cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

A 13900k and 4090 would have a bottleneck somewhere

[dull flint]

Bottlenecks are resolution dependent

Game dependent

Load dependent, scene dependent etc

But yes I wouldn't really go above a 6900XT/3090 at 1440p, 3060Ti/6700 for 1080p

[burnt spear]

4090 makes sense for 1440p 240hz if you're playing that competitively

[dull flint]

On a 5600?

I feel like you'll hit a cpu bottleneck pretty easily

[burnt spear]

Oh yeah

Forgot that's what the convo was about lol

[dull flint]

Lol

All g

[compact zenith]

When I buy my Z790, all components are definitely coming from Newegg. Amazon towards holidays, use preorders and even other people's funds to stock up for the holidays. Something Newegg doesn't do thankfully. Took the risk with 3 p41s at $169, with external drive cases and magnetic filters. Order said signature required, yet driver just left envelope on steps. All 3 drives were inside, but rest wasn't there. Online the invoice updated to showing all the other items on a new invoice, not even shipped, and both system and rep said I had to wait 48 hours to cancel, and 2 to 3 weeks for refund as they need to wait for the other items to make it back to their warehouse. Um, they didn't ship, and this actually happens every Xmas holiday. Only good thing, I used an outsourced creditator, so my funds and normal cards not tied up. Anyways, going to order what they messed up off Newegg instead, and the parts for the Z790, since my wife wants my Z690 lol. Funny, she waits till I build my kids new systems and mine and says no for herself, yet once done, I always end up building that 4th. I blame Ravel for getting me interested in the Z790 and 13th gen I 9 lol.

Brb, time to shop.

[dull flint]

Why are you buying z790?

It'll serve you no purpose other than a couple more usb slots

Lol

[compact zenith]

Because my wife is taking my Z690 I just built myself?

[dull flint]

Ok, I still would go with a z690 with bios flash or qflash instead

Z790 is an unnecessary premium

For literally extra usb slots

[compact zenith]

I wanted to know if the Z790 has the same issue as the Z690 where you need to use only two ram slots, instead of all 4.

[dull flint]

Rather you don't want to be using gigabyte if you're doing that

If you're considering 128gb again then it's still gonna be painful

64gb? It works, it's better

[compact zenith]

So I'm better off using a Z690 with 13th gen I9?

[dull flint]

Pretty much

If you want 128gb I strongly suggest ddr4

[burnt spear]

Welll

There's a slight possibility that z790s will run high speed ddr5 better. But that isn't confirmed

And by high speed I mean upwards of 7000mhz

[dull flint]

It's here nor there really, 64gb I believe works with 4 sticks, but still not as good as 2 sticks

But 128 I've heard still has issues

[burnt spear]

^

[dull flint]

It's a lot of ram after all

Z790 shines best when you are using 2dpc but 1 rank each

Or 1 stick per channel

[compact zenith]

64gb ram is definite. 32gb isn't enough.

[dull flint]

That's really where it's better

Ya but you've wanted 128 before hence me suggesting ddr4 lol

High density ram isn't going to keep up with the high end speeds since it's training harder numbers

So you take the perf hit anyway

Let alone this being air cooled

[compact zenith]

Speed is important to me. Got spoiled as it is with the Z690 I9 and NVME. Being at windows login upon power up, have not seen that ever with any past system. I get the feeling, going with a DDR4, will be slower?

[dull flint]

Like, a couple % less for a lot less money

Again, let alone this being air cooled

You'd likely gain more perf going to an aio even tho I know you won't lol

[compact zenith]

I'm still looking up coolers, and trying to find out what the heck that part I posted came from.

[dull flint]

AK620 is really the only moderately decent choice

[amber canopy]

[burnt spear]

13900k needs an aio

360mm

[compact zenith]

Ak sounds like a AMD CPU

[dull flint]

I know but he won't do water

Deepcool AK620

[burnt spear]

You do not want a 13900k on air

My 13600k gets close to throttling with a good 280mm aio

[dull flint]

But we've been over this already and he won't change

[burnt spear]

Then he should get a 13700k

That cpu will throttle hard

[compact zenith]

If I posted a link to the song Believe it or not, I feel I might be banned 😂

[dull flint]

What he should actually do is a 13900K power limited to 90W

[burnt spear]

Do what you want, it's your pc. But you'll regret it

[dull flint]

Then you have a 12900K

And it'll do air at that point

But yeah, full perf 13900K, absolutely needs water

AK620 will at least land near stock settings

[burnt spear]

Even 13600k on air in workstation loads would get very close to throttling

[dull flint]

Indeed

[burnt spear]

I haven't even ran p95, I got 82c in r23 multi core

[compact zenith]

I'm trying to find a cooler that's not water, that doesn't just say ready. I struck out trying to find the bracket mounting kits for several, that only seem to ship from over seas.

[burnt spear]

Wait, there's that one super insane tower cooler

Like $120

If not more

It's as good as a 280mm aio iirc

Either $120 or $170

[dull flint]

There's a new one?

[burnt spear]

It's not new, well not super new

I saw it like 9 months ago or so

Let me see if I can find it

[dull flint]

Do you mean the splave one

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Py6p99/icegiant-prosiphon-elite-cpu-cooler-prosiphon-elite

[dull flint]

Have they released the lga1700 one yet?

[burnt spear]

Only air solution to a 13900k

[compact zenith]

I was steered clear of coolmaster, one of the few that actually had a LGA 1700 mounting kit.

[dull flint]

That one could do stock 13900K if it's the lga1700 one

But also pretty silly considering you could get 2 arctics for that price

And not have case issues

[compact zenith]

That's $128 now.

[burnt spear]

If you want an air cooler, that one above with an lga 1700 mounting bracket (if it exists) is your only answer

[dull flint]

If it's even the lga1700 one

[burnt spear]

It doesnt come with one

[dull flint]

There's two versions

[burnt spear]

You'd have to look to see if there's a bracket for it

Ah

[dull flint]

One has a huge coldplate for threadripper

The other a small copper for lga1700

[burnt spear]

There's a bracket for it separately

[compact zenith]

I don't think that one will fit me case. It would either hit my Corsair Dominator ram, or the top of Case if turned other way. I'm willing to try a liquid cooler, long as it's not water.

[burnt spear]

Pretty sure no aios use water

[dull flint]

Wha-

[burnt spear]

Lf2 280 might do the job, but id go 360

[dull flint]

Arctic LF2 360 would be great

$60 on arctic's official b stock ebay

Or somewhere around that

[boreal pewter]

So is a noctua air cooler not gonna keep the 13600k at a reasonable temp? I really prefer using the aftermarket air coolers

Honestly, I will prob be going back to 1080 @ 240hz with a 3070. I highly doubt I'll be using a big portion of the cpu utilization. maybe 77% ish?

[dull flint]

NH-D15 might do it

Or the good variant of it (too many revisions for me to learn which is the best)

It's just easier and also often cheaper to go water on these high end chips

240 not enough

@compact zenith

[compact zenith]

Going to cooler channel, just realized im talking in wrong one.

And saw what you said Felix.

[burnt spear]

D15 would atleast keep it from throttling

[boreal pewter]

@dull flint I also believe that most people don't cap their frames inside of nvidia control panel to their panel hz and therefore use alot of uneccesary utilization in their system

[dull flint]

Utility aside

[boreal pewter]

That's one of the best ways to reduce heat in your system

[dull flint]

If you buy a what, 6p 8e chip you want the power it brings yes?

Use an appropriate cooler

Maybe not now but down the line you'll want a better cooler if you choose air rn

[boreal pewter]

Sure, but running your system uncapped really doesn't accomplish anything above and beyond your panel hz

[dull flint]

Think in 5 years when you switch to a 6060 or something

[burnt spear]

Ehhh

[dull flint]

And you want to fully use the gpu

[burnt spear]

Fps and hz are not exactly the same

120 fps on 60 hz does look better than 60 on 60

Same vice versa

Because the first one is more consistent

The second one refreshes the image faster, so it does still update faster

Since they don't always overlap perfectly

Really no point in leaving fps uncapped if you're already getting 165 or so though

Past that it's just diminishing returns

[boreal pewter]

@burnt spear I think your example only works in the 60 hz situation. I would agrue that there is no difference in 144 hz/180 hz on a 144hz panel

[burnt spear]

Hm?

60 fps on 144 hz looks better than 60 on 60 too

[boreal pewter]

I'm sure you're right, but we're talking about running your system capped vs uncapped and the effect that it has on system heat

[burnt spear]

Mm, I'm just saying it's not always worth it to cap your fps at your systems refresh rate

I do cap most of my games at 165

[dull flint]

There's a minor difference, frame times can be a bit more consistent

[burnt spear]

But the difference between 60 and 120 fps is noticeable regardless of refresh rate

[sharp tiger]

does g-sync automatically cap your fps?

[burnt spear]

V sync does

[dull flint]

It's definitely noticeable if say you did 240fps on 120hz

[burnt spear]

G sync is something else I think

I'm too tired right now lmao

[sharp tiger]

cuz my game automatically cap at 240

[dull flint]

Your frame times would be extremely consistent

[sharp tiger]

i didnt do anything

[burnt spear]

It's 5:20 here and I have 17 hours of flying ahead of me

Hoping to be able to sleep on the plane

[livid sparrow]

G-sync is basically hardware V-sync except it matches monitor refresh rate to fps rather than limit framerate to eliminate tearing

V-sync will cap framerate, g-sync won't. Though some games come with fps caps regardless of v-sync being on

[boreal pewter]

It is important noting that capping your frames inside the nvidia control panel and capping your frames "ingame" are very different in terms of utilization

[arctic tide]

what’s the best used mobo i can get for an amd 5600 under maybe $110?

[hard leaf]

any b450 on your local used market should do

[arctic tide]

i see that i can get a crosshair VI hero for around 110, is that good?

looks like it’s 5000 ready

[hard leaf]

yes is good

[arctic tide]

awesome

[hard leaf]

still try to get a b450

if not the her vi is good

bit old but good

[arctic tide]

is there any major difference between chipsets?

[hard leaf]

more pcie lanes is the major difference

[arctic tide]

oh that shouldn’t be an issue

i’m probably just gonna have a 2060 and a single m.2 ssd

wait also on newegg the 5600 says backordered, if i place the order at that price will it get placed when it comes back in stock

[hard leaf]

yes

you will be charged at the price of the moment you backorder

[arctic tide]

oh awesome

and is their estimated date somewhat right?

[hard leaf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe january

[arctic tide]

augh

hoping that wasn’t the case

i guess i’ll get it

they’re sold out everywhere ;(

[hard leaf]

and the date for the restock everywhere seems to be the same: january

cant blame em, was a hot deal on black friday

early bird got the worm

[arctic tide]

for real

118 was insane on amazon

i hadn’t decided that i wanted a cpu yet when the deal dropped 🥲

[hard leaf]

thats why you need to decide some days in advance to black friday

[arctic tide]

i thought cyber monday would work out too i guess

[hard leaf]

to not lose a deal cause hesitation

na, cyber monday deals are just the leftovers from bfriday

[arctic tide]

hmm wait an alternative seller on newegg is selling for 140

not much of a discount but at least there’s a sooner delivery

[hard leaf]

just check the seller reviews and sales

to not fall into a scam

any third party seller must be thoroughly checked, just so you know

i have no experience with third party sellers tho, maybe someone else can give you advice on that. I prefer to buy directly from egg

[worn bramble]

yo

whats the best cpu i can get for gaming for under $150

i was thinking between the 5600 and the 5600g but is there something better for that price?

[hollow knot]

Get 5600

[worn bramble]

whats the benefit

does cache actually matter more than hz

[hollow knot]

G comes with intregated graphics if u already got gpu no point for that

[worn bramble]

ty 🙂

[burnt spear]

The 5600g is a good bit worse

It's a 5500 with an igpu

[weak jackal]

I am swapping out my mother board (isnt working properly) and my cpu. is there anything i need to do before swapping my motherboard and cpu or ccan i jsut straight up swap them out?

[burnt spear]

I'd turn psu off ofcourse, aside from that reinstall windows after

[arctic tide]

WHAT gamestop sells cpus??

and it looks like its the only one in stock at that price

is it a bad idea to buy from gamestop? idk anything about their service for pc parts

and ive got a gift card so that doesnt hurt lol

[cursive epoch]

that price isn't great

there's cheaper

[cerulean wadi]

5600 was $100 a few weeks back.

[obtuse forge]

anyone know that does x99 support xeon 26xx-v3 and v4 or just v3 only?

[amber canopy]

Which board are you using

Or did you want to know in general

[obtuse forge]

planning to buy a e5 2699v4

[obtuse forge]

i just want to know that if x99 support v4 cpus

[amber canopy]

Yea X99 boards do almost 100% of the time support v4 xeons. Just make sure it has a bios new enough to support those broadwell-e chips

[obtuse forge]

how about dual x99

[amber canopy]

Also why a 2699V4? Those are still really overpriced. I'd just get a 2699V3 for now

Chinese board?

[obtuse forge]

im looking at it

[obtuse forge]

ye or a work station board

[amber canopy]

I would pass on those chinese boards, they're not reliable in a lot of ways and kinda suck to use in general. Get a dual socket supermicro board

They're still around $200+ though so idk if it's worth it to you. I assume you're in the US?

[obtuse forge]

in US yes

[amber canopy]

What do you want the LGA2011-3 socket specifically for though

The price of putting together a dual socket 2011-3 system especially with 2699V4 is not worth the price

id just go zen3 or 4 or something tbh

[obtuse forge]

Building it for fun

[amber canopy]

oh in that case i totally understand then lol

You should put that dual socket board in a giant case like a 900D lol

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195336763004

[obtuse forge]

Oh hell na I might stick to single cpu since I don’t have two much space on my desk anymore

[amber canopy]

in that case, good single socket x99 motherboards can be had for very cheap

well, for a very good deal, not necessarily very cheap

[obtuse forge]

Any recommendations

Btw are these boards using ecc or just normal ddr4

[amber canopy]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185666096354

Some of them support ECC registered memory, some do not. I dont remember off the top of my head which

But yea, if I were you, I'd get a 2699V3. the V4 2699 is just not worth it lol

The 6950X is also a lot of fun, though 8 less cores, it's unlocked

That particular X99 board's VRMs probably wont appreciate overclocking a 6950X very much though lol

[obtuse forge]

thx

[obtuse forge]

5ghz overclock?

[amber canopy]

depends on the cooling

and on the UD4P, probably not

[obtuse forge]

i saw one of dawid does tech stuff video where he overclocked the i7 5960x to 4.6 ghz idk about this one

[amber canopy]

that chip has 2 less cores as well

[obtuse forge]

i think i gonna go for the 2669 v3 because i like to count the boxes in taskmannager

[amber canopy]

🗿

alright lol

[obtuse forge]

also i can host some server on it

[obtuse forge]

so this board use standard ddr4 right?

[amber canopy]

yes

[obtuse forge]

eatx

🗿

[amber canopy]

its not eatx

[obtuse forge]

?

[amber canopy]

its not eatx

[obtuse forge]

oh ok

i guess ill buy a matx case now

[amber canopy]

eatx isnt really a standard anyway

that wont fit in a matx case lol

[obtuse forge]

i can just put my current sustem in there and put this one in the current case

cuz i have a matx mobo

[amber canopy]

im not sure what you're asking

[obtuse forge]

so i have a matx mobo in my atx case right now

so i gonna get a new one and move all the stuff out

and put the x99 in to my current system

[amber canopy]

well sure why not

[arctic tide]

DAMN really? you think ittl go back to that price anytime soon

[cursive epoch]

likely not

[arctic tide]

do you think its a good idea to get the gamestop one for 140 then?

[cursive epoch]

ye

[livid sparrow]

Hmm, anybody know about this stuff? https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-32gb/p/N82E16820226992

[grizzled bloom]

Mushkin is usually pretty basic but still decent enough. That might even be a rev.e kit.

[amber canopy]

how dare you call mushkin basic

smh.

[grizzled bloom]

That's DDR3 tho, every gen the rules change drastically

Just look at the sticks he linked lol

[amber canopy]

i was making a joke

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah and I was ruining it

[amber canopy]

bozo moment

[eternal helm]

Get absolutely clowned on bozo

[arctic tide]

what should i get, crosshair vi or rog strix b550?

im finding them for the same price on ebay

[long geyser]

Both are typically quite overpriced. If your required featuresets are standard then just get a different mobo that is far cheaper.

[lyric turret]

but i wasnt having any stablioty issues til i checked mark temp dependent vmin but ir einstalled my gpu drivers and everything

[thick jolt]

okay, x570s msi ace max or x570s arous master
the master is over $100 cheaper

i currently have a x470 taichi with a 5950x, but need more IO and pcie4

opinions plz

[dull flint]

What are you using the pc for?

[thick jolt]

everything, gaming, production, vr. i just want the best quality

[bronze summit]

Remember to plug your cpu cable in right

[bronze summit]

@grizzled bloom are these mobo screws or these

One has outline other doesn't

I would look at manual but I've seem to have lost it in a spand of 1 hour

Found it

It says first ones are good

[heady sparrow]

If anyone can help me out here just bought a new cpu and it's been running fine no Thermal throttling nothing like that but out of the blue it barely runs any games and if it does they run at 3 for because task manager says that it's using 99% of it power I'm running the same gamed that used to work but now they aren't btw the cpu is a ryzen 5 graphics

[grizzled bloom]

What exact CPU, GPU, and memory? Ryzen 5 describes about 2 dozen processor

[unkempt cipher]

https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07D1XCKWW/ref=sr_1_2?crid=A4KV7BKS74MS&keywords=corsair%2Bram&qid=1669783806&sprefix=corsairr%2Caps%2C458&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc&th=1 Thinking about adding some more RAM would these be pretty solid?

Currently i have these installed https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TB3R9JB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[livid sparrow]

If you are willing to just replace it all with a different brand with rgb, you can get 32gb of OLOy 3600CL18 for $77 on Wegg. The 3200CL16 and 3600CL18 are pretty much average speed & latency, though I question why you want to get 3200CL16 in that Corsair stuff when the stuff you already have is a dollar cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

In order to have the best chance that new and old sticks are compatible I'd highly recommend either buying the exact same timings as your current ones or selling your current and buying a new/used 32GB kit.
If you like the look of Corsair and absolutely must have it I'd recommend this. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082DJ19CK
Personally I find Corsair to be, uh, hard to work with, and expensive. Personal recommendation: https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331514

[amber canopy]

[long geyser]

Best chance that new and old sticks are compatible I'd highly recommend either buying the exact same timings as your current ones
Corsair screwing with different ICs on the same exact model kinda does make that hard. One would only get like a +0.1% better chance of it working properly instead of 1.5% chance (example numbers, but still worth noting that in most cases different ICs and PCBs dont mess with compatibility too much)

[grizzled bloom]

Fair point they do kinda just dump the trash bin into those low spec kits

And I've got a couple kits of memory that just WON'T cooperate no matter what I do. They're both Samsung dies, C die and B die. Refuses to POST after clearing CMOS.

[limpid tundra]

So I just switched my 1600AF with a 5600 (non-x) recently. I had did the bios update (ASRock B450M Pro4) on my old cpu before switching. Is it common for it to keep going black on the screen sometimes when entering a game since the cpu wasn't used previously on games I used to play?

[arctic tide]

is a b550 aorus pro ac worth it for 110 bucks?

used

[cursive epoch]

ok enough

[grizzled bloom]

Update your chipset drivers

[limpid tundra]

That seemed to help, thanks

[dull violet]

@elder orchid 🤓

[cyan raft]

I’m looking for a solid 32Gb kit of ram to go with a 10700k for roughly $150ish

Anyone got suggestions?

hmm Corsair be looking nice

[hard leaf]

you can get 32gb of ddr4 for like 60-90usd

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092ZCVHS8?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

ddr4 is pretty cheap these days

like nvmes

[bronze summit]

@grizzled bloom so cpu likes 5.100ghz at this pace

150W

[sudden creek]

I heard about a "Instant 6ghz" feature on Gigabyte boards for 13th gen, what is this about? Wondering because all goes well I am gonna buy my 13900k and board in about a month.

[dull flint]

Sounds like a gimmick ngl

You might end up with a cpu that only works at stock settings and no higher

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[orchid mantle]

Besides the QVL on MSI's website how else can I safely verify that their MSI B650 Tomahawk wifi is compatible with the Corsair Vengeance 2x32GB DDR5 CMK64GX5M2B5200C40?

[sudden creek]

I need to go, but any motherboards you'd recommend for the I9-13900K? I don't need Gen 5 SSDs but I do need at least 4 M.2 slots and preferably DDR5 and aesthetics to match my Fractal torrent case.

I will read the msg tomorrow once I am back, so please ping if you reply. Thanks in advance. I am currently looking at the MSI Z690 Carbon board.

[orchid mantle]

@sudden creek I recently was looking for an AM5 board and a friend mentioned paying a bit more attention to the PCIe lanes and the IOMMU in case I want to do multiseat or virtualization. Oh, and you might want to double check the QVL on the manufacturer's website to check that the ram you're getting (or have) is compatible. Getting one with wifi and the better audio codec might be worth it to you too.

[grizzled bloom]

Are you talking about B650 or B660? Either way DDR5 is new enough that there's only a few possible memory dies. If there's kits with the same specs on the QVL then it'll very likely work.
That's also a pretty low spec kit so it'll probably work anyway.

[dull flint]

Pro Z690-A ddr5 would be a good idea. You want one with a bios flash button if choosing* z690-a

[orchid mantle]

Oops, thank you, typo fixed, B650. Yeah, I was just going for more Memory since I don't want to run out for particular tasks. It's less important that it's fast, as far as I can tell right now. It also looks like there are issues with going to 64GB on AM5 right now. Level1Techs posted a video about that today.

[grizzled bloom]

I see a similar 64GB (2x32) kit of memory rated for 5600c40 in the QVL. Same model, different speed. So that 5200 kit should work.

[orchid mantle]

Thanks, yeah, I saw the "CMK64GX5M2B5600C40 ver5.43.13" and thought that might be close enough. Since the QVL isn't definitive people say it should work. But, it'd be nice to be a bit more certain.

[grizzled bloom]

The QVL is far from a comprehensive list, it's just a list of what they've tested. So yeah I'd say except for the chance of Corsair doing Corsair things it'll work.

[dull flint]

Afaik 4x rank ddr5 is just as painful on AM5 as it is on 600 series boards for intel

Just a heads up

If you're looking at 2x32 it's fine

[grizzled bloom]

It's 2x32 yeah

[dull flint]

Ok no problem then

Just won't be an amazing speed beyond 5600

[weak jackal]

So I js built my pc and for some reason it’s js cycling mobo lights and when I try to turn it off it just turns back on right away

[grizzled bloom]

It's only rated at 5200 so 🤷‍♂️

[dull flint]

Ye so if micron like, 5400 at best

Any other ic 5600 and beyond

Matters if you consider pushing the limits with oc but otherwise meh

[grizzled bloom]

When you get the sticks if the version number on them is ver5.43.13 that's hynix M

[dull flint]

Oh they're learning the IC ver numbers now?

Neat

Remember those version numbers can also be incorrect lol

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah it's straight off the QVL for that one

So salt and grains apply

[dull flint]

It's less likely as the first number implies supplier

But ye

When we have more ic's it'd be cause for more concern

[orchid mantle]

Thanks for the heads up.

[orchid mantle]

Yeah, I don't plan to oc at all, I'm more likely to underclock to save energy.

[grizzled bloom]

Memory doesn't use enough power for that to be a concern

[dull flint]

Well, on RAM even a voltage bump is like, 2-3W more at most

Over like, 5W? Lol

Basically nothing long run, if you're considering all this btw I reckon you'd get more out of power capping a good 13th system on ddr4 for the same price

[orchid mantle]

Just got them today, it's ver3.43.01

[amber canopy]

it really depends on the dimms themselves, just like with any cpu

[dull flint]

My hynix M's go up to 8W hence that but you're probably right

[grizzled bloom]

Micron

[dull flint]

I'm sure ddr3 uses more

[hard leaf]

underclocking ram? wut?

[amber canopy]

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/what-confused-persian-room-cat-guardian-gif-11044457

[dull flint]

Oh yeah 3 is micron

[orchid mantle]

I meant underclocking the CPU

[dull flint]

My b

Rip

[amber canopy]

undervolt > underclock

[hard leaf]

yeah underclock is like... no

[grizzled bloom]

TPU says

[hard leaf]

undervolting is the thing

[dull flint]

No you're right fal

4 is samsung, 3 is micron

[orchid mantle]

What's power capping?

[dull flint]

Those are micron A

[hard leaf]

limiting the cpu consumption

thats capping

[dull flint]

If you run a 13900K on 80W power cap it's basically a better 12900K

[hard leaf]

a more efficient in fact

[dull flint]

If you tailor your system build a bit better then power cap you'll have much better efficiency than zen 4

[hard leaf]

but virtually the same performance

[dull flint]

Where's that video hold on

[hard leaf]

in your imagination lad

[dull flint]

https://youtu.be/H4Bm0Wr6OEQ

@orchid mantle have a watch of this

[orchid mantle]

Interesting find, I read this, but I'm not following.

[hard leaf]

you can limit the power on the 13900k

so it will eat 80w

[dull flint]

Fal has identified the chips your ram has

[hard leaf]

and it will perform as a 12900k full wattage

[dull flint]

I'm even more confusing

[hard leaf]

yeah i identified them long before your conversation began

but i was mean to you guys

and lock the info for myself muahahahaha

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

[bronze summit]

@dull flint so um

you have time to talk

[dull flint]

The infection is still alive

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[hard leaf]

kill it with fire and throw him to the river

[bronze summit]

my audio killed itself

[dull flint]

Well look what happened

I told you to use xmp

[bronze summit]

i am

ish

[dull flint]

Lol

You know what to do

Turn on xmp completely

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-reload-gun-gif-19444267

[bronze summit]

everything is xmp expect mhz

[hard leaf]

im pretty sure he tried to oc manually with the help of rommy

[dull flint]

Fix your mhz to xmp

[hard leaf]

and eff the system totally

😛

[bronze summit]

but then i cant do G1

[dull flint]

3200 or die

[bronze summit]

ew

3200 ahhhhhh

[dull flint]

Well, your windows will die then

[hard leaf]

then live with the errors 😛

[dull flint]

[bronze summit]

brb

[orchid mantle]

So MSI said "The answer is its not compatible and you are right that the CMK64GX5M2B5600C40 is the only one indicated that is compatible."

[dull flint]

What board is this?

[bronze summit]

My is my ram bad

[dull flint]

Randompast

[dull flint]

No

Just stop toying with it

[bronze summit]

I told you I am not

[dull flint]

Changing the mhz is toying

[orchid mantle]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-b650-tomahawk-wifi/p/N82E16813144557?Item=N82E16813144557 with https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820236839?Item=N82E16820236839

[bronze summit]

All I'm doing is going into bios and switch the gear to G1 instead of auto

[dull flint]

I meant which mobo

[dull flint]

Put the mhz to 3200

[orchid mantle]

MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk wifi

[bronze summit]

But why doesn't 3500 work it worked fine on my last processor plus this processor is better

[hard leaf]

e_e

[dull flint]

They're compatible

[hard leaf]

this will be interesting

[dull flint]

QvL is like, halfway a bunch of nonsense

Don't stress over it

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-popcorn-gif-22679950

[dull flint]

This is why, and I will say it for the 30th time, I never recommend 3600 for intel chips unless people know what they're doing

3500 is just tangent of that and it's proving not to work for you

[bronze summit]

Bruh computer got 3700 on his pletium

[dull flint]

So stop using that frequency and turn it down

[bronze summit]

[dull flint]

Yeah? He knows better about ram than even I do

[bronze summit]

No I'm pretty sure he just asked sips

[dull flint]

No he did a lot of that OC himself

[bronze summit]

Hm

[hard leaf]

you are wasting time felix, kenzie will not lower the ram

[bronze summit]

I already did

Suxk it

[dull flint]

To 3200

[hard leaf]

😛

[dull flint]

?

[bronze summit]

Yes

[dull flint]

Good

Come back to me if you still have problems later

3200 g1 should be fine

[bronze summit]

@dull flint but I just don't think my cpu likes my ram bc when I turn it on I get this error too

[orchid mantle]

What makes you convinced? MSI went on to say "What I can say is that our engineers tried all of the compatible memory. However, they encountered some issues on the CMK64GX5M2B5200C40 that is the reason why its not indicated there."

[hard leaf]

its odd anyway, that a 13600k could not run 3600 at g1

[bronze summit]

Even xmp

[dull flint]

There are 4 different ram chips used in ddr5 to date. You are using one of the earliest revisions and only version of micron. It will work

[bronze summit]

It's just black screen

[dull flint]

If you read that qvl and see micron anywhere @orchid mantle you have my word it will work

[bronze summit]

@hard leaf idk I turned on xmp and I got ssme error as my leds go off and on these 2 things which are cpu and dram and only way I got xmp to work is if I shut pc off and turn back on

[dull flint]

There's 4 ddr5 chips, micron A, Samsung 16gbit B, hynix 16gb M, hynix 16gbit agbd

Corsair will be using one of those 4

Fal found yours is micron

So it's micron A

[orchid mantle]

That's exactly what I was about to ask about. Thank you for being thorough.

[dull flint]

All good

But yeah qvl is nonsense

It's like how people game on specifically gold or platinum power supplies being good quality

When quality has very little to do with gold or platinum

It's an efficiency measurement, not a quality or feature set measurement

[orchid mantle]

Exactly, the thing to do is apparently just look at the cultist list as a consumer.

[dull flint]

Some boards will train through the ram at least 3 times before posting normally

So it's fine

[bronze summit]

So how long I wait

[dull flint]

Idk

How many times is it doing it

[orchid mantle]

I was trying to determine if this tomahawk was x16/x4 as https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B650-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/Specification says or x16/x2 as the manual and newegg say...

[bronze summit]

It's just flashing

[dull flint]

I'm aware

How many times

[dull flint]

What do you need more slots for?

What is this pc being intended for?

[bronze summit]

Just flashing

[orchid mantle]

Was going to play around with multiseat a tad, so maybe an extra GPU.

[dull flint]

Is this really what it's doing at 3200

[bronze summit]

Yea and xmp does same thing only fix it shutting it off and yurning back on

[dull flint]

That's not a fix

[bronze summit]

Welp

[dull flint]

This is the board trying to train to work

Ram might actually be bad

[bronze summit]

Bruh

It worked before

[dull flint]

You can share a gpu

[bronze summit]

How ram gunna do this to me

[dull flint]

Try cmos kenzie

[orchid mantle]

The guides I saw were recommending to use multiple GPUs because it was easier to configure also apparently because of a vulnerability in the VRAM?

[dull flint]

What cpu are you planning to use?

[orchid mantle]

But, hearing that it can share 1 GPU, maybe I'll try to do that first.

[bronze summit]

Okay

[orchid mantle]

I mostly need compute, so I went with the 7950x.

[dull flint]

Have you already bought it?

[orchid mantle]

Yes

[dull flint]

Oof okay

Can you return it without a restock?

[orchid mantle]

Yes, why, what's up?

[dull flint]

Well if you go 13900K instead with ddr4 you can get the compute performance and get the board and ram for cheaper

Then use x8 lanes on slots 1 and 2

Instead of x16 and x4

So it'll run multi gpu much better

[bronze summit]

@dull flint so about the pins do I just touch them

[dull flint]

13900K as I suggested before with the video I linked you can run at 80W and it's got the power of a 12900K for very low wattage

[orchid mantle]

That's a better build.

I'm going to watch that now.

[dull flint]

Ye go for it

[dull flint]

Turn power off

[bronze summit]

Okay

Unplug

[dull flint]

Then touch them together with a screwdriver

Sure

Then when it's back on, just turn on xmp and leave it, don't tinker, don't change anything to run gear 1 or whatever, just auto

Xmp and auto

Please

[bronze summit]

Okay

[dull flint]

Xmp and auto

[bronze summit]

How long I touch for

[dull flint]

If you still have errors, then the source of months of problems is bad ram that needs rma

10 seconds

[dull flint]

Note this

[bronze summit]

Sad

[dull flint]

Well a lifetime warranty isn't really sad

So you're covered

[bronze summit]

But I gotta wait for then to ship back

[dull flint]

Yup

Well look at me, my screen has been gone for a month

Still waiting

I'm still enjoying life lol

[bronze summit]

I hate waiting

I'm gunna be bored

[dull flint]

It is what it is

You can try ram slots a1 and b1

But if they're buggered then they're buggered

[bronze summit]

This is all it does

[dull flint]

Lol.

Try ram slots a1 and b1

[bronze summit]

But if I turn off pc and turn it back on it runs xmp thrj

[dull flint]

Turn it off then swap the ram over

To the other two slots

[bronze summit]

Yea hut isn't ram supposed to go in 2 slots

[dull flint]

Yes?

The other two slots

[bronze summit]

No

[dull flint]

Make sure it clicks in on the top and bottom

Why no

[bronze summit]

I mean the 2nd and 4th

[dull flint]

Do 1st and 3rd

[bronze summit]

Yea but isn't ram supposed to be in 2nd and 4th

[dull flint]

Yes, but that doesn't mean 1st and 3rd doesn't work

[orchid mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sDDA_2USwg&ab_channel=ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Similar video... The performance seems close enough that it's not worth the hassle. Mostly the gains were in FPS/w which I'm not sure will effect me since I'm not a gamer.

[dull flint]

I'm familiar with that video

[orchid mantle]

I liked the power curve in the video you shared, I hadn't seen that exact one before, thanks for sharing. I'd like to see more of those curves.

[dull flint]

I just don't see the 7950x really worth it but anyway

For multi gpu you want x670

[orchid mantle]

Yeah, I was looking at the proart boards

[dull flint]

I would go like, the cheapest x670 you can find

All x670 are overbuilt

All of them, they all work

[bronze summit]

My 2nd and 4th even are metal

[dull flint]

By spec they're all like 2x-3x more than they should be built for

[dull flint]

Just do it lol

[bronze summit]

Okay okay

[orchid mantle]

Ohhhh, so you're saying even if it doesn't say so on the spec there's extra information that I'm not getting by not understanding the (X|B)6(5|7)0(E|) boards better?

[dull flint]

X670 as far as I'm aware has dual chip issues for running properly but has an extra io chip for more pcie lanes to be used

So in a perfect world x670(e) is likely the way to go for virtualisation

[orchid mantle]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-x670-p/p/N82E16813119590?Item=N82E16813119590&quicklink=true "1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slot (supports x16 mode) --- 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slots (support x4 mode)" So, I guess it'd be better but still looks a lot like x16/x4 to me

[dull flint]

Ehhh they still only support x4??

[orchid mantle]

I was looking for IOMMU details but I don't know anything about it and apparently it's not easy information to find.

[dull flint]

Hold on lemme go look

[orchid mantle]

Most don't until x8/x8 at the proart boards

https://www.newegg.com/asus-proart-b650-creator/p/N82E16813119615?Item=N82E16813119615&quicklink=true has "2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slots (support x16 or x8/x8 modes)"

That's, as you'll see, another b650 board

The X is mostly about gen 5.0, from what I could tell

[dull flint]

Oh interesting

It has 3 slots

But 3 at x4

[orchid mantle]

I think it'd be x16/x4/x4

[dull flint]

You could run turbo cards on those

[bronze summit]

@dull flint

[dull flint]

Yeahh

[dull flint]

Yes

[orchid mantle]

But, also if I can just share a GPU with multiseat and it's not too much of a hassle, I'll probably just aim to do that.

[bronze summit]

I say the cpu is broken

[hard leaf]

weird that the 13600k cant make a 3600 g1

[bronze summit]

No this is XMP

[dull flint]

Rma your ram

[hard leaf]

like you got the worst binned 13600

or a bad ram

[dull flint]

Kenzie didn't

Xmp should just work

It should default gear 2 if it struggles

Not a train loop

[hard leaf]

hmmm true

ram is bad

[bronze summit]

Yea it worked on my 12100f

[dull flint]

Yeah b650 after looking would be worth it

[bronze summit]

But not this cpu

[dull flint]

Cheapest x670e with a x8 2nd slot is msi carbon at 480

Wth amd

Now even x670(e) makes no sense worse than ever

Minimum spec is x4 second slot

[dull flint]

Rma the ram

It's not the board

[bronze summit]

My 12100F ran 3500 CL16 G1 fine I put new cpu is and it broke

[dull flint]

Or take the cpu back if you're convinced

Either way one of those two are buggered

[dull flint]

I mean you say that but you've still had issues

Like the whole graphics driver stuff

[bronze summit]

That was gpu with optional drivers installed

[dull flint]

You still had weird stuff happening that ddu wouldn't fix

[bronze summit]

No

You said to reset via amd settings

That didn't work so I ddu

It fixed

[dull flint]

You ddu'd like 3 times

Haha

So I guess the 3rd time you did safe mode then

And then hooray, low and behold

[orchid mantle]

Yeah, this is definitely better, thanks for sharing and for the tips.

[bronze summit]

No just 1

[dull flint]

I definitely just found at least 3 maybe even 4 or more ddu attempts

[bronze summit]

I might have 👀 lied

Idk some times I just do it so person stop yelling at me

But I did ddu and when back to recommend they worked

[dull flint]

If the ram was still the problem tho then even fixing the gpu drivers doesn't mean the source wasn't fixed

Bad ram can def screw up gpu drivers

You could take the cpu back and swap it, tell them you can't even run the ram at 3200 or xmp at 3600

And that you could on your 12100f

It's rare that a cpu has problems tho

[amber canopy]

my ddr3 can do 3600

[dull flint]

I'm more leaning towards the ram being slightly faulty

[dull flint]

Show

[amber canopy]

i havent done it yet

but it likely can

just need to get @vital goblet 's VI Impact virst

first

[grizzled bloom]

This is possible and someone on the Wegg team already has done this even, WR is 4620MT/s https://hwbot.org/submission/5048564_davegreen_memory_frequency_ddr3_sdram_1872.2_mhz

[amber canopy]

@jagged monolith

that was during the asus meet in july right? lol

[jagged monolith]

yeah

[amber canopy]

lol i was watching that stream in the vc i think

[jagged monolith]

amd record is 1952mhz

i want to beat it eventually, but i need to bin more chips

[amber canopy]

i've been putting off running my MFR on ivy-e for some reason

probably because there's not much of a point considering i'd just be going for freq valid and i'll be getting into haswell anyway

would be cool to have the fastest mem on x79 though. i do plan to get the fastest cpu freq on x79 sometime as well

https://valid.x86.fr/y941xb fastest mem on x79

[grizzled bloom]

Not going to try with X99?

Just X79?

[amber canopy]

X99 uses DDR4

mem oc on x99 is god awful

can actually get faster memory on X79 with its ddr3 than X99

[bronze summit]

I'm just saying ram worked on older cpu

Even xmp worked

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ddr3-ddr4-x99-motherboard-intel,40252.html

[amber canopy]

yes but none of the lga2011-3 CPUs with ddr3 IMCs are unlocked so it's kinda redundant to mention

[eternal helm]

bet that has great support

[amber canopy]

I owned that board before

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm ok then you'd know better than me lol

[amber canopy]

its a fun board ngl

[eternal helm]

x570 is probs jealous rn

its only got one fan

[dull flint]

He has a server with stickers of these boards

He knows his stuff

(not relevant but funny to mention)

[bronze summit]

@dull flint what happens if I run no XMP

[grizzled bloom]

You'd get lower 1% frame rates and possible stuttering

[dull flint]

You may as well run green sticks

And that'll def be slower

Just, rma please

[bronze summit]

Bruh

[dull flint]

For your own sake

[bronze summit]

Anywho I have to rma my mobo

I got accepted

I gotta send that to gigabyte

[dull flint]

Wha

[bronze summit]

Wha

[dull flint]

But the mobo wasn't causing the boot issues? Or is this the m.2 shield

[bronze summit]

Pcie slot and m.2 slot

[dull flint]

Oh ok, good

Nice

[bronze summit]

Lol

[dull flint]

That'll be great to be repaired

I thought you rma'd this other one when it's cpu or ram

[bronze summit]

So i looked at pcie slot the latch is just split in half but bottom piece is still in tack

[bronze summit]

Ik lol

[cyan raft]

Does getting 4400 mHz ram make any sense for a 10700k for music production?

[dull flint]

Nope

If you like big numbers, that's about all

I'd stick closer to like 3200-3600 for 10th gen

For just work stuff

[bronze summit]

@dull flint so are we sure ram is faulty

[dull flint]

I'm fairly confident

[bronze summit]

If it worked with older cpu

[dull flint]

By all means take the cpu back too if you want to be double sure

[bronze summit]

Okay

I don't know if I habe the recipe anymore tho

[dull flint]

The receipt for the cpu?

[bronze summit]

Ye

Idk if I threw it away or now

Not

[dull flint]

The ram I believe you can just write to g.skill with a serial number

[bronze summit]

Yea

[dull flint]

Lifetime warranty brrrr

Speeb brrr

[weak jackal]

Was cleaning my cpu and re applying thermal paste and some of the thermal paste went on my mother board how do I clean it

[bronze summit]

But I would like to at least get a new cpu in case it is cou issue

[dull flint]

On the motherboard where

[dull flint]

Go for it tbh

[bronze summit]

Bc after 30 days I won't be able to return

[dull flint]

Ye go for it

Do cpu too

[bronze summit]

Okay

[dull flint]

You're fine

Just a tissue and be very careful

It might smear a little but don't freak out, just keep wiping carefully

Isopropyl alcohol wipes would get it clean off but a tissue will do 98% of it

Ultimately if it's any decent paste of recent years it'll be non-conductive so you'll be absolutely fine

Very very low chance of it messing anything up

[weak jackal]

It’s arctic mx5

[amber canopy]

you can leave it there tbh

[dull flint]

MX5 is...ok most of the time lol

As long as it's a consistent paste and not separating it's good stuff

[bronze summit]

https://youtube.com/shorts/L6Y8uBpt9VI?feature=share

[amber canopy]

the prosiphons are over-hyped ngl

[hard leaf]

the logic involved is pretty cool tho

its like the same as tower coolers but with more liquid and more heatsink area

but instead of a wick effect they use condensation to go back to the vapor chamber

[amber canopy]

I know how it works, I'm just saying they're overhyped lol

[hard leaf]

maybe ill buy one when they release the 1700 variant

last time i checked they were limited to 1200/am4 and tr 😦

[sudden creek]

What DDR5 ram do you guys recommend on Amazon.com.mx? My Mobo is the MSI Mag Z690 Tomahawk.

I'd prefer it to have A-RGB.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B09QS2K59B/ref=ox_sc_act_image_7?smid=A2DXJRL4IMTGIC&psc=1

This is what I currently have selected.

I am sad the Royal Ram sticks aren't available in DDR5 it'd look so good in my PC as it's full of crystals and gemstones.

I'd like to get some ram at a similar performance but less money.

The sticks I selected are 340$.

[bronze summit]

I'm driving to microcenter to get a new cpu to see if it will run ram

[dull flint]

Good luckies

[bronze summit]

@dull flint should I plug in my i3 to run the xmp on it

[dull flint]

Up to you

I'd do it if I had a lot of spare paste

[bronze summit]

I do lol

Ek gave like 2 things

With there aio lol

@dull flint how this time

[burnt spear]

That doesn't not look like a good spread

At all

[dull flint]

Much better but not perfect

Top left still bare

Need even more paste

Also btw, your cpu is warping

At the sides

Typical lga 1700 moment

[bronze summit]

It's whay

[dull flint]

Warping

[bronze summit]

Wym

[grizzled bloom]

It's bending under the pressure of the ILM

[dull flint]

The sides are pushed down by the ILM waroing the cpu

[bronze summit]

What's that mean

[dull flint]

LGA1700 has a stupid securing mechanism

[bronze summit]

Is that bad

[dull flint]

It means poorer cooler contact

[bronze summit]

Bruh

I'll just tighten my cpu cooler harder

[grizzled bloom]

NO

[bronze summit]

[dull flint]

That'll make things worse

[bronze summit]

Why

[dull flint]

You could crack the mobo or bend the cooler mount

Breaking either

[grizzled bloom]

It puts pressure on the pins underneath and can bend them, commonly causing RAM channels to drop out

[bronze summit]

It's fine

[bronze summit]

There pins

[hard leaf]

told him to get a contact frame

[bronze summit]

@dull flint well Felix

[hard leaf]

you need a contact frame pal, get one from amazon

sadly is a 1700 thing

[bronze summit]

The cooler should hit it

[hard leaf]

they are cheap af

[dull flint]

Here's what happened to mine

Cooler didn't even stick it just lifted off, it was pretty bad

[bronze summit]

Should I return and get amd

They have sale rn

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

How about do this

[bronze summit]

I could sell my mobo and get $20 off it

[dull flint]

Don't sell

[grizzled bloom]

$5 15 minute fix or $450 2 hour fix?

[dull flint]

Do this

Wallmart has a contact frame that'll help

[bronze summit]

One moment let me activate some brain cells

[hard leaf]

omg

[dull flint]

It's like $8

[bronze summit]

What's a frame again

[dull flint]

From this day forward Kenzie was never the same

[hard leaf]

o

m

g

type "1700 contact frame" on amazon

[bronze summit]

Yea but how does it make stuff betted

[dull flint]

https://youtu.be/iYU1OskbY-Q

[dull flint]

^^^^^^

[hard leaf]

if after that you remain unconvinced then go ahead and get amd

[bronze summit]

@dull flint we might have an issue

[dull flint]

Lol why

[hard leaf]

"we"

hahahahaha

[dull flint]

Ikr we

Lolol

[bronze summit]

I lost one of the springs

[dull flint]

You gotta find it

[grizzled bloom]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[hard leaf]

hey chill dude

the table is not to blame

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[grizzled bloom]

No I needed to flip the table to find the spring

[bronze summit]

Oh no now my thing won't screw in

[dull flint]

You can't screw it in without the spring

It's not fine

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-kermit-gif-13779453

[bronze summit]

No the braket

[dull flint]

The bracket what

[bronze summit]

It won't screw in

[hard leaf]

kenzie being kenzie

hahahaha

[dull flint]

Loosen the others then move it so it fits lolol

[bronze summit]

Do I have to take my whole pc apart

[hard leaf]

no, he missed one of the bolts

of the aio bracket

[dull flint]

I know

[bronze summit]

No they came with it again

[dull flint]

Loosen the other 3 then move the bracket

Then the 4th will fit

[hard leaf]

4th? there is no fourth

[bronze summit]

No none are going in

Except bottom left

That stayed on board

[grizzled bloom]

That means your backplate is off center

[bronze summit]

[dull flint]

Lol

You can do it kenzie

I believe in you

[hard leaf]

you need to take off the whole mobo now

why kenzie why?

[dull flint]

Nah you can reach the back in this case

No need to take mobo out

[long geyser]

Wait does the fourth one not exist?

[dull flint]

You can do it Kenzie

[hard leaf]

missing

[dull flint]

[bronze summit]

It stuck on the aio

[hard leaf]

how?

[dull flint]

Unstuck it with pliers

[bronze summit]

Wym how

[dull flint]

No actually this is how it works for that cooler

[long geyser]

Okay, cuz I was about to say that two is probably better then three for balancing reasons.

[bronze summit]

Physics

[dull flint]

Two sets of pliers

[bronze summit]

@long geyser this is my monitor btw

[dull flint]

Say hi monitor

[hard leaf]

👋

[long geyser]

Monitor getting flashbanged

It's just minding its own business sleeping

and there you are blinding it

[dull flint]

Imagine burn in after 3 years under the lamp

Kekw

[long geyser]

Also, regarding backplate issues, I actually had a lot of trouble getting my CNPS20X backplate on before. Tolerances were insanely tight for my specific backplate

[bronze summit]

@dull flint help I don't have nails

[hard leaf]

still think that he needs to take off the mobo for a well-done job

[bronze summit]

Do I need these white pieces

[hard leaf]

yes

those are called washers

[bronze summit]

Bruh

[hard leaf]

protect the mobo from scratches

[bronze summit]

I can't FREAKING PICK THEM UP

[grizzled bloom]

Also makes sure the spacing is correct

[dull flint]

I'm glad you don't what the heck

What nails

No nails near pc ever

[hard leaf]

plz kenzie record a video

i want to see that

[long geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-hit-nail-blow-gif-12163084

[hard leaf]

im not sure how nails can improve your situation but im eager to learn

[long geyser]

Make sure to bring a hammer

[dull flint]

Nail straight down the middle

Cpu pressure fixed

[bronze summit]

I can't pick it u0

[long geyser]

Helps with picking up washer

[bronze summit]

Bruh

Nails would get under it

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-offerman-home-depot-hardware-store-home-depot-gif-10410032

[bronze summit]

And lift it

[hard leaf]

o

m

g

[long geyser]

Use your finger and press on it. Skin oils make washer stick to finger

[hard leaf]

that video made me want to commit suicide

[grizzled bloom]

Tape

[dull flint]

Ok it can't be that bad lol

[bronze summit]

No

[dull flint]

Def ocd inducing

Omg kenzie

[hard leaf]

ok what about that one?

[dull flint]

LMAO

[bronze summit]

Oh got it

[long geyser]

Exert a moderate amt of force and press for ~5s or smth

[bronze summit]

I liked my finger

[dull flint]

NO I'M TRYING TO BE NICE DON'T CORNER ME LIKE THIS

[grizzled bloom]

I'm serious, take a tiny piece of tape

[dull flint]

[bronze summit]

I have none

[hard leaf]

gotta love how the washer is trolling kenzie

just for the sake of trolling

[long geyser]

Another method is screwdriver or the mount standoffs. Put washer over mobo mount hole slightly offcenter, use screwdriver/standoff thread topick it out.

[bronze summit]

So I looked into whole and it seems to be in place

[grizzled bloom]

Seems to be isn't the same as "is"

[bronze summit]

Lol

[hard leaf]

yeah is off center

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-peeping-tom-gif-10881044

[bronze summit]

@dull flint I lost the metal piece now

[grizzled bloom]

[dull flint]

[bronze summit]

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

Stop losing things and find them

[bronze summit]

I hate have gold fish memory

Idk where it went

[dull flint]

It's in the room

Somewhere

You must find it

[bronze summit]

I laid it right here

[dull flint]

Why are the standoffs sprawled

Keep things together

[bronze summit]

They rolling

[dull flint]

This is how you lose things lol

Rolling is no excuse