#cpus-mobo-and-memory

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tacit marsh
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I thought the cd keys were registered to the Mobo. That's all.

dull flint
cerulean wadi
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Some might, but generally no afaik.

upper aspen
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think of CPUs as a delivery system, the GHz is how fast stuff can move and cores are like how many trucks, but a more efficient delivery route (ie, new architecture) is what really matters.

tacit marsh
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Alright. Again. I really appreciate all the help and info I have received.

upper aspen
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imagine they only have to go 1/4 the distance and have a turbo speed boost and rocket engine pickup half way through

midnight pollen
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ye I didn't think so, ill probably end up getting some quadro or tesla eventually

upper aspen
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rtx 4090ti uwu edition

cerulean wadi
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For instance 12100 beats 7700 quite a bit. 12th gen feels sort of like if a 10400 was 1ghz faster, give or take. Pepe_KEK

dull flint
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And then 7700K decimates anything FX

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Lol

compact zenith
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So now instead of having 4x16, I have 2x32 with an urge to make it 4x32, which I won't, but the RGB is one of the reasons I originally went to 4x16. I'm having a hard time grasping why 4 slows down a machine. Back in the early 90s, when BBS was a huge thing and Internet was just starting to take over (My god, the prices for internet were high and required a credit card and special $800 line back then) I was one of the main distributers for C-Net Amiga, one of the top of the line multi chat BBS with special ANSI effects. Running a BBS share system required a lot of hard drive space. To think a 500mb hd is what a 5TB drive is today. Problem with the Amiga, was the larger the HD, more ram you needed. This was because unlike the systems of today where the registry is stored on the drive, the Amiga saved it completely to ram. Since the Amiga 2000 could only go to maximum of 2mb ram, yes ram was 2mb back then, you'd need a ram extender to add up to an additional 18mb of ram if you wanted a 1gb hard drive. The Commodore C64 and 128d had their own hard drive that was 20mb of space, using an interface from skyles electric works. Who hard drive package was $1199, and I tease my brother to this very day when he says 20mb will last me for life, I'll never run out of space.

main pulsar
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you still got the amiga?

compact zenith
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Ram and supra modem extenders were expensive as heck. Only Amigos sold them.

main pulsar
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and can i buy it off you

compact zenith
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Sadly, I don't.

main pulsar
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rip

compact zenith
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Megaball was my favorite.

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My Amiga was stolen in 1998, and the theif who stole it left it connected to his phone line, so the BBS kept calling out to network with other customers and that's how the police recovered it, but by then, the theif after not understanding the system, smashed it up. That was my favorite system, until I built my MSDos system with Soud blaster AWE64 pro, and Roland MT32. I loved the Sierra games and old Ultima series. To have spent years listening to sid music and then getting a music and sound system of the Roland and sound blaster, it just blew one away.

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Now that I sent back the ram and NVME drives, I got to buy new Fury NVME drives, or risk my new builders license failing.

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The 2TB fury seems the fastest NVME right now. 7300mbps read and 7100mbps write.

vast meadow
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Advertised speeds don't mean a whole lot tbh

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Also the fastest nvme atm is the sk hynix p41 platinum

dull flint
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Good morning Patrick

vast meadow
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Actually night i am in canadialand for the week but thanks

burnt spear
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we all know canadialand doesn't really exist pato

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good try

vast meadow
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Dam you got me

compact zenith
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I own 2tb fury's and 1tb rockets. Fury's are the fastest in my old system, but I got the Z690 Aorus Master I9 to get around the bottlenecking that's screwed up my gaming servers SQL data way to many times in the older Z390 motherboard. One issue I was having, the Pciexpress slot for my RTXs kept competing for the same bus that my NVME was on. Move the NVME to another slot, the Wi-Fi would go out, with no option in the bios to use a different address. Sort of like the old annoying IRQ conflicts.

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What I like about the Fury, in my older system, is turning my server on, and being into Windows login almost instantly.

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Timing it so you can press F12 or DEL, that was a pain if your not fast enough.

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Going to check out the specs on that NVMe.

dull flint
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P41 under review has been proven the fastest real world nvme for gen 4

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Sequential read+write isn't the only metric for what makes an nvme quick, P41 earns this title for it's random speeds

compact zenith
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Maybe so, but severely overpriced here 😦 SRP is $249, but Newegg has them at $359. I ended up buying the 2TB fury from Newegg instead. When I sent the bad ram back today, I had to send back the two NVME with it.

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And can't risk using a used NVME, as the boot drive can seriously cause a new systems builder copy of Windows 11 to fail.

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Already had that happen this past weekend on second build. I stupidly forgot to remove the portable hard drive after installing windows 11 on my daughter's new system, and Microsoft saw it as part of my original system and blocked the new key. Spent an hour on the phone with Microsoft yesterday to get an override to force it

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All new equipment, never used, Gen 12 LGA1700 I7, New Aorus Master Z690 Mb, 32 gb ram, and RTX 2060 12gb ram video card, and the free 2Tb NVME, and it only took my portable NVME to fail the new pro builders copy registration. I had to email a copy of Neweggs invoice to prove all equipment was actually new.

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Once we passed that hurdle, I connected all the old spindle drives. My daughter's going to college so didn't want to risk my technet licenses getting blocked with a system out of network.

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Most every key and upgrade came from the technet program they discontinued a few years ago. So buying four new builders pro licenses sounded like a good plan .

compact zenith
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Find it ironic how just one portable hard drive threw a wrench into the works, yet my son, being sneaky, to defeat the parental settings, used a 256gb thumb drive to install windows to, with an online key he purchased for only $3.00.

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All old equipment except the thumb drive and Microsoft okd it. Yet I build an entire new system, and get blocked due to my portable drive.

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Question, can one make a partition bootable, so you can boot up an emergency windows install to restore a corrupted drive. Figured if I have a 1tb drive with a 32gb install boot for drive C, and a second partition D, for driver's, what's to prevent me from making a partition E with an emergency windows boot up to load let's say Macrium Reflect?

still summit
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anyone got experience with a x570 aorus elite?

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mainly looking for how it compares to other x570 boards like the hero 8, and unify

still summit
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curious because what i'm seeing is a 6+1 with IR3599 doublers, The hero 8 is 7+1 using 2 mosfets per phase, unify looks like 6+2 with IR35201 doublers

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mainly interested in how the lack of phase effects it

mild jackal
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I don't think VRM will ever be an issue on the elite vs pro/ultra/master/other, but the elite/pro are 4 layer vs 6 layer on the ultra/master fwiw

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Actually, nvm, that was z390. But vrm still shouldn't really matter as they're all far more than sufficient for ambient OC.

long geyser
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Plus you seem to be only looking at part of the picture. Other things like high/low side stuff needs to be considered

dull flint
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Also need to ask, are you buying x570? Or have bought? Cos B550 is sufficient and generally better for the normal people

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Unless you need the extra function

long geyser
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Either way, as Forks said doesn't really matter. Idk how much/if it even matters for LN2

still summit
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I'm not really wondering on VCore ; they'll all supply enough there, its the soc and memory that i'm asking for

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guess I should have made that a bit more clear

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I'd assume it would make a noticable difference but not large at all if you're just concerned with standard rendering/gaming

still summit
compact zenith
# still summit What you're talking about is a recovery partition; yes these are pretty standard...

How much space is actually needed? It used to be only first partition could be set up with dual boots upon creation, then as MSDos faded and Windows took over some options became available but risky, and haven't tried in years, but after my two new builds I just completed where the Aorus Master motherboard and Windows install DVD had no net drivers, it was a pain using task manager to get the drivers installed to get things going and figured plenty more space on the portable NVME, which holds the 32gb windows 11 install, maybe make a Windows partition on it where you can tell the motherboard to skip drive C, and do repairs this way.

still summit
compact zenith
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The new z690 also doesn't pick up new added drives after boot up. Wording in bios changed, but I imagine that long list in bios sata 0-6 the hot swap option disabled in each one most likely be what needs to be enabled to detect drives once systems booted?

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When I say doesn't pick up after bootup, if I plug in a SATA drive into a removable rack I installed to make it easy to pull backups from any older sata hard drive, it used to be I'd go into manage and scan, and drives would read in. Not nothing. Had this with an earlier version of Aorus Master where in bios it had added drive detection that needed enabling, but that's not in this newer bios and the hot swap, actually not even called hot swap, but each SATA # listed is disabled.

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One of my key annoyances is that info missing from the Manuel, though the pdf is slightly different, might as well try reading that. Trying to read a 50 page PDF on a phone, plain hair pulling annoying. Try to scroll just a few lines and suddenly 20 pages fly by.

still summit
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sata isn't 100% to pick them up unless you reboot it depends on the board

long geyser
compact zenith
# still summit sata isn't 100% to pick them up unless you reboot it depends on the board

All motherboards after I believe 2010 or 2012, can read in a SATA drive while the computer is already booted up, without having to reboot an entire system. This is standard to work with UPS and emergency backup systems. The problem with newer boards, some come with the ability shut off in bios, and you just need to find the setting. Hot swap, IDE detection, are a few of the names to look for in bios. Could you even imagine the legal ramifications that could happen, if someone worked for hours coding, needed another drive due to lack of space, but the USB didn't scan in unless it booted with the PC? Some drives instant scan, some need a push from disk management scan, but all in all, all motherboards that come out, like the Aora Master Z690, definitely have this feature. It's just a matter of finding what they named it in bios.

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The second annoying thing about disk management, is the systems ability to show drive numbers, not letters, but drive device numbers in particular order in windows, but in repair or OS install, totally different. I unplug all drives if I have multiple of same model, just to make sure I don't accidentally wipe wrong drive

still summit
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True, but... it just doesn't always work for unknown reasons

compact zenith
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Heh, it's not working for me until I find the setting name. This MB is so packed with new options unfamiliar to me, it's a needle in a haystack.

still summit
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should be "hot plug" on gigabyte boards

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i know on x570 its i/o ports -> sata-> sata hotplug

compact zenith
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I believe it may be that huge sata list, hot plug, thanks, that's the name. It failed with sata 0, but I have a feeling that's because it's a conflict with the NVME. I believe that's why each SATA # has its own setting now.

still summit
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gotta love the useful manual for that board

unknown.png
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they could really do better

compact zenith
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I have a bad habit of learning only what I need, and get to comfortable, so miss out on new options, so when they get forced on me, I'm like whaaaaat?????

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Manual for Z690 missing the bios info for sata, but the PDF has it.

compact zenith
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Does Newegg have a link, that goes to all reviews one does, so they can edit them, without having to resubmit an entirety new review?

compact zenith
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Just discovered if you want to edit an existing review without having to rewrite the entire review, don't use the phone application, use a web browser. Web browser gives you full access to your review to make changes, while the application gives an entire blank page to start a new one

compact zenith
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Before they made motherboards overclocking ready, never understood why or what use one would have to do such a thing.

cursive epoch
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CPU overclocking used to have a real, beneficial gain more than just a few percent higher benchmark scores or a few fps higher

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It's all because they weren't pushed very near their limits from factory like modern CPUs does

quartz zinc
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Can here someone explain what xeon w processors are and how theyre different from the regular xeons?

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Ive seen the 3175x pop up every now and then on 3dmark scores and wonder how is it different from the gold/platinum processors

cursive epoch
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The W in Xeon means Workstation

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They're used in workstation workloads

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While xeon gold and platinum are used in servers

quartz zinc
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How come it’s better than the 5995wx in some cases?

cursive epoch
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It depends on workload really

quartz zinc
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I thought the x299 cpus were for workstation

cursive epoch
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x299 is a tier lower

quartz zinc
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Cant you put 2 3175x’s on a dual socket motherboard ?

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Absolutely insane

grizzled bloom
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You can put it on a dual socket board but only one will work

compact zenith
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I get to build my system today finally!!! All those later dates suddenly turned to expedited to today's date. Never seen that happen without shelling out an additional $100+

bronze summit
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if it says 6000 by O.C. does that mean XMP will work

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sudden creek
bronze summit
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okay

sudden creek
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Of course, you need to make sure that your mobo supports that speed as well.

bronze summit
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well it says right there 6000

sudden creek
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Oh didn't realize that's your Mobo's support.

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Then yeah, 6,000mhz is your memory speed limit.

sudden creek
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What mobo size is CEB?

grizzled bloom
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12x10.5 inches
305 × 267 mm

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It's meant for multi processor systems

sudden creek
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Got it.

amber canopy
hollow thorn
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Mem might matter more now

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Boosting is decent

cursive epoch
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^

sudden creek
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When the Z790 boards come out, any board in particular I should keep my eye on?

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Like for example, Aorus Elite boards.

bronze summit
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Are exon cpus same as like 12th gen series

compact zenith
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When I joined here 3 weeks ago, I purchased 3 AORUS Z690, 3 sets of 64gb ran, I7 with gfx, I7 without, and I9, 6 NVME, 3 coolers and 3 Windows 11 Builders license. Was able to build my kids systems, despite one DOA set of RAM which I gave them mine, as it's taken 3 weeks for Newegg to get me the rest of the parts to finally build mine. I never open anything until all parts come. Last thing I need is to open let's say the motherboard, and find out the CPU I need is on back order or canceled. My kids system were built, minus the DOA ram so gave my kids mine, and before I could send it back, find out it has issues, and I'm better off getting two 32gb, instead of 4x16. I'm still waiting on my NVME, were on the third week since I purchased everything, and ram comes today, and its not new, it's used and taped closed. Now if I had purchased the $299 pro versions, I'd not have issues, but I got the $50 and $100 builders copies of pro windows 11, and the first two things it looks at, is motherboard and ram. If that ram was used in another's motherboard, it's already registered with Microsoft, who will fail the new license, thinking I tried to install a cheap copy on old system. Calling MS to fix it, can go in one of two ways. One, they ask for proof, and give overide, or get an unhelpful one who flags it, and it's as good as tossing $100 out the window. So I contact Newegg customer service, who do an RMA with no issue, but find out it can be weeks until they get that ram back in stock. I already shelled out $800+ for both rams and awaiting refund on the first. I'm not about to pay another $350, when they sent me used ram to begin with, and the 30 days is almost up on the parts that are awaiting the ram and NVME. So I ask, either extend the 30 day grace period until you get me the parts I paid for, replacing the used ram, or take all the parts for my build back, and ship them all out at once. It's cheaper to just take the ram back and send me a replacement, and extend the

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30 days when they finally get around to sending me rest of my parts to build the I9 system. Nope, they rather pay to take it all back, and reship it to me at full price. Think I'm going to call it quits after building my kids two systems and give up on mine. It's just to crazy.

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Come to think of it, that's what I'm going to do. Send my unopened parts back. God forbid the ram and NVME come, and the board or CPU is bad, I lose $1600 investment.

amber canopy
compact zenith
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I don't know how many Aorus Z690 Masters come to a shipping carton, but see a severe issue with how they ship each motherboard. Two sets I completed so far, each box had a bulge on left side which the new motherboard sits on. It's caused by the WiFi antenna. They need to bubble wrap it and leave it on the top, after the motherboard. Packing it the way they are now, can crack the motherboard during shipping.

hollow knot
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Persona 5 royal min specs state i7-4790. I have a i5-4670k. 4790 is only better at octocore threading. Everything else is the i5 it shoulf affect my gaming at all tight

fleet hemlock
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Do you think 12th gen Intel will see price cuts when 13th gen launches?

burnt spear
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used definitely

fleet hemlock
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Mm yus

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I kinda like the rumored specs for the 13600k though

a 14 core processor will be a great upgrade from my 2c4t i3 5010u 😭

hollow thorn
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Look at Zen 2 prices today after Zen 3 launched

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Retail prices went up when used prices came down

fleet hemlock
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Hopefully the 13600k costs similar to what the 12600k currently costs

hollow thorn
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We just don't know yet

fleet hemlock
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Yesssss

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only speculation

hollow thorn
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I thought 5600x MSRP being 300$ was dumb when 3600 was 200$, but it still worked somehow

vast meadow
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Wonder how 13600 non k and below will be on 12th gen arch

fleet hemlock
cerulean wadi
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You're gonna say the same thing again when 7600X is $300 & 5700x/5800x is $250ish or less. Pepe_KEK

vast meadow
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Not to mention b650 pricing

fleet hemlock
hard leaf
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still rumors say that the 13th gen will be pricier than 12th gen

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so prepare your wallet :V

compact zenith
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When 13th Gen comes out. I can see the $780 I9 CPU, getting dropped to around $480, before it becomes permanently discontinued.

amber canopy
compact zenith
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One sec, I'll get Newegg link

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I paid $589 for it while it was on sale a few weeks ago.

hard leaf
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ths ks is never on sale

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maybe you took the 12900k deal

compact zenith
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It was on sale when I purchased it. Ask Neweggservice, I'm sure he'll vouch on that since he's been helping me with the two nightmares that's prevented me from building my own system with that CPU. Got my kids systems done last week, but mine with that CPU is awaiting the ram that should be here tomorrow.
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You know how much I could have gotten that CPU for, had I still worked for geeksquad?

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If you work for high end companies like BestBuy or Microsoft, Intel has an employee purchase program that lets you get up to two CPUs each year if you pass their tests and training courses. Each one is $75 each.

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2010 to 2015, I'd build top of the line gaming systems for my family. Two per year. Then I'd sell off the older ones, after 4 years. Get caught selling a new CPU the moment you got it, got you fired.

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Microsoft after they ended Technet, has similar programs. You can get full windows 11, for $10.

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Think it's $15 now.

stone bluff
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Anyone know if Gigabyte x570 Aorus Master is reliable again? Some years ago, GB had a bad interval with its bios. Looks to no longer be a problem, but I've talked with people who won't go near Gigabyte's boards anymore.

compact zenith
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I have an extensive Microsoft library, that dates back to 1989, with every beta, every employee purchase I ever made from them.

spare pewter
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Any good mobos compatible with ryzen 7 5600x

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800*

compact zenith
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They even fixed the stupid issue with the NVME, and RTX fighting over the bus. I lost a lot of good MMORPG data, on my Z390, because the data was bottlenecking due to a constant tug of war, and when I did a normal shut down, many a times the data wasn't done writing, and a days worth of game data for games like Terraria, Starbound, and OutWorlder, games that constantly read and write would be lost.

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My kids using the Z690 reported the above to me just yesterday, by the way. I won't know first hand, until I get my own system up and running.

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Oh, word of advice if you go with the Aorus Master, Z690. Don't get the TeamForce Delta RGB ram. Even if the 2TB free NVME sounds too irritable! Too many issues reported that I ignored, and out of three builds I did, one was DOA. The RGB is hard to program. It would vanish off the available components once warmed up. Go with Corsair, or Gskill. I would put T-Force on the same reliability as Gamax.

hard leaf
compact zenith
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Ravel, is 14 Sata drives what you would call a mad amount of drives?

hard leaf
compact zenith
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That's what's running right now off my Z390 lol. 14 spindle sata drives. My new system I plan weeding most of them out.

hard leaf
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that could be classified as a NAS

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14 drives is a bit excessive for a desktop pc

spare pewter
hard leaf
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disregard the uk pricing, but that model is pretty good

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😛

hollow thorn
hard leaf
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its the same but not uk pricing xD

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yup openrgb is a great tool... you can get rid of a lot of bloatware

compact zenith
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It's a gaming server, which runs Ultima Online, Minecraft, rAythena aka Ragnarok Online, Terraria, Starbound, Don't Starve together, and a few others, 24/7. Half of them have to save to spindle drives, as the constant writing corrupts with the NVME I pointed out above. If it writes every 15 minutes like ServeUO, it saves to the NVME and runs off an NVME. If it writes constantly, then I save data to spindle.

hollow thorn
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Constant writing corrupts the NVMe? What

hard leaf
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e_e

hollow thorn
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Writing to native tlc will be slower but there's no damage

hard leaf
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unless you defrag the nvme....

hollow thorn
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I'd suspect software issues before hardware there

compact zenith
# hollow thorn Constant writing corrupts the NVMe? What

If you run a gaming server off a AORUS Master Z390, it's a VERY BAD idea to have games like Terraria, Starbound save to your NVME, as they constantly write, and their data is prone to currupt with that mothetherboard. Saving to spindle drives is safer.

hard leaf
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cant see the relation between corrupted drive and the mobo, but ok

compact zenith
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It's not the hardware that goes bad, just the data. Part of the cause was the RTX, NVME, fighting over the 32bit bus.

hollow thorn
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What

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M.2_1 gets dedicated lanes

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From CPU

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Not motherboard chipset

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It doesn't share bandwidth with anything

compact zenith
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I may be explaining it wrong, but from what I was told, the first PCI express slot is 32 bit, the second is 16, the third 8, and last 4. Having an RTX and NVME on the Z390 board, like the Rocket NVME, causes no end of issues if your playing a high end game that's using the NVME

hollow thorn
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No

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X16/x4 or x8/x8 typically setup for the x16 slots, NVMe drives get their own x4 lanes

compact zenith
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I'm only repeating what Gigabyte told me almost two years ago

hollow thorn
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I can pull up the setup for the exact board

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X570 aorus ultra?

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This started being about a x570 board

compact zenith
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No, Gigabyte AORUS Master Z390 with I7

hollow thorn
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Lemme see if I can pull it up

compact zenith
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I was pointing out the issues with my old board , and saying they aren't present in the Z690 version.

cerulean wadi
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Oftentimes the lowest pcie slot is x4 electrically even if it's a physical x16 slot. Of course z390 doesn't have the features of a z690 or z590. It's also possibly some people use an x1 slot when they don't want to. Pepe_KEK

hollow thorn
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                        • M2M - - - - - - - - -
                          Slot 1: [PCIe3.0 x1] (PCIEX1_1)
                          Slot 2: [PCIe3.0 x16] (PCIEX16)
                          Slot 3: [PCIe3.0 x1] (PCIEX1_2)
                          Slot 4: - - - - - - M2A - - - - - -
                          Slot 5: [PCIe3.0 x16] (PCIEX8)
                          Slot 6: [PCIe3.0 x1] (PCIEX1_3) | M2P
                          Slot 7: [PCIe3.0 x16] (PCIEX4)
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That's the setup for z390 aorus master

compact zenith
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The biggest issue I had with all 4 Z390, was installing fresh copy of Windows, strait onto an NVME. It always bluescreens. Only way I got around that problem, was to install a regular SSD, install Windows to the SSD, then image it to the NVME.

hollow thorn
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Prob had smth to do with uefi/legacy boot

hollow thorn
stone bluff
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Interesting conversation. Ravell, I won't overclock or not by much, so I suspect the vrms of either board, a B550 or an X570, would be equivalent - but maybe not.... I saw that the x570 was more modern, isn't that so? Doesn't that imply that it's superior to the older B550?

hollow thorn
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Block diagram from Intel

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hollow thorn
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There's a decent amount of b550 boards that have better VRMs than most x570 boards

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The main difference is still the x570 chipset downlink being pcie 4.0 when b550 is pcie 3.0 for chipset

compact zenith
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I changed those settings. Even made a special UEFI NVME install drive. BSOD always always happened. Even off the install DVD. With my Z390s, installing windows was a pain, until I put in the SSDs. Install to them, then image to NVME, and take the SSD offline to use as an emergency restore system to boot off of and do a quick NVME boot drive repair/restore.

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Come to think of it, nothing booting off an NVME, even an emergency boot system for Macrium Reflect, ever blue screened any of the four Aorus Z390. Only installing windows directly to it had issues.

stone bluff
hollow thorn
# stone bluff What is the "chipset downlink"?

Block diagram for x570 for example,
It's what connects CPU to chipset, since x570 uses pcie 4.0, everything connected chipset will still use pcie 4.0, where on b550, chipset is pcie 3.0, although stuff connected to CPU is still pcie 4.0, anything connected to chipset can only use pcie 3.0

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B550 block diagram

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stone bluff
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Isn't that a critical deficiency for the B550?

hollow thorn
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The first pcie slot is still directly connected to CPU, and therefore is still pcie 4.0 on b550

stone bluff
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...compared to the faster communication for the x570?

hollow thorn
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So the main thing you would care about gets pcie 4.0 either way

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M.2_1 on both are directly connected to CPU, and therefore is still pcie 4.0

hollow thorn
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Like 3080 barely sees any difference in a pcie 4.0 slot than pcie 3.0 slot

stone bluff
hollow thorn
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What

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This is only about bandwidth

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Not latency

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Also, chipset is basically just storage at this point

stone bluff
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I mean,memory management in particular, and I don't know what all else.

hollow thorn
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If that was in the chipset the latency would be too high

stone bluff
hollow thorn
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No?

hollow thorn
stone bluff
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I understand. I mean to say, surely bandwidth can strongly affect latency.

hollow thorn
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It can, yea

stone bluff
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...your example notwithstanding.

hollow thorn
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But iirc the lanes run at the same frequency in pcie 4.0 and 3.0 so same latency

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Just double the bandwidth

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I can check to be sure later

stone bluff
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Thanks, no need to check for my sake.
I'm seeking a hig-mid-range board for my build, Ryzen 5900. I'm a developer, some audio and a/v creation and production, no gaming to speak of. What boards would you recommend?

hard leaf
stone bluff
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...to run Linus.

hollow thorn
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Actually it is double the frequency, that's how it achieved the bandwidth, so technically it's lower latency, but not enough to matter

hard leaf
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quite the academic research on the x570 and b550 mr111

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very nice indeed

hollow thorn
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Fun things

hard leaf
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yeah its always nice to dig into those things for someone who appreciate it

stone bluff
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I haven't used it to date, but that speaks to my ignorance, not necessarily to my need. Let's say, no.

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...regarding Thuderbolt

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thunder

hollow thorn
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Yea just checking because thunderbolt might matter and very few am4 boards have thunderbolt

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(that Asus proart board)

stone bluff
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OK, now I have to read about Thunderbolt...

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lemme see...

hard leaf
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its a high end port for connectivity, like a hyper usb. it provides the fastest transfer rate between the device and the pc

hollow thorn
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Also, do you need wifi?

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Yea it's rare on amd boards because it's an Intel thing so they need to add an extra chip to do it, therefore annoying and expensive

hard leaf
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royalties here and there

stone bluff
stone bluff
hard leaf
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proart should do then

hollow thorn
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The next main thing is io, what kinda ports you need on the back in general

stone bluff
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I didn't appreciate TB is that much of an advance over USB. None of my devices support it, and none need replacing, though I suppose I am drifting into obsolescence.

hollow thorn
stone bluff
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This machine is coming at the tail-end of this cycle.

stone bluff
hexed shard
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Wait for next AMD processors or buy one now? I have a Ryzen 7 2700 with a Rx 6700x
Interested on getting newer processor for Smart Access Memory, and MOBO for more NVMe slots, I'm using a 1tb drive but have a 512gb one unusable (only have 1 slot atm).

stone bluff
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...from developing under Windows for decades.

hexed shard
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I know that I will always have FOMO, since something new comes up every year, I think I'll just wait until I have extra cash next year, my computer still runs everything fine ultrawide 1440p, and wait for a promotion

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What kind of development you do?

stone bluff
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Used to do low-level communications,

hexed shard
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Nice, don't know much about it but sounds interesting and complex

stone bluff
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It's big words, but, like most anything, there is a lot of depth when you crack through the surface.

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"It's big words" ---not to disparage you, just to say that it can be understood.

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These are fields of study, is all.

hollow thorn
hollow thorn
stone bluff
hollow thorn
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More recently, other than USB dropout issues across most am4 boards, haven't really heard of major failures on am4 boards

stone bluff
stone bluff
hollow thorn
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Fair nuff, but for most consumers like gamers, we can usually just wait a bit

stone bluff
hollow thorn
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Mhm, it's often nicer to get mid-end parts and upgrading within like 2 years instead of trying to go all out to last longer

stone bluff
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Hopefully, I'll need a super-powerful machine next time!

hollow thorn
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I mean, you won't need to replace it for a long time, it's all about what extra cash you have and if spending that extra cash does anything for you

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Like you can use a 4770k from what, 8 years ago, but a 12600k is going to be much nicer in any application that can leverage it

stone bluff
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Yes.

hollow thorn
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You shouldn't feel pressured to upgrade if the performance isn't failing you

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It's not like a golden rule that you must do, it's just when you feel like it mostly

stone bluff
hollow thorn
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Good time to upgrade then lol

stone bluff
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Getting boot failures of various sorts, it's an old machine, but it performed well for over twn years,

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ten

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OK, so I'm going to very seriously consider the mobos you recommended. Thanks very much, and for the benefit of your effort, as well as your knowledge and judgment.

spare pewter
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@hollow thorn I love you you helped me a long time ago when I was in this server so helpful Ty for what ur doing appreciate it man

hollow thorn
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You're welcome, I'm just chillin and having fun with looking at hardware stuff

naive pendant
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hi there

hollow thorn
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hi

naive pendant
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hiya. I'm new here, so wondering where I might ask about PCI-e USB stuff

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another time of day?

hollow thorn
naive pendant
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hmmm, OK, maybe someone will see this eventually: I've been looking at cheap PCI-e expansion cards that have internal USB 3.0 headers one them so one can connect his/her front panel on desktop case. I see some bad reviews, so I am hesitate to fire up my new build with one of these cards plugged into the motherboard. otherwise, I would need to find a way to straighten one pin on my mobo's USB 3.0 header.

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None of these expansion cards would seem to provide any assurance in case of destructive failure

hollow thorn
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Tweezers might be fun for fixing headers, but in general, they shouldn't be that risky in terms of just plugging them in, other than the card just arriving doa, things have to go VERY wrong for it to damage anything.

naive pendant
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yeah, probably true. the reviews on Amazon for one product often discuss 5 different products under one listing anyway. I got this card because one builder with a youtube channel bought a similar one from the same brand. As for fixing the mobo header, someone suggested a coffee stirrer and some fine pliers/tweezers

toxic pewter
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Hello, I am trying to find a program for my ram sticks which are T-Forces Delta DDR5's, I want to have more access on my RGB selection and not be limited on what I can do with them, Is there any suggestion on certain programs that can give me more access to customize my Ram colors? I just tried OpenRGB, ( Msi's Mystic light but messed up my lights ) and RGB fusion 2.0. Basically the RGB software's that were shown on the package that I got my ram from, all of them didn't really have much RGB control so that's why i'm wondering.

grizzled bloom
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If you want more features and effects you can try signalrgb

compact zenith
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Neweggservice has been extremely helpful. Thanks for the tip a few days ago. Usually talking to support in past, was so intimidating, Id get a knot in my stomach, just thinking of the last time I had to deal with service, which was in 2012, with a DOA motherboard.

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The man behind Neweggservice is friendly, goes out of his way if he can, and I don't feel as if I been just told I need heart surgery type of feeling.

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This is the above and beyond I wish most customer service was like.

ruby basin
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is it ok to use 16x1gb ?

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my friend's planning to buy another 16gb in like 2 years

burnt spear
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2x8 is better if ddr4

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far better

ruby basin
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hmm

ruby basin
burnt spear
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yes

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cpu performance will be knee capped

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as pato puts it

ruby basin
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oke, thanks

hollow thorn
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dual channel matters a lot

long geyser
compact zenith
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The GIM 120mm fans have a really nice RGB configuration where both the frame and the fan blades both have RGB effects. They work great with my older Z390 Aorus Master, but for some reason they have issues working with the Z690.

frosty depot
compact zenith
# frosty depot Told ya :P. I'm glad you had a good experience.

Affirm, they I have to say are complete idiots lol. When I sent the bad items back, they credited them but stupidly didn't update a system, so they declined my replacements, which was no biggy. Used my debit card instead and saved myself a ton of interest. I only used them when I made my 3 build purchase, to avoid using my card I had just paid off same day. Some of these credit card companies, you can pay off an entire 4k balance without paying a dime interest, and enjoy 5%, but make the mistake of using that card the same day for let's say a $5 sale, and six months later find yourself with over $400+ in interest charges because they used that $5 sale to carry a balance. So Affirm lost 6k, I got 5% off my 6k purchase, and will enjoy $300 in points next month. This little hassle put a smile on my face 🙂

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I always friggin forget to reply oops.

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I have a 2TB fury that's going to be here Monday. I already own 4 of them in my kids builds, and their 7300mbps read and 7100mbps write, only seems to be truthful with one system. I can only get a close to accurate reading as long as it's a freshly formatted system, with no spindles online. Meaning I disconnect all the SATA, or I just take them off line. I haven't found any accurate reviews where they tested both the Kingston Fury, and the SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB. They tested the yellow box version, which is too slow for me

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I'm going to wait for Monday to see if the bios on the Aorus Master z690 has any bios tweaks that enhance an NVMEs performance.

cerulean wadi
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Also if that's a C drive on any pc. That'll effect a test sometimes. I went safe and just got a P41. Many reviewers scored it well

compact zenith
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I only been using them as the OS drive in all my builds, and use spindles for my gaming servers. Some of my more active I'll use the NVME, but after seeing one die in my daughter's system recently, am giving it some thought if I should just have the ones that constantly write, direct to a spindle instead. My daughter was running Minecraft, Terraria, and Starbound servers off her NVME, both game and data, and her rocket NVME just died after 8 months.

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Two things I dislike when building new systems. Warranty replacements, and rebate cards. Never once got a rebate card for a purchase so I sort of stick with sales that are instant now a days.

frosty depot
compact zenith
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Mail in ones, I avoid like the plague, especially if it's a $10 one. To have to spend $3.00+ for delivery confirmation for a 3 month wait for $7 I'm never going to see, for example. The RTX 2060 I got last year, had a $20 rebate. I only got it because the price was $450. MSI will always say they didn't get the material, even when showing them the tracking number that clearly showed they did. The three new builds that I just completed two of, still waiting for my ram to complete my I9, I went with components that didn't offer rebates, only instant. Pretty sad those Team Delta force DDR5 ram had too many issues. Those free 2TB NVME were actually quite decent. My kids new systems run faster with those than the Sabrent Rockets I paid $499 each a little over a year ago for.

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I'd have tried the SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB from Newegg, had they listed them at normal price, but for some reason they still list them for $359 lowest price, when actual SRP is $259 for the 2TB.

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I keep a few sealed NVME for new OS installs. Otherwise I run the risk of a new builders license failing, and trying to get Microsoft to fix that, is a frustrating process. Had it not been so, I'd have not really cared that the new ram was used that Newegg Shipped me a few days back.

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Wednesday when it came, I was like, yay, finally!! I can put my new system together. Then saw the taped torn box inside, and my heart sank. Had I used it and someone else had it in their own PC, it's like redeeming a key.. it would fail the install, then when I plugged in the new ram, it would have failed again as the failed attempt would have recorded the motherboard and CPU already. So waiting it out. When you don't see my large walls of text, that means I'm finally working on my own build 😂.

compact zenith
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So anyways, ram Im expecting is 2x32, not 4x16, yet the urge to buy another two 2x32 for full RGB effect and seeing two empty slots..... It's like the empty slots are calling to me

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But at the same time 😜 I image people here yelling NO!!!!

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Oh, at least today all the replacement cables come in. Pressure locked headers. No glue, no shrink.

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I'm off to bed. Rereading all I typed has made me sleepy.

vast meadow
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Yes we are yelling no

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4 sticks of ddr5 is actually a meme if you really want you can probably get rgb dummy sticks

cursive epoch
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^

sudden creek
compact zenith
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Unless Corsair has RGB shells to match the 64gb ram ones, Id not bother. My systems I build are my baby's, like a car is to some. If anything, I'll just get small cap plugs to protect the open slots.

vast meadow
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Dont waste your money on that

compact zenith
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Believe me, I wouldn't spend $350 for extra ram I don't need. I definitely need above 32gb, but not by much, hence the 64gb

vast meadow
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Mobo slots dont need protecting

compact zenith
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If you saw my wife's older system, before I rebuilt it last year, you might not say that. She originally had 140mm fans, 3 top, 3 front, two bottom and two back. One set was wired wrong so instead of blowing out, it pulled in and defeated the filters. Because the glass was tinted, didn't catch on and when you have 4 cats, dust bunny's collect quite fast. When I noticed the RGB was too dim, opened her system to find in only 8 months time, system packed with dust. Looked like one of those 486 that's never been cleaned. Dust looked more like insulation than dust, and her ram slots were completely buried. I'll upload a few pictures in a bit. Never seen anything like it except the old 486 systems people brought in to geeksquad, asking if we can make them run faster, or install Windows 7.

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Arrows on the Corsair fans that point direction of air flow on 3 fans was reversed.

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Decided to just do a newer rebuild and clean the older parts outside with my air compressor.

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Speaking of cleaning. The old best buy I used to work for that's long shut down, used to be a Comp USA. My in-laws got into a legal battle they won when they brought their Gateway for cleaning, and it stopped posting when they got home. Store wanted $400 to fix what they broke and ended up shelling out for a new system in the end due to small claims. When I was told the story, asked if they still had the system, and they did. Downloaded the boards Manuel and laughed. Nothing was broken. CompUSA used a vacuum to clean the motherboard and sucked up several jumpers. Three 10 cent jumpers and the system booted into XP with no problems. Find it funny, none of their old techs, even thought to look.

vast meadow
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As long as you clean your dust filter when it's dirty you'll be fine

agile jolt
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If your pc isn't in an attic you're fine

compact zenith
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Is there any known issue with knockoffs of 2TB Fury NVME? Just got one, and the packaging print is fuzzy, and Kingston's site has no check system for their NVMEs.

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Ordered this off Newegg, sold by Platinum Micro.

grizzled bloom
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Kingston in general does get fakes sometimes

compact zenith
# vast meadow As long as you clean your dust filter when it's dirty you'll be fine

Filters work great, it's when the older system was pulling air in through the outtake vent that didn't have a filter, that things got pretty messy. I'm trying to find the denatured alcohol so I can give several good motherboards an alcohol bath, without that white residue, which you can get from those cheap gallons if one isn't careful.

grizzled bloom
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Is it working as expected? Saving data and retrieving it normally? Not too slow, close to expected read/write speeds?

compact zenith
# grizzled bloom Kingston in general does get fakes sometimes

I did a Google search and only saw a list for Kingston ram fakes , nothing for the Fury NVME drives. I haven't opened it yet. It's for my I9 I'm building that's awaiting the Corsair ram NeweggService did me the favor of rushing out to me, after seeing the one sent was used. I was afraid to use it and void my new Windows 11 Builders license should that open ram been used and recorded by Microsoft.

grizzled bloom
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You can install Windows without a license

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Which is perfect for testing like that

hard leaf
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swapping ram/nvme can void your license? o.O thats new to me

compact zenith
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I purchased four builders Windows 11 pro licenses. Windows 11 will not boot fully if I don't connect to the internet, and if they see a used item, they will fail the license key. Had this issue with my daughter's system when I left the portable NVME I used for OS install connected after reboot. Had to get a rep to do that 10 section verification overide for my daughter's system

grizzled bloom
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Then install windows 10 and leave it offline, and don't get builder licenses lol

compact zenith
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Windows 11 stops at connection first time boot up if no internet.

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I'm fine waiting to Monday lol

hard leaf
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i just installed win 11 last month

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no internet at all

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you dont need internet to make the installation, you only need it for registration but you can skip that for later

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nor for the first boot

compact zenith
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When I do my system Monday, I'll take a picture and post it here. Windows 11 refused to go past the connection screen until I opened task manager and ran the Intel WiFi drivers install, and connected to the internet. This is Windows 11 pro. Not home.

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Windows 10 allows you to say you don't have a key and moves on. Windows 11 pro, doesn't.

hard leaf
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yes, i installed the pro as well

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something is wrong on your installation

vast meadow
hard leaf
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you can install it and skip every registration progress for as long as you want

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literally

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obviously you wont have the updates and all of that, but it will run at the very least

compact zenith
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Ravell, lol, it was your advice I actually took to use a USB drive, instead of my DVD drive to install windows 11. I also didn't convert the DVDs sent with my keys, I used the utility Microsoft has you download, to make a USB UEFI installer.

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Oh, forgot one thing. My new builders license is Windows 11 pro. My kids pro licenses were actually Windows 10 pro, but used their keys in a windows 11 installer which worked once I connected to the internet. My daughter's only failed at first due to me forgetting to remove the USB NVME drive before rebooting. Both times I had to press Shift - F10 to run admin cmd to run taskmgr and then admin to run the Intel WiFi installer.

grizzled bloom
compact zenith
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I wonder if my Windows 11 key would work with Windows 10 should I run into issues

hard leaf
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not sure if it backwards compatible

grizzled bloom
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They're not

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Only forward

compact zenith
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If not, I can always use one of my technet keys for XP, 7, or 10.

grizzled bloom
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The same when trying to downgrade an install of 11 that was originally 10, if you're past your 10 days your key won't work

grizzled bloom
compact zenith
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These are Technet, from program they discontinued a few years ago. They keys still work, least 7 and 10, as long as a key isn't operating on two different systems.

hard leaf
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anyway, if you have all those doubts, better to wait for all your parts to arrive before going forward

grizzled bloom
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I'd usually just get a $20-25 OEM key, much less to worry about

hard leaf
compact zenith
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I been waiting lol. Each time a part comes Im estatic until I see it's not the ram I'm waiting for. The ram is the only thing holding my build up. Fry!!!!!!!!

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Love that show.

hard leaf
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who doesn't 😄

grizzled bloom
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So many Futurama memes

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The whole damn show is a meme anyway

compact zenith
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I was like 10 years old when the Simpsons was just a short on the Tracy Ulman show

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Show didn't last long when Simpsons got their own slot.

grizzled bloom
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I remember the first Treehouse of Horror derpyBlob
I'm old...

hard leaf
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yup, we are old

compact zenith
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Obama, Obama,... Loved that one.

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The voting Booth tree house of horror

grizzled bloom
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Kodos and Kang became some of my favorite recurring characters

compact zenith
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Older then me? I'm from the old BBS days of C-Net BBS. Ran first on a C64, then 128d, then C-Net Amiga multi chat. Called mine Video Game Mansion. My brother Black shadow BBS.

grizzled bloom
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Probably not older, I was watching when I was probably too young lol

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Lets just say I grew up playing on a Game Gear

compact zenith
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My first ever motherboard botch up was putting a SCSI cable on backwards. Two wires burned clean through the ribbon cable.

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Atari 2600 and grey game boy. Oh, had first color handheld called Atari Lynx.

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My brother owned a game gear. I as a kid bought broken arcade machines, fixed them, then sold them to my local Chuck E cheeses.

grizzled bloom
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That's a pretty good racket for a kid

compact zenith
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Kept Phoenix and Astro blasters for myself.

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I delivered newspapers and just by accident found out that Sears selling 10 pack maxells at $55 a box, could get them from China at $7.80, so started selling to my local school districts at $15. Then got fined for not having resale certificate, which my parents helped me with. Stopped it all when Internet flooded the market and made it so everyone could get same things cheap.

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Met Richard Garriott late 80s and in 1998, worked for Stratics Electronic Arts promoting Ultima Online and Earth and Beyond so basically ended up over the years with a lot of professions which came in handy in 2020 when pandemic hit.

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Forgot what you call it. I can't stick with something too long. I get bored with it. Building systems, I never get bored with

compact zenith
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This should be a meme. Once in a blue moon, when taking my family out to eat, I catch myself asking for a booth at no smoking section.

grizzled bloom
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That's still a thing in some countries, France iirc

compact zenith
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Years ago, before all the law changes, before entitled people were called Karen's, I was on a train, LIRR going to Manhattan to see the Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey circus with my family. Train always sat at the station a good hour. The car was foggy, as just about every one except the kids were smoking in this car. While the conductor was checking passenger tickets, some huge entitled woman, was like a female version of Andre the Giant enters the car, reached up and slid the panel from Smoking, to Non smoking, and starts demanding everyone to put their cigarettes out and for the conductor to do his job. My father gets up, walks to the sign, and pulls the No panel off, handing it to the conductor, telling him he's doing a great job. When the entitled woman went on a screaming rampage, which was about to hold up the train from leaving, a bunch of passengers got up, mostly ladies, and carried the woman to the exit, telling her to get off by herself, or they would help her. She got off and train left without her. 20 cars, 4 set for smoking, and yes, entitled people existed back then too lol. Only difference, people were more physical back then.

grizzled bloom
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Yeah these days you can't pull something like that. You push away a person trying to steal your xbox, gpu, whatever and they start yelling about how they'll sue you for assault lol

compact zenith
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Your spot on with that. 3 weeks ago a shoplifter at closing was told to just go. Instead, he attacks a kid waiting to be let out of the store. Two security and one assistant manager couldn't pull the guy off, so I pull my Taser and snap it at the guys head. That means turning it on but not making contact. I was to worried of Tasing the child and 3 people trying to get the guy off. Obviously on something. He let go, but said he was going to sue me. Took like 9 officers to catch and restrain the guy. Kid only got a few bumps and small cut, but the experience left me, and my son who was with me, shaking for hours. Following day when we stopped back to do reports, not police, but store, my son asks if they are hiring, and manager hired him on the spot. No interview, no resume, just said bring your working papers on Friday. I never got a job that easily 😂.

grizzled bloom
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These days hiring is like that. Lots of places just leave "open interview" hours on the window with a note to bring docs, and hire you on the spot.

compact zenith
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Most absurd job interview I ever had was with Computer Associates in 1996. I was working for a military contractor as lead technician for about $22 an hour, and Computer Associates got my info somehow and asked me to do an interview. Figured why not, have something lined up should contract not get renewed. Was given this 100 page test, was told to start in two week, and I'm like woah woah woah. No real interview? Arent you going to make an offer of how much I get paid? You didn't even mention starting pay. This was when HR tells me, they start everyone at $5.90 an hour, and if I do well, I might get a 25 cent raise in two years. I asked the lady if she even looked at my resume? I get $22 now, and you think I'm going to leave for $5.90? Her boss says he doesn't like my attitude, and I just said, you called me, I have a good job, and good pay already. Call me when you want to be sincere about a real offer. Went back to my job and told the owner what happened. He just laughed. CA actually called me almost 3 months later with a maximum offer of $8.60, no higher. Owner was standing next to me when that call came in and told them to stop calling. No such thing as call blocking back then. That interview was so insulting. Only thing that ever came close was a neighbor asking me to shovel his whole driveway in NY that had two feet of snow, after we had a huge blizzard, and offered me 15 cents to do it.

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That I just walked away from after saying I need to ask my dad first, which I didn't do. Was more afraid he'd make me do it for 15 cents lol. Most kids wouldn't have done it unless it was $30 or more

midnight pollen
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One of the quickest hires i had was just applying online, ask for portfolio, i give and they say when’s the soonest you can start

compact zenith
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I heard that happening often in NY a lot. Sadly, never to me when I lived there lol.

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Question in regards to doing Newegg Reviews. Are we allowed to post links in them, like an Important Intel driver link to get things going?

grizzled bloom
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I don't think I've ever seen a Newegg review with a link

compact zenith
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I have, but we're talking years ago. Like about 15 to be exact. Was on Sound blaster pro 64 awe. I was going to buy a newer version when mine started not working shortly after upgrading from XP to 7, and someone else who also had same problem who purchased a newer version, posted a link to creatives website to a huge unknown repository of drivers that most were unofficial, but worked to get my old sound card going again.

gaunt sand
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How much are pentium processors?

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With the MMX TM.

hard leaf
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how much or how old?

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MMX is a tech inside intel processors since 1997

compact zenith
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My god, it's been that long already?

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I for the life of me can't recall when we stopped talking about MMX, only that I got the top of the line one for $25. They at the time limited it to 1 per year, compared to the 2 per year now.

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Back then, you just had to send in a form with payment, and copy of pay stub to prove employment. Now a days, they make you work for them.

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They also used to ship CPUs with fans. Came in handy when my first water cooler broke, and needed a fan fast. I was lucky as the line just missed my GTX card.

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Those 3 builds I just purchased, two are graphic CPUs, one isn't. Newegg limiting them 1 per customer, forced me into getting them like that, and in a way gave me the opportunity to go with an I9 instead of I7. I7 used to be the lead CPU for gaming, then as years went by seems Intel made changes and now the I9 with 16 cores seems to be top CPU

cerulean wadi
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Mmx is old and obsolete, "replaced" w/ SSE. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX_(instruction_set)#Successors

MMX (instruction set)

MMX is a single instruction, multiple data (SIMD) instruction set architecture designed by Intel, introduced on January 8, 1997 with its Pentium P5 (microarchitecture) based line of microprocessors, named "Pentium with MMX Technology". It developed out of a similar unit introduced on the Intel i860, and earlier the Intel i750 video pixel process...

compact zenith
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I totally forget why Intel stopped with the P label CPUs and went with the I ones.

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My ram gets here tomorrow finally, and UPS text notifications glitched. Pop up said tomorrow, Monday October 19, yet the actual message says September. Seen similar notifications botch up too.

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Anyways, Even though my entire family has RTX, I try to stick with CPUs with graphics and motherboard that uses it. There have been rare times my daughter needed an extra card for her computer art course, and extra monitor, or I for a modding project. So I'd end up having to yank a card and having a CPU with graphics, made the system still usable. Slow as hell, but usable.

sudden creek
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Anyone know how much the 13th gen CPUs will be?

gaunt sand
grizzled bloom
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Rumors floating around of a $700 13900k

sudden creek
#

Within the margin of error then.

hollow thorn
#

infinite

scenic solar
#

Hi guys
A friend of mine is having issues with his ddr5 ram OC, i wanted to know if someone can recommend some voltages/freq/latencies that may stop giving out errors or figure out what the problem is (what gives errors/crashes in game)
Specs: gigabyte z690 aorus ultra (bios F20a since the latest was giving issues), gskill 6400 c32 (16*2gb), 12600k @5.2ghz.
Latency: all "stock"
Frequency: stable at 5800, crashes after 6000 no matter the latency.
Ram voltages:
VDDQ/VDD - 1.40v
VPP - 1.8v
VCCSA - 1.345v
dram - 1.4v
Ram is cooled with additional fans that keep the temps around 50C or less

dull flint
#

Sounding like a 4 dimmer gigglebit board limit

#

5800 is a bit low tho but Gigabyte has had poor DDR5 compatibility up until recently

sudden creek
#

Who evented the term "gigglebit" for Gigabyte?

#

I wanna give that man or woman a diamond in praise for said term.

dull flint
#

I don't remember tbh

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Lol

sudden creek
#

But I just spent my life earning and sold my soul to the devil in exchange for the diamond to give as praise.....

scenic solar
#

2slot*

dull flint
#

Yes

#

If it was IMC related they'd probably have the worst 12th gen IMC on the planet

#

Bar ES samples

sudden creek
#

What does IMC stand for?

hard leaf
#

integrated memory controller

sudden creek
#

Got it.

dull flint
#

1dpc like a tachyon or Unify ITX for example should take a 6400 kit to a much higher speed

hard leaf
#

is the thing that do the thing between the momery and the cpu

dull flint
#

Momery

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It's full of moms

hard leaf
#

trying to get 6400 on a 12th gen 2 dimms is madness on itself

sudden creek
dull flint
hard leaf
#

count me there

sudden creek
#

I assume with 14th gen and beyond 2dpc should be possible?

hard leaf
#

dont assume

#

we dont know

compact zenith
#

I can almost guarantee the I9 13th gen will be about $1500, and on eBay $4500+

#

That a no?

dull flint
#

It's been said 13900K/KF will be around $700

hard leaf
#

cant be that high, it need to compete against ryzen 7950

dull flint
#

It may change

#

But the market won't allow 200% markup

hard leaf
#

could be between 650 and 750

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1.5? no way

sudden creek
#

🙏 Intel RAM RAM 2️⃣ 14th gen+Mobo

hard leaf
#

rumors point to a mild increase over 12th gen

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like an i7 from 400 to 460 or something

sudden creek
#

The rumour I saw was $650-700 for 13900K.

scenic solar
#

Thanks @dull flint

hard leaf
#

anyway... rumors

compact zenith
#

What they say and what actually happens with first release is huge difference. How many times did they say the next new RTX would be $600, then release day were looking at $1600?

hard leaf
#

take that with a grain of salt

sudden creek
#

true.

hard leaf
#

ehhh wrong again

dull flint
#

Again, AMD pricing simply won't allow a 200% markup

sudden creek
hard leaf
dull flint
#

Intel would destroy their desktop cpu segment if they marked it up that high

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Even if they need better margins, it won't go that high

hard leaf
#

even 1k for an i9 ks is unthinkable, doa at launch. Period

sudden creek
#

Agreed.

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There is no way they'd market it that high.

dull flint
#

Especially when you could get a good KF

#

(Like I did)

sudden creek
#

🤞 KS releases at launch.

dull flint
#

(Mildly smiles)

hard leaf
#

no you didnt wuuut

dull flint
#

It's doing 5.5 single core

hard leaf
#

the ks version probably will be released to counter the 7000x3d series

dull flint
#

5.2p/4.1e all core

sudden creek
#

By the way, I heard a rumour that the TI variant of the 4090 might release alongside the 4090. What do you guys think of it?

dull flint
hard leaf
#

3090ti was released to counter the 6900xt sucess

#

4090ti probably will be held back for the same reason

dull flint
#

4090 TI is coming but probably not straight away no

hard leaf
#

to counter the 7970xt

compact zenith
hard leaf
#

i dont think we will have another crypto crash

sudden creek
#

If the 4090 ti exists, would you still call the 4090 a flagship?

hard leaf
#

no

dull flint
#

Yes

#

It's flagship class

hard leaf
#

for now the 4090 is the flagship until the 90ti is released

sudden creek
#

ooof. Wondering because I am trying to work on a RTX Flagship collection.

hard leaf
#

you gonna need both

dull flint
#

Like a 4080, 3080/TI, 3090/TI are

sudden creek
#

Probably 1-2 years.

compact zenith
#

Everything crashes, even things backed. You can only go so high before a huge drop, then starts all over again.

hard leaf
#

still the "real" collector will try to get the founders edition cards

#

not aib cards

sudden creek
#

Like all things. The bubble will pop eventually.

#

However the way things are, that bubble for BTC is gonna be quite a while.

hard leaf
#

the only link between diy enthusiasts and the crypto market was the gpu crisis, which is already behind. everything else is mined on asics, which, have no implications on the diy market anyway

scenic solar
#

@dull flint what do you recommend as new mobo:
TACHYON 2slot or MSI unify X 2sot?

dull flint
#

Not worth buying a new board unless they can return the other one

hard leaf
#

even if another crypto crash happens, it will have minor to no consequences to us, the geeks

sudden creek
scenic solar
hard leaf
#

oh

dull flint
compact zenith
#

By me, I call it the wife spending effect 😉 Though this time around, with me building 3 new builds, soon to be 4, Im the guilty party. My wife always says no, sees my system, our kids, then she sees hers and folds and asks me to build the next best system. She always wants in the end, a system better than mine 😂

sudden creek
#

Because either way I am gonna water cool the card once I am back in ShangHai.

hard leaf
#

no cooling? well they have some of the strongest vrm on board

dull flint
#

UX ITX btw

hard leaf
#

fe cards are totally viable for water cooling

grizzled bloom
dull flint
#

It's way cheaper

sudden creek
scenic solar
dull flint
#

Better bios is an easy plus

hard leaf
sudden creek
#

Got it. Think I will buy the FE then unless there is a strix or something with a better PCB at launch.

dull flint
#

Also I have experience with the UX, I found it a nice quality feeling board in general

#

When everything works it's nice

hard leaf
#

strix wont be at launch (my guess)

sudden creek
compact zenith
#

Speaking of Amazon, my neighbor told me today that the carton the idiot threw into his swimming pool over the fence, contained a $1800 tuf Asus laptop, and $560 Asus motherboard. Ram, drives, separate box.

sudden creek
dull flint
#

Or whatever that placed is called

hard leaf
#

aorus master extreme extreme

dull flint
#

Lol

#

Estreme

#

E stream

scenic solar
#

Is it worth waiting for new chipset (z790) or new 690 motherboard

hard leaf
#

dont know what the eff are you drinking but at least share some dude 😛

hard leaf
#

they will be expensive? oh yes

compact zenith
#

I used to only like ASUS, then tried the Master Z390, and well despite the issues, went with the Z690. Gigabyte used to also be much cheaper, but now competes with ASUS at same if not higher prices.

dull flint
#

EEC

#

DAMMIT

hard leaf
#

im a msi guy

#

only missile type boards for me thx

dull flint
#

ECC memory kek

sudden creek
compact zenith
#

MSI, I like their video cards.

sudden creek
#

They look really cool.

hard leaf
#

b660 tomahawk is one of the most expensive but well built mobos around (on 660 bracket)

#

z690 tomahawk.... not so much 😦

compact zenith
#

What I didn't like about MSI was a year of them pumping out non RGB cards so they can supply the miners, and not the game players.

hard leaf
#

well, not only msi, but all the brands

dull flint
scenic solar
#

Okk

#

Thanks

dull flint
#

And also yes a Kingpin Z690 is another good suggestion

#

If you can get it for 500

compact zenith
#

That irked me a bit. Heh, don't know what other brands did, I only wanted MSI .

hard leaf
#

asus, evga

dull flint
#

A sus

hard leaf
#

evga was a big supplier to miners btw

sudden creek
sudden creek
hard leaf
#

its a very solid mobo the kingpin

dull flint
#

Another sale? Damn didn't see that one

hard leaf
#

i wonder if we will have a 790 kingpin

dull flint
#

Probably will

#

Maybe not evga tho

hard leaf
#

not sure if evga will have him around after the nvidia breakup

sudden creek
#

Your only real downside on the Z690 Kingpin would be that half the board is rotated 90 degrees.

hard leaf
#

thats not a downside

#

wut?

dull flint
#

That'd an upside cos the ram is

sudden creek
#

It's a personal preference.

dull flint
sudden creek
#

I don't mind it.

hard leaf
#

exactly, in fact is an upside

sudden creek
#

But some people will dislike how it's rotated.

hard leaf
#

yo dont need personal preference when you are in heavy oc

sudden creek
dull flint
hard leaf
#

you need better features even if the mobo is ugly

compact zenith
#

I blame them. They for example had millions of faithful game player customers, who they cut out to meet the demand of the miners. Once that demand is met, it will be the game players keeping them in business, not the miners a few years from now.

sudden creek
#

From a functional standpoint it's better.

dull flint
#

Lol

hard leaf
#

lol

sudden creek
#

From a aesthetics standpoint it's a +/- depending on the user.

hard leaf
#

you went form hating it to love it in a split second

sudden creek
#

I think it's a + personally.

dull flint
#

Well ya don't buy a kingpin board for aesthetics worryyes

hard leaf
#

you dont look for aesthetics when you are in the heavy oc enviopremnt

#

if you buy a kingpin just becuase is beauty.... then you have a problem

sudden creek
dull flint
#

I don't tbh

#

We get too many people here

hard leaf
#

i mean kingpin is very good, but waiting for a 790 is even better

sudden creek
hard leaf
#

so you like to have 2 dimm slots only?

sudden creek
#

So long as I got 32gb of ram I'm good.

hard leaf
#

kingpin dont have 4 like opther mobos you know

sudden creek
#

It was a loss I was willing to take.

dull flint
#

2 dimmers 4 life

hard leaf
#

but given how ddr5 behave... only 1 plz

sudden creek
#

If I had my way, from an aesthetics stand point I'd stick 8 DDR5 sticks into my mobo.

compact zenith
#

I was looking on digikey the other day, and saw 500gb chips under $10, and wonder if they are so cheap, why hasn't any of the electronic magazines come out with any build your own NVME articles. For what I see, you could litterly make your own 10tb NVME for under $100

hard leaf
#

thank you

dull flint
hard leaf
#

oh yeah

#

why dont you go xeon or threadripper?

#

those have massive core counts

dull flint
#

2990X + 8 sticks of 8gb ddr4

#

Weeeee

hard leaf
#

who needs a 12900k anyway

dull flint
sudden creek
#
  1. Far more expensive. and 2. The game I play the most is heavily reliant on good single core performance.
hard leaf
#

ddr4 at 4800mt

sudden creek
#

Modded MC.

hollow thorn
sudden creek
#

I do 3D modelling work as well but 64 cores is more then I need and I'd be sacrificing game performance too much.

hard leaf
#

buy me an mp33 dad

dull flint
hard leaf
#

da dream

sudden creek
dull flint
#

2x16 PCIe 3.0 4090 nvlink

sudden creek
#

Dat the t rue dreamm.

hard leaf
#

too unstable

dull flint
#

40tb of nvme

#

Virtualised to 4 locations in the house

hard leaf
dull flint
#

Kekw

hard leaf
#

🥳

sudden creek
dull flint
#

Everyone can edit with threadripper

hard leaf
dull flint
#

Virtualising 4 systems on 2 4090's would be dope tho

sudden creek
hard leaf
#

imagine the number of vms on those threadrippers

#

daaaamn son

dull flint
#

Imagine 4 3090 TI's across 4 virtual spaces

sudden creek
#

Agreed.

hard leaf
#

the urge to mine is too great

#

begone

dull flint
#

You could split that up to like, 12x and still enjoy AAA gaming

sudden creek
#

Not now, but in the future I'd like to make my own server machine for my gaming server and Colocate it somewhere to get out of the obnoxious price to performance issue I am in right now.

hard leaf
#

more like place it

unknown.png
#

chocolate

sudden creek
#

Do you like 98% dark chocolate?

dull flint
#

Latte

compact zenith
#

I was considering a thread ripper myself when I was shopping my I9 build. 18 or 36 cores had a nice ring to it. But looking at the motherboards that support the CPU, left me with a bad taste in my mouth as saying goes. Found nothing appealing to me, and worse was seeing some MBs lacking in one area, to look at another series that fixed that lacking but falling short elsewhere. I used to hate AMD like I hated Apple and Tandy, but over the years I seen the AMD series vastly improve to where I was willing to give them a try, just that the available motherboards were not appealing to me.

sudden creek
#

That's my favorite (actually not kidding).

dull flint
#

You know

hard leaf
#

i dont

dull flint
#

My ux has 2 ethernet ports

hard leaf
#

ew

#

like the proart

sudden creek
dull flint
#

Could I use the second one to virtualise

hard leaf
#

meh

dull flint
#

It's 2.5g ethernet too so would prolly work

hard leaf
#

one is more than enough for the average joe

sudden creek
#

I am curious though. How would a Virtual machine perform? I might consider setting one up for my whole family in the future.

#

I9-16900KS + RTX 7090 TI.

hard leaf
#

perform as good as the resources you allocate to it

sudden creek
#

Time to get my whole family hooked on 4k Quadruple AAAA rated MC.

compact zenith
hard leaf
dull flint
#

Edge or force is cool

hard leaf
#

along with some neo skillz

#

and a ls720

#

bling to the max

sudden creek
hard leaf
#

heresy

sudden creek
#

Send me a link.

compact zenith
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hard leaf
sudden creek
#

I probably know the full name but not the abbreviation.

dull flint
hard leaf
sudden creek
#

Oh that one.

#

Not sure how that is bling.

dull flint
sudden creek
#

I already saw it in the past.

dull flint
compact zenith
#

Thanks Mr1111!

hard leaf
#

all hail deepcool and their convex cold plates

sudden creek
#

Is that AIO better or worse then Arctic F2?

dull flint
#

Slightly worse

hard leaf
#

but bling bling

dull flint
#

But you get premium features for the same price

sudden creek
#

Like?

dull flint
#

(bar b stock ebay)

dull flint
sudden creek
#

Thought you were gonna say LCD screen.

hard leaf
#

and its cheap for a slightly worse lf2

dull flint
#

Aio LCD's aren't ever worth it

#

Use an old phone if you want a screen in your pc

hard leaf
#

or a raspberry

sudden creek
#

Been thinking about getting a couple PI screens.

compact zenith
#

I had to toss out my cool master RGB fan controller last year. Somehow it's bios got wiped clean and I wasn't going to spend $50 to get it fixed when a new one costs me $15.

sudden creek
#

Though something's been bugging me.

hard leaf
#

clogmaster?

sudden creek
#

WHY IS IT 1080x700 RES!

#

Not 1920x1080

hard leaf
#

size?

sudden creek
#

7in.

#

7.5in.

hard leaf
#

i mean, because the size

dull flint
hard leaf
#

you dont need 1080 on that size

hollow thorn
#

Imo it's kind of stupid going that high pixel density on that small a screen

sudden creek
#

What bugs me is that the resolutions aren't proper 16:9 ratio.

hard leaf
#

yeah, what are you planning to do? play cod there?

hollow thorn
#

It'll be the equivalent of like 8k at 24in

sudden creek
dull flint
#

Tmw 16:10 is superior

sudden creek
#

Night club party lmao. perfect.

hard leaf
#

how dare you?

hollow thorn
#

16:10 is pretty standard too

dull flint
#

Standard and also superior

#

AspectMasterRace

hard leaf
#

indeed, i was talking about the disco party

#

to play some waifu videos or data monitoring on those tiny screens you dont need high res

sudden creek
#

Hmmm.

hard leaf
#

wishing for 1080p on those is... stupid as mr111 said

sudden creek
dull flint
#

However you want it to

#

You can zoom to fit if you want

hard leaf
#

center image on a less aspect ratio as well if you dont want to stretch the screen

#

theres like a million ways to do it

compact zenith
# dull flint There's no bios or eprom in those controllers lol

Then maybe you should tell them that, because that's what they told me after a huge update that left it on functional. That's why I switched to the GIM fan controller and fan system. The RGB effects are in the controller, the fan base, and the blades. Was cheap at $20, so purchased 30 sets to do all my family's systems. The only issue they are now correcting, is using locktite on the fan screw. Some of the units the screw pulls out with the fan blade, which because the fan was sonically sealed, you can't just open the motor housing from fan blade and tighten the screw.

#

Brb, getting picture.

dull flint
#

30 huh

sudden creek
#

Hmmm.

#

Still gotta figure out how I'd even mount a monitor in the fractal case.

dull flint
#

I mean I own one of those controllers it just duplicates the signal and supplies supplement power

hard leaf
#

now he can do that 30 times more

#

wow

hard leaf
#

drill and screws? hot glue?

compact zenith
#

See the screw came out from fan housing.

IMG_20220910_222350.jpg
sudden creek
#

I think I will probably do tape.

#

Don't wanna drill holes in a brand new case.

hard leaf
#

hot glue is better

dull flint
#

Zip ties are the best

sudden creek
hard leaf
hard leaf
sudden creek
hard leaf
#

it will be there for like... forever

#

to the back of the case

#

the back have a lot of holes

compact zenith
#

Lol, I have my new Thermaltake View71TG RGB fill tower case, glass all sides but back. No place to drill.

hard leaf
#

easy to zip tie everything there

dull flint
#

Plenty of holes everywhere to zip tie on a torrent

sudden creek
#

Got it.

#

Will probably do tape or ties then.

hard leaf
dull flint
#

Lol

hard leaf
#

or the mobo stand plate?

sudden creek
#

Most likely tape as I don't want cable ties to be noticable.

hard leaf
#

damn, thats a cool case

dull flint
#

Sounding like that all glass corsair case

compact zenith
#

I'm talking on the outside lol

dull flint
hard leaf
#

no one drill on the outside, its on the inside

#

the screen go inside the case not outside

#

at least most builders do it like that

#

some drill holes on the psu shorud, tohers on the mobo plate

dull flint
#

Ok i bbl

hard leaf
#

some even dremel a whole rectangle on the psu shroud for the screen

compact zenith
#

Oh, your talking about that StarTrek look you can give a case using an old smart phone?

hard leaf
#

that is nice

sudden creek
#

Hmmm. I just realized. With 2 slots taken for monitors. I will only have the ability to mount 3 panels.

#

Wait OH NO.

#

I CAN ONLY HAVE 3 ||WAIFUS! lmao, joking||.

hard leaf
#

you can use thunderbolt as well for those tiny screens

#

or the cpu igpu

sudden creek
#

The gpu has 4 slots.

compact zenith
#

Apex, you can always get a pciexpress splitter to add two cards if your short room. May not be as pretty, but gets the job done.

hard leaf
#

yeah, you can add a second gpu to the lower pcie slot

#

only to power up more monitors

#

no need for a big gpu

#

a 1050 should suffice as an example

#

to power up the lil screens

sudden creek
hard leaf
#

there you have it

#

4 more screens

sudden creek
#

Anyways.

#

3 screens in my PC should be plenty.

hard leaf
sudden creek
#

One for system info, one for a hyuman or whatever, and another for anything extra I wanna put in.

hard leaf
#

i have 3 real monitors 😛

#

2 for work/movies and the main for gaming

sudden creek
#

Nice.

hard leaf
#

more than that is a waste for me

compact zenith
#

My boss who hates game play, had our company install a $3,000 RTX card into his office system. He only uses the system to access the company's websites, sends emails, does website design, low quality I might add as he only uses Frontpage to carry over the HTML code. I asked him why did he have HR install that $3,000 card? He's only reply was, "Because I can"

hard leaf
#

and he is right

sudden creek
#

dear g0d.

#

What a waste.

hard leaf
#

at the end of the day we can advice on what is the best for your budget/uses but the final word is on your wallet

dull flint
#

Someday he'll need it to make the best office presentations

compact zenith
#

Thank you Apex. I thought I was the only sane one lol.

hard leaf
#

if you can... well, why not?

sudden creek
hard leaf
#

thats what free will is

#

if you can and its your money, its ok

compact zenith
#

What if they are a Pepsi person 🤣

sudden creek
sudden creek
compact zenith
#

Lol

hard leaf
#

if he buys a NASA computer for youtube only, well, its his money

sudden creek
#

If any mods are watching please don't hurt me. i am just having some fun with my homies.

hard leaf
#

if its the company money... well.... thats another story

#

like buying the kingpin for the aesthetics xD we advise you against that, but at the end of the day... its your money anyway

#

xD

sudden creek
hard leaf
#

still a waste to our eyes 😛 but if it makes you happy, well good for you 😄

#

btw its an example

sudden creek
#

I know.

hard leaf
#

this is a hobby, and if you dont like the things that you bought, then what's the point of the hobby anyway?

#

😛

compact zenith
#

Apex, you might like this. We had a neighbor who just moved in January. They moved in two years ago, and started growing the worst smelling pot plants. PD could do nothing. Another neighbor put several large fans up shortly after, and was blowing this sticky powder substance. They did this for months, then one day a huge commotion broke out, and end result was the neighbor growing all the pot plants selling and moving out. asked what they did that got them to move. Said he just kept using his fans to blow male pollen. Whatever it is, it angered the grower to move lol.

#

When buying RGB components, so many companies try tricking the buyer into buying the component, calling it RGB addressable. Makes it hard to find sellers with ones that actually can be controlled by motherboard. Why not make it a standard to require all sellers to use a standard when listing, that says RGB Motherboard Addressable? Would make it easier to weed out the garbage when doing a search

grizzled bloom
#

( My college roommate used to grow, that's my source lol)

compact zenith
#

Lol, no wonder they were angry. All this time I thought they used the fans to blow the smell back rofl

grizzled bloom
hard leaf
compact zenith
#

Rofl.

#

I was given one of those plants. Lasted 3 weeks before it died. First my 4 cats kept eating the leafs, then using tap water killed it. Thought only fish had issues with tap water.

grizzled bloom
#

Tap water has chemicals added to make it better for human (and other mammals) consumption

#

Sensitive plants will not like fluoride and chlorine at all

compact zenith
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I can grow corn (that is if I can stop the gophers gnawing the stalks), Tomato's, peas, just about everything. Pot, nope. Brown thumb in that aspect heh. Heck, I turned my old 486 using 6 solonoids, into a 6 zone sprinkler system that I have not been allowed to use in almost 4 years now, due to the drought.

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All of those have been genetically modified to grow better in more conditions and be hardier plants. Pot, not so much.

compact zenith
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I'm waiting for some more of Ravells funny memes.

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My face now hurts from the last one.

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Corn, by me Is the hardest to grow. If even one gopher sees it growing, you'll wake up the next day to a few hundred holes, and half the stalks chewed down. They don't touch the corn at all, just the bottom of the stalks.

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You'd think they would consume the rest once cut down. Nope, they chew the base and move on.

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They are smart too! Caddy Shack caught the essence. Put a hose once into one of the many holes, to have my daughter giggling and finding two, peeking out of other holes they dug.

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Raccoons, they are so smart, it's scary. My cats let them have their food, and they don't bother my family's cats at all. They even went after a vicious dog one night that got into my back yard, and chased it off.

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This was a month ago. Amazon Fresh called me to say the driver couldn't get to my house, so put some food behind my home to keep them away from the driver.

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Oh, the new system I'm building will also have pet door coller control. My family's cats can get in through pet door, but raccoons can't.

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No coller, no unlocking.

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Using similar scan chip like credit cards use.

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I'll post pictures when I'm done.

sudden creek
amber canopy
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What do you guys think of my ram tray mod lol

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compact zenith
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You can't tame raccoons as pets in this state. The laws protecting them are quite strict.
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That ram tray would be awesomer if you could actually hook up all that ram. Looks quite nice

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Why collect all that ram btw?

sudden creek
amber canopy
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Well, binning

sudden creek
# amber canopy

I wish to have a collection that vast for CPUs, Mobo, ram, and gpu soon.

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Well maybe not ram as that might be a bit obnoxious.

amber canopy
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Yea I have a couple cpu trays but neither are full just yet. Haven't gotten to binning CPUs yet

amber canopy
sudden creek
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I am that guy who likes to buy really high speed latest gen ram once so that I can use it for a few years.

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So it might be like a decade before I have that much ram.

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Oh lol

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Well you can always just overclock your memory. You'd be surprised at how far some DRAM ICs can be pushed

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some of my ddr3 for example can do 2400 CL8. For reference, those sticks are rated to do 1333 CL7

sudden creek
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Will be sure to try that with the Trident Z Neo 5s I plan to get.

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2x16gb 6400mhz, cl32-36-36-(I think 100).

amber canopy
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gl

sudden creek
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CL-32-39-39-102

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Those are the timings.

hard leaf
limber dragon
amber canopy
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wanna see my other ram trays lol

sudden creek
hard leaf
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ppl these days have some odd hobbies, i collect dust as example

limber dragon
long geyser
sudden creek
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Royal Sticks for life!!!!

limber dragon
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no, they look disgusting

sudden creek
limber dragon
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and gave to friend because he's big into archage, didnt have enough ram to run 3 clients at once, already had a kit of djr

sudden creek
long geyser
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Royals fit very few builds tbf

sudden creek
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Only flashy builds for the royals.

limber dragon
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and the clear rgb "diffuser" 🤮

sudden creek
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Not now but I've been thinking about getting a facetting machine which case I can take some gems, cut then polish them and then embed it into a pc case for aesthetics.

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Would fit perfectly with the royal sticks.

sudden creek
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Don't dis the Royal sticks.

amber canopy
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It now fits cpus under the ram tray in the same box

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sudden creek
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When are those coming out?

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Probably this year

sudden creek
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I need to finish this build within the next 2 months.

mild jackal
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Or you can just daily 6800c32 on decent MEBD

sudden creek
mild jackal
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ddr5 primary xmp ratings don't mean too much vs ddr4

mild jackal
sudden creek
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What does the G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 6400mhz Cl32-39-39-102 have?

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m

sudden creek
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Got it.

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Because those are the cheapest 6400mhz cl32 kit in MX>

mild jackal
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The motherboard will matter a lot. Get something 2dimm, like a dark

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Or just wait for z790

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Waiting for z790./

mild jackal
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If you're already waiting for a 13900k, might as well

compact zenith
# limber dragon <:mildpanic:597967464927723545>

Ok, what on earth is with these ram collections?!!! I mean sure, if they were NVME, Spindles, or SSD I can understand building a nice library, or if your into a business of building new systems, or used, but ram, far as I know to the beginning of computer time, power goes off, ram goes empty. I just can't wrap around my small brain, ram collections, unless for resale lol.

cerulean wadi
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With how bad 4dimm clocks (ddr5) are quite often, I wish 2dimm mobos were more common.

compact zenith
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OMG, I only made that Z790 name up, and everyone's repeating it now rofl.

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Ram is today's pogs?

limber dragon
compact zenith
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Brb, got some old ram collecting dust. Curious to what it is.

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OCZ PC2 6400

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PNY pc2 5300

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DDR2

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Actually, the PNY has a funny story for it. Had a garage sale years ago. Had the Asus motherboard that the PNY was plugged into on the table for $40. Some guy offers my wife $30 if she can prove it works, so calls me on her cell to ask me to come outside and show the guy it works. Had an HP case with power supply I used for old mothetherboard testing purposes. When I went to get it, came back, the guy and the motherboard was gone. He took out the ram and CPU and left both on the table. My neighbors security camera caught the guys vehicle and plates so called the cops who saw the footage, took a report, and I totally forgot about it.

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Year and a half lator from that incident, get a call from ASUS. The idiot theif not only sent it in for warranty repairs, which obviously was long expired, he went all Karen on them, and when they looked up the serial number, saw it registered to me and gave me a call. They in turn called the PD in Arizona, where the board was shipped from and thief was arrested. Don't know what happened after, I never did get that Asus board back.

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Had to toss the CPU sadly. Pins were crushed and torn.

dull flint
compact zenith
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Aorus Master Z790. That's what I said the next Gigabyte motherboard for 13th gen would most likely be called.

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there's a z690 version with that exact name though

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there's gonna be a z790 version lol, that's almost a guarantee terismirk

hard leaf
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in fact the master is like a recurrent series

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gigglebyte will release like 20 z790s

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master, ax, elite, master elite, master master elite

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etc etc etc

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dull flint
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aorus master, elite, pro, vision d, vision g, aorus xtreme, tachyon, ds3h, s2h,

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AX versions of all of these

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yeah about 20 KekW

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dull flint
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aorus ultra itx, UD, aero g/d (Vision g/d), gaming x

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UD AC

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Yeah z690 alone there's somewhere in the ballpark of 20

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b660 gaming, d2h, POWER kanchouyoshhh

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h610i, h610m, h610mh

hard leaf
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that's cheating bruh, those are b660s

dull flint
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ya but I often wonder how they make a net gain with so many sku's

hard leaf
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

compact zenith
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I know, it's just going by past names I figured obviously next will be Z790, and kept seeing it talked about ever since 😂

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Got one more funny computer story. My brother who used to own his own computer company, before finding out people were willing to hire him for 150k with his networking skills, used to rent spaces at the big computer shows. He rented 6 stalls at the Stonybrook show one year, and his now ex, caused no end of hell this one year. Knew nothing of systems and never went to shows except one time, her last at that. My brother and his staff were juggling between system builds and selling parts to people wanting to buy and leave without waiting. It was Xmas type heavy heavy busy. 8 staff and just way to many customers. In middle of the rush, the POS system just stopped working. One register at a time. Each register went down the moment a credit card was run during the most busy time of the show. It was while he was trying to get the registers back up, that his wife, now ex, let's him know she is there, by constantly trying to shove $60 in his face. He was about to tell her he'll talk later, when it struck him, why is she there, and what's with the $60? She then tells him she made her first sale, all smiles, telling him she sold an empty case. I hearing this can't figure out how she could have thought the case was empty, when it had 10 cables running from it. She sold a $8,000 point of sale system, for $60. My brother never saw it again.

scenic solar
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Does anyone know what are some safe 24/7 voltages for RAM: vdd, vddq & vdd2

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(ddr5)

hard leaf
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If you are talking about ram ocing, thats a thing you need to test yourself