cpus-mobo-and-memory

[dull flint]

Good

[silver turret]

this good to ?

[dull flint]

Ye

[vast meadow]

Get whichever is cheaper

[dull flint]

Eats a 3050 alive for gaming

[vast meadow]

[vernal cosmos]

dont buy it

its a bad listing

btw

[silver turret]

BRUHHHHHHHHHH

[vernal cosmos]

get this one

[silver turret]

i was going to buy it

[vernal cosmos]

the gpu that has motherboard pics in gallery?

...

[silver turret]

jk i am JOKEING

[vast meadow]

But i want the graphics board
Or mother card

[vernal cosmos]

also if u have a list of parts ur gonna buy, send it over ill take a look

[dull flint]

Graphic board go brrrr

[vernal cosmos]

im also indian so i know the market here very well

[dull flint]

Experto

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-youre-not-worthy-avengers-age-of-ultron-marvel-gif-14174201

[silver turret]

where u fFrom

[vernal cosmos]

india

[silver turret]

ik that

where in india

[dull flint]

Where u?

[silver turret]

this world

[dull flint]

[vernal cosmos]

Why would i tell you that

[silver turret]

idk

[dull flint]

And that's a normal counter reaction

Lol

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-america-ass-captain-america-avengers-endgame-gif-14805594

[silver turret]

what the

[vernal cosmos]

MY HAND HAS BEEN FREED

THE CAT IS NOW IN MY LAP

[dull flint]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-that-is-americas-ass-captain-ass-captain-america-gif-14512552

[vast meadow]

You never seen end game?

[silver turret]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wolf-of-wall-street-clap-clapping-clapping-hands-leonardo-dicaprio-gif-22829304

[silver turret]

i have

[vast meadow]

That's a scene from it

[silver turret]

i mean whAT ThE why u put that

[vast meadow]

Cuz he put a captain America gif before

[silver turret]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-all-nice-gif-22927671

what AMD cpu is good or i3 12100F

[dull flint]

Just stay with a 12100f

It's a solid cpu

[vernal cosmos]

give budget

[silver turret]

10000

[vernal cosmos]

for the entire pc

[silver turret]

but if i give a AMD Graphics card and AMD better

[silver turret]

yea why

i3 12100F is like 9000 or 10000

[hard leaf]

im so confused at this point o.O

[vernal cosmos]

well ur gpu is more than 10k

so like

ur pc budget cant be 10k

[silver turret]

60000

[vernal cosmos]

aight

gimme a little bit

[silver turret]

ok

[vast meadow]

In most regions amd don't have a competitor to the 12100 tbh

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/uaRRJNawna4

[midnight pollen]

Lol

[ebon jackal]

Anybody know of a MOBO diagnostic tool?

[vast meadow]

what for?

[ebon jackal]

system is locking-up on me. I have reinstalled Windows and or Linux, and I get the same outcome - after an hour or so, system locks

sometimes it randomly reboots

[dull flint]

Event viewer could tell you something

Blue screen?

[vast meadow]

have you overclocked anything?

[ebon jackal]

Actually no... Just locks.

nope

[vast meadow]

might be no harm to run a memory stress test

[ebon jackal]

any tools for that?

[dull flint]

Last few times when I got hard resets I had PSU related issues

[vast meadow]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/ run the extreme anta77 profile

if you get a single error it fails

[dull flint]

Ram stress would be good too

[ebon jackal]

any way to run something out of OS?

system just locked on me again. I'd prefer not to have to reinstall Windows again.

[vast meadow]

you cant regularly boot back into os after lock?

might be dodgy storage if so

[ebon jackal]

I actually am able to boot

reboot

[vast meadow]

https://www.memtest86.com/ you can boot to this from a usb drive but not as good as test mem 5

ah then why would you have to reinstall?

[ebon jackal]

seems that when I try to do anything, system locks

but I'll give it a try

[dull flint]

Memtest86 may show errors yeah, but very unreliable. It basically is useless on 12th gen intel with e cores if you're using that I've found

Can pass a whole full test then boot into windows and die again

[ebon jackal]

hmmm

just locked up on me again when I went to web page to download memtest

oy...

[boreal moth]

What’s the difference between the i5-12600k and kf models

[burnt spear]

K has an igpu, kf doesn't

[boreal moth]

Oh okay thanks

Don’t need that igpu

[dim cloak]

Don't need igpu if you have a dedicated graphics card

[mild jackal]

OCCT is another easy option for cpu, ram, gpu testing, but TM5 is more customizable and can be more thorough.

Karhu is kinda the meta for ddr5

[sudden creek]

The I9-13900K I heard rumors of a unlimited power stage, I was wondering if someone could enlighten me on it and if it'd be worth switching to a Z790 mobo for that feature once 13th gen comes out?

[vast meadow]

It'll come out to z690 too

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

That's a relief.

[hard leaf]

unlimited power stage will require heavy cooling tho... 350w+ aint no joke

[cursive epoch]

yep

[long geyser]

Esp when going through a meh TIM and IHS which isn't flat. Man do I wish direct die was more available for CPUs, would help so much.

[amber canopy]

TEC

[sudden creek]

Would 420mm AIO do the job then later on CLC?

Also, my room temperature is 17c on avg so that should also help.

[hard leaf]

for a 13900 unlimited, yeah

i mean... if it dont then your next option is custom loop 😛

[dull flint]

8 more e cores, I'm guessing it might actually be a bit easier to cool than the 12900K

Since the power concentration won't be as small

[sudden creek]

Got it.

I am looking forward to Overclocking either the 12th or 13th gen I9.

Not sure which I am gonna decide to get first.

[limber dragon]

that's nothing new for K chips and Z mobos. 90% of the time the mobo will default to 4095w pl

[sudden creek]

Got it.

Do you think there would be any issues with the pump being used with the Z690 KingPin Mogo?

Mobo?

Asking because it has the CPU rotated.

[limber dragon]

everything is rotated

[sudden creek]

I know.

But you know what I mean.

[limber dragon]

just check forums for cooler and that mobo compatibility issues

[sudden creek]

I guess worst case I just used it as a open test bench setup until I get a new AIO.

[limber dragon]

or ya know, do some research beforehand

like instead of just getting a dark, do some research to which which mobo would do what you need ||like memory speeds||

[sudden creek]

Can’t find clear answers on the mobo when used with the arctic freezer II.

[limber dragon]

you also only spent 3 minutes looking

[sudden creek]

I know what the Motherboard is designed for which is why I am getting that.

[sudden creek]

11 days.

Been researching my entire setup upgrade.

[limber dragon]

its designed for an ln2 pot

[sudden creek]

Extrême Overclocking, and normally used with a Ln2 pot to try to break records.

[limber dragon]

and you get evga™️ quality bios updates and memory support

[sudden creek]

I am crazy but not crazy enough to use Ln2.

[limber dragon]

||and apparently crazy enough to go with a dark over an apex or ux||

[sudden creek]

Yep.

[sterile flower]

I've seen ES results, it's a lot easier to cool

[dull flint]

Yeah I would've thought so

[sterile flower]

400w+ isn't trouble for a good loop

[sudden creek]

I can't wait to try a CLC system once I am back in ShangHai using Graphene.

That stuff looks so cool.

Currently not going to attempt any sort of CLC since I will need to transport the PC with me on airplanes every like 6 months.

[long geyser]

Tbf 400w is pretty easy with a decent AIO. 280mm NZXT x63 was a great recommendation for custom cooling a 500w 2080Ti back in the day (generally with non-NZXT fans). IHS and TIM are generally the biggest issues with CPUs, and they aren't fixing it for 13th gen sadly.

[naive pendant]

is the b550a pro good for its price?

[grizzled bloom]

No, it doesn't have any VRM heatsinks. I wouldn't use anything more than a 3200g with it.

[sterile flower]

GPUs are stupidly easy to cool vs CPUs, compared to previous Intel CPUs RPL is really easy to cool

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe this one for a 5600X or lower, it has a heatsink and WiFi. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ytdrxr/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac

[grizzled bloom]

Indeed, GPUs have much more spread out heat loads because of the massive dies.

[long geyser]

Based on tests done from old direct CPU die stuff, TIM+IHS is half the issue. But sadly we aint going to be seeing easy direct die stuff anymore.

[sterile flower]

I know at least 2 people running direct die daily on ADL

[limber dragon]

you just have to be careful with the delid because of smds under the ihs

[tight swallow]

i just recently upgraded to a 6600xt and was wondering what cpu I should upgrade to that would be a good match

[hard leaf]

any 12th gen and 5000 amd cpu will match perfectly

well from 5600 and up

if you use it only for gaming a 5600 or a 12400f is more than enough... add more cores if you are into video editing or cad applications

[burnt spear]

depends on current cpu

[tight swallow]

ryzen 5 2400g 💀

[burnt spear]

what mobo?

[ruby basin]

uh, do i have to worry??

[eternal helm]

not at all

its totally all good

[ruby basin]

even with a 3060?

[hard leaf]

no

[cursive epoch]

this is only for cpu power

nothing to worry

[hard leaf]

long story: your mobo have one extra connector for your cpu while your psu dont have that cable, but you wont need that additional 4 pin connector because thats usually reserved for extreme oc and your 660 is not fitted for extreme oc

[cursive epoch]

wait for mobo power, but it's all good with a 3060

[hard leaf]

short version: that connector is pointless

[cursive epoch]

ye

[hard leaf]

why 660s mobo have an additional eps connector is beyond me

[ruby basin]

very good news to hear in the morning, thanks yall

[cursive epoch]

cause yes

but tho it does benefit cpus with unlocked tdp available

like pl2 on 12600k and such

and that's it

[hard leaf]

i read somewhere that it provides more "clean" power to the cpu but that remains as an urban legend

funny thing: general wisdom on forums is "if your psu have the additional cable then just plug it in because... why not?"

and im like: less cables at the back? 👀

[grizzled bloom]

It's more about voltage stability. When you load up the 12v rail the voltage can drop a bit. Adding more wires helps.

Certain power supplies this can help more than others

[sterile flower]

Pull a jufes and solder them back on

[sudden creek]

What are the top 3 AIOs for both 360mm and 420mm? My Focus is more on the radiator and pump it has as I plan to swap out the fans.
Please ping me when you reply, and thank you for helping.

[vast meadow]

For 360 : arctic liquid freezer ii
Ek rgb
Lian li Galahad
(Maybe deepcools new one, ls70?)
For 420 arctic liquid freezer ii is the clear winner

[grizzled bloom]

If you're going to be changing the fans anyway you can save some money and get the EVGA CLC. The only issue with that one is the stock fans are loud, it performs pretty well.

[sudden creek]

Arctic vs EVGA which has a better rad and pump?

[grizzled bloom]

Arctic has a thick radiator, more than most other AIOs. It also comes with their p12/p14 fans, which are excellent.

[sudden creek]

Got it, would the pump have issues if rotated to it's side? The Mobo I am getting rotates the CPU socket.

[vast meadow]

No issue

[sudden creek]

Got it.

I can't remember, the Sl-Infinity fans. Are they airflow or pressure fans?

[vast meadow]

Uni fans?

[sudden creek]

Yea.

[vast meadow]

Fun but meh for the price

[sudden creek]

The price is fine with me as it will save me a lot of work and they look nice. Though was asking because I plan to swap out the fans on the Freezer for Sl-Infinity fans.

[agile jolt]

I hear the term ram timing alot

What exactly is it

I assume it's something I should change

[burnt spear]

the cl

ex: 3200c16, timing is 16. Then there's secondary timings ex: 3200c16-16-16-38, the secondary timings are 16-16-38

then there's subtimings, which are a whole nother thing that i really don't understand

atleast that's as I understand it, some of those terms could be wrong

[agile jolt]

I see

Is there benefit to changing it?

[burnt spear]

yes, but it can be hard/annoying

well

I won't say yes, depends on what you're doing

if you're ram tuning, then probably

[agile jolt]

Alright

Thanks

[grizzled bloom]

That would be a downgrade on fan quality. You'd be sacrificing performance for looks.

[sudden creek]

Shouldn't be a big difference performance wise.

Isn't it like a 10% difference in performance?

[grizzled bloom]

It's hard to measure but 10% is pretty significant. That can mean the difference between throttling and not.

[dull flint]

It'll be a bit more than 10%, the size of the fans are some 20-25% smaller than a standard 120mm so they would need to spin a lot faster to make up for that size difference, but these only go to 2100 rpm, much like a normal fan.
Think of it more like the difference between 120mm and 140mm. They'll spin the same speed but one pushes a lot more air due to bigger fan blades and surface area

[sudden creek]

Mhmm.

What's the next closest thing to the SL-Infinity fans?

[grizzled bloom]

There's a list of recommended fans in the #old-cooling pins, including pics.

[dull flint]

probably cooler master sf120m argb

pricey tho

I would just pick arctic p12 argb

or inwin sirius loops

[grizzled bloom]

The stock fans that come on the liquid freezer a-rgb variant look fine to me, and perform great.

[dull flint]

oh yeah those are p12/p14 argb already

[tight swallow]

I just recently upgraded to a 6600xt and was wondering if getting a Ryzen 5 5600X would be a good cpu to go with it

[cerulean wadi]

Sure

[grizzled bloom]

If you're just gaming save a few bucks and get a 5600 non X

[dull flint]

basically same thing, just cheaper and no X

unless you like your ex

• leaves over bad yoke *

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly. It games the same. Only difference is in CPU heavy workstation tasks.

[cerulean wadi]

Lately I see em $5-10 apart on some sites is all.

[grizzled bloom]

In gaming they're within measurement error range. Almost no difference.

[tight swallow]

alright so there would really be no need for a 5600x even for more demanding games like rust and escape from tarkov?

[grizzled bloom]

Correct

[tight swallow]

okay thanks

[grizzled bloom]

https://youtu.be/ifI9nnmW5sg

[tight swallow]

okay thank you for the help, and thanks for helping me pick out a 6600xt like a month ago lmao

[dull flint]

@hard leaf

[sudden creek]

Think I will get this.

I was gonna pay 29.99/fan if I had gone with the Lian Li SL-Infinity fans anyway.

So if it means better performance with good aesthetics I guess I will switch to the CM SF120s.

[hard leaf]

yeah thermaltake is the only way for a good build... good job intel

[sudden creek]

?

TT owns CM?

[hard leaf]

no no, that wasnt for you xD

[grizzled bloom]

The thermalright one was good too

[hard leaf]

yeah wallmart ones kinda sucked

[sudden creek]

Oh okay, I was so confused.

[dull flint]

so that was my i9 when I took the cooler off yesterday

I got the thermalright plate on now

[dim cloak]

I need that so core 2 can stop suffering

[sudden creek]

What is the best waterblock for LGA 1700?

[hollow thorn]

prob like an ek monoblock depending on board

[errant grail]

how do i fix this?

[vast meadow]

You're trying to load a saved bios profile from previous bios version?

[errant grail]

no

i kinda touch the cpu clock speed i believe

and this happened

[errant grail]

so anything i can fix this? ive cleared the cmos but still get this

i can still boot to windows if i press load optimize defaults but just wanted to get rid of this

[vast meadow]

Would try enter bios, clear your settings in bios, reboot, then enable xmp and cpu clock again

[sudden creek]

Are there any other mobos that have all the bells and whistles like the EVGA classified or kingpin motherboards while staying within $550?

[vast meadow]

Are you going to do ln2 overclocking?

If not there's no point spending that much money on a board

[sudden creek]

I don't plan on using Ln2. Not right now at least. Though I liked the board as it has every thing you need for extreme overclocking.

Currently in search for a mobo that performs as well as the classified or kingpin in just about every way so I have some options to pick from.

[vast meadow]

Apart from 1dpc for memory oc it doesn't really have anything special

[sudden creek]

1dpc?

Sorry, I am not aware of that abbreviation.

[vast meadow]

1 dim per channel

Ie 2 ram slots instead of 4

[sudden creek]

yes.

Let's use the classified as a better comparison (will cost me $60 more then the kingpin though).

[vast meadow]

What features do you actually want on it apart from 1dpc and good vrms tho?

I mean do you even wanna oc memory that hard?

[sudden creek]

For the fun of it and slight extra performance yes.

[vast meadow]

Like you can memory oc very well on a lot of 2dpc boards and save hundreds of dollars and you might get 50mhz 10mhz less ram speed which is practically indifferent

[sudden creek]

For features, I'd like to have very good Vrams, 1dpc (2dps is fine if no choice), capabillity for lots of over clocking, preferably 2 high speed ethernet ports, lots of USB 3.2. Those are my main discerning factors on my mobos of choice currently.

That and bios.

[hard leaf]

dont take this in the wrong way... but from what i saw all these days you just want to overspend just for the sake of overspending

[midnight pollen]

No filter avoid

[hard leaf]

there is a lot of other cheaper mobos that can fulfill what you want to do without that much overspending, if you are not going to ln2 ocing

[sudden creek]

I am not very knowledgable in Motherboards sorry about that.

[hard leaf]

then why you want to spend that much?

[sudden creek]

I am willing to go up to $500 for a good mobo if it means good bios, looks, and lots of neat feature.

[burnt spear]

that asus b550 is fine

it'll run the 5900x without issue

[sudden creek]

If there is like a $300 mobo with the same stuff I'd be fine with that.

[burnt spear]

just overpriced

[cursive epoch]

spending money is one thing, but wasting it is another

[midnight pollen]

Not many consumer mobos i know of that have 2 eth ports, thats really only enterprise or server space but you could get a network card separately

[sudden creek]

I plan to use the new 13th gen cpus once those are out, so B550 won't work.

[cursive epoch]

$300+ mobos are only needed for extreme overclocking

[burnt spear]

oh wait

you're a different person

[hard leaf]

those weird proart mobos come with 2 ethernet ports 😛

[sudden creek]

That's what I plan to do.

[vast meadow]

The only real special feature is the 1dpc and creature comforts tbh, i would get
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qsPQzy/gigabyte-z690-aorus-tachyon-eatx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-aorus-tachyon
Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4Gbt6/msi-meg-z690-unify-x-atx-lga1700-motherboard-meg-z690-unify-x
If you really want 1dpc
But would get this personally
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gyytt6/gigabyte-z690-aorus-pro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-aorus-pro @sudden creek

[burnt spear]

Do you care about overclocking?

[cursive epoch]

extreme overclocking as in like

using liquid nitrogen

[midnight pollen]

I didn’t even know asus had a proart line of mobo

[sudden creek]

Yes.

[cursive epoch]

not cooling with aio and stuff

[burnt spear]

ah

[hard leaf]

if i were into oc i should take the unify

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay, then no. I am not crazy enough to use LN2 on a brand new CPU.

[cursive epoch]

but unify is still a solid choice

[burnt spear]

just wait a day, then do ln2

[cursive epoch]

lol

[sudden creek]

Lmao, no ty.

[burnt spear]

also ignore the b550 comment, thought you were someone else

[hard leaf]

however, no point rn anyway if what you want is an 13900ks, if you have that much cash to spend then go straigth to a z790

[sudden creek]

Hmmm, how long does it usually take after new gen CPUs release for the mobos to follow?

[midnight pollen]

dang they got thunderbolt and 10gig too

I need one of these

[sudden creek]

Because I mighty do that.

[sudden creek]

That's nice.

What mobo is that?

[hard leaf]

must be a proart z690

[vast meadow]

then just get the Gigabyte Z690 AORUS PRO

[midnight pollen]

the z690 proart creator

[sudden creek]

Are those different?

[midnight pollen]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1670824-REG/asus_90mb19h0_m0aay0_proart_z690_creator_wifi_lga.html

[vast meadow]

Also yeah wait til z790 if you're going 13th gen

[midnight pollen]

wow has 3month of adobe free too

[vast meadow]

Proart is always so overpriced

[midnight pollen]

honestly that doesnt seem bad at all considering its 2.5g 10g ethernet, thunderbolt, etc

[hard leaf]

is not bad

[vast meadow]

Thunderbolt is only redeeming quality for that price rbh

[hard leaf]

its a good mobo

just way overpriced

[sudden creek]

What's the difference between Z790 vs 690?

[vast meadow]

Z790 will come out with 13th gen and have some improvements no doubt, we don't know what yet tho

[hard leaf]

jk, 790 is the upcoming mobo series for 13th gen

[sudden creek]

Got it. I knew that 690 mobos would support 13th but wasn't sure if there'd be any actual improvements.

[hard leaf]

thing is, 700 series will be for sure an improvement over 600 series

but they will be overpriced as well at launch

[vast meadow]

2.5gb is on the z690 a pro (ddr5 version is 145$)

Pretty standard now

[sudden creek]

Guess I will wait for the new mobos and CPUs to come out before I look for those.

In the mean time I need to figure out what I am gonna do for CLC.

[hard leaf]

my advice is to research in deep about motherboard features used on ocing

[midnight pollen]

not thunderbolt though

[hard leaf]

and why they are used

[sudden creek]

Any recommended articles for me to go read up on?

[vast meadow]

Yes hence TB being proarts only redeeming feature

[midnight pollen]

thunderbolt is pretty important to some creatives, although pcs in general are not very popular with creatives lol

[hard leaf]

dunno, maybe someone else can help you with that

im not into oc myself

[sudden creek]

Got it.

[vast meadow]

I answered this a few days ago

[hard leaf]

thats why overpriced mobos for me could be potentially good on the eyes of someone into oc

[sudden creek]

?

[vast meadow]

^ @sudden creek

[hard leaf]

and some pretty good mobos to oc in my eyes could be garbage in the eyes of an overclocker

[sudden creek]

Oh on that I decided to switch to a custom loop.

[vast meadow]

Clc is aio

Closes liquid cooling?

Idk what the last c stands for

[sudden creek]

I thought it meant Custom Liquid Cooling.

[cursive epoch]

nah

[vast meadow]

Nope

[sudden creek]

Wups.

[vast meadow]

Custom loop or open loop

[cursive epoch]

clc is an aio with closed loop

aio = closed loop

[sudden creek]

I am gonna go with a custom loop.

Though since this is new to me I am gonna need some help if you don't mind....

I figured I'd try something new and would also make for a much nicer PC system and give me something to kill time with.

[vast meadow]

My advice would probably be to ask @long geyser for some help, they're good with custom loops

[sudden creek]

Got it.

Also to make sure, for a custom loop I'd need these correct?

Pump/res, fittings, tube, waterblock(s), rad

[vast meadow]

Ye

[sudden creek]

Any recommended waterblocks for CPU? Preferably with a screen but not needed.

Are Thermaltake and Corsair CPU waterblocks good?

[hard leaf]

go EK

they are expensive but as far as i know, reliable

[long geyser]

No, EK is overpriced and just as reliable as anyone else

[sudden creek]

....

So who do I go with?

[long geyser]

If you're spending that much money on CPU blocks then TechN for AMD or Heatkiller for Intel. Cheaper stuff like Bykski, Barrow, and Bitspower are also not much worse then EK/Corsair stuff for significantly cheaper. I usually would go with cheap but decent Chinese stuff unless one is getting a 300w+ CPU (12900k/13900k or smth), or high heat density CPU like 5800x (pretty rare to run into this issue).

For GPU blocks, I'd generally just recommend Bykski or Barrow unless one is trying to do a competitive OC. They tend to be the cheapest options for nothing noticable in perf differences (and are sometimes the best options depending on GPU PCB). If one is trying to do best of best then you'd need to know specific GPU and find the best model for that PCB (No real company is the winner here for average use case).

For rads, bit to think about here. Best one can usually get is Hardware Labs stuff. Corsair's rads OEM is also Hardware Labs so Corsair rads are top quality. That said don't really have to go highest quality. Pretty sure Alphacool is cheaper and not that bad, afaik they're well recommended. As per usual for Bykski and Barrow, they are also not bad for the price - Not super amazing in rads tho and not as high on my recommendation list.

For bits fittings (edit: wrote bits too many times I guess lol) I believe Bitspower is still considered one of the best. Iirc they use to be considered the best some years ago now but idk how well updated that info is. Tho it's pretty hard to get a bad bit from any company. I'd prolly just get cheapest from whoever (Barrow, Bitspower, Bykski, Corsair, EK, etc).

D5 Pump is generally considered the best pump. Tho there are either some lemons out there or a few variations of the D5 pump as I've heard of a few unfortunate issues with it (pump propeller getting damaged due to internal pump base not being machined correctly. Easy to replace the propeller but any propeller put in the pump will be not really usable after a shortish period of time so gotta constantly replace it). There are also DDC pumps which are worse and have a lot more variety. They are typically louder and weaker (won't always be an issue, usually only for loops that have a high flow impedance).

[echo dome]

Guys should I pick an i5-12400F over R5 5600x? I am upgrading my pc

[echo dome]

I see the intel one is a bit cheaper

[sudden creek]

So this is what I should go with if I am understanding you correct? Also before I forget, thank you very much for helping me. I really appreciate it.

CPU block: Heatkiller
GPU block: whichever is best for Strix or FTW3
Rads: 420mm Corsair or Hardware Labs
Pump: D5 pump probably from like Corsair, EKWB, or Thermaltake
Bits: probably just go with EK or Corsair depending on which I get so everything matches up.

[vast meadow]

12400f

[echo dome]

cheers mate

[sudden creek]

Well that's annoying.

Heatkiller isn't available for shipping to MX.

[tight swallow]

I’m planning on buying a ryzen 5 5600x and was wondering if I need to/should buy a new motherboard to go with it, my current motherboard is an asrock b450m pro4

[burnt spear]

Should be fine if you update bios

Also just get a 5600, cheaper for pretty much the same performance

[tight swallow]

for me in canada the two are basically the same price rn, that’s why I was going to go with the 5600x

[tight swallow]

would it be beneficial to buy a new motherboard though or not really?

[burnt spear]

Meh, asrock mobos are pretty meh but it's a 65w cpu

What cpu do you currently have?

[tight swallow]

I have a ryzen 5 2400g, when playing games it’ll be in the 90s for usage while my 6600xt is in the low 30s 💀

[burnt spear]

Hmm

I'd wait for someone else then, I'm not sure

I think it should be fine for gaming

[tight swallow]

are you talking about my current motherboard?

could anyone else help me out with this?

[vast meadow]

Sound's about right btw get the 5600 non x and save like 30$ they're basically the same

[tight swallow]

gotcha and so should I upgrade from my asrock b450m pro4 motherboard or would there be no point?

[vast meadow]

nah just update the bios on it

[tight swallow]

alright so I just have to download the top one here?

[vast meadow]

what bios version are you on rn? you can check in bios or with cpu z

@tight swallow ^

[sudden creek]

What does Standard G1/4” Threads mean on a waterblock?

[vast meadow]

they are 1/4 inches

[sudden creek]

What is that in mm?

[hollow thorn]

tbf I think EK is the only one doing monoblocks with specific board partners

[tight swallow]

American Megatrends Inc. P1.60, 2018-11-05

[hollow thorn]

6.35mm
could also just google 0.25 in to mm

[sudden creek]

480x40mm vs 360x64mm radiator. Which would be better?

[vast meadow]

so you will need to download and run this driver first before updating bios https://download.asrock.com/Drivers/AMD/AllIn1/Allin1(v18.10.20_NHDA).zip
then you will need to update to 2.0

then you can update to 5.30

the most latest

but dont do that last bit until you have the 5600

because it will not work with your 2400g

[tight swallow]

oh okay so should so just wait till I have installed the new cpu before doing all of this?

[vast meadow]

Might as well

[tight swallow]

and how do I update to 2.0?

oh wait that’s just on the update page for the motherboard

[vast meadow]

if you press instant flash it actually has a guide on how to do it

[tight swallow]

and so even though getting a 5600x only costs $20 CAD more there’s no point getting that over the 5600

[vast meadow]

nah

[tight swallow]

when installing the new cpu is there anything special I have to do before that?

[vast meadow]

just update bios before the cpu

[tight swallow]

okay so

1. download and run the driver
2. update to 2.0
3. update to 5.30
4. install the new ryzen 5 5600

[vast meadow]

yep

[tight swallow]

great, thank you for the help!

[vast meadow]

np

[long geyser]

Yeah, sounds about right. Tho I'll have to confirm on Heatkiller for ALD. I havent looked at best block for ALD, tho Heatkiller has usually been the better buy for most (recent?) of the Intel generations. There be some big IHS changes with ALD so maybe Heatkiller failed this time around (which is unlikely, but hey, ). GPU blocks should be available from any company given you're going for the popular PCB, so its just a matter of finding which block has the highest fin density (usually). The pump you could prolly get off Aliexpress from some Chinese company like Barrow or Bykski as they seem to be okay. Could also get a D5 from Alphacool or Aquacomputer. Lots of options to find a cheap pump. I think the machining issue might be a lemon that doesnt need to be worried about.

Also I wouldnt entirely recommend this, but you can go for Optimus for GPU block and maybe CPU block as they are the best but at a really high cost (better but much more expensive manufacturing process then a typical block). Given you seem to be trying to get the higher end stuff thought I'd recommend it. IMO I wouldnt really recommend it, kinda like getting a 3090Ti so to speak with the high price and diminishing returns. But if you have da money, might as well.

Also, if you like having nicely customizable hardware control the fans outside of PC software, I'd recommend Aquacomputer. They have some nice fan controllers with temp probe plugs (for liquid temp sensors).

[long geyser]

Havent really looked into it, but ig. Tho IMO monoblocks kinda dumb, extra "useless" heat into CPU(+GPU?) loop. Should be at least a small tiny bit of airflow over mobo ignoring VRMs IMO, which would fix most VRM issues as many VRM issues come from lack of airflow (apart from AsRock Intel boards lol)

[hollow thorn]

but why would you splurge on hefty block without splurging on monoblock :p

Sure vrms won't need it but uh splurging

[karmic perch]

Wish they will release early.

🥳

[vast meadow]

I'm disappointed about the 7600x pricing tbh

[cursive epoch]

299

but im not surprised

amd being amd

im gonna wait for perf figures

compared to 13th gen that's also coming soon

13400 might actually perform better

at least in multi core, single is probably a tie

[vast meadow]

13400 won't be available til January most likely tho

[cursive epoch]

yeah

but i'd say it's worth waiting for

paying 299 for 6 cores right at launch doesn't sound good

when intel has more for less

im not too obsessed with core count but when the other competitor offers more for less, and especially if single core is still very good. it's a no brainer to go for cheaper one

[dull flint]

$10 more gets you twice that with a cheaper mobo and ram on ADL

I really feel like the OC discord hit the nail on the head, it's almost DOA lol

[cerulean wadi]

5600X was $300, but still. Intel is gonna kill at the mid/low end w/ the 13400/13500

[long geyser]

AMD better have some baller perf improvements as their $400 7700x might just be equal to a $300 12700

[vast meadow]

Unfortunate thing is that misses the Christmas rush then :/

[cursive epoch]

tru

it misses christmas rush

missed opportunity by intel

but however 13600k will still be spicy

if it manages to come out in september

[vast meadow]

Yeah and idk bout the rest of yall but i was saying bad pricing would usually recommend 10400/11400 even tho not as good

[cursive epoch]

ryzen 7000's only saving grace is the fanboys if it doesn't have huge improvements

aka dead on arrival product

cause like, 13900k will have more cores right out of the bat compared to 5900x

or amd will have to dump prices and hope they get people to buy (which will have to happen anyway at this rate)

[silver turret]

TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta TUF DDR4 16GB (8GBx2) 3200MHz (PC4-25600) CL16 Desktop Memory Module ram - TF9D416G3200HC16CDC01 - （TUF Alliance RGB Module）,10540033 https://amzn.eu/d/9NT1pO3

Good or bad

[vast meadow]

@silver turret stop deleting and pinging people

[silver turret]

Ok

[vast meadow]

It's fine ye

[night vessel]

[silver turret]

Yea because i gtg go so yea

[vast meadow]

Thing is as well as 300$ cpu price you needa consider the mobo and ram as well and 80$ for 32gb of ddr4 vs like 180$ for ddr5 :/

[silver turret]

tomorrow i am go to but it so

[vast meadow]

Doesn't matter don't do it again

[silver turret]

Good or no

[silver turret]

Yea

[vast meadow]

I already said

It's fine

[cursive epoch]

oh yah

i completely forgot about am5

lol

ddr5 cost is still big

[silver turret]

Ok

[silver turret]

But is it good

[cursive epoch]

pato already said it is good

[dull flint]

[cursive epoch]

bruh

[dull flint]

he already said

[silver turret]

Is it good

[dull flint]

read

[silver turret]

This

[cursive epoch]

dude

pato already gave you the word

[vast meadow]

RAM IS RAM

[cursive epoch]

no need to ask anyone else

[vast meadow]

Jesus

[dull flint]

so new contact frame on

looking like I can do 5.2p

but need to do some undervolt trickery

[cursive epoch]

okay back to am5, i think ryzen 7000 will have a hard, if not very hard time competing with 13th gen

[silver turret]

Yea but not corsair

[dull flint]

[cursive epoch]

corsair ram is actually bad

unless you go for the overpriced kits

[vast meadow]

Corsair ram is usually overpriced

Not always

[vast meadow]

It really doesn't matter that much just get the cheapest 3200mhz c16 kit

[cursive epoch]

^

[vast meadow]

The walmart one

[silver turret]

Ok

[dull flint]

thermalrite

[cursive epoch]

i hope that got the words across

[dull flint]

[silver turret]

#old-cooling

[vast meadow]

Stop doing this just get some patience

[silver turret]

Ok sorry

[dull flint]

NOOOOO

IT'LL DO 5.2 LOCKED

BUT NOT 1.275V

[vast meadow]

Hmm?

[dull flint]

12900KF

all core

5.2p 4e

clock watchdog timeouts scare me I lost a full windows install once because of that, corrupted the windows hello sign in so I got stuck out of my sign in

[vast meadow]

Lmao

[dull flint]

ah well, changing the aio on it soon to something better so see how it goes

on a good note the system is dead quiet now filled with p12's

[vast meadow]

P12 superiority, just don't let them spin at ~900-1050 rpm

[dull flint]

yea i know

[vast meadow]

Then there's a weird motor humm

[dull flint]

reeeeee

[vast meadow]

It's very weird that it happens

[dull flint]

they all do it tho

[vast meadow]

Literally quieter at max rpm than 900 rpm

[dull flint]

20+ P12's on me now and they all do that sound

comfortable 5.1p 4.0e all core at 93C

guess I'll live with this until eisbaer pro

might even lap the cpu

[cursive epoch]

ah yes

the effect of being frequent ocing server member

[dull flint]

if I can gain performance I will

intel won't honor my warranty anyway keklamao

ah wait did I post the TR frame pic?

[cursive epoch]

idk

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

I might just set the baseline for my fans above that 1050 ish rpm threshold and not worry about fan life since they're literally like €5.50 each

[vast meadow]

Very stonks

[vast meadow]

https://youtu.be/BcSLsqcZw8I

[hard leaf]

👀

need to see reviewers benchmarks... not convinced about am5

to me rpl will feast on amd real soon

[vast meadow]

Ddr5 - decent kit 220$ + at least 300$ cpu + at least 150$ mobo is a big ask

And ddr5 is more in eu and stuff sooo

[vast meadow]

Interesting there's going to also be a b650 extreme

[dull flint]

they already talked of a B650 tachyon so I'm a bit convinced that B650 should be enough for the full experience

another case of B550 stonks

[hard leaf]

another gen of 550s over 570s history repeats itself xD

[hard leaf]

beautiful barebone b650

[cursive epoch]

da heck is this

oh wait bare mobo, ye

what a color scheme

splash of colors lmao

[hard leaf]

yeah kinda... wack

seems like a nice vrm line up anyway

more than enough for a budget to mid build

if ddr5 can be considered "budget" at this point 😛

[cursive epoch]

yeeeah

ddr5

one big obstacle to am5

imo they shoulda gone with something like

am4+

new socket

[vast meadow]

Beauty is...... Subjective

[silver turret]

https://www.amazon.in/Redragon-K630-Dragonborn-Keyboard-Mechanical/dp/B08Y8QY5NS/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2KIJAJR4UAJF6&keywords=60+percent+mechanical+keyboard&qid=1661869483&s=computers&sprefix=60%2Ccomputers%2C261&sr=1-4 GOOD or bad

[vast meadow]

Issue was the ddr5 choice was done like 2 years ago or something, would have taken a while to add ddr4 controller although they almost pushed it back a year for ddr5 prices, you think they could have added a ddr4 controller in that time even as an add on

[cursive epoch]

that's definitely enough time to put ddr4 controller back on

[silver turret]

soo beautiful

[silver turret]

@vast meadow is this good

[hard leaf]

hopefully ddr5 prices must be competitive by the time am5 hits the shelves

something near 150usd for a cheaper 32 gb 5200 kit at least

could make am5 builds a budget alternative over intel

[silver turret]

can anyone tell me if this is good

[vast meadow]

bro stop

last warning

[silver turret]

what did i do

[vast meadow]

kept asking and pinging ppl with no context

its annoying

go ask in #peripherals-and-displays

[silver turret]

i only pinged u

ok

[vast meadow]

It's annoying i didn't answer cuz me idk

[silver turret]

Ooook

[finite elm]

You can get 32gb DDR5 for like 130$ if you catch a sale Was in #tech-deals a lil bit ago

[hard leaf]

oh rigth the 5200c40

[vast meadow]

was this accounting for the 2tb ssd tho?

[hard leaf]

my bad forgot totally about that one

no no

its another kit

[vast meadow]

5200c40 is practially jedec

[hard leaf]

the nvme deal is with a 6000c30 kit

[finite elm]

32gb 5600c36 for $155 (not much more than a 3600c16 kit) https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820331839?Item=N82E16820331839&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-839-_-08152022
155

[hard leaf]

that like 350usd + 2tb nvme 5000r/w

[hard leaf]

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820331846?Item=N82E16820331846

[vast meadow]

thats 180 rn tho cant count on sale

[finite elm]

I mean you can always wait for a sale

No need to rush when we've seen sales happen

[vast meadow]

the one revell linked is best deal atm

[finite elm]

Yea

[hard leaf]

yeah its pretty good

the timings are nice

and the nvme is... nice as well

not the best gen4 but 2 tb and faster than the best gen 3 drives anyway

[finite elm]

I don't get the pessimism for AMD 7000 🤔 Y'all are acting like they're gonna pull an intel and stagnate between 5000 series and 7000 series lol.

The 5800x3d already beat the 12700k for single core. I wouldn't expect the 7700x to be a step down from that and lose against it.

[vast meadow]

no its just you have to take whole system cost into consideration plus 13th gen will be out v soon and still use ddr4

[finite elm]

Pricey, yes. But the gaming performance will more than likely be fine. The 13900k having more cores doesn't make it better than the 7900x, we've already seen this play out before lol. never forget the AMD FX 8350

[hard leaf]

7700x and up are fine... but the 6 core "budget" one is 300usd and you need to account on ddr5 as well

thats the problem

[finite elm]

Yeah but they also only do 2 gens per socket

[hard leaf]

like, 8 cores and up is understandable not to be cheap because those are not oriented for gamers, but the "budget" options are not real budget anymore

unlike intel and the 12400 or 12100 variants

extremely budget friendly for gamers

its like amd missed the memo, gamers = need affordable prices

[finite elm]

Happens more than likely due to how their modular CCX's work.

[hard leaf]

the performance is there, no doubt on that... the price for the whole platform is the problem

[hollow thorn]

Cheap single ccx chips like 3300x kinda didn't happen for Zen 3

Node too expensive now prob

[finite elm]

You're paying for the 8 core CCX with 2 cores removed on the 5600x and 7600x.

so 3/4ths the price Makes sense. sadly. As you are getting 3/4ths of the product.

[vast meadow]

yes but 7600x + mobo + ddr5 32gb = 300 + 180? + 180 = 630 vs 13600kf + mobo + 32gb ddr4 = 280 + 120 + 80 = 480$ and has 6 p cores and 8 e cores

[hollow thorn]

It's still the same silicon, they can still only get that many chips on the same wafer

[vast meadow]

top precent ^

[finite elm]

Thats what I'm saying

[hollow thorn]

They can't really do much cheaper

Esp if it goes to n5

[finite elm]

They make 8 core CCX's. They don't make a smaller CCX, they alter it for the 6 core and 12 core CPU's

[hollow thorn]

But yea budget Zen 4 prob isn't happening

Maybe they'll backport it to n7 for a budget chip but we'll see

[finite elm]

Which is probably why they are doing the mendicino CPU's for budget laptops

2 to 4 Zen 2 cores

[hard leaf]

thing is, at that price point, intel will destroy amd on the budget level and even on the mid level because cheaper and capable cpus, mobos and ddr4 support, and yes, 14th gen surely land on ddr5 only but by that time ddr5 kits will be more affordable (maybe at top performers ddr4 prices).

rpl dont need to match zen4 performance on the budget tier to win, the price for the whole system will grab the crown for intel anyway

maybe amd have the 7600 non x and 7500 already on the oven for the second round o.O not to mention the X3D variants on early 2023

to go toe to toe against the 13500

[vast meadow]

when the ryzen 5 is practically priced against the i7 k with high end ram its kind of embarrassing and then add to that that people can reuse their ddr4 ram its like ....

[finite elm]

Intel has the price advantage because they have their own fabricator

[hard leaf]

more like the ddr4 advantage

[finite elm]

AMD is competing price wise with NVidia and other companies for TSMC

[vast meadow]

well they do also have fab advantage but most of it coming from ddr4

[hard leaf]

upgrading your system using your old ddr4 kits saves you a lot of money and make the decision easier about intel/amd

[finite elm]

300$ for I7, 300$ for Ryzen 5.

Thats what I'm talking about

[hard leaf]

even if both intel and amd cpus are tied on the price range

[hollow thorn]

AMD is also supposed to be using a more advanced node for io die again so that's even more added price

[vast meadow]

unfortunately the consumers dont really care...

[hollow thorn]

Although that might mean AMD's claims that they work better with ddr5 might hold some weight

Who knows, maybe adl imc actually sucks, we just have nothing to compare it against

[finite elm]

They already said they support up to 6400mhz while intel will only do 4800mhz without overclocking it manually iirc

[hollow thorn]

What if the limits of ddr5 memory as we know them are just limits of adl imc and not the ram?

:p

Just fun things to think about

[hard leaf]

on alder lake....

everyone and their grandmas know that the real battle will be against raptor lake

[vast meadow]

biggest ddr5 limiter so far has been 2dpc imo

[finite elm]

13th Gen Raptor Lake With Up To DDR5-5600 Compatibility So still AMD will have faster RAM on that end.

[vast meadow]

ehhhhh intel never officially supported anywhere near what their imc can do

[finite elm]

Well assuming the opposite doesn't help anyone either

Zen3+ works pretty well with DDR5 already

Was there a DDR4 compatibility issue with Zen 1?

[vast meadow]

uhhh zen 1 was a mess

respectfully

try run 4 sticks of ddr5 over 4800mhz

[finite elm]

On an Intel CPU that only officially supports 4800mhz?

That doesn't translate to AMD?

[hard leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-geller-david-schwimmer-friends-pure-evil-evil-gif-15405298

[vast meadow]

11900k "officially" supports only 3200mhz yet it can do 6000mhz+ on ddr4 with the right stick

[finite elm]

Different architecture but okay

[vast meadow]

12900k only officially supports 3200mhz on ddr4, same thing

[finite elm]

You're pointing out problems with Intel CPU's to Suggest AMD will have a problem

Thats Rich

[hard leaf]

i will cut him some slack in that point to @finite elm he is right, we still dont have any benchmark to prove if am5 will be as terrible to support 4 sticks of ddr5 as alder lake is

looking forward to the review embargo lift

[vast meadow]

huh?

[finite elm]

assuming it will be broken on AMD because it is on Intel is not fair

[vast meadow]

thats not a problem

[finite elm]

You all started it

[hard leaf]

thats also a valid point (what rommy said)

[finite elm]

"as their $400 7700x might just be equal to a $300 12700" This is "Fair" without benchmarks? but going by official support is not?

[silver turret]

https://www.amazon.in/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-3200MHz-PC4-25600-Desktop/dp/B07WRGQPDH/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2CGIZ8K6EOF1I&keywords=TEAMGROUP+T-Force+Delta+TUF+DDR4+16GB+(8GBx2)+3200MHz+(PC4-25600)+CL16+Desktop+Memory+Module+ram+-+TF9D416G3200HC16CDC01+-+（TUF+Alliance+RGB+Module）%2C10540033&qid=1661879111&sprefix=teamgroup+t-force+delta+tuf+ddr4+16gb+8gbx2+3200mhz+pc4-25600+cl16+desktop+memory+module+ram+-+tf9d416g3200hc16cdc01+-+tuf+alliance+rgb+module+%2C10540033%2Caps%2C540&sr=8-1 good?

[finite elm]

Y'all talk a lot of trash without any benchmarks but want to complain about me citing official support of a simple number

I cited a single official number on DDR5 speed

but go on

[vast meadow]

you have already asked

stop

[silver turret]

no

[vast meadow]

yes you did

[silver turret]

i asked what ram do i get

[finite elm]

"We have no official numbers so you can't say anything"
Except that number which is official. but it doesn't count

So only be madge at amd.

Pato literally upvoted that comment btw

[vast meadow]

we already told you

[finite elm]

7700x worse than 5800x3d. 100%

Totally

5800x3d already beat the 12700.

Explain why AMD would take a step back

[silver turret]

that is too expensive

[finite elm]

5800x3d > 12700 > 7700x ACCORDING TO THAT COMMENT

When did I ever say you did

I said PATO

[vast meadow]

in games yes, but thats just from pure chache alone lol

7700x has not much more chache than 5800x

[silver turret]

and yea if u tell it is good i will not ask

[finite elm]

so now cache is the sole measurement of performance?

No other improvements

Alright

[burnt spear]

I think yall are getting a lil heated here

[vast meadow]

no lol obviously clocks and ipc lol

[burnt spear]

We will know very soon, there's no reason to argue with eachother

[vast meadow]

we did

[finite elm]

So why would 7700x perform worse

[silver turret]

not this one

[silver turret]

i dont know someone told me a 8k ram but this is 5k so

[vast meadow]

never said that ...

[finite elm]

"as their $400 7700x might just be equal to a $300 12700" you upvoted

which means the 7700x performs worse than the 5800x3d.

[vast meadow]

@silver turret

[silver turret]

Oooo yea i have bad memory sorry

[burnt spear]

Well soon you'll have good memory

Aha ram joke

[silver turret]

but no RgB

RgB = 9999999 fPs anD hAcK

ok

yo see #peripherals-and-displays is it good

[long geyser]

Doubt it, AMD has no in house fabs. Order date to shipment of product date is usually 7 - 8 months for those without an in house fab usually (So basically only Intel has short process times). With two years that leaves you with one tested beta test and one tested "final" version (planned final version, allowing one more actual final version), or two tested beta tests and one testless final version.

That said idk what AMD can do with such low amt of test samples, maybe they could do it fine. But it really isn't that much time to play around.

[long geyser]

The only thing that changed with 5800x to 5800x3d was cache. The 5800x has 64KB/512KB/32MB cache, 5800x3d has 64KB/512KB/96MB cache, and 7700x has 64KB/1MB/32MB cache. It's a "mid" end CPU that already beats the high end in cache bound only scenarios, so it's already a weird one. Given the 7700x barely has any more cache then the 5800x then what matters now is if the new improvements in clocks, IPC, and memory can make it reasonably better then existing CPUs. It isn't unreasonable to think the 5800x3d beats the 7700x in like 7z decompression or smth, which is completely cache bound.

[long geyser]

On AMDs site for 7700x memory support:

Memory Channels: 2

Max Memory Speed:
1x1R: 5200 MT/s
1x2R: 5200 MT/s
2x1R: 3600 MT/s
2x2R: 3600 MT/s

So looks like AMD won't have fun with two DIMMs per channel.

[main pulsar]

very few need more than 2x16gb to begin with

even so

this is funny

[long geyser]

I assume one could get over 3600MT/s as that seems pretty damn low, but it certainly won't be super close to whatever actual max of single DIMM per channel.

[cerulean wadi]

Gonna keep my eyes out for cheap 4x8 ddr4 kits as ddr5 gets more popular
7600x vs 5800x/5900x will be good fights, just going by similar price. Wonder how soon they're gonna be smart and have a sub-$250 option.

[vast meadow]

3600 ddr5

[vast meadow]

Thing is 8gb sticks of ddr5 is garbage

[vast meadow]

4 sticks have a very very hard time running and 8gb sticks are only 1/2 banks of 16gb stick

[long geyser]

Even with a $200 option, still won't be fun until cheap but not terrible DDR5 exists.

I do hope AMD didn't just murder themselves here. I don't want to lose competition. Assuming AMD does well with perf, still only going to be a small percentage of peeps going for it due to high cost.

[vast meadow]

Sad thing is it's not really their fault either, don't think ddr4 was nearly as expensive

[burnt spear]

no big company is

[grizzled bloom]

Sure but all the current 5000 series all say a max of 3200 so...

[cerulean wadi]

Well they are ddr4 based as you know so...

[finite elm]

They are saying they don't put the actual number.

[grizzled bloom]

The official specs don't include "overclocking" like XMP profiles

[cerulean wadi]

Same old same old, but definitely a bigger hit w/ 4dimms than ddr4 sometimes suffers from. Although not like most people are gonna do 4dimms of ddr5 anyways, with the density changes and such.

[grizzled bloom]

Just go by what each motherboard specifically says it supports, the CPU memory specs are rather useless

[finite elm]

Question, What would 4x1R refer to in dual channel if 2x2R is 4 sticks in dual channel?

[vast meadow]

2x2r is 2 16gb+ sticks

4x1r is 4 8gb sticks

[grizzled bloom]

4x1R is 4 single rank sticks

2x2R is two dual rank

[finite elm]

I wonder who's putting 32gbs of ram in a machine with a 6800u. Sounds fancy

[cerulean wadi]

32GB itself isn't all that crazy. Under $100 often enough

[finite elm]

Lpddr5 @6400mhz

Max Memory Speed
4x1R
DDR5-4800
4x1R
LPDDR5-6400

From the 6800u's page. Lol

[cerulean wadi]

Ah, had to lookup that cpu. Really if you're spending so much on a laptop, why go 16GB. Possibly 4dimms in a laptop?

[finite elm]

So far it'll mostly be handhelds with the Lpddr5 and 6800u.

The laptop(S? ) that are out now have 4800mhz ram. Besides the Asus with the 2.8k oled screen for no reason.

The Lenovo I believe has 4800mhz ram

Lemme check.

Nevermind. The Lenovo has 6400mhz ram.

It's soldered cause it's Lpddr5 btw

[vast meadow]

8gb ddr5 is sad tbh

[finite elm]

I only know of Lenovo's laptops and a budget 6600u handheld that have 8gb options. everything else I've seen is 16gbs

Lenovo has 2 6000u laptops with 8gb ddr5 (soldered) Both with the 6650u lol

Both over 1k

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t16-(16-inch-amd)/len101t0020 Wait a minute, look at these prices.

How are they selling laptops for almost 2k without a DGPU? These are ON SALE

3000$ laptop with no GPU???

"estimated Value" bs smh

@vast meadow Look at that est value then the specs. They out here faking massive sales

[vast meadow]

thinkpad is business line-up usually overpriced

[finite elm]

I guess they're like. "Businesses don't care they won't look into it"

[vast meadow]

Basically

[long geyser]

The point wasnt to show what the max DDR5 clock was, it was to show that AMD expects running two DIMMs per channel will be significantly harder then running one DIMM per channel

[grizzled bloom]

Well yeah
It always is

[long geyser]

Which was to expand on that AMD is going to have the same issue Intel is having, four total DIMMs be hard to do and a reasonable solution hasnt been made yet (obv that one should always expect dual DIMMs per channel to be hard. Tho one should expect to have closer freq limits between one and two DIMMs per channel)

[grizzled bloom]

Having any expectations at all right now is reaching for info we don't have regarding DDR5 support

[vast meadow]

Found out b650e has pcie 5 gpu slot whereas the non extremes only have gen 4 gpu slot

[grizzled bloom]

We've known that for a while

[long geyser]

b650e?

[grizzled bloom]

Not that it'll make a huge difference with PCIe 5 anyway

[long geyser]

It will once RX 7400 releases with a x1 slot

[grizzled bloom]

Fair lol

Use a m.2 to PCIe riser in that case

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[finite elm]

Get a Ryzen 4100 instead

😂

[vast meadow]

Yup announced at the event yesterday

[dull flint]

Am I the only one that's had the feeling that a lot of chipset instability is gonna come with the dual chipset boards

[grizzled bloom]

They're the same chipsets, it's just the slot configuration that's different

[dull flint]

Isn't b650 a single chips and X670 are two b650 chips slapped together? Or did that change

[grizzled bloom]

I never once heard that. Not saying it's not possible, I just didn't hear that.

[dull flint]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-multi-chiplet-x670-x670e-strategy

Yeah here's that pic

[grizzled bloom]

Interesting. Each seems to serve a separate purpose with a few exceptions like 20gb Ethernet using 10gb off each. Stability likely won't be an issue as far as I could guess but who knows.

[dull flint]

• shivers in old usb issues *

[grizzled bloom]

After all, how many boards are going to have 20gb Ethernet

[dull flint]

Prolly the xtreme

Maybe maximus extreme

Oc formula

[long geyser]

I mean, could be more USB controllers. Having two USB controllers would be nice for lot o' USB boards. Tho it be unlikely.

[grizzled bloom]

Nah it'll be one of the first things they cut costs on. 2.5g is plenty for even high end consumers.

Workstation boards might have 10gb

[dull flint]

I'm just worried about it cos they delayed the release due to Agesa issues

I feel like we're gonna experience some kekw compatibility

Rumour now circling that 2600 FCLK is the norm

[grizzled bloom]

They delayed it to update the agesa to include their XMP implementation

[long geyser]

The thing AMD actually needs to start doing is fixing their crap. Took them far too long to "fix" USB/audio issues, and even then it still isnt truly fixed. That's the part AMD needs to really change

[dull flint]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

Some random io issue that's perverse enough

On the flipside at least X570S I didn't have these problems

Only some LLC weirdness which was fixed with a bios toggle

[grizzled bloom]

Perverse? Pervasive I think you meant lol

[dull flint]

Nah perverse, behave in a way that's unacceptable

Lol

I guess pervasive works too

[grizzled bloom]

The issue with X570 was it's a repurposed IO die from 2000 series

That's also why it needed a chipset fan. Too hot. X570S used a newer process node.

[dull flint]

Oh I'm not referring to the fan tho

But indeed that was something lol

[grizzled bloom]

I know you weren't, just bringing it up as an additional "huh" fact

[dull flint]

Yeah, it's not worthy of dismissing

[grizzled bloom]

Reusing those old IO dies was a good idea to save money but kinda bit them in the end

[mild jackal]

I thought it was just an agesa update

I did hear those early rumors that it was a different node/die as well

[dull flint]

The zen 4 delay?

[mild jackal]

I meant x570 vs x570s

[dull flint]

Oh

[mild jackal]

14nm matisse die

[dull flint]

I'm personally not sure but I did find changing to a new board got rid of some pains

Asus randomly cmos'ing me was nice

[mild jackal]

Oh yeah, those new gen x570/s/b550 boards have a much better memory config

The crosshair 8 vs C8 dark hero is a world of difference

[dull flint]

For sure

[mild jackal]

5133mhz 1:1 on the dark hero lol (with cezanne)

[dull flint]

5700G?

[mild jackal]

Any of those, yeah

I got a 5600g to 4850c14, seby's done better with better sticks

[dull flint]

[mild jackal]

https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u340278/image_id_2614032.jpg

[dull flint]

By then you're talking non-APU speeds for cpu perf* lol

[mild jackal]

Kinda, those cezanne chips only have half the L3 cache of vermeer, but they certainly have a cool niche

[azure shore]

is there a channel for ethernet problems

[errant grail]

is 2cores laptop good just for school work?

[finite elm]

What kind of school work? Browser and word processor probably. Spreadsheets will make it iffy

[errant grail]

ah just words presentation just the basics

a lot of browsers

[finite elm]

What's your budget?

[errant grail]

i was thinking of this one

around 500usd or 600 cad

[finite elm]

That CPU's fine I think

[errant grail]

i already have a good computer to do all the heavy task

just need something light

to carry to school

[finite elm]

Can always check Ryzen 3 5300u if you're worried about the 2 cores.

Or a quad core Intel cpu. Other than that that cpu should be fine ya

[errant grail]

yeah that one is on sale just making sure if its good

[burnt spear]

im about to be doing school work on an 8th gen i3 with 2 cores

not really worried about it at all

most it'll have to do is run 10 tabs of chrome and maybe discord at once

[finite elm]

Sometimes you gotta ask cause some people do other work on laptops for school

[burnt spear]

Ye, sounds like we're doing similar things so just reassuring them

Actually I take that back, I might try running minecraft on it

Still think it'll do fine, my old 4030u laptop nearly ran mc at 40fps

Far better igpu and a good bit better cpu

[grizzled bloom]

Depends. That could be here or #electronics based on the issue.

[errant grail]

yeah just need something light in school work

what about this one?

extra 100 for extra 2cores

[strange spindle]

Leveno has good light laptops

[bleak wyvern]

Can a b550 aorus elite run with a 5800x3d?

[cerulean wadi]

Wouldn't been faster if you used google , but here: Yes, just need at least Bios F10 which is nearly 2 years old.

[cursive epoch]

i wonder tho

why 5800x3d?

[karmic perch]

Is AMD less stable than intel?

[hard leaf]

both have issues, you need to be a lil more specific

[amber canopy]

FX 👁️ 👄 👁️

[compact zenith]

It used to be, more you spent, the better the quality. I'm looking at timings on ddr4 and DDR5 memory. Why do I feel, getting a LGA1700 motherboard, might not be a great idea. For instance, the ddr4 timings are 19-19-19-19-25, yet average I see in ddr5 is 40-40-40-40-79.

Is DDR5 memory calculated differently?

It's like all the top brands of DDR5 are slower than the older ddr4 type.

I just ordered 3 Gigabyte z690 Aorus Master motherboards. LGA1700 I9. When I ordered the 64gb of DDR5 ram, the two free NVME 2TB drives were a nice bonus, but when I saw the timings, it made no sense to me as the ram was $510, yet ddr4 $160. Checked other high end DDR5 and timings are all average.

Normally I stuck with ASUS, but got attached to the Z390 and decided to upgrade my kids PCs and mine to the Z690 versions.

[dull flint]

The reason for the timings being so much bigger is because architecturally the burst length of DDR5 is doubled

[compact zenith]

Thanks. That paints a much better picture.

[dull flint]

So lets say CL14, on DDR5 is like CL28, except this is a very layman example and is not indicative of real life performance

DDR5 is much faster and more efficient, but comparing them like for like on paper specs is difficult to make a proper judgement

Since by design DDR5 made a number of changes, burst length being just one of them

Also 3 i9's?

[hard leaf]

And z690s?

[compact zenith]

I'm building my kids two systems, and mine. We run several servers off them at same time. Two of them are the older Z390

The older Z390 Aorus, it runs Windows 11 ok, but something during updating or after, is causing the cr2032 button cell to drain faster. I replaced 2 on two systems in a 30 day period.

When system blue screens, we know to change the battery. It's strange. I'm used to them lasting 3 years, not 30 days

[dull flint]

[hard leaf]

Yeah

[compact zenith]

The bios resetting is the other hint to replace the battery lol.

[dull flint]

Are you OC'ing all 3 systems?

[hard leaf]

Still i9s a z690s for your kids seem xtre.ely overkill

[dull flint]

Yeah also you won't leverage a 12900K/F/S without doing OC

It's just a higher clocked 12900 if you leave it stock

[hard leaf]

Yeah but why you need that much cpu power?

[amber canopy]

you dont know what they need the systems for though lol

[dull flint]

CPU power aside I can understand getting the best as a father lol

[hard leaf]

Your power bill will suffer a lot for no reason

[dull flint]

But also you should consider a b660+ddr4+12700F instead and save a lot of money

[hard leaf]

And power

[dull flint]

Gaming wise at stock they're extremely similar

[compact zenith]

I'm not over clocking mine, can't say my son isn't. Besides 3 NVME , I also have eight spindle drives. RunUO, Don't starve, rAythena, T-Shock, and Starbound are just about always running on mine

[devout moth]

FlexibleFelix#0713 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[compact zenith]

He also uses high end art equipment for school, and even with the RTX, the I7 slows down.

[dull flint]

Ah ok

That's a 9700K yeah?

[compact zenith]

Brb, got to check.

[dull flint]

12700F is still a more reasonable choice here but I get wanting to spare nothing if that wasn't enough

[hard leaf]

well if he have the money and dont care on the budget for his 3 systems i say let him be

[compact zenith]

Ok, I messed up. I keep confusing his system with his brothers. His is an Z97 Asus pro gamer Intel Core i7-4770 - Core i7 4th Gen Haswell Quad-Core 3.4 GHz LGA 1150 84W Intel HD Graphics Desktop

[hard leaf]

i9s on z690s using ddr5 seems like extreme overkill to our eyes, but it will work regardless

[dull flint]

Ohhh

Z97 is way different

[hard leaf]

yup

[compact zenith]

His brother has the z390.

[dull flint]

You've gone way way overkill there haha

[hard leaf]

as felix said you can safely get away with a 12700f+3200c16 ddr4+b660m mobo and you will save a looooooot of money

4770 is an ancient cpu, 4 cores 8 threads

12700f is 12 cores 20 threads

plus an advanced architecture

[dull flint]

12th gen has like, 6th gen as e cores lmao

And he's coming from 4th gen

[hard leaf]

win 11 on a 4770 it will be a pain ofc

no doubt

[compact zenith]

I was considering that, but the issues he is having, I rather spend the extra money so it lasts a long time, not save $90 now, and find out I should have spent the money when I could

[hard leaf]

well... you are not saving 90

more like 400

[dull flint]

It's a bit more than $90 per system

Yeah more like 300-400

[hard leaf]

or even more

[dull flint]

Hence why we brought that up, good sum

[hard leaf]

12700f = 320usd, 12900k = 600

660 = 150, 690= 250+

ddr4 = 120 ddr5 = 300

its more than 90 buck worth of saving

[compact zenith]

Besides, at least two I get reimbursed half of by my employer, so taking advantage of a good thing.

[vast meadow]

Z690 pricing is more like 160+ tbh and good ddr5 like 250$ but rest is fairly accurate

[hard leaf]

like 600usd worth of savings, hell you can build another pc with that

[hard leaf]

yeah i was looking for a capable 6000c32 at least 😛 those are still expensive

buying a 4800c40 kit not worth over a 3200c16 by a longshot

[compact zenith]

Not to mention, the $510 for 64gb ram, I'm also getting two 2tb NVME 5000 read/ 4000 write with the package.

[vast meadow]

You want 6200+ when looking at ddr5 cuz that means guaranteed hynix, there's a nice patriot kit of 6200c40 for 240$ i think

[dull flint]

Anyway, not a beat down, just a suggestion, either way you're kids ought to be happy or I'll get mad for you

[compact zenith]

Lol

[hard leaf]

hynix

[dull flint]

Kingston 6000 C40 is guaranteed H16M

And good h16m

[vast meadow]

Xmp up to 6000 can be samsung ya see

[hard leaf]

indeed

[dull flint]

Also I have 5600 C28 ripjaws which are hynix guaranteed

[vast meadow]

Aye but he ravell talking bout a team/g skill kit

[dull flint]

Uhhh

[vast meadow]

C28 dam

[dull flint]

3fast5u

[hard leaf]

yeah c28... damn bro

[dull flint]

[vast meadow]

Nooom

[hard leaf]

on xmp or manual tuning?

[vast meadow]

Xmp

[dull flint]

XMP, for now

[hard leaf]

bro, no full auto on buildings!