cpus-mobo-and-memory

[cursive epoch]

surprisingly

[dull flint]

also power up to like 400W+ now for 13th

[cursive epoch]

lol of course intel has to still overtake amd on that

[hard leaf]

its a race of brute force at this point

[cursive epoch]

amd got their consumption so much higher

[hard leaf]

heck energy

[cursive epoch]

intel is gonna one up them

[bronze summit]

just connect solar panels to pc

[dull flint]

AMD should have shipped all their new ass stuff with 65W power limits

[hard leaf]

instead of more efficiency they are pushing brute force

[dull flint]

It would've looked a lot better

[cursive epoch]

tbf it can get very efficient if needed, but that's mobile only

[dull flint]

indeed

6800H running at 5800X multicore

I'm pleased af

[hard leaf]

imagine setting pbo at 95c regardless of frequency xD

[bronze summit]

nah weak we need POWER

[cursive epoch]

i suspect 7950x won't get much gains if at all if it were to consume as much as 5950x

amd is doing brute force

[hard leaf]

i think i read that somewhere

at the same wattage is not as efficient as amd claimed

[cursive epoch]

it honestly is a letdown

[dull flint]

it's not

[hard leaf]

yeah, a flop essentially

[cursive epoch]

sure it excels in some games and workstation

[dull flint]

but also, it's a lot more efficient

[hard leaf]

im fearing for rdna3

[cursive epoch]

but that's it

[hard leaf]

seriously

[dull flint]

they just screwed the whole thing up

[cursive epoch]

yeah

that's why it's a letdown

[dull flint]

It is more efficient but they didn't ship them like that

[cursive epoch]

ye

[dull flint]

they shipped them on the limit

[cursive epoch]

it's the problem

[dull flint]

ye exactly

[hard leaf]

now i seriously think that the gpus will not deliver, and nvidia will win big time 😦

[dull flint]

it's ironic cos a 7950X looks like it'd do well in an SFF system

but not like this

[cursive epoch]

95c go brr

[hard leaf]

well 4090, here i go

[dull flint]

I'm still not sure

2.25x-2.5x the SM's

[hard leaf]

but we will see how good they will be used

or if they are badly implemented

with am5 as reference we now know that their charts will be all over the ceiling

[cursive epoch]

the gpus probably will deliver

but pricing tho

im kinda weary of that

[hard leaf]

at least they are using the old pcie 8 connectors

thats a good thing

not a horrible dongle

[cursive epoch]

can always use adapters even if they do use new pcie

[hard leaf]

the leaks suggested that no new 16 pin connector is present on those cards

not even the flagship

[bronze summit]

which ones

[cursive epoch]

probably 3-4 8 pin connectors lol

radeon 7000

not nvidia

[hard leaf]

i think 3 will be their limit, 4 should be a 16 pin instead

450w seems ok on a flagship

[dull flint]

honestly nothing wrong with them, I agree with Johnny on that one

[hard leaf]

yup

in fact im happy they do that instead of the horrible 16 pin dongle

[dull flint]

Can still yeet 300W on each 8 pin if you have things set up right and have no issues

[cursive epoch]

if you don't run something like 13900k or 7950x, i think a tier 850w psu will handle 4090 and 7900xt just fine

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-panicking-panic-run-stressed-gif-5303378

[hard leaf]

in fact im thikning in 4090+12600k on 850w will do just fine

[bronze summit]

well you know 3.0 ATX power supplys exist

[hard leaf]

if what nvidia said is true

[dull flint]

it will

[cursive epoch]

yeah that'll do

[hard leaf]

that dlss 3.0 will lower power consumption

[dull flint]

I did say 13400F

same thing

le thinkles

[cursive epoch]

ye

same thing

6p+4e

10 cores

[hard leaf]

hey, and what about 4090+4770k?

[bronze summit]

Lets get 2000W for precaution

[dull flint]

it will

[cursive epoch]

13500 got 6p8e

[hard leaf]

🥳

[dull flint]

in a copium wae

[hard leaf]

[cursive epoch]

or so i think

[hard leaf]

yup

13500 will be the new 12400

[dull flint]

either or is fine imo

it's not like cpu's are suddenly irrelevant

[hard leaf]

the sweet spot for budget

[dull flint]

with new gen

[hard leaf]

they are... what kind of peasant are you? 12900k user?

[dull flint]

a 12400F or 5600 scales all the way to 3090 no problem

[cursive epoch]

yeeeah

13500 does have 8 e cores

that's crazy

[hard leaf]

it is

but its far away

only K and KF skus this year

[cursive epoch]

won't make much diff in gaming from 13400 tho

unless you need the extra cores for workstation workload

[dull flint]

tbh this

[cursive epoch]

this is going to be the first time im recommending people non k i5 for workstation lmao

[dull flint]

If you want to pull the trigger now, 12600KF

[cursive epoch]

^

it'll be the same as 13400

[dull flint]

you won't see the sku's drop much if at all in the next month or two

[cursive epoch]

ye

[dull flint]

maybe black friday tech monday

[hard leaf]

well we missed the intel days window anyway

for the 12600k

[cursive epoch]

7600x probably gonna lose to a non k i5 in multi lolol

[hard leaf]

need ma copium

[cursive epoch]

13500 packing serious cores

[hard leaf]

it will lose no doubt

7000x series barely matches 12th gen

13th gen will destroy amd

[cursive epoch]

i didn't watch 7600x review yet

hwub has one

[hard leaf]

7000x was an example of "too little, too late"

[cursive epoch]

wait gn also has one too

[dull flint]

7600X has like 5800X multicore performance

[cursive epoch]

nah, more like "shoulda came with 3d cache"

[dull flint]

which is also 6800H performance

[hard leaf]

along with the heat properties

[dull flint]

kekw

[cursive epoch]

amd is forcing us to pay more for 3d cache ver

[dull flint]

I enjoy that flex

[cursive epoch]

as per usual

[dull flint]

my laptop is as relevant as a mid-range desktop lmao

[cursive epoch]

they need 3d cache

if they want to compete with intel

[hard leaf]

that's why intel is holding the 13900ks for next year... to fend off the vcache version

[cursive epoch]

if they want to give intel a hard time

[dull flint]

fend off and try to fend off until MTL

[cursive epoch]

they should've given us 3d cache for all skus

[hard leaf]

well, meteor lake is coming

and that is a whole revamp

[cursive epoch]

i suspect it's ddr5 only by then

[hard leaf]

poor amd

[hard leaf]

no doubt

[cursive epoch]

but by then price of ram won't be too insane

[hard leaf]

yup

thats a wise movement

ddr4 till now

[dull flint]

ima call it early, I reckon if the 13th gen is as mediocre in gains as Zen 4 was, then 7600X3D/7800X3D will be the gaming king

[cursive epoch]

intel still holding out

[hard leaf]

and ddr5 will be cheap by the time meteor lake hits

intel is playing the long game

[cursive epoch]

not cheap, but reasonable pricing maybe

[hard leaf]

for now it paid off big time

imagine a 7000+ kit at 150usd

32g

[cursive epoch]

like i hope to see sub $150 or something for 32g

[hard leaf]

in 1 year

[cursive epoch]

shame amd won't be able to run 7000 ram lmao

[hard leaf]

i mean, its possible

[cursive epoch]

6000 sweet spot

[dull flint]

it can

[cursive epoch]

faster it starts to desync

but desynced tho

[dull flint]

desync is actually fine

[cursive epoch]

that just wastes perf

[dull flint]

it's not like older desync

the loss in perf is mitigated more

so the question is instead

[cursive epoch]

i wonder if the gains outweighs the loss

[dull flint]

how much desync is good desync

ya

[hard leaf]

that make me laugh of amd users in fact.... they claim that am5 will have support for many years and yes, it will... but newer chips on the old 670 platform will be very handicapped anyway... so... long support is useless anyway

[dull flint]

this is what seby was on about

[cursive epoch]

am5 will have only 3 years of support or so i heard

[hard leaf]

that am5 long support is just a marketing gimmick with how fast tech is advancing these days

[cursive epoch]

amd shortening their long support lmao

[hard leaf]

yeah 2025

Dr Su said it

and we are almost 2023

[cursive epoch]

am4 being used for too long introduced a few annoying issues

[hard leaf]

few?

[cursive epoch]

like for some people, it's even never solved

yeah

like usb dropout

[hard leaf]

yeah i was being sarcastic

[cursive epoch]

sips had that problem with his 5800x

ah

[hard leaf]

but at least am4 lasted 6 years

[dull flint]

I did too

[cursive epoch]

but yeah using one socket for too long can limit innovation

not can, will

[hard leaf]

noit like the "long support" of 2 years for am5

[dull flint]

my bigger issue was random CMOS reset

that's finally gone

[cursive epoch]

oof

well least it's gone

[dull flint]

ya

cos I changed boards

[hard leaf]

amd is like intel now, 2 gens per platform

which, is fine

[cursive epoch]

yeah

it's actually wiser lol

better for coming up with better design

not limited by socket

[hard leaf]

there is no point in having a 6 year old mobo if you cant pull the whole performance of the new cpus

[cursive epoch]

^

[hard leaf]

not even a 3 year mobo

[dull flint]

amd doesn't need to do the shill consumer bit for us anymore now that they believe they have market parity

[cursive epoch]

it's just wasted potential just to be more "consumer friendly"

[dull flint]

so no more old boards

kekw

[cursive epoch]

yeah

no more consumer friendly

[hard leaf]

they still capitalize on the "long support" idea fopr marketing tho

[cursive epoch]

well 2 gens is still generous enough imo

[hard leaf]

which is a gimmick

[burnt spear]

I would be more happy about going intel if they supported more gensn

[hard leaf]

youll end on the same spot bacca san

[burnt spear]

I'd love to get a 12400f and be able to go to a 14400/14600k later

[hard leaf]

new cpu on an older mobo, not a good pair

heavy handicapped your cpu

it will run, yes

[dull flint]

imo they should go to a better socket way further beyond spec

[hard leaf]

but at what cost?

[burnt spear]

Meh not really

[cursive epoch]

yeah

They should just overbuild the socket

[burnt spear]

12400f with a b760 would be fine with a 14400

[cursive epoch]

Leave lots of room for future

[hard leaf]

think the other way... imagine a 14600f on a b660

it will run, but not at their full potential

thats the thing

[cursive epoch]

Let's make a huge socket with beefy specs for 6 gen support

[dull flint]

Me at Intel: "Hey guys, an idea:

[cursive epoch]

cpus keeps gettin bigger so might as well do it big

oh god i see some bent pins

[hard leaf]

a lot in fact

damn, thats painful to watch

[dull flint]

probably bent from trying to take the pic

[cursive epoch]

lol

[hard leaf]

take that out,

D:

[cursive epoch]

well on the bright side

[hard leaf]

that picture should be classifed as nsfw

[cursive epoch]

am5 will still take am4 cooler

[hard leaf]

ar at least have a spoiler tag on it

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

good and bad thing

[cursive epoch]

yeah

[hard leaf]

to try to appeal that, they forced the ihs

in a very bad way

[dull flint]

z height go brrrrr

[cursive epoch]

it's just stupid

[hard leaf]

good idea

badly implemented

[dull flint]

until b650 arrives at like, $150

[cursive epoch]

i winder about mtl tho lol

[dull flint]

it's all dumb

[cursive epoch]

will they take like 1200 coolers

a620 with xmp when

it's probably crap but still

[dull flint]

you guys see the PA120 SE review?

[hard leaf]

imagine the same ihs for the vcache next year... and the same ihs for the next gen.... and for the enxt gen

[cursive epoch]

se, ah yes

[hard leaf]

oh god... eff the long support

[cursive epoch]

the one that doesn't work well with alder lake

[dull flint]

Almost as good as AK620

[hard leaf]

they made a monstrosity

[dull flint]

no no it works well

[cursive epoch]

huh

doesn't it have flat cold plate?

[dull flint]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se/2

[hard leaf]

ew

ak620 is my only faith

everything else is heresy

[cursive epoch]

this is cheaper tho

but as good

[dull flint]

this was with an adl chip

[cursive epoch]

huh

[dull flint]

not quite as good

[cursive epoch]

okay, that's fascinating

[hard leaf]

yup

[dull flint]

but worth it for 40

[hard leaf]

it is good

not as good as the ak620 tho

[dull flint]

ya

[hard leaf]

shame felix

shame on you

[dull flint]

https://cdn.deepcool.com/public/ProductFile/DEEPCOOL/Cooling/CPUAirCoolers/AK500/Gallery/800X800/01.jpg?fm=webp&q=60

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[dull flint]

deepcool started it

[burnt spear]

That is a super nice looking heatsink

[hard leaf]

the ak500

yeah

[dull flint]

all the deepcool AK's look nice

[hard leaf]

the middle brother

[dull flint]

https://www.vortez.net/articles_file/46105_deepcool_ak400_review_intro.jpg

https://i.redd.it/fuv7oftxxjx81.jpg

RAVELL

HALP

[cursive epoch]

$109

jesus

[dull flint]

AUD

[cursive epoch]

oh

that's good then

[dull flint]

the answer to the cooler master master master cooler hyper master 212 cooler, cooler

stealth edition

[cursive epoch]

212

the 2009 cooler

[dull flint]

AK400 black edition when

[cursive epoch]

212 is fine, but like

for the price it normally goes for is erm

[hard leaf]

yeah 212 is not an ak400

[cursive epoch]

not good

[hard leaf]

cant do anything about it foxy, sorry

[cursive epoch]

lol

[dull flint]

https://global.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AK400-ZERO-DARK-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2022/16140.shtml

[hard leaf]

[cursive epoch]

rgb ak when

can always slap p12 on em

[dull flint]

nah no rgb 4 life

[cursive epoch]

kek

[dull flint]

these are so nice looking

[cursive epoch]

not like i care about rgb anyway

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/po-dies-dies-of-death-teletubbies-gif-23885910

[cursive epoch]

rgb is gay

[hard leaf]

[cursive epoch]

i mean it's rainbow

literally

lgbt colors

[hard leaf]

you want to see my pony collection?

[dull flint]

[cursive epoch]

you got colorful products?

that's cool

[hard leaf]

i have a colorful life 😄

and colorful friends

[cursive epoch]

i just want blue victus

[hard leaf]

no

[cursive epoch]

but it never came back in stock

cri

[hard leaf]

you should stay colorful

end of story

[cursive epoch]

it only has dark grey color option

[dull flint]

• TUF pokes ur shoulder *

[cursive epoch]

the performance blue went oos

tuf is still expensive

[hard leaf]

ew tuf products

ewwww

[cursive epoch]

2022 tuf is amazing tho

[dull flint]

2022 tuf is incredible yo

[hard leaf]

if i wanted something like that ill go the extra mile to strix

[cursive epoch]

6800h and 140w 3060/3070

[dull flint]

My laptop literally a desktop

no perf loss over mobile chips

[cursive epoch]

legion 5 feels offensively expensive now tbh

now that tuf can match it in quality

[hard leaf]

well your desktop is literally a water pump anyway

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

I

I concede

[cursive epoch]

legion is no longer budget option

such is life

victus remains

nitro 5 too, but ew acer

80w 3060, like tf

[dull flint]

but for around 1300 USD I did well for basically a 32GB 5800X/3060 desktop as a laptop with a screen

[cursive epoch]

tbf they did update vbios to 95w

cause acer underestimated its cooling capacity

but i dun like nitro

the idea of owning one makes me scared

[dull flint]

lets see what my lappy looks like on pcpp

[cursive epoch]

I want 140w gpu, only if I can get it for the budget I got lmao

[dull flint]

I'll even pick 5700x to give benefit of doubt

[cursive epoch]

With my country's currency rising

My budget basically dropped to 950 or so

But that's not a problem

Cause the laptops are already on sale before this even happened kek

So it won't have any effect

[hard leaf]

chonky

[cursive epoch]

gpu of a ded aib

makes me miss them

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NwVPY9

and I spent this much on it

as a laptop

lol

I couldn't believe the sale was real tho, I got 20% off on launch or something stupid

the cpu in it performs more like a 5800X

[obtuse forge]

What temp you get

[hard leaf]

like 40 on idle, 78 or something at full load, 12700k

full speed

at least that was the last time i saw it like a month ago

[obtuse forge]

Is it that one better than the pa 120 se?

[hard leaf]

it is

its on a par of nhd15

[obtuse forge]

I’m lossing some cooling performance because my ram is too tall for me to put a fan in the front so I’m planning upgrading to a vengeance LPX

[hard leaf]

ouch

[hard leaf]

at least is serving a higher purpose :3 it does rhino and revit with vray all day long as far as i know

no problems so far

[dull flint]

lpx not really an upgrade

just go to an aio imo

[hard leaf]

ls 720

[obtuse forge]

To 32gb

[dull flint]

even still

not really an upgrade

[hard leaf]

that pc use ripjaws with the ak620

no problem on ram clearance

[dull flint]

if you have 16gb already then imo keep using it

[cursive epoch]

vengememes

[obtuse forge]

Cooling performance I guess

[cursive epoch]

you can get some silicon power for cheap

[dull flint]

nyope

lel

[hard leaf]

well, the vengememes are cheap af

as well

[dull flint]

you can get some stonks cheap coolers for less than new ram tho

[cursive epoch]

but not as cheap as sp

[hard leaf]

heck you can even use some vulcanz

[cursive epoch]

yeah

[hard leaf]

better than vengememes

[cursive epoch]

those are the ones

dummy cheap

[dull flint]

or LF2 B stock/PA120SE (if it fits)

cheaper than 32gb

[obtuse forge]

I alr changed 4 cpu cooler less tha 10 month

[dull flint]

eh

how tall are your skyscrapers

[hard leaf]

damn

[dull flint]

PA120SE fits like, the second tallest DDR4 set, Trident Z's under it

[hard leaf]

4 cpu coolers and none of them were ak620?

shame on you pal

[dull flint]

if you have dominators then you can't be helped

you need an aio with those

[hard leaf]

i guess dominators can be used with an ak

i mean, even the neoz which are taller as well can fit below the 620 comfortably

[obtuse forge]

Well last year I don’t know too much about parts

[hard leaf]

good thing to have you here then

[obtuse forge]

I’m not here last year

[hard leaf]

last year i was like you as well, zero on pc parts

heck, meeting the gang here was one of the best things this year so far

well, back to work

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

https://www.overclock.net/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.overclock.net/attachments/1664313000510-png.2573595/

imo this is fine considering scaling

[cerulean wadi]

I'm itching to see* 13600K or 13600/13500. ADL on the low-mid, but Ecores and such so we'll see.

[frosty depot]

Idk if I wanna go for 13900k now.. I might just nab a 12900k if the price is gonna go down.

[dull flint]

It probably wont

If older intel is any metric of that

[frosty depot]

I see. Well I guess I oughta just nab the 13th gen then since its pretty comparable price

Idk. I'll think hard on it. I should probably just wait until next gen.

[hard leaf]

You should

alder lake and raptor lake are pretty similar

meteor lake will be a total overhaul

me? 4770k and i waited long enough.... raptor lake for me thx

[cerulean wadi]

Remember 13700K is sort of like a 12900K, but still IPC improvement.

[dull flint]

Or 13600K, all the benefits of 13th without paying for cores probably not used

[hard leaf]

[cerulean wadi]

Indeed, decent clocked RPL but it's not $400ish. I'm just gonna keep my eyes out for if 13600K(F) bounces near $230 like the 12600K did last May-ish.

[hard leaf]

That could take a while

Next year at least

[dull flint]

Ooooohhhh

No new Z690 unify X because there's no chipset improvements that matter for the new Z790's over what's already on Z690

Now I get it, Z790 Unify's would've been pointless

||(Lmao wrong person pinged)||

Nope nvm

Yeah I'm only seeing 2 dimmers missing

[hard leaf]

z790 kingpin and classified already announced pal

😛

you are late to the party i guess

[dull flint]

Haha gdi

That was the only one I didn't google

The one time evga decides to be early REEEEE

[hard leaf]

google meh 😛

basically i have videocardz as my home page every time i turn on my pc

just because 😛

[dull flint]

Damn well

We have strix itx

And we have z790 kp

Kek

And gigglebit tacky-on

[vast meadow]

But topology improvements?

[dull flint]

didn't see UX anywhere

[vast meadow]

Or well probs not right word but mem freq improvements

You know what i mean

[dull flint]

but on intel's slides they just said more connectivity for z790

[vast meadow]

That would be sad

Meh

[dull flint]

I mean Z690 UX was already pegging high with A die

no Z790 Apex by the looks of it either

nor Aqua

[vast meadow]

I watched gigabytes mobo stream cuz they had a giveaway of 7700x and x670 and ik wrong platform but they said more soon and didn't even announce tachyon so interesting

Maybe they're playing catch up

[dull flint]

the tacky-on

cos it kinda was

lmao

[vast meadow]

Yeah bro 7600x is so viable
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gZ43d9

[hard leaf]

244 on mobo and 200 on ram

[vast meadow]

That's the cheapest mobo

And cheapest 6000/above ram

[hard leaf]

was afraid to hear that

[vast meadow]

At least the cheapest on pcpp anyway

[hard leaf]

5600/12400 still the budget king

[vast meadow]

We know 13600k price yet?

[hard leaf]

also using an ak620 on those frying pans should be considered crimes against humanity

[vast meadow]

Nah they're supposed to go to 95c

[hard leaf]

almost all rumors point at a 10% increase across the board

[vast meadow]

So even under custom loop I'd say they only go down to like 70c or something

[hard leaf]

13600k at 330, 13700k at 450 and so on

[vast meadow]

Even still
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cdj9Fg

Oh 330, that's only a 10$ increase

[hard leaf]

only K and KF skus anyway, not sure about the non k... probably november or next year

[vast meadow]

320 was 12600k msrp

[hard leaf]

yeah its not that much of an increase

[vast meadow]

January for non k's

[hard leaf]

yeah they are almost at the same price

BUT

you can go even lower on ddr4 with raptor lake

and ill assume the performance should be similar if not a lil lower

[vast meadow]

Yes but i was just keeping 1:1

To elim variables

[hard leaf]

yeah on 1:1 they are almost even

but the real budget king will be 13500 plus ddr4

all of us and their grandmas know it

[vast meadow]

100$ cheaper 1:1 cough cough

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V7rssL

Non even

Sorry 70$

[hard leaf]

well 3600c16 is a pretty good kit

[vast meadow]

145 cheaper on d4 with good d4

[hard leaf]

you can get away with 3200c16

[long geyser]

Gotta set to G1 tho cuz most likely default to G2

[vast meadow]

Yeah but you could also get away with ddr5 5600

[vast meadow]

On z690?

[dull flint]

b650 will help in a month

[hard leaf]

dont think so on a 13600k

[dull flint]

but also still cringelord price

[vast meadow]

Absolutely low end b650 is supposed to be like 140 iirc tho

[hard leaf]

i bet those 13th gen will support 4000 as default on g1

[dull flint]

ya

[hard leaf]

no problems

[dull flint]

the new D4 boards supporting 5333+ OC

which is no different than before BUT

they may be a little better even still

[long geyser]

ALD has proven to have issues running at 3100+ G1, unless Intel massively improves their IMC binning then yeah.

[hard leaf]

yeah but the quality tho, even gamer jesus said it... if the mobos that were supposed to be at 300 are at 400, cant imagine the quality on those 150 boards this gen

the price on everything skyrocketed on every new tech thing... indeed, moore law is dead

[dull flint]

X670 also uses 2 chipsets don't forget

and B650E exists too

[hard leaf]

my guess is that 200 will be minimum for a decent b650 board

everything below probably trash tier

[vast meadow]

Odd

[hard leaf]

the return of the north/south bridge oh boy.... those were the days

[vast meadow]

I haven't heard at all although who checks gear when reviewing

[hard leaf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull flint]

Gears are a massive thing for ram

[vast meadow]

Yeah probs like a hdv or something lol

[dull flint]

that's like synced or desynced DDR4 ryzen

[vast meadow]

Isn't that only the e variant or all x670?

[dull flint]

all x670 iirc

it uses two linked b650 chips

[vast meadow]

Ah gotcha

[long geyser]

That said pretty rare for 3100MT/s issues. For 3200MT/s most boards def default to G1, but Orange found that couple of boards set to G2 for 3600MT/s despite everything being capable of running G1

[dull flint]

ya cos IMC voltage lock

[vast meadow]

Yeah I've heard boards defaulting to g2 on 3600 but not 3100/3200

[dull flint]

it defaults to like

0.75V or something SA

so higher frequencies are a no no

[vast meadow]

Depends on mobo

[hard leaf]

sa locks is a bihtc

[dull flint]

some chips/boards do it better, others ripw

[long geyser]

Only couple of reports about ~3100 G1 issues. Seems to be rare

[vast meadow]

A pro is like .94 iirc from sips

[dull flint]

suppose it's whatever autos

but yeah it's usually low and results in poor G1 compatibility for non K

running wider timings could help but also why do that

[long geyser]

Either means that Intel still only officially supports 2933 G1 or those reports were lemons that could be RMAd. I would assume the former tho

[dull flint]

it still runs 3200 base tho

like even if G4 it still works

just horrible

ultimate cope

[long geyser]

bruh 3200 G4

[dull flint]

have to be a pretty sad sample for that tho

[long geyser]

I want my 3200 G0.5

[dull flint]

inb4 G1.5 GDM

[long geyser]

Could be a thing in the future

[dull flint]

ya be interesting actually to see how Ryzen 7K handles desync

[long geyser]

Allegedly handles it quite well, so that'll be interesting to see

[dull flint]

ye that's what I heard too

[vivid lynx]

anyone around to help?

[vast meadow]

!ask

[devout moth]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[vivid lynx]

so my friend didnt realise his msi bios was two years out of date so he did an update through there software now after the update usbs arent working in windows but do in the bios? any fixs for this?

[vast meadow]

Downgrade the bios?

[dull flint]

go back

then don't update as far

or don't at all

honestly for normal people updating a bios is not really a healthy thing to do like keeping windows up to date

update your bios if things don't work (or in this scenario, go back)

[vast meadow]

Well every so often there's a pretty big vunerability patch

Wow i spelt so bad autocorrect had no idea what i was on about:(

[dull flint]

yeah but even still, is that worth losing random things on ryzen? not really

it's shaky on AMD tbh lol

[vivid lynx]

well he thought two years old was a while plus hes been getting random stuff happening, how would be downgrade if he cant get into windows

[dull flint]

once I find a stable bios I stick my roots in

do they have a bios flash button?

when you update bios btw it doesn't auto to windows, it autos to bios

well at least in my experience

[vivid lynx]

msi b550-a pro atx am4 he did it over night, will clearing the cmos help?

[dull flint]

it has a bios flash button

he can go back

he'll need to look up the instructions on how to do it tho

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B550-A-PRO/support

https://storage-asset.msi.com/files/pdf/How_to_flash_the_BIOS.pdf

[vast meadow]

@vivid lynx id try downgrading to
7C56vA2

Since that's the one with supposed improved mouse n keeb support

[vivid lynx]

ill find it, how does he downgrade

[dull flint]

I posted the instructions right there

[vivid lynx]

sorry you might have said it aha

[dull flint]

lol

[vivid lynx]

so he needs to download that bios version onto a usb then plug it in go into the bios and set mflash and download that bios version

[dull flint]

ye

[vivid lynx]

sweet

[agile jolt]

Do yall think an upgrade to the 5800x3D would be beneficial? I only have a 6700xt

Cause if it's on sale I might buy one eventually

[burnt spear]

What's your current cpu

[agile jolt]

Base 5600

[burnt spear]

Unless you're playing esports competitively not really worth it

Not with a 6700xt

[agile jolt]

Ah

Dann

Damn

Thought it would've been a nice upgrade

I heard it has really good 1% lows

[burnt spear]

You'd get just as good improvements from ram ocing/better ram unless you already have oced b die

Might be worth it if you can find one dirt cheap used

But that's about it

[agile jolt]

I don't think my ram can oc well

Irk

Never tried

Not the best quality ram

Cheap corsair I think?

Lemme check

[scenic solar]

Yay.... Ryzen 7000 are all +23% more expensive than MSRP in EU
I wasn't gonna buy anyways

[dull flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOYYHNGlLs

[frosty depot]

Does this seller seem legit? I know literally nothing about Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195292979324

[cursive epoch]

Seller looks very trustworthy

Looks legit to me

High ratings

[frosty depot]

Thank you. I am putting a pc together for my 8 year old so I'm thinking used is an ok way to go since she won't be doing anything super intensive.

I even feel like the 1650s is a tad more than she'll need, but it's the only spare GPU I have atm.,

[cursive epoch]

Yeah lol

But well, not having to spend money is better

[frosty depot]

any recs on a gpu that can handle 1080p 60fps with medium graphics?

that would be cheaper than the 1650s?

[cursive epoch]

none really

1060 is the same perf

so is 580

wouldn't really go lower than that

1050 is just plain meh

[frosty depot]

She won't really be playing all that many intensive games that I can think of.. Just the new disney game and learning style games.

[burnt spear]

At that point I'd just get a 5600g and add a gpu later on then

Prolly get a 550w asus tuf to keep the option of a gpu in a few years

[frosty depot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PHv7Zw

Is what Pato suggested so far. I have the case/psu already

[burnt spear]

Why not stock cooler?

[frosty depot]

I want to make it look pretty for her with the lights.

[burnt spear]

Ah

[frosty depot]

I have all the fancy light up fans from my first build I'm going to use as well.

gonna set them up through the hub and have them controllable with the reset button on her case so she can change it whenever she wants.

anyways.. No cheaper GPU that I can get for her use case? The 1650s was able to play quite a few games at mostly max settings 80ish fps on 1440p

I'm only looking for up to 60fps on 1080p.

[burnt spear]

I mean, if it's just games like roblox and minecraft just run an igpu

[frosty depot]

Well the main game I'm getting for her is the new Disney game and to run it at recommended, even the 770 UHD falls short.

[burnt spear]

Then I'd really just stick with the 1650s. You won't find something that's noticeably cheaper and worth it

[frosty depot]

Alright. Since I already have it I suppose that's the best option.

[burnt spear]

I mean if you can find a sub $75 970, 1050 ti, 1060, 1650, maybe

[frosty depot]

Bacca.. Thank you for providing me with a solid card for my daughter's first PC ❤️

[burnt spear]

Np, glad it's worked for you as long as it did too

[frosty depot]

OCed like a champ. Gonna miss it.

Was my first GPU as well lol

[burnt spear]

My favorite thing about a new gpu is ocing for timespy

I've got a 1660 I'm putting in my current build for my brother when I finally rebuild, gonna play around with it for a little bit

It was a repaired gpu and also ventus 2x, so likely won't be great for ocing but will be fun to see what it can do

[frosty depot]

I know I said I have a PSU already, but it's a rm750 and that's quite overkill for this build. Is there a PSU you can recommend? I was thinking of something in the 400w range (if that is even a thing)? I don't see needing anything much more. Won't be OCing it.

[burnt spear]

Asus tuf 450 or 550

[frosty depot]

welp.. 550 is only a few dollars more so may as well get that lol

[hard leaf]

late to the party, but yeah... intel will win @vast meadow cheaper than expected

plus ddr4

[vast meadow]

5800x3d actually does worse in csgo cuz lower clocks

[vast meadow]

Pog same msrp

[hard leaf]

october 20th

yup, now the 13700kf seems juicy

[vast meadow]

Stop tempting me

[hard leaf]

for the same price as the 12th gen, yup, no reason now to downgrade

[naive pendant]

Please send help all 6 of my rear panel audio jacks are shorted to each other

I get no audio at all it's nothing but squealing and DC noise and when I talk into my mic I hear it everywhere

[devout moth]

LucyTheFluffyBunny#1909 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[naive pendant]

Oops

But yeah I think this motherboard is a little bit broken...

[frosty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/emperors-new-groove-lead-you-down-the-path-that-rocks-lead-guide-path-gif-4781330

[warm frigate]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089CQFHHZ/ref=emc_b_5_t

good mobo?

[hollow thorn]

bad price

[hollow thorn]

And also, why are you buying a b550 board rn?

[warm frigate]

dont know what else to buy

what is a good board for the 13400

[hollow thorn]

uh, b550 is for am4

you need lga1700 for 13400

[warm frigate]

any good mobos you recommend? with wifi tho

[hollow thorn]

I'd wait for 13th gen to release first though

we'll need to see if they need bios update or not

[warm frigate]

alr

[cerulean wadi]

Doesn't hurt to expect needing a bios update for 13th gen, but also could get a mobo w/ cpu-less & ram-less bios update.

[hollow thorn]

ye but annoying thing is cheaper b660 boards don't have bios flashback

[hard leaf]

to my knowledge some mobo manufacturers already released the bios update for the 13th gen a month ago

so, technically are 13th gen ready now

[hollow thorn]

so 200$ mobo or wait and see if update is necessary or not

[hard leaf]

still a 700 mobo should be a superior buy

[hollow thorn]

ye but we need to see if old stock will support it or not

[hard leaf]

i mean, the bios update was for the old stock

the 600 series have bios ready to download on some manufacturers

[hollow thorn]

Mobos only have the bios version they got when they were produced, so a mobo produced 6 months ago has no chance of having a 1 month old bios

[hard leaf]

ok, i mean the one on the shelf of course not

but you can update it already

thats what i meant

[vast meadow]

except a lot of the 600 series boards have bios flashback

sooooooo

[hard leaf]

if you buy a 600 mobo you should update the bios, you cant expect those to have lastest bios anyway

[cerulean wadi]

That's most mobos.

[hard leaf]

yeah most mobos ofc

not all

the pc that built for my sis have the lastest bios, should be ready for 13th gen xD i updated everything when i build it 😛

back in august

[hollow thorn]

look at b660 boards, most don't

[hard leaf]

well he have a point

a 660 for a 13th gen without bflashback is a gamble

a very bad gamble

[cerulean wadi]

Bingo. Skill issue and/or "sounds like a you problem" if no bios flashback. Also hard pass on depending on July bios for a cpu I get 2 months later. Bound to be a fresher bios very soon.

[hard leaf]

pretty much

just want my ddr4 edge z790 like today!

[vast meadow]

Okay well not all but there's literally a sub 150$ board that has it so
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6ft9TW/gigabyte-b660m-aorus-pro-ax-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-aorus-pro-ax-ddr4

[hollow thorn]

I was looking by rear io, that board is weird and has button on the board

[vast meadow]

Yeah imo makes more sense off io anyway

[hollow thorn]

Meh, I think it makes more sense having button where you plug in USB stick

[cerulean wadi]

Thats literally what pato meant, lol. On board isn't that weird. You do the bios update instantly when doing breadboard setup & future updates probably wouldn't need the flashback button anyways.

[hollow thorn]

?

"off io" would be off rear io and on the board

I'd prefer it being on rear io for most cases

[vast meadow]

Yeah that's fair anyway v nice board for under 150 and white for those who care

[hollow thorn]

Ye

[wind karma]

https://youtu.be/FaOYYHNGlLs

ryzen 7000 power consumption is wild

30C cooler and 50 watts less with basically the same clock speed

[fleet hemlock]

does this mobo have bios flashback?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pzstt6/msi-mag-b660m-mortar-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-b660m-mortar-wifi-ddr4

forgot to put the link silly me

[tranquil wolf]

looking at this pic of the IO on the mobo, i do not believe it does. Generally one of the USB would be listed as BIOS or have a button that says Flash on it. Also, browsing the info of the board, not seeing it listed as a feature

[fleet hemlock]

mmmmmm thanks

[fleet hemlock]

i reeeeeally like the features of this board but the 13600k tempts me greatly

off the top of your head do you know any other mATX b660 boards that are up to par with that one that contain bios flashback?

[tranquil wolf]

only boards I am finding w/ a "Flash w/o CPU installed" feature are Gigabyte B660 boards (Q-Flash), I am sure someone else can chime in if i am overlooking some

[fleet hemlock]

Yeee i found one

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145374?Item=N82E16813145374&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-reAkzWDB2sQrUXpFh3glVA

[tranquil wolf]

that was one of the ones i am seeing

[fleet hemlock]

It looks nice

Good VRMs and enough m.2 slots

well for the build im planning

i wanna do a 13600k + rx 6800 (unless it is replaced with something in the 500$ range)

[tranquil wolf]

i currently have a 12700k on a z690, w/ RTX3060 but i am looking into a 6800XT as well

[fleet hemlock]

we both should probably wait and see what AMD has to offer on November 3rd

[tranquil wolf]

that's my plan

[fleet hemlock]

the temptation of the 520$ rx 6800 is so strong though…..

[hard leaf]

depends on the budget

dont expect anything below 800 on nov3

amd will release the big bois first, as nvidia

[fleet hemlock]

500$ for a 6800 might make sense the

[hard leaf]

yes

but if you are looking to spent more the 800 then you should wait

[loud stone]

is anyone here good at math?

[burnt spear]

Maybe

Depends how much math you need done

[loud stone]

aight

so for rotations

in geometry

[burnt spear]

Oh god

[loud stone]

how do u know when to rotate clockwise and counterclockwise?

[burnt spear]

I'll see if I can answer it lol

[loud stone]

a triangle

[burnt spear]

It's been so long since I took geometry, one minute

[loud stone]

ok

[burnt spear]

Yeah im sorry I got nothing

[loud stone]

its ok

[compact zenith]

Been using eBay for 20 years now. 100% Posative feedback. If a seller is selling something that the price just sounds to good, and they have like 95% to 100% posative feedback, I check for several things. One, age of account. There are sellers that make accounts and sell some cheap crap item, that gets them great feedback and a good amount too, then they sell high end items at cheap prices and book with the customers cash. PayPal and eBay only honor their policy if they can get the money back from the seller, if not, have to rely on your bank. If I buy anything on eBay, they seller has to have next to no negatives, and if they do, I check what they are. A seller with several bad feedbacks that say they never got an item should be avoided.

[hard leaf]

eh no

[compact zenith]

I only got scammed once, and the scammer stupidly hosted the images of his own PC so got his address doing a reverse look up and contacted their local PD. I purchased the full Stargate collection and he sent me DVD s in marker. Told me to f off.

[hard leaf]

paypal will give yuor money back

doesnt matter the situation

[compact zenith]

No, they won't. I had to get my bank to do a charge back because they wouldn't.

[hard leaf]

maybe you didn't qualified for that, your reasons maybe were weak for PayPal to refund the payment

had no issues with paypal so far and had two issues with sellers on ebay

if you have all the proof for your claim, paypal will honor their policy

regardless of who ends with the money

[compact zenith]

Buying a complete DVD set to get the cds in marker is definitely grounds for a refund. They refused, stating they were unable to get the funds from the seller, and my bank stepped in.

[hard leaf]

maybe you bought those with the family or trusted account option on PayPal which blocks refunds of any type

its one way how scammers get money from PayPal on the web

[compact zenith]

Ravell, ever wonder why PayPal and eBay don't allow pixel sales? That's gaming accounts and commodity like game gold.

You won't see anyone on eBay selling a WOW, UO, TF2, etc ever on eBay or PayPal.

[hard leaf]

i always wondered how those transactions are made

i mean, i had my share of paypal balance doin some arena boosts on wow back in the day

but never had any problem with paypal trying to take my balance

then i took an arrow in the knee.... and had 2 kids....

[compact zenith]

Either 2006, or may be 2008, or I should say until one of those dates, you would find accounts or gaming currency being sold at $100 per million or as low as $20 per.millon. depending on server. Ultima online for example, you could buy an account with a castle for $5000. Only sellers like myself who had trusted ratings got those sales. My rules were, they buy, they got the full game CD and license and game property with password. No exceptions, no new accounts. I kicked those who tried. They had to sign for the package with a driver's license, USA only. I stopped selling in 2005, when my daughter was born. Didn't have time to play. Two years lator, Electronic Arts banned over 800 accounts for either duping UO gold, or just having it on the character bought from another. Most sellers ran, and obviously PayPal couldn't get the money back so banks did charge backs and they lost millions. After that, they banned selling of accounts and gaming commoditys forever.

[hard leaf]

wow

[compact zenith]

I have over 200+, ratings selling pixels lol

Used to pay my rent back in the days.

[hard leaf]

yeah i paid funny things on those days selling boosts as well

my parents paid me my education, so all the money went to parties, girls and travel

had no bills at all 😛

and some other things i would not disclose here e_e

[compact zenith]

Oh, UO had boosts. Power scrolls when they came out, I could buy them for UO gold for 2 million, then sell on eBay for $900, Taming 120. It brought the taming ability 20 points above the 100 limit.

[hard leaf]

well i sold ranking boosts :P, like pvp combat, 2v2 and 3v3... usually carried some client to a desired rating and the website paid me on paypal balance for my work.... those kind of boosts

[compact zenith]

Rent, and fully stocking my first daughters bedroom lol

[hard leaf]

4 to 6 hours were worth like 150 to 200 depending on the desired rating, in my bracket was up to 2200 arena rating

[compact zenith]

EA got $30 for every account I sold.

[hard leaf]

didnt have the finesse to carry beyond that point on my own, those guys were paid more, like 400 per boost

4 to 5 boosts that month and oh boy... oh boy

[compact zenith]

I miss those days. 3 systems macroing over and over.

Wish I had my Z690 back In 1998.

Shockingly, only caught once for unatended macroing.

[hard leaf]

i will have my z790 next month 😛

[compact zenith]

13th gen?

[hard leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/816740503038459964.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[compact zenith]

Gawd, I know your going to show that to me every chance you get lok

[hard leaf]

told you to wait

[compact zenith]

OMG, I was about to say you would tell me told you so.

[hard leaf]

october 20th

🙂

[compact zenith]

Be back in a bit. Got to finish dinner, and try not to cry October 20th.

[hard leaf]

👋

[compact zenith]

Back for minute. Cooking sirloin steak, spiced potatoes, and 🌽. Kids helping but wanted me to do the spices as I have a knack of using every type, without measuring, and it. Makes my wife cringe lol

Anyways, twice now while booting up, computer beeped 5 times, quickly. Seems there was a delay with moniter, so going to check to see if connection or cable issue.

Didn't happen till after I added all the spindle drives

[frosty depot]

yeah I have this thing where when I boot up or wake up from sleep, all my screens come on then go black for a second then come back on. Sometimes it does this multiple times, sometimes only once.

[untold breach]

Good morning! I was looking for an AM5 motherboard with built-in Thunderbolt support (No AIC). A website said the Asrock X670E Taichi had it, but Asrocks website says it's USB4. Does anyone have any suggestions for getting Thunderbolt with no AIC?

[dull flint]

Wait for B650 my guy

If you really want to jump on AM5 that's what I would do

But tbh AM5 in general just isn't worth it

12th/13th gen intel or a super budget 5600 build would be much better bang for your buck

Cos you can use cheap boards with ddr4

[untold breach]

I'm coming from Intel 6700k with TB3 AIC. Anything is a big jump at this point

[dull flint]

Just gaming?

[untold breach]

Photo editing and light video editing too

[dull flint]

Hm, you can prolly do a 12600K build with an AM5 budget

Or 12700F

One moment

[untold breach]

I'm so sick of my TB3 AIC not working, then the only way to make it work is switch PCIE slots constantly. Asus wants me to send the mobo to them to look at it but it's out of warranty so it's just not worth it.

[burnt spear]

12700f

[untold breach]

Okay! Thanks

[burnt spear]

Am5 is a waste of money, it barely beats its 5000 series counterparts

While consuming much more power and costing a ton more

[dull flint]

You can undervolt it to use less power but yeah it's expensive as hell cos new platform

[untold breach]

I've read mixed reviews. It's hard to upgrade when a new line just launches.

[burnt spear]

Hell I'd recommend a 12900ks over a 7900x rn lol

[dull flint]

Wifi?

[untold breach]

Wifi and at least built in TB3

[burnt spear]

Well, look at benchmarks. The performance gains are marginal, biggest imporvement is multi core on the 7950x, everything else is depressing

Especially considering mobos cost a minimum of $350, and decent ddr5 is $175-200

[untold breach]

I do like intel's offering of not having to go with newer ram.

[burnt spear]

There's $130-$150 b660s that can run a 12900k fine

Whereas the lowest end am5 cpu requires a $350 mobo rn, since that's all they have out

[dull flint]

Hm, pro msi no tb4?

[burnt spear]

I've no clue what tb_ is

[untold breach]

Thunderbolt

[burnt spear]

Ah

[dull flint]

No tb4 oof

[burnt spear]

Nah I don't think so

[dull flint]

Ok

[burnt spear]

Check aorus pro ax

And mag mortar and tomahawk wifi

[untold breach]

I have the Sabertooth z170s and the Thunderbolt add in card has been nothing but problems.

[burnt spear]

One of them is bound to have it

[untold breach]

Thank you!

[dull flint]

Aorus pro ax nope

[burnt spear]

Otherwise will have to look at z690s

Maybe steel legend, msi z690a wifi

[untold breach]

Need ATX, doesn't indicate Thunderbolt

[burnt spear]

If none of those I'm outta ideas lol

Matx mobos can fit in atx cases

I've an itx mobo in an atx full tower lol

[dull flint]

Le oof I keep climbin and no tb4

[untold breach]

I have a couple cards to slot in. At least 3090 and a 10GbE LAN card

[burnt spear]

Matx should have two slots, no?

[untold breach]

Then I have my Wireless VR headset that goes into PCIE

[burnt spear]

Is the lan card pcie?

[untold breach]

Yep!

I have a 10gbe NAS on my home network

[burnt spear]

Z690 tomahawk wifi allows front USB c, but none on io

B660 tomahawk wifi same thing

[dull flint]

Omg I'm finding none with tb4 wth

Might have to do an aic

[untold breach]

Oh

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119523?Description=lga1700 motherboard&cm_re=lga1700_motherboard-_-13-119-523-_-Product&quicklink=true

Just found this.....

[dull flint]

The value proposition is still there but with an add in card

Yeah no not that one

Lol

Pro art expensive as hecc

[burnt spear]

@long geyser any suggestions?

[untold breach]

Yes but if I have to buy an AIC...is it really that much worse

[burnt spear]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119507?Item=N82E16813119507&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-119-507-_-09292022

Oh wait

https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi-d4/p/N82E16813119506?Item=N82E16813119506&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-119-506-_-09292022

Wifi and tb4

[dull flint]

Yeah tb4 looking to cost a bit

Is this for just VR?

Coa you don't need TB3/4 for VR necessarily

[burnt spear]

For vr I legit just used a USB c to USB a cable

Was more than fine

[dull flint]

Ya a good usb c is more than enough

[untold breach]

I have a 50' TB3 optical cable running to my tv in another room so I can game / edit there

[burnt spear]

Ah

[dull flint]

There are plenty gen 3.2x2 boards here that get 20gbps vs tb3 at 40gbps

Oh i c

Le oof

[untold breach]

IKR!?

[burnt spear]

Doesn't this work?

[untold breach]

Maybe as a last ditch effort I should wipe my PC and start fresh....

[dull flint]

I've seen boards with TB headers but not a TB plug

Would that work?

[untold breach]

No, it requires an Add In Card

[burnt spear]

So you need it to be on the io?

[untold breach]

It would be nice. Apparently, there can be issues with Add In Cards and Thunderbolt optical cables running into a dock

[burnt spear]

Also is it possible the aic you're using is just having issues, and a better aic would fix them?

Ah

[untold breach]

I'm hoping throwing money at this problem it'll be fixed.

And just not eating for a few weeks. Groceries are expensive inow

LOL

[dull flint]

Lol

[burnt spear]

I'd ask around and see if a better aic could fix the issue

[untold breach]

Ohhhh I just found it used.

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xKCL4s
Will update this if I see a TB board

But this should look relatively cheaper cos of the ram

[untold breach]

Thank you! Is that a good processor? The 6700k has been a great value for me over the years with a decent OC

[burnt spear]

12700f is amazing

[untold breach]

Just frustrated that I can't upgrade to Win11

[burnt spear]

It's fine to pair with even a 4090

Though if you're not planning on buying immediately, Oct 20th is 13th gen launch

[dull flint]

13600KF in that sense would be better if you can wait like 3 weeks

And then yes a Z board

[burnt spear]

I mean, z board isn't required

Just if you want to oc

And maybe some z790s or b760s will have tb

[untold breach]

Shoot. My knowledge is so outdated. So F can't be OC?

[burnt spear]

No, it has to be k or kf to be oced

Ex, 12700 has an igpu and can't be oced, 12700f has no igpu and can't be oced, 12700k has an igpu and can be oced, 12700kf has no igpu and can be oced

[untold breach]

Ah, I see kf is slightly less expensive!

[dull flint]

I have looked at so many boards now

[untold breach]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/zisconnected/saved/#view=LDWV3C

This is what I have now

[untold breach]

Me too. It's dizzying.

[untold breach]

Thank you so much for your input. Especially with processors

[dull flint]

Finally found one

Maximus extreme

Gdi

[untold breach]

Blah. The ProArt isn't in PC Partpicker

[dull flint]

Z690i strix has one

Trying to find the lowest in the stack with TB4

Ig this makes sense, TB is a premium feature but also, I didn't expect this to be so barren lmao

Ok, yield

I yield

@untold breach I would still look into a good Thunderbolt add-in card

I realise you want it with the IO but I don't think it's worth the extra it's seeming to cost here

Not even my UX has thunderbolt and I had no idea

FOUND SOMETHING

[untold breach]

What did you find?

[dull flint]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTnRH2

You wouldn't believe it, but a B550

[burnt spear]

Worth $10 extra for 3600c18 for an amd cpu

[dull flint]

True

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CMbPY9