cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

mhm

seconded

[hard leaf]

reseat the cpu, maybe that will help

most of the time work

[naive pendant]

still nothing

[cursive epoch]

probably ded cpu

[naive pendant]

Was working perfectly fine 2 or 3 days ago

will try a different cpu soon if that's the case then

[grizzled bloom]

If it was left switched on during the flood it's possible a surge killed parts. In which case the power supply and maybe motherboard would need replacing.

[cursive epoch]

^

[compact zenith]

Don't know what games your playing, but it hit me earlier, Steam is chock full of games, many Terraria type clones, that are still in Early Access stage, with very bad memory management. They not only freeze up ports, they also stick in memory, despite being closed down. For example, one I have been beta testing that's now under a new name that's multiplayer and was called OutWorlder, that will one day blow StarBound out of the Skye, had some serious issues with my older Z390 where despite being shut down, had portions of it still stuck running, as it was using both NVME and spindle drives, and data that constantly would read and write, bottle necked. That's why when people closed the game, then reloaded it, were unable to connect to the server. It was still trying to catch up from the previous load, and shutting the PC down while it was still writing, destroyed that specific game. Even worse last year if it was saving to one drive. Last year one drive acted similar to a CD writer, and would reindex the entire folder, just to save one file. Shut the PC off while writing to one drive, lost you the entire folder. Not sure what was done since last year, but do know, shortly before my 3 new Z690 builds, haven't had one drive data loss at all. Haven't looked yet to see what was done, but I'd highly advise, if you were playing other games prior to the one your running now, check with task manager, to see if any segments are still running, and either wait for them to complete, or if your sure they aren't writing important data, either end them or reboot the computer.

[frosty depot]

idk about the other stuff, but there is a bat file made by a very wonderful Techie of this server (albiet doesn't have title because some mods are mongs) that can flush the ram of stuck stuff.

[compact zenith]

The game I'm beta testing, takes advantage of both cores and memory management. When I plugged my kids 32Gb ram into my PC already sporting two 32x16, not only did it crash my PC, the game server made changes to make use of the extra ram, but never fully wrote the new info, so had to revert from a backup, as both data and config corrupted due to being crashed during write process.

[compact zenith]

If it's safe, I'd love to see it.

I do a lot of beta testing, and something that can do that, without me having to reboot my server in mid test would be a life saver.

That is, if I can actually get a cmd window open if it's not a fatal system crash.

Something else I just found out today when making a backup, the new pro licenses, seems to have installed Windows server. Is this now an included part of windows 11?

I been using Apache and MySQL for years, and avoided Microsofts version for a long time as long ago, when I went to try it, screwed my system up badly as it couldn't handle their server. The lag it generated, was so bad, had to use NTI backup to restore from a two month old backup, which taught me a lesson to backup often, like daily lol.

[frosty depot]

get my DM?

[compact zenith]

Long before Terraria, Minecraft, and even Final Fantasy, I only liked the Ultima series. Richard Garriott used to yell at me, often, because of the cheats I'd post on Q-Link and prodigy. I stopped when Ultima Online was announced. Oh sorry Reorixst, I'll go check.

Thanks. Got to love remote file transfer. Grab almost anything anywhere, then send it to my server.

Actually, I sorta stopped posting my cheats when they hired me lol. My boss always joked he hired me to shut me up.

I was a bit of a troll, before we even knew what trolls were back then.

[robust hare]

do i need a new mmother board if imm changing to 7900x fromm 5600x

[compact zenith]

If the motherboard is over two years old, then I'd say yes.

[cerulean wadi]

7000 series is all a new socket, so yes.

[compact zenith]

Like your avatar chillin. It looks like a bad arse Owl, but it also looks like two owls going head to head. Not bad.

[cerulean wadi]

A wolf, but that's a cool interpretation. I think the same sometimes. That's the thing about perspective.

[compact zenith]

Sorry, I am half legally blind lol. No joke.

When I code, I have to use a full screen TV as a monitor to see what Im doing.

[cerulean wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/bubbles-nunchakus-bubbles-gif-19798538

[compact zenith]

Is that from breaking bad?

[cerulean wadi]

Bubbles. Trailer park boys I think it is. His glasses are hilarious.

[compact zenith]

OMG, my wife loves that show. Mostly because it has the actor from the 70s show.

Seen a few myself. That ex cop always gets karma in the end heh.

[robust hare]

thx

[compact zenith]

I haven't even finished setting up my new system the way it should be, because once I found the 2018 file history, been doing nothing, but restoring all my old work I thought long lost, so just restore it to new location, and come back a few hours later. 3:44 am saw someone start a petition to stop David Tennant coming back, and went to see if it gained any traction. See no sign of it's existence lol. I musta missed something good.

Sorta funny when someone posts something they think everyone else will follow, to get flamed outa existence. I made posts like that myself over the years. I tend to leave them for the karma I gained.

[amber canopy]

Reddit 💀

[compact zenith]

Yup. Few years ago, they had some update that caused my account to split into two, same name, and a pain to switch between. Asked a mod why they deleted an article of mine, to have it thrown back in my face, showing me it wasn't deleted, which was when I discovered the split account issue. By time I caught on to it, didn't want to delete either of them as both have mega karma built up, not an easy thing to do, so made another Windows log in, so I can switch between the two, and not have to log out and lose the thread.

One of the things Im subscribed to, are the Starbound groups. Been making mods for a while, yet when it comes to code you can just paste in game, I can't for the life of me make heads or tales of what it does.

[grizzled bloom]

Lol my best reddit post was a TIFU. Figures, people enjoy my pain.

[compact zenith]

Two discords I belong to, actually made channels for my stories. It's mine boggling when things you feel should go viral and don't, yet sneeze wrong and find it upvotes 4k times. Go figure lol.

[burnt spear]

Are there any plus sides of getting a b660 tomahawk wifi over z690-a wifi at pretty much the same price if you don't care about cpu oc?

Both about $150

As far as I can tell there's no reason not to get the z690 for the same price

[vast meadow]

Get the z690 ye

The pro gets you an extra m.2 and they're both showing at like 215 for me? Unless you're talking used

[burnt spear]

Amazon warehouse is where I'm looking

I kinda wanna wait for z690 a pro to be at 120 there again tho

not in a rush to buy tho, I'm gonna be buying cpu in like 2 weeks

so I'll just keep an eye on prices till then

follow up question, is the 13600k harder on vrms than a 12600k?

or is it about the same

[vast meadow]

Should be bout same

Anyway z690 a pro is plenty

[burnt spear]

oh fs, just wondering for if i see a good deal on a cheaper b660 like m-a

I'm not too concerned with ocing, it'd be nice to have for if I want to but it's not high on priorities for me

[sturdy veldt]

hey guys

i got a question regarding some ram i want to buy but not sure which one

[burnt spear]

shoot

[sturdy veldt]

okay thx well

i got a Ryzen 7 3700x and my motherboard is a Asrock B550 i want 2 stick of 16 i just dont know what to buy tbh

i am kinda confused

[burnt spear]

What country?

[sturdy veldt]

Canada

[burnt spear]

have you alr bought the 3700x?

[sturdy veldt]

yup its in my system

[burnt spear]

kk, I'd get this then https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PJ6qqs/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd432g3600hc18jdc01

[sturdy veldt]

awesome thx for the info

is the 3700 a bad cpu haha ?

[burnt spear]

nah, just normally not worth the price it goes for now

[sturdy veldt]

ahh okay i see

[burnt spear]

since 5600 is normally cheaper and has the same multi core score while having much better single core

[sturdy veldt]

oh okay

i was looking for the Corsair with RGB since its on sale

for the ram

[burnt spear]

I wouldn't get corsair ram, one sec

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/P7RYcf/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf3d432g3600hc18jdc01

[vast meadow]

If corsairs the cheapest it's a decent choice

[burnt spear]

that's cheaper though i believe

[vast meadow]

I didn't look just sayin

[sturdy veldt]

alright i think im gonna go with the rgb TForce thx alot for the info guys

thx for you time Bacca

[compact zenith]

Got to check out my co workers HP system tomorrow. From what they described, think the whole thing is fried. They were using their USB ports to charge tasers, and one of them obviously broke, and arched through the USB port. Speaker screeches, upon power up. No error codes. That's a pretty expensive accident.

[hollow knot]

why are they charging tasers on a pc to begin with. it would be better through an outlet

[compact zenith]

If I would hap Hazzard a guess, they most likely are those cheap keychain ones. I can easily see someone going home, being lazy and just plugging it into the PC when going online.

[hollow knot]

when im thinking tasers im thinking the ones that cops or security guards carry

[compact zenith]

Problem with those, people keep them in their pockets, sweat sinks in over time, and eventually you get a short.

Ones police carry, use a heavy duty charger, not USB.

Reminds me of this wierd plug in air oxidizer my mom purchased in late 80s. Put it on top of the Atari 2600 sitting on the TV, plugged it in, and it fried both the game console and the television.

[compact zenith]

Youd smell this ozone smell, and power arched when it came close to any electronic item.

Anyways, just found out they are using a 24gb RTX import that they spent $400 on? Didn't even know such a thing existed.

I take it back. If I got my hands on an RtX, especially with RGB import, I'd spend the $400, even if I didn't yet have a use for it lol. 24gb, that's quite useful.

Shoot, wrong channel.

[naive pendant]

Yo I gotta question, does the A320M/ac work with a ryzen 5 5500? Im looking to upgrade and google is making it difficult to figure it out.

*or 5600g

[bronze summit]

Hi

[cursive epoch]

it does, with bios update

but i would do with 5600 instead

[naive pendant]

5600g or 5600x or just 5600?

and thank you!

[cursive epoch]

plain 5600

[naive pendant]

alright

[cursive epoch]

5600x offers nearly the same perf as 5600 but for more money

[naive pendant]

yeah

[cursive epoch]

the 5600g has igpu, but it's got half the cache

so it performs more like a 3600

[naive pendant]

ahh okay

[cursive epoch]

5500 is the same case

5600g with no igpu

[naive pendant]

mhm

i dont need the igpu but half the cache doesnt sound good

[cursive epoch]

yep

it hurts perf by quite a margin

[naive pendant]

yeah

alright well thank you!

[burnt spear]

$120 z690 a pro on warehouse

yay or nay @hard leaf

[flint parrot]

Does the MSI MPG Z590 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1200 Motherboard support a E typed m.2 pcie wifi card

[grizzled bloom]

Not without an adapter, all the M.2 slots are M key and E key doesn't fit.

[flint parrot]

How can I tell if it will work with a motherboard without a adapter

[hard leaf]

ill do it, you will have your cpu in a week anyway

[burnt spear]

alr bought it, so glad we agree

[hard leaf]

120 is a steal for a z690

[burnt spear]

just gonna wait like 2 weeks to buy cpu though

just bc i like to keep my bank at a certain number

[hard leaf]

man, im happy for you

finally your build is coming together

👍

[burnt spear]

you'll be the first to get the dms about either everything going wrong or the pics of the finished build

[hard leaf]

looking forward for the assembly video as well, im sure felix and pato will be happy for it as well

[burnt spear]

i actually gotta figure out how im gonna record it

don't have a tripod or anything like that

maybe i'll just turn a laptop around and use the webcam lmao

[hard leaf]

any shelf can double as a tripod 😛

[grizzled bloom]

If you're shopping for a board a lot of them include wifi cards, look for AC, AX, or wifi in the model name.
If you specifically need an E key slot there's a filter on pcpartpicker for "M.2 Slots (E)".

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#m2E=1

[flint parrot]

Thanks

[pale fox]

hey so I have a pc but i am not too sure what my mobo is but I have a serial number if anyone could help me out: DBE17110010350330D30A1

[grizzled bloom]

Press windows key+R and enter dxdiag. Your motherboard model is listed as "system model".
There's nothing we can do with a serial number.

[hollow knot]

Between gigabyte b550 elite v2 and elite v2 ax models i already have a wifi pci card and have a sata ssd that i wanted to install from old pc which would be a better choice

[compact zenith]

If they converted a 13th series I9 system, into tubes and components like they used over 75 years ago, could you imagine how much space would be needed?

Wonder if Newegg would still offer free shipping on a system like that lol.

[grizzled bloom]

You mean the vacuum tube computers that took up literally the entire room and had the computing power of a calculator that can only add/subtract?

[compact zenith]

And play chess.

[compact zenith]

Actually, thought they took up an entire building.

Brb, need to fact check something.

Sort of a let down, when one discovers years later, what they taught you in school, wasn't correct at all. Well, not exactly not correct, but mixed history thrown into one lesson.

[grizzled bloom]

It was a very large room, like a small warehouse type room. Or an entire basement at a university, also a large room.

[compact zenith]

When I was a kid, and saw the repair bill for fixing my family's TV in the 70s, and RCA TV, my neighbor who was an engineer showed me these huge green books he'd let me use, to order the correct vacuum tubes and at 8 I'd do our TV repairs. When I was 14, and my bulky moniter blew a fuse, was the first time I realized, tubes were no longer used.

$78 to replace a vacuum tube. Buying three of the same tubes that would burn out often, was 3 for $8

I was about 9 when I learned the hard way, those sets can still give you a very bad shock, even when unplugged. Heck, still have a small scar from that burn to this very day. My father and neighbor gave me one hell of a lecture too.

[compact zenith]

The size in components changed a lot since the 70s. Tubes to semi conductors, semiconductors to surface mounts, then surface mounts dropped drastically in size.

Just about everything I learned in the early 80s is useless today, unless repairing an old gaming system or TV.

At least a meter still has it's uses 😅

One thing I don't mind, even with inflation, was building 3 new systems at what I would have paid for just one 20 years ago.

[compact zenith]

Crazy question. If I have 2x32, can I get away using only one memory slot, and loan my other to my daughter? Not to familiar with memory slots of this time, and remember 15 years ago trying to do similar with an older Asus motherboard caused the memory stick to fry, just plugging one in.

This is DDR5 ram btw.

[dull flint]

you can

[compact zenith]

Thanks Felix.

Just ordered new ram today, so until then, I can at least loan her one of mine.

[dull flint]

you could technically just do that from here onwards because the architecture of DDR5 is more forgiving to use 1 ram stick vs. 1 ram stick on ddr4

[compact zenith]

I'd like to see some DDR 5 2x64 one day.

[dull flint]

probably will happen eventually

[compact zenith]

My Z390 is ddr4, and 4x32. Or shoot, 4x16, need to check. That build was long before I found out it's not a good idea to use all 4 slots. Come to think of it, I have an older board with 6 slots. Prior to the I7 Series.

[dull flint]

z390 doesn't have the same issues as z690

z390 is fine with 4 sticks

[compact zenith]

Think it's the ASUS p6758D pro. Don't take my word on it. I'd have to look in my storage of older motherboards.

[dull flint]

4 stick compatibility is specifically a first-gen ddr5 problem rn

[compact zenith]

I been looking at the DDR5 ram, and it looks like the RGB type are the ones that fail more often, at least the T-Force ones.

The Corsair Dominator RGB 2x32, doesn't give me any ram errors/issues, but often enough, if I reboot instead of powering down completely, the RGB locks up, and have to shut down completely, or software won't see the ram to effect the RGB.

When I go to clean the Z390, that's going to be a nightmare. The fan I got was supposed to be mothetherboard controllable, but turned out not to be. Most likely why NewEgg yanked it after a short time. I can't reach the fans release lever, as it's below the ram sticks, and forgot there is something blocking the release by the fan.

Will take a few pics later, and post them.

Unlike the big square bulky fan, this is round like a merry go round.

Brb

https://www.newegg.com/tronwire-tw-12/p/13C-009Y-00004?item=9SIAGTU9ME7417

That's just sickening. $15 now. Paid $80 few years back. That lever is not reachable.

Sort of like how the bulky RTX lever can't be reached on my Aorus Z690, at least the Z690 I was able to use a cut up mouse pad to protect my board to get the card out, and swap out the NVME. The Z390 and that fan, it's going to be a nightmare removing.

Those fans were an annoyance to install, but once in, good luck getting them out heh.

Actually, I plan tossing that fan once I remove it for a proper fan when I clean the old thermal paste up. The clip wires are exposed, so I can just snip those safely, and no risk damaging the ram or board.

[hard leaf]

[compact zenith]

Ravel, I might actually get a series 13 Z790 and I9. My wife likes my system so wants me to build her the same thing, so told her I'll swap my case with hers, just switch the doors off as we have same glass case, and I sure as heck don't want Naruto and hello kitty stickers on my doors. Then I'll just replace the motherboard, ram, and CPU. Oh, must remember to keep my NVME drives lol

Ravel, how is it almost every time Im writing a long message to you, you reply out of nowhere before I even finish typing lol.

[hard leaf]

magic

[compact zenith]

Oh, crud, add another PSU to the list. Totally forgot, my wife's case has a GameMax installed. She refused to let me replace it.

I just hope the platinum EVGA drops to $199 again.

[hard leaf]

just joking... felix told me to come here to annoy you by cutting in half your train of thought

[dull flint]

did I?

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

[compact zenith]

That would only work if I was actually on my computer. You see, when I'm typing with my phone, the keyboard blocks the screen so don't see a word until I hit send lol. Sort of a pain when you have several mods telling you to change the subject lol.

[compact zenith]

This is how I feel at the moment. Can't even look at a computer screen. Think I got the flu, and it's like having the worst of hangovers, without ever having the benefits.

Oh, that's why I can't do the same emojis you all post. I don't have nitro this second half. Discord charged me twice, and kept saying posted means a hold, 40 days later, so bank fixed it, they ended Nitro, then bank reversed the correct one too. Then got apology much much later, and haven't bothered to renew. When I do, I'll boost over here if it's not maxed out yet.

And yes I will definitely renew. I'm tired of getting red text warnings my messages are too big heh.

[long geyser]

Just export as txt file and never get Nitro

Tho dont think mobile has an option to do that automatically

[compact zenith]

Most likely can if I use one of my rooted phones. One of my banks, require I use their windows software, or their android application, when logging in, and they purposely disable screenshots on the Android devices, so I make sure to have at least two rooted devices so I can screenshot regardless. Especially when I pay off my credit cards fully, and they try using the float pay excuse to charge late fees. Twice this year they had to refund interest and their $39 late fees, when I sent them screenshots.

[long geyser]

Cant just export Bank Statement as PDF and screenshot that?
(edit: or just give raw PDF)

[hollow knot]

R intel gpus garbage?

[burnt spear]

I wouldnt exactly recommend one to most people atm

[vast meadow]

And highly depends on the games , like direct x 12 and vulkan games run pretty good (when the drivers aren't being buggy) but anything that's not those 2 runs terrible, for example in csgo the a770 and 12900k(or 7950x) is about the same as a 780 ti with a 4770k fps wise

[compact zenith]

Bank statement will only show when it's posted, not when they actually got paid, which is why it's important to screenshot the day they get paid, as good banks give a printable Reciept. Disreputable ones don't, show a HTML that can't be printed, then replace it with the day they choose to post it. Syncrany is notorious for that, plus when you select payoff, meaning the entire loan, it's important to check after. They almost always generate a few cents interest, like 18 cents, then if you don't see it, thinking you paid the loan off, they hit you with a $29 to $39 late fee. Hence I use my rooted phone to capture everything, as it overides the screenshot disabling feature.

[shell igloo]

can anyone help me with trying to make a motherboard post? ive a pc with an asus x79 deluxe w/ 4930k and 32gb (4x8) ddr3, one day it was left on when i was away for a week, when i came to it, it had power but no display, once powered off and "cooled" it works. but later on it would just wont post, ive checked gpu and ram. if i do single sticks it would have the pc post but inconsistent, each stick was tested 3 times. ive thrown everything onto a intel dx79to, the cpu has no dirty pads or anything, same thing with the intel board, no post

[compact zenith]

Does the speaker beep any warnings?

[shell igloo]

nope

the little number thing doesnt spit anything

on the intel nor asus board

ive checked the intel board if i bent the pins, still straight pins

also been tested with 2 power supplies

[compact zenith]

So you basically power on, and don't get a bios boot screen? Nothing?

[shell igloo]

ive cleared cmos battery too

[shell igloo]

powers on, no bios boot screen

[compact zenith]

How many hard drives you have?

[shell igloo]

the pc had 3 hard drives

im currently testing with no drives rn

[compact zenith]

No drives at all, not even 1? Check all USB ports too. Even a thumb drive plugged in can stop some older systems posting.

[shell igloo]

the only usb ports occpied are a mouse and keyboard

its sitting on a box to test, it isnt in a case

cpu fan is plugged in if you're wondering

a gpu that is verified to be working is in the system too

[compact zenith]

My son's old Asus p5w deluxe wouldn't post. Spent 3 hours on it to find a little silver item he forgot he put in the back of the PC which was a 64gb thumb drive. Was so small, looked like it was part of the system. Once removed, system posted. A bad hard drive also stops posting, with no error beeping.

Something else you can try, in case one of the cases USB ports are shorting out. Start disconnecting the cases USB cables and see if that clears up the issue.

[shell igloo]

but the motherboard isnt in a case at the moment

when i've disassembled the pc, it never had a usb drive or anything small like that

[compact zenith]

Wait, you have all the parts outside the case, connected? Do you even have a case? One of two things I can think of. One, something under the board shorting it, or because it's not in a case, it's not properly grounded, and a safety is kicking in.

[shell igloo]

when it stop functioning, it was in a case. ive swapped the cpu and ram to a different motherboard

and it still in the same state

i believe its grounded just fine, its on top of a motherboard box

ill put the motherboard in the case and see what happens

wait

the intel dx79to doesnt support the cpu currently installed....

why would a intel board with a x79 chipset wouldnt support the same cpus as an aib x79 motherboard

[amber canopy]

probably an out of date bios

Those intel X79 boards are a mess

[shell igloo]

yeah i just checked online for a compability check

atleast im the one who didnt pay $100 for a old motherboard

😎

[shell igloo]

so

back into the asus motherboard

it decides to work now

[amber canopy]

what was the original issue?

[shell igloo]

no clue

it stop posting after being left on for a week

then it inconsistently worked

by black screening after some usage

[compact zenith]

Sorry @shell igloo . My due process server just showed up, and have to jet for a bit. I'll be back in a bit. Forgot to say bbl. Bad habit of mine.

[shell igloo]

eh the pc works for now, you're probably right about usb ports shorting

[flint parrot]

So I can use any board that has WIFI in the name to connect to wifi

[compact zenith]

Back. My server was being kept from the building, so go figure I go with him, and they give zero problems lol.

[compact zenith]

When it comes to old cases, the first to short out is usually the audio and Mike jacks. Then over time dirt, dust, and oxidation kills the USB ports, causing shorts. If your good with a soldering iron, they normally are easy to replace.

[compact zenith]

New NVMEs came today, just need to wait for the replacement ram.

Went with 32x2 this time like my system. Bought two sets.

Timings may be a little slower, but rather give up a little speed for reliability.

Corsair Dominator.

[amber canopy]

🤓

[compact zenith]

From my notice I thought that was a 6gb NVME, but logging in, see it's a ram stick. I keep forgetting, some of you have vast collections of these. Isn't collecting baseball cards and garbage pail kid stickers, a cheaper hobby?

[amber canopy]

well i do something with ram besides have it

and I generally sell the DIMMs that are obsolete

[compact zenith]

Actually, after I saw today's prices on two packs, that's a big no at being cheaper lol.

[amber canopy]

yea i got 3 of these dimms for 23 total

its really not that expensive

DDR3 is pretty cheap a lot of the time, even for good dimms

[compact zenith]

I remember bringing my kids to their first computer show, and warning them to be careful of what they say. Pointed out a set of generic ram, that was marked $28, and made up a story on how desperate we were to get ram for her desktop, that just happened to need that ram on display. Vendor quotes her +$200 more. We didn't need the ram, was just trying to show my kids they need to be careful at these shows. Learned something that day. That my daughter knew some very inappropriate curse words in Spanish.

[amber canopy]

💀

[compact zenith]

Stuff kids learn in 3rd grade lol.

Was about 6ths months before she built her first system. That ASUS p57 pro gamer.

Or was that p67. Shoot, got to look.

She did everything except connect five cables. The cables built into the case were not only not marked, they had nothing to stop them getting plugged in wrong. Like the HD audio and USB, that I had to tripple check and meter out just to make sure.

[shy wyvern]

I'm tempted to make a super cheap media PC with 3600 + GTX 1050 + 8 GB of ram rn, it would cost like $275 total

[amber canopy]

😍 😍 😍

[compact zenith]

That happy shopper seller is a scam artist, abusing the market place. They used Amazon to drop ship a cheap item, just to get a completed tracking. Before Amazon took it back, they weighed the box with similar size, and weight came at 3 ounces. Definitely not Dominator ram.

[compact zenith]

If that was a Z790, with that many ram slots, I'd fill each one, with 1x32, no matter what anyone told me lol.

I take it this is another mothetherboard your adding to your collection?

[amber canopy]

I dont really "collect" motherboards tbh. Every motherboard I buy it's because it will be used

For overclocking

My x299 OCF, this black edition, my x99 edition 10. all my primary overclocking boards for their respective platforms

My x99 extreme6 is what's in my daily

I do sorta collect memory though. It's not as irresponsible for me compared to do the same with motherboards since DDR3 is so cheap, relatively speaking.

I dont collect useless memory though. I sell stuff that's obsolete

[compact zenith]

That MB from Russia? The name sort of hints to it, then there is the single file molex power connect, not double like Im used to seeing.

You always seem to post interesting boards. Ones that I can't even locate a place for an NVME.

[amber canopy]

From russia? no? why do you ask lol

[amber canopy]

this board was from before nvme was on motherboards. next generation had nvme.

technically X79 boards support nvme but it's not official

that's why a lot of chinese "x79" boards have nvme slots

[compact zenith]

I was guessing Russia, because of the Republic in its name. But I keep forgetting, other countries use the same title.

[amber canopy]

thats just branding lol

[compact zenith]

Sounds better too. For some reason, The United of Gamers just doesn't sound right lol.

[amber canopy]

lol

i did order this today actually... lol

it was so cheap i had to

[compact zenith]

I bet I could add NVME to my old p6x58d Asus motherboard, just adding a card with support.

I really need glasses. I thought it said $5 at first.

[grizzled bloom]

Hope you enjoy running DDR5 at 4400

[amber canopy]

well hey what if it was quad channel 🤓

[grizzled bloom]

Is there a quad channel Z790 though?

[amber canopy]

not as far as i know lol

[compact zenith]

I noticed the dual CPU boards seem to be fazed out.

[amber canopy]

which socket?

[compact zenith]

Been like 10 years since I seen one. Can't recall the Pentium chip, but can say it was right before the I series we have now.

Think it was Pentium IV.

[amber canopy]

there's still plenty of dual socket boards

its jus ta matter of whether or not the CPUs support dual socket configs lol

[compact zenith]

When I worked geeksquad, I got a call that a customer couldn't install his OS on one properly. Told him to bring it in and I'd take a look. I assumed he meant windows, but was Linux, which I have zero knowledge.

Another tech took over, but that was the first time I saw one.

[rocky beacon]

$65!

[hollow knot]

what is a good b550 mobo with wifi

[amber canopy]

exactly

[rocky beacon]

That is insane, I hope it's legit.

[amber canopy]

apparently it's been dropped off already and in transit

[grizzled bloom]

Dual Epyc is still a thing. Makes for insane servers.

The pathetic, outdated X299 uses it too. Still waiting on Intel's new xeons.

[amber canopy]

I dont think there are dual socket LGA2066 boards

intel used lga2066 as their HEDT/workstation platform and lga3647 for their server/workstation stuff

3175X chad cpu

[hollow knot]

which motherboard should i get between 570 and 550 amd chipsets

[amber canopy]

x79

[hollow knot]

whats x79

[amber canopy]

@mild jackal

[amber canopy]

you must seek enlightenment

[mild jackal]

You know those crazy people that try and talk to you on the subway? That's this guy.

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-laugh-crazy-car-close-up-gif-12180194

[dull flint]

What's a X99

Sounds painful

[undone parrot]

would a tower heatsink suffice for a ryzen 7 5700x?

[dull flint]

Yes

Leaving it stock, no problem for a single tower

[undone parrot]

ok bro ty

[hollow knot]

should i get a 550 or 570 motherboard for a 5600 and 6900xt setup

[dull flint]

Whichever is cheaper

Namely for 5600, one with bios flash button

So Asus Prime B450m-A II or MSI B550M Pro VDH Wifi

Specifically

[grizzled bloom]

B550, the VRM design is newer and you don't have to worry about a chipset fan failing

[dull flint]

Need bios flash first for a 5600

[grizzled bloom]

Yes, either use an older model CPU to flash or get one with flashback

[hollow knot]

my friend was confusing the hell out of me between 570 and 550

[grizzled bloom]

Very few people need the extras from X570

[hollow knot]

im getting gigabyte elite v2 ax. had to change mobo since mom wants my old pc with wifi card inside

[cerulean wadi]

570 mainly just more pcie lanes. 570s is the fanless, but indeed 550 is plenty.

[grizzled bloom]

X570S 💰

[hollow knot]

just need 1 nvme and a hdd and thats about it for me

[grizzled bloom]

B550 is plenty for you then.

X570 is good for dual GPU or hardware RAID on nvme

[hollow knot]

hdd is for movies and shows plus any game that is under a gig in size dont deserve to be put on nvme

[dull flint]

Really any board that supports your chip will work for your needs, it just needs the right bios

5600 is minimum tdp chip

[hollow knot]

i thought gigabyte states that their mobo 550s will work with amd 5000 series out of the box

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah even the cheapo ones with no heatsinks would work

[dull flint]

Not all 5000 series chips came out at the same time

5600 released much later than the others

[grizzled bloom]

That applies to the first runs, the 5600 and 5700X came out a few months ago

[dull flint]

So no, it's not expected to work out of the box with any board

[hollow knot]

i didnt realize that

[dull flint]

Some people have told me boards often ship now with the right bios but I really doubt it

[grizzled bloom]

That's why I take a "better safe than sorry" approach and have a plan for if it isn't right

[dull flint]

You never know if you find a board that's been kept away in stock for a lonnggggg time

[hollow knot]

how will i know if the board will work with 5600 out of the bix once it gets to my place

[dull flint]

By picking one of these two ^

They have a feature that lets you update bios without needing the cpu to work

A.k.a a bios flash button

[hollow knot]

gigabyte has the same thing

[grizzled bloom]

Q-flash button yeah

Not all boards have it, pay attention to models

My midrange X570 doesn't have it

[hollow knot]

which will be better buy a wifi card or a mobo with wifi?

[vast meadow]

Depends on prices etc

[grizzled bloom]

Also depends on your needs

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

[compact zenith]

Wait a second. Does that mean there are, let's say dual CPU 13th gen I9 motherboards?

[grizzled bloom]

No

It's only a HEDT/Server thing, not consumer grade

[amber canopy]

no consumer chips support dual socket configs

probably some semi-obscure chip out there im forgetting that does but as a general rule they dont

skulltrail had some i think?

[compact zenith]

When you said they make great servers, it made me think of the two that run heavy on my system, at least they did with my Z390. Come to think of it, it's always the MMORPG server emulators, that run heavy with my systems resources. ServeUo and rAythena come to mine. Actually rAythena run quite heavy with CPU resources. This is the first time, I'm running an I9. I usually stuck with the I7, mostly out of habit. I really need to look into taking advantage of those extra cores.

[viral urchin]

So I have a new pc i just built and I have a USB drive with windows installed but its not installing

Is there something im doing wrong

[shell igloo]

yeah it started not posting, unfortante its that one legendary antec case i forgot the name of

[shell igloo]

so ive unplugged the case usb and audio headers, ive put a usb drive into the pc and pressed bios flashback with no others usb devices plugged in

walked away from it, came back into the pc sitting in windows

then i plugged all the usb devices in and shutdown the pc

turned it on, now its back to square one

now im testing each individual usb device

it skips the bio post

black screen with monitor knowing its on

straight into windows

[shell igloo]

i think ive fixed the issue, in bios it can start up with usb "partial initalization" where it can recognize only mouse and keyboard to speed up boot times

but its always having cpu fan error every other post

even tho its functioning fine with the fan curve ive setted on

[steady wigeon]

Currently trying to find a good CPU that's compatible with my PC since I don't know whether I should upgrade my GPU or my CPU
Mobo didn't get an update to support 9th gen Intel CPUs even though it uses the same socket

current CPU is an 8th gen i5-8400 @2.80 GHz

[shell igloo]

your mobo doesnt have a bios update for 9th gen?

odd

well an i7 8700k exists

[dull flint]

Used 8700K probably

Or buy a new motherboard and CPU, probably the better solution (and cooler probably)

[cerulean wadi]

Mainly get 2x threads. Anything over$80ish for that 8700(K), I'll almost just suggest going used/new 10400(F) setup or 12400(F) setup. On sale 12400 is $150ish & various $100ish mobos would be plenty. Use current ddr4 and you're set. Even 12100 quad core would be pretty slick depending on game or light multitasking.

[vast meadow]

Just a new cpu and motherboard and probably case and power supply is your best option, but what do you do with your pc and what gpu do you have atm and what's your budget

8700k wouldn't be worth the upgrade

[sharp widget]

ok. im a little confused. i have a asus rog crosshair viii formula with a ryzen 7 3700x. i am looking to upgrade to a ryzen 9 5950x. for some reason, i seem to remember looking up that my mobo didnt support a ryzen 9 so im currently looking at compatibility in pcpartpicker. interestingly, my mobo is listed as one that is compatible with the ryzen 9 5950x. did i miss something?

[burnt spear]

it supports it

[sharp widget]

thank you!!!

[vast meadow]

You will just need to update your bios

[sharp widget]

good to know. just read it could simply have been a bios thing at the time. with the latest bios, it would seem to work

[vast meadow]

Yep

[hollow knot]

what will happen if i dont update the bios before i install the new cpu on the motherboard

[burnt spear]

it wont work

[steady wigeon]

So essentially, I upgrade most of my PC

Yeah it’s going to take a long time for me to get the money to do that, might as well wait

Used market might help me in this case iirc

[raven mango]

is there a major difference performance wise with the i5 12400 and i3 12100, looking at i3 cuz it’s the cheaper route but i wanna be able to have my game on and discord would i be able to do that with the i3 and would my gaming experience be smooth?

i get my pay next week and im going to pull the trigger on one of them (pairing with a 6600XT)

[burnt spear]

check pricing on 5600

[raven mango]

ok one sec

i can’t find anything or i’m just dumb

send me a pc parts picker (Canada) with just (storage,mobo,gpu,cpu)

@burnt spear

[burnt spear]

one second

[burnt spear]

do you need wifi?

[raven mango]

yes

[burnt spear]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/vLprhk

[raven mango]

ima send you what i got

gimme a sec

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MfHBY9

what would be the difference??

is it worth the extra money

@burnt spear

[burnt spear]

100%, the 12100f is worse than the 5600, including mobo cost the 12100f is same price

could drop the mp33 in my list to the 512gb one and it's not much more

[raven mango]

hm will i have the bios update issue or no?

[burnt spear]

most likely no

if you do, it has bios flash button

[raven mango]

worst comes to worst i come here

could i call you if i did. run into that issue??

like on discord

@burnt spear

[burnt spear]

yeah sure

though i do have work and school, so no gaurantee ill answer immediately

[raven mango]

same same

i get paid next week so i’m sure i’ll order something along the lines of what you sent me and then piece it together or even send me a youtube vid how to do it, thanks for your help and i’ll definitely go with the build you sent me!

[compact zenith]

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10235/patriot-viper-venom-ddr5-6200-32gb-dual-channel-memory-kit/index.html

What exactly does raising the voltages on the ram do?

[grizzled bloom]

It's the same principle as raising voltage when overclocking other parts, it allows higher power draw and more stability at high clocks

[amber canopy]

Gotta keep them electrons workin 🤓🤓

It's not really about the power draw that allows it to be stable, that's just an effect of raising the voltage

I was binning 3 of these ddr3 sticks yesterday

Got em to do 1333MHz 7-13-7 1T at like 2.1V

Good I think but not super great. Hoping they can do the same at 2V. None of them can run that at 12 trcd though 💀

[compact zenith]

In other words, something I shouldn't even think of trying, until I get a better CPU cooler.

[grizzled bloom]

CPU cooler has very little to do with the memory

[compact zenith]

Not an easy thing, when water coolers aren't an option.

[grizzled bloom]

If the memory has a good heatsink you can push decently high voltage with no issues

Specific voltages will vary by memory die

[compact zenith]

I would think, raising voltage on memory, wouldn't that result in CPU getting hotter?

[grizzled bloom]

No? The memory voltage controller isn't on the CPU

It's on the motherboard or the memory itself

Certain timings can increase load on your IMC in the CPU but that's not voltage related either

[compact zenith]

Memory in my system is Corsair Dominator, 2x32. It's the same ram I'm upgrading my kids systems too Tuesday. Decided to get rid of the T-Force ram, as it's been an issue for a while, and two PCs getting ram going bad, figure I might as well do all the systems, then wait for the ram to crap out as well

[grizzled bloom]

The specific capability of the memory as far as voltage and timings will vary by the die of the memory itself, and to a lesser extent binning

[dull flint]

You know it shocks me that you fork out this much to change the systems yet you won't give an aio a try, no offense

[compact zenith]

I was assuming, if the ram was made to run faster by raising the voltage, then the CPU would be running slightly faster, as it was getting information more quickly. That was my line of thought.

[grizzled bloom]

Not how that works

[compact zenith]

Forgot. AIO a water cooler?

[dull flint]

Yep

A totally sealed and tested water cooler

A 12900KS deserves nothing less to work at full performance

[amber canopy]

AIO just stands for all in one, but yea people generally understand it as a closed loop liquid cooler in that context

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen some liquid coolers that can't even keep up with the 12900K, limiting it to essentially a 12700 level of performance

[amber canopy]

Dry ice time 🤓

Phase change time 🤓

[grizzled bloom]

cough cough dellcough

[dull flint]

Well one thing's for sure is no air cooler can totally leverage a 12900KS

Lost performance in that system by using air, would've been better off with a 16 core ryzen

[grizzled bloom]

You could power limit the CPU and be ok but... then you're not getting what you paid a bunch extra for

[dull flint]

Exactly, may as well have got a 12900F

[burnt spear]

Is there any leaks on when 13400 will come out?

Just curious, I'm still going for a 13600k

[hard leaf]

no, nothing at all

we will know more about that at the ces in january

[grizzled bloom]

Unless there's more "accidental" leaks

[grizzled bloom]

#1 It's cheap
#2 Quad Channel
#3... uh...

[amber canopy]

"uh" lmao

[dull flint]

#4: it's cheap

#5: it's cheap

[amber canopy]

it's a flex

the motherboards look great

you CANT deny that fact

[grizzled bloom]

My HP board would like a word

[dull flint]

Ok I'll give you that

[dull flint]

Stick 8 g.skill tridentz's in one

And novice nerds will be like ONG

[amber canopy]

you guys wanna know something funny

apparently some ddr3 that would've been at least good was actually DOA this whole time

too late for a refund

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-comedia-la-comedia-funny-laugh-gif-21522670

[grizzled bloom]

Well, see point #1

[amber canopy]

at least i spend like 16 bucks in total on them

still a bummer

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/776524417316290571/1039024441172172840/6zsl4z.gif

[vast meadow]

Should be January like the 12th gen non k's

[compact zenith]

I feel so bad for the trouble Newegg service is going through, and he's been more helpful than any customer service I have ever known. It's one of those very rare going above and beyond customer service.

[compact zenith]

If your trying to explain using a fast meme, why not use one with The Flash?

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-skeleton-skeleton-dies-gif-22412591

[compact zenith]

That's from the Terminator 2 movie right?

[amber canopy]

something like that, i forget lol

[compact zenith]

Saw that movie the day it was released, and the long wait line was more than worth it. The special effects we see on a daily basis was brand new when that film came out, and was a huge change back then.

Actually, Abyss was the first failed attempt. Terminator 2, addressed all that failier lol.

[grizzled glen]

what do you guys think of the asrock b550m steel legend?

[grizzled bloom]

It's pretty decent for the price

[vast meadow]

Unfortunately no bios flashback though

[brisk lion]

Dont know if this is the right place to ask it but, my pc has problems picking uo wifi like in Windows it says ip configuration failed or something like that and it doesnt want to connect to internet

[dull flint]

Interesting
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/rtx-4090-53-games-core-i9-13900k-vs-ryzen-7-5800x3d/2.html

DDR5 6000 on the i9

So it's not even at it's best possible performance

[compact zenith]

By any chance, did you recently add an NVME drive to the motherboard? I see this often with older boards, and moving the WiFi card to a different slot, tends to fix it. Sort of like the old ms dos days with IRQ conflicts, the drive and wifi card fight with one another. If you have an open PCI express slot, like opposite side of board, move the wifi card there. Don't let the size of the slot fool you. It's still usable.

[grizzled bloom]

Going much higher doesn't get you much, maybe 1-2% if anything.

[dull flint]

I'm aware, but it still contributes

Any and all of it

That's if you stick to XMP btw, with tuned DDR5 it has a lot more potential than 5800X3D which is very lethargic to better ram

That said, the AM4 chip is still representing better gaming value

[brisk lion]

No wifi card

[compact zenith]

Another thing that can cause WiFi failier, is running two anti virus, or running new antivirus software, with old components from another still installed on ones PC. Norton antivirus is one such type that causes this issue.

A viral infection can also disable internet.

Best way to check for infection, is pull the boot drive and use a freshly formatted system to scan that drive. Do not install or run anything from that drive, just scan it. Running anything off that drive can infect the computer doing the scanning.

[brisk lion]

Okay i will

Cuz even gpu drivers do not work the moment i install them gpu doesnt work

And if its infected is there a way to get it away

I could also format the entire drive because therr is nothing importsnt on the pc its a mostly still fresh install of windows

Ill check tomorrow tho cuz im yonna sleep

[compact zenith]

Let's say you have a bad virus and choose to format. Boot off of window install DVD if you have one. This way there is no risk of virus loading into memory. If possible, don't connect the hard drive until you booted into install, and choose repair. Use diskpart and clean all to completely wipe the drive. This way, there is no chance of anything getting left behind. Make 100% sure you also select the correct drive. Drives show up in different order when using the install DVD, and you don't want to accidentally wipe the wrong drive. Back up any important data first. Stuff like family photos, my Starbucks gift card, etc etc.

If you don't have an install DVD and need to make one using the media creation tool, do it from another computer, one you know is clean and has had no contact with the infected one. Do not download the image onto the infected PC, use another or your just reinfecting yourself. And above all else, don't let those big box stores offer you a free virus scan. Most get their systems infected when they were clean to begin with.

[burnt spear]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-13th-gen-cpus-facing-issues-on-z690-boards-core-i7-13700kf-48-slower-than-the-12700k-on-the-asus-tug-z690/ is this a realistic issue?

Because if so I might just buy a used 12600k instead of a 13600k

[long geyser]

It's large enough that Intel/manufacturers cant ignore, so a fix or statement should be released soon™️

[burnt spear]

Is it something I should worry about, or will new bios versions help with it?

[long geyser]

Depends on when you getting new CPU. While I do expect a fix, it's hard to say how long it'll take to fix. Could be a month or something (cant imagine it'll be too much longer assuming issue is widespread).

[burnt spear]

I got a z690 a pro for $120 off warehouse, planning on buying the cpu in two days with my paycheck

As long as it'll be fixed I'm not too worried about it

If it were a permanent issue then I'd be concerned

[long geyser]

There is a chance it might be, but I highly doubt it.

[burnt spear]

Good enough for me. Worst case scenario I doubt it's worse than a 12600k

Could always swap out mobo down the line if it is ig

[long geyser]

Ye, when it easier to get cheap z790 or smth

[burnt spear]

B760 would be fine for me

I'm not concerned about ocing, it's a bonus to have but not required, just got the z690 since it was so cheap

Just have to buy cpu soon to make sure it's working, otherwise I'd just wait for the issue to be either fixed or addressed

[long geyser]

Looking at other reviewers, doesnt seem to be widespread. Some complaints about memory issues, but cant find much else. So idk if it's much of an issue.

[warm adder]

If a mobo has built in WiFi can I not use a card to upgrade it and not use the integrated one?

[burnt spear]

My mobo came with an m.2 wifi card, I have a pcie wifi card in it right now

And I've used a USB wifi card as well

[hard leaf]

ofc you can, you just have to turn off one of those in windows.

even on the bios

[warm adder]

Ah perfect! Thank you!

[dull flint]

I'm positive bios updates will fix that

It was also only a couple of cases iirc and strictly asus boards

[naive pendant]

can i buy 32gb of ddr4 ram with 50 dollars?

[burnt spear]

no

[naive pendant]

whats the minimum then

[burnt spear]

should aim for this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

otherwise just buy used

[naive pendant]

thanks

[compact zenith]

RunUO was top of my list on CPU and Ram resource hogs till I saw my son's game he was playing, World Of Warships. The settings that game have, look like they take advantage of every Motherboard and Video card aspect. What shocked me, my son's using a 12gb 2060 RTX for that game, yet that game is taking up almost 18gb of ram.

Shoot, forgot to see what his CPU was doing

[limber dragon]

so its running in single channel mode, and the author is wondering why its not having good performance?

[stark violet]

https://youtu.be/wyBX0x8k-D4

pray and hope something like that never happens to consumer cpus

[vast meadow]

Simple solution, cause too much backlash

[grizzled bloom]

Holy mother of salami, AMD Genoa has up to 12 memory channels

That means 6TB of DDR5, or 10TB using CXL. That's a spicy pepperoni.

[vast meadow]

and 96 cores per cpu

[dull flint]

bro I have like, 1/4 that in my intel

1/4 epyc

[vast meadow]

Well since you can dual socket... 1/8th epyc?

[dull flint]

wut

half...?

[vast meadow]

Hmm?

[dull flint]

I can dual socket 13900K?

24+24=12?

1/8?

[vast meadow]

You can dual socket epyc

192 cores

https://tenor.com/view/eeeeeeeeee-ohshootaaaaaoaaao-gif-26159816

[dull flint]

oh

I was confused af

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/big-head-shaq-manly-knows-algebra-gif-12056072

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/yogscast-lydia-squidgame-thinking-thonk-gif-19893518

[grizzled glen]

how often should you replace your thermal paste?

[hollow thorn]

whenever you have a problem with it

[grizzled glen]

oki

[muted roost]

I’m tryin to build my younger brother a pc for Christmas using old parts I already have like gpu case, case and storage. I need to buy a mobo, cpu and RAM.

I wanted to ask what mobo y’all would recommend for this setup https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K8GCv3

Saw the 5600 going for a great price so figured why not

Doesn’t need any fancy bells n whistles or wifi but I’d also not like it to bottom of the bin. I’d rather not break the bank since I have to buy other presents lol

[burnt spear]

I think b550 pg riptide is $90

Also I'd either get a 16gb 3600c18 kit for $44 or a 32gb 3600c18 kit for $72

[muted roost]

I thought 3600cl16 was the sweet spot for Ryzen

Or is that outdated now

[burnt spear]

3600c16 is good, just not really worth for the most part rn

I'd take a 32gb kit of 3600c16 for $5 more than a 16gb kit of 3600c16 any day of the week

[muted roost]

Fair nuff

[vast meadow]

For do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MXDW78

Or go 32gb with this kit
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KV4BD3/oloy-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-md4u1636181chkda

[compact zenith]

Karma at it's best. Friend in NY had a dishonest customer who did a charge back and left the computer at his store, claiming they sold a bad system. Customer actually swapped the motherboard for one that doesn't even come with the system, and here is where karma kicks in. They left the new CPU in the bad motherboard, and the customer tried demanding it back lol.

[limber dragon]

we get that sometimes here (repair shop, not a sales shop mind you). Last one was a lady bought a recertified laptop, broke the screen, claimed it was a faulty screen, she paid for the new screen, THEN filed a chargeback on both the laptop and screen. CC company gave her a refund of the screen transaction, we get to keep the laptop

[molten quarry]

I just bought an asrock wrx80 motherboard. I want to put ecc ram in it. Its say it supports it but I just got crucial 3200 ecc ram and the board will not boot. AsRock only shows two ram modules that are compatible that are ecc. Does any one have any idea how I can find compatible ecc ram thats not on the AsRock QVL list?

[grizzled bloom]

What CPU did you put in it? Is the bios updated?

[weak jackal]

So for some reason my ram is causing my keyboard to stutter whenever I first turn on my pc(goes away after restarting my pc) I had this issue before when I first built my pc but it mysteriously went away and now that I upgraded my ram(16gb-32gb) it started again. Which is why I am convinced this issue is to do with my ram. Does anyone know what the issue is? (All bios and gpu driver are up to date)

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard, cpu, and memory? I'm guessing XMP is enabled?

[weak jackal]

Yea xmp is enabled, cpu is i5 12600k, I have a msi z690 pro ddr4 (no Wi-Fi) and 2 16gb Corsair vengeance rgb 3600

[grizzled bloom]

Corsair

The only things I can think of besides corsair being corsair is the OS is corrupted or some other critical driver like the chipset is out of date

[dull flint]

Yeah clean install of windows might fix that

If nothing else

Definitely ram related, that's a ram instability behaviour (or one of them)

[mild jackal]

What DIMMS? if they're 128GB - you might have to enable memory remap over 1TB

I had that issue on the wrx80 asus board

[molten quarry]

They are 32gb

[summer marsh]

Hello i just bought an acer nitro 5 rtx 3050 ryzen 5 5600h with 8 gb ram 3200mhz

and i want to add 8 more gb, what kind of ram should i buy

[cursive epoch]

you should buy SODIMM DDR4 3200mhz

[mild jackal]

That should work out of the box, surprised it doesn't.

What model ram?

Does it work with half of the channels populated?

[zealous storm]

Hey peeps, been here a few times for this issue.

I have downloaded the file that was suggested and ran it but nothing. I have also updated windows 10

not sure if this helps but

my file explorer is still randomly eating ram. and Idk what I could do. idk how hard a windows reinstall could be but I can try that idk. im desperate

alternatively if it could help I can buy another 16gb and see if that helps mitigate the issu e

pls @ me if u know smth

[devout moth]

Shaggy#9568 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[compact zenith]

I tend to give the impression Im always having PC issues, but actually just have the bad habit of talking about the bad stuff too often. Most of the time it's all good. On the other hand, when it comes to expensive computer components, I'll pay $40 more to buy from Newegg, then try saving $40 from Amazon, who I actually do have issues weekly, and sure as heck won't trust with a $5,000+ multiple system purchase. Example as follows. Improper packing leads to shipments from Amazon that look like this, so understand, I'll trust Newegg with my orders ever time lol. Just wish Newegg would sell cat treats!!!

Ordered a 72 pack of eggs once, no shipping material, goo was dripping out of the box, and Amazon told me to ship it back, on their dime, but my sarcasm was "Send me a turkey baster, and I'll send you your soup back"

Lol, UPS refused to even touch the box.

[severe mountain]

looking for a dell machine in the 79xx or 78xx that has as many cpu cores as i can get under 1200 dollars

[vast meadow]

Why so specific?

What you tryna do?

[severe mountain]

for now have the ability to run several vms in one computer

i have had luck with dells

and i am familiar with that model

and something i could put used nvidia cards into

[vast meadow]

Okay but i wouldn't recommend dells in general they use way too many proprietary parts which will especially effect the ability to put gpus in it

Why not build yourself or tell me whats your budget including gpu?

[severe mountain]

after building your own the price goes up

and i want what the pc does

not the pc

if that makes sense

[vast meadow]

It's far cheaper to build a pc yourself and no idk what you mean

[hollow knot]

dell pcs have junked several times so i wouldnt buy dells at all

this was back in the mid 90s

[mild jackal]

Dell servers are top tier, either R or T series would be fine - but you probably wouldn't want to sit next to it.

HP's are the ones that'll freak out if you replace a fan

[wind karma]

I've had good experiences with both Dell laptops and desktops but that may just be an anomaly

Also their customer service can be really bad

for gaming building your own is gonna be better though

[vast meadow]

They make good laptops yeah but not desktop pcs

[amber canopy]

or hard drive

[mild jackal]

haha enterprise/server support is incredibly good. The servers are expensive, but you can get 4 hour part replacement support.

Also the have actually useful employees answering questions on their forums.

I asked about some obscure server power supply compatibility between a DSS telecom server vs an R840, got a real response

[hollow knot]

agreed. talking about 90 or early 2000 era prebuilt desktop pcs

[rigid crag]

someone please help im actually lost for answers now

basically my pc hasnt been working for months due to a motherboard cpu light

finally got a new cpu i put it in and now im getting a dram light

i tried taking out the graphics card, still dram light

i replaced the ram with other ram I had, still the dram light

i reseated the cmos battery

and its still not posting and still getting that light

someone please give me any suggestions

[vast meadow]

what motherboard and cpu?

[rigid crag]

msi b550

and ryzen 5 3600

geforce 970 gpu

[hollow thorn]

What ram

[rigid crag]

corsair

16gb ddr4

[hollow thorn]

If you have the whole list that might be useful

[rigid crag]

uh ok 1s

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600

RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengance RGB Pro 3200MHz (8 GBx 2)

CPU Cooler: AMD Cooler Master Wraith Prism RGB

GPU: Gigabyte Geforce 970 TI

Power Supply: Corsair CX750 non-modular power supply

Storage: 500GB Crucial MX200 2.5" SSD and 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 3.5'' HDD

Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus x AMD

ill take any suggestions or anything i can try to get this computer working without buying another part

i want that to be the last resort

[hollow thorn]

Try to do bios flashback, documentation is in the manual, you can update bios with a USB stick without the PC booting

[vast meadow]

Yeah should work out of the box with b550 but worth a shot

[hollow thorn]

Oh wait I read it as 5600 for some reason, updating bios might still be helpful though

[rigid crag]

ill try that but any other suggestions?

literally anything atp im despereate

desperate

also i didnt say thank you sorry im a bit off rn thank u guys

[hollow thorn]

Take a picture of it maybe

[rigid crag]

picture of what

i mean its just a dram motherboard light

the fans are running at max on startup for some reason

[hollow thorn]

Take a picture of the whole PC

might be able to see something wrong

[rigid crag]

i will in a little im gonna try that bios thing quickly

@hollow thorn can you send me the download for the motherboard bios flash

and how to do it?

[hollow thorn]

Download
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-B550-GAMING-PLUS/support
Video
https://youtu.be/iTkXunUAriE

[rigid crag]

ive got the bios flash

installed

should i get the beta?

or the stable build

which one

[hollow thorn]

Stable

[rigid crag]

got it

let me download that one rq

watching vid now

@hollow thorn does the computer and power supply stay on during this process?

or is it like power supply on pc off or vise versa?

[hollow thorn]

Computer off, power supply on

[rigid crag]

got it ty

the pc turned on

is this normal???

@hollow thorn

i started it and it started flashing red then the pc turned on?

do i do anything?????

i dont wanna brick the pc

the bios light is still flashing

[hollow thorn]

Let it do its thing

[rigid crag]

ok ok

was scared for a sec

[hollow thorn]

Wait like 5-10min

It's finished when the red light stop flashing

[rigid crag]

ok the pc turned off then turned back on

the red light stopped flashing

still a dram light

if you arent busy can you hop on a video call and i can show you everything?

its much easier then sending photos imo

[hollow thorn]

Can't rn

Shut it down and take a stick of ram out

[rigid crag]

ok

[hollow thorn]

Leave only a single stick in slot 2

[rigid crag]

ok

[hollow thorn]

Try booting

[rigid crag]

still dram light

one stick in slot ze

2

any other ideas?

[hollow thorn]

switch sticks same slot

[rigid crag]

okay

ohhh

we have a cpu light now!!

not better but its results!

wait.

no the boot light is on

not cpu or ram

[hollow thorn]

let it sit for a moment

if nothing, try turning off and unplugging ssd

[rigid crag]

alright

arry for the silence

i was reseating my cooler so my cpu didnt burn up during testing

imma try to boot it again see what happens

ok now im getting a cpu light again..

WAIT

IM LYING

boot light

let@me replug ssd maybe

ok ive replugged the ssd

still getting the boot light?

im lost now what to do

[hollow thorn]

boot has to do with boot drive so usually storage things

[rigid crag]

ok now its weird

now im getting a vga light??

on startup it switches from cpu, to ram, to vga

[hollow thorn]

let it sit, it's supposed to cycle through them in order, only care about what it lands on after a minute or so

[rigid crag]

okay its not posting but it lands on boot but sometimes all the error lights go off and it doesnt post

just sits there

the main error its presenting rn is boot

any suggestions?

@hollow thorn

we unplugged the ssd and managed to get to the bios

[hollow thorn]

cool

[rigid crag]

we managed to get to windows troubleshoot

ill see what can happen from here

[astral pivot]

Any advises would be appreciated. I've been trying to update bios on MSI Z690 Edge wifi for the new build with 13900kf. I have tried multiple USB devices and formatted FAT32 and MBR partition but I don't think the MB is recognizing the USB at all. The light on USB is not lit.

[rose tangle]

so is the 5800x3d going out of production ? if i want one should i simply grab one asap or wait for a deal

does anyone know if amd is continuing to produce the chip?

[shy wyvern]

is there a way to save my current settings for after a bios update?

[astral pivot]

I assume once the new x3d is announced, the 5800x3d will stop been made

dont quote me on that

[shy wyvern]

I thought they had stopped produciton of 5000 series all together

[mild jackal]

Not really, you can save the bios file in a human readable format on asus boards though

usually the .cmo/similar file from one bios won't apply to another

[shy wyvern]

I have an MSI motherboard

So I have to manually do all my tuning again?

[hollow thorn]

MSI has an oc profile thing

Save settings to USB

Might work

[slim anvil]

hey guys, with this pc: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cheesi_/saved/dtkzP6, which ram should i get for black friday?

was looking to get one that isnt too expensive

[vast meadow]

Have you already got the rest or are you buying new or are you upgrading current ram?

[slim anvil]

everything on there is my current pc. i was looking to upgrade my ram but im not that intelligent in computer part stuff

all i know is i need 2 sticks instead of 1

[vast meadow]

I'd get this atm and just try sell your single 16gb stick for maybe like 30$, sales might be different on black friday but I don't think they will drop a significant amount
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWH8TW/team-t-force-vulcan-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzrd432g3600hc18jdc

[slim anvil]

alright cool, thanks!

[vast meadow]

No prob

[burnt spear]

Is the psu on?

[lean warren]

does anyone know rthe different between the b550 f gaming wifi vs wifi II?

difference*

[oak matrix]

How much of a difference does 3200 RAM make compared to 3000 for gaming?

[burnt spear]

Depends on cpu, but overall not a huge difference

[oak matrix]

Ryzen 5 5600x

[burnt spear]

I'd say around 3-4% if I had to guess, but can't guarantee that's correct. Also depends on the gpu it's being paired with

[oak matrix]

How about 3600 speed?

[burnt spear]

The difference would be noticeable if paired with like a 3080, if it's paired with a 3060 ti you won't see a difference

[oak matrix]

So not with a 1660 Super or even a 2070 super then lol

[burnt spear]

In most cases no

If you're unlucky it could lead to a bit of stuttering, but if you already own the ram just use it and see what happens

If it runs fine then it runs fine, if it doesn't then replace it

If you don't own the ram, just get a 3200c16 or 3600c18 kit

[oak matrix]

Gotcha. I’ve had no issues with mine, just looking at Black Friday deals and wondering if that was worth it

More worth it to get an nvme ssd and a new monitor lol

[burnt spear]

Only reason I'd upgrade from that ram is if it gives you issues or going from 16gb to 32gb

If you don't have any ssd right now, 100% get an ssd

If you have a sata one, meh

Could go either way

[oak matrix]

Samsung 870 1 TB Sata

[burnt spear]

Nice ssd

If you have fast enough internet ig you'd see difference in download speeds with an nvme, slightly faster boot times and such as well

Won't be anywhere near as noticeable as hdd to ssd though

[oak matrix]

Plus it might just be nice to have extra storage, even if it’s 500 GB. The monitor however, currently 1080p 60hz. If I do end up going to the 2070 super that will be my bottleneck

[burnt spear]

I'd def get a new monitor

I'm expecting some very nice black Friday monitor deals

Prime day had some really good ones

[oak matrix]

I call my build the 1080p king, but if my friend is gonna get me the 2070 super I can easily do 1440p

[vast meadow]

Yeah deff get a 144hz monitor before anything else imo

[dull flint]

Maybe 1%

Even with the fclk gains it's such diminishing returns it's simply not worth

[grizzled bloom]

Bumping fclk is part of why you get better 1% lows (less stuttering) with 3600, the cores are able to communicate with each other faster and hand off tasks. It's mostly applicable for running higher fps.

[astral flume]

Dears, is xmp ram will work with assus tuf b650-plus?

To be more specific,

OLOy Blade RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Desktop Memory Model ND5U0856360BRSDE

Will work fine with

ASUS TUF Gaming B650-PLUS WiFi Socket AM5 (LGA 1718) Ryzen 7000 ATX Gaming Motherboard(14 Power Stages, PCIe® 5.0 M.2 Support, DDR5 Memory, 2.5 Gb Ethernet, WiFi 6, USB4® Support and Aura Sync)

?

[grizzled bloom]

Should be fine

[astral flume]

@grizzled bloom thanks for your reply is there any doc I can read?

[grizzled bloom]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b650-plus/helpdesk_qvl_memory/

There's the "official" supported memory list. If it's not on the list one with similar specs to the kit you have should be.

This looks like the non-rgb kit of the same memory

[astral flume]

@grizzled bloom not mentioned xmp right?

[grizzled bloom]

The memory specifically says AMD compatible on the Newegg page so it should have EXPO (the new AMD version of XMP)

[astral flume]

I find my ram there

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b650-plus/helpdesk_qvl_memory/

[grizzled bloom]

I already found the memory on there, except the black version instead of white

It's compatible

[vast meadow]

Qvl's are pretty pointless

[vast meadow]

I would not recommend getting 2x8gb of ddr5 at all also wouldn't recommend ryzen 7000 at all it's very overpriced

[grizzled bloom]

Actually 2x8gb ddr5 isn't as bad as we initially thought

https://youtu.be/IstA56IAeVA

[vast meadow]

Yeah but still if you're only getting 16gb save the money and get ddr4 imo

[astral flume]

Miss the boat 😂 the pc component has been shipped

[vast meadow]

Personally I'd still return it and buy a 13th gen cpu and get a better one or save some money and get a comparible one

[compact zenith]

Forgot who it was that used a phone to put a screen in their case. A similar article came out today.

https://fstoppers.com/diy/60-monitor-worth-having-your-desk-619933

Figured the above might be a cheaper alternative.

[grizzled bloom]

It's pretty common to do that actually. There's an app to buy but that's it. Then you just leave it plugged into your USB port for the rest of its life.

You'd do that with an old phone that has little value otherwise typically, like one of those free phones

[tranquil wolf]

i had an old Moto X i used as a sensor display, the app was like $2 on the Play store, easy to set up, but the phone died on me so i have not bothered to get a replacement

[compact zenith]

I have plenty of smart phones, like 40+ after I saw not the above article, but what one of the regulars did with their desktop, which made it look like something out of StarTrek next generation, was tempted to give it a try. Only thing that has me a bit worried, is someone hacking my server through the phone. Older models I'm not so worried about. Newer ones, like my kids Nokia 7.2, those have some severe security issues. Some lady earlier this year said something to my son and put her apple phone next to my son's Android. She got all his saved CC#s he stored. Had he not set his accounts up to be almost empty, she would have charged up a storm. I have my kids lock their cards as one security precaution, where they can be unlocked when needed in mere seconds. The second was to open extra accounts with no overdraft protection and leaving only 50 cents in each one. Then when they need to buy something, they transfer the exact sale amount. If a seller tries a rebill, or hidden fee, or like in the above case where they got his card numbers, they all decline. Yes, there are laws here where the bank must return the stolen funds, but who wants the aggravation of having all their money stolen and having to wait a long time to get it back. The above system stops that chaos. I started doing this almost 10 years ago. Was having dinner at Red Lobster and told my card was declined. Called my bank to find my account was emptied out, using a pin in another state. I asked them how can that not set off a red flag where the same card is used with pin by my home all day, and at same time with pin in another state? They did an override for Red Lobster, then stopped my card and lucky for me, returned all funds next day. Opened 6 additional accounts that day, each with its own card, no overdraft. Stops merchants charging more than agreed sales, hidden fees and rebills, and lowers the risk of funds getting taken, meant for another sale.

[grizzled bloom]

That's why you turn off all the wireless capabilities of the device and connect wired

[compact zenith]

You should see my data report for my Nokia X100. Device has some not so great flaws. Data and wifi were off today, yet records clearly show a little over 400mb of data was tethered as a hotspot. Find it unnerving, since I haven't seen the phone broadcast at all, and Metro PCS, aka T-Mobile just tells me it's a known issue.

[grizzled bloom]

Root and kill the driver lol

[shy wyvern]

Is 13700k worth the upgrade right now?

[cursive epoch]

no if you're not running ddr5

[shy wyvern]

Ew ddr5

I'll stick to my 4000 cl16 for now

[grizzled bloom]

If the reason is the cost to upgrade the board AND the memory then sure, but even cheap DDR5 beats b-die now.

[shy wyvern]

Yeah but I'm not paying another $200 to upgrade my board

Kinda silly

[dull flint]

Which board?

Oh wait nvm I'm not reading

[hard leaf]

yeah, as foxy said, 13th gen truly shines with ddr5, if you are using ddr4 then they are no better than 12th gen cpus

hey gratz on the techie badge felix

now i can take your advice more seriously 😛

[dull flint]

Now I only appear less stupid

[amber canopy]

techie test of knowledge:
what is the best platform

[dull flint]

The one at my feet

[amber canopy]

wrong answer

you are unqualified to be a techie

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/trapdoor-simpsons-burns-falling-gif-9340450

[amber canopy]

correct answer:

[hard leaf]

jokes aside, gratz man 🙂

now i need to find my damm coffee

[dull flint]

Thanks man

[astral flume]

Hi, thanks for reaching out to our team. We'll be more than happy to assist. Yes, that RAM is compatible with your motherboard. You can use the QVL to confirm compatible RAM for your model. https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi/helpdesk_qvl_memory/

Asus reply

[hard leaf]

good for you

[dull flint]

Nice, although to give fuel to the fire here there's only a handful of official ddr5 chips that brands are using for DDR5 ram, so it would be an honest shock if any sticks didn't work on that board

Like, maybe a few extra changes to get some sticks working with the cpu but the sticks won't flat out refuse to work

That's in the case it doesn't work straight away either, 5600 should certainly work fine if it's not faulty

[grizzled bloom]

There's a couple issues with older sticks of DDR5 from before the EXPO spec was out but anything that says "AMD compatible" is fine, and it does on the memory page.

[burnt spear]

Wait wat

Pain

[hard leaf]

sadly thats the hard truth

😦

need to cope with that as well... either ddr4 with 12600k or 13600k with ddr5

[dull flint]

Def the latter

[hard leaf]

yup

[dull flint]

Oh

Well there's a value step in the edited part

[hard leaf]

12700f is expensive rn

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

even more than the 13600k... weird

[dull flint]

Cos intel chip prices age like stone

The k chips at least

[hard leaf]

yeah wth, used to be 312 now its 350

wth man

maybe black friday syndrome?

[dull flint]

Kekw

Pre-xmas rush maybe

[hard leaf]

we will see it at 312 on black friday! yay deals!

[burnt spear]

I already ordered my 13600k, have a ddr4 mobo and ddr4 ram

Is it even with fast ddr4?

Ah whatever, if it has worse performance it has worse performance. Not like I'm going to spend $150-200 on new ram and return this mobo to spend more on another one

[vast meadow]

Afaik that's not right, ik ddr5 can help but doesn't make it as slow as 12600k

[burnt spear]

Mm, sucks to know I won't be able to keep up in benches though

Though I knew that beforehand, obviously fast ddr5 will be better than Rev e ddr4

[vast meadow]

Mainly MT is the difference i think

[burnt spear]

Mt?

Multi thread?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[burnt spear]

Ah

That's good to know then, most multi threaded load I do is minecraft lol

Looking at benches, looks like 5800x3d beats it consistently even with ddr5, so all the 13600k has going for it is multi core perf and being able to oc

[vast meadow]

What's that in tho?

[burnt spear]

Watch dogs legion

1080p paired with 4090

Other benches show similar results though

At 1440p and 4k it makes absolutely no difference though, im assuming that's just because the cpu load isn't hitting 100%

[vast meadow]

Hmmm

[burnt spear]

Actually in some benches at 1080p there's almost no difference between ddr4 and 5

Far cry 6 is like 3 fps difference

[vast meadow]

Yeah sounds more like what I'd expect

[burnt spear]

I guess it's just dependant on the game engine

Whatever it is, it'll be what it'll be

[vast meadow]

The extra e cores nice for multi tasking and kinda future proofing the cpu tho

[burnt spear]

Yeah, still just wish w10 had e core scheduler

[naive pendant]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XpZwZw
any way i can improve RAM or MOBO with the extra £45 ive got

[grizzled bloom]

You could get a kit of 3600c16 memory and you'll get better frame rate stability

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/jBZzK8,Nv6p99,wPvdnQ/

That's another 25 pounds or so

[burnt spear]

Txm 650 is cheaper and a much better psu

I'd get a 1tb mp33 instead of that p2 for the ssd

There's a 6700 that's cheaper than that 6650xt

[naive pendant]

just a quick question, do you know of any GPU exhaust fans?

[burnt spear]

???

Gpu exhaust fans?

[grizzled bloom]

The kind that sits on the back of the case?
Those don't really do anything

[naive pendant]

yeah theyre designed to output hot air from your gpu

[naive pendant]

im using a vertical gpu

[grizzled bloom]

Then it'll do even less lol

6650/6700 don't get hot enough to worry about anyway

[naive pendant]

alright

thank you

[burnt spear]

If anything I'd look at getting a pack of p12s, as your case only comes with 2 fans I believe

[naive pendant]

if i bump up the RAM to 24GB then will i get a noticeable difference? (2x 8gb + 2x 4gb)

[burnt spear]

Though won't really matter, low power components

24gb isn't worth it

Only 16gb will run in dual channel

Just get a 32gb 3600c18 kit

[naive pendant]

3 on the front and one on the back, i purposefully avoided RGB because it costs more for one less fan

[naive pendant]

ight 👍

[grizzled bloom]

Link for ya https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/sfxbt6/teamgroup-t-force-dark-za-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tdzad432g3600hc18jdc01

[naive pendant]

for some reason its now £14 over budget even though it costs less than the original 24gb

i dont think pcpp is mathing

[grizzled bloom]

Did you remove the other kit of memory?

[naive pendant]

yeah

[grizzled bloom]

Hmm what's the new list link

[naive pendant]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LcTY78

[grizzled bloom]

You changed the P2 to a 1TB

[naive pendant]

did i?

oops

sorry 😅

i guess im not mathing 🤣

ok im gonna make a few more changes

ight im switching to semi modular PSU just in case

and now i have an extra £21 to improve with

i might just increase the SSD or maybe upgrade the MOBO

[grizzled bloom]

The only worthwhile upgrade for that mobo is one with wifi if you need that

[naive pendant]

how much space does windows 10 take up?

im only planning on using the SSD for OS and vitals

[grizzled bloom]

Before or after you remove junk like candy crush lol

[naive pendant]

after removing junk