#cpus-mobo-and-memory

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compact zenith
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The emblems are soo similar, it's frightening.

compact zenith
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Was a user micakit banned from here by any chance? Reason Im asking, I see a friend request, that originated from here, yet their ID and name don't come up at all in a search.

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I always check, in case a normal user I may know on a discord, is using a different name and also to make sure I block if it's a scammer, or worse

grizzled bloom
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Micakit#9603?

compact zenith
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Yes

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Ravel, how many more days now, till your series 13? Come to think of it, are there even any mothetherboards made yet to take those CPUs?

burnt spear
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Yes

cursive epoch
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There are

burnt spear
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And October 20th

cursive epoch
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X670 boards are already out

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Sorry, I meant Z690

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lol

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erm, no

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Z790

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What's wrong with me tonight

compact zenith
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Wait a second, the series 13 is the same LGA1700 socket?

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Oh, oops, just caught the correction lol

cursive epoch
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it is the same socket

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but newer boards does feature more things

amber hornet
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What's the deal with the weird sepparated ubs&Sata slots in the z690 taichi

cursive epoch
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that's not weird

amber hornet
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I guess it's weird to me

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Like, I get the use of isolating certain ports but they're kind of hard to access

sudden creek
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Will the 13900K have Pl3? I can't seem to find a clear answer.

cursive epoch
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maybe

sudden creek
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Out of curiosity which do you think will perform better when refurbished as a server CPU afterwards? 13900K or 7950X?

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Gaming Server.

cursive epoch
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13900k

vast meadow
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Intel does 2 gens usually of same socket

sudden creek
cursive epoch
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No

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Just plain better cpu perf

vast meadow
sudden creek
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Got it.

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Thanks for the help.

cursive epoch
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Sata can have hot plug tho, if enabled on supported mobo

vast meadow
cursive epoch
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^

sudden creek
cursive epoch
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But 3D cache version is probably gonna beat Intel

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That's gonna have to wait tho

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And $50 more

vast meadow
sudden creek
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MC benefits from better Single core/threaded performance because of Java correct?

burnt spear
vast meadow
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Maybe it was before them I can't recall

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Also just mc being weird or something idk

sudden creek
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I think it's Java. Been learning it and I noticed the way it handles things is extremely reliant on one thread or a few being as quick as possible.

untold breach
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Just caught up with all the messages. Would it be worth sticking with z690 or doing z790

burnt spear
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Depends on pricing when they come out

untold breach
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I like how the mobo I chose has two tb ports and 10gbe built in

sudden creek
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Oh well. Whatever the case, the 13900K will make for a major server CPU replacement for my Ryzen 3900 once I get meteor lake.

burnt spear
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Personally I'm likely going to go for a z690 on amazon warehouse

sudden creek
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Will z790 boards have any actual benefit over z690?

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Besides having the gen 5 M.2 slots.

burnt spear
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Possibly higher speed ddr5 support

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Maybe better vrms compared to their z690 same model

sudden creek
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Got it.

untold breach
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That's why I was going with

sudden creek
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That be looking nice.

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Do the Proarts have decent OC capabilities? Never used one before.

untold breach
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No idea.

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But that's a good question

grizzled bloom
sudden creek
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Hmmm, honestly I don't think I need a obnoxious 7,400mhz DDR5 stick or Gen 5 NVMe so I think I will probably save a few bucks and just get a higher end z690 instead and pair it with a DDR5 6400 mem.

cursive epoch
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ddr5 on z790 will probably do better tho

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idk no testing rn

sudden creek
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Even if I buy a z690 classified?

untold breach
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Looks like it supports oc

sudden creek
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Because I was looking at the classified which is retailing at $400 in MX.

untold breach
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But that's a good question

cursive epoch
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classified will do good

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it's essentially top end ddr5 board

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and yes, all z mobos supports ocing

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how well they do that depends on the design like vrms

sudden creek
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So DDR5 on the classified I won't have any issues if I do 1dpc?

untold breach
cursive epoch
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I don't have time to explain, but erm.. I suppose you can do your research

cursive epoch
sudden creek
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Got it.

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I think I will go the classified route depending on how much z790 costs compared to the classified at launch then.

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Is the ILM issue existent on the classified as well?

cursive epoch
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sounds good

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mhmm

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nah

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it has no issues on anything

sudden creek
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Great. I really appreciate the help.

cursive epoch
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it's a buy it and forget it kinda board lol

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practically no compromises

sudden creek
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Lmao I suppose so.

untold breach
sudden creek
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Gonna either give my current system to my youngest bro once I upgrade I think or turn my current system into some sort of test rig.

untold breach
# cursive epoch nah

I don't want to spend money on this only to regret it. So whatever direction looking into things takes me can only benefit my wallet

cursive epoch
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That's good

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Are you looking to put together a whole new rig?

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I can try to help if that's so, to skip the technicalities

untold breach
# cursive epoch That's good

Yes. I've pre-ordered the 13700kf. I'm coming from a 6700k.

Ive had lots of problems with my Asus TB3 AIC and I've read some of my TB problems are due to AIC which is why I'm looking for built in.

cursive epoch
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hm okay

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so you need thunderbolt too

untold breach
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I have a 10gbe network as well which is why I was drawn to the proart

cursive epoch
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proart is a decent choice to be frank

untold breach
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I have a 10gbe pcie card currently

cursive epoch
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if your use case is this specific haha

untold breach
cursive epoch
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i don't know what else to recommend at this point tbf

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without going even more expensive

untold breach
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I'm not looking for a crazy oc. So maybe I stick with it

cursive epoch
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yeah that'll do plenty

untold breach
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Thank you for the peace of mind

sudden creek
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Would there be issues doing 2dpc on the classified?

untold breach
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I understand ram speed. Does it matter which cl timing I go with?

sudden creek
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Lower timings are better.

cursive epoch
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well lower cl is better, but you don't gotta worry too much

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just get something like 5600 at least

sudden creek
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2dpc 6400mhz cl32 should be fun.

untold breach
sudden creek
# untold breach Thanks

Oh no, sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant for my board. Not sure if it'd run 2dpc on the Proarts.

untold breach
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Oh. Oops lol

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So lower cl numbers, the better. Got it.

sudden creek
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Yeah.

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Basically CL is the number of cycles it takes to process a piece of data to put it simply.

grizzled bloom
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CL matters a lot less on current DDR5, tertiary timings are more critical.

true lantern
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Hello- I'm looking to replace a motherboard. Is this the right place to ask for advice?

tranquil wolf
true lantern
hollow thorn
true lantern
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I agree- I'm looking for a compatible upgrade

hollow thorn
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An upgrade would mean new CPU, new motherboard, and new ram.

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If you're willing to do that, what is your general budget? 200$? 300$? 400$? Etc?

true lantern
hollow thorn
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Could go 12100 and have it be a bit cheaper if you'd like

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Assuming you have a GPU

cerulean wadi
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If not in a hurry, also look for when 12400 nonF is $150-160. Another prime day coming up at least. (Oct 11 maybe)

hollow thorn
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Yea black Friday and all are coming up

true lantern
true lantern
cerulean wadi
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12th gen 12400 or even 12100 will blow away your 9yr old 4th gen, but indeed that 760 is now the big bottleneck. Remember to fresh install windows (to an ssd). Also research 1660S/Ti & 1070(ti)/1080 as you might get lucky. To show how they compare to 760:

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hollow thorn
bronze summit
dull flint
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I'm sad, no unify

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I hope that means they saw no memory improvements over 690 and decided not to bother but I doubt it

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I hear the dark isn't the biggest fan of A die

bronze summit
dull flint
bronze summit
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Idk what to buy lol z690 is nice but higher memory speeds will also be nice

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Higher memory speeds means less CL

grizzled bloom
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You're killing me

bronze summit
grizzled bloom
dull flint
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CL doesn't matter on DDR5 much if at all

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Esp for you kenzie, you need to really tune it to make it matter

bronze summit
grizzled bloom
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That has nothing to do with the speed though

dull flint
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Since the board will auto other longer timings to run the CL making it irrelevant

bronze summit
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Well from what I seen higher speed less CL

grizzled bloom
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The only thing CL is good for in DDR5 is figuring out which die it's using

dull flint
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Pretty much

bronze summit
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Hm..........

dull flint
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And that does matter for a good part

grizzled bloom
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Tertiary timing matter the most

bronze summit
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So what you guys gonna do with 10000mhz ram

dull flint
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Run it

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Enjoy it

bronze summit
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Just seems we keep going up in numbers haha

grizzled bloom
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DDR6 isn't even in spec yet kekw

dull flint
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Ram is ram really

bronze summit
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Mobo says support 7000mhz that's fast

dull flint
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Even new A die won't be an amazing jump ahead I've read

grizzled bloom
dull flint
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Big numbers but not big gains

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But that may be falacy

bronze summit
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I remember having 3200mhz ram

grizzled bloom
amber canopy
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moores law is ๐Ÿ’€

bronze summit
dull flint
grizzled bloom
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World record is currently 10600 I think

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If hwbot would load

bronze summit
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I just want mobo to support my ram but also z790 newer tech ๐Ÿคค

dull flint
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Oh yeah that like, CL128-128-128 10600 something record

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Where they use oscilloscopes

grizzled bloom
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72-126-126-126-127

bronze summit
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Lol

dull flint
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Hey wasn't far off lol

amber canopy
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as usual

bronze summit
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@grizzled bloom I found it

grizzled bloom
bronze summit
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It's under this mobo

dull flint
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Kekyon

bronze summit
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I was looking at price

dull flint
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I hope the 790 version is better

bronze summit
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Lol

grizzled bloom
bronze summit
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Also this mobo 2 ram slots

grizzled bloom
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All DDR5 boards should have only 2 ram slots rn anyway

amber canopy
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fastest memory anyone has gotten on the x79 platform is 4004MT/s

bronze summit
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Isn't that good then running 4 slots

grizzled bloom
bronze summit
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Yea that's what I meant

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4 slots bad

grizzled bloom
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The 2 slot boards have always gotten much higher memory overclocks, since the dawn of DDR

bronze summit
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Lol this mobo is OCing

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It has everything

amber canopy
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buttons

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and switches

grizzled bloom
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Those are nice to have on an OC bench board

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Inside a case... not really needed

bronze summit
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Maybe I'm getting over myself this mobo has really no use for me except ram slots

amber canopy
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best ram

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grizzled bloom
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Here's a thought, maybe what literally every experienced person here says is true and most people don't need to spend more than $200 or less on a mobo to get everything they need/want.

bronze summit
amber canopy
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most i've spent on a motherboard ever was $140 i think

grizzled bloom
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Anything above that is for specific features, like 10Gb ethernet (and buttons)

amber canopy
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BUTTONS

dull flint
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But muh screen

bronze summit
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Well these 2 I was looking at the master has more rgb and OC ability

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compact zenith
amber canopy
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I personally hate screens on motherboards (and AIOs)

bronze summit
grizzled bloom
amber canopy
bronze summit
grizzled bloom
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Quad Channel >>>>> Dual Channel amiright

bronze summit
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Man I hate waiting

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Can stuff just release already so people can test it

dull flint
bronze summit
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@grizzled bloom oh also the master mobo I think it's the z790 tho it comes with EZ-latch on pcie slot and ssd slot so you press a button and they pop out seems better then currently rn

grizzled bloom
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How often do you think you'll be removing the GPU though

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It's a nice bench board feature tbf

compact zenith
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I remember when the I7 Series first came out, and was excited to get mine, far ahead of release time with the employee discount program, to have the day roll around, and no CPU, and find out, someone in corporate made some deal with Intel, to allow them to hold off till a week before release date to ship to all staff that trained. I was so livid!

dull flint
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Ya good for benching

bronze summit
dull flint
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The ez latch is nice for installing M.2's tho

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The older screw in system they had such pepega screws with gigglebit*

bronze summit
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Me who broke a screw inside the screw hole

dull flint
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I'm not surprised

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It's actually easier than you think with those specific screws

bronze summit
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Screw so small

compact zenith
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The M2? The Z390s, the base for the screws were not pressed in on one of my 3 boards, the older Aorus Masters. Was wondering why the screw kept turning, very little pressure, yet never actually unscrewed. Went to left the lid up, and found the base attached to the lid, came right out of the motherboard.

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Rest of slots were fine, just the first slot. I ended up soldering them in.

bronze summit
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Lol

compact zenith
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Glad the Z690s were fine. That board is just too covered .

bronze summit
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Nice

compact zenith
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Actually, no wait, one of the 3 I just got are bad. Brb, keep forgetting to do an RMA.

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I built 3 new Aorus Z690 systems. One for each of my kids, and last for myself. Go figure, out of entire order, mines the one that's bad.

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For some reason, after 30 minutes, system loses connection to USB, Sata Spindle drives, and video. Had to use a portable NVME drive to install os onto the 2TB NVME. Using the blue Ray external, would result in installation aborting as it kept losing connection.

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What really sucked about the whole thing, was finally being able to watch episode 1 of Rick and Morty, and have video go out, 10 minutes after the show started.

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6 years from now, I'm going to end up buying a Z1290 series 17, and someone's going to tell me I should of waited 3 days, because Series 18 is coming out

bronze summit
dull flint
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I wonder if a bios update would fix that

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Or maybe chipset update since that's an io thing

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(i think?)

compact zenith
# dull flint Or maybe chipset update since that's an io thing

Talking about the issues I was having? I updated everything, on all 3 mothetherboards. The one Im having trouble with, was used. The protective bag it was in, was very staticky, there was a strange metallic like dust, like very fine glitter. The dust was similar to what you would see when drilling out a copper clad board, and there is zero visible damage. No bent pins, no cracks, and taking meter readings is not easy with most covered. I used my air compressor to get the dust off, but I'm wondering if that dust is metallic, if any of it got trapped under the heat sinks, or other parts covered. Neweggservice was helping me a few days back, and haven't heard from him in days, I'm going to call office up soon.

mystic inlet
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How big a downgrade or what would i be missing going with a Z690 godlike verse one of the Z700 MB for the I9 13900?

vast meadow
compact zenith
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Now why didn't you tell me that before I purchased 3 ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Or are you not talking about the Aorus Master Z690

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Or more than likely, you did, I just didn't see before it got spammed off the screen.

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GameMax Z790 Titan Pro looks promising.

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Now I know everyone is asleep rofl.

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BBL

vast meadow
mystic inlet
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I know the price of the godlike, just like the lcd screen and some rgb. Seems most of the newer mb are going away from rgb features

dull flint
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There's much cheaper ways to put an LCD in your PC

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$1000 is enough to do it nearly 10 times

scenic solar
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i'm starting to get a bit worried that my nh l9i could have vrm clearance issues... is it possible?

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hollow thorn
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Doubt it, throw the specific board into noctua's compatibility thing if you want

compact zenith
# vast meadow Don't think i ever saw your list before you bought or if i did i definitely told...

Basically, when I first joined here, I had already made the large purchase. Three Aorus Master Z690, Two I7, One I9, and the heat of the discussion was that I should cancel and wait for Series 13. Also at the time, bad set of RAM, and two very damaged shipments I posted pictures of. We never got around to anything being a waste of money, though a few were saying I should have gone with a ddr4 ram system, not DDR5, as that was over priced, and we touched on two big issues, one, I was using 4 ram slots, not two, which does in fact work, at least with 64gb ram, 4x16. Can't say if 4x32 will work, and not trying. The other topic, which most likely why we didn't talk of prices, everyone was yelling at me to not reuse the GameMax power supplys, which I was actually able to verify was the cause of my spindle hard drives dying past two years. Verified that with an ocillisope. Cold power start up sent a very quick voltage spike, an ordinary voltage meter won't see. One thing I can definitely state is a fact, with the Z690 Aorus Master Motherboard, the SATA slots to use spindle hard drives is a complete waste. Unless you need a sata port for anything other than a spindle drive, paying what I did, for the speed, don't use spindle drives. Not even one, unless you keep it as an external or hot swap. Adding even one, drops the load speed 80%. Without sata spindles connected, and booting off a Kingston Fury 2TB, your immediately into Windows login upon cold start up. Add even one drive, you get a 56+ second delay loading up. When I get this bad board replaced, I'm keeping all spindle drives offline until needed.

burnt spear
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For the ram thing, do you have xmp enabled?

compact zenith
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Comparing my Z390 to the Z690, Aorus Master, it's a very beautiful mothetherboard. Never thought I'd like anything other than ASUS

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Bacca, you asking me this?

burnt spear
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Ye

compact zenith
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I'll have to check the BIOS, I'm unsure at the moment. Borrowed a medical camera this morning and was able to see, there is more of that metallic dust trapped under heat sink and under carriage protector. Not even my compressor can get to it.

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After system runs 30+ minutes, USB, SATA, Video connection gets lost.

burnt spear
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Try replacing the mobo battery?

compact zenith
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I'm just glad it's only one like this. Purchased 3.

burnt spear
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Can't remember the name rn, possible the battery is bad even tho it's new

hollow thorn
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Tbh sounds like your delivery guy just hates you

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Cmos battery

compact zenith
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Yes, I do that with all new installs, replacing the cr2032.

hollow thorn
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Anyways a dead sata port isn't too uncommon, doesn't mean they're all dead

compact zenith
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It's the Motherboard. Tested it on my kids systems, got same result. After warm up, all drives except the NVME vanish, USB ports disconnect and can't use keyboard or mouse, unless I use the 3.1 ports in back.

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When they drop, happens same exact time. Audio works, but video fails. It's not a driver or virus issue. Clean OS install, I had to use a portable NVME I made. DVD took too long and install would abort due to USB disconnection.

hollow thorn
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Sounds like controller issue too..?

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Or maybe bad USB device in general

scenic solar
hollow thorn
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You're welcome

compact zenith
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I put the motherboard in my son's case, and my daughter's, got same results. Put my son's MB in my case, all worked fine. I think that metallic dust trapped under the heat sink and board protector, is the cause.

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Bios, drivers, all updated.

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I got it's replacement on the way too. Cables are also fine. Quick swap out and I'll be good to go.

frosty depot
compact zenith
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The plate on underside of the motherboard, I call it a protector. The heat sink, black part above the CPU and the RGB section that contains the ports in back, both have metallic dust under them that my air compressor can't seem to get out. I can't raise the PSI or I can risk damaging the board further.

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I never got around to looking up what that bottom plate is. First time I seen it, was the Aorus Master Z390. Not even the older ASUS Z97 has that.

hard leaf
hollow thorn
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Try rolling back USB/io drivers

hollow thorn
hard leaf
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maybe he means the base for the cooling system

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

hollow thorn
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The backplate

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You screw brackets into the backplate and screw whatever cooler you have into the brackets

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Unless there's heatsinks on the back of the board for some reason?

compact zenith
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Before I send the board back, I'm going to try using another camera to take a picture of that dust. Can see it clear as day on the micro telescope, but take a snapshot, blurry as hell. That Mothetherboard was sent to me used. I had to send Microsoft a copy of my Newegg invoice to show them I just purchased it because the license failed, as it was registered prior to me getting it.

compact zenith
hard leaf
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no need, just rma the board

compact zenith
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Oh, my kids systems bios, drivers, same exact as mine. They have no issues at all. Only thing different, is I have I9, they have I7. Ram for me is Corsair.

hard leaf
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ew c*rsair

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๐Ÿ˜›

dull flint
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4x16 vengememes

compact zenith
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It's the Dominator RGB. Give me some slack lol. I at least got 2x32 instead of 4x16

hollow thorn
compact zenith
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It's going back. Rather not risk doing something that can cause them to blame me. Neweggservice who helped me with the Ram, knew of the used board issue, and metallic dust day I got it. I was willing to wait to see if the board was good, but took two extra weeks, because I had to wait for the proper ram and EVGA 1600w psu. The PSU may not be RGB, but my case covers most of it, so RGB would have been a waste of money.

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The board came in a plastic bag, that was very very staticy.

hard leaf
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seems like technology hates you

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every single piece you bought came with some sort of failure

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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

hollow thorn
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Hence why I say it sounds like your delivery guy hates you lol

compact zenith
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I also checked to make sure the serial numbers matched. When I used to work loss prevention, I once caught a shopper trying to return a hard drive they swapped In the box, and obviously had their own shrink wrap machine. Was a Maxter drive. They had a hard time explaining their so called I bought it like that, after my boss who had his ID, verified the drive he tried swapping, was actually a warranty replacement.

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My delivery guy loves me. My garbage pickup, now he hates me rofl.

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Ravel, out of three complete builds, only one bad ram stick, and motherboard. That's not bad.

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All the hassle, was just the extra stuff I had to buy for me after.

hard leaf
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well at least that's the impression you give us, every day you tell us of a different failure on one of your systems, i mean, one bad item is ok, happens from time to time, but so many different items every day is concerning

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maybe mr1111 is onto something ๐Ÿ˜› maybe your delivery guy hates you

hollow thorn
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It might not be the guy delivering to your door, but maybe the truck driver that takes the package from the distribution center to local centers hate you lol

compact zenith
compact zenith
hard leaf
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well, steal from one of the packages is a serious crime

hollow thorn
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Lol

hard leaf
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not amazing, but expected

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one thing missing and the whole line will be risking their jobs, from the delivery guy up to the delivery center bois

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a damaged item, well... could be anyone guess

compact zenith
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Come to think of it. I keep forgetting to ask Neweggservice if they were able to see via security camera, if that box was actually shipped out like that. For an untaped box to get passed QC, and UPS, just doesn't sound right

hard leaf
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if they do i don't think they will share it with you without a legal order

hollow thorn
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Yea that's a real privacy issue

compact zenith
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Oh, I'm not asking for a copy. I was just wondering if he'd be able to tell me if it left the warehouse like that.

hollow thorn
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Privacy concerns

hard leaf
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they wouldn't tell you either for the same reason

compact zenith
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New Motherboard will be here Friday.

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They even offered to swap out my I9 for Gen Raptor when they come in, for the trouble with that one board. whatever that is.

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I'm joking about the Gen Raptor swap. Before Ravel strangles me ๐Ÿ˜‚

hard leaf
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why? its your money

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we can only advise you, but the final choice is yours alone

hollow thorn
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lmfao

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@lime quartz do the thing

compact zenith
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The ram they let me switch out is one thing. If they had really made the offer of a Gen 13, I'd most likely refuse it. I'm never comfortable with new release hardware, especially expensive ones that can have bugs

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Bye bye lol

lime quartz
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@hollow thorn i got u

hollow thorn
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thanks

compact zenith
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Your ban list must be immense!

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I was reminded last year, how much Discord was so much like IRC, when several users snuck on, and flooded everyone off my own server. Five similar names, was like, no, their can't flood me out like IRC. Boy was I dead wrong heh.

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Anyways, barring any shipment issues, I should be able to swap out the board quick enough. The only pain will be, having to swap the NVME drives and reseating the CPU.

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I tend to clean off the thermal paste, before removing the CPU.

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Just wish they made A $250 8TB Fury NVME. Then I'd just use all those drives for backups.

compact zenith
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@hollow thorn I just remembered something. I realized now why I gave the impression that a lot was wrong. I totally forgot about the Amazon Fresh order two weeks back. Forgot what channel I mentioned it on. Think it was the PSU one, where I can't for the life of me remember what the discussion was at the moment, only that while we were all talking, I took a quick glance at my security camera monitor, to see if the Delivery guy was here yet, and instead, see like 3 or 4 raccoons, tearing up what at first I thought was my neighbors trash, then moment I saw the Frozen Frontera Carne Asada dinner box being torn up, realized it wasn't my neighbors trash they got into, it was my Amazon Fresh order the idiot driver, instead of bringing it to the house, unloaded it on the sidewalk instead, and even took a picture to show that's where he left it. They tore into all 8 bags, but only went for the frozen dinners, and left all else inside alone. Three frozen dinner boxes, made one heck of a mess. Went online and changed tip from $25 to $0. First time I ever did that. Had to get service to help, as couldn't find the option to do it.

compact zenith
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Was looking at the MB, and was wondering, is it me, or does this image look like a bad Photoshop?

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I haven't seen a real AMD mothetherboard in years, and the image, it just looks odd to me for some reason.

compact zenith
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Oh, forgot one last oddity was that the Motherboard yesterday, kept booting itself up like power button pressed, and don't mean sleep mode. I use a power block for each item, so turned direct power off to it. It freaked my wife out 2am, when suddenly it went on, filling our room with colorful lights.

elder linden
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Yeah, the images they used in the sales listings look like bad photoshop. Pretty sure it's actually just a highly touched up picture of the board shopped over a graphic of the box.

cursive epoch
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Doesn't look photoshopped for me

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It's literally sold by newegg

gritty patio
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okay so i gave my friend my old pre built but its not reading the ssd we tried installing

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im assuming a bios update

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but i havent really been looking cause i gave up after i couldnt find a solution

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its an i5-6400 but idk what the mb is but its made by acer

hard leaf
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you can download cpuz

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to check your mobo type

gritty patio
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bet thanks

hard leaf
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you will get a window like this

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gritty patio
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be tthanks

shy wyvern
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An overclocked 12600k only needs 1 8 pin CPU power cable right?

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If I unplug the second one my PSU can support 4 PCIE power cables, which is enough for a 4090 lol

long geyser
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Yeah, 8P EPS can easily support OCed 12600k
Also note that good 8P PCIe can do like 350w - 380w or smth, so could just use daisy chain connectors and use two cables on PSU side for 4x8P to 12+4P (or Corsairs cable, pretty sure they violated ATX spec with a 600w 2x8P to 12+4P connector. Which is weird but as I said still fine).

hard leaf
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its like 420w so so

limber dragon
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Spec is 396w per eps 8 pin. Solid power pins are like 450w+

obtuse nymph
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Best DDR5 64 GB ram?

sudden creek
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Any updates on z790 Mobo? Been away off for a few days.

vast meadow
vast meadow
obtuse nymph
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if possible speed/price ๐Ÿ™

sudden creek
vast meadow
vast meadow
obtuse nymph
vast meadow
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Np

sudden creek
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Classified costs the same as an Aorus Master where I am.

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$20 difference.

dull flint
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Z690 pro a ddr5 is supposed to be cheap and it should be good enough

sudden creek
shy wyvern
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I have the ddr4 version and it's a wonderful board

dull flint
sudden creek
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I already planned on getting DDR5.

shy wyvern
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Running 4 x 8 GB ddr4 4000 cl14 rn and it runs great

dull flint
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I mean it tho, basic MSI board is actually very nice quality

shy wyvern
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The memory controller is heavily over clocked though because it does not like 4 sticks of good memory

dull flint
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If you want fast DDR5 tho you really want a 2 dimmer

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That may change with z790 tho

sudden creek
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My plan was to get the G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo sticks @ 6400mhz, CL32

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2x16gb.

dull flint
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That'll probably run in most z690's without concern at xmp

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But you mightn't be able to take it further

sudden creek
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I can always get a better ram upgrade later down the line.

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Ram is expensive in MX.

dull flint
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Also, new ram is already basically out, goes way beyond 6600

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Consumer sticks soon

sudden creek
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Will keep my eye out. If they're less then $340 in Amazon.com.mx then I'll for sure get them.

dull flint
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Prolly not

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The first consumer sticks are 345 USD on newegg rn

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I imagine MX you won't see that price for a while

sudden creek
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Probs not.

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I think I will probs get like the 13900K, Z690 Classified, Best 4090 I can get within $1800, and some Trident N5 sticks for ram.

dull flint
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Could you even get a 4090 near msrp in MX?

sudden creek
dull flint
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Why not do that for the ram then?

sudden creek
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Shipping makes it not worth it.

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Like $80 in shipping.

dull flint
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If you do them both together I imagine shipping shouldn't really go up

sudden creek
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Shipping is for each unfortunately.

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Well I gotta work now. Thanks for the help and I enjoyed the convos. See y'all later.

dull flint
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2 grand

sudden creek
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Well $#!t.

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Guess that's a no go.

dull flint
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I did say it wouldn't be 1799 lol

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Suprim might be a good bet

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1700/1750

vast meadow
vast meadow
dull flint
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Ya I don't like the new strix either

sudden creek
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Personally I like it.

cerulean wadi
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40 series is a bit bland tbh, plus $250+ more than msi suprim for instance is pretty wack, but not like $200ish is a big deal for people paying that much.

hard leaf
limber dragon
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msi are the only cards that dont look just copy/paste from reference for 4090s

hard leaf
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suprim or bust

sudden creek
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The palit cards looked interesting.

hard leaf
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i mean, all of the cards are similar in performance

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just take the best looking for you

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for me... suprim

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felix is an avid shill of gigglebyte

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and pato hate us all equally

sudden creek
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Mhmm, got it.

hard leaf
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still the strix one is fairly better over the rest, but not enough to justify 400 usd

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not enough

sudden creek
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Leaning towards the palit one for the crushed crystal look if I decide to rule out Strix non oc at $1799.

hard leaf
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the black kaleidoscope

sudden creek
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Will need to look at dat later.

hard leaf
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6 days :#

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looking forward to those reviews

vast meadow
dull flint
hard leaf
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i bet

dull flint
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Also suprim is MSI's flagship, the AIO one would run as fast easily

hard leaf
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still suprim looks better to my tastes

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even if the trio is cheaper ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

hard leaf
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well... not sadly, its ugly to me

dull flint
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Palit isn't even on my radar

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Kekw

hard leaf
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man im almost fully comitted

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last night i made some math.... ill be left with 252 usd if i get the suprim

dull flint
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That's enough for a 12100F

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Oh wait not for everything else tho KekW

cerulean wadi
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$252 can get 12400F on sale + mobo, or $12100F , cheap mobo & ram maybe. Although, there's no $100ish mobo I would pair w/ a future 13600K & such.

hard leaf
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Yeah im in no hurry for a pc after the card is on my hands, i will gather some 500usd more for a mid tier pc thinkies

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In a couple months feelsweird

dull flint
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4770K go brrrr

untold breach
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So I contacted Asus today about this mobo. I didn't see 13th gen on the compatibility list. The first level of support said that it's not listed so it's not supported. Period. However, he kicked it up to the next level to get back to me in a day or two hopefully.

I was under the impression since they're both lga 1700 I could drop the new chip in a 690 board? Am I wrong?

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/ProArt/ProArt-Z690-CREATOR-WIFI/

ASUS Global

Every aspect of ProArt Series motherboards is built to remove barriers and deliver optimal performance to content creators who work in 3D modeling and rendering, animation or media production. The series empowers you to concentrate on your creativity and expand what is possible.

limber dragon
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you mean the new chips that arent out yet, so boards dont "officially" support an unreleased product?

untold breach
limber dragon
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well there's your answer

untold breach
untold breach
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So I was nervous

limber dragon
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so dont order it until 13th gen is released and see if they have a bios for it???

heady sparrow
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Anyone know if the AMD Ryzen 5 5600G - Ryzen 5 5000 G-Series Cezanne (Zen 3) 6-Core 3.9 GHz Socket AM4 65W AMD Radeon Graphics Desktop Processor - 100-100000252BOX and ASUS ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard work together

hybrid grove
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I'm not the biggest expert on this particular issue. What would cause my cpu to thermal throttle. Everything was fine then one day it just started getting hot. I reset the bios and put all the settings back to the way I had them before the reset and everything is back to normal.

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I have a artic 360mm aio with a 5800x. X570 aorus elite. (If that matters)

dull flint
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That does help

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How long have you had it mounted for?

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First thing I'd check would be pump rpm

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Also the arctic 360mm coolers have had a recent recall, you should check into that

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Oh wait

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I see it's back to normal now

hybrid grove
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Oh snap. Yeah I've just had a string of bad luck with AIOs. Both me and my brothers msi mag 360mm pumps died.

dull flint
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Ah yeah the mag ones have clogging issues

hybrid grove
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But I've had the cooler since June or July I believe.

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Pump doesn't make any concerning noise on the artic one

dull flint
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Luckily tho the arctic company will send a service kit to fix the issue

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Free

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You should def look into it

patent rampart
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Hey guys, I am looking for a x570 board for some extra pcie lanes, any suggestions? I am fine with almost any brand

dull flint
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Or try hwinfo 64 and look for your pump rpm

hybrid grove
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Yeah let me re-download that and check

dull flint
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If both of those are fine then a repaste could possibly fix it tho 4-5 months isn't too long

dull flint
hybrid grove
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I just repasted it 2 weeks ago. When it first started doing it. The paste helped for a little bit then it got worse

dull flint
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Ah then probably not the mount

hybrid grove
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Until I just reset the bios

hybrid grove
dull flint
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Yeah

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You'll see a few readings for RPM

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You might need to check inside the pc to figure out which input is which

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Fancontrol also works to check this (turning fan channels on or off)

hybrid grove
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Yeah on this board it's called "cpu opt" at 1450-1500 atm

verbal hawk
hybrid grove
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All this makes me want to go back to air coolers ๐Ÿ˜‚

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I gifted my friend a vetroo 360mm aio 2 months ago and it started leaking last week. Thankfully he happened to notice it quick and nothing was damaged

patent rampart
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Should have added, considering the vrms are better, wouldn't it be ideal then?

verbal hawk
# patent rampart Wouldn't it be reasonable to go with a b550? The reason for upgrading is because...

Mostly all b550s only will have 2 m.2 slots, usualy a full gen 4x4 and a second gen 3x4 or some are gen 3x2 but the second slot may or may not be shared with sata/pcie ports etc. x570 will generally give you usually 3 to 4 m.2s but most certainly the 3rd or 4th slot may also disable some sata or maybe a pcie slot. Every board is different. But unless you got a whole bund of sata drives most boards have 6-8 sata ports so even if half of them get disabled you should have more than enough.

verbal hawk
patent rampart
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Ryzen 9 5900x

verbal hawk
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as long as you don't grab a cheap low end b550 you'll be okay...pretty much you'll be fine with any X570S board.....

patent rampart
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Alright, thanks a lot my man, really appreciate it

burnt spear
patent rampart
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I understand a bit more of what I am looking for now so once I get home today I'll figure out what will be best considering my setup. Though b550 might be what I go with depending on prices between a good b550 and an x570

burnt spear
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B550s tend to be cheaper while having better vrms

patent rampart
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Figured as much

fleet hemlock
burnt spear
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Assuming you don't care about ocing

vast meadow
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I don't know if the other 2 have flashback but aorus pro ax def does

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So aourus pro ax imo

fleet hemlock
burnt spear
fleet hemlock
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Will B660 allow a gen4 pcie boot drive?

burnt spear
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I'd go aorus pro ax fs then

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Yes

vast meadow
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Yes

amber canopy
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Overclocking da mushkins

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rocky beacon
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That kit was awesome.

amber canopy
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Yea I love these dimms

compact zenith
# hybrid grove All this makes me want to go back to air coolers ๐Ÿ˜‚

To me, it doesn't matter how much they claim their water coolers are 100% sealed, I'm sticking with air coolers, mainly because the vibrations have caused the hoses on two different models, to slip off the radiator or CPU. It was just luck that both times, the hoses just missed important components.

compact zenith
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The replacement board works fine. For some reason, and I think it's corruption from the last board, bios only shows one Kingston fury, and loads the backup os from the older motherboard, until I disable boot option 1. Then the proper NVME loads up. Also, it loads quite fast. Even the spindles don't lag it to much once connected. I plan disconnecting them, once I move key programs from that drive, over.

dull flint
vast meadow
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Bios info hmm..... Bios flashing for b660 multiplier oc KermitEmperor

compact sun
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hey i need a newegg rep...i have a tiny problem with a motherboard i bought in 2020

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someone point me to the right place please? ๐Ÿ™‚

vast meadow
compact sun
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thanks

grizzled bloom
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Keep in mind it's the weekend and they might not be in the office

compact zenith
compact sun
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ok thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

compact zenith
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The replacement Aorus Master Z690 is working almost perfectly, except won't boot off drive 0 unless I disable boot option 1, which only shows one Kingston Fury. Im wondering if the bad motherboard could have written a bad efi section that's causing this. I'm going to do a reinstall format and see if same thing happens. The other thing that surprised me a bit, was the system booting up on its own after it was shut down completely.

limber dragon
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Its a bios thing afaik. There's some weirdness with legacy/uefi and boot priorities on giga z590/690

compact zenith
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I noticed that with multiple NVME. Even repaired the uefi boot on the bad board. Going to do a fresh format this time, and see if this corrects. I have a feeling, each motherboard has something in the controller, similar to each hard drive that has its own unique bios. The drive 1 that it keeps defaulting to, unless I disable option #1, is from the older Z390. I'm almost willing to bet, it's the controller on the MB seeing info from the bad one. Images restored don't show up, again unless option 1 disabled. If the new install works, then I know I'm right. Hopefully it corrects the system booting up on its own as well lol.

velvet badger
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hey question i have a msi mpg z490 gaming edge wifi with a i5-10600kf and im out of sata ports on my mobo is there a way to add more sata ports or would i have to upgrade my mobo, if i have to upgrade mobo what would be a good choice id like to stick to msi

cerulean wadi
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Use a sata adapter that goes in a pcie slot, and I know that mobo has a couple m.2 slots to use up also. Most mobos just have 4-6 sata ports anyways. Don't swap mobo unless/until upgrading cpu also.

grizzled bloom
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That's the main advantage of using a full ATX board over a micro board. Expandability.

cerulean wadi
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Yep indeed. Ironically there's some new mobos with only 4sata ports because in exchange they went for tons of m.2 slots and/or pcie lanes. Personally wouldn't want to deal w/ 4+ sata drives anyways (and the cabling tbh).

compact zenith
fleet hemlock
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Real talk:

Lower end Z690 mobo vs higher end B600 motherboard

compact zenith
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I verified the new issues, we're almost exactly what I thought they might be. When I swapped out the bad Z690 for it's replacement, it was reading configurations off the boot drive that was telling the bios, the bios was updated already, when in fact, it wasn't. It was using drivers the bios wasn't updated for on new board. Plus the bios info of the board didn't match the drive, so needed programs were not running. Soon as I did new install, the bios for appcenter kicked in, and updated. Not having any issues now. System stays off, RGB behaves.

compact zenith
# fleet hemlock Real talk: Lower end Z690 mobo vs higher end B600 motherboard

I been sticking with Gigabyte Aorus series, which took a bit of getting used to. Used to only use Asus, which irked me a number of years ago with their Nexus tablets, plus an Asus mb I only had 10 days, had problems, and Asus reply to me was they knew of the issue, and it's fixed in the next revision, meaning they wanted me to buy another mothetherboard, so sent it back to Amazon, and went with the Aorus Master Z390, and stuck with the Aorus series ever since

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I'm using the latest 12th gen I9.

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Come to think of it, haven't heard a word from Ravell. Guess he got his 13th gen.

hard leaf
fleet hemlock
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whys that?

flint parrot
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Does it matter what slot I put my ram in

hard leaf
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higher end 660 just tend to overdo features

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most likely... aesthetics

fleet hemlock
hard leaf
fleet hemlock
hard leaf
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for 2 sticks usually are put on the the A2 and B2

fleet hemlock
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what motherboard are you considering @flint parrot

flint parrot
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I mean like if I have 4 pcie slots and one ditch of DDR4 ram does it matter which pcie slot it is in

hard leaf
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ddr4 donest go to pcie slots

fleet hemlock
hard leaf
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plz dont joke with those things

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go to general if you are into joking

fleet hemlock
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jokes will from hereon be held in other channels yes ๐Ÿค

hard leaf
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you put your 2 sticks on A2 and B2

flint parrot
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I know it doesnโ€™t go into there but Iโ€™m just doing a case swap. Iโ€™m just making sure it doesnโ€™t matter which slot it goes in

hard leaf
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A2 and B2

flint parrot
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Mine are just numbered 1234

hard leaf
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then 2 and 4

flint parrot
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Ok

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Thankyou

fleet hemlock
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most mobos want ram here right?

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sorry ovals are hard on a phone

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omg wait i had an idea

compact zenith
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Ravel, you are alive. Um, your calling my Aorus Z690 low end? I agree overpriced, but low end?

hard leaf
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not yours

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he was asking about low end 690 or high end 660

flint parrot
hard leaf
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lower end z690 most of the time beats an overpriced 660

fleet hemlock
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YEAHHHH I DID IT

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compact zenith
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Did what? Removed the ram?

flint parrot
fleet hemlock
dull flint
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It can matter yes

fleet hemlock
dull flint
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*Particularly if you don't space them apart

hard leaf
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3 more days felix

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we are almost there

flint parrot
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I know you helped me learn how to break my ram

compact zenith
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I was thinking the same with the NVME, and found my motherboard, likes to moch me, by changing the NVME drives 0 and 1, to mess with my head.

fleet hemlock
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shame that it didnโ€™t embed

dull flint
fleet hemlock
hard leaf
dull flint
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13900KF

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After I saw 6.5GHz on air I was sold

fleet hemlock
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niiiiiiice

dull flint
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Like, goodbye AMD

fleet hemlock
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amd makes good cpus but the value isnt very good for me since the build im working on is around the 1500$ budget

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the 13600k on a cheaper motherboard platform with cheaper ram is too good of a deal to ever justify a 7600x

dull flint
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It's going to make complete sense to do

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DDR4 is too much of an advantage

hard leaf
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indeed

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if anything i will go ddr4 as well on 13th gen

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efff am5 nd ddr5

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yo felix, where are you planning to get the waterforce? some local retailer?

dull flint
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First place that isn't gross I trust

cerulean wadi
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@flint parrot @fleet hemlock ๐Ÿ‘ (excluding a few specific mobos):

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fleet hemlock
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seems like you put el in a1 and b1

cursive epoch
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yeah

compact zenith
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Krikey, I forgot what my GHz is for the I9 I got. Windows is highly irking me. It keeps putting the restore partition and EFI partition on the second NVME. It's not an easy drive you can just unplug like a SATA. Trying to see if there is another means to shut that second drive off so the install process doesn't mess with the other drive.

cursive epoch
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wait that sounded dumb

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it's supposed to be a1 b2 lol

compact zenith
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Wow, didn't realize that what is pissing me off, is a huge two year issue, with a work around for those with fastboot In bios.

cerulean wadi
# cursive epoch it's supposed to be a1 b2 lol

A2 & B2*. Edit for Xanthor: fast boot is dumb anyways. Turn that crap off. Boot w/ ssd is fast enough. Fast boot makes a restart act like going in and out of sleep in a way, or something like that.

cursive epoch
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yep

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i did the double dumb

compact zenith
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@cerulean wadi I'm fighting a losing battle. Actually, fast boot with this MB is quite effective. When it's on, I turn PC on and directly into Windows login. With it off, the loading is delayed. This is with two NVME connected only, no spindle drive. What is irking me to the extreme, with no actual fix, and it's happening mainly with gigabytes motherboards, which there is a two year old post, still burning hot today, is no matter what I do, force an efi partition on drive 0, or even remove the second NVME during windows installation, Windows will move it to drive 1, every single time. That means, every time I want to image the OS drive, I now have to image both drives 0 and 1 or risk not getting a full backup, which is a waste of drive space.

vernal cosmos
hard leaf
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necro posting?

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๐Ÿ‘€

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need a mod to close that

burnt spear
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Would an 1135g7 8gb ram laptop be enough for 30+ tabs of chrome?

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Cpu obviously, unsure on the ram

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Budgets $500 for a work oriented laptop

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Found that and a refurbished 12th gen i5 (forgot exact model because intel naming), otherwise same specced

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Oh and a bit bigger screen

cursive epoch
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it's fine

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but ram can be problem

burnt spear
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Just wondering if I should wait and see if its fine or do it immediately

vernal cosmos
grizzled bloom
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I'm having a similar issue with the windows boot loader. It keeps overwriting my EFI partition completely. I had a triple boot set up, gaming windows, bench windows, and Linux main. Windows managed to kill its own OS with this issue. Only the gaming windows shows up when I try to boot.

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Luckily I keep my Linux /home on a separate partition so I can safely just reinstall, and the bench OS is no major loss.

compact zenith
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I before the Z690 build, had 14 Sata Spindle drives and two 1tb Rocket NVME. Got them when they were $499 with heat sink. Out of the 14 Sata drives, which are 16 in total when you include the two NVME, I also had an SSD. The SSD proved to be a godsend, because I couldn't do a strait windows install onto NVME without the Z390 BSOD. I made a full install onto the SSD, with all servers, then imaged them onto both NVME, and took one NVME, and SSD offline. Something I can't seem to do with the Z690. I was able to have 3 separate boot drives with the Z390, all with it's separate efi partitions. The Z690, even when you manually make one and copy the info, it gets moved from drive 0 to drive 1, and won't let me take drive 1 offline. I tried. All day yesterday, and had to use diskpart to remove 8 efi and recovery partitions it added to drive 1. You should have seen the mess it made when I hooked up just five sata spindle drives. I was at least able to prevent the spindle drives from having their partitions moved, but just connecting them copied the efi and recovery to drive 1 NVME. Wiped them all out, increased the drive size to maximum, then after boot up checked in drive management, to see windows shrunk drive 1 by 1200mb and put the efi back on it. That's when I gave up and saw the old Necro post on Reddit. Can't really call it Necro, if the subject never died out, which explains why it's not locked like so many other old ones.

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Pulling the NVME, pointless. Once you put it back, even though it's drive 1, drive 0 writtes it's info to it, moment you boot up, so can't take it offline.

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Heck, I even forced drive management through shell during install to disable drive 1, and still it activated after reboot and written to. To me, that's not safe, because if that drive fails one day, they all fail

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Anyways, Ravell talking about the 13th gen I9 being 6.5 GHz, got my attention last night. When I looked at mine I just got, Intel Core i9-12900KS - Core i9 12th Gen Alder Lake 16-Core (8P+8E) 3.4 GHz LGA 1700 150W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071512900K, I noticed on Newegg it says 3.4ghz yet on Amazon, the same exact CPU says 5.2 GHz, so which is the true info?

tranquil wolf
cerulean wadi
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14 drives and.... a KS. pepehide

compact zenith
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Down to 5, and those will be kept disconnected until needed.

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I should check what the system says it's at. Id try overclocking, but not till I get a better cooler.

cerulean wadi
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Slap whoever said get the KS, even if it's you.

grizzled bloom
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It's literally just an overclocked K

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A pretty mild overclock all things considered

mild jackal
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It's higher bin, but that money is better spent elsewhere until you have an 8k build or something

limber dragon
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I've built with a ks before, vids are stupid low

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Granted it was like $5k not including the 3090 he provided

compact zenith
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I got the Aorus Z690 master, with 64gb ram, and I9, to handle gaming, servers, and programming I do. Sometimes I write articles, but that's just on the side, and on rare occasions. I'm working on a top 20 multiplayer Terraria clone article as we speak. Best money spent with the fury 2tb NVME, as I can keep the spindles offline easy enough, and run everything off the NVME. The satas are only for storing over 500 steam games, only touched 50 of them so far, other drive space movies and shows, but the gaming servers and their clients, those I keep on the NVME. Fastboot I'm into Windows instantly, unless I forget to take a SATA offline. My system started booting up again on its own, or so I thought. Turns out, my wife's cat discovered she can turn the system on, hopping onto the keyboard. She likes attacking the fish on the screen saver. I was looking at an old ide pin drive today, to see if I could find my old hex editor and key for it, when I almost clicked an installer, for the most horrible program I remember having one hell of a time removing, that my kids had installed 6 years later. Talking parrot, BonsaiBuddy. I still consider it a virus till this very day.

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Heh, Wikipedia has it wrong. It came out in 1999, not 2000.

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Anyways, thanks for the help Ravel and Fal. I may have spent a bit more than planned, but least I won't be frying any more hard drives with Gamax ๐Ÿ˜‚

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I'm hoping 64gb is enough. My 390z was 128gb. To me, my own PC is like someone's dream car. Sadly I can't drive. Heck, I'd be one of those people, accidentally driving into a 7-11 drive through that didn't start out with one if I did heh.

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Next plan, frying spell check on my phone.

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Bbl

compact zenith
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Forgot to mention. The issue with efi and recovery partitions being moved, it in consensus that this is taking place during the fresh format windows 11 install process, when it asks you to sign into your Microsoft account. Microsoft isn't just saving your hardware serial numbers, they are saving images of your past systems and using that information to put what they think is best for you're new system, based on old habits. In other words, it's just another feature Microsoft is ramming down our throats, if you want it or not. My older satas they couldn't move the partitions, because I put jumpers set to prevent writing to those drives. I got films and pictures backed up of my kids as they been growing up I don't want to lose, and it just takes one slip, to lose them all. Got multiple backups, but far as the lifespan goes, can never be safe. The newer 14tb spindles, don't seem to have those write protect jumpers. Like the 16tb EXOS Seagate. I don't see them on those and wonder if they did away with the option, or set some type of bios setting that requires a utility. Last year I purchased an off brand 8tb SATA for $80. Wasn't going to use it for anything important, and stupidly didn't read the warnings and activated the write protect application. Found out after, it's permanent. Ever wonder if drives that can't be written to, can still get viruses written to them? Company in China wanted $200 for me to send the PCB in to reset it. Tossed it instead.

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Only reason I didn't try doing it myself component wise, the drives PCB was encased in a centimeter of black epoxy.

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Brb, think I got images.

compact zenith
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Sorry, got distracted over the RGB settings. Took me a moment to realize one of the RGB fan controllers is bad, or more likely, wired wrong. The controller, 1 of 3, also has RGB, and when you use the remote to tell it to switch to motherboard, it stays solid, but switch it to it's own built in system, the fans go by controllers instructions, but the controller itself goes by mothetherboard. Easy fix since I got extra controllers.

frosty depot
frosty depot
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It's cheaper for sure. I just don't know if it's a good enough mobo to last a while.

vast meadow
frosty depot
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Thats a good $20 savings.. if I leave that cooler out, that's another $20

vast meadow
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Then why not just get a like 70$ board or something

frosty depot
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I figured all the boards were going to be around 100

vast meadow
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Bam

frosty depot
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Glad I kinda waited to grab some of this stuff.

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@vast meadow I just love pinging you. :)

450w psu would be more than enough for 10105f and 1650s yeah?

vast meadow
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Ye

compact zenith
# frosty depot Ok, so what happens if you install a fresh copy of windows without signing into ...

To be honest, I would need to see if it's even possible to even go ahead without logging in during installation of windows 11. Windows 11 halts installation if you don't connect to the internet, which was an annoying roadblock, when the install DVD and NVME flash drive didn't come with internet drivers. The Z690 in their infinite wisdom of moving ap center to bios, stupidly didn't include drivers for Ethernet, or WiFi, so was stuck installing windows 11 until I ran a command prompt shift-f10 and ran taskmgr to then be able to search the install drive and find the drivers I copied. Got past that block then got to a make and account or log in, so never did try to see if one can bypass it without making one. Windows 10 you can make a local account, but not so sure of 11 during install process.

frosty depot
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Install without internet. Don't connect to a network

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It's going to try it's hardest to get you to, but you can skip all that.

grizzled bloom
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Just like it'll try its hardest to make you think you need a license key

dull flint
long geyser
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OpenRGB best

dull flint
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glitched out on me so I stopped trying to make it work

grizzled bloom
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RGB memory is touchy. I've had it stop working when I bumped it installing a fan. Reseating it often helps.

dull flint
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it's been really robust lately, the trident software

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which is unusual, it used to be the worst of them all for me

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It might be their newest version fixed stability or something

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or maybe my lack thereof with mobo software now has something to do with it - not sure

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I just use the software tho to keep either white or off tho

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but yeah if only they'd fix the CPU drain issue lol

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1.4V

amber canopy
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L

cursive epoch
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the usual ryzen limit

amber canopy
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That wouldn't kill the chip outright, especially so fast

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Something else went wrong

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He probably just got unlucky with something

amber canopy
sterile flower
sterile flower
finite elm
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12500H or 6600H?

dull flint
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6600H

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Better battery life by a significant degree which is a big deal on mobile

amber canopy
sterile flower
compact zenith
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X79 trying to say that CPU fans aren't needed, because he can take a torch to one, and it will still work? Don't see any future pictures or videos after the torching ๐Ÿ˜‰

amber canopy
compact zenith
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What is that?

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Found out this morning, I basically wasted $100 on a new pro license. Microsoft after seeing my old hard drives and RTX card, transfered my Z390 license over to new system. My emergency boot drive uses old license, and normal boot drive has new. Tried to swap the old and system refuses. Not a bad thing, since I'm selling off my Z390 and rather it not have my technet license on it. Just got to make sure to use new drives when I use the last key.

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Z690 is definitely a huge leap from Z390.

hollow thorn
compact zenith
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My wife got woken up 4am this morning, as the Z690 booted up on its own, not with cats help like last time stepping on keyboard. Seems Microsoft can power on the system for an update, when powered down, not sleep. Guess if I want system to stay off, got to cut it's power. Only issue about it powering up on its own that early, it doesn't load in the RGB settings fully, hence my wife got woken up by a neon light show.

grizzled bloom
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That sounds like a hybrid sleep setting, disable hibernation

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@compact zenith powercfg /h off

compact zenith
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Thanks Fal. Discovered something else. Had 5 hard drives that supposedly just died, and put them aside to troubleshoot so I would know what hardware to order to fix them. Tested on three different Z390 systems, never would get picked up. Plugged them into the new Z690, and 4 of the 5 got picked up. Backing them up to a 16tb drive, just to be safe.

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All 3tb Seagates.

amber canopy
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Just had this come in for 180 + shipping ๐Ÿ˜

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compact zenith
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It have any M2 slots?

amber canopy
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right side of the board

compact zenith
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Now I feel dumb. Ultra M2. Got so used to seeing boards that come with heat sinks or covers, didn't even see the open slots.

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7 expansion slots. Not bad.

hollow thorn
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Real nice board though

amber canopy
hollow thorn
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So what you're saying is x99 and x79 are worse

amber canopy
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in terms of performance yes

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I still like the X79 platform more though

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X79 > X299 > X58 > X99

hollow thorn
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Add x299 enjoyer to your name smh

amber canopy
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lol

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done

hollow thorn
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Lovely

compact zenith
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I discovered one thing I absolutely hate about the Aorus Master Z690 board. Having to take out my NVME under it. The hardware blocks the tab, so once the RTX 2060 locks in, you can't reach the tab to unlock it to get it out again.
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Is X299 even a gaming board?

vast meadow
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That's fairly normal

vast meadow
compact zenith
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I was looking at the Manuel for my z690, because I noticed the SATA slots are numbered 2-3 4-5 and 6-7. It mentions a SATA slot 1, but shows no reference to it. I figure, either SATA 1 is a different connector, or it's counting the one on back of board?

hard leaf
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maybe sata A and sata B

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some mobos use that for the first sata drives

lyric wolf
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Hi

zealous storm
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does anyone know what may be causing this issue where my unopened files explorrer is not only making my whole pc lag but obviously destroying my 16gb of ram

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if it helps this is what HWmonitor shows

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grizzled bloom
zealous storm
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okeh, thanks

compact zenith
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Heh, I get lazy when it comes to having to run long tests, unless I'm on a serious project. Since my system is new, I haven't made all the backup types I normally do. My boot drive I only store the OS on, and it's programs I keep on another partition. When system starts lagging from all the installing and uninstalling, I just load into my emergency boot drive, and do a full OS partition image restore that takes 33 seconds. On rare occasions, if virus, then I'll diskpart all clean the drive and then restore the full drive. That takes 2 hours. Defragmenting I do once or twice a week too.

compact zenith
# grizzled bloom That sounds like a hybrid sleep setting, disable hibernation

I was going to check bios to see if there was a similar setting. I actually have sleep disabled for the PC as it's supposed to soon be a 24/7 server. Unlike past OS that I got to beta test long before release, I never got a chance with Windows 11, and though it's nice, Im still learning it, as only been using it for 2 weeks now. Don't like the task bar, that I'm turning back to Windows 10 type, when I get time. I liked the ability to yank up the task bar, and keep what Icons I wanted on it. Windows 11 is very restrictive.

grizzled bloom
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Hybrid sleep is not the same as sleep mode

compact zenith
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Knew you'd say that lol

grizzled bloom
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It's a low power state where memory contents are saved to the disk and reloaded on wake up

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Sometimes it'll default to doing that instead of shutting down

compact zenith
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When I tell the PC to shut down, the RGB ram sticks turn on and don't always go off. Guess it's time to start a new journal. Reason I look in bios first, is I try to avoid running a script, as when I restore or format, I might forget to use those scripts again, and hybernation isn't a bad one, but other types can really mess up a gaming server, like rAythena that uses 4 servers or Don't Starve Together, which mine uses 6. DST going to take a bit, as new Ethernet and wifi I got to program the Mac addresses for the adapters into both the router, and server settings files or that's seriously going to mess up.

amber canopy
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Actually, I'm one of those people

sudden creek
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Out of curiosity, is downloading ram still a thing?

upper aspen
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or are you being serious with using google drive storage as swap?

amber canopy
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Has this been updated

mild jackal
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It's probably been a long while. Would be a lot of work to keep it current

amber canopy
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yea

vast meadow
copper solar
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Who knows how to make ddr5 more stable

patent rampart
vast meadow
vast meadow
patent rampart
vast meadow
patent rampart
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Yea, I am upgrading from a b450 cause of problems with my m.2 drives and sata drives

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Ryzen 9 5900x to be exact

vast meadow
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Ohh i see

vast meadow
patent rampart
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I also have a 3080, doubt that makes a difference between pcie 3.0 and 4.0 though

vast meadow
patent rampart
vast meadow
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Okay

vast meadow
patent rampart
vast meadow
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Np

tawdry crag
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Guys 13600k or 5800x3d?

vast meadow
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We don't know yet but 13600k is looking to be the winner

cursive epoch
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^

mild jackal
cerulean schooner
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Hi there, Newegg sent me here...I was wondering if I could get some help with a motherboard selection please?

upper aspen
amber canopy
upper aspen
vast meadow
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they diddnt ask to ask tho lol

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they might just not be very tech literate

cedar kindle
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So Iโ€™m currently debating between r5-5600x or the i5-12400F CPUโ€™s (currently a $10 difference in favor of the i5 including a motherboard) I just saw they have the r5-7600x coming soon but itโ€™s $100+ more than the other options. Iโ€™m planning on getting a 3060-ti at the moment.

Can anyone weigh in on what they would recommend? I will probably make the purchase in 4-6 weeks.

vast meadow
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check prices again when going to buy

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also check r5 5600 non x prices usually a good bit cheaper than the x

cedar kindle
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Is the X just integrated graphics?

dull flint
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X is just slightly higher clocks, you wouldn't even know which is which side by side were it not for the letter

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5600 non x you can pair with a Prime B450M-A II and use it out of the box with a bios flash. Works out a fair bit cheaper than a 12400F and mobo

cedar kindle
dull flint
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12400F is also worth it for the single core gains tho, so really either of those aren't a bad idea

cedar kindle
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Ok, so pretty much just go with the best deal? On a side note will those CPUโ€™s be fine with a 3060-ti

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Iโ€™m trying to avoid having a CPU bottleneck like my current setup has

dull flint
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3060 Ti shouldn't be cpu bottlenecked even at 1080p in most games

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Not on a 5600 non-X or 12400F

cedar kindle
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Ok, thanks for the help! Iโ€™ll be running 1440p but I donโ€™t mind running mid graphics if needed.

dull flint
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Np

burnt spear
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What to yall think they'd do if everyone here just stopped helping people with their issues

burnt spear
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And what parts have you bought so far?

cedar kindle
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Iโ€™m planning on purchasing all the parts over the next 4-6 weeks

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Iโ€™d prefer to go cheaper, but if the performance bump is worth the price Iโ€™m willing to spend a little extra

dull flint
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You should probably wait to see what happens, 4-6 weeks is enough time for sales to change and rotate

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Also still new gpus on the way, rdna 3 and 13th gen all may have an impact

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1300 you could probably do like a 6700XT build rn

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Maybe 6800

cedar kindle
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Iโ€™m well aware the prices will change in that time, but I want to get some feelers out there on what to look for

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Iโ€™d prefer to stick with NVIDIA, not sure I fully trust AMD GPUโ€™s

dull flint
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Actually my estimate was wayyy off one sec

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Haven't done one of these for a minute

cedar kindle
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lol

dull flint
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That's 1300

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That's 1000

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PSU choices mightn't be perfect as things seemed to have shuffled a bit since I last looked

cedar kindle
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Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate it!

dull flint
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Np

burnt spear
cerulean schooner
# upper aspen just ask

My apologies. I wasn't aware of dontasktoask.com nor was I aware that I needed to be. I was asking to see if anyone was available to help with it. I was actually trying to be courteous in not assuming that someone was just sitting at their computer waiting to answer my question. I have never been on this type of forum before and have no idea what the proper etiquette is, but comments like yours tend to make people like me not want to ask questions on these forums. Thankfully someone else was kind enough to answer my question instead of nit picking my method for asking. No I'm not lazy, I have done my homework on the components, I was just confused about on aspect and was looking for more detail. Have a blessed day!

cerulean schooner
mild jackal
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Thanks for understanding. So yeah, try and give us some info on what you're looking for? Budget, use case, aesthetic preference, any parts that you currently own and plan to use with said board. @cerulean schooner

copper solar
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is sk hynix still better than samsung for ddr5?

mild jackal
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Very much so.

cerulean schooner
# mild jackal Thanks for understanding. So yeah, try and give us some info on what you're loo...

Thank you, I have an AMD rig with Asrock X470 Motherboard in a Cooler Master cube case with 16G ddr4 ram, 850 watt power supply and a Vega 64 Graphics card. I built it roughly 5 years ago. While the Vega is a good graphics card, it does not play well with the software that I use for work, so I want to rebuild in a different case with better cooling and Invidia RTX Graphics. Don't really want to get into a Quadro Card territory. I just purchased a 5950x. I want to stay with AM4 for now because I use my computer for work and don't want to deal with the issues associated with a new platform. I use it for mostly design work, gaming and I am an audio nut. I want great sound and graphics, I think it may be best to go with an external audio interface but I am certainly open to suggestions. I suppose I am having the most trouble deciding on a motherboard. There seems to be way too many choices but I don't feel like I understand the differences enough to make a solid call. Somebody on another thread recommended https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-aorus-pro-v2/p/13-145-271. This looks like a good option. I am interested in RGB but tasteful. Liquid cooling would be cool but not open loop. My budget is 3-4K....

mild jackal
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But you can run a 5950x in your current board

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Arctic freezer 280/360 AIO would be my pick

amber canopy
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The bstock 420mm one is still pretty cheap assuming it fits in the case he's using

cerulean schooner
# mild jackal But you can run a 5950x in your current board

Yeah, so that's one of the places I got stuck at. I read somewhere that to get the best performance out of the 5950x, I would need to go to the X570 chipset. But I'm totally fine with reusing the one I have if it will work, leaves more money for graphics card!

mild jackal
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Not really. Some higher end x570, or x570 gen2, or b550 boards are better for memory overclocking, but I don't think it'll matter for sure use case

cerulean schooner
cerulean schooner
amber canopy
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Lemme try to find it for you

amber canopy
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71 plus shipping

dull flint
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Nice

amber canopy
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You're in the US right

dull flint
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360 also there for no rgb iirc

cerulean schooner
cerulean schooner
rocky iron
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Just have a question if anyone can answer, when putting in a new motherboard, do you have to reinstall windows onto the same drive or no

vast meadow
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Technically no but you 10000% should

rocky iron
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ugh that would be so annoying, is there a down side if you don't reinstall?

vast meadow
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Yeah weird crap can happen

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It's way easier to reinstall right now trust me from personal experience

rocky iron
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well I'm thinking about it still, I also don't really have a way to reinstall it, unless I can install it on a flash drive through my computer now

vast meadow
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Just be careful cuz it will wipe the usb

rocky iron
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wait also how would I get my pro version that i have now onto the stick

grizzled bloom
grizzled bloom
rocky iron
grizzled bloom
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After it's installed it can take between 25-40GB

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But the installer takes about 6GB

rocky iron
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oh okay

rocky iron
grizzled bloom
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You don't need to worry about it until later anyway. Just make sure you're signed into your microsoft account so it saves the license.

rocky iron
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idk what my license is I have home version actually

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it was from a prebuilt

grizzled bloom
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It might be an OEM license and non-transferrable then but you can still try. It saves the digital license to your microsoft account, there's no key to worry about.

rocky iron
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Yeah i have my microsoft account connected to the pc

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i actually have 2 computers connected to the same account

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one is windows 11 home, and the other is windows 10 pro

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I'm upgrading my windows 11 computer

sudden creek
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What would be a bigger upgrade for me to do first? CPU or GPU?

I currently have a 3070 and a I7-10700f. Mostly do games like MC and Halo and a lot of video recording/rendering.

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I plan to upgrade to the 4090 and 13900K so ai was wondering which upgrade I should do first as I am doing this in steps.

grizzled bloom
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GPU

sudden creek
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Got it.

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Would there be a big bottleneck if I had done CPU first?

grizzled bloom
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Think of it this way.
If the gpu is the bottleneck then you're not getting as many frames rendered and cpu usage is lower.
If the cpu is the bottleneck then it can't send as many frames to the gpu for it to work on.
With your current setup the 3070 is the bottleneck in most 1440p games (and even more so at 4k), so upgrading that will let the cpu send more frames.

amber canopy
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This motherboard sucks and nobody should use it

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grizzled bloom
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Oof

amber canopy
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ive had it for like 8 months, it's just been particularly annoying recently lol

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gonna keep it since it's basically a collector's board at this point

grizzled bloom
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Do I want to know what happened to the ILM

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Could just be thermal paste on it but it looks weird

amber canopy
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its just thermal paste yea

sudden creek
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Also something there's one more thing I'd like to ask if you'd indulge me. The 13900K has support for ECC memory meaning I can later reuse it for a server correct?

grizzled bloom
grizzled bloom
sudden creek
sudden creek
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Would it still be fine?

grizzled bloom
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Personally I wouldn't use one of those for a server since the e-cores hurt it in those tasks. I'd disable the e-cores. It maxes out at 128GB of memory. In short, it would work with some tweaks and most game servers don't need more than 32GB anyway.

sudden creek
grizzled bloom
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Well to start with they limit you to only using windows 11 or higher which is less than ideal for any server

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Having the overhead of the task scheduler and it having to constantly switch things between e and p cores depending on usage actively hurts performance and responsiveness

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"Background tasks" get assigned to the e-cores. What's a server? Nothing but background tasks

sudden creek
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If I disabled all the E cores, would it be worse then a R9 3900?

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That's what my server currently uses.

grizzled bloom
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I haven't seen benchmarks with them disabled yet so idk

sudden creek
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Got it.

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Thank you for all the help you've done for me today.

copper solar
hollow thorn
copper solar
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er hynix m or a

mild jackal
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Lol, looking to upgrade the daily?

copper solar
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possibly

limber dragon
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Its either god m, or a. Most likely a

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I have a kit of backorder with eta ship date on the 19th

copper solar
dull flint
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@vast meadow

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NEW

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LT720

vast meadow
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Uwu

vast meadow
dull flint
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MORE INFINITY MIRRORS

scenic solar
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Can small magnets interfere with component If placed near/on motherboard rear I/O?

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(also GPU I/O)

cursive epoch
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nope

hard leaf
dull flint
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nice

burnt spear
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what server is this

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it looks stupid

dim cloak
zealous pond
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Do I need to upgrade from a 9600k?

burnt spear
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if you're buying a 4090, sure

zealous pond
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I don't plan on it. I also have an (XFX)RX6600

burnt spear
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then no

zealous pond
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Oh

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Hmmm

burnt spear
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if anything you'd go for a better gpu first

zealous pond
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Mm

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I only got the 6600 due to money reasons

burnt spear
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yeah thats fine, just saying the cpu is better than the gpu needs

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well

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needs used loosely here

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utilizes would be more accurate

dull flint
vast meadow
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Sheeesh

copper solar
midnight pollen
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If anyone knows any decent usb 3 controllers that have usb c and isnt asmedia ping me, if available at microcenter that is a plus

compact zenith
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I actually have a SATA USB PCI express, but for the life of me, don't know where I put the card edge part. I only wanted the controller to add an additional 4 sata ports, when I was running 14 Sata drives, off my Z390.

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Brb, getting specifics

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MZHOU PCI-E to USB 3.0 PCI Express Card incl.1 USB C and 2 USB A Ports,Adding M.2 SATA III SSD Devices to a PC or Motherboard Using M.2 NVME to PCIe 3.0 Adapter Card with Low Profile Bracket https://a.co/d/6imdv9I

MZHOU PCI-E to USB 3.0 PCI Express Card incl.1 USB C and 2 USB A Po...

MZHOU PCI-E to USB 3.0 PCI Express Card incl.1 USB C and 2 USB A Ports,Adding M.2 SATA III SSD Devices to a PC or Motherboard Using M.2 NVME to PCIe 3.0 Adapter Card with Low Profile Bracket

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New version. Mines discontinued