cpus-mobo-and-memory

[rigid crag]

should i walk to go get compressed air

i can be back in 20-30 mins?

[main pulsar]

for now you can just keep troubleshooting

[rigid crag]

ok yeah cool

so whats next?

ill boot it with one ram stick

[main pulsar]

try it with a single stick

yeah

[rigid crag]

ok

[main pulsar]

you should also check the psu cables going into the board

mainly the 8 pin cpu

i would pull it out and reseat that

[rigid crag]

ok the pc sounds better now

that the ram is in

[main pulsar]

interesting

[rigid crag]

cpu light still on

also i dont exactly know where the psu cables are

can you point it out to me

[main pulsar]

top left of the board

[rigid crag]

i see it

[main pulsar]

big cable

has a clip on it

they can be pretty hard to plug in properly, so sometimes people dont do it right and they wiggle lose over time

[rigid crag]

its hard to pull out

[main pulsar]

yeah

[rigid crag]

😭

[main pulsar]

make sure you are pushing on the clip

[rigid crag]

on top of it right

[rigid crag]

yeah its that one

[main pulsar]

yeah gotta squeeze it

[rigid crag]

dumb idea

pliers

could they work

[main pulsar]

yeah

try rocking it back and forth as you pull

if its this hard to pull out, you would think its plugged in fine, but they have that stupid split down the middle of the connector, so sometimes one or the other is misaligned

[rigid crag]

imma take the top fan out

it would make this loads easieer

got it ok

out

ffs that was hard

now plug it back?

[main pulsar]

yeah

make sure its lined up properly

make sure you hear/feel it click in

[rigid crag]

mk

i heard a little click

i think thats good

[main pulsar]

take a picture and make sure the plugs are flush with each other

[rigid crag]

thats good?

[main pulsar]

you cant see anything lol

need to see the side of the connector

[rigid crag]

i know i tried but it looks flush to me

uhh

wdym side like the left / right?

[main pulsar]

you dont have to take a pic, just make sure its in

[rigid crag]

it is

so try it with one stick of ram

or put everything back

?

[main pulsar]

try a different stick of ram

same slot

[rigid crag]

keep gpu out?

[main pulsar]

always

gpu and cmos battery always stay out

[rigid crag]

ok

cpu light still on

[main pulsar]

damn 😔

[rigid crag]

what else can I do??

is my cpu dead

[main pulsar]

one fun thing you can do is totally rip apart your system, clean it all up

reassemble

[rigid crag]

would it rlly do all rhat

that

[main pulsar]

its time consuming, but it often surprisingly works

[rigid crag]

is there anything i can do rn?

[main pulsar]

like i cant troubleshoot the lose screw thats stuck behind the motherboard, right?

[rigid crag]

true

[main pulsar]

or the static from a pile of dust

doing a total system disassembly and clean helps to remove those variables

[main pulsar]

not really, at this point something is causing the system to fail post

it could be the board or the cpu

probably not the mem

now go get that compressed air

oh you could also try disconnecting any HDDs

just unplug the sata cables

[rigid crag]

i did unplug all the display cables

wait whats hdd

i forget

[main pulsar]

hard drive

if you have one

[rigid crag]

would that have a chance of working

i mean the cpu light means its not detecting a cpu

[main pulsar]

haha

thats what you would think

[rigid crag]

💀

elaborate

[main pulsar]

those indicator lights are close to meaningless, and are really only good for checking changes in the state of the system

the power on self test is extremely surface level

anyway im going now bc its a saturday afternoon and todays hangover has subsided

so uh

gl ig

[grizzled bloom]

I've seen a CPU light for a misaligned ram stick lol

[rigid crag]

dawg 💀💀

also they didnt have can air

so my brother said he’ll take a look when hes home

ill keep you guys posted tysm for your help

[charred warren]

how do i unlock my 11400? i have xmp set to 3600 but the ram is only running at 2666 too

[cerulean wadi]

Probably your mobo. Also Recheck that xmp was set then save bios settings when exiting/rebooting.

[charred warren]

i jus did it and it didn’t do anything

[wicked gorge]

Anyone good with mini pc cpu's... I know nothing about what's better haha. And looking to acquire one for light games, possibly a little 3d modeling and mostly streaming.

[burnt spear]

What mobo do you have

[charred warren]

asus prime b560

[burnt spear]

Xmp should work

Try updating bios

[charred warren]

how do i update lol

i completely forgot

[burnt spear]

Try googling it, or if you go to the website to download the bios version fun it should have instructions

Im at work

[main pulsar]

did you ask anyone? i checked my local walmart and they had em in stock

checked online of course

[compact zenith]

Almost done with the Aorus Z690 build. Only complaint I have about this model, the manual was horribly written.
I would definitely not recommend this MB for an inexperienced builder. Way to many issues with the manual that I can see someone new making costly mistakes. The glue pads for the NVMEs, very very cheap. I highly recommend replacing them with something stronger. Especially if the NVME being used is prone to a lot of heat.

NVME screw bags mislabeled. Had I used the ones numbered, would have stripped the supports.

Tbh, don't even know yet what these screws were for lol.

[cerulean wadi]

Oh wow , this google thing is amazing. Ironically m2 screws seem to be threaded m2*4.

[compact zenith]

My first time installing NVME, the screw sets threw me off. The Philips screws I had no clue were actually threaded for a tiny screw.

[dull flint]

Hahaha
https://youtu.be/OX79nEdyzrc

His take on AMD vs. Intel is perfect

And it's so true

[compact zenith]

Friend of mine in the UK, got some off brand nvme that was so poorly made, had he plugged it in, the capacitor hanging off the edge would have grounded out and fried his mb.

I used to despise AMD for years, like Tandy and Apple, then this year was considering going AMD, to find their prices higher than Intel? When did this happen?

[cursive epoch]

Recently

[compact zenith]

My first I7, was first release I got from employee discount program for $75. Was told before the release, it was an 8 core processor. Eventually I found out it wasnt, but was still good so got a newer version that was 8 core some years lator. It was watching intel add one or two more cores every few years while AMD kept doubling theirs, that I almost got one last week. Figured why not try a 16 core system, instead of buying another Intel with most likely another two cores, then saw the AMD price, which then opened my eyes to the latest I9 that was 16 cores, at almost half the price, and normally I go with I7, but couldn't resist the price of the I9, the Z690 Aorus Master on sale too, and the two free 2tb NVME with 5000mbls read/4000 write with the DDR5 ram.

[cursive epoch]

Core count above 8 doesn't benefit you in games at all, but unless you do workstation stuff- yeah, more is better

[compact zenith]

One thing I been wondering about recently, mostly because I always use graphics cards for my games, the graphics built into let's say the I9, can it even compare to an RTX 2060 card?

[burnt spear]

No

Not even semi close

The best desktop igpu is in the 5700g, which is still worse than a 1050

The best igpu is a laptop igpu, in the 6900hs, which is similar to a 1050 ti/1650 mobile

[compact zenith]

Explains why I never came across a desktop motherboard that has built in RTX.

[burnt spear]

I can't tell if that's a joke or not

[long geyser]

I mean Intel has been better priced then AMD for a while now for exception of 12c+ (and with release of ALD its more like CPUs >16c)

10400/10700/10850 without PL on b560 was better priced then AMD, 11400/11700 on b560 was better priced then AMD, and now ALD

[dull flint]

They have every opportunity to make it better priced than amd again too, now that z4 is ahead of it

Putting aside the fact that DDR4 will make MTL cheaper already

[grizzled bloom]

Intel shareholders are pissed and pressuring them to increase profit margins so a price reduction vs last gen is unlikely

[cursive epoch]

price is probably gonna match amd

but even then it's not that big of a problem imo

[grizzled bloom]

They'll gauge prices based on how their internal testing fares against competing chips. Remember how 11th gen got discounted from MSRP like a month after launch? Lol

[cursive epoch]

oof

[compact zenith]

If cryptocurrency takes another dive, sending more jumping ship to recoup losses, selling on Ebay, they may have to lower prices if the market is suddenly flooded with all those GPUs and CPUs. I'm not sure what exactly goes into mining equipment, other than several top of the line graphics cards and hard drives. Come to think of it, there was talk about mining utilizing hard drives, so I gather NVMEs would be sought out more? I seen on Newegg and Amazon, these sheetmetal mining rigs at $16,000. Can't for the life of me see anyone making their money back on that high priced system.

[cursive epoch]

Not really

Storage mining isn't very popular to be a problem for used storage market

Mining can be done with any gpus, but it's pretty popular with the likes of 1660 super and rx 580

High end gpus aren't all that popular for mining due to their high power consumption

[compact zenith]

I gather the 12gb RTX are popular for mining, since they are being pumped out by manufacturers without RGB like crazy

[grizzled bloom]

It's the opposite actually. The 3080 12gb has LHR v3 and is still currently hash rate limited.

And the reason the GPUs are getting so cheap is because the secondhand market is flooded.

CPU mining is super impractical too except for certain cases

[compact zenith]

The RGB versions, the few being made are still up there in price

[grizzled bloom]

Oh and those 16k cost mining rigs are delusional, money laundering, or scamming on other platforms. You can make a mining rig with everything you need except GPUs for under $200 even before the crash.

[cursive epoch]

^

[compact zenith]

Why is it motherboards don't come with the speaker anymore?

[vast meadow]

They haven't for a while a bit pointless just for debugging usually done other ways now

[grizzled bloom]

You can get one for 58 cents

Most people just use the debug LEDs now

[compact zenith]

Doesn't come with a DVD either, which prevents wifi working as Windows install DVD doesn't come with drivers lol

[vast meadow]

Windows usually auto picks up drivers

And why are you bothering with a dvd?

[cursive epoch]

usb is a thing

:p

just use another pc to download drivers onto a usb drive

[compact zenith]

Because that's how the windows license came. I prefer installing off an NVME, but really didn't want to chance messing up my key on first boot.

The bios showed 3 tabs for the new M2

M2, SATA, forgot the third lol

[cursive epoch]

you can just enter the key on the box

[vast meadow]

You can't install it off of the nvme, you install it off of the usb or dvd onto the nvme/sata drive

[rich willow]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gBbTwP/asrock-z590-steel-legend-wifi-6e-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z590-steel-legend-wifi-6e do you guys think this is worth it to this day?

[cursive epoch]

not really, no

[vast meadow]

Nope, you're limited to 10th gen on z590, for 12th and 13th gen (coming v soon) you will want h610 (would only get on super budget) b660, h670 or z690 then there will be 700 series motherboards coming out with 13th gen too

[rich willow]

I already got a 10600k , that’s why I wanted to get it

If it isn’t a good mobo, can you recommend me wit a better mobo pls

[grizzled bloom]

You can actually. You create an 8gb partition at the end of the drive and create the installer to that. Ofc this requires a PC with an installed OS.

[vast meadow]

Just use your current motherboard

Interesting

[rich willow]

I sent it back, I’m trying to find a good mobo for gaming and editing that’s why I’m asking

[vast meadow]

Ah okay, you need wifi? Any specific features you want?

[rich willow]

I have a Wi-Fi card and Bluetooth card on me

[rigid crag]

nearest walmart is jersey lol

also yeah i think my best bet atp is to try to clean to pc

[rich willow]

Yeah I don’t know much about motherboard features besides overclocking and base clocking, is it alright if you could explain the features available in a motherboard

[vast meadow]

Basically as long as you have the io and expandability you want in terms of pcie/sata/nvme slots and enough power delivery for your cpu there's not much else

[vast meadow]

If you dont wanna oc I'd get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dCbTwP/gigabyte-b560m-aorus-pro-ax-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-b560m-aorus-pro-ax
If you do
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V3t9TW/gigabyte-z590-ud-atx-lga1200-motherboard-z590-ud

[compact zenith]

My image transfer idea worked, without screwing my older server.
•Build system and install the builders copy of Windows pro with new key. Update and verify the new build has in fact registered with your Microsoft account. Make sure to have this key available.
• Install second NVME that will be used for booting new system, with an image of older server. Boot into this, then change out the keys under system. Reboot and new key info will now reflect without canceling out older machine still in use.

I did this because to have to reinstall every program that is licensed up to 6 machines, configure and make or copy data bases would take me over a week to do. Copying the image, cut all that, and what drivers were missing, it got off the other drive already updated. Now should the older NVME fail to boot, got the second slower one to boot up, and even do a clean virus scan if I keep it offline to prevent infection.

[limber dragon]

sounds like a lot of work for what should just be a new drive install with image redeployment

[compact zenith]

Not a lot at all. I was worried when I transfered an image of my server to the new one, that the key might mess with the systems license, seeing it running on two machines. Windows gave me time I guess to swap it out, without suspending the machines license it came from.

My new glass case came today. Did Thermaltake do away with their own type of RGB? I don't see any mention of it on box or documentation it came with.

[amber canopy]

[sour estuary]

best offer 1.00

[grizzled bloom]

But then you'll still be paying $40 for shipping and they'll probably just send it in an envelope for $5 to pocket the rest

[dull flint]

Ah yes ebay japan

[compact zenith]

I'll risk eBay more than a site like Alibaba.

[cerulean wadi]

Difference been risk and paying $40+ for a dang io shield.

[compact zenith]

I'm noticing that fresh OS installs to an NVME like rocket, tend to blue screen, yet to a normal SSD, never had an issue

Why not just buy a new shield from manufacturer?

[cerulean wadi]

Realize how old X99 is, plus it's assrock

[scenic solar]

It's easier to 3d print it

[compact zenith]

That or buy a plastic sheet and make one yourself, or if you know anyone that takes metal class, can make one from sheet metal.

[scenic solar]

Yeah, it'll cost basically nothing tho

[midnight pollen]

3d print it

[agile jolt]

With new AM5 cpus on the way, yall think it's worth upgrading my 5600? Assuming some AM4 cpus get a price drop

I'm at 1440p, If that matters to the equation

[cursive epoch]

nah

i doubt it's worth it

[agile jolt]

Ah

Kinda wish I got the 5600x when I could've

But eh

[cursive epoch]

identical cpu lol

you can just run pbo and get the same perf

[agile jolt]

Fair nuff

Might buy another 5600, wanna build my Ma a better pc for her birthday

Maybe like

A 5700g? With an IGPU

[vast meadow]

Nah if they don't wanna game just build like an i5 12400/12500 build

[agile jolt]

Do those have integrated graphics?

[burnt spear]

yes

[agile jolt]

Ah

If I was good with pc building I'd make her one of those SFF pcs

But eh

A 5600g is $150

Gotta actually wait for her bday tho

[amber canopy]

still better than your pc

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-25720883

[cerulean wadi]

Still assrock

[amber canopy]

i have an assrock x99 board 😔

i also have an assus x99 board

[scenic solar]

em ass ai

[signal kite]

Why are the intel cpus so less inefficient than the ryzens and why wouldn’t someone always opt for comparable performance at much less power putting intel out of business?

[cursive epoch]

It's all to do with different architectures and process nodes

But Intel at the moment isn't inferior all that much in power efficiency, it's just that you're allowed to push the intel cpus harder, thus consuming more power.

And besides, value matters more than power efficiency, especially much more so for desktops

Intel has been offering great value lately, and their lower end skus aren't very hungry at all too

Like 12400 for example, same perf as 5600x but not much more power is required to run the Intel that fast

And just to add, Intel would never go out business because they for one, has the ability to make the cpus on their own. That's combined with big companies like Dell, HP, and many more OEMs always buying up the newest Intel cpus

They would never actually go out business, and I wouldn't want AMD to have a monopoly either. It's bad, same goes for when Intel dominated AMD in cpu market. AMD's fall made them lazy, and I'm sure AMD would do the same if Intel were to fall

After all, they're big companies. Not your friend

Just get whatever's the best value for your area, use case and budget. There's no need to stick with one company over the other, they all exist to make profit from selling products

[compact zenith]

Not sure what they would be called, but was wondering if there are either better sync cables or some kind of cable lock so the headers don't separate. Sync cables that came with both the Aura Master motherboard and the power supply are crap. They were made with no spring brushes, those are the pins on a normal header that lock tightly into the header. What they supply are completely loose and can fall off. I almost killed my older Z390 that has the same issue that Gigabyte never addressed in newer models. A normal header locks in snugly, yet these cables slide off the header and shorted my older system once, and was lucky no lasting damage.

[hard leaf]

you can always hot glue those to the header

easier

onle lil blob can do the job just fine

[digital kernel]

am4 motherboard list is broken

[long geyser]

F. That gonna piss lot of people off

[digital kernel]

Anyone have a backup?

[long geyser]

Check mirror link?

[grizzled bloom]

@mild jackal That's your pin, broken link

[compact zenith]

Please tell me that's sarcasm??? You would actually consider using a blob of hot glue, on a brand new $350 motherboard? Think that might void the warranty.
That reminds me. Once I finish my rebuilds, going to send one of my older Z390 Aorus masters in for warranty work. One of the NVME posts was never soldered in. Went to take the tiny screw from it to use on a smaller NVME, and was surprised at how loose it was. Kept turning light it wasn't tightened so when I lifted the driver, the post was sticking to the magnetic head.

[hard leaf]

ill consider it if im not in the mood for an rma, a blob is easier and almost harmless if doing right... of course if the loose cable bothers you so much

[limber dragon]

you do realize its out of warranty right? 3 year warranty on a 4 year old mobo

[grizzled bloom]

Just don't glue over SMDs and it'll be fine even when you need to remove it

[hard leaf]

exactly

is easy to remove as well if make it right

just a tiny blob

[compact zenith]

The z390 was purchased March 2021, so it's not out of warranty 🙂

[compact zenith]

I got a safer idea. Shrink tubing.

[hard leaf]

yeah that could work as well

see

easy solutions

you just need a little imagination

[grizzled bloom]

If you can get it to grip the PCB that'll work

[limber dragon]

well gl getting it approved, they'll most likely say no unless you provide an invoice with the SN on it

[grizzled bloom]

Idk about Gigabyte but I got my MSI X470 warranty approved no questions asked. It probably helped that I registered it.

[hard leaf]

still the blob is way easier 😛

and will be easier to remove as well, the shrinked tube... idk

you need to cut that one

with a blade...

too risky for my shaky hand

[compact zenith]

Easy peezy. Heat one end a little so one side is snug, then move over header and apply some heat with shield to protect board. It will shrink and be quite tight.

[limber dragon]

msi's is good, gigabyte is completely hit or miss, asus is garbage

[grizzled bloom]

Noted

[limber dragon]

asrock.... better off getting a different board altogether

[hard leaf]

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah I've never wanted an assrock product ever

[hard leaf]

my sis is happy with her bazzooka mobo

or mortar?\

the b660m

😛

1 month no problems so far

[limber dragon]

I have an msi x470 that I warrantied (way back when) for a bad ethernet jack, it came back with flux still on the board

[hard leaf]

in fact my mobo for my 13th gen will be an msi as well

maybe a tomahawk or a carbon

or edge

[grizzled bloom]

You've named almost all the model names now lol

[compact zenith]

ASUS lost me as a customer after their Nexus tablet fiasco. Liked the Aorus boards and just upgrade as they get too old. Only exception was their Rog Rapture Router. Seems to be the only one that my kids don't crash downloading.

[hard leaf]

yeah msi have some weird names xD

forgot the torpedo

hahahaha

[grizzled bloom]

Asus routers are a sussy choice

I think they put more into how they look on the outside and skimp hard on internals and interface

[hard leaf]

yeah asus is kinda bonkers... all flashy but cheap inside

unless...you know.... strix

[compact zenith]

Netgear and Linksys, every time my kids downloaded a 1.5gb show or movie, the routers would lock up and require rebooting.

[grizzled bloom]

For a budget choice I'd usually go for an Archer

[compact zenith]

Archer won't be around to next season 😉

[grizzled bloom]

I've had 3, no issues and 2 are still in service

Ooh is there really going to be another season?

It's been a while now

[compact zenith]

Good point. Going to check.

[grizzled bloom]

For a cartoon that series was surprisingly realistic, complete with tinnitus

[dull flint]

• Cries in asus routers *

[compact zenith]

Season 14 is up in the air.

[frosty depot]

I ate some cheese a few days ago. I've been producing assrocks for a couple days now.

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-blonde-child-gif-5376830

[limber dragon]

Better than producing thermal paste

[frosty depot]

Nah man, this hurts my guts immensely. xD

[sudden creek]

Do you guys think a I9-13900KS will perform better than the new Ryzen 7950x chips?

[compact zenith]

Found out my neighbor stole the old parts to build a system, using an old boot drive. Explains why my son's license kept suspending. Thief is using my internet at night!! Would never have found out had I not just built that new Aorus Z690 with new windows license, and saw the Asus P6x58d being listed as active. System to old for GPS trace so figure I copy my routers settings and tether to my phone and see if checking signal strength will lead me to home of stolen equipment. It boggles my mind not just when the parts got stolen, but how they defeated both alarm system and cameras. Well, not sure they defeated cameras, been checking all footage going back two months so far, got several 14tb drives with several years of data to still check. Garage it was stolen from, the 128gb microsd cards missing from camera.

[compact zenith]

I'm building my I9 this weekend, so might have an answer for you by Sunday.

Brb, getting specks.

Intel Core i9-12900KS - Core i9 12th Gen Alder Lake 16-Core (8P+8E) 3.4 GHz LGA 1700 150W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071512900KS, Gigabyte AORUS Master Z690 , Fury NVME 2tb 7300mbls read/7100mbps write, 64gb DDR 5 ram, RTX 2060 12gb ram.

[sudden creek]

Nice.

What are you cooling it with?

[compact zenith]

Im using a cheap RGB cooler for now. I want to see what room I have with the Thermaltake full tower glass case. After I swap out my own fans, I really don't like Thermaltakes RGB fans that came with case.

[sudden creek]

Are you talking about the tower 900?

[compact zenith]

I can't go with water coolers sadly. I live next to 4 train tracks and airport, and the vibrations have caused the tubes to pop off and almost kill my system I have now.

Be right back getting specs

[sudden creek]

Seriously?

Vibrations can cause that much damage?

[compact zenith]

https://www.newegg.com/black-thermaltake-view-71-tempered-glass-rgb-edition-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811133359?item=N82E16811133359

[sudden creek]

That case.

[vast meadow]

impossible to tell also if they do a ks version it wont be out for ages

[sudden creek]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Thermaltake-CA-1H1-00F1WN-00-Gabinete-Cristal-Templado/dp/B01N1GP2GZ/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=10L1HU007EDX5&keywords=thermaltake%2Btower%2B900&qid=1662515870&sprefix=thermaltake%2Btower%2B900%2Caps%2C148&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2&th=1

this is the one I am planning on getting.

[sudden creek]

Got it, will just wait and get the K variant then.

[vast meadow]

but the 13900k will be a lot cheaper platform wise according to leaks

[sudden creek]

Interesting.

[compact zenith]

Vibrations cause plumbing damage every few years. I just replaced entire water lines last year. Was a $12,000 job too

[sudden creek]

Holy $#!T.

[compact zenith]

Replaced cast iron with copper

[sudden creek]

That's a lot.

Oh wait. I just realized you aren't talking about the PC.

[compact zenith]

Caltrain footing the bill thinks so too lol.

[sudden creek]

I thought you said $12,000 to replace the water cooling parts for your pc.

Still a lot though.

[compact zenith]

No, the homes plumbing. I have to clean and reseat the CPUs every year, tighten cables, which is why I asked yesterday, about cable locks. Those cheap sync cables fall right off the motherboard headers.

[sudden creek]

oooof.

Question, have you used Liquid Metal compound before?

Wondering how risky it is to use.

[compact zenith]

Because of vibrations, the fans heat sink gets dust in between the CPU and cooler, so clean them once a year. Old system the dirt built up for 5 years and baked onto the CPU. CPU was not easy to clean either, especially with old bendable pin type it was.

[sudden creek]

Ouch.

Different issue but my old laptop which I've reused as a Logs monitor I had let it collect dust, fur, etc you name it for like 3 years and the inside was a nightmare to clean and a worser sight to behold.

[compact zenith]

Cooler Master High Performance Thermal Paste - (HTK-002-U1) https://a.co/d/bwBTMBC

I only use this brand and type. It doesn't harden and ball up like other types I used in last.

[vast meadow]

you should grab some arctic mx4 or mx5 instead that stuff is pretty outdated

when youre next getting it that is

[sudden creek]

Pato, have you ever used Liquid Metal?

Trying to figure out how risky it is to use.

[vast meadow]

nope i am a value person

its pretty dangerous if its not very careful

[sudden creek]

I am pretty new to picking out pastes so I've been wondering which paste to get and I heard Liquid Metal works best but can be risky to use.

[vast meadow]

yeah, for most getting mx4 or mx5 is the best shot

[sudden creek]

Are those non-conductive?

[vast meadow]

yes ofc

[compact zenith]

You definitely don't want to try testing other methods. That stuff melts and gets in the CPU socket, the cost to clean it you might as well buy a new motherboard.

[sudden creek]

Oh yea, little off subject but I saw and talked to the owner of a build a couple days ago who had a Custom Cooled I9-12900KS and damn that build was nice. Was wondering how he kept it cool and apparently he did Direct Die cooling + Liquid Metal.

[vast meadow]

that not what happens

[sudden creek]

Are you talking about Liquid Metal?

[compact zenith]

I assumed liquid metal was some kind of thermal paste.

[vast meadow]

its similar

its literally a metal in liquid form at anything above about 10c

so its conductive

but it will not leak into the cpu socket

it is a lot more viscous but ye

[sudden creek]

What's the performance difference between say a really good thermal paste vs liquid metal?

Wondering if it'd even be worth attempting considering the risks that come with LM.

[vast meadow]

it honestly depends on the application but sometimes up to 15c

it really depends though

[sudden creek]

For me my application is roughly 40% gaming, 20% video editing/recording, 10% marketting work, 30% 3D modelling.

[vast meadow]

when i mean it depends i mean like depends on the cooler and ccpu

[sudden creek]

Oh.

[compact zenith]

8 years ago, had what I thought was a disaster, turn very damned lucky. Was when I worked for geeksquad and client brought in a new build that shut down immediately when powering on. Way to much thermal paste, half seeped into socket. No clue what he used, but it was lucky regardless. It peeled up like a colorform. Those old plastic decal type toys from years ago.

[sudden creek]

Dear g0d....

[hard leaf]

👀

[compact zenith]

I asked him what he used. He couldn't tell me, only that he bought it from Home Depot.

[sudden creek]

https://tenor.com/view/wtfh-did-i-witness-bunny-gif-18373649

[compact zenith]

I know they sell computer items, but thermal paste?

[sudden creek]

My expression when I pictured that mess.

[sudden creek]

News to me, that's for sure.

[compact zenith]

No damage. Took me like two hours to put back together and actually ran.

[sudden creek]

Seriously?

That's surprising.

[compact zenith]

I don't work for them anymore. Got angry when they tried charging a kid for virus removal on a new laptop, that the store infected in the first place.

[sudden creek]

Seriously?!

That's fkin rediculous.

[compact zenith]

Don't take my word for it. Just next time your at a BestBuy store, don't accept a free virus scan, that's most likely when you get a real virus infection. Watch when they scan someone's system, they will then plug that USB right into the next system. So if that PC is infected, yours will be too once they run the scan.

[sudden creek]

Got it.

Thanks for the heads up.

[compact zenith]

Which was what happened to that kid. I did a full format install off of DVD, and got hell for it for charging her zero, when my boss was the one who infected it after she already said no for the free scan and garbage removal.

Np Apex.

Don't know how people are now, but back then, people paid $300 for virus removal because computers scared them. Portable drive and image backup, all someone needs.

[sudden creek]

G0d, I hate people who don't clean up after their own mistakes let alone make profit off of it. I like money and all but that's just too far.

[compact zenith]

I used to manage a RadioShack, they were heavy cutthroat compared to BestBuy.

[sudden creek]

Nowadays I use MalwareBytes to clean up viruses assuming I had any that is.

[sudden creek]

I was surprised to learn RadioShack still existed in Mexico.

[compact zenith]

I use trend, which is paid up to 2032

[sudden creek]

never heard of trend.

[compact zenith]

They exist today, mail order only.

I like Trend, because it was not just good, it didn't lag my system during pvp game play. Those lag spikes some cause, can result in whether you live or die in an MMORPG.

[vast meadow]

probably caulk lol

[sudden creek]

Got it.

[compact zenith]

Wouldn't surprise me. Heck, that rubberness of the material could possibly be lol 😂
.

Some customers went all Karen on me, because they paid $150 for virus software install, and claimed it was my fault their system for infected. They couldn't comprehend the fact they downloaded things brand new, which meant their antivirus didn't have the definitions made yet, as infections were new, but still my fault lol.

Worst worst customer experience ever, was when I was a teenager working for RadioShack and told to do a PC install at some woman's home. No cell phones back then. 70 year old lady in wheelchair with hormone problems, locked me in her apartment. Now why couldn't that have been a super model???!!!

My NVMEs coming today!!!!! Maybe I get to build my I9 today!!!!

Bbl

[sudden creek]

Lmaos.

[compact zenith]

Back for a moment. Ever see those old hillbilly cartoons where the woman yells "A Man!!!!!" It was so much worse than that. 70+ year old in a wheelchair, could drive that thing like race car! Door was like 7 or 8 locks, and the stuff she said makes my skin crawel to this very day. Grabbed the phone and blocked the door to call 911, which she disconnected but got through and they made her open the door. I was the least bit surprised to hear I was not the first she tried locking in her place. Sears, PCRichard & Son, all had her on a blacklist of never send anyone to her home. None of the past ones would press charges, and I can understand why. Who the heck wants to have to go to court and say a 70 year old woman bested you? Back then to say so you'd be disgraced. My co worker, he was a nutty as the woman was, and said he'd volunteer to go there free!!! When my district manager got word of that, he made me give the guy a ton of work so he couldn't volunteer 😂. This proves Walmart isn't the only crazy magnet.

Bbl

Oh, forget NSFC, they need NSFA!

[grand burrow]

Want a CPU to pair with my 3080, AM4 Socket, what should I be looking at?

[vast meadow]

5600x + but I'd recommend 5700x +

[compact zenith]

My NVMEs finally came, or more like it I ran after the UPS lol, after they made a change in their route which would have made me have to wait a few more hours. Moment he got the box, I was in shock. So was the UPS driver. Told me to look in the box and refuse it if anything was missing. Shockingly nothing was. Normally drivers don't let you look in a sealed box. This wasn't sealed at all! No tape, no packaging material, just top and bottom flaps folded to hold the lids closed, and box was falling apart. How nothing was lost, is shocking.

Been shipping with UPS since 1970s, never in my life have I had a shipper, let alone Newegg, ship an order out like this.

[long geyser]

I mean was it NE or thirdmarket seller using NE?

[compact zenith]

NewEgg. This was shipped from their warehouse in GA. It was supposed to be here last week, but something went wrong, so it didn't come with rest of shipment

I'll show side of box once I get my personal info off it.

I'd be building this right now if it wasn't for the 100° heatwave we're having.

PGE gave warning of grid being taxed so switched over to solar battery power lights. Have 3 air conditioners running to cool the whole house. Until I get a replacement sinwave power inverter, can't run the ACs off the grid.

Normally, flip of a switch changes over to the solar system. But stuck with only being able to power the lights for now

And yes, my new build will be used to control that system soon enough.

[compact zenith]

One more funny story. When I first built the Z97 gaming systems, ordered several 3TB Seagates from Newegg. Each one shipped in its own box, with this reinforced tape that you just couldn't tear. Couldn't find my box cutter, so brought two boxes into the bathroom to use one of my razor blades, the old double edge type. Resting both boxes on the open lid, I start cutting the top of one box, then move to cut open the second, when suddenly there is a big splash. I move the boxes onto the cover, which was when I realized, the seat cut into the bottom of one box, to look down and see a Seagate drive now under water. I stared dumbly in shock. Not willing to believe how much money I just wasted. As luck would have it, I didn't waste my money. The bag the drive was in, wasn't a bag, but a completely shrink wrapped hard drive. Got it out, and listened to my kids and wife tell me, that hard drive better not be going in any of their new computers. That night at dinner, which I cooked, made a lot of jokes over the incident, including saying as they all ate half of what I made already, jokes like: Was I supposed to wash my hands? Etc etc.

[sudden creek]

Lmao.

[sudden creek]

If I used 1 pump instead of 2 for my next PC, what would be the best way to transfer the coolant between a RTX 4090 and I9-13900K? CPU or GPU first? Please ping me when responding and I'd appreciate the help.

[long geyser]

Hard to say if there will be a good enough difference to matter. Loop order hasnt really been tested on >600w cards (for worst case scenario of 800w 4090 on liquid). Tho for a ~200w CPU and a ~500w GPU having the loop order be CPU to GPU increases GPU temps by like 0.5C and doing GPU to CPU increases CPU temps by like 2C. Most of the factors to consider are: Heat input to loop (CPU+GPU wattage at time of testing), heat output of loop (total rad surface area + amount of air moving through rads), and position of rads in loop order (mostly if inbetween CPU/GPU).

IMO it prolly wont matter enough to worry about, but idk what a 4090 will be like so cant say for sure.

[grizzled bloom]

Put a rad between the CPU and GPU. Dual rad dual pump loop.

[compact zenith]

Got a question that I'm a bit puzzled about. I for years, clean circuit boards in a heated alcohol bath, mainly using denatured alcohol. I'm wondering if motherboards can be cleaned the same way as I am going through some motherboards boards I was given , and a few are heavily coated with what looks like cigarette tar. Trying to use a swab on these, there is a huge risk of snapping off a surface mount and can't ever recall when I worked for a military contractor, ever seeing an actual motherboard soaked in one of these vats, only back boards used for smart batteries .

[vast meadow]

I don't see why not as long as you let it dry fully before putting the battery in or putting anything in it

[hard leaf]

imagine a bath on 90% alcohol

damn

sweet

cigarette tar is very hard to remove D: once i saw my sis with some of those aromatic candles near the pc and i was like, wth, dont! the pc is sucking all that smoke

poor pcs, had to endure terrible users

[vast meadow]

I'm sure candles are fine as long as it's not in extremely close proximity to the pc

[hard leaf]

at least those dont smell like nicotine on the pcbs

who knows, ill clean that pc in january at least, so far she is very happy with her pc

but the sight of that aromatic candle near the frontal fans is disturbing anyway :S

[grand burrow]

Thanks

[grand burrow]

How is the price the same But the performance so different?

[cursive epoch]

Sales

Different cpu class

[cerulean wadi]

6 core vs 8core, and rarely similar price. Commonly $150-160 vs $200ish.

[sudden creek]

What thermal paste do you guys recommend?

I am finishing up my build list and wasn't sure which paste is considered best nowadays.

[cerulean wadi]

MX2 & MX4 is fine. There's various other good choices.

[grand burrow]

On Newegg I saw both for $249

[grand burrow]

^

Or…not

Maybe

Idk

Maybe I was seeing things

[cerulean wadi]

Probably. Newegg also recently had the 5600 nonX for $100. -- 200mhz under 5600X.

[grand burrow]

Could you dumb it down a little more?

[burnt spear]

5600 is basically a cheaper 5600x

[grand burrow]

Is that Ryzen 5

[burnt spear]

They have very similar performance, within a couple %

Yes

[grand burrow]

Ok awesome! Thanks for the help everyone!

[compact zenith]

Anything that burns, whether incense, candle, weed, cigarette, produces a tar. My first wifes parents home had two rooms that their walls were discolored with a sootish color that was impossible to wash off. Was the result of burning religious candles daily for 40+ years. My wife used to burn incense in our home and put a stop to it 4 years later when I showed her the issues she was having with her PC, was a tar from them that collected over the years. This was when I did the last rebuild in 2018. Cables were sticky with the tar as well so replaced the cases as well as wasn't sure it was flammable. The worse type tar build up that burn homes down all to often, is caused by kerosene heaters. Not as clean as they say. The tar it produces is highly flammable, takes years to build up, and sinks into walls, floors, then eventually, the spark comes that sets it off. You smell kerosene in a home and not see a heater, that's a bad sign. The cleanup is very expensive if caught late, because floorboards, beams and studs if the oils passed the plywood and plasterboard. Done a few cleanups, most of time it doesn't go past the plaster. Floorboards, a few beams near where the heater was once used. That's why kerosene fires tend to take a home down quite fast.

Oh, the incense acts like a glue. Had to use a heat gun on warm setting to heat the molex connections, as the CPU on top side of motherboard, would not release. Only 4 years worth.

[hard leaf]

good to know, thats why im going to do preventive maintenance on january for that pc. dip the whole pc (literally) on isopropyl alcohol and repasting both gpu and cpu

hard for her to understand how bad for the pc is to burn an aromatic candle near the pc. or so it seems 😛

[sudden creek]

What about like vapor chambers? I have a scent thing that vaporizes the liquid to create a smell.

By the way, what's the best AIO one can get for LGA 1700?

[hard leaf]

liquid freezer 2

360 version

hands down the best aio all around

[sudden creek]

Got it.

[sudden creek]

What about the 420?

[hard leaf]

360 is the best price/performer... 420 is a tad better, but most of the time overkill

[sudden creek]

Because of my sudden change of plans I am thinking of using the Fractal Torrent, which I've seen the 420 being used in.

[hard leaf]

you can ofc, i mean, its your money

its definitely better

[sudden creek]

Will probably get it then, the two costs about the same and would flush out the case a bit more.

[topaz apex]

Hi. Does anyone know if asus rog strix b550 i gaming motherboard compatible with amd ryzen 7 5700g cpu?

[vast meadow]

Actually pretty bad case to use aios in

You either wanna go full air or full custom loop in that case

For 420mm, i would go p500a or meshify 2 (xl) personally

[sudden creek]

Why is that?

[vast meadow]

Yes but you shouldn't be buying either atm, what's your use case?

[vast meadow]

Just how the case performs plus the 180s or whatever in front

[sudden creek]

I got the idea for the AIO setup because someone had done a build in it using I9-12900K, RTX 3090 ti, and the arctic 420mm aio in push/pull up front.

[vast meadow]

Would not recommend tbh

[vast meadow]

Would also add lian li lancool iii rgb on this list

[topaz apex]

i already have the mobo currently running on ryzen 9. thinking use the mobo built another pc lower spec.

[vast meadow]

Might as well just get an i3 12100 and h610 or b660 or something because there's not really any upgrades worth from ryzen 9's atm

[topaz apex]

see your point. thanks

[ionic horizon]

So I purchased a 5800x (currently have 5 2600) and am wondering, what motherboard, x570 or b550? Anyone have some insight?

[scenic solar]

There aren't many important differences, but b550 usually provides more m.2 4gen PCIe slot, x570 are more likely to have 3 PCIe x16 slots but you probably won't use more than 2 in most cases
Just go for the one that offers the most and or costs less

X570 May also have better I/O with more usb 3.2/3.0/usb c

But it's less likely it is cheaper than 550

[compact zenith]

Got to call MS in morning. After building second machine, stupidly dropped the key for the older machine, and it keeps reading in the new key for new machine.

Actually, duh, I got backups.

[compact zenith]

You changed your mind from yesterday, and going with an I9? Sort of funny how the ( I ) Pentiums have greatly changed since their initial release years ago. The I7 used to be better than the I3 and I9, which was why I always replaced them with another I7. Fast forward to today, and I9 vastly better. Not to mention the I7 and I9 were well over $1000 back then. Prices dropped a lot since then, yet the CPUs gotten much better. Wish I could say the same for some motherboard manufacturers.

I was lucky, got to build four machines, two per year at $75 per CPU. They limited employees to two chips a year.

Wonder if Intel still has that program.

Back in the days, if you worked for places like BestBuy, RadioShack, or Sears, Intel reps gave staff a training packet, you'd study on their latest CPUs, take tests which got you points, enough to buy two a year. Their way of keeping most of them off eBay.

If you worked for BestBuy, they had zero tolerance on staff selling anything purchased through those programs, and had no qualms of firing staff, no matter how good they were, if caught selling.

Built a nice collection of Microsoft titles through both technet, and BestBuy. Windows 7 $10, Office 365 $15. Only time there was an issue, was when it was discovered some staff were mailed only a DVD with a thank you, while some got a pretty retail black Ultimate box. Brought mine in, which was when my coworker was POd, showing me the cardboard mailer. Not sure what the deciding factor was that led to that decision.

Vista Ultimate, that was a sickening waste, at least for me it was.

Everyone at home upgraded that day, then the nightmares, and rollback... Not sure if it failed due to bug or just MS not wanting us to go back, but by 3am the next day, all my family's systems were back to Windows 7.

Got to go. Sorry for yet another wall of text. I think I still hold first place for the longest text walls 🤣

[umbral finch]

what are memory timings ,and how do i know if its better

[compact zenith]

DDR4 memory, lower the number, the better the speeds.

DDR5, I'm just learning now. Can't apply the same rules to DDR5

[scenic solar]

There are many but usually the lower they are and they're better (except for some secondary timings like refresh time)

For a classic ddr4 3200mhz module you may find 16-18-18-36, those are the most common timings but you can also find cl14 ram

[vast meadow]

That's just the primary timings tho there's a metric crap load of timings in ram, pretty complex, basically lower timings better, higher frequency better

[scenic solar]

Yeah there are like 30 secondary and tertiary timings

+never exceed with ram quantity or you'll "stress" the imc too much and lose performance

+dual channel = better than quad

[vast meadow]

Quad channel is better than dual channel... 1 stick does not equal one channel

[scenic solar]

I mean that 4 stick is usually worse than 2 for overclock and stability

[vast meadow]

Yes that's 2 dims per channel

Quad channel is only on hedt and server

[scenic solar]

What I meant is slot A1 and A2 on mobos are connected to one single channel, B1 & B2 to the second channel, there's a reason why they tell you to use channel A2 & B2 (basically like this 1st slot- 2nd yes, 3rd no, 4yes) that makes 2 sticks of ram use both channels, with the 1st dimm using the 1st channel and 2nd dimm using 2nd channel

[vast meadow]

That's called 1 dimm per channel btw

[scenic solar]

K, heard so many people say dual channel since it technically uses both channels and got used to it

4 dimm is also dual channel (unless you have some particular mobo with 1channel per slot)

[vast meadow]

4 dimms cant be dual channel yes but as i said it's only 2 channels on consumer atm

[scenic solar]

Huh? 4dimm is dual channel, simply there will be 2 sticks using the same bus

[vast meadow]

On consumer platforms yes 4 sticks is dual channel but on HEDT or servers they will have quad channel so 4 dimms is quad channel

[scenic solar]

4ram channels is only for 8slot motherboard you usually find with x79 & 99

[vast meadow]

And threadripper

Basically any hedt platform that's semi modern

[scenic solar]

Yeah, that one too

4slot mobo:
1dimm = single channel
2dimm on slot A1 & A2 or B1 & B2 = single channel
2dimm on slot A1 & B1 or A2 & B2 = dual channel
4dimm = dual channel

Nothing else

I guess almost nobody buys those 8 slot motherboard unless they really need them

[vast meadow]

Yes that's correct

[hard leaf]

pato sensei enlighten us 🙏

yeah kinda weird the dual channel better than quad 😛

[vast meadow]

No it's not

Shtooppp

[hard leaf]

[vast meadow]

1 dimm per channel is better than 2 dimms per channel is what you tryna say i hope

[amber canopy]

Quad channel is why x79 and x99 are gigachad platforms

[grizzled bloom]

Well he's not wrong. Running DDR3 2000 in quad channel you get the same bandwidth and better latency compared to DDR4 4000

[umbral finch]

does 32 gb ram actually matter for gaming?

[burnt spear]

depends on the rest of the build

[umbral finch]

lets say 12900k

[burnt spear]

yes

[umbral finch]

same with ddr 5 or ddr4 , or does this impact the answer

[burnt spear]

either way, 32gb

though matters more for ddr5

[umbral finch]

what about 64gigs in ddr5

u guys expect gaming machines to have 128 ram minimum in the next few years?

[burnt spear]

no

never

[hard leaf]

lawl

128 ram minimum roflmao

16gb is more than enough for today's standards (for only gaming)

maybe 32 in some 6 years (just for gaming ofc)

[umbral finch]

its weird that a stupid gaming machine or a good pc for "what ever is not gaming" can load all of my phones storage at once

i have like 120 gb on my phone

[vast meadow]

I don't expect 128gb ram to even be common for like 30 years

[hard leaf]

ill be probably dead on 30 years

sad moment

[vast meadow]

Chainsmoker and or 55 years old rn kek?

[hard leaf]

36

[vast meadow]

Oh jeez i didn't think you where that old

[hard leaf]

have no bad habits but typing on the egg discord 😎

[vast meadow]

[hard leaf]

yeah 2 kids, 9 the oldest

still im feeling fresh as if i have 15

😎

[agile jolt]

Do yall think getting a 5800x3d would he worth it as zen 4 rolls around

As an upgrade from a 5600

[hard leaf]

its a minor upgrade in any case form a 5600x

still relevant until the 7000x3d anyway

after that, hard to guess

[agile jolt]

Zen 4 will probably be an expensive upgrade

Would need a mobo, cpu and the damned ddr5

[hard leaf]

probably? more like expected

[agile jolt]

Ddr5 casually being more then the mobo itself

Was just wondering if a better cpu would help my gpu stretch its legs a bit more

[hard leaf]

depends on a lot of factors, but yes, the 3d cache will help a lot in games

[agile jolt]

I'm pretty sure a gpu is usually a bottleneck at 1440p

[hard leaf]

more like on 4k

[agile jolt]

Unless it's the other way around

[hard leaf]

1440p not so much

[agile jolt]

I know 1080p is cpu bound

[hard leaf]

1080p is cpu neck, 1440 is like 50/50

[agile jolt]

In before "but 8k tho"

I considered upgrading to faster ram

But past 3200mhz it seems to be diminishing returns

[hard leaf]

for 8k you should be upgrading your whole system

anyway

[agile jolt]

Kinda wish I originally got a 5600x

Instead of the base 5600

But I cheaped out

[hard leaf]

its almost the same chip but cheaper

[agile jolt]

Was a $30

[hard leaf]

just 200mhz slower, not noticeable anyway

[agile jolt]

Decided "probably not worth lol"

Kinda like how I hear "want a 6750xt? Oc the 6700xt"

[hard leaf]

was the right choice

not worth

200mhz more for 30 bucks? not worth at all

maybe for 5 or even 10 more

[agile jolt]

I bought my cooler for less then that $30

[hard leaf]

you have a stong case of "buyer's regret"

just enjoy what you have

[agile jolt]

Probably

I do regret one thing

this mobo's USB connector sucks oh my god

It's at the bottom right and it infuriates me

[hard leaf]

they are there most of the time

[agile jolt]

It's very hard to plug in

Because the case blocks the angle

[hard leaf]

then hate the case

[agile jolt]

so I left it unplugged from anger

[hard leaf]

most mobos have the usb connectors on the bottom right

[agile jolt]

It's so hard to plug in

Idk why

[hard leaf]

maybe you are doing it wrong idk

most cases have enough cable length to reach easily there

[vast meadow]

dont look at leaked b650 prices, for your sake

[hard leaf]

ok, curiosity got the better of me

bring the link pato

[agile jolt]

$400

[hard leaf]

:V

[sudden creek]

Up to as much as $1200

[agile jolt]

The J

[hard leaf]

b650s?

you should be wrong

[sudden creek]

Wait, I think I misread.

We're talking about AM5 yes?

[hard leaf]

yes

but 1200 should be for top x670e

[sudden creek]

Ahh that was my mistake.

[hard leaf]

b650s should be between 150-250... but its a wild guess

still... seems like pato knows too much

[sudden creek]

I thought 670 was for AM5. and 650/550 for AM4.

[hard leaf]

no

500 series is am4 and 10-11th

600 is am5 and 12th gen

[long geyser]

First number depicts series. Wouldn't make sense to have the same series have a different cpu socket.

So b650, b650e, x670, and x670e are all for AM5 Ryzen CPUs.

[sudden creek]

Got it.

[agile jolt]

Got it for like $100

[hard leaf]

700 is gen 13th, and probably next gen am5

[agile jolt]

Can't complain ig

[hard leaf]

yet you are complaining

like o.O

[agile jolt]

About the ucb 3 connecter

It is dookie

That is all

[long geyser]

Yeah, tho worth noting those generation of CPUs should be compatible with the slightly older generation boards (600 series).

[cursive epoch]

usb connectors are just a pain anyway

[agile jolt]

All the others are eh to plug in

[hard leaf]

should be ofc

more than a pain, they are so flimsy... one misstep and you break them

but i guess that depends on the mobo quality as well

[cursive epoch]

i hate 20/24 pin tho

that's the real pain

like god i swear

[agile jolt]

Pretty sure the mobo connector I'm talking about is that weird 20 pin

[cursive epoch]

it's so hard

[hard leaf]

the big bulk in the middle xD

yeah, like, why?

[agile jolt]

I watched videos on mobo cabling

[cursive epoch]

my fingers hurt

[agile jolt]

"Yeah this cord sucks lol"

[hard leaf]

kinda, at least you need to do it once

[cursive epoch]

yeah

it's a plug it and forget it kinda deal

unless psu is ded

[agile jolt]

Go outside idk

[hard leaf]

i would unplug my equipment from the wall

😛

if somehow the breakers fail then at least my equipment will be safe from a sudden surge the moment the electricity come back

[twilit breach]

Any recommendations for a motherboard that contains Intel vPro technology?

[gilded jewel]

thoughts on 12400 vs 5600 if prices are equivalent

currently 5600 is much more cheaper

[burnt spear]

5600

[gilded jewel]

really why?

[grizzled bloom]

They're pretty close in performance so whatever is cheaper

[strange spindle]

Maybe restart it

[agile jolt]

Have you turned the life support off and back on again

[amber canopy]

Dedotaded wam

[finite elm]

Also I think b450's or even b550's can be gotten for cheaper than a b660 and the H610's are hit or miss.

I know MSI Pro series for the H510i was fine(allowed xmp), Might also have a good H610 lol.

[sudden creek]

What's poppin today?

[dull flint]

Bubble wrap

[sudden creek]

What is it wrapped around?

[kindred rover]

Hi!
Is dram volt fluctuations normal?
My ddr4 stick normally runs at 1.200v..
I was playing games and hwinfo was running at the backgroud... I checked like 5 mins ago my dram was running at 1.2v then power cut happened and my ups backup kiched in.. as i was abt to shut down my pc, i rechecked my volts n dram volts shows current(1.2v) min(1.184v) max(1.2v)... This happened for the first time.. i never ever saw dram volts drops... They always runs at stable volts... Is this normal? Or should i be worried..

[dull flint]

Yes, little fluctuations like that are normal

My gigglebit board flicks up and down like that too in bios

[silver turret]

what is CAS Latencies?

[vast meadow]

Cas latency (cl) is the first timing reading you will see on ram for example 3200mhz 16-18-18-38 are probably the most common timings for ddr4, the 16 being cas latency

[silver turret]

OOoo ok

[sudden creek]

The lower the better.

[untold jackal]

Hope I am in the right place. Looking to take an old Dell XPS-210 and replace the guts with a little more recent internals. As far as I can tell its a nanoBTX board. MB dimensions are ~8.8" x ~10.5". The screw positions are about 7.5" and 10" apart. Anyone taken this type of endeavor before?

[vast meadow]

Why not just get a new better case?

[untold jackal]

Thanks for your question. Once I can make some progress and get some helpful advice on my current initiative I will get back to you 🙂

[vast meadow]

Just said be because nanobtx is not a standard you can buy

Also those cases are pretty bad

[untold jackal]

Availability of a motherboard is my current hurdle, yes. Lets continue down that road

[compact zenith]

Just ran into a really wierd issue. One of the Aorus Z690 systems I built a few days ago, suddenly won't post, and the LED code showing is C2, and ran a search on a pdf of the manual turns up nothing. No bios posting, all else powers on, fans, RGB lights and C2 code.

[dull flint]

Try booting with 1 stick *of ram

Try 1 then try the other by themselves, then together

Then try instead of A2/B2 memory slots, try A1/B1

Or slowly fill out the board until you get an error if you have 4 sticks

If it's not that, a quick google says reseating the cpu (while checking for any bent pins) can also help

Reseat then put the cooler back on but only to a finger tightness

[compact zenith]

Thanks. New ram, one stick went bad in under 48 hours.

Swapped it and got same error.

[dull flint]

What ram did you buy for it?

[compact zenith]

T-Force

[dull flint]

Le oof

I actually kinda like T force

[hollow thorn]

Might want to try new bios if it boots again

Early z690 GB board bioses had weird compatibility issues with ddr4

[dull flint]

Ye, this would be worth doing ^

For all 3 aorus boards you bought tbh

[compact zenith]

It's ddr5

[dull flint]

It still applies for ddr5

[compact zenith]

One stick was bad, but luckily I bought some spares so swapped the pair out.

[dull flint]

You bought spare ddr5?

[compact zenith]

I'm building 4 systems, and mine was going to have 64 gb ram, but when my son's failed today, gave him mine as I can still function under 32 for now

[dull flint]

Oh I see

You were gonna have 4 sticks of ddr5 on a gigabyte board?

[compact zenith]

Yes.

[dull flint]

If you hadn't already tried it, 4 sticks of ddr5 is really hard to run at rated speeds

[burnt spear]

4 sticks of ddr5 is not good

[dull flint]

It's better to get denser sticks of 2 than any 4

[burnt spear]

You'd be lucky if it ran 4800mhz with 4 sticks

[dull flint]

Even jedec is difficult on a number of 4 stick boards

[burnt spear]

Mhm

[dull flint]

Jedec being the base level speed for ddr5

[compact zenith]

Right now 4 sticks was cheaper of 1x16 then going with 1x32.

[cerulean wadi]

Should've done a 2x32GB kit, if* 64 total is what you were after.

[dull flint]

Ya but you're on a gigabyte z690 which is known for ram training issues, trying the hardest combination of ram for it

I'm just bringing that up cos if it's anything north of like, 5200 xmp you're basically guaranteed to have trouble running it for what you paid

[compact zenith]

Been building systems since the old C64 and Atari Amiga days, and for the life of me, can't ever recall ever having a ran stick ever go bad like this. Got them damaged during shipping, but to go bad, it's so rare even the error for it caught me off guard. It's almost unheard of

[dull flint]

The ram stick going bad is a separate thing, it happens

I've experienced it myself

[compact zenith]

Should I worry about my kids systems that only use 2 totaling 32gb? It was the free NVME drives that have better ratings than my NVME rockets that steered me to get them.

[dull flint]

2 is fine

If you're running 2x16 in all of them it should be ample and perfectly fine

[compact zenith]

Ill check the 32 prices

[dull flint]

[burnt spear]

Wait are they 4x8 or 4x16?

Brain derp moment

[dull flint]

That said, if it was running 4x16 for the last few days without any issues, checking your xmp speeds and some ram stress testing might validate/invalidate any cause for concerns

[compact zenith]

I went though hell with my daughters build today because they stupidly sent me a copy of home accidentally. Was supposed to get all 4 pros, so when they sent me a copy of the key for pro while they mail me the hard copy, system refused it as it locked in the home version, but Microsoft cleared the new system once I sent them Neweggs invoice to prove equipment was new. Otherwise I'd have had to go buy the $299 package 😦

The ram sticks are 4x16 for my system, and 2x16 for my kids.

[dull flint]

Worth going back with the 1 dead stick kit and another 2x16 and swapping them under warranty to 2x32

[compact zenith]

I need the ram because my system runs about 8 server programs, including Apache server to host all my images for my eBay auctions. Heh, should have seen what I did to some sellers 10years ago when they kept stealing my art, and left the links in

Ram is 5 days old. Returning it to newegg

[dull flint]

Nice

[compact zenith]

One annoying thing I'm seeing about the ram, it vanishes off the Aura sync application. Sometimes it shows up for days, other times I'm forced to use ASUS utility to change RGB.

[dull flint]

That's aura sync

It just does what it wants

Also surprised you're using that with an aorus board tbh

That's something I do

[compact zenith]

Don't blame me lol, the appcenter downloaded it.

[dull flint]

Really? Gigabyte uses aura sync now? Not rgbfusion?

[cerulean wadi]

Not really, just he decided to get aura sync for some reason. I got it myself once just to mess w/ my gpu lighting.

[sudden creek]

What RGB software is best?

[cerulean wadi]

Correct answer: none.

[sudden creek]

There's best then there's good.

I'm asking for best of the options.

The case fans I am getting has support for, ASUS Aura, Gigabyte Fusion, MSI Mystic Light and ASRock Polychrome.

[cerulean wadi]

afaik generally good to use what brand the mobo is, but someone else might suggest otherwise.

[dull flint]

Ye, either that or an all in one like signalrgb or openrgb keeps the bloatware down

[sudden creek]

Got it.

Anyone got an idea as to how much the I9-13900K will cost?

I am expecting $600-700.

[cerulean wadi]

Definitely $650ish minimum considering what 12900K usually is ($586 currently amazon). I partly just want 13th gen for the better ipc. The new i9 isn't super impressive tbh, same Pcore amount as the i7. Overall multicore performance is getting nuts though.

[long geyser]

ipc is max 1.5% better then 12th gen, most likely 0% better (unless one is cache bound, as there is more cache in 13th gen which technically improves IPC). 13th gen just improves in clock stuff

[sudden creek]

IPC is Instructions Per Core if I understand correctly?

[cursive epoch]

Nah

Instructions Per Cycle

[sudden creek]

Got it.

[cerulean wadi]

Supposedly 13th overall was 8-10% better at stock, idk. I don't care about ipc specifically. No doubt in plenty of games the actual difference might not be large. Really I'm just part not buying anything yet, rather than actually waiting for next gen per se.

[sudden creek]

I haven't bought the parts for my system yet so it won't hurt me to go with 13th gen.

By the way, on the subject of next gen.

Which do you guys think will be better? 7950x or 13900K?

[dull flint]

Reviews will tell

We must wait

[compact zenith]

Actually, application center downloaded both.

I'm now worried Newegg is pulling some kind of stunt. I selected defective exchange for the return, and I now see the $255 ram marked as a $75 refund?

[dull flint]

That'll be worth contacting them again imo

That's...unusual

[compact zenith]

Actually it's not. They did similar back in 2012 with a $250 graphics card, and let's say the results of that fiasco, netted them a $2800 loss, which is why I can't believe with the account info they have, they would risk doing it again.

Basically last time, I paid for overnight shipping with UPS, they used a different carrier who threw the parcel at my daughter's cat, missed and hit ceramic planter above, and forget the rest, the card was broken, all on CCTV, sent it back and at first they gave me only $90 back. Turned out 3 weeks after purchase, they sent a key for final fantasy, so used that as an excuse to not exchange and refund small amount. Four months later, they were forced to pay $2800.

I like Neweggs selection. But their return and exchange ethics are not so great. I'm shocked they now willingly send ups tags, that's new.

[strange spindle]

Uwu

[compact zenith]

Newegg got $7,000 in total sales from me over past few weeks. It's really not much to them compared to all the big repeat accounts they deal with, and I gave them that chance because Amazon is lying with fake tracking they shipped items, to cancel orders weeks later because they never were in stock to begin with. This happens last few months of each year, so they can fund Xmas stock. I rather risk a broken item being shipped by Newegg, then wait weeks for something that's never going to come.

If you had orders that suddenly became undeliverable, returned when you didn't even see a truck, that's Amazon using people's money to stock up.

Did a large article on this months ago.

Sorry, I shouldn't be saying this here. Keep forgetting where I am

Bbl

[vast meadow]

That's because 1 you should really be buying loose sticks, 4 sticks of ddr5 isn't gonna work above like 4800mhz

Idek why board manufacturers bother with 4 slots on ddr5

[dull flint]

A lot of people agree with you tbh lol

If every board was a 2 dimmer we'd all be better off lol

Single dimm boards when

[cursive epoch]

biostar has you covered

wait for a620 from them

[dull flint]

Oh yeah that one board with d4 and d5

Single stick only each channel

[compact zenith]

The single stick price is almost the price of 2.

DDR 5 is also new to me, but as for DDR 4, my older Asus MB got very picky with two single sticks. Had to go with double packs.

Asus Z97 Pro gamer. That was the annoying board.

[cerulean wadi]

Meanwhile I've had a few gigabyte mobos totally not care about "mixed" kits. I almost should expect more issues from a 2012 mobo.

[dull flint]

That sounds about right lol

[vast meadow]

That's not your motherboards fault, ram is ram but mixing IC's (dies) isn't the best idea

[compact zenith]

So is this better?

Check this out on @Newegg: CORSAIR Dominator Platinum RGB 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5200 (PC5 41600) Intel XMP 3.0 Desktop Memory Model CMT64GX5M2B5200C40 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820236840?Item=N82E16820236840&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-236-840-_-09122022

[vast meadow]

Or go for this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4jxRsY/kingston-fury-beast-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-5600-cl40-memory-kf556c40bbk2-64

[compact zenith]

I ordered the 64gb set and got rma for the unopened, and again it would only refund $75. I'll talk with Newegg tomorrow. I have a feeling they will fix that issue. System refuses to let me return the NVME that came with them.

So, using all 4 slots slows the motherboard down. That the same with DDR4?

[frosty depot]

Send a DM to @glad socket with all the details of what is going and and what you've tried. They'll most likely be able to help you faster and better.

They were able to issue me a refund on an item that was marked as replacement only warranty.

[cerulean wadi]

Yea, barely. Got people doing 3800c16 and stuff even w/ 4 dimms often enough. I mean sure also depends partly on cpu and/or mobo sometimes.

[compact zenith]

Thanks for the suggestion, but what I have to say requires personal info, and there are several applications that allow an entire discord content to get downloaded, sometimes DMs, which I never got around to figuring out why or how only select DMs.

I have their email so writing them

[frosty depot]

I understand. I just know that the Newegg service here is ran by the heads of the server and they seem to have more knowledge as well as power to do things quicker. Its like skipping the basic customer service and instantly getting the ticket escelated.

[compact zenith]

I'll try minus the personal info.

[frosty depot]

The only thing I had to give them was my order #

[compact zenith]

That's ok, it's cc# and info I don't feel comfortable about. I used to work for EA and should see some of the emails I used to get rofl.

[frosty depot]

Oh yeah, you don't give them that info. It's all linked to your order #. So you just give them that and they do whatever customer service would do on the website.

[vast meadow]

Yeah but that's manual and way lower frequency

[compact zenith]

The bad ram, I have a good idea why one set went bad. I posted a picture of how one set got shipped, no packing material, box not even taped. Another box that was taped, the material was very very staticy. Bubble wrap stick to fridge it was that bad.

Was amazed nothing was stolen.

UPS driver was shocked as an NVME was sticking out from under box so we checked and all contents was still there.

That's how it was shipped lol

From GA to CA, I was willing to bet had I said no, it wouldn't have lasted the trip back to warehouse 6

[frosty depot]

Jeeze

[compact zenith]

When Nintendo switch first came out, I was on a preorder list which I canceled, after finding another seller. Before credit cards had the lock feature, I set up multiple accounts with no overdraft and 50 cents, and transfer the sale amount. Was good way to stop price changes and rebills. When I went to place an order, found one account +$1300 plus some change. Turned out, the place I did the preorder with had a no refund policy, but same time didn't charge me yet for order I already canceled. Turned out the employee who tried processing my sale anyway, lost their temper and kept clicking the process option, and at some point didn't realize they hit refund instead, like 4 times. I let bank reverse it. Had it been like $12,000,000, I might have reconsidered 😂

Hey, my honesty can only stretch so far.

My spell checker on the other hand, can't go nowhere.

[frosty depot]

@vast meadow whats some good rgb white bdie ddr4 ram?

Also.. Is 13th gen gonna be ddr5 only? I keep seeing that is the case.

[dull flint]

Ballistonks white

[cerulean wadi]

It's not. 13th gen should work on 600 series w/ just a bios update, therefore supports ddr4 as well.

[vast meadow]

Nope

[vast meadow]

Off the top of my head only oloy have white b die

[frosty depot]

I think the corsair vengeance rgb pro is bdie, but idk about the quality.

[vast meadow]

Not good pcbs

[frosty depot]

Alright.

[dull flint]

T-force xtreem is all rgb but could be set to white

I believe they have 3600 C14 sticks

PNY XLR8 might have a white sku, tforce delta

2nd hand ballistix would probably be ideal tho

Oloys are kinda nice tho

White pcb too

[cursive epoch]

beautiful ram

[obtuse forge]

This is what I found in a prebuilt in Best Buy

[final eagle]

Man, pray you never have an issue with an AMD processor. Dealing with the warranty through AMD/Amazon is a nightmare. I am almost about to give up and buy an intel

[obtuse forge]

Say thanks to AMD who bring downed the Intel price

[cursive epoch]

Not really lol

[vast meadow]

300$ 6 core cpu

[cursive epoch]

AMD had been skimping on budget lineup

Intel just slotted right into that

6 cores for below $200

It's been 3 gens too lol

10-12th gen all had and has decent 6c/12t for below $200 mark

and yes $300 6 core, lame amd

[final eagle]

My 5900x was great until it stopped working after 5 months

[sudden creek]

Does UDIMM mean this is the maximum ram speed the CPU can handle?

[hard leaf]

those charts show the maximum speed validated from intel much like 3200mhz is for ddr4 but you can go way higher

[sudden creek]

Got it.

Wanted to double check.

Man, I'm excited for the new series launch from the teams.

[hard leaf]

me 2

have my wallet ready

[sudden creek]

Just realized this will be the first PC I've built from the ground up. In the past due to massive costs I've bought prebuilts and simply changed the parts inside the prebuilt.

[hard leaf]

good for you

same for me

[compact zenith]

T-Force ram, definitely not good, at least with Aorus boards. The NVME they give with the memory is the only good part of the deal, the read write speeds beat out my NVME Sabient Rocket. My son's PC was showing write speeds of 4430, despite ratings saying 4400.

Read speed was 4890, classed at 5000 mbps

If you want an accurate test, don't have any spindle or SSD connected. It interfears with test.

Oh, can we update a review? I need to include some important information that will greatly help with the Aorus Z690 Gigabyte accidentally shipped without Ethernet or WiFi drivers. They moved the application center to bios, which is supposed to connect to the internet to download everything instead of coming with a flash drive, or DVD. Will help save Newegg on unnecessary returns as not everyone has a second PC to get drivers, and drivers it lacked, prevented me from connecting my android to transfer drivers that way, I used a portable NVME in place of thumb drive. I'll never use a normal thumb drive again lol

[hard leaf]

yes you can update reviews at newegg page

[tame epoch]

Yo I have a question so when I built my pc i was on a mega budget and went with 500gb storage (ik stupid I regret it ) anyways my mobo has one ssd slot and I'm a brand designer so I cant lose any files and I need way more storage! How would one go about transferring info including OS to another ssd without a second slot... Any help is MUCH appreciated! Thanks!

[tacit marsh]

Is there anyone that could assist me in understanding which CPU to upgrade to when trying to play a game. Such as being able to choose a different CPU rather than the recommended one's?

[dull flint]

Sata SSD + Macrium reflect/external HDD + Macrium reflect

[dull flint]

What kind of games do you want to play? What resolution do you play?

[burnt spear]

Also depends on the rest of the pc

Mainly gpu

[tacit marsh]

@dull flint Well I built my computer and my wife a computer. We play several games but her computer can't run Halo infinite. The CPU is what is problem. I upgraded her CPU from FX 8320 to FX 8370. The commended CPU's are AMD Ryzen 7 3700X or Intel i7-9700k. Neither are compatible with her motherboard. I have an I3-8100 and I run it great.

[burnt spear]

Yeah... fx cpus are very outdated

12100f would do fine, 12400f would be what I'd shoot for if you can afford it and a mobo

[tacit marsh]

I just want to understand how to choose one base on details rather than just picking because its recommended.

[dull flint]

You will definitely struggle on an FX with halo infinite

[burnt spear]

Paired with a b660a wifi if you need wifi included, or b660 mag bazooka if you don't

[dull flint]

What gpu is she using?

[burnt spear]

12100f is better than my 3600 and I ran halo infinite at max settings great, 12400f will age better though

[tacit marsh]

Her GPU is Radeon RX 570

[burnt spear]

Refer back to this then

[dull flint]

Probably getting 30 fps out of that at 1080p in a best case scenario

I struggle to hit 60fps on good 1080p settings on infinite with a 3060 mobile, significantly faster

[tacit marsh]

Looking at her AMD info she gets 53 fps w Destiny2 and that's her lowest one being displayed via recent games.

[dull flint]

53fps is not a lot for D2 lol

As bacca said, a new cpu and mobo like a 12100F or 12400F and a b660m would go a long way to help that, but also you should consider a better gpu

Halo infinite is a much harder game than D2 to run

Much much harder

I would chalk it up there for difficult AAA titles rn

[tacit marsh]

Yeah. built these a couple years back but didn't get into demanding pc gaming until we couldn't get series X's. Still can't find them here. So started to upgrade parts.

[burnt spear]

What's your budget for the upgrade?

[dull flint]

Fair enough, want us to make a list for target specs?

[burnt spear]

570 should be fine enough to carry over for low settings imo, my friend ran it on a 580 4gb without issue

[tacit marsh]

I wouldn't be against it.

[burnt spear]

Got I think 90fps at low

[burnt spear]

.

[dull flint]

If you stick with the 570 I would go 12100F and then an msi pro b660m-g

[burnt spear]

Depends if they need wifi

Ds3h ax or b660a wifi if you do

[tacit marsh]

We ran wire ethernet through the walls

[burnt spear]

Ah kk

Then ye, b660 pro rd or b660m-g if you go 12100f

[dull flint]

How much ram do you have also?

[burnt spear]

Mag bazooka if you go 12400f or above

[burnt spear]

It's ddr3

[tacit marsh]

24

[burnt spear]

They'll need new ram

[dull flint]

Oh

Then 16gb of silicon power gaming

It's basically cheap everywhere

[burnt spear]

He hasn't given a budget yet tho

Most important part

[dull flint]

That should be in the ball park of about 200-220

Could go cheaper yeah

[tacit marsh]

budget isn't really a problem. I can work OT. We just don't expect to play Extreme over the top like 4k 200fps.

[dull flint]

This should help make 1080p playable

I mean we could show you 4K 200fps if you wanted...lol

[tacit marsh]

nah

[dull flint]

Also fwiw, are you running this pc off an ssd?

[tacit marsh]

No. I'm not completely sold on SSD's. The loading time difference that I have read on articles didn't seem like it was really necessary.

[dull flint]

Ah, then I'm here to tell you the difference is explosive

[tacit marsh]

Used to just console gaming. Our PC's already seem fast compared to just Xbox one's.

[dull flint]

The series X's use ssd's

[amber canopy]

SSDs are useful for other stuff, not really games

[tacit marsh]

We don't have those. Haven't been able to find one it our area since release. Gave up on getting them because I still can't find one, let alone two.

Don't really do anything else on the PC's

[midnight pollen]

https://i.imgur.com/iBV2iXH.png

[amber canopy]

need for speed

[midnight pollen]

I don't know why Im always clicked on this chat

[dull flint]

Oh yeah but if they aren't running windows on one it's really worth doing

This is currently an FX system

[dull flint]

Xbox one's also use HDD's

If you aren't using windows on an SSD yet it'll really be worth it

[tacit marsh]

Yeah we have internal 2tb's and an internal 500g (windows and system) in each of our PC's

[dull flint]

Ah ok

So no need to think about that then

Yeah just the 12100F, MSI b660m-g and silicon power gaming 16gb

You won't really need anything else

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c6yH3y

[tacit marsh]

I had just one more question. This has been extremely helpful.

Looking at the i3 12100F processor

vs the FX 8270 (I know it won't run it)

How can I understand the difference between what is actually needed such as # of cores and freq

[cerulean wadi]

Most games don't use more than 3 or 4 cores, and the 8threads total is also fine for a lot of people. Now if streaming or multitasking a lot, I might say otherwise.

[tacit marsh]

Just trying to not just rely on asking people later down the road over and over when it comes time to change something.

[dull flint]

Architecture improvements, IPC, differences in cache levels, it all plays a factor

[tacit marsh]

I based my the upgrade of her FX 8320 to 8370 just because it was compatible to her Mobo and like the recommended CPU's from the game's info, it hit 4.0GHz.

[dull flint]

A cpu 10 years ago having as many cores and threads as a cpu now and more frequency won't mean it's better by paper as there's many other factors involved in what makes a cpu turn faster

To put it in context FX is the reason AMD almost went bankrupt

[tacit marsh]

Fair enough.

Because of getting a new Mobo, I'm going to have to get window's once again correct?

[dull flint]

Also similarly said for any current CPU, unless you're comparing the same generation and architecture, GHz readings mean completely different things

No you can keep the windows key

Sign into windows settings if you're on windows 10 with one of the microsoft accounts you or your wife has

On the current pc

[tacit marsh]

I know how to get the cd key.

[dull flint]

Oh, well if you mean reinstall then yes that would be wise

[midnight pollen]

you know what while im here, intel xeons don't have integrated graphics right?