cpus-mobo-and-memory

[grizzled bloom]

You can install it to a 40gb drive if you really needed, and after junk removal it'll take like 25gb

[naive pendant]

i think ill switch to a 250gb SSD

and upgrade to 4tb HDD

[grizzled bloom]

I have 11 installed on a 256 with most of my programs and it's less than half full

[naive pendant]

oh alright

in that case ill see how much a 128 is

[grizzled bloom]

I wouldn't go that low, that's past the dimishing returns zone

[naive pendant]

ok

[grizzled bloom]

Drives get slower and not much cheaper

[naive pendant]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DPFsgb

this good then?

[grizzled bloom]

I'd look into some of the things bacca said too, like the 6700

Couple adjustments https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/M74Mgb

[burnt spear]

Txm 650 tho :p

Oh sad, price went up

Nzxt c 650 is 50£ tho

[grizzled bloom]

I think they had it set to only amazon

Wait that was me
wtf why was it set to amazon only

[burnt spear]

Weird

[grizzled bloom]

Anywho yeah setting my merchants correctly and changing to C650 gets you under 1k

[naive pendant]

if i switch to a bracket instead of a built in vertical gpu then will i be able to get better cooling and be able to get a better case?

[burnt spear]

The p500a is a very good case

[grizzled bloom]

Cooling still doesn't matter much but as far as a "better" case it doesn't get much better until you spend more

[burnt spear]

Imo a bit big considering you're not using a 360mm aio, id take a look at the p360a/g360a/p400a

[shy wyvern]

I updated bios and lost 40 watts on the CPU for the same voltage and clocks? Very weird

Nvm more like 60 watts??

I'm at 55°C max load with cinebench what is going on

[grizzled bloom]

Same performance?

[shy wyvern]

Yeah same score

[grizzled bloom]

Trippy, guess they did some serious optimizing

[shy wyvern]

My last bios was from January, someone told me my 4090 flickering issue is a MSI bios issue

The flickering went away after bios update so that's odd

[grizzled bloom]

win-win ig

[shy wyvern]

I guess so I'm so lost on how they could optimize it that much

My CPU went from 190-210 watts on OC to currently 130-140

[grizzled bloom]

LLC or some other VRM changes possibly

MSI LLC is weird

[shy wyvern]

I have voltages manually set that's what's blowing my mind

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah you'll still get vdroop though

[shy wyvern]

Ram still stable with anta extreme it seems

I'm just lost af rn how you can pull 60% of the power previously at same settings and get the same performance and stability

Prime 95 170 watts instead of 220 I had earlier

My mind is blown rn

[grizzled bloom]

New platform issues they resolved prob

[shy wyvern]

I guess update your motherboards for 600 series if you haven't yet

I'm still at 19.1K cinebench too, I'm just blown away by the power difference

[grizzled bloom]

I have a general rule: never buy the first model on a new platform. Applies to cars too. You always get those growing pains.

[shy wyvern]

flips the eggs cooking on my melty 4090 power connector I have no idea why you have that rule

Wtaf I'm down to 12 watts at idle now too, that's much lower

Oh what my P cores are turning off during idle now they didn't used to do that, "core" 0-11 is parked XD

[grizzled bloom]

Figured sleep states had to do with idle

[shy wyvern]

Yeah it's going into ecore only at idle

I've never seen my ecore hotter than my p core before

[grizzled bloom]

I guess this is a case of "if it ain't broke... it is and you just didn't know it"

[shy wyvern]

I'm just hoping this fixes all the GPU related blue screens too

If not, Nvidia's driver release in a few hours should

[hollow knot]

my friends keep telling me to get ddr4 3600 no ddr4 3200 ram back and forth. with 5600 6800xt at 4k which ram should i get 3600 or 3200

[proven whale]

Building a video editing computer. Was looking at the 7950x cpu but i can't decide on which motherboard is needed ... so many options ... any help? planning on doing 128gb ram to max it out for speed of editing and processing video

[hollow thorn]

don't need to go expensive

something cheap like this should be fine
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145412

[cursive epoch]

i would just get 3600c18

similar price as 3200c16

[shy wyvern]

I put on a thermal right contact frame but it may be too late

My CPU started to spin on the counter, meaning it's already somewhat warped, hopefully the contact frame helps mitigate it

[hollow knot]

Would it matter that much if im gonna game primarily at 4k. Where gpu takes on most of the workload? Will 3200mhz work in that situation

[cursive epoch]

no

but ryzen likes 3600 mhz ram

so getting 3600 with worse latency is fine

[burnt spear]

3200c16 and 3600c18 are very similarly priced rn

[cursive epoch]

^

might as well get the 3600

[hollow knot]

I guess i get 3600 2x16gb stack next week on sale

[charred plinth]

hello?

anyway, got a q500a laptop...upgrading from i5 to i7 chip(3632qm)..will the kinston ddr3 16 gb x2 ram chips fit in the slot? thank you in advance

[naive pendant]

for a USB download of windows, how large does the USB have to be?

i have an old 4gb drive and i found a cheap 32gb one

[unreal shell]

I was referred here by the app, I need to see if the specs of this laptop will allow windows 11. Check this out on @vague haven: Lenovo Flex 4 1580 80VE000QUS 15.6" Touchscreen 1920 x 1080 2-in-1 Laptop, Intel Core i7-7500U 2.5GHz, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, AMD Radeon R7 M460 2GB, Windows 10 Pro Grade B https://www.newegg.com/p/1XV-0001-026H1?Item=9SIADT2HNV1697&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIADT2HNV1697-_-11172022

[naive pendant]

as long as it has atleast 10gb of data you can easily get windows 11

its not 256

got*

[unreal shell]

It's an older laptop, but someone told me worry about the specs more than anything else

[naive pendant]

what are you using it for

[unreal shell]

I'm a noob who just started A+ certification and would use this for virtual labs and an occasional hearthstone game

[naive pendant]

youll be fine

[unreal shell]

The memory I can use an external and not to worry about that

[naive pendant]

as long as youre not using it for heavy gaming or rendering

[unreal shell]

Noooo... just to get me by for about 2 years

[naive pendant]

honestly i think you could probably find a better deal but if you want the touchscreen then thats a good choice

[unreal shell]

The RAM is what my professor... said is very important

[naive pendant]

oh yeah its good

16gb is alot for an old laptop

and for that price is really good

[unreal shell]

Really.... better??? .ok I'll look for a non touch screen to see what I can find

[naive pendant]

ill have a look for you

[burnt spear]

it will run windows 11 but imo that's kinda overpriced

[naive pendant]

thats what i was thinking

the ram is good for the cost

[unreal shell]

$299... I can find better??

[naive pendant]

yeah alot better

[burnt spear]

give me a min

im looking

[unreal shell]

Thanks guys

All my professor said is get RAM

[naive pendant]

its probably best to buy a cheap gaming laptop then upgrade the RAM by hand

[unreal shell]

16GB minimum

[naive pendant]

@burnt spear why not?

[burnt spear]

virtual labs, you'll want to focus on cpu perf

you don't need a dedicated gpu like in the laptop you linked

ram, 16gb will def be enough but you might be better off upgrading ram yourself

[burnt spear]

they don't need gpu perf

they need cpu perf

[naive pendant]

no they said they need 16GB ram

its probably best to just install 16gb by hand

rather than look for one with 16gb

[burnt spear]

and they also need good cpu performance

because of the labs

[naive pendant]

but for good cpu you may only get 4-8gb of ram for that cost

[unreal shell]

Bacca lots of labs indeed

[burnt spear]

.

[burnt spear]

.

[burnt spear]

.

[naive pendant]

oh

[naive pendant]

didnt realise you said that sorry

[burnt spear]

youre fine

[burnt spear]

is $300 a hard limit?

[unreal shell]

Give or take a 100 more

[naive pendant]

afk

[burnt spear]

alr

The two I could find are these ones https://www.ebay.com/itm/265157698831?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=IZv0H-iASTG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=2lqo7k9oqdg&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Swift-3-14-0-Full-HD-11th-Gen-Intel-Core-i5-1135G7-8GB-LPDDR4X-512GB-NVMe-SSD-Silver-Windows-10-SF314-511-51A3/534855652?irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_zmXQ1Zz7WxyNUkix4pXmXUxOUkDTeNVZUxKzT00&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_2553023&clickid=zmXQ1Zz7WxyNUkix4pXmXUxOUkDTeNVZUxKzT00&sharedid=&affiliates_ad_id=565706&campaign_id=9383

Sorry for long links on mobile

[unreal shell]

No problem. Thanks.

[burnt spear]

they will be over budget with the ram upgrade though, unfortunately

[unreal shell]

Not bad price .... I m keeping memory dedicated to performance and storing everything to external

It may work

[vast meadow]

You're looking for a good laptop under 400?

[naive pendant]

under $300

[unreal shell]

Yes

[vast meadow]

I'd go with this if you don't mind refurbished
https://www.newegg.com/natural-silver-natural-silver-with-a-vertical-brushing-pattern-hp-17-cn1053cl-home-personal/p/N82E16834273562?Item=N82E16834273562
Or this if you want new
https://www.newegg.com/silver-hp-elitebook-845-g7-mainstream/p/1TS-000D-14ZR7?item=9SIAKVUJAU5469

[burnt spear]

would have to add an ssd to the first one

well, should

[unreal shell]

Second one would be a better option?

Cool thanks guys

[vast meadow]

Omg i missed that

Ffs

Good catch

[naive pendant]

is the 3600 better than the 4500?

[obtuse forge]

3300x is better than the 3600 in gaming but not in mutithreading

[obtuse forge]

5600 is a good option

[naive pendant]

dont have 5600 money

wont have 5600 money

[obtuse forge]

save

[naive pendant]

I have nothing to save 💀

[obtuse forge]

3600 it has pcie 4.0 4500 doesnt

[naive pendant]

is that it? 🤔

like is it a non-performance difference mostly?

[obtuse forge]

same core count

[obtuse forge]

get 3600 dont buy 4500 it is not a good cpu

[naive pendant]

okay

[pliant dove]

just got a z690 board does the highlighted sticker mean it has the update for the 13th gen intel processors?
https://i.imgur.com/ros5uKZ.jpg

[grizzled bloom]

Possibly but you can find the factory installed bios version on the part of the box with the barcodes, and cross reference that with the website

[vast meadow]

Its 120$ brand new

[cursive epoch]

pcie 4.0 is only available with B550 or X570

since they're using 3000G

im assuming they're rocking B450

or older

also yeah, 5600 is 120 rn

[limber dragon]

3000G is also zen/+ based and doesn't support higher than 3.0

[woven elk]

do most z690 motherboards work with the 13th gen?

[burnt spear]

All do with a bios update

[woven elk]

ASUS Z690-E ROG Strix Gaming is this overkill for i7-13700k with ddr5 ram?

[burnt spear]

Strix is almost always terribly priced

If you need wifi https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T2H7YJ/gigabyte-z790-aorus-elite-ax-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-aorus-elite-ax

[woven elk]

oh wow, this basically has everything Strix has and much cheaper

thank you

[burnt spear]

Np

It also won't require a bios update

[woven elk]

Awesome, I order it and its coming sometime next week, once again thank you 🙂

[naive pendant]

same thing

if I was getting 3600 I'd be looking for a very good used deal

probably on hwswap

cause 💸

[compact zenith]

Almost lost my Z390 today. Seems it's not just water coolers that vibrations can kill, the cases themselves have a few weaknesses that can turn deadly for the PC too. My cat was sitting on top of my older glass Thermaltake Z390 I been fixing up, and growling which got my attention. He only growls like this, when I slowly pull my blanket out from under him when he's been sleeping. But while sitting on top of the PC, that's a new one. I saw it slowly tipping over, which is what was annoying Snowy sitting on top. Fact most sides are glass, didn't want it falling over so grabbed it in time as my cat jumped off, quite a bit annoyed too. Case felt wierd like it was off balance, and found out the screws on two feet disconnected from the case. Didn't know it was just washers, screw and bolt that secured them. I'm used to seeing punch rivits In the feet. Got to check all the tower cases now. Vibrations caused this.

[grizzled bloom]

Yikes, sounds like poor QC to me if the screw was loose enough to get vibrated out. Glad it wasn't total catastrophe.

[hard leaf]

you need to find a shaman or something

everyday you surprise us with more catastrophic things on your tech things

[grizzled bloom]

No kidding

[compact zenith]

The case is five years old, been dragged across my desk countless times. Surprised the other foot didn't Disconnect until I picked case up to put first one back in.

Usually I only have to tighten the card screws, and motherboard screws and CPU fan bolts a few times each year. I redo the thermal paste once a year to get trapped dust and cat hair out. Should have seen another desktop my mother in law gave to my kids 12 years ago. Don't know what the CPU was, it was a slow system my kids shared till they built their own 4 years later. The vibrations caused the fan that rested on top of the CPU, to dig some deep gouges on top. Couldn't even identify what the chip was, since writing was ground off.

Ravell, other than the I9s 13th gen additional cores, is there much notable
difference in speed between Gen 12 and Gen 13?

[grizzled bloom]

Are you on a fault line or something geez, I've never heard of those lapping themselves

[compact zenith]

I live in California lol, there are fault lines all over. Two train rails run behind my home, and six blocks away is a very large active airport. It's not just computers, we had to be careful with lights and appliances as well. I replaced all overhead lights because ones already in house, would crack the moment one of the 3 thumb screws got loose.

[grizzled bloom]

Ah yeah train tracks/planes will do it too

I'm in cali too but never had those issues

[compact zenith]

Not to mention the first week after we moved in, before the train station got moved behind us, but still close enough, right after a train passed, one of those globe like bulb covers, disconnected from ceiling and just missed my wife's head. As Get smart would say, missed it by that much.

Sort of reminds me of the I love Lucy episode where they got stuck at a motel next to train station. A bit over exaggerated. Oh yeah, bunk beds and furniture I have to tighten every few months too, though ladder I take care of monthly.

Makes me wonder, what holds this place together.

[grizzled bloom]

That sounds like a nightmare
No wonder you have so many issues

I bet the wiring is loose in spots too

[hard leaf]

bet

dont get a 4090 then or the connector will go loose in no time in your house xD

[compact zenith]

I redid the entire homes wiring 10 years ago. Found out there was an electrical fire here 30 years ago, and found one rooms outlets wired with speaker type wire. It was more expensive for the permits than the replacement cables I had to run from breaker box.

[hard leaf]

once i found speaker wires on my pickup... man i was so enraged

since then all the mechanic work is made by myself e_e effin mechanics

[compact zenith]

Heck, need to look for the pictures I took. The outlet boxes had soot in them from fire.

When I was able to drive years back, I did all my repairs except transmission and time chain belt. Went to get my car inspected, and dealer said brake replacement would be $420. I already knew pads were $14 from aids auto store, and did my own repairs. Couldn't believe thinking back how many times my parents got ripped off, before I did the repairs myself.

[grizzled bloom]

The difference is the mechanic probably wanted to do a full system flush, when you can just pinch off the tube and top it off when you do it yourself. A flush takes a lot of time and fluid but can be worth it sometimes to extend life of the parts.

I'm probably going to get my coolant flushed when I get them to fix my leaking tubes, it's looking pretty nasty

[compact zenith]

Oh, been so long, forgot about the Calipers. Those were a pain to clean. Owned a Dodge Daytona that I stupidly went to test and forgot to put the pads in, so the piston not only shot out of the Caliper, it also tore the gasket, and the gaskets had to be machined on, one item I didn't own, so traded it in for a replacement+ $45.

Easy to push the pistons in with a clamp, but found out the hard way, not to test them, at least with my car, without a set of pads in. The one thing I didn't like about my car, how fast the pads burned up. Made it a point to check them often, or Id find myself replacing the rotors with the pads because the pins dug into the rotors quite fast.

Ended up junking that car after the engine seized. Was on expressway on way home after managing a RadioShack store and didn't see a tire in the road till it was too late. Amazed I didn't get into an accident as it took out my steering, and another part that caused all oil to split out. The few moment it took to pull over, resulted in engine seizing. One tire killed my car lol.

[boreal moth]

I need a Mobo recommendation for a i5-12600k

Anyone know some good ones

Doesn’t need wifi

I have a wifi card

[cerulean wadi]

Msi pro z690-A is a good one. Haven't checked prices in a while. Also always glance at the wifi model price because ya never know.

[grizzled bloom]

DDR4 or DDR5? If you don't have memory yet I'd recommend DDR5

[boreal moth]

Why would you recommend ddr5?

Isn’t ddr4 faster still

Plus cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

Even the cheapest DDR5 available is better than good DDR4

[boreal moth]

Isn’t the cheapest like the same as the most expensive ddr4 tho

Price wise

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/IstA56IAeVA

[boreal moth]

I don’t have the ram Yet tho

So I can change

What would you recommend

This is the parts I was going to buy rn

[grizzled bloom]

What games would you be playing? 16gb is still enough for most but some like 32gb now

[boreal moth]

I have 32GB rn so I’d want 32 again

I play a lot of shooters but also flight sims

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pFXc78 this is what I was going to buy - the Mobo

@grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j4VNjZ

The 3200c16 memory you picked is pretty much bare minimum

[boreal moth]

Is cas latency not a big deal anymore

[grizzled bloom]

The 5600c32 kits can all clock to 6400+ easy

Nah not on DDR5

[boreal moth]

Gotcha

Kinda behind on the ram stuff

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/pgb8N23tsfA

What really matters on DDR5 is the tertiary timings, and the kit I linked is a hynix kit that tunes REALLY well

6000c36 DDR5 is beating more expensive 3600c14 kits of DDR4

[boreal moth]

So you’d recommend overcooking the ram you sent

Overclocking*

[grizzled bloom]

Definitely. That's the whole reason to get Z690 and a K processor after all.

[boreal moth]

True true

Thoughts on the cooler in my list?

[grizzled bloom]

It's a good one, decent dual tower

[boreal moth]

Would you recommend anything else over it

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe a Fuma 2

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D3Gbt6/scythe-fuma-2-revb-3944-cfm-cpu-cooler-scfm-2100

AK620 if you can swing the extra $10

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g

Thicc fans on that one

[boreal moth]

I’ll do the 620

Thanks @grizzled bloom 🤝

[grizzled bloom]

Happy to help

Wow I just double checked the cooler height compatibility and it'll be a tight fit, like 2mm of space

[boreal moth]

Oh

Yike

Should I go with the other cooler

Lol

Or keep the tight fit

I mean it does still fit

[grizzled bloom]

Tight fit still fits

[boreal moth]

Good enough for me

Added to cart

Lol

[grizzled bloom]

2mm is enough for manufacturing tolerance differences

It'll be fine, just tight

[boreal moth]

All good then 👍

[boreal moth]

Everything is ordered

Thanks!

[viscid crow]

I was just referred here. Are there sales techs on now?

[burnt spear]

Wdym

[midnight pollen]

It's getting a bit late here but also this is a community server. if you have questions about tech feel free to ask and if someone has an answer they will likely reply

though if it is a question regarding an order that would go to one of the cs in #faqs

[burnt spear]

If you're looking for early black Friday deals, check #tech-deals and scroll through r/buildapcsales on reddit

[viscid crow]

I am wondering if anyone knows a little about older model motherboards, specificly...

I have an AMD/8-core FX-8350 4.0G 8M R and 2x 16Gb DDR3 memory sticks. I would like a motherboard that I can use these on that will accept 64Gb of memory. I realize that I will need some more Ram as well

[grizzled bloom]

No one here works for Newegg if that's what you mean

But I'll dig up a board

[viscid crow]

Can anyone else answer my question? I just looked up Gigabyte site and I am sure they can help during business hours tomorrow

[grizzled bloom]

I'm looking for a board right now

[viscid crow]

Although I can use any motherboard manufacturer

[grizzled bloom]

It's going to be a used board because that's a decade old at this point

[viscid crow]

That's ok

I built this 7.5 years ago and it is running ok, but I want more ram

[grizzled bloom]

I'm guessing that means you have a board with only 2 slots right now?

[viscid crow]

https://tenor.com/view/more-power-home-improvement-tim-gif-22738460

I have 4 slots but my mb can only use 32 gb

I have 2 slots open

[grizzled bloom]

Oh, which board is it? I'll double check that while I'm at it

[viscid crow]

Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P

[grizzled bloom]

Rev 1.0 or 2.X?

It would say on the board and if it doesn't then it's 1.0

[viscid crow]

I don't know...Prolly 1.0

[grizzled bloom]

Easy way to tell, 1.0 above the CPU looks like this

2.0

[viscid crow]

Give me a min to open it up

Rev 2.0

[grizzled bloom]

@viscid crow Alright dug up some general information.
Most 970/990 boards can support 64GB memory, albeit limited to about 1600 speed if you're lucky due to the memory controller.
Windows 7 Pro only addresses up to 32GB so I hope you're on 10. Home does 16GB.
What I'd do is just get the 2 new sticks, matching the speed and timings of your current set to maximize the chance it's compatible with each other. Then try it in your current board.

[viscid crow]

Ok. Thank you very much. I though about doing that but thought it would be a waste of money

[grizzled bloom]

If you want to be absolutely sure the sticks are compatible you need a matched kit like this, note non-ecc https://www.ebay.com/itm/303642267472

[amber canopy]

Which board is he using? Are you sure it works with x4 dimms?

[grizzled bloom]

Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P
Official QVL is useless for 90% of these AM3 boards but it does currently work with 2x16gb sticks.
Most 970/990 boards should be capable of running 64gb according to my research, they're the last gen on that socket.
If it does work, he saves money. If it doesn't, he needed a new board anyway in that case.

[winged lynx]

How good is this ?
https://www.newegg.com/global/sa-en/asrock-b650-pro-rs/p/N82E16813162078?Item=N82E16813162078&quicklink=true

[zinc stream]

i have a GALAXY Z690 Metal Master and a COLORFUL CVN Z690 GAMING FROZEN V21 motherboard, which motherboard can better use the 13700kf

[dull flint]

Wow uh, I don't know either of those of the top of my head hang on

I'd trust the colourful more @zinc stream

But the galaxy supposedly has a much better vrm if it's press release is anything to go by

So if you can verify the vrm on the galaxy you have is indeed 90A stages that could likely be better

I wouldn't have high expectations of the RAM you could run on it tho

[grizzled bloom]

Whichever brand has the better, more consistent BIOS updates. Smaller brands like that tend to put board updates on the back burner.

[zinc stream]

ok,thank you

i will use galaxy on my pc

[hollow knot]

Is the x570 tuf gaming plus wifi a good mobo with 5600

[vast meadow]

Way too expensive I'd just go with the msi vc wifi

[steady fable]

Getting new, better ram to go along with my ryzen 7 5800x…I know I should run 4 sticks since ryzen gets a little speed bump that way (correct?), so am thinking 4x8Gb to get me to 32GB…but would I benefit from getting the DDR4-3600 C16 over the C18? Or would that not be noticeable?

[hollow thorn]

4x8 and 2x16 both perform better than 2x8 assuming 16gb stick is dual rank, buy whatever is cheaper, 3600c16 will OC better than 3600c18, but performance is not noticeably different

[steady fable]

Thank you...yeah I have this currently https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-Trident-3200MHz-PC4-25600-Channel/dp/B085ZVZFMC Another user said maybe I could even OC that up to 3600 maybe?

[hollow thorn]

I mean, 3200c16 is going to be wacky dies, wouldn't count on ocing it, especially since its a 2x32 kit

I would probably just sit on that kit too, it's an alright kit

if you really wanted to you could grab like
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0897TY95J

[grand burrow]

How much can a mobo slow down your system?

I have a B450M with 3080 and Ryzen 7 2700

[rocky iron]

is a cpu really less then a pound? damn i didn't even know, i bought my first cpu and it was mad light

i mean then again it didn't come with a cooler so it makes sense

[amber canopy]

Well yea it's tiny, the only thing that would really weigh much is the IHS

[rocky iron]

seriously when i got my package i was like, did i get scammed? lol

[amber canopy]

Some larger socket sp3 or lga3647 chips probably weigh closer to a pound though lol

[rocky iron]

then i look inside, and just like yeah thats my cpu

[amber canopy]

What did you buy

[rocky iron]

a 12700k

its not really a big upgrade for me, i just wanted to be able to upgrade a little more with a motherboard thats more like future proof

i did a 2 year generation upgrade lol, i'm kinda weird

but i won't have to upgrade to a new one anytime soon (i hope) like we talking 5 years

maybe even more

[hollow thorn]

The CPU will slow you down more than the mobo

[amber canopy]

Dont buy into Zen or Zen+ honestly

Those chips were pretty bad and aged pretty badly as well

If you dont want to spend much on a CPU, get a 3600 probably

[dull flint]

Or just a 5600

[amber canopy]

whats the pricing of those two chips these days actually, i have no clue

[dull flint]

3600 used is decent too but it'll prolly struggle with a 3080 at 1080p

New? Same price pretty much

May as well get 5500

[amber canopy]

well nobody would buy a 3600 new lol

[dull flint]

Used would be good, def sub 100

[amber canopy]

do you know what else is sub 100 and is better than a 3600

1660 V3

[dull flint]

Ur scaring me with all this xeon talk already

[amber canopy]

YOU MUST BE ENLIGHTENED

[rocky iron]

Why is the cpu power cable not coming off the motherboard

And the main power connector, I've been here stuck for like 15 minutes trying to unplug it

I did everything out of order so it's like

Hard

[grand burrow]

Lol. looking at the Ryzen 9 5900X, is there a reason I shouldn’t buy into Ryzen? (I’m assuming that’s what you meant by zen)

@amber canopy

[dull flint]

@grand burrow which b450m do you have

When he means zen and zen+ he means say, 1700x, 2700x etc. Those two series

Zen 3 is quite good but need to know what motherboard you have so we can check what cpu it can handle

[grand burrow]

Asus tuf b450m plus gaming

[tropic glen]

It's meh

[dull flint]

Ok? I own a zen 3 chip and it's fine

[dull flint]

I could likely handle a 5900X but probably not the best bang for your buck

Is this just for games?

[grand burrow]

https://www.amazon.com/TUF-Gaming-Motherboard-Ryzen-B450M-Plus/dp/B07FKV3TVF

[dull flint]

Ye I went and found it

[grand burrow]

Sry. Uh mostly for games but also CAD

[dull flint]

Hmm ok

How much ram?

[grand burrow]

I’m willing to change whatever, except gpu. 32GB Ram

[dull flint]

How heavy do you find the cad work you're doing rn on your pc?

[grand burrow]

Moderate

Mostly assemblies

[dull flint]

Ok fair

5900X in eco mode should be fine

[grand burrow]

Highest assembly has about 200 parts

But that is rates

Rare

[dull flint]

Yeah that's a fair justification tho

[grand burrow]

And mostly viewing

[dull flint]

I'd look for a good sale tho

Like no more than 330 iirc for a 5900X

[grand burrow]

Ok. Should I look into a mobo as well?

[dull flint]

Or try used

Nah I think it'll be ok, just don't oc it

What cooler have you got?

[grand burrow]

Stock

[dull flint]

You'll want an aio

[grand burrow]

240 or 360mm

[dull flint]

Arctic has b stock 280mm aio's for 50$ on ebay

[tropic glen]

If buying a mobo you might as well get a 13600k. As that would defeat the point of the 5900x

[dull flint]

Ah 360's too if 280 doesn't fit

[tropic glen]

An AK620 would be fine

AIO is a bit of a waste on zen3

[dull flint]

The aio is cheaper than an AK620

[tropic glen]

They run hot due to die density, and don't run much cooler if you throw more at it

[tropic glen]

Ak620 is $50 on newegg rn

Stupidly good deal

[dull flint]

So...if they have the option for a $50 280 aio, and a good one, why not do it?

280 will slap the ak620 for the same

If you're gonna recommend a dual tower, thermalright pa120 or pa120se is a better suggestion

Non-se works better for lga1700

[grand burrow]

So

I’m gonna bookmark this…

[tropic glen]

Potentially less reliable and the cooling doesn't matter on a 5900x

The 5900x is usually one of the easiest zen3 cpus to cool

6core ccd

[dull flint]

Less reliable? They're both copper heatsinks

Lololol

[tropic glen]

Pump

[dull flint]

Oh you mean the arctic?

[tropic glen]

Yes

[dull flint]

That's just a poor take

Aio's go for years and they have a full warranty

[tropic glen]

The artic aios are great, but the 5900x doesn't need it

[dull flint]

Again, why try justify against a similar price for better perf lol

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QVrRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-argb-white-d1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/354106545275

Pick your poison

@grand burrow if you can give used a fair go try here
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[grand burrow]

Arctic

[dull flint]

5900X's going for well under 300 there

[grand burrow]

Fantastic! Thanks everyone!!

[dull flint]

Np

[dull flint]

@grizzled bloom rate my repair work

Reference from a week ago

[compact zenith]

Please tell me those pictures are of before the repair?

[dull flint]

Before and after

And it also freaking WORKS NOW

HELL YES

BOOYAH

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-yes-oh-yeah-you-yes-be-it-yea-yes-gif-24983796

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-gif-25211694

[compact zenith]

What concerns me, are the small tabs of metal sticking up. Looks like they may hang up and bend when something is plugged in

[dull flint]

That's before

After they're lined up

Took me AGES

Were it not for the value of the board I wouldn't have bothered to repair it perfectly

[compact zenith]

Did you bend the pins back, or replace the USB ports using a soldering iron?

[dull flint]

Bent them back

Using 3 different shaped needles

Took me a long time to do

[compact zenith]

That takes good eyesight, something I no longer have. If you have soldering experience, I suggest looking at Digikey. They have just about every semi conductor known to man kind. Wouldn't be surprised if those USB ports were about 50 cents to $2.00 each.

[dull flint]

Ah well I don't have any soldering kit rn

That's the next step really for me, 3 things, soldering, hardline loops and familiarising myself more with PSUs and their internals

After that I've learnt enough to make it a career lol

[compact zenith]

If you plan doing surface mount repairs, I suggest getting a normal soldering iron with temperature control, and a microfine tip. Microfine tips are great for hard to reach areas. I used to make $75 to $150, repairing the PlayStation 2 systems people botched up trying to mod back in the days. They would use a normal soldering iron, and end up knocking off the surface mounts next to the ports they were trying to modify.

It's good to practice on a bad board to gain experience.

[dull flint]

Yeah it's def something I want to try eventually

I just don't have the space rn

[compact zenith]

If you plan doing motherboard repairs, always put a cover in the CPU socket if no CPU present. One bead of solder, can seriously damage a socket.

That's one repair I can never do now. My hands shake and half blind. Building a PC without damaging anything is still easy for me. But components now a days, forever out of me reach 😦

.
.
On another note, My daughter's I7 Z690 Aorus Master is acting a bit wonky. Just found out, fast boot isn't working on her system. Bios is updated and also turned on, but for some reason, the 2TB Kingston Fury is not booting into Windows under fast boot. Google searches are only turning up how to shut it off, not any info on how to get it working.

Think it's an efi issue. Unlike my system and my son's, I noticed the 500mb system partitions got drive letters assigned to them.

Actually, I bet it's that stupid issue with the SATA drives. Older windows 10 efi partitions are getting used again despite the NVME being a fresh format. I just need to disconnect them and see if it continues. If I get a boot error, then that's the problem.

[dull flint]

Aorus you want to set boot to fast or ultra fast in the menu. It's a bit different to fast boot, which you don't need enabled

Ultra fast skips usb until after bios, fast is normal

Disabled is a like 50 second boot up

That is if it's anything like what my aero g does

You find these options in the boot tab of the bios under advanced settings

[limber dragon]

You'd need a hot air for usb port replacement

[compact zenith]

All that I already had set up. Was the wrong EFI partition and windows 10 drivers, coupled with incorrect appcenter programs. Instead of Z690, it was loading from the windows 10 drive which used to be in a Z390 version. Looks like my daughter restored entire drive instead of just the partition. I disconnected the drives, booted under the NVME and fastboot worked.

I just got done using diskpart drive 1, and restoring just the partition so no second efi to confuse system.

To bad Macrium Reflect doesn't have option to leave out the windows 10 install. I'm going to have to back up the needed folders and wipe the drive once more so nothing is left, just to be safe.

[ebon sinew]

is this cpu good for vr https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LT3gXL/intel-core-i7-12700f-21-ghz-12-core-processor-bx8071512700f

[ebon sinew]

I think I will go with the i5 13600k because of faster multi tasking and will be good for vr, paired with the amd 6900xt

[shy wyvern]

I never thought I would be bottle necked at 4k with a game like spiderman holy hecc

time to buy a 13700k and throw it into my rig ig

[dull flint]

Welcome to 4090 lol

[shy wyvern]

yeah but like

bottlenecked at 4k highest settings is absurd to me

I guess I need an upgrade

[dull flint]

I've been saying this here for a while tho, 5800X3D/13600K+ is as low as I'd go with the card

I've had many naysayers

12900K would also work

[shy wyvern]

13700k Seems a little bit faster than 12900k and is cheaper here locally

currently $379 at microcenter

[dull flint]

Ye, it's def a better chip

[shy wyvern]

versus $480 for 12900k

faster, same amount of cores, and still works on z690

no excuse not to get it over 12900k imo

[dull flint]

12900K tho would work with a 4090 as well tho, it just has enough grunt

Is my point

But yes, 13700K>12900K easily

[shy wyvern]

lemme look on marketplace to see if there's any used 12900ks though

I will swing for a $300ish 12900k

[dull flint]

[shy wyvern]

I saw 12700ks going for $240 locally so don't think it's too much of a stretch

[dull flint]

Depends on the halo tax tbh

[shy wyvern]

Halo tax should vanish when the i7 is faster than it??

unless people big stoopid

which actually makes sense

[dull flint]

People can be stoopid

9900K's still prized

[shy wyvern]

hold up there's a ftw 1050???

[dull flint]

Yet 4-5 years old

[shy wyvern]

I open facebook marketplace and first thing I see if a ftw 1050

it's so overbuilt what is that thing

[dull flint]

Sned pic

[shy wyvern]

it's

SO BIG

for a 1050ti

like ???

how much did this retail for I feel like I'm tripping

[dull flint]

Looks very nice too

[vast meadow]

Flagships always hold their price way better for some reason

[hard leaf]

are you aware the it will bottleneck on the 13700k as well?

[vast meadow]

Not in csgo

[hard leaf]

1k fps on csgo

[vast meadow]

Never enough

[hard leaf]

imagine a bottleneck at that point

[vast meadow]

Probably both bottleneck kek

Idk if csgo has engine limit

[hard leaf]

we are set in tech till 2023

😛

[vast meadow]

Not til we see 7900xtx in action

[hard leaf]

even then, 4090 wins over that one

any other new tech is below 4090 until the 4090ti somewhere on 2023

or a 7950xtx

[grizzled bloom]

400 is engine limit

[vast meadow]

Deff not 400

[grizzled bloom]

400ish

Engine limits aren't usually exact

[vast meadow]

Hmm

I'm pretty sure its a lot higher

@grizzled bloom https://youtu.be/5GneP6MuVOk

Starts around 4 mins

It's quite interesting actually

[shy wyvern]

From what I saw from 13700k reviews the 13700k is about the same as 13900k

[hard leaf]

kinda but still, the 4090 will bneck both anyway, thats the point

i think the 13900 has a bit more cache, not sure tho but both should be pretty similar

[burnt spear]

Even at 1440p I'm pretty sure the 4090 is the limiting factor with a 13600k

[cerulean wadi]

Even at 4k in many games the 4090 is the limiter. 🤣 -- 4070 (ti) (efficiency) is gonna be fun to see.

[vast meadow]

in 4k youd expect gpu to be limit

higher res = more gpu limited, lower res = more cpu limited

[hard leaf]

thing is, there is no cpu currently that can feed the hungry 4090. you will have your gpu bottleneckd one way or another

[vast meadow]

Depends on the game bro

[burnt spear]

13900k 4090 for 480p 24hz csgo

[vast meadow]

Nah 13900k and 4090 at 1080 and 1440p

You should watch 3kliks vid

Really interesting actually

[amber canopy]

I used to have the same 1050ti

[sharp sundial]

For a Ryzen 5 5600X, what is the best way to remove just the stock fan without stripping the small screws? I wanted to replace my two memory sticks with four new ones. I didn't plan on having to maybe rotate the whole fan and have to clean/replace thermal paste as well. Replacing RAM was supposed to be easy!! ||I should have put it on the other way originally ||

My fan basically blocks the 4th memory slot with the AMD logo. I'm trying to replace x2 8GB sticks with x4 16GB sticks. I know to twist the heat sink sideways and to avoid lifting the fan straight up as to not rip out the CPU. I just don't want to have to deal with removing the whole thing.

[hollow thorn]

There's no secret to it, just gotta remove the whole thing and rotate it if whatever orientation it is currently in blocks a ram slot

[sharp sundial]

Can I just pop off the plastic? I'm too afraid to just lift up on the AMD logo to see if I can or not

[sharp sundial]

Transplant success. New thermal paste, new ram. That was scary

[hollow blade]

I need help i got a asus rog z690-e gaming and i9 12900k i try to update my bios but asus says to update intel me before but i cant instai intel update im on first version of the mobo pls help

[frosty depot]

What would be some good DDR3 (heh) laptop RAM? I'm looking for 2x8 or 2x16. One of my buddies has an Inspiron 7000 Gaming laptop that only has 8gb RAM.

[naive pendant]

did they lower the base clock speed of the P-cores in the 13900K by -0.2GHz to accommodate additional E-cores, threads and regular cores?

[supple walrus]

hi guys i have a question

i just got this mobo ASRock B450M PRO4 R2.0 AM4 AMD

but i have a ryzen 5 5600g

will it boot out of the box?

[hollow knot]

b450 might need a bios update

[supple walrus]

yeah but it needs to boot first right?

[grizzled bloom]

What version of bios is installed? It should say on the box near the barcodes

[supple walrus]

i dont have it in hand yet just ordered

[grizzled bloom]

Well you won't know until you have it then. It'll depend on how long it sat on the shelf.

[supple walrus]

chances are it isnt updated

in that case what can i do

[grizzled bloom]

The board doesn't have a bios flash button so you'd need an older CPU to update with. You could get a $20 athlon off eBay.
It'll need to be version P5.00 or higher to support the 5600g.

[supple walrus]

yeah figured

what model athlon

[grizzled bloom]

Any AM4 one, they don't have any that it won't support by default

5.00 released in March 2021 btw just in case it doesn't say what it came with. If the board was manufactured after that it should work.

[supple walrus]

is it possible that i can take it to any computer store and tell them to update the bios for me?

[grizzled bloom]

You could do that but that's a time consuming process and most shops I've asked would charge $100+

[supple walrus]

true

[grizzled bloom]

Since you basically have to build the whole thing

[supple walrus]

i live in canada, canada computers is our like microcentre but they charge so much

man a athlon g200 is also like $70 including shippping

[grizzled bloom]

That's probably new

Used should be cheaper

[supple walrus]

used prices also high aswell

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm I'll take a look in a bit

I'd still say wait until you have it before doing anything drastic

[supple walrus]

yeah you know what ill wait theres a 1% chance the bios might be a 5.0

[grizzled bloom]

More than 1% at least, I'll give it 25%

[supple walrus]

if its not a 5.0 then i might refund and get one which is out of the box

getting another cpu and flashing seems like a stretch

[hollow knot]

5600 vs 5600x vs 5700x which is best with 6800xt or 6900xt

[hard leaf]

of the 3 the 5700x is the best, then the 5600, and last the 5600x

however on price 5600 is the best of the 3

[hollow knot]

will fs140 be enough for 5700x

[eternal helm]

Tbf 5600x is ahead of 5600 in the performance aspect (hardly more than MoE but still)

[woven elk]

can Z790 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0) mobo fit a 4080?

[vast meadow]

ye

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

Plenty

[hard leaf]

in fact any mobo with a pcie x16 can fit that card, you should worry of your case

[stone fog]

I need help moving a laptop motherboard into a custom case that I built.

Well. All of the internals of a laptop minus the keyboard and mouse pad

[grand burrow]

Performance difference between a Ryzen 9 5900X and a Ryzen 9 7900X? Paired with a 3080. worth the $130 upgrade?

[dull flint]

Well it's a lot more than 130

Board ram and the difference of cpu all weigh in there

[hollow knot]

i meant it wont cause any bottleneck issues with 6800xt/6900xt

[vast meadow]

its way more than 130 and also just go 13600k or 13700k

[grizzled bloom]

7700X games better than 7900X because single CCD

And it's cheaper right now than 5900X

So then the only additional cost when building a new rig would be the mobo and ram

[hard leaf]

no, it will not

[grand burrow]

Well I’m dumb and forgot about sockets so I will just be getting the 5900X

[hard leaf]

that should be a fine pairing

[vast meadow]

would get a 13600k over that tbh

unless you already own AM4

[hard leaf]

i was too slow today pato D:

now my package will start its travel by monday T_T

[grand burrow]

Already have an AM4

But honestly thought about getting a new mobo

[hard leaf]

z690+13600k 👍

[devout moth]

Knoppix#4058 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[grand burrow]

So many choicesss

Ok

[vast meadow]

ahh if you have an am4 board just keep am4 then ye

[grizzled bloom]

Do the 5800X3D instead, it's still one of the top gaming CPUs and the best gaming chip on that socket

[vast meadow]

If you can find it*

[grizzled bloom]

It's been popping up here and there for $330

Wegg has it currently at $329 with game bundle

Wegg ebay account has same price

[hollow knot]

quick question do we always have to keep our bios updated over lets say 4-7 years

i have never updated the bios in my hand me down pc

[grizzled bloom]

Normally with bios the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" rule applies but over that long of a span some major fixes and stability fixes get pushed out

Assuming it's a current-ish gen socket board, like a Z390

[hard leaf]

yup, if aint broken then dont touch it

[hollow knot]

but if the mobo comes with wifi i should keep that updated right?

[hard leaf]

same rule applies

[hollow knot]

thx

[hard leaf]

if it works, dont touch it

[hollow knot]

so only if i upgrade a cpu which needs a bios update then i will update bios

[hard leaf]

yup

if you are swappin cpu you will need an update most likely

[hollow knot]

thx

[grizzled bloom]

Wifi drivers are notorious for breaking with updates

[cursive epoch]

tfw i keep my bios updated on my laptop

[grizzled bloom]

Laptops are a bit different too since power saving features are often baked in and an update can significantly impact your battery life

[cursive epoch]

lots of other potential fixes too

like fan profile

some laptops at launch have had issue where the fans are lazy to work

[clever mango]

Hey ive had a 9700k since 2018 and have been looking for an upgrade. Right now im paring it with a 3060 ti. Any thoughts on if/what I should upgrade 2? (I am aware that I will need a new motherboard for any worth it options to upgrade)

was thinking 13700k maybe

[vast meadow]

if you are just gaming id grab 13600k instead

[clever mango]

its 70$ more than the 13600k, u think its still worth me getting a 13600k?

also this is the mobo i wanted to get https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BG7DY6MT/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 any thoughts?

[vast meadow]

in gaming theyre basically the same, I would just get this motherboard and update the bios using bios flashback https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GvmmP6/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-ddr4

[clever mango]

OK

thanks!

[vast meadow]

Np

[cerulean wadi]

Pato think I should 12100/12400, bios update, then eventually later 13600k... or just go 12600K(F)? Lol, was waiting for $220-230 again.

[bronze summit]

Omg omg I'm updating cpu

https://tenor.com/view/kaguya-shake-shinomiya-kaguya-kaguya-worry-nervous-shaking-gif-23887913

[bronze summit]

13600k is nice

Free mobo

That mobo is like $250 rn

[cerulean wadi]

The day MC does more online deals is when their sale numbers jump big time. . At least Frys Electronics was around Northern CA.

[bronze summit]

Well if they do online sales they go out of stock

That piece is now stuck

My fat fingers

Is that enough?

[burnt spear]

I'd say a lil more personally

But also hard to tell how much there actually is

[hard leaf]

you need to open youtube kenzie to guide you better than us

😛

[bronze summit]

Something went wrong

Aio starts going after number started climbing

[hard leaf]

terribly wrong

[bronze summit]

I shut pc down

[hard leaf]

at least it peaked at 5.1 ghz

yay!

[bronze summit]

[hard leaf]

but that temp at that voltage.... auch

[bronze summit]

Oh ummm

I just took the aio off

It wasn't even touching ?

Round 2

WHAT THE HELL

[burnt spear]

Either your mount is bad or you didn't use enough paste

[bronze summit]

@burnt spear I don't understand

It's not going down

[vast meadow]

Remount the aio

And make sure the pump is plugged in

[bronze summit]

I lift aio and I see this still

It's like aio is not touching cpu

[burnt spear]

Then you didn't screw it on right

Does that black part come off the screws?

If so, the aio goes on first and then those go on

[bronze summit]

It's like not touching

I'm dumb

Black prices go after aio is on

Omg

[burnt spear]

Mhm

Theyre screw heads kinda

It's weird, I know why you'd be confused

[bronze summit]

That's spring is supposed to go on after lol

Okay

We good hahag

[maiden flame]

what is an affordable motherboard with 2 slots of m.2 ssds

[burnt spear]

Most motherboards

[maiden flame]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b550-pro4/p/N82E16813157941

Would that work?

[burnt spear]

Yes

It has a 3.0 and a 4.0 slot

[maiden flame]

Is that a decent motherboard for its price? Would there be a better one for the price?

[burnt spear]

If you want wifi, I'd probably go b550 pro vdh wifi since that one doesn't come with it

And I believe it has 2 m.2s as well

[maiden flame]

I don't need wifi

so ill prob just go for this one since it is a 100 dollars

[lyric turret]

Question how do i find out what bios version i have Bc i i dont think i got the right one or not a updated on

[hollow knot]

it will have sticker near the cpu socket.

[lyric turret]

no i mean like which one i have installed

my mobo is PRO Z690-ADDR4

[cursive epoch]

boot into the bios

[lyric turret]

alright

cant i find it under system infomation or nah

[cursive epoch]

you can, yes

[lyric turret]

says i got the BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends International, LLC. 1.10, 12/13/2021

[cursive epoch]

so that's your version

1.10

[lyric turret]

Yep and how do i find out if thats the correct one? going to my mobo website

[hollow knot]

look for bios and ur cpu

[cursive epoch]

just look at the release notes for the bios

also since your pc is working fine i doubt whatever your problem is might not be related to bios being outdated

[hollow knot]

@lyric turret as long its stable version and my cpu is working thats enough for me

[cursive epoch]

bios update is last resort to any problems

[hollow knot]

i really dont want to play around with the bios at all if i cant help it

[lyric turret]

Title
Version
Release Date
File Size

AMI BIOS
7D25v19
2022-11-09
9.28 MB

[hollow knot]

is that the stable version?

[lyric turret]

How do i find out-

i cant send pics in here or i woukd

[cursive epoch]

Um, anything that doesn't say beta should be stable version

[lyric turret]

Im under bios not drivers to

[cursive epoch]

Yes

It still applies

[lyric turret]

Im seeing if i can find my bios version under the tabs but i dont

unless this is it-AMI BIOS
7D25v10
2021-09-15
8.59 MB

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A-DDR4/support#bios

[cursive epoch]

What is your pc's problem?

[lyric turret]

i think my cpu isnt working right..

[cursive epoch]

How so?

[hollow knot]

why u think that

[lyric turret]

i did alot of tests etc, so on say apex its a cpu bound game and gpu.. when i lower grahpics it tends to be put more on my cpu and when that happens the fps is really bad

[cursive epoch]

Maybe I might be able to help and solve it without jumping into bios updating

ah that's normal lol

[lyric turret]

but also at the same i just wanna make sure my Bios is updated

[cursive epoch]

lowering graphics puts even more load on cpu

since the gpu has to work less

[vast meadow]

have you enabled xmp?

[lyric turret]

yes

[hollow knot]

put the game at 1440p or higher will make apex more gpu bound

[lyric turret]

alright

But could someone help me to see if i should update my bios or not? idk hwo outdated my version is

i built this pc in august

[cursive epoch]

You don't need to

[lyric turret]

You sure?

[cursive epoch]

Your solution is just to run high graphics

[hollow knot]

yeah unless u r getting a 4090 or something like that

[lyric turret]

i have a 6900xt

i7-12700kf

[hollow knot]

then run it at 1440p or 4k. 1080p with a 6900xt will make the game cpu bound

[lyric turret]

Yea good thing I ordered a 2k montior lol

[cursive epoch]

The bios is fine, just run high graphics and you're good

Keep the gpu working

[lyric turret]

Alright but could you see how outdated my gpu is if any

BIOS

I mean not gpu lol

[hollow knot]

when i build my pc with either 6800xt/6900xt i will run it at 4k.

[hard leaf]

just breathe pal

you are almost last gen

[hollow knot]

as long ur cpu works with ur mobo dont bother updating bios at all

[hard leaf]

if it works then dont touch it

your gpu and your cpu are not outdated

[lyric turret]

So on the website my mobo doesn’t support my cpu

[hard leaf]

then how is running?

[cursive epoch]

that's false

[hard leaf]

dudem chill

[lyric turret]

https://pangoly.com/en/compatibility/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-ddr4/cpu

[cursive epoch]

besides z690 literally launched with 12th gen

there's no way it doesn't work

[hard leaf]

if your mobo doenst support your cpu then your pc will not turn on

[lyric turret]

Oh wait that’s WiFi. Ddr4

[hard leaf]

omg

[hollow knot]

@lyric turret relax. and breathe in and out

[lyric turret]

I’m dumb my bad

[hard leaf]

dude just breather

you are overeacting

[cursive epoch]

Every B660 and Z690 boards will work with 12th gen

Even H610

Just calm down, take a breath

[lyric turret]

Oh okay

[hollow knot]

if u able to turn on ur pc then u r golden @lyric turret

[hard leaf]

your pc is fine, you are just playing on lower setting and lower resolution

your cpu will work more than your gpu on that scenario

[cursive epoch]

which just in turns hurts performance due to the game's cpu bound nature

gpu works less, cpu works harder

it's normal behavior

[hard leaf]

indeed, your gpu is a 4k oriented gpu... its largely wasted on a 1080p monitor

[cursive epoch]

cpu bottleneck is way more noticeable than gpu

since they come in the form of stutters

[hollow knot]

if u have a high end gpu like a 6900xt and u play at 1080p it will be more cpu bound higher resolution gpu bound on games than cpu bound

u basically want ur games to be gpu bound not cpu bound in ur games

[hard leaf]

ehhhh something like that but not like that

you want as little as bneck as possible

[hollow knot]

high end gpus higher resolutionn is better right @hard leaf

[hard leaf]

kinda, sometimes at 1440p you get the best gaming experience

higher resolutions means lower frames

and at 1440p you can lever both the gpu and cpu to be even

[hollow knot]

well my build i will play at 4k since i own a 4k monitor

[hard leaf]

yeah you do you

[burnt spear]

1440p 120hz >4k 60hz

[hollow knot]

4k60 is the sweet spot for my rpgs and open world games

[hard leaf]

exactly that, i will play at lower resolution but higher frame rates over 4k any day of the week

[burnt spear]

And in a lot of games even the 6900xt struggles to hit 120 fps at 4k, hell a lot of modern games won't even run it at 75

[hollow knot]

even the 40 series?

[burnt spear]

4090 easily

[hard leaf]

yeah, thats what i meant with "you do you" if you are happy playing at 60 fps to justify 4k then go for it pal

[hollow knot]

4090 is like 1500 min

[burnt spear]

4080 could probably do 120, in games that implement new dlss well it'd do 144 easily

7900xtx could do it I'd imagine

[hollow knot]

my shooters i play cod and everything else on my xbox series x

[hard leaf]

hey im not judging you, just saying that 1440p is the sweet spot for both fps and performance for the whole pc

if you are happy at 4k 60 fps then good for you 🙂

[hard leaf]

even if it does, ill plan to run mine on 1440p

not going to sacrifice fps for more pixels

👍

[amber canopy]

Your opinion sucks, fight me about it

4k glory all the way

[burnt spear]

Ok

Put em up

[amber canopy]

my opinion is valid

you know why

because i have a 4k 60hz & a 1440p 240hz

fight me

(the m27q hasnt arrived yet tho)

[vast meadow]

probably a tn panel for the 240

[amber canopy]

lol no, it isnt

[shy wyvern]

Should I clean install with a new CPU?

[grizzled bloom]

Is the only thing you're changing the CPU? Same motherboard?

If yes then no need to reinstall but if weirdness happens you might need to.

[shy wyvern]

Same motherboard and ram

I did a clean install of 11 when going to 12600k so I figured I'd ask

[vast meadow]

if just keeping same motherboard there is no need

[shy wyvern]

I think the memory controller for ddr4 on this CPU may be worse than my 12600k

Yeah ram = unhappy rn

Sa is at 1.25 vddq is at 1.45

I know these sticks are stable at these settings because of my 12600k

4000 (30x133), gear 2, 16 16 16 34

[shy wyvern]

Is it safe to raise voltages anymore than this?

Idk what to do the memory controller got worse gen over gen for ddr4 lol

[compact zenith]

Just ordered a replacement magnetic case filter fan for my Thermaltake desktop. Haven't been able to find it, ever since I swapped out the defective motherboard, and looking at footage, I think it got shipped back to Newegg when I sent the bad one back. Something on the mothetherboard or in the box attracted it. Box was put down, and later, it was boxed up and shipped back. My guess is, it's stuck to bottom of motherboard box. Thermaltake wants $45, so bought an adjustable one for $7. Adjustable is also more feasible, as I can completely cover the top, where as the original only covered 2/3 top of Case, leaving too much space for dust to get in.

[grizzled bloom]

Weird how many people have this same experience

[livid sparrow]

Anyone know what type this stuff is? https://www.newegg.com/neo-forza-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-0097-00053

[hollow thorn]

timing is pretty loose so prob like djr?

[livid sparrow]

That is what I was guessing, but I am not a ram guy, so doesn't hurt to ask

[tropic glen]

Cpu vddq should stay around 1.4v

SA can go up to 1.35

I wouldn't go over 1.3v

On sa

[tropic glen]

I ran at a locked 300fps with a 12700k and 6900xt

Both with manually tuned bdie ddr4 dual rank and m die ddr5 single rank

[arctic tide]

planning on upgrading my 7600k + maximus ix hero mobo to something newer, any suggestions under 300?

i saw that the 5600x is on sale for 150, is that a good idea?

[eternal helm]

5600 non x will save you a few bucks

Like 2% slower than 5600x, hardly bigger than margin of error, nothing noticeable at all

[hollow knot]

5600 on amazon for 118 wont arrive at least til january

[eternal helm]

Dang

5600x works then, or may be able to fit the 5700x in if you want more cores depending on what you do

[hollow knot]

its why im probably either getting it from newegg for 136 or get 5700x for 198

im building some time in december im not waiting a month just so i could save 18 bucks

[arctic tide]

mostly doing gamedev, blender, and gaming

5600 probably works then at 142

dont feel like waiting till january lol

[hollow knot]

@arctic tide u chose what mobo?

[arctic tide]

nothing yet, still need to decide

coming from a mobo with like 10 usb ports lmao

[hollow knot]

im getting gigabyte elite b550 ax v2 for 150 newegg. wifi board. 2 m2 drives only 1 run at pci 4.0x4.

[arctic tide]

oh wait the 5600 is cheaper on newegg?

[hollow knot]

a few bucks

[arctic tide]

awesdome

any other discounts or bundles that are worth it?

im planning on upgrading ram too

[hollow knot]

4 ryzen cpus i would go 3600mhz ram

[arctic tide]

ah man the newegg one is backordered?

[hollow knot]

2x16gb g skill ripjaws series v 3600mhz for 85

newegg also 3200 version is same price

@arctic tide what r ur needs for ur mobo upgrade?

[arctic tide]

wdym?

like mobo specs

[hollow knot]

do u need wifi or multiple m2 drives running at pcie 4.0

m2 heatsinks

[arctic tide]

oh ive got ethernet, 1 m.2 and 1 sata drive at 4.0 rn

mainly just want usb ports lol

ik i can get a pci card or something for that but i dont really want to

[hollow knot]

how many back ports do u need on mobo

for usb

[arctic tide]

rn im using 9 lol

[hollow knot]

do u use all of them

[arctic tide]

yep

[hollow knot]

then i have no clue for mobos with huge amount of usb outlets. i have 4 or 6 usb slots on pc i barely use more than 1 which is usb dongle to my wireless keyboard and mouse combo. another maybe to my portable hd.

[hollow knot]

how r u able to use all of them?

[arctic tide]

carefully

alright so i’ve got keyboard, mouse, vr headset, monitor usb hub, iphone cable, wifi, bluetooth

oh and webcam and mic

[hollow knot]

@arctic tide try x570 chipsets some mobo has upto 8 usb slots on motherboard plus whatever on the case

[arctic tide]

ooh i’ll see

[hollow knot]

why do u need iphone cable to pc. its a lot slower than to power outlet?

@arctic tide https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-x570s-aero-g/p/N82E16813145324

[arctic tide]

oh it’s for data transfer as well

[hollow knot]

get a wifi mobo and most modern boards should have bluetooth included

[arctic tide]

that’s a good point lmao

probably better than my 10 year old wifi adapter

[hollow knot]

try this https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-x570s-aero-g/p/N82E16813145324 wifi board 8 usb slots on mobo plus whatever on case

[arctic tide]

it looks great but it might be too expensive

any suggestions around 150?

[vast meadow]

Do you already have an am4 cpu tomato?

[arctic tide]

i do not

planning on buying a 5600

going from an intel 7600k

[vast meadow]

Ah okay, what requirements you looking for?

[boreal pewter]

Hello - I am purchasing a 13600k with a asus z690 prime-p

I do not own a 12 gen cpu. Is there a way to flash the bios without the cpu installed or will I have to take it into the shop?

[hollow knot]

should have bios flashback button

[hollow thorn]

Doesn't seem like it has bios flashback

[boreal pewter]

hey thanks for the response, I was looking at pictures of the motherboard I/O panel and it appears as if this model doesn't have that

[hollow thorn]

Microcenter offers updating the bios for you for like 20$, you can loan a CPU from someone, or buy a cheap pentium for it and flash using that

[hollow knot]

i really thought most modern mobo have bios flashback

[hollow thorn]

Asus is wacky

MSI generally has it, gigabyte too

[dull flint]

Instead of z690 prime-p, you could get msi* z690 pro-a if that's an option

[hollow thorn]

MSI neat

[boreal pewter]

@hollow thorn can you recommend the cheap pentium cpu - I haven't been on intel since 8th gen and I am a bit unfamiliar

[dull flint]

It's usually the cheaper bios flash z board, it's also a very high quality board despite the looks

The vrms on it are incredibly good

[boreal pewter]

thanks for the suggestion, I have already bought the bundle without doing my due dillegence. I will prob have to take it into the local computer shop and hope they have the cpu. I don't live in the city so micro center is no where near me

[dull flint]

Ah it was a bundle? I see

Yeah a local pc shop should handle the bios update

[boreal pewter]

I can't get the pc to post without the cpu installed right? I mean I've never tried it Im just assuming that's the case

[dull flint]

Yes

It'll get stuck on the cpu post light

[boreal pewter]

Ah this is what you get for being a cheap ass

[dull flint]

Nah this is marketing at work

They'll sell you a decent bundle or set but they won't know themselves if it works

80+ gold is a favourite for marketing

When in reality 80+ gold doesn't really mean much at all for quality lol

[boreal pewter]

I've been on a Ryzen 3900x for 3 years or so, I was really impressed with what I saw with the 13600k. I didn't want to go the DDR5 route just yet so I found a affordable z690 board without really thinking about the fact that the platform just launched and the mobo's that are being sold are most likely back stock and haven't been flashed

[dull flint]

There's a chance they could be flashed but chances are not, and it's better to be safer than sorry

[boreal pewter]

In your opinion do you think that using the 13600k on a z690 board will limit preformance or features? I'm not really all that concerned about single digit performance %'s

[dull flint]

Z690 won't limit it at all

The differences between z690 and z790 in your case is simply more USB ports

Only ddr5 z790 has had some improvements in memory compatibility so that doesn't apply to your case

[vast meadow]

Honestly shout out to gigabyte they seem to have flashback on all their b660s even ds3h and gaming x

[vast meadow]

This should do nicely
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tr4Ycf/msi-pro-b550m-vc-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-pro-b550m-vc-wifi

[burnt spear]

A lot of msi b660s don't

[dull flint]

And they really should. I look forward to the day when post codes become standard then motherboards would be a lot easier to work with

[burnt spear]

I think the tomahawk does, and the mortar might

[vast meadow]

Mortar b660 def doesn't

[vast meadow]

Eh that's not as important to me tbh but yeah nice feature

Never needed one tho

[dull flint]

When something is seriously wrong it helps a lot

Instead of like, diagnosing no video or something else less specific you can tell what the pc is doing

[vast meadow]

Just don't let that happen

[dull flint]

Asking the techie to try not test the limits smh

What is this, the Newegg server?

smhmh

[hollow thorn]

MSI been lacking on b660, Gigabyte has been good, but both have flashback on all their z690 boards that I know

[dull flint]

Would def pick msi for z's tho ngl lol

Gigabyte hasn't done that well for memory performance on lga1700

[hollow thorn]

this might be the cheapest compatible chip
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1675549-REG/intel_bx80715g6900_celeron_g6900_desktop_processor.html

[vast meadow]

Nono test the limits just don't screw up the system lol

Skill issue smh

[arctic tide]

is that a pretty good motherboard?

idk anything about amd lmao would it overclock

[vast meadow]

Yeah but on ryzen you don't want to manually overclock, you're better off using precision boost overdrive (pbo)

[arctic tide]

oh

is that like an automatic overclock?

oh and will that motherboard do it

[dull flint]

It's the safe way to do it

[vast meadow]

It's basically just like better more aggressive boosting but yeah

[arctic tide]

oh got it

[arctic tide]

what’s the fastest gpu i could reasonably use with a 5600

without bottlenecks

[burnt spear]

4080 at 4k

3090 at 1440p

And there's always a bottleneck

It's impossible for there not to be