cpus-mobo-and-memory

[hard leaf]

every ram is different on the silicon lottery

if not just turn on xmp and roll with it

You should check buildzoid videos about ram ocing, he is like the god of memory ocing

you need to survive his endless ranting tho

[scenic solar]

Setting like vdd, vddq, vddq2 and dram voltage i guess everything below 1.5 is pretty much safe

But im not sure...

[sterile flower]

Safe doesnt necessarily mean stable, however people have been running 1.4-1.55 vdd2 for daily with no issue on H16M, generally though just use what you need to run your freq/timings stably

[compact zenith]

Someone at Trustpilot doesn't seem to like Newegg. Been writing articles for them for 4 years, and wrote a good one for Newegg. Seems to have ruffled feathers over in Denmark, as they yanked the article first, then today all 4 years of my work. They offered to put some back if I paid them. O_o

I didn't even know they were outside the USA till today. No biggy, least the Important sites keep my work.

I'm waiting for my ram, then off to build. I'll have to use GameMax until I get my EVGA sadly.

[hard leaf]

dont

wait for the evga psu

if you waited this far, then wait a lil further

dont take any more risk with those terrible gamemax psu. everyone here already advised you on that

[dull flint]

especially with all these stories of fried stuff like, not even my gigabyte bomb P-GM did that

[dull flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861332432925098015/1021278077755588629/IMG_0219.png

[compact zenith]

Don't start showing .me drawer full collections of CPU please. I'm still absorbing the fact people collect ram still. I got to test the MB and CPU, and PSU I'm using to test hasn't had any issues in two years. If I wait for EVGA, it's past the 30 days. My hands are tied

Unless

[dull flint]

it's an unreleased cpu

lol.

[compact zenith]

Cores?

[dull flint]

16

releasing any day now

[hard leaf]

in 10 days i guess

september 27th so so

[compact zenith]

I thought AMD already had a 16 core CPU?

My bday is 21st so I hope Newegg ships my psu today. Canceled first order and change it to next day after Affirm botched up. Left them to fix what they did and used another form. Just hope it goes out today.

[dull flint]

they do

this is the new one

7950x

[compact zenith]

If I were to buy AMD, and that's a very big IF, I'd get the 32 core. Can only imagine the heat that one must generate.

Only reason I went with I9, this time around, I just didn't find any AMD socket motherboards that appealed to me.

[dull flint]

32 core is threadripper

i mean honestly threadripper you'd be fine for a while but that's big money

7950X is supposedly huge multicore gains tho so don't take it lightly even if it is 16 cores

[compact zenith]

Wow, didn't even realize they jumped to $3900. Last time I looked, they were at $2500

Guess AMD finally realized they had some good CPUs they didn't have to sell cheaper than Intel.

[hard leaf]

thinking on ditching your 12900 for a 13900 felix?

bet you are

[dull flint]

shhhh

maybe

depends on how good Zen 4/13th gen are

and not ditch

I will move it to secondary system

I may retire 5900X soon

[compact zenith]

Oh now Ravel is awake. Never when I need to make difficult decisions lol

[hard leaf]

😛

we dont sleep... we wait...

[dull flint]

I bought the TG lapping tool

kekw

[hard leaf]

full pepega mode this gen huh

[dull flint]

well ima return it if Zen 4 is stonks

or use it if both new gens suck on my 12900kf

[hard leaf]

you are not fully commited if you dont buy a delidder and a copper ihs

[dull flint]

or on 13900kf

[hard leaf]

just saying

[dull flint]

meh

[hard leaf]

[dull flint]

I don't need that much

eisbaer pro already at almost 300W comfortably

If I get to that magic 318W with lapping I won't need delid

[hard leaf]

imagine sailing at 330

full speed ahead

[dull flint]

STAHP

[hard leaf]

im just worried about buying an aio and a contact frame for my 13700k... the modafoka will try to pull as much juice as possible with that much cooling and my 850 wont be able to feed him along with 4080 😛

[dull flint]

13th gen is much easier to cool

it won't be an issue like with 12th gen

[compact zenith]

I used to work for a chip manufacturer that did outsource work for Intel. Never seen someone get fired so fast. In an hour or hire, they handled like 2k Intel chips with their bare hands, no gloves, no tweezers, and wow did that cause one hell of a mess.

[hard leaf]

still i have the contact frame on the cart along with the ls

waiting....

[dull flint]

ravell

accept my fr

[compact zenith]

Lol

[hard leaf]

oh, didnt saw it

[compact zenith]

Ravel, want my 1200w GameMax when I'm done?

[hard leaf]

hmmmmm

[hollow thorn]

send it to luke and have him review it

[hard leaf]

yup that indeed

[dull flint]

Review, more like roast

[hard leaf]

maybe he will review the roasted remains

[dull flint]

good question

[hollow thorn]

I mean, for science, it'll be fun

[dull flint]

will he roast it or will it be roasted

but seriously these stories about fried hard drives, that psu is dodgy man lol

[hard leaf]

on the cart waiting for October

[compact zenith]

I consider myself lucky then. All 4 systems in my home run off them, and the worst that's happened is hard drives PCB's dying

[dull flint]

that's what I'm saying

losing hard drives sounds sketch

[hollow thorn]

I mean, it'd actually be interesting to have someone who know what they're doing to take it apart and take a look

[hard leaf]

yup, send your gamemax unit to luke

[compact zenith]

I actually never suspected it could be the PSU.

[hard leaf]

he'll love it

[dull flint]

we could ask luke in cult server

[hollow thorn]

luke is in this server

[dull flint]

but will he read it

[hard leaf]

we can ping him

hehehehehe

tickles

[compact zenith]

My son told me to send it to the how 2 guy on YouTube. His videos start out sincere, then next thing you know, he's throwing eggs, torches, and other items at the item in question. I nearly died seeing him kill a new PS3 on initial release.

[long geyser]

@LukeTheCultMan we have the best PSU in the world, want to test it?

[hollow thorn]

Luke is the guy that made the PSU tier list and do reviews like
https://cultists.network/7017/gigabyte-p1000gm-review/

[hard leaf]

we have a cultist here that review psus, luke 😄

[dull flint]

it's one of the more credible psu sources of the internet, and luke writes for them

large collation of reviews, teardowns and first hand experience

properly tested

[hollow thorn]

well tbh luke is moreorless starting out on actually reviewing

[dull flint]

it's a citable source, if they say something is good or bad, they have a very good reason

[hard leaf]

yup they update the psu tier list that we use here everyday

[dull flint]

yeah but their lists are credible

[hard leaf]

thx to them i bought my 850g6 :3

very happy indeed

[hollow thorn]

aris is the op psu review guy

[hard leaf]

the last time i had a blackout the psu mantained my pc running for a split second before shutdown 😄

solid caps

[long geyser]

Luke only seems to have one (edit: found more reviews) PSU review with no testing, so idk if he actually has any PSU testing equipment. That said Luke could prolly get it into the hands of someone who could test it

[hollow thorn]

Yea, I think Luke can only open it up and take a look at components used

someone like Aris can do the actual testing

[dull flint]

I mean I'd still trust luke tho

all he needs is one look inside and he knows most of the time

[hard leaf]

he is part of the team, he can forward the psu to the next in line for a complete breakdown anyway

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[dull flint]

did you see MLID's response

basically like "Idk, still sounds dead to me, stop lying Raja" lmfao

really sounding like he's coping with being called out

[hard leaf]

yeah hahaha so funny, the comments are killing me

[dull flint]

leave it to intel for the biggest bag of hype and leaks

[compact zenith]

https://youtu.be/7Qqjx6WH64c

This guy, he'd do a better job with my ganax.

Tried to find his PlayStation one. I still cringe thinking about it

[vast meadow]

In most cases a 7950x would kick the 32 core threadripper's ass

[compact zenith]

Your comment just saved you from one of my walls of text lol. Ok, what is a 7950x, and I swear, none of that OMG, you don't KNOW???!!!

I build my PCs every few years, and go into hybernation. I'm not a teenager that knows it all, not anymore at least.

[vast meadow]

7950x is amd's new ryzen 9 flagship that will be coming out in like a week, 5950x being the last one but this one is on am5(new platform) and will be ddr5 only. It will also obviously be better even though they are both 16 cores

I believe it has more cache and will have higher clocks

But most users cannot even take use of 16 performance cores

And most users rely on single core performance, gaming etc, that 32 cores would be worse because lower clocks (and in this case older generation too)

[compact zenith]

I can, but not often. Reozma was supposed to take advantage using 6 cores, but that title is in abandinware now

Reozma was a Terraria/Starbound clone. Crashed and burned sadly.

Always the ones that show promise.

How can the 7950 kick a 32 cores butt? Not physically, it's just I stayed clear of AMD for years, and picturing a 16 core vs a 32 core paints a picture of a small kid, and huge bully.

Trying to wrap my head around the idea lol

$850 in China. Why wait for US and just import? Or the motherboards made to reject grey market CPUs?

[hard leaf]

different architecture

whole another level

[vast meadow]

Better single core perf

Obviously in multi core workloads the Threadripper 32 cores will win

But no regular user can really use 32

16 is even pushing it

I would be impressed

[hollow thorn]

also, right now, 5950x, a 16 core 32 thread chip, can beat a threadripper 2990wx, a 32 core 64 thread chip

in multicore

[dull flint]

each generation you get improvements from anything such as node shrinking so the architecture (the building blocks of a CPU) can be better to the cache (the fastest level of memory access and paging) to the platform itself or how it communicates to other parts of the system etc

[compact zenith]

Only two MMORPG games I can think of, make use of multiple cores. Don't Starve together, and rAythena, the Ragnarok emulator that uses 5 separate servers to run a world

[dull flint]

ipc or microcode is also another example of improvements

IPC is a generalised one though

implying instructions per clock or essentially how many things each cycle a cpu can do

a cycle implying 1Hz

of lets say 5GHz

improving IPC means more instructions or calculations are possible at any given speed

so therefore it runs faster

[compact zenith]

Can't say anything about Windows 11 yet, haven't had time to look at it, but with 10, had issues with aspects of the OS, not allowing use of other cores.

[dull flint]

L1, L2 and L3 cache also help a lot where it counts

providing more of each per core can help a lot especially with things like games where there's a lot of cached data

think of L cache like RAM, but it's much smaller and inside the cpu

but these little changes they do every generation is why the new ryzen chips take the older chips with more cores and threads to the cleaners

they're much more optimised, better design or architecture, lots of little changes here and there that make the newer releases have some benefit

unless skylake

[compact zenith]

My Z390, using more ram caused more bottlenecking with constant writing. Software developer just rewrote the games core to get around that.

[dull flint]

yeah but this is why ram only helps to a point

it's basically swap space

[compact zenith]

Can't for the life of me recall what the old system is called, that turns drive space into memory. I didn't even know windows 10 had it, till an update forced down my throat, turned it on, despite having 64gb of ram.

Brb, it's irking me lol. Looking it up.

Pagefile!!!!

My first NVME OS system, with 14 spindle drives, out of the blue started slowing down, a lot. Discovered pagefile got turned on and not sure why, other than an update, and it was stealing chunks of space off of several drives till I disabled it.

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/reject-modernity-return-to-monke-monke-gif-19167526

[compact zenith]

Happened right after the build 1903 update, though don't hold me to that, need to look at my logs. May have the build wrong. In mean time, I'll not use the GameMax and wait to get my platinum EVGA tomorrow.

5:45 this morning, while my kids were getting ready for school, my doorbell went off. Ever notice how ones doorbell sounds much louder in the AM, before having your Coffee? I answered it and it's a politician trying to hand me flyers. I tell the guy for gods sake, it's 5:45 am. His reply was most human beings are up now. I said up maybe, awake, sure as hell not. He then tells me he doesn't feel safe with me not wearing a mask. I told him, this will make you feel much safer, and closed my door on him, locking door and unplugging my doorbell. Oh, and grabbing the first cup of coffee before my kids drained the 12 cup pot for school.

I really need to adopt a rottweiler. My neighbor has 2 and politicians never bother him 5:45 am.

Ravel, that looks more like a chimpanzee. Speaking of which, always wondered why BJ and the Bear was one of the series most hard to find. Didn't realize there was more than one incident, where people lost their faces to them when they got older. Didn't even realize they got much bigger due to TV.

[dull flint]

Looking like I'm going Intel for next-gen
https://www.techpowerup.com/299002/early-core-i9-13900k-review-hints-that-it-holds-up-to-the-20-40-claim

[compact zenith]

Just chased my Karen of a neighbor off my property. Delivery just came, and while we were checking in my Orders, Ms Karen who didn't feel like waiting, came over here and got into the poor guys face. He stepped back, to avoid her swinging finger, and we both heard crunch, as he stepped on a non padded envelope, holding my new RGB GIM fans. I really need a rottweiler lol. Something doesn't want me building my new system 😦

I'm just glad it wasn't my new ram going crunch 🤣

Last year, she ordered a pizza hut pizza, which made me want to order one too. I got mine in 38 minutes, while no one brought hers, not even 2 hours later. Asked the driver next time we had him why. My order was $50 with $20 tip. Hers was $240, no tip, and insane instructions.

[compact zenith]

New ram came today, power supply tomorrow. I can finally build. Might have an issue though. Just wrote service. When replacement came, invoice lost it's order # and turned into a return as well. Ram looks to be smarlock, which is like gift cards, where they don't work until scanned by register. Stops theft in it's tracks, but same time let's keep fingers crossed this ram is activated.

Amazon shipping me five new fans for the ones stepped on earlier. Won't interfear with my build as they were just backups to use in my daughter's case when I'm done with mine.

[hard leaf]

first time i hear such ram type exists

[compact zenith]

Well, said power supply was shipped but waiting for carrier pickup. That means Wednesday delivery. I get to build my system on my bday 🥳🥳 baraing any further chaos, like GameMax buying out EVGA with my luck

[hard leaf]

how can they activate if you cant boot the pc? o.O

seems like a paradox

[compact zenith]

Ravel, this type of security been out a few years now. I been wondering about that myself with the ram

[hard leaf]

well, the more you know

a new thing to research

[compact zenith]

News 7 did an article on it last year.

Phones, tablets, laptops, software, won't work unless scanned by the register.

[hard leaf]

cant find anything related to that tech

so, it came unlocked from the seller? or do you have to do something additional to unlock it?

pretty sure every module of ram sold today is plug and play, really weird to hear about this type of smartlock ram thing which need some kind of verification to unlock

[compact zenith]

Many software and electronic items, usually the expensive ones, unlock when scanned like gift cards. If you let's say got a CPU or motherboard that came DOA, most likely the security device didn't disable. As for my ram, it has a scan barcode that is exactly the same as phones and gift cards. My only worry is this replacement is now marked as a return, so no clue if it's unlocked or not. When I get my power supply and hook it all up Wednesday, well know

[cursive epoch]

That's not how it works?

Not for cpus and mobos, or any pc hardware ever

Like

EVGA GPUs that got stolen and went to Vietnam didn't even need any "unlocking" to work

It was stolen from a shipment truck in the US

[misty lotus]

Whoops

[cursive epoch]

speedy

i wonder how it stacks up against 13900k

[misty lotus]

Fclk only 2600 tho

[cursive epoch]

yeeeah

[misty lotus]

Asking the person who has it to confirm if it was crippled by ln2 oc

[cursive epoch]

Anyway I don't think mobos or any pc hw has security feature like that like items in the malls does lol

I only see something like that in retail stores and stuff, and they put some alarm device on the boxes

If it's been forcefully removed, it'll sound the alarm. But it couldn't lock the device or hardware inside that box since it's just a simple alarm

If there were such locks in place, we would've had info about it

Such things so far only exists for softwares

[dull flint]

Likely not lol, if the rumour mill is anything to go by

[cursive epoch]

^

[misty lotus]

Fclk maxed out at 3000 for 1:1. Started to "desync" at 6200 with 1:2 ratio

Confirmed by the person who holding the cpu

[cursive epoch]

oof

gonna be limited by ram big time

only 6000 sweet spot

[dull flint]

Interesting

So the claims about fclk and D5 having a 6000 sweet spot might be true

[compact zenith]

I should start working for BestBuy again, just so I can get two Gen 13s at $75 each.

That is if I can get by the Intel training course for the year. Took me like 4 tries because I'd fall asleep at the PC while test was running.

[compact zenith]

64gb ram (32x2) just how bad would (32x4) be. searching past info. Frustrating, knowing I had the answer last week, just not sure if it was here or another channel.

[dull flint]

i wouldn't be surprised if you don't even boot with 32x4

[compact zenith]

Don't you mean post?

[dull flint]

yup

[compact zenith]

I got this:

Check this out on @Newegg: CORSAIR Dominator Platinum RGB 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5200 (PC5 41600) Intel XMP 3.0 Desktop Memory Model CMT64GX5M2B5200C40 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820236840?Item=9SIB3Y1JJN8162&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIB3Y1JJN8162-_-09192022

To go with this:

Check this out on @Newegg: GIGABYTE Z690 AORUS MASTER LGA 1700 Intel Z690 EATX Motherboard with DDR5, 5x M.2, PCIe 5.0, USB 3.2 Gen2X2 Type-C, Intel WiFi 6E, AQUANTIA 10GbE LAN https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z690-aorus-master/p/N82E16813145343?Item=N82E16813145343&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-13-145-343-_-09192022

Check this out on @Newegg: Intel Core i9-12900KS - Core i9 12th Gen Alder Lake 16-Core (8P+8E) 3.4 GHz LGA 1700 150W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071512900KS https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-12900ks-core-i9-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118392?Item=N82E16819118392&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-19-118-392-_-09192022

[cursive epoch]

That ram is painfully bad

5200c40

[compact zenith]

Not as bad as this:

Check this out on @Newegg: Team T-Force Delta RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Intel XMP 3.0 Desktop Memory Model FF3D532G5600HC36BDC01 https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820331836?Item=N82E16820331836&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-836-_-09192022

[cursive epoch]

The team is better

Less capacity but like, still faster

Why are you going ddr5 specifically?

[compact zenith]

Out of 4 sets, one DOA and one died next day.

[cursive epoch]

Hm, that's odd

Well, still.. why going ddr5? Any reasons behind it?

[compact zenith]

I wanted the latest version of Aorus Master, Z690 for the I9 CPU, and it only rates it for DDR5 memory

[cursive epoch]

But then you're leaving performance at the table for much higher price tag

[compact zenith]

Im sure better ram will be out next year. The timings arent that great at the moment, from all manufacturers.

[cursive epoch]

Well, if you insist on spending more money later. Then it'll be fine as a placeholder

[compact zenith]

At least you convinced me to send that used pack back.

Newegg shipped me a used set, then shipped me out a new so I don't risk voiding my $100 Windows pro builders license. Wouldn't matter if I added used ram after initial boot up with the new motherboard, CPU, and Ram. But if whoever sent it back to Newegg, booted up their system with it, Microsoft would see it's used, and possibly fail the new key.

I was also told last week, that the timings when it comes to DDR5 are a lot faster as the numbers are supposed to be divided if comparing to ddr4?

[dull flint]

hey we discussed this in here before, can that person do 8000 desynced on that chip? they have h16a?

might be too late to ask but I just remembered lol

[misty lotus]

That person didn't have much ram oc knowledge, not sure if the ram kit currently available can do 8000 tho.
That's probably why that person uses 5200 instead of 6000 ram

[dull flint]

ah

[misty lotus]

I thought it was Hynix 16gbit m-die?

[dull flint]

ah actually that's true, jedec spd on that 5200 kit rules out hynix a

[dull flint]

new kit

[misty lotus]

Although it was the first revision should be an A

Probably Samsung or cheap micron

That person just testing ln2 oc capability tho

So ram isn't that important

But confirmed 6000 is the highest point for 1:1:1 ratio for now

[compact zenith]

Every part I'm using to build this new system, came with a nice face plate for front of system. Corsair and I overpriced ram, nothing.

[compact zenith]

Those silver stickers remind me of the old Motorola keyboard smart phones. Was the first cell I purchased my kids. Didn't even know they came with silver and black metallic M stickers, until my kids couldn't get their phones open, and had to use a heat gun, very carefully, so soften the glue so I could open their phones to pull the stickers off. Stronger than double stick tape. Anyways, off to bed. Can't sleep. Like Xmas, waiting for that last part.

[fleet hemlock]

Hey guys with intel B660 what is the pcie4.0 bandwidth like

If i threw two M.2 gen 4 drives into it aswell as a pcie4.0 gpu would the B660 chipset handle that

[vast meadow]

Ye

As long as the slots are marked as gen 4

[fleet hemlock]

aweeeesomeeee

[pale fox]

i know this aint the channel

but I need a good wifi card

for a b450-f II

[compact zenith]

My cat needs a wifi card? Explains where all the bandwidth is going lol. Getting a good wifi card, also needs a good router to support it. Otherwise you may be spending a lot for a good card, that's only using half it's capability

Btw, my cats name is Snowy lol.

I'll look up a few good pciexpress cards.

https://youtu.be/HHO-14b7Bpk

Check this out on @Newegg: Rosewill RNX-AC2030PCE, Dual Band Wireless AC2030 Wi-Fi Adapter, Up to 1730 Mbps (5.0 GHz) + 300 Mbps (2.4 GHz) Wireless Data Rates, PCI-Express Interface, 2 x External Antennas, Bluetooth 5.0 https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rnx-ac2030pce-pci-express/p/N82E16833166142?Item=9SIA072GJ92998&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIA072GJ92998-_-09202022

[compact zenith]

If you have an open PCI express slot, don't let the small size fool you. People think the card will only fit the small slot ones, but it fits all large ones too. Just don't plug it in next to an NVME. They conflict on older motherboards.

[pale fox]

I can get this on Amazon?

I live in the UK so I am not too sure I can get this

[compact zenith]

You can get it on Amazon as well. I was using this model on my kids Asus Z90 pro gamer systems for two years now, until I did their rebuilds last week that came with wifi and Bluetooth built in with better rates. If your using a router, let's say over two years old, then the WiFi card I posted is for you. If you just got a good router this year, there is better.

Ravell is the pro. I bow out to the PC god now.

[hard leaf]

oh god no, thats pato

[compact zenith]

(cries) Newegg lost my EVGA PSU 😦

[hard leaf]

sad to hear it pal

you have quite the ride with your builds

one mishap after another

[compact zenith]

My kids went off with no issues. It's mine that just has hurdles lol.

Fans came today. Was installing them. Hear a crunch, my son says we're home.....

What is it with GIM fans that attract feet.

[hard leaf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[compact zenith]

Leaving it on the floor because I was lazy and didn't want to unplug my daughter's system, was my fault. You know how heavy those all glass Thermaltake cases are?

Removing all 4 glass panels gets rid of 90% of the weight. It's getting them back on I dread.

I just refused similar model for customer today. UPS came and we could hear the box sounded like a good and plenty box. So not just me that gets bad luck

Poor Newegg service. He may never talk to me again lol. Bbl.

[finite elm]

These are the Mendocino CPU's for handhelds and budget laptops

"All SKUs feature an AMD Radeon 610M iGPU. It supports AV1 decode and supposedly plays e-sports titles such as DOTA 2, CS: GO and League of Legends at 720p 60 FPS."

[finite elm]

so imo, the 1215u is the better option still

[compact zenith]

Strangest thing. I'll have to look into it in the morning. About to go to bed, and as I passed my son's PC I built last week, noticed it glowing and at first thought he left it on. Taking a look, saw it was completely powered off, but the ram sticks fully illuminated and part of the RGB CPU fan blade, despite system being off. Turned power off for now.

Oh, fans were not spinning. Only ram and fan blade lit up.

[vast meadow]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/VT2bt6/asus-pce-ax3000-pcie-x1-80211abgnacax-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ax3000

[compact zenith]

Seems fastboot and sleep mode effect RGB, where new system shuts down, leaving ram on, and enough voltage on the CPU fan to light a few LEDs. Not sure why out of two builds, exactly same set up it happens with one, but not the other.

Not sure how much heat those lights generate, but would think both ram sticks lit up with zero fans running, can't be to healthy.

[compact zenith]

System has two thermal thermometers. Got a better idea for a test using them.

[vast meadow]

I disable both fast boot and fast startup on basically all my systems v annoying

[dusky ember]

What a good motherboard for under 200

I keep looking at reviews for b550s and they all say things stop ped working

[cursive epoch]

Is this a new build?

Also that's probably a few cases, nothing to worry about

[vast meadow]

For what cpu?

[dusky ember]

Like a ryen 5 or 7

[vast meadow]

1 you shouldn't be spending that much on a mobo for those, 2 poor choices in 2022, 3 if you are upgrading you should wait a few months for 13th gen intel, if you are buying new you should go 12th gen intel atm

What's do you have atm and what's your total budget?

[dusky ember]

I see

Not trying to go poor

I would say about 1500

@vast meadow

[vast meadow]

In the US?

[dusky ember]

Yeah

[dusky ember]

Yes

[vast meadow]

@dusky ember need wifi or any aesthetic preferences?

[dusky ember]

Probably wifi

And white

[vast meadow]

Okay

[burnt spear]

Gigabyte b660 aorus pro ax looks super nice for white builds imo

Believe it's $135 rn, unless sale ended

What I've got, there's probably better options for case https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pY2Fxs

[vivid valley]

just buy water cooler for cpu

[burnt spear]

The 12400f does not need an aio. At all

It just eats up budget

[vivid valley]

it does

believe me

[hollow thorn]

and why should we do that

[burnt spear]

Then link something proving that

Because the 12400f is perfectly fine with the stock cooler for gaming. Which is much worse than a decent 240mm aio

Not to mention the ak620 white is $65 and beats a lot of mid range 240mm aios

Hell, the 12900f is fine with an ak620. Let alone a 12400f lol

[vast meadow]

@dusky ember id do this, put 2 coolers in, both v good, cheaper one is aio but non white, also consider used gpus because they have had some nice prices recently/get the non f version of the cpu and wait for 40 series to drop in October 12 for 4090 and November for 4080 to get an even cheaper 30 series/rx 6000 gpu or possibly a rx 7000 gpu if they come out soon
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zzWGH2

[vast meadow]

Trust me bro

[hollow thorn]

lol

[dusky ember]

So wait why Intel and not amd

[hollow thorn]

b stock clc is kinda nicely priced

[hollow thorn]

The real question is why amd

Doesn't really matter, it's just what's good for the price

[burnt spear]

12600kf better price/perf than 5700x, and white b550s are expensive

[vast meadow]

Better perf/price currently

[dusky ember]

Though and had more cores

Thought

[hollow thorn]

Intel does now

[burnt spear]

No

That hasn't been true since the fx days

[hollow thorn]

12600kf has 6p+4e cores
5600 has 6 cores, total.

[burnt spear]

Which passed years ago

[hollow thorn]

for example

[vast meadow]

Was before 12900

[burnt spear]

Oh right lmao

More cores also doesn't really help much for gaming past a certain point

[dusky ember]

I see

[burnt spear]

6 strong cores is better than 10 weak ones

[vast meadow]

Tbf 12600k is more comparison with 5700x but still 6p+4e vs 8p

@dusky ember 1 e core is about the same perf as 1/3 p core btw

[dusky ember]

Ok

[vast meadow]

But they're used for background tasks etc cuz they're weaker

[hollow thorn]

ye, just example for the i5 vs ryzen 5 lineups

showing the AMD more cores thing isn't true

[dusky ember]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D39TNc

What about this

@vast meadow

[burnt spear]

That is miles worse

[vast meadow]

Worse in like every single way on things you changed

Apart from the 5000x, that's okay but you would want to put the 5000d airflow panel on it ideally

And the ssd but it's way too expensive for maybe a tiny bit slower (you won't notice the diff)

[dusky ember]

Gotcha

[fleet hemlock]

How closely do the 5700x and 12600k compare?

[hard leaf]

12600k wins

[hollow thorn]

Gaming wise, bit worse still, multi core, worse

[fleet hemlock]

I did find it for 220$ once

Which is why i was curious

Overall it’d be 50$ saved versus the 12600k

[hollow thorn]

12600kf is 260$

12600k gets you extra igpu

[fleet hemlock]

ya ya

[hollow thorn]

Meh, I like lga1700 better rn

[obtuse forge]

Or just wait till Ryzen 7000 come out and get a 5950x for cheap

[lusty idol]

Hey quick question. I have 2 8 gig sticks of ram in my pc right now and i ordered 2 16 gigs of ram to upgrade right? They’re all ddr4. Can I keep them all in there? I have 4 slots

[grizzled bloom]

I don't see that going below $400 any time soon, unless you count used

[hollow thorn]

There's also just 12900k doing the same thing if it happens to 5950x

[obtuse forge]

Or just wait FEW years

Personally I have a 5700g in my personal system I’m planning on getting a 5900x when 7000 series comes out

[grizzled bloom]

Ehhhhhh 5 year old Intel flagship still goes for $500+ https://a.co/d/0C5prOh

[cursive epoch]

7000 series coming out won't drop the price that much for 5900x

It for one, is a ryzen 9. And two, 7000 series uses ddr5

[sullen jacinth]

how does the asus x570 crosshair hero wifi not have type c on the mb...

[cursive epoch]

it does

it just doesn't say usb c

but it definitely has some

it's the usb 3.2 gen 2

[sullen jacinth]

i seen that when was looking at connectors lol

[sudden creek]

Any new leaks on the I9-13900K?

[compact zenith]

I haven't even gotten to work on my fan redirection project and first boot up C2 error.

Waiting for my air compressor, just in case it's dust from packaging.

[bright turret]

is one stick of 32gb good or need to fill 2 slots?

[dull flint]

2 slots is better

2x16gb is good

[bright turret]

alright thank you

[cursive epoch]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-readies-intel-z790-motherboards-with-ddr4-support

woa

ddr4 z790

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah, Intel can discourage that all they want but there's nothing really stopping them from doing that

[tranquil wolf]

DDR5 might end up being a better option in the long run but some people will stick w/ the DDR4 boards simply bc it saves money being able to use DDR4 3200 you already own vs dropping more money to get the newest ram

[grizzled bloom]

Yep. DDR5 is finally starting to match high end DDR4 for not much more money but it is still a cost that can be avoided.

[tranquil wolf]

is DDR5 still having the issues that were reported early on? not like i am going to be upgrading anytime soon, i went the DDR4 z690 route so lol

[grizzled bloom]

Issues like not booting at the lowest jedec speed and having to set 4400 or less with 4 sticks? Yeah that's a platform issue. Intel hasn't figured it out. Maybe next gen?

[tranquil wolf]

gotcha, yep those issues, that was one reason i said "ddr4 for me" when i had to upgrade my CPU/mobo

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah like why even have 4 slots at that point lol

[tranquil wolf]

my thought was "if i want 2 RAM slots i will go iTX" lol

[vast meadow]

It go brr

[vast meadow]

I mean there would be no point it would just hurt intel cuz ppl would buy the board with 600 series chipsets and flashback for ddr4 instead

[vast meadow]

4 sticks of ddr5 being a meme will probably not be fixed for a while, they need stronger memory controllers and better motherboard ram topology

[burnt spear]

Leaked geekbench scores have the 7600x beating the 13600k in single core and being damn close in multi core

[cursive epoch]

that's spicy

[burnt spear]

7700x is looking like my cpu

Tho again, early adopters pay for it later

[vast meadow]

Okay but 7600x is going to be like 800$ system cost

[burnt spear]

$300 cpu, $150-200 mobo, $150 for an ok ddr5 kit

[vast meadow]

Have you seen the proving of the mobos lol

Cheapest x670 is like 300$

[burnt spear]

B650s are gonna be a thing

I'm sure there will be budget options

[vast meadow]

Yes but I'm guessing they'll be 200-250

[burnt spear]

Otherwise amd will literally not have a selling point

They wouldn't release overpriced cpus with overpriced mobos that only support overpriced ram with intel on their ass

[vast meadow]

This was the budget x670, msi a pro or something

Or no p pro

Idk idk

[fleet hemlock]

hoping that the upcoming 13600k is reasonably priced 🙏

[hard leaf]

rumored to be pricier than their 12th gen counterparts

if the 12600k is at 280, probably the 13600k will be at 300-330... but thats just my guess

[burnt spear]

They'll likely be sold below msrp soon enough anyways like with most gens

5600 literally half the 5600x msrp now lol

[hard leaf]

unless he wants to pay the early adopter tax ofc

[burnt spear]

I'm either going 7600x, 7700x, 13600k or 13700f

I'm def paying the early adopters tax

I've waited long enough

[hard leaf]

me 2

[burnt spear]

I'd rather pay $50 extra than wait another 2-3+ months

[hard leaf]

but i will play on my 4770 for some more time, unless amd release a powerful 7900xt below 1500

if not i will buy the 4090 and heck to the new pc for some time

😛

[burnt spear]

Mhm

Would you settle for 7800xt if it's impressive?

[hard leaf]

could be, after the reviews ofc

for now the gap between the 4080 and the 4090 is way too big, so i will regret that later down the line

but if the 7800xt end near or below the 4080 16gis, then is a no as well

if its higher, then i will consider it

but for now either 4090 or 6900xt

[burnt spear]

I doubt it, unless amd pulls a 40 series

Otherwise I could see 7800xt matching whatever they release below 4090

[hard leaf]

i mean if the 7800xt is between the 4080 and 4090 then its a yes

lower... no

[burnt spear]

Mfw 7800xt matches a 6600xt

[hard leaf]

we will see, mcm means cheaper chips and the infinity cache can help a ton as well

😮

dont say that

[burnt spear]

Ye, it wouldn't surprise me to see 7800xt below 6900xt msrp

[hard leaf]

if the 7800xt is below 800usd then nvidia will be s***g their pants

[burnt spear]

They'd have to cut prices

Tho msrp for 6900xt was 1k

I'm expecting 7800xt at $800-900

[hard leaf]

Still a good price

hope that the 7800xt can beat the 4080 12g

and if it go near the 16gigs at that price... hmmm yummy

hey bacca, you are a bad influence

[vast meadow]

"settle"

[burnt spear]

Ty

[vast meadow]

You typed 4070 16gb wrong

[hard leaf]

True

[burnt spear]

Honestly, after the small issues with the 6800xt I'm not going to be going back to amd for a lil while. They weren't huge issues, just small annoyances

If it were between an amd gpu and overpaying for a nvidia gpu, I'd go amd ofc

[vast meadow]

Leaked prices for rx 7000 is that they will only be price bumped by up to 100$

[vast meadow]

Well I'd hope it beats essentially a 60 ti lol

[hard leaf]

Thinking in replacing the 60ti pato?

[vast meadow]

What was the issue? I just thought you didn't like the way they oc'd in drivers

[burnt spear]

Didn't like ocing, and had some odd issues with valorsnt

Itd randomly have some weird static, but it wasn't artifacting

Only in val too

And with the type of game val is, not something I wanted to deal with

[vast meadow]

Nope it's plenty most intensive game i play is cod cold war? On 1440p low

[burnt spear]

Especially considering the 3060 ti is already overkill for me

[vast meadow]

Fair, maybe would have been fixed with driver/val reinstall tho

[burnt spear]

So no point for me to keep it when it had issues with the main game I play

I tried both, didn't do anything unfortunately

Drivers themselves were perfectly fine too, amd drivers are good now

[vast meadow]

Weird

[burnt spear]

Ye, mightbe been something wrong with the card itself

But then again, no issues in anything else

Including timespy, even with just a vram oc and undervolt it beat the best 3080 10gb entry

[vast meadow]

Sweet

[sharp cairn]

I've got a decent mobo, Asus B550f Wifi.

But would i need a new one for a Ryzen 9 7950X since it's a 7000 series?

[vast meadow]

Yeah and new ram

So you'll have to see what's the best choice

Probs 13700(k) and same ddr4

[grizzled bloom]

Impressive, and this is only under AIO and beating LN2 12900KS

[mild jackal]

Not to mention those 2nd place chips are binned out of literally hundreds

And benched by top 10 hwbot guys

[finite elm]

Imagine ocing for games

Nerrrrdddd

Wait a minute what game do you even play where ocing is worth it on a 6800xt?

That's just a high score kinda desire at that point

[finite elm]

Upgrade

Do et

[burnt spear]

I wasnt ocing for games

[finite elm]

Just for high scores smh

[finite elm]

Amd said it themselves that cinebench wasn't where their gains are

Only 9% on cinebench R23.

[hard leaf]

imagine ocing for gaming lulz

[finite elm]

Exactly ye

I just don't understand returning a better GPU back because of overclocking lol.

[grizzled bloom]

Right, but that's stock behavior

The overclock was a steady 5.8ghz on water

A simple Corsair H115i (280mm) to be specific, so not even a huge one

[cursive epoch]

amd is hitting hard again

intel will probably lose out this time

[grizzled bloom]

As far as I can see based on leaks it'll be pretty even at the high end, with Intel winning multi threaded because of E cores

[cursive epoch]

ah

[grizzled bloom]

The big win for AMD is they've committed to at least 3 gens on AM5 while this is the end for Intel 1700

[cursive epoch]

but tbh im only interested in 13500 anyway

it's essentially 12600k but at a lower price point

of about 200 im guessing

and yeah, that's something to consider

intel only uses a socket for two gens

[hard leaf]

but at least is ddr4

[grizzled bloom]

True but that point will come down to final pricing for total platform cost

[finite elm]

Budget Intel is still alder lake instead of the new stuff ya?

13600(non K or KF) and below

[finite elm]

No e cores

Unless they changed that no?

[cursive epoch]

They changed that

13500 and above has 6p+8e

while 13400 has 6p+4e

[finite elm]

Oh wow

That's kinda nuts tbh

[cursive epoch]

ye

I'm guessing it gets close to 7600x on single core

While the amd loses on multi

[hard leaf]

yes, alder rebranded from 13600 and below

[finite elm]

I just want more consumer socs

[grizzled bloom]

I've heard the e cores referred to as "cinebench asics", it's like their sole purpose is to make benchmark number go up

[cursive epoch]

lmao

[amber canopy]

didnt bz call them that lol

[grizzled bloom]

I think it was him yeah

[amber canopy]

ive started calling them that too

that's exactly what they are

[tall locust]

When you see the B45 Phenoms still being sold at some store on Newegg for over $100 while their Athlon 445 counterpart are sold for $20....

[grizzled bloom]

Prices on tech are on a reverse bell curve, they start off at msrp, drop in price for a few years (often ~5), then they start to rise in price again as they get more rare

[tall locust]

Weird.

[frosty depot]

Why are you attacking me?

[vast meadow]

Nah 3060 ti already plenty and I'm in 4th year of college now so hell nah

[scenic solar]

What are some solutions to actually reduce ram usage?
I've checked some videos online but they seem to not do much, my pc idles at about 4/4.5GB

I'd be happy even if it drops to 3.5

Some people said to delete or limit/reduce paging files but do you guys recommend it?
Aren't they useful for Windows?

Also some tips to speed up my pc, boot takes a lot of time even if it's off a SATA SSD, same for reboot and turning off. Like removing or disabling background programs

Thanks in advance

[vast meadow]

Do this, minimise amount of background apps on statup
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Windows-Troubleshooting-Utilities/wiki/How-To-Automate-Ram-Cleaner-with-Microsoft-RamMap

[vast meadow]

Make sure your xmp is enabled, is all i can say without knowing more

[scenic solar]

Always has been, 3200mhz c16

I probably have so much bloatware

Disk C: has 115GB free space
Is that enough to not slow down too much, right?

[scenic solar]

I can't check right now but is the ram cleaner the same "ram cleaner by rawr?

Also do you know if it's possible to create some commands so the ram cleaner runs when the pc goes in stand-by?

[vast meadow]

Yeah same thing

[vast meadow]

It depends on the drive

[vast meadow]

You can just get it to run hourly

[scenic solar]

what do you mean? 500mb/s write read

[vast meadow]

Or possibly an option for idle

[vast meadow]

No it depends on your drive model

[scenic solar]

my pc wasn't slow like this a long time ago

[scenic solar]

nah, it usually lags my pc fo 10 seconds, i'd like it to not happen while im gaming

[vast meadow]

Weird shouldn't really happen

I think there is an option for it to run on idle tho

Check the triggers tab

[scenic solar]

huh? when i launch the program it cleans up my ram down to 2-2.5gb, but i've always done it at startup or manually

[vast meadow]

Read the github, you can run it automatically with task scheduler

[scenic solar]

k

i have no idea where to find task scheduler

it doesnt show up with the start menu research

[vast meadow]

It will be there

https://www.wikihow.com/Open-Task-Scheduler-in-Windows-10

If you can't find

[scenic solar]

can you also recommend any videos to actually remove startup programs rather than just "cleaning" them?

or tips

[vast meadow]

Task manager -> (advanced if not already) start up -> disable what you don't need on start up

Where most should be

[scenic solar]

already done that with all unnecessary programs

[vast meadow]

Can also do it in software or in task scheduler/some other places but apart from task manager I'd do in software it's easier for the ones not there

[vast meadow]

Show your arrow up from your task bar

[scenic solar]

they don't take up much cpu/ram, i also need them

iCue is basically the one that puts more load on cpu and ram, but its not much: not more than 150mb and 1% cpu

MB

[vast meadow]

Uninstall icue lel

Also you don't need riva tuner and whatever that fan one is

But yeah would use open rgb or signal rgb instead

[scenic solar]

i know what i need and what i don't, openrgb has problems with ram rgb (like some other programs), fan control i also need that and riva tuner + afterburner i use both of them daily

[scenic solar]

both give me problems with ram rgb and i noticed they used more cpu/ramthan icue

i use (used) open rgb to set my rgb backplate which runs off msi 3 pin rgb header

i'll show you the impact of riva tuner, fan control and icue at the moment

[vast meadow]

Ah i see

[scenic solar]

the total idle usage of all the apps is lower than 50MB, with low to no cpu usage. 50MB wont make a diff

[hard leaf]

quite te contrary, 50mb only adds up to the problem

the more you can free the better

[scenic solar]

but i dont care if the programs i need use only few MB

i sure can't remove these ones

if i need them i need them.

[hard leaf]

thats the point, you think that you need them, but you dont. you are only accustomed to those

[vast meadow]

I mean you can use bios for fan control but that's very little ram so fair

[scenic solar]

fan control: ramp up case fans for both gpu and cpu sensor

[vast meadow]

Ahh from gpu temps fair

Sort by high to low for memory

[scenic solar]

yeah or else i get 70C with front fans low to 6% speed

[vast meadow]

Also the less extensions in your browser the better

[vast meadow]

Or you could just make case fans more aggressive lol

[scenic solar]

i use about 6 chrome extensions but some of them get activated when i click them

[scenic solar]

1500 rpm all the time

speeeed

[vast meadow]

A lot "get activated when you click them" but that's just their actions they still take up resources unless disabled/uninstalled

[scenic solar]

but if chrome is closed it doesn't do anything ig

[vast meadow]

Yes

Just adds to ram being used overall

[scenic solar]

chrome is basically closed for 90% of the time

[vast meadow]

Sort ram high to low in task manager and send screenshot

[hard leaf]

[scenic solar]

oke

hope you still understand the various tasks even if it's in italian

[vast meadow]

SEE CHROME

Zmh

Smh

[scenic solar]

idk if you also need this one

[scenic solar]

i was doing monitor color tests and i have a few tabs open

chrome be always eating up ram on all PCs

[vast meadow]

Actually chrome/edge best browsers for ram usage

[scenic solar]

I just want to kill most background tasks

[vast meadow]

Uninstall the stupid telephone pair app imo

[scenic solar]

huh? which one

[vast meadow]

Nvidia share? Do you have shadowplay on or something

[vast meadow]

Under Nvidia container

[scenic solar]

i do use geforce experience and i've only set up instant replay

[vast meadow]

Ah right

But yeah

Go into your settings then go to apps and uninstall have the windows garbage

Ohh actually

just paste iwr -useb https://git.io/debloat|iex into PowerShell

And run that

[scenic solar]

isn't phone pair app used by whatsapp web?

[vast meadow]

Nope that's a Windows only one

[scenic solar]

oke

[vast meadow]

And if you want, customise the list

But i just use default list

And disable telemetry helps too

[scenic solar]

is there something it may delete that i don't want to?

[vast meadow]

Xbox stuff?

Is the only one i can think of

Unless you like reading from the news app or something lol

[scenic solar]

i don't have xbox related things so ok...

do i jut do "remove all bloatware<"?

[vast meadow]

Yeah

Then after that's fine I'd disable telemetry and cortana

[scenic solar]

already removed cortana (actually never configured it)

[vast meadow]

Can you send screenshot of the program can't remember what else is in it

Think there's a regkey one too

[scenic solar]

which program?

[compact zenith]

Finished my I9, it won't install windows which has me completely stumped. Built 3 exact duplicate systems, first two worked without a hitch, yet mine stops installing windows, yet a image from my old system boots up with no issues.

[scenic solar]

@vast meadow should i restart the PC after debloating?

[vast meadow]

Ye

[vast meadow]

The powershell one

[scenic solar]

okkk

[vast meadow]

You can do after reg key one as well tho

[vast meadow]

As in a different ssd?

[scenic solar]

Debloating + other manual pc cleaning helped a but, now it starts up with 3.6-.7 which is still lower than previous 4.1

But I need more

[compact zenith]

I can boot off an image of my Z390, which is on an NVME, but try to install to drive 0, it stops and says: Windows could not prepare the computer to boot into the next phase of installation.

[vast meadow]

Hmm, try install with only 1 ssd plugged in (generally good practice anyway)

[compact zenith]

Going to see if I can disable slot first. I really don't want to have to take cards out to get to those NVME.

Worse comes to worse I'll take the other NVME out. Need sleep first.

[scenic solar]

@vast meadow while automating the ram cleaner in tsk scheduler, i have many config. options such as win 2008, xp, vista,... do i chose win10, right?

i guess the answer is just win10

[vast meadow]

Ye although doesn't really matter

[vast meadow]

Sleep helps a lot

[finite elm]

Sadge

[scenic solar]

@vast meadow i guess i'll schedule ram cleaner for when i open certain apps or games. but there are many other options, and i have a doubt, at startup & at log-in: startup (as soon as windows starts the task does too?) while at log-in (whenever the user enters his profile/account?)

correct me if i'm wrong

[vast meadow]

Nah I'm happy can't wait to get out and anything more powerful is a waste of money

[vast meadow]

I think yeah

[scenic solar]

okay thanks

wow, task scheduler is so fricking useful

i wish i knew it existed before now

[vast meadow]

Yeah it's great

[scenic solar]

should paging files be deleted? they say it frees up ram but i guess its useful to have paging files

btw if you have more ideas on how to debloat or how to clean up as much ram as possible tell me. Thanks for the help

[vast meadow]

Paging file is dynamic

Think of it like
L1 cache
L2 cache
L3 cachee
Ram (l4 kinda)
Page file (l5 kinda)

Going from fastest and smallest size to slowest and largest size

[finite elm]

3090 720p performance is great

[vast meadow]

Indeed

[finite elm]

Especially with an FX 6300

[vast meadow]

Hmmmmm

[finite elm]

Best cpu out there for it

[scenic solar]

@vast meadow i have set up ram cleaner for when pc is inactive & at startup, after I've done this it asks me for a password... Huh? It asks me to enter the user account information to run the task

[vernal cosmos]

You use my batch file?

[scenic solar]

yep

[vernal cosmos]

itll ask u for ur password once

to set up the task

and run it after that without

[scenic solar]

ive been using the ram cleaner for a long time but i never knew how to schedule it

[scenic solar]

so i basically insert a psw, run something that triggers the ram cleaner, it'll ask me for psw once and never again?

btw im talking about task scheduler, not admin permission / psw

[vernal cosmos]

I am aware

when you choose the option to set up the ram cleaner, itll ask you to put in admin password once

after that itll never ask again

I did update that option a lot and have a whole newly done batch file tho I do recommend you use that one instead

@scenic solar

[scenic solar]

admin psw? i mean his one

[vernal cosmos]

Well that only comes up if you edit the task in task sceduler

[scenic solar]

ooooh

okei

i should write it down

does it apply only for that task?

or all the others

[vernal cosmos]

what

if ur editing one task in task sceduler does it apply to all the others?

obv not

[scenic solar]

you can set up different task in task scheduler, ok, so i have to use this psw for the ram cleaner task

[vernal cosmos]

Its ur admin password

so unless ur creating a new admin account for every task, no

[scenic solar]

i dont have a admin psw on my pc

[vernal cosmos]

Thats not a thing you can do in windows

at least not easily

it forces the first account you create to be an admin account

[scenic solar]

im not really understanding then

[vernal cosmos]

i cant be bothered to explain this to you

i cant put it in simpler terms

[scenic solar]

what password do i have to set/use? my pc-admin psw?

i only have one account on my pc and i'm admin

[vast meadow]

Did you mark it as run with admin privileges?

[scenic solar]

w highest privileges

if i check that it should not ask me "you sure you want to run this application?" right?

[vast meadow]

Can you send a screenshot?

Yeah it shouldn't

[scenic solar]

Of what?
The psw is asking me to insert?

[scenic solar]

.

[vast meadow]

Noo

Of the task scheduler settings

[scenic solar]

Huh
I'm stuck with that message where it asks me for psw to set up the auto-ram cleaner

If I exit I have to redo the settings

i don't know what to do, i have to leave home in 10mins, we'll eventually get back to this discussion in 24hrs

[obtuse forge]

guys is 4 core 8 thread better or 6 core 6 thread better?

[hard leaf]

there is more than cores and threads

which cpus are you comparing?

[obtuse forge]

i7 4790k vs i5 8ths

and 9th gens

[hard leaf]

the 4790 is very outdated compared to the others

[obtuse forge]

or 7th gen

[upper aspen]

architecture > number specs

[cursive epoch]

it all depends on architecture

core count means nothing

you can't cross compare like that really

[obtuse forge]

like is solid 6 core better than 4 cores with hyper threading thats what i wanted to know

[cursive epoch]

9th gen i5 would beat that old i7

but if you put that same i5 against an i3 12100

the i3 would still win with 4c/8t

[hard leaf]

hyper threading on those?

oh

but yes, what foxy said

the architecture matters a lot

the 4th gen is way outdated

[cursive epoch]

a more extreme comparison is 16 core opteron

that would lose to 12100 any day

[obtuse forge]

muti core

[cursive epoch]

well the i3 would still beat it

due to how slow the cores are on the opteron

[obtuse forge]

yeah i mean i was planning to built a 64 core opteron server

[hard leaf]

not with the 12100f around you dont

[amber canopy]

the e5 1680v2 is the best 8-core change my mind fight me abut it

@cursive epoch

[compact zenith]

I took half of your advice. I noticed in bios, the Sabrent Rocket was showing up as two NVME drives, and only one of the two Kingston Fury drives were showing up. I think the motherboard has some kind of issue. Remember, I built a total of 3 AORUS Master Z690 systems. Same exact hardware. Only difference was my kids got I7, and I got I9. Bootup behavior is also different. For example, if I leave the portable drive connected on my kids systems, it boots into the install and grabs the drivers off the portable. With my system, it boots back into Windows 11 install setup, so I have to disconnect the drive and reconnect it after system boots up. Something I don't have to do with the other Z690s.

I'm going to look at my kids bios and see if by any chance, settings are different. The Sabrent rocket loads fine on their system.

Oh, before I forget, until I removed the Sabrent rocket, when I booted into Windows 11 off my emergency boot up drive that has an image from my z390, the computer would disconnect the USB drive until I unplugged and reconnected it. This stopped after removing the internal Sabrent rocket.

[compact zenith]

I don't want to send this MB back, so checking a few more things. I can't see that an I9 compared to my kids I7s is related to the Sabrent Rocket showing up as two devices. Runs fine on my kids systems.

Ohh, there is one thing I didn't think of. My MSI RTX 2060 RGB 8GB, where as my kids is 12GB with no RGB.

I made a fortune mining today!!! Then lost it all to a creeper. Ok, bad joke of the day.

[hard leaf]

@dull flint white build

need it!

[frosty depot]

I want a waifu mobo!

[dull flint]

Literally looks the same with a decal change

Lol, ok slightly different

OOO LOOK

NO SECOND PCIE X16

Tmw z690 masterrace

[scenic solar]

@amber canopy hi
Sorry for bothering you but since you're x79/99 master i wanted to know if I need particular x79 motherboards for a 2011 socket E7-8880v3 (18core 36thr) I just found one for 20€ and I was thinking of buying it (it's basically the same as a R5 3600xt)

Do you recommend a lga2011 ddr3 or 4?

[frosty depot]

Oh no. You're gonna boost his x79/99 ego by calling him the master.

[scenic solar]

I mean... He's probably one of the few that understands the most about these platforms

[amber canopy]

Post the board you found

[scenic solar]

I still haven't chosen one, I was just looking around, do you recommend any?

I saw a few for about 60-70€

[amber canopy]

As far as I know, the only way to get those E7's to actually work is with those LGA2011-1 oem boards in some servers. They're relatively uncommon and super overpriced. They don't work in normal LGA2011 boards

What do you wanna build a lga2011 system @scenic solar for 🤨

[scenic solar]

So no x79 2011 LGA motherboard?

[scenic solar]

It was just an idea but it could be useful for a setup to host a small Minecraft server
But it's pretty much power inefficient so I may not even buy it

[amber canopy]

Yea you'd wanna go for a LGA2011 board. The 2011-1 boards are basically unobtanium

If you wanna build a cheap system for server hosting I'd go with x99 to be honest

[frosty depot]

give him one of yours 😛

[amber canopy]

The chips are a better value than their older counterparts at this point. And finding a good deal on a board isn't hard

[amber canopy]

bet

[scenic solar]

@amber canopy I checked on a website that shows CPU specs (more accurate than intel' ones) and socket is 2011-1 (R1)

[amber canopy]

Yea that's what I said

2011-1 is for those E7 xeons

[scenic solar]

Is 2011v1 socket same as 2011-1

[amber canopy]

2011 is the normal hedt/server socket for sandybridge and ivybridge i7s and xeons

[amber canopy]

Sure if you wanna call it that

2011-3 is the successor to lga2011

[scenic solar]

I have found a 2011 v3 motherboard (2 CPU) but I'm not sure if v3 stands for socket 2011-3 (if there's one) or for v3 CPUs compatibility

[amber canopy]

Yes the vendor probably means 2011-3

What board are you looking at

What country are you in

[scenic solar]

A x99 from AliExpress

[scenic solar]

Ita

ly

[amber canopy]

Oh okay

Yea I'm not sure what the 2nd hand market is like there for x99 boards. So maybe the Chinese boards would be a better option, idk

[scenic solar]

Let's say most tech products are like +30% the cost of US ones

So yes, Chinese motherboard would be better

[amber canopy]

So if the system would mainly be for server use, I'd get an x99 tf if it doesn't seem absurdly overpriced. Check aliexpress prices for the 2696v3, and 2678v3

[scenic solar]

: (

[amber canopy]

What about it

[scenic solar]

What's 2011-3 for? E5?

[mild jackal]

Buy a used 5900x or something + cheapo am4

[scenic solar]

[amber canopy]

E5 and some i7s yea

[scenic solar]

Okk

[amber canopy]

How are current gen or couple gen old parts priced in Italy right now? 2nd hand or new

I'd only try going with x99 if you needed something absurdly cheap. And that's assuming the pricing where you are is even good

[mild jackal]

Far spreading the potato gospel

[amber canopy]

sus

[mild jackal]

I wouldn't trust that haha

https://www.reddit.com/r/homelabsales/ has a large EU scene

[amber canopy]

True

[amber canopy]

Only the best hardware

[scenic solar]

Everything has not really good prices (for example they still selling used 3060 for 350 minimum)

Let me check for some x99

Are all x99 boards 2011-1?

Or are there different sockets

[mild jackal]

No x99 boards are 2011-1

Again, 2011-1 is for the e7 stuff

Actually maybe somewhere out there are some 2011-1 x79 - as that's just the chipset

But that's not what you're looking for

[amber canopy]

All x99 boards are gonna have the 2011-3 socket, but not all 2011-3 boards (like the Chinese ones on aliexpress) are gonna have the x99 chipset. Though it doesn't really matter

[mild jackal]

It's confusing - but 2011 and 2011-1 are different, 2011 is the one you want

[scenic solar]

Oh god I can't find 2011-1 motherboards, I guess I'll just go for different Xeon & 2011-3

[mild jackal]

You almost certainly do not want to buy anything with a 2011-1 motherboard

The cost effective play here is probably used am4 +5000 series ryzen or some cheap b series intel board +12400f or similar

[scenic solar]

2011-2? I guess that's not a thing...

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-sanders-shaking-head-no-gif-26254356

[scenic solar]

You mean -1

[mild jackal]

yes

[scenic solar]

Maybe I should wait for this server/system with Xeon CPU... I should first check the "consumption" of the Minecraft server I want to host and see if it's worth going for that many cores

[mild jackal]

You'll have better performance on any 5000 series vermeer ryzen

[amber canopy]

Yea but then you can't brag about running the best platform

🤓

[mild jackal]

Gonna need wrx80 for that

[amber canopy]

Pfft

[mild jackal]

Nvm, this is a bit better https://www.itcreations.com/lenovo/lenovo-thinksystem-sr950-server

[scenic solar]

So basically lga 2011-1 is probably big ass motherboards with multiple CPU config? Something I may not even find on the market?

Probably the ones included with big servers

But what's the actual difference in the sockets, R1 & R2? Pinout? Because I guess they should both be 2011 pins

@amber canopy do you have a small list of xeons with many cores and good frequency? I did a Xeon list a long time ago but I didn't even know they used different sockets than standard ones

[amber canopy]

The 2011-3 xeons I'd check are the 2667v3, 2697v3, 2696v3, 2678v3. The last two support ddr3 which is why I recommended them with the x99 tf, since that board does too and ddr3 rdimms should be pretty cheap on aliexpress

[scenic solar]

Ok, but are 2011-1 sockets for big motherboards in servers like dəll's and IBM stuff you may find?

[mild jackal]

Yes - and to clarify 2011 and 2011-1 are different

[scenic solar]

Yes

Standard 2011 is 2011-0

While the other ones are for those "more powerful" processors like i7 & xeons

Ok got it

[mild jackal]

Yos bought one of those to bench then try and use as a general use server https://hwbot.org/submission/4923571_yosarianilives_cinebench___r20_4x_xeon_e7_8895_v2_14543_cb

[burnt spear]

im lurking and following this conversation and i am so lost lmao

[amber canopy]

Does yos still have that system

[mild jackal]

Yes

[amber canopy]

He wouldn't sell it right

Oh

[mild jackal]

He might

[amber canopy]

Dang then he should sell it to me

[mild jackal]

It's $1500 of space heater

[amber canopy]

yes

[mild jackal]

@gritty crow Post pics

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154477919929

[amber canopy]

I should daily that lol

Totally not a horrible idea

[scenic solar]

Can it run Microsoft paint?

[mild jackal]

[amber canopy]

@scenic solar did you know my x99 daily beats forks's daily

[scenic solar]

I want x69 role

@mild jackal

[mild jackal]

Maybe in power draw if I run stock

[amber canopy]

Jealous of my baller rig

[sullen jacinth]

i have a 360 lian li galahad on a 5800x (overkill) but im running 84 c is that to high of a temp?

[cursive epoch]

nope

it's totally fine

5800x runs toasty even with good 360mm aio

[grizzled bloom]

84C doing what?

[sullen jacinth]

ok did cinebench

[cursive epoch]

seems fine

[sullen jacinth]

got a score of 15326

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's fine, it's one of the hottest chips on the market currently

[sullen jacinth]

ok just was making sure when installed the aio i had to clean the paste off and just was checking temps to see if was going to be ok

[amber canopy]

[weary cedar]

Hey guys I’m currently upgrading my 4pc. I have 4 slots for ram sticks. I have new 16x2 sticks should I remove my old 4x2 sticks or just add the new ones

I wish I could take a picture but I’m not a high enough level I guess

[vast meadow]

Yes

[weary cedar]

So now my pc won’t start not really sure what to do

I have only the 16x2 inserted and my display, mouse, and keyboard wont start either

[grizzled bloom]

Reset CMOS

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[sudden creek]

Which CPU do you guys think will be better? 13900K vs 7950X.

[burnt spear]

We have as much of an idea as you do

[grizzled bloom]

Better at what exactly? From what I'm seeing they'll trade blows with Intel winning multi core by just having more cores

[sudden creek]

Gaming and Rendering.

[grizzled bloom]

It'll be a toss up I think when looking at both

Just gotta wait and see

A few world records have been posted on hwbot with a 7950X already though

[compact zenith]

I remember I'd never buy a motherboard unless it had 6 slots. Now a days, trying to get a good one your lucky to find 4, which isn't a big issue since the sound system is built into the motherboards now, and Wi-Fi, so not to bad.

By the way, the Aorus Master z690, after updating the bios, broke the ability to shut off an NVME slot. After reboot, they all go back on again.

[vast meadow]

6 pcie slots? In what world would you need 6 slots

[hard leaf]

Back in the day when people used sound cards

Or isa systrms

[vast meadow]

Yes but sound card -1
WiFi card -1
Gpu -2

[hard leaf]

Idk

Like 25 years ago maybe

A lot of isa slots

😶

Yea these days a consumer pc barely use anymore than the gpu card

[compact zenith]

Not PCI. I used to need a slot for sound blaster pro, one for Roland MT32 interface, hauppauge TV , Wi-Fi, ide pin drive.

[vast meadow]

I mean there's boards like this but that's pci

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102940078505984/914915117907464303/IMG_20210904_154901.jpg

Idk what roland m32 and haupage tv is

[hard leaf]

Where are the risers?

@vast meadow that was beyond hor time

Your

[compact zenith]

Roland Mt 32 mixed with sound blaster pro to this very day adds realistic sound to games that support it. It was a huge thing with Sierra Games and OSI Ultima series.

[vast meadow]

Idk literally a motherboard my grandad had lying around it's from like late 90s or early 2000's

[hard leaf]

My old brother had a sound blaster back in the day

Like 20 years ago

Ancient technology

[distant grotto]

opinions on more expensive motherboards? like rog’s z690-e

[cursive epoch]

they're needless for almost all of use cases

unless you need the extra io

there's no need for going that expensive

[compact zenith]

Not sure if your buying for gaming/Designing. If you like running your own servers and just playing, then I suggest Gigabyte AORUS Z690 with an I7 of 3.0 ghz+ and 32gb ram. If your into heavy graphic design, with multiplayer in mind, then go with 64gb ram (do not use all 4 ram slots, go with 32x2 ddr5 or 16x2 ddr5, but under any circumstances from what many say, use all 4 ram slots) oh, and I9 Processor if what you are doing can use the extra cores.

.
Decided to transfer my spindle drives to new system, to discover not only was the case used, the person who returned it, stole the 3.5 bay from it and trying to find the proper name so I can buy a replacement keeps showing me NAS systems.

[cursive epoch]

I don't recommend ddr5 as of this time

The cost is too high

[burnt spear]

depends on country and budget for the most part

[cursive epoch]

ye

But I don't think anyone needs 64 gigs unless they're doing something crazy

Even game dev only really needs 32

[compact zenith]

I went with 64 because 32 came too damned close last year with one project and all the utilities I had to use.

The Thermaltake case, knew it was a return after finding the standoffs all stripped. Was simple to replace them. Wasn't till I went to put the drives from old system into new case, that I realized it can only hold 3, then looking it up, realized someone stole 1 of the 2 hard drive bays. I'd have taken the old rack from the older Thermaltake, but the rails don't match up with the glass case, and looking up drive bays seems to only give me NAS systems.

Hard drive cage. Found it!

[vast meadow]

Waste of money

[vast meadow]

If you're going for like a 2.1k or something it makes sense

[grizzled bloom]

Ryzen 7000 reviews are up

[finite elm]

The igpu performance makes me excited for the rdna 3 apus.

But they for sure make the Mendocino CPU's in budget handhelds meh.

[grizzled bloom]

The iGPU is still only RDNA 2 but it is still better than the top Intel one

[finite elm]

No it's not

The 2 CU's is okay at 65 watts.

But the handhelds will be limited to 15watts

[grizzled bloom]

It's not what? Better than Intel?

[finite elm]

At 15 watts it's not.

[grizzled bloom]

Well yeah these are just the basic models to be used in the same way as the non-F Intel ones, the actual APUs with more cores are coming soon

[finite elm]

That's what I'm saying...

The 610m in the Mendocino and 7000(non g) is like Vega 3.

Oh even worse. The 7600x is 105w tdp. So the performance in toasty bros video is even more disappointing.

Not the cpu^ the igpu is the disappointment lol

[vast meadow]

yummy clocks and cache

[hard leaf]

funny thing how the boost clock this gen works

regardless of the cooler it will hit 95c first... then it will normalize the frequency

damn