I also live 5 minutes from a best buy so there is that
#graphics-cards
hard wren
cursive canopy
big city?
copper mason
I mean, it's a Toyota Corolla, so I don't even burn 20$ of gas, but all that driving, my back SCREAMS by the time I get home... so sometimes it's just much easier to drive an hour each way to Worst Buy or order online from Newegg or a number of other retailers.
lofty karma
I have a microcenter 15 min from my house that's open till 10pm pretty nice for when I need quick parts
copper mason
<~~~ has cows for neighbors. They don't have many domestic disturbances between the cows though, so aside of the really rotten rural internet it's not bad. Miss the tech stores of the city though. I used to be able to WALK to a best buy in 20 minutes.
cursive canopy
lol
i'm on the outskirts of a main city.. so not that close, but we have a decent town I think.. just not a lot of the things a main city has
hard wren
5 minutes to a best buy and 15 minutes to the nearest cow best of both worlds 😉
around 130k in my city I like the size not too big not too small
copper mason
Do you really want to deal with retail crowds in the holiday season and go to Worst Buy... newegg might just be our saving grace. http://media-cdn.beamng.com/mdgszCevBmvkJQQC/screenshot_2020-03-18_18-49-33.jpg (safe for work, picture of Worst Buy in my BeamNG Drive map Los Injurus)...
cursive canopy
lol
they seem to have the very same building as each and everyone.. almost every one
hard wren
no crowds due to virus at the moment so worst buy is back in
hard wren
thats a little too small for me I like around 90k-140k
copper mason
Our Sprawl Mart was PACKED ... they don't seem to be shying away with the virus thing from THERE. I won't even go in there much anymore. @sterile parcel I'd get a manager on those employees that were rude and disrespectful of someone who has a borderline disability (if your vision is that bad, it can be!). That's technically discrimination.
hard wren
walmart is like that in all towns and cities across the country lol its special
cursive canopy
nope.. we have a lot in our walmarts.. we have 2.. a large one, and a smaller farmer's market mostly just smaller
and i bet surgery won't help?
copper mason
My town has more cows than people. Our internet = poo. We have better luck sending our files via Teradactyls in-stead of uploading things on the interwebs here. Absolute rubbish. Never. Get. Hughes. Net. NEVER EVER EVER. DSL would have been better but that kept disconnecting and shorting out every time in rained (and in Tennessee, we seem to live in the rainforest capital of the USA, that doesn't help satellite any better either).
hard wren
comcast sucks as a company but it is really fast internet
cursive canopy
ooof, that is one thing I had to make sure, this town does ahve a good internet... a lot of medical and 2 schools, one community, one a named college lol
copper mason
I call this town BEDROCK. If you've ever seen GREEN ACRES (hilarious old TV show from the 60's), the general store in that show is like the one at the end of my street where it meets the state route.
cursive canopy
and I just switched to spectrum, and really improved DL speeds
"make a left at THE general store, and stop before the dead tree on right, make left by the massive bush.. and you arrived
copper mason
We're going to switch to the new startup company that started in town because dun-dun-dunnnn the towns internet is atrocious.
hard wren
comcast will be there someday
cursive canopy
the realtor, even called up the local internet company for me to ask them questions before we bought the house... that I found online.. while staying in a pet friendly hotel... good times...
comcast does own a big line...
if you ever done a tracert, comcast tends to always pop up
copper mason
@cursive canopy I have to go about 7 miles to even get to a traffic signal, in any direction, some directions you'll go for 15~20 miles before getting to one. I can actually get to the highway without any signaled intersections just by making a right out of my driveway and going straight. No stop signs, no signals, no nothing, just drive... and drive... and drive... and drive... zzzzzz BOOM CRUNCH
copper mason
Yes comcast, frontier, and time warner owned a lot of major data hubs, i did a lot of trace routes to catch corrupt investigators years back (and that's why I'm retired, heh heh). Know trace route very well was taught how to use it in the mid/late 90's on NT 4.0 I believe.
cursive canopy
time warner.. now named spectrum which IMO they have gotten better..specially down here
Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 850W - TT Premium Edition PS-TPD-0850FNFAGU-1
hard wren
spectrum will eventually make its way back to the warner family and be owned by comcast. They negotiate a buyout almost every year that falls through in the end lol
cursive canopy
i am a bit not too knowledgeable with PS.. haven't really kept up with the times like the CPU/MB/GUP
copper mason
Comcast takes the cake for poor customer service and downright deceptive reps, which blame the customer. All others pale in comparison, even Frontier which is hot garbage... but if it works, and it's fast enough, and KEEPS working, who's to complain? Heaven forbid we can't log into the interwebs at a moments notice 24/7 and moan about communication service providers whenever our hearts desire... (/s)
cursive canopy
spectrum had a great deal for what I wanted... better than directv... lol
ok rommy, thanks... just thought thermaltake was known for PSU
hard wren
yeah but like where I live you can get 1000mpbs from comcast or as some one put it the other day "third world country speeds" from AT&T at 24mbps for the same price....
cursive canopy
omg
copper mason
@sterile parcel Thermaltake doesn't make their own PSU's, like Corsair, and a number of other brands, they are a label brand. Some might be sourced from CWT, some from worse places, or you might luck out and get a Seasonic in all but name. It can be so hit or miss, even the same product might get a switch mid-life-cycle to a cheaper unit without them telling anyone or changing the model number.
cursive canopy
yeah.. some places getting really low DL/UL
clear frigate
1070 for 160 for a 1070ti for 225 as a temp card?
cursive canopy
now i see 850 seasonic... 99.97+ 6.75shipping
thinking I will have to put a list of all these PSU's i find lol
copper mason
Part of the issue with label-brand PSU's is that it's only as good as the label specs it to be, and only as good as the OEM who actually manufactures it to be, and it's the lesser of whatever quality those two put out... so you kind of lose out. However, you can do your research before-hand and find the better quality units, or top-tier CWT models, or even Seasonic units incognito for a bargain price, especially on the used market as people won't often know they have a better-than-normal-quality unit.
An example I believe is Fractal (it may have been phanteks), they recently had a new line of PSU's specced by Seasonic, and they actually IMPROVED the ripple from the base Seasonic design they were quoted, making some of the best supplies to date. It was covered by some tech review websites this past 12~15 months or so. They're much better than the several-years-old units they replaced, too. So label-brands don't always = kitty poo-poo.
cursive canopy
great information, and that kitty poo.. lol
I welcome the information... good to learn from others...
copper mason
Looking at ripple and voltage stability when close or at maximum power, in power supply reviews, can often tell you at first glance if it's a quality unit. That isn't a one-size-fits all approach though, as they can still sometimes cheap out internally or on wire gauge or length etc. So there's A LOT of factors. I prefer Seasonic for consistency, but I won't go out and say - EVGA - for example - makes a BAD unit. The cheapo EVGA's that I was getting 25$ shipped (400/430 watt depending on the batch) were cheap and the cables didn't fit great but they had basic power and inrush current protections and that's all that was needed for a netflix/email/web surfing machine - so that fit the bill when the old PSU took a dump. Naturally, I'd expect their 600 watt and above range to be much better made and more stringent on the QC department.
cursive canopy
the other PC is like a 500w PS... but too tired to open it up to look lol
but not modular at all
copper mason
great information, and that kitty poo.. lol
Learning can be fun to read, too. I love to read... I vacuum up input like Johnny 5 from short circuit 2 (cue the obligatory "INPUT INPUT INPUT!!" quote from him in the Library), but I also enjoy sharing info with others, as sometimes I get to gain info too. It helps all of us make better decisions and this is just one part of 'PC Master Race' blah blah stuff - but it doesn't have to be miserable and full of failure learning about stuff. I just want folks not to make the same mistakes younger me made.
cursive canopy
yeah input is great, tend to read in these channels, but recently been talking more and more...
if I can pass on what I know, to someone that knows little, and helps them pick out some good pieces... and save them a few bucks.. worth it
copper mason
I try to never, ever, EVER talk down to folks, it makes them shut down, and if this is a chat channel here, it completely 100% nullifies any usefulness of it. I also try NOT to tell folks what to do, but I will strongly recommend things even if it's just mentioning it a few times. Sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes not, sometimes you get much more than you pay for... it's all in what you buy, where you buy it, and when.
cursive canopy
i rather take the information in, and make a well informed decision but i'd take someone with information, other than, it has RGB, so it looks better as reason to buy something lol
copper mason
Like I said, we're all into PC's whether large or small, old or young, black or beige PC's, even PC's disguised as XBOX's or Playstations. But humans have survived to become the dominant species we are through knowledge passed down through communication, and I'm not about to overlook that. Life is too short, sit back and enjoy it - it shouldn't be spent always doing damage control over boo-boo's that could have been avoided.
cursive canopy
speaking of shell shock deals on new egg.. 1000w modular... 80plus bronze... single 12v rail... 99.99 O.O
copper mason
Hey, making mistakes is the only other option we have to learn things if someone else or something else does not show/teach us. Edison made 100's or 1000's of mistakes before he invented the electric light bulb.
@cursive canopy hey maybe all this big-brother tech-company spying on us blabbing about power supplies (in the GPU chat at that rate) got them to offer some PSU on special. Woohoo.
cursive canopy
lmfao
oh, they take ALLLL information, and chop it up and spit out stuff that they can sell ads to
copper mason
I make mistakes all the time, but sometimes if there's no way to learn, or it's just something in game design (you do backups, right?), there's sometimes no choice but to try try try again until you figure out what works and what does not.
cursive canopy
i just don't know if it's a great deal, and if i would ever need 1000w
copper mason
I'm working on making content for BeamNG Drive, my Los Injurus map not only needed some bugs fixed in the game engine because of how huge it is (namely the AI routing grid) but also there's so much that's not documented, some things the devs don't even have documented, you have little choice but to keep trying until something 'gives' (I also made Roane County Tennessee map, it's huge). BeamNG is very realistic and a driving simulator too, soft-body physics goodness, and it comes with a level and vehicle editor. It will put that 3950x or 10980xe to good use and crank it to the hill when running traffic (it's usually 2 cars per core MAX on a modern good cpu, up to around 12 cores where Direct X rendering starts to hold it back, they are working on that though).
copper mason
Only mentioned the game due to relevent topic and the fact it is pretty cheap, will put a big CPU to work (be gone buyers remorse, our main antagonist besides gpu supply in PCMR), and the devs actually are de-facto the coolest bunch I've met thus far. Definitely go above and beyond to accomidate modding, and I got into PC's in 1994 for DOOM modding, so that hits a soft spot. The game is BeamNG Drive. It's on Steam, and I think Humble Bundle has it in the store too.
cursive canopy
wait DOOM, the one ya broke the mouse buttons smashing to kill things?
copper mason
So if you have a GOOD or MONSTER CPU, and a decent (doesn't need the best) GPU, it's definitely some fun to try. Works best with a wheel or analog controller, but can still drive slower FWD cars with relative ease on keyboard (you get used to KB driving if needed, but controller or wheel is best).
Yes, Doom, OLD DOOM for DOS. My 1st PC was out before Windows 95.
marsh geyser
does anyone know when the 3060ti will be restocking
copper mason
Octurno, those cards are restocking very often, many times a week, possibly even over the weekend, keep checking back. There's video feeds on youtube available for nvidia stock levels. I keep getting them in my feed, as a livestream.
cursive canopy
added beamNG to wishlist
marsh geyser
how would i know when to check for the restockand where do i look for those youtube chanels or livestreams
copper mason
@marsh geyser Wait and keep checking back to get a 3060Ti - or get a 2070/2070 Super. Or snag a 1650 Super / 1660 Ti for cheap to hold you over for a few months until stock is attainable.
Should SHOULD be safe for work link, as always, I don't own these channels nor moderate what others say: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3080+stock+livestream
Now that says 3080, but you can replace that with 3060, or find the appropriate stream by browsing the channel
Some streams may have more than one thing for stock levels.
marsh geyser
ok thank you i appreciate it
spare relic
Super
copper mason
that BeamNG... i'd so want a stearing wheel system
You can play with a keyboard to get used to it, but if you try it out with traffic enabled, especially if you have a 6 or 8 core CPU, it's absolutely awesome, and MODS ABOUND, the devs are 10000000% into allowing, hosting, and helping modders. They make me a proud level-builder guy.
But yes, a steering wheel is the best way to go.
cursive canopy
very nice!
copper mason
Just use slower front wheel drive or all wheel drive vehicles until you get used to it or get a wheel. I've gotten a LOT better but it's very easy to overcorrect with a KB obviously, being that it's digital not like variable analog inputs. So entirely, it simulates physics 2000 times a second (comparison: GTAV is 20 times a second), over 100's or sometimes 1000's of nodes and beams (between nodes = beam). This is much harder on processing but makes it totally awesome. I could run up to 20 cars at once on my 3700x and can do a few more with the 3950x until I hit the draw call limits (cpu tells gpu to render something = draw call) of Direct X 11. The Ryzen 5xxx series or intel 10900k might even run it a little better, until you max out the vehicle amount. You only need 20fps minimum for full simulation speed, but most any system in this channel here will easily do 60~100fps or more in most scenes / situations unless LOTS of cars are used. I whole-heartedly recommend BeamNG Drive to smash any buyer's remorse you may ever get into oblivion where it belongs. You can even haul PIANOS in a moving truck (or pickup, or tie to roof of car), and drive off a cliff. Cartoonish piano smashing sounds abound. Nothing quite like it.
@sterile parcel Sleep well buddy, nite.
cursive canopy
cya rommy
copper mason
But yeah, I wouldn't recommend getting more than a 3900x or 5900x processor for BeamNG, as beyond 12 cores does not stack well yet, but by the time they hit version 1.0 it should be a lot better. 8~12 cores is generally plenty, and even a dual-core i3 skylake chip can run a decent car crash between two vehicles without any issues.
It'll run decent on a Sandy Bridge i5 or i7 if you have just a few vehicles.
cursive canopy
oh once I get this PS, and GPU thing all fixed... the next step will be monitor upgrade.. then the games/peripherals...
copper mason
An RX 480 8gb card can pretty much max out the whole game around 45~50fps or (much) better, anything from the 1660Ti / 2xxx or higher nvidia series will do quite well.
Yeah, that's going to hurt if you get it all set up, buy the monitor for 4k res, and realize the gpu can only do 59fps at 4k... I am going to predict it now 🙂 Why? Because that ALWAYS is what / how it happens. I wish you the best on that @cursive canopy and hope you don't have to throw too much money at it to get back in the game.
cursive canopy
oh, i am aiming for 2k .. since my monitors are... 1080p and 60hz, basic flatscreens.. but they still decent.. got a 24" and 22" atm
copper mason
I got a used 40" 1080p generic TV from the cash-and-carry shop in town years ago, it works, I wanted something bigger than my old 19" 4:3 1280x1024 resolution panel for making content. Well, it took some getting used to, but at-least I can actually see what is on the screen and find the mouse cursor.
It's no top-tier tech by any rate, but I also lay in the bed across the room to use it like a TV with youtube or hulu etc...
2k should be a reasonable attempt from regular HD 1920x1080 resolution. Keep an eye out for deals!
cursive canopy
i remember when I went from one of those old TV's to the flatscreen, i thought it was too big.. but now, i want bigger TV lol
i did see a great deal, but not the well known monitor.. 32" westinghouse 1440p with good refresh rate, 239
copper mason
People tell me 'oh you don't have 4k yet???' like it's a crime against humanity - I said 'okay, i'll get one, but you will have to READ it and find my mouse cursor all day!'
cursive canopy
4k was way too expensive...
copper mason
Yes a 4k screen of respectable size and refresh rate is expensive yet.
cursive canopy
2k is getting more reasonable
cursive canopy
was looking at some MSI monitors for 350-400... but didn't buy it since I wanted graphics card first
clear frigate
Or the g27qc if you like curved
copper mason
Westinghouse isn't a bad brand, actually that brand has been around a lot longer than I've been alive. I wouldn't shy away unless the reviews are awful and warranty is short (or it's not fast enough response time, high refresh rate with slow pixel response time is somewhat worthless).
cursive canopy
oh why?? that is something I was looking at, the MSI optix 34 or 32 i forget now
copper mason
I never saw the allure of a curved monitor, as in: Didn't we just get flat screens finally? It's very hard to get texture UV's (textured surfaces = UV's) and models aligned well on a non-flat monitor.
cursive canopy
westinghouse has been around a while, but seems not the better quality, but for 239??? i was close to buying it after I got the graphics card.. but glad I didn't till i get this whole issue fixed
copper mason
I guess for 'just gaming use' it would be okay to have a curved screen.
Ah, that makes sense Rommy.
Some screens can do that especially when curved, your brain doesn't know how to 'learn' that the monitor is not flat and messes with your eye muscles causing eyestrain (which also can happen from looking at one thing too long).
cursive canopy
I thought curved was suppose to help with headaches/migraines....
copper mason
Same thing cathode ray tube flicker used to do - eyestrain
clear frigate
What's the minimum gpu for 1440p
spare relic
2070 maybe
copper mason
Well if it's a variable refresh rate (freesync or gsync) if it flickers black it is because the game is not having high enough fps to meet the minimum of the variable refresh rate FPS - resulting in blank frames.
clear frigate
20 series minimum
copper mason
Okay, yes it should NOT flicker on the desktop, that is bad.
Make sure to have the variable refresh rate turned off if it's an option, disable it and see if that helps any.
I have to eat and sleep folks, have a good one and I wish y'all some good luck trying to get some new GPU's, use the youtube link above I put there for stock info video live-streams if needed.
cursive canopy
take care bob.. and thanks for the conversation and helpful information
it's already 1am O.O
since I was getting a newere GPU.. i knew i'd need a new monitor
since 1080p would bottleneck the GPU
depends on size, i'd like to get an ultra wide screen, since I am used to having these two monitors side by side...
24" and 22" side by side... so 32 at least
oh i've been in there a bit too lol
i am sure that westinghouse would be a decent upgrade from what have...
once i get the new graphics card installed
lol
when I got the flatscreen TV a while ago.. was either westinghouse, or a samsung... i went with samsung
and with that, i do need to go.. take care!!! thanks for the conversation
timid willow
i have a westinghouse tv i bought cause it was cheap
their obnoxious logo stays on the screen far longer than wanted and it auto-turns itself off when i pause something to take a poop
because of this experience i'd say to always look at reviews for specific tv's instead of just being like 'hey this is the second cheapest one at walmart it can't be that bad'
i dont think it'll die on me or anything at least but it doesn't make a good tv to hook to a pc
wary gale
🦺
wary gale
🛼
signal venture
Anyone looking for a msi 3090 gaming x trio?
hard wren
is one up for sale?
dull glacier
so, i have a rx 580 and it does really good at 1920x1080 my monitor is a 3440x1440 i do not do everything at a fps i like so i think tomorrow ill get a monitor that is a better match to my card
warped osprey
could i sli two 1660
dull glacier
if you have the slots and the sli bridge then sure
pale latch
does anyone have an idea of how to get a 3070 in australia? all the australian retailers are overpriced so id like to buy from the us, not sure how to
preferably i want to get a founders edition but that may be difficult
main narwhal
RTX 3090 good for a gamer girlfriend?
she currently rocks an msi lightning 980ti
i got 3 rtx 3090s so i thought of giving to her
PS: I run 2x RTX 3090 in SLi for supercomputing stuff unrelatable to y'all
timber edge
are you asking just to flex
zinc wraith
supercomputing
zinc wraith
i regularly struggle with swapping out components i think that qualifies as supercomputing
main narwhal
timber edge
lone pond
RTX 3090 good for a gamer girlfriend?
she currently rocks an msi lightning 980t...
If she only going to game, give her a rtx 3080 since it's cheaper and she mostly likely to not use 24gb of vram of the 3090.
delicate glade
<:KEK:638780715516952586>
your kek is unfamiliar. 
waxen iron
signal venture
Guys any recommendation where to sell a gpu instead of ebay?
clear pier
@signal venture go to micro center is you have done be near you
main narwhal
your kek is unfamiliar. <:kekw:741678350791081994>
cause thats form NZXT boi
solemn flicker
Finally got my 3060ti but it wont display video. i cant plug my old card back in (rx480) and get video with no issue. I've read on reddit other people are having similar issues with 3060ti 's so I guess Im going to have to RMA it with MSI 😦
I got it to post video once and get into windows and installed the latest Nvidia drivers but after windows just constantly screen flickered and displayed a message saying force reinstall display drivers each time it flicked back on
timid willow
is it supported by your motherboard
solemn flicker
I wouldnt think my motherboard wouldnt support it. Its a Asus x570 tuf with the most recent bios and chipset update as of a couple weeks ago so I could install the 5600x I am running.
timid willow
okay that should be fine yeah its not ancient or anything
lone pond
is it supported by your motherboard
Thenically, the mobo can support any gpu aslong the gpu have the correct drivers.
timid willow
just because it can fit in the slot doesnt mean it will work correctly
lone pond
Yeah but still it just needs the drivers
And sometimes the drivers are faulty
Or the gpu is faulty
timid willow
yeah but i wanted to make sure he wasnt stuffing it into something dumb like a 2007 microatx
geeze
solemn flicker
Im not that clueless
hallow spire
if i was to get 3x 1030s would i have a 3090?
solemn flicker
So despite my old card working with my set up and the Vertical mount. I decided to try the 3060ti mounted directly into the motherboard slot and now it works with no issues. Kinda disappointing since I just got this vertical mount last month and worked with no issues with my old GPU
steel wolf
So despite my old card working with my set up and the Vertical mount. I decided ...
Which brand did you get that vertical mount
solemn flicker
Which brand did you get that vertical mount
same as my case Phanteks
solemn flicker
That's what I'm using
Thanks I will check it out.
steel wolf
Tried it with 2 different 3080s and it worked just fine
If you have amd that might be an issue @solemn flicker
terse cobalt
which vertical mount rizer are you uring? im getting fps drops and driver crashes with the one that i bought on amazon
steel wolf
which vertical mount rizer are you uring? im getting fps drops and driver crashe...
Link is up there
terse cobalt
Link is up there
thanks! but im not sure why i was getting that GPU issues
steel wolf
thanks! but im not sure why i was getting that GPU issues
Do you have an amd system?
steel wolf
Hm
terse cobalt
So despite my old card working with my set up and the Vertical mount. I decided ...
I got the same issues with vertical rizer, the phanteck one was crashing my driver
its not a 3.0 pcie i think
copper mason
I got the same issues with vertical rizer, the phanteck one was crashing my driv...
PCI express 4.0 will not work over a vertical GPU mount. Set the negotiated speed of PCI E to 3.0 on the primary PEG slot in BIOS.
PCI express 4.0 loses too much signal integrity after about 6 inches of length from a re-driver or the cpu/gpu.
PCI express 3.0 can go a few feet, I believe.
PCI express 2.0 can go some... 18 feet I reckon. I think one of those Linus Tech Tips videos had that experiment in it years back... 2~3 years back.
Nvidia 3000 series and Radeon RX 5xxx and newer is PCI-E 4.0. DO NOT use a vertical GPU riser, or an extension cable on PCI-E 4.0 cards / slots UNLESS you set the BIOS to make sure to negotiate 3.0 speeds (forced) before-hand. Otherwise you will lose signal integrity / get too much 'jitter' (imperfections essentially) and basically lose/confuse random bits in communication between components, and cause a BSOD, crash, or no-boot scenario.
terse cobalt
PCI express 4.0 will not work over a vertical GPU mount. Set the negotiated spe...
thanks bob 🙂 very complete answer
copper mason
This is actually related to why there's no PCI-E 4.0 on intel 10000 series processors, why there's no OFFICIAL support for PCI-E 4.0 on B450/X470 AMD motherboards. The intel issue was due to signal integrity / jitter issues. The AMD issue was also pretty much the same, but inconsistency between boards leading to just canning the feature for boards produced before the PCI-E 4.0 spec was finalized (lots of it is due to consortium saying 'hey, you can NOT do that, it's a standard for a reason' legalese).
Yes, Howdy howdy @sterile parcel I'll be here for a little bit before disappearing again.
terse cobalt
PCI express 4.0 will not work over a vertical GPU mount. Set the negotiated spe...
im not gunna use it since i dont have a 4.0 mobo + i will buy a 3080 series
copper mason
@terse cobalt You can give it a shot set to 3.0 and see if it's stable, but function over form any day, is the best method. When you're having fun blasting baddies in Doom, or making some impromptu hamburger in GTA, no one will worry what the PC looks like provided it plays games and doesn't contain any FIRE/Smoke/etc.
This issue with riser cables should be stickied, honestly. I think it will come up more and more often over the next few months as more people are actually able to not just look at but actually buy current-gen new GPUs from either team.
terse cobalt
<@!707603190429777940> You can give it a shot set to 3.0 and see if it's stable,...
exactly, if you want power then get the shorted lengths... The more time the data travels the less speed you get
🙂
copper mason
Generally speaking, PCI-E 4.0 and current motherboard layout is at the point where if you added one more inch (or 1.2 cm IIRC) to the length between the CPU and GPU, you might cause random issues to pop up now and then.
A lot of time the length data can travel is directly related to the amount of power the signals carry. Sure, we could send PCI-E 4.0 across the city if we want to use a high-tension high-voltage regional power setup like the kind you see going over long distances at some 40KV (the ones that go to substations where it is stepped down to multiple levels for industrial and residential power grids). But obviously, this isn't practical in computing. That's also partly why regional power lines that at some times can cross entire states are such high voltages - the higher the voltage, the longer it will go before it's usefulness or value is worthless.
So you can surely get better speeds with closer physical locations (such as RAM slots being moved closer to CPU twice - from 300 to 400 series AMD chipsets, and from 400 to 500 series chipsets again), that helps a lot, but you'll also get a CLEANER signal in the process, which can help things work a lot faster when you don't have to do error correction time and again on every last bit of anything (it's not practical everywhere, though server admins are happy to have it). So it's some of both worlds. You wouldn't want to know how hot an x570 chipset would get if it had to drive PCI-E 4.0 signals past 6 inches. think hotter or as hot as an 8-core CPU...
terse cobalt
So you can surely get better speeds with closer physical locations (such as RAM ...
Very true!!! I like true that
copper mason
Another example is GPU RAM, it's been ERROR CORRECTING for quite some time now. An example of how it works is when overclocking, sometimes when increasing core or RAM speed too far (almost always is RAM speed) on the GPU, you can end up getting too many read errors or bits getting flipped. It can handle one wacky bit for a single 8-bit byte of data (as it has one parity bit for every 8 data bits), as that's what parity is for - error checking. So if it has to check too many errors, you'll get hitching or frame pacing issues (not driver related frame pacing issues, that's different). So basically, when OC'ing the GPU you want to find the most reasonable highest stable speed it'll work at natively, push it too far and it becomes actually slower (due to error checking on VRAM) or will hitch badly / crash outright or worse BSOD the computer.
If you have two flipped bits on any 8-bit byte of data, it can't handle that, and you get corrupted textures, goofy models, missing textures/models, black glitchyness, random corrupted shaders, hitching and then outright crashing. It will basically act like a defective GPU would, for all the same reasons that defective GPUs act the way they do. For what it's worth, and to the best of my knowledge, DDR5 system RAM is supposed to have error-checking parity bits built-in. That'll be a nice thing to have, if that turns out to make the final cut for production late 2021/early 2022.
terse cobalt
I hope so
copper mason
Very true!!! I like true that
Glad I could be of some assistance. [while I may be logged in sometimes for what seems eternity, I'm not always here, but I try to help when I am here though!]
terse cobalt
If you have two flipped bits on any 8-bit byte of data, it can't handle that, an...
Thanks a lot for clarifying this. I didn’t have time to google all that stuff. And i always get wrong responses
solemn flicker
Thanks for the words of wisdom
copper mason
Well, I do what I can. We're all stuck inside due to this crazy virus and crazy 2020 year we're having thus far, so might as well be hospitable. Thankfully computers now are a whole lot easier then when I got my first one some 26 years ago (forget, could have been 27 years ago, it's been too long).
When I started computing, we had to learn DOS, it didn't even boot Windows automagically. We had to fit most games into conventional memory, set jumpers to make hardware work, computers were limited to 16 different total interrupts (the way hardware gets the CPU's attention is through an aptly named 'interrupt' which does what it says 'on the tin'), drives needed jumpers set to show up, cd-rom drives hooked to soundcards through proprietary headers (plug format was always different as were the chips that talked to them), there wasn't even USB back then. There was no plug and play, it was set jumpers, plug and pray - and hope you had the driver diskette, because there was no internet for 98% of folks back then.
If you wanted to know something, there was no google for years, you had to buy a book. Even when the internet was in it's fledgeling years in the mid 90's, often books weren't 'given away' for free on the net. While information WAS out there, somewhere, you really had to know where to look. It's much easier now - but I'll still help when/where I can.
torpid gyro
would anybody be interested in an EVGA Geforce RTX 2060 KO?
lyric forge
I have gained wisdom beyond my years thank you for bestowing this information upon us bob
Uhhh I don’t think you can sell stuff on here
coarse spindle
I will take it for free
torpid gyro
lmao
torpid gyro
I mean like if the person is interested like refer them to like offerup or stuff
add
move the decimal over twice to the right and its a deal
lol
calm pollen
ya right
lyric forge
Rule 9 bro no trading or selling
calm pollen
same deal😂
torpid gyro
ik cause scams
copper mason
@torpid gyro You might be able to get a decent dollar for it on ebay, those KO cards have better render performance as part of the GPU that normally gets laser-cut by nvidia or is not there in the first place, was not disabled, so it's got some extra performance. Those KO cards are partially-disabled 2080 dies.
calm pollen
sell on offerup i posted a 2070s and got like 30 pms it was nuts
torpid gyro
ok now im just gonna ask would it be worth it to sell it? Then where dafaq would I get a new card
If I were to
calm pollen
newegg bundles only way i found decent to get 3xxx series card
copper mason
ok now im just gonna ask would it be worth it to sell it? Then where dafaq would...
Best case is to get a card first and then consider selling the old one on an auction site or on a site that lets you sell used hardware, when you know your new cards works up-to-snuff.
copper mason
@calm pollen look up on youtube 3080 STOCK LIVE FEED or something similar, you should get some live streams with stock readouts.
torpid gyro
kk thks @copper mason
calm pollen
thats more right time right place
while notifications you still have decent shot and can get lucky
but i got one for 5600x cpu and was gone in like 3 seconds i was like wtf😂
copper mason
Video card stock will improve, AMD just pledged to keep making reference 6800/6900 cards for the time being, due to supply issues.
calm pollen
should improve within 3 months
copper mason
should improve within 3 months
Yes, it will continue to improve, the drought of cards won't last forever. When stock is more plentiful, then prices might come down a little bit, too. Plus, Jan-Feb is some of the slowest buy-time for retail both web-e-commerce and brick-and-mortar stores.
coarse spindle
does anyone know if a 7800gt will be able to play any modern games
copper mason
7800GT is very old, think 2006 it was in it's heyday.
7800GT will play Half Life 2 okay
coarse spindle
yeah, trying to resell some junk systems (its my job)
copper mason
If you want to use a 7800gt, make sure to know it's not DX10 (it was the last series before DX10 was available on video hardware), won't have much room for textures in VRAM, and doesn't have any Nvidia physX tech either. It should run games that were out before 2010 though.
I would think you MIGHT be able to run minecraft on it, but if they've updated minecraft it might not work anymore. It depends, I wouldn't try to run Windows 10 on it though, likely no driver available. I believe Windows 7 is the best it will do.
terse cobalt
When I started computing, we had to learn DOS, it didn't even boot Windows autom...
in that time, playing with bits and LEDs, blinking LED was a real game, hahahahaha
coarse spindle
wow thanks bob you know a LOT
copper mason
@coarse spindle Good for a Windows XP machine though. If it works and the fan isn't rattling to pieces, it might be worth something to someone for a Windows XP retro box. You're welcome. When I sold my first house in 2006 I bought a 7950GX/2 (first SLI on a single card, 2x 512mb GPUs on it, was 600$ back then!), which was very similar to the 7800GT itself (the 7800Gt was one notch down from the 7900Gt/GTX). Was awesome for the time, until 3 weeks later when the 8800GTX/GTS landed.
7800GT will run Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas on low or medium, Elder scrolls Oblivion, and so-forth. There's no shortage of games it could run, just nothing past 2010~2012 or so... at which point, games started 'requiring' DX10 hardware support. It'll happily play Simcity 4, GTA San Andreas, and very possible do half decently on GTA IV / EFLC provided you keep texture settings down.
lone pond
does anyone know if a 7800gt will be able to play any modern games
Unlikely to run any games past 2012 or 2011
Well...AAA games
Some indies titles should be fine like sky rogue, carrion
lone pond
7800GT will run Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas on low or medium, Elder scrolls Obl...
Isn't gta IV...like...unoptimized tho?
I never tested on it on my hd 2000 aswell
deft adder
vapid plinth
Ayoo fellas I gotta quick question. I've been playing Apex Legends on a locked 60 fps, but whenever I get into the loading screen, my fps gets locked at 10 fps... Any ideas why?
This prolly the wrong channel, but ion really see a help channel
dusk oasis
why do you want more fps on loading screens ?
rich slate
hes playing that monka S True gamer moment
let him be
he wants the 6 dubs in the loading screen
lone pond
why do you want more fps on loading screens ?
^
It's just the resources loading.
keen drum
how does the tuf gaming oc 3070 compare to the ventus 3x oc 3070
iron plume
Tuf, winner
fervent oasis
I really hope the 3080 20gb cards are real
been seeing some maxed out memory from CP77
iron plume
Pero si logras conseguir alguna, esa es la mejor
spice prawn
@iron plume english only please
iron plume
Sorry about that
onyx valley
Anyone get a 3060ti FE and having any issues with them? Seems like it's pretty unstable so far, thinking about putting my 980 back in.
clear pasture
I really hope the 3080 20gb cards are real
3080 ti
cursive canopy
I had issue the other day... Going to try again shortly... Letting pc cool down now
pale path
Anyone get a 3060ti FE and having any issues with them? Seems like it's pretty ...
Mine's been running like advertised. 3700x asus x570 tuf
tho i do wish the FE had it's own OC utility
cursive canopy
@copper mason Just tried the new GPU, and same issue happened, pressed power button, and the lights went on for a second like it was discharging after I unplugged the power plug....
@sterile parcel so that was a quick check..
but using the throttlestop, unchecking the BD PROCHOT, back to 4.6 using HWinfo program...
tough pebble
Does anyone know if the 3080 combos come with cod and a year of geforce
wide mesa
im literally playing on my intel hd 620 😭
onyx valley
My experience so far: after installing a new 3060ti and loading the latest drivers (460.x), the card wouldn't run faster than 405Mhz. Downgraded to 457.x version and Mhz resumed fine, higher FPS, but games--even low resource games-- would crash a few minutes in.
Switched back to my GTX 980, and although my FPS isn't as high, the computer seems more stable than with the 3060ti
Guess I'll wait for better nvidia drivers and try again
ripe ivy
It may not be a driver issue, it could be Bios related? Is it a non FE card?
tough pebble
Does anyone know if the 3080 combos come with cod and a year of geforce
Anyone?
hasty shore
idk
daring kiln
Anyone know if a 550W Powersupply is enough for a 3070 Fe?
cursive canopy
i don't think so... or it's really really close
Nvidea recomends 650w.... but I would go higher not knowing what other components are inside your PC
coarse spindle
yeah 550w isnt a good idea
onyx valley
It may not be a driver issue, it could be Bios related? Is it a non FE card?
It is an FE card, and I updated my BIOS drivers just in case today to drivers just released a couple days ago to see if it would help. Unfortunately, it didn't. I'm also running on a brand new build, new install of Win10, B550-E, 5800x, 32Gb ram,, 850w PS...
cursive canopy
oh, I'm having issues with my 3060ti FE.. but maybe my power supply 700w but it's a bit over 8 years old
ripe ivy
Yeah that's fairly old, could be causing issues
bronze nimbus
I’m tryna find a good one, hard to find these days
cursive canopy
now to find a new PS lol
but if new PS, and computer doesn't power on... then bad GPU :/
silk cliff
hi is msi b450 pro vdh max good for rtx 3070
tough pebble
Should be fine
cursive canopy
does anyone know if bestbuy would test the new GPU to see if indeed the GPU works?
runic cave
What’s the purpose of having two gpu connected to one motherboard? Why do some people configure their computer with two?
cursive canopy
more monitors?
runic cave
Is it because some applications can use one and , the other application use the other?
static rock
@runic cave it’s helpful for ai rendering stuff
pallid thunder
does it matter which pcie 16 slot i place my gpu in? there are two in my mobo
thanks
cursive canopy
I usually pick the top one closest to CPU.. but don't know which MB you got, sometimes they may have options
pallid thunder
aus f550-f wifi
cursive canopy
that is asus right?
spice prawn
@pallid thunder technically the top slot supports a faster PCI-e version. But it does not normally make a difference for regular consumers
pallid thunder
yeah
i see, thanks. the space might be too tight since i got a pcie 4 m.2 card with heatsink
cursive canopy
oooh your MB didn't come with a cover/cooler for it? or did you leave it off?
dawn plover
he prolly got one of those drives that come with a chonky heatsink for it
and wants to use the heatsink
pallid thunder
they do, but the heatsink comes with m.2 card is beefier lol
does it make a difference or should i stick with mobo heatsink
cursive canopy
yeah so it sticks out a bit more
pallid thunder
yeah chonky heatsink
spice prawn
another reason to use the top m.2 is the speed of that port is pci-e 4.0
cursive canopy
i put my m.2 on my lower m.2 slot, but no second m.2 to put in top one yet
spice prawn
not that it makes much of a difference either thou
cursive canopy
my MB doesn't have 4.0... but 3.0 works fine
bronze nimbus
One day before Christmas comes and i got to buy some $500 2060. I hope I can win a giveaway
oblique swan
Good luck man.
split storm
Why did newegg stop letting you return parts of combos :(
native axle
One day before Christmas comes and i got to buy some $500 2060. I hope I can win...
Buy a 2060 super no point in getting non super. I found a 2060 Super FE for 450$
plain pilot
Can a EVGA G2 support a 3090 and a 1080? https://www.evga.com/products/Specs/PSU.aspx?pn=2aa9e0d7-548f-44c8-8eb4-867cd74892cf
lone vector
how to make graphics connect (like 2 of 'em)
vapid gust
tape
dawn plover
how to make graphics connect (like 2 of 'em)
which graphics cards?
dawn plover
i don't think you can use two 1660's as one
lone vector
i wasted money lol rip
lone vector
thank you joesr, I can sell them on newegg.com right?
dawn plover
are you in the return time period?
lone vector
not necesarily
lone vector
i bought 2 pcs, same specs, thought I could just tape them togetyher or something
dawn plover
i mean you can use sum software that lets you control both simultaneously from one or the other but that won't necessarily improve perf
lone vector
oh
i took one apart, and tried to plug everything in togehter
like scrounge up the materials
i had trouble booting until 2 days ago
mild plinth
If your PSU isn't modular you won't be able to add cables...
also if it is modular, the cables should have been included I believe
plain pilot
@mild plinth It is a EVGA SuperNOVA 850Watt G2
waxen iron
evga sells custom cables for that G2
have a P2 myself and have some sexy red cables from them
desert flare
what happened with the restock?
signal hill
I just installed my new gpu but now I am reading that I am supposed to remove old drivers before installing a new gpu. Can I just uninstall the drivers and install the new ones?
hollow zephyr
Yeah you prolly should've done that beforehand
But I don't think it matters all that much
signal hill
Well my gpu died so I couldn’t have done that
signal hill
Xfx rx 5600 xt thicc II
high jay
rip graphics card. My brother's 980ti is dying slowly and he's praying it holds out long enough for the 3000 supply to normalize
lone pond
F
signal hill
What does the blue light on my gpu mean?
hollow zephyr
It's gonna blow up
urban basalt
guys when is the rtx 3060 coming in stock
true jewel
yo anyone know a good gpu for 300 USD
inland hound
yo anyone know a good gpu for 300 USD
5700XT if you can find one
inland hound
guys when is the rtx 3060 coming in stock
all the time, you just need to keep a close eye on newegg
true jewel
5700XT if you can find one
damn do they go back on stock?
inland hound
sometimes
gotta get one before bots snatch it up
they come back in stock more often than any other card so you should hopefully get lucky
otherwise, put yourself on EVGA's waiting list for one
true jewel
ight thanks
errant inlet
they come back in stock more often than any other card so you should hopefully g...
I was trying to monitor the 3080 strix card but I got an ip ban for 24 hours for it.
faint kindle
Never heard of it
lone pond
Hmm well I guess it’s probably not that safe
Thats site is fake
Nobody would sell s 3060 ti below MSRP
wild quest
Nobody would sell s 3060 ti below MSRP
Nah its legit, only catch is theyre selling the wish edition 3060tisuper
hollow zephyr
quartz hatch
i wanna get a 2060
400 canadian for a 2060s
winged merlin
Anyone wanna explain how to fix a 1070 with power to it but the fans tick instead of spin?
Any solution you can think of?
winged merlin
Nah I don’t think it’s dirty
Like I ain’t the best with cleaning them as I don’t have a real place to do it
Which sucks
Oh in that regard
The card is pristine
I haven’t gotten the ability to look at the PCB tho
lone pond
guys my gt710 isnt running fortnite at 30 fps anymore any1 know the problem 🤔
winged merlin
I can’t get 30fps on fortnite out of my 645
Like idk how the 710 can
It was serious about that like that could be the issue
It could have changed settings too by mistake with an update
@lone pond check that
lone pond
hmm
winged merlin
My current pc gets about 200+ in basically everything at 1080p on any settings
Except
Shadow of the tomb raider
Like I just can’t squeeze out another 30
Ah not bad not bad
My sisters for a 5700xt
Yeah that’s a good upgrade I’d say
Nice!
sharp trellis
Welcome to PC Master race
dusk oasis
what do you guys recommend me , getting the 3060ti at 600$ on a local site or getting it on newegg
or try to get it on new egg
but how i’m supposed to get it with the stock problems 😭😭😭
i have all in my house
but i can’t use my pc because i’m missing the gpu
spare relic
GT 710
coarse spindle
Be Quiet!
waxen iron
Noctua
cold parrot
Picked this up yesterday at best buy
waxen iron
damn you lucky man
regal light
I thought they didn't have them in store?
regal light
Oh I thought it was shipped to you.
cold parrot
I was aiming for a 3070 but this was the 2nd best
regal light
Yeah I'm trying to find a 3070 but I'll take a 3060 ti if I find one
Sadly the 3080 is a bit over my budget and so is the 3090
cold parrot
Shipping wasn’t an option so I had to do curbside
I actually ordered 2 3060tis
But then canceled 1
regal light
Did you have to constantly refresh their site?
cold parrot
Because I found the founders
No
I just sorta hopped on after looking at RTX bot
And got really lucky
regal light
Nice, I'm happy for you!
coarse spindle
if you give me a large sum of money
there is a 1/10 chance you will get a bot of some kind
cold parrot
RTX bot is a Twitter account
And a discord called stock drops
Just let’s you know when somethings released
serene eagle
Heya - can anyone recommend an alternate graphics card (video card?) for the AMD budget build found on Newegg? https://www.newegg.ca/tools/custom-pc-builder/share/I43hC5QaY7YUWWGWUxWm3u0XxgtUkoUq?desc=Budget
I know nothing about this, but they're out of stock on the recommended video card.
cursive canopy
@cold parrot did you install it yet?
fickle sequoia
I would say try to buy a used video card.
cold parrot
I did to see what it would look like in the system despite me still waiting for my cpu lol
serene eagle
Any recommendation as to where? Wouldn't know what's reputable.
fickle sequoia
facebook marketplace, look for a 1060 6gb, 2060 or 1660ti near you
serene eagle
Ok, thank you!
night narwhal
I know it's likely marginal.. but about what % would be the performance hit of a 6800xt graphics card running on 4.0x8 or 8x lanes, versus the full x16? cant seem to find anything on it
idle stratus
it shouldn't be that bad but the only thing I found was a gamers nexus benchmark from the 10 series which could be less of a hit because of how old they are but idk @night narwhal
night narwhal
yea, i heard they can reach above 4.0x8 (essentially 3.0x16 i think) but cant find any numbers on it. I know it's not that much, but i just wanna how much of a performance loss i'll be sacrificing if using a b550 over the x570, when I need 20 cpu lanes on the pcie
formal shard
You guys seen the new 3050 and 3080ti leaks?
fickle sequoia
yeah i want a 3080ti heard they will be 20gb xD
lone pond
Should I get an RTX 3070 or wait for Ti
fickle sequoia
Should I get an RTX 3070 or wait for Ti
sure, but don't buy it from scalpers scumbags
fickle sequoia
yes
tender mulch
8 GB is pushing it for 4K but 1440p and less, yes.
fickle sequoia
a few games will run perfectly for 4k with 60 fps, like doom eternal
lone pond
rose adder
personally I am waiting for the TI / Super cards to launch
rich slate
SRock Phantom Gaming D Radeon RX 5500 XT 8G OC Video Card
or PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card
cyber punk, and i just cant wait anymore. i wanna have a good time on the game but not have a bad experience with 1080 p gaming
219 for the 5500xt and 385 for the 5700
they both are great deals
nimble gulch
5700 @rich slate 5500xt is too weak
rich slate
thank you, it pains me tho knowing im buying the 3080 tho right when stock starts to clear up in about 2 months
and spending 400
lol
rose adder
I mean
if you have free time it is possible to get a card
if you are spending 3080 levels of money imo it would be better to wait for 3080 20gb
that will last longer
rose adder
rumors it's going to be released in Jan, but it is speculation
but it is almost certain at some point in 2021 there will be a 20gb card
with near 3090 levels of performance for aroung $1000
it will be more expensive for sure but generally the ti cards last longer
rich slate
no point in trying to get that card @rose adder
rose adder
like if you got 1080 ti at launch it would still be relevant today
idk I got a 5900x on launch day without a bot or anything
rich slate
its gunna go outta stock and i could get the 3080 base default
rose adder
just need to be smart about it
tropic swift
Prob is if you were unable to get a 3080 there is not guaranty you will get a 3080 ti. I’d recommend getting the card you want if you see one pop up.
rich slate
they have shortages, honestly and most of my speculating freinds have said that stock will be more then likely just as small or even smaller then the 3080 release
winged merlin
Lmao
rich slate
already know it. but im not a scumbag to run my bot for these gpu's lol
winged merlin
Legit just lurk Newegg at 7pm
rose adder
what's unethical about using a bot?
rose adder
everyone has access to open source libraries necessary to write one
winged merlin
Bots and scalpers suck 🤣
rich slate
bots are illegal anyways
rose adder
quite frankly a race to checkout fastest is just as unfair
winged merlin
They ruin the gpu market
rich slate
@winged merlin so true
winged merlin
They ruin EVERY market
rose adder
no
rich slate
yup
rose adder
supply shortages ruin the market
rose adder
bots or people, it's going to maybe sell out 1 second slower
rich slate
ps5 and xbox didnt have silicon shortages and other issues
winged merlin
Wut
fickle sequoia
1st it was the phones and bitcoin miner ruining the gpu market, and now we got bot scalpers on top.
rich slate
bots is what ruined that market
rose adder
ps5 and xbox very much have shortages and certainly have bots buying them too
winged merlin
If they made bots illegal it would be so nice
rose adder
they are higher volume but still in short supply
tropic swift
We would have the same issue with with or without bots
winged merlin
My guy
There was some dude with 15 ps5s
Like you can’t buy them that fast without a bot
rose adder
I'm not advocating for scalping
tropic swift
Difference is maybe you get one
rose adder
I am saying if you are an individual user who wants to buy a gpu for their own personal use
fickle sequoia
some guy near my town as 45 ps5
rose adder
there is nothing wrong with a bot
in fact, if normal users have bots, it gives scalpers less power
winged merlin
There was someone near here with 50 of them
Posted a picture bragging about his bot
He was robbed the next day
Karma.
All 50 gone
rose adder
I literally never condoned scalping
winged merlin
I lost my mind laughing at that karma
rose adder
scalping and bots are different
rich slate
also asking what is unethical. 1 the scalping which im sure you aggree with. but 2 the biggest issue is that the whole point in lines and ques and every SINGLE market is to have fair sale.
rose adder
so a race to checkout faster is "fair"?
rose adder
for the most part it's just a measure of who has lower latency
winged merlin
Than going to an Apple store
A week before launch
To get a phone
Than waiting online
rich slate
no. because you cut lines with a bot
winged merlin
Just for a bot to cut the line
rose adder
if you are on fiber you have good chance, copper maybe but probably not, and satellite internet in rural America? no chance of getting gpu
winged merlin
Like what
rose adder
it's not fair either wayu
winged merlin
LMAO your dense
winged merlin
Thinking bots is okay
rose adder
libraries are open source
winged merlin
Hurts my brain
fickle sequoia
it's not normal for me to buy my 3060 ti in under 45 seconds
rich slate
yea, bots are free based tech. but its unethical to use on people
winged merlin
It takes about 1 minute to checkout on average
20 seconds or less with a bot
Like wut
Okay
Fair I guess
rich slate
sooner then that trash
fickle sequoia
aimboting gpu, lol, true.
winged merlin
It’s basically what they do
fickle sequoia
mhmm
winged merlin
Exactly.
rose adder
so you would rather only scalpers use bots?
winged merlin
No one
rose adder
rather than everyone have access to them?
winged merlin
Make it illegal
rose adder
you can't ban bots lmao
rich slate
bots are mostly illegal anywayts
rich slate
@winged merlin
rose adder
emulating a full web browser is trivial
winged merlin
you have to wait 30 seconds at each interval
And then you can progress
Everyone goes same speed
It’s fair
Wow is that hard? 🤦♂️
No but that’s illogical
Cause then the scalpers get mad
rich slate
legit the best way for them to do this is if they had a system where you had to do 3 layer check out system with captcha and few other annoying things, it would solve the bot issue
winged merlin
THANK YOU
Newegg staff get on this please
End the scalpers
I love how basically all the ratings on the GPUs are 1 star
rich slate
i mean my brother isnt a scalper but he uses bots. i hate the scalpers to. but i just dont want anyone to use bot period
fickle sequoia
as long newegg sell their stock, i don't think they care.
tropic swift
Newegg have turned into 15% scalpers themselves by selling bundles.
rose adder
I am sure most retailers made the calculation on whether such a system would be worth the investment in software development and evidently decided against it
tropic swift
So am I just saying lol
winged merlin
I just keep the parts and do nothing with them
rich slate
lol @tropic swift
no because in the past bots werent a huge huge huge issue as it is with every release this year
winged merlin
I had the chance to buy 3 of the new GPUs in person. I’ve had 0 online chances
I just don’t need them so I don’t do it
fickle sequoia
the bundle was a good idea tho, since, you need a 8 pin connector to plug in those recent GPU, and a lot of peoples will run old PSU with 6 pins.
tropic swift
I wouldn’t use a cable from those gpus with my main gpu.
rich slate
@fickle sequoia the only issue with psus are the price spike atm
tropic swift
Lol
winged merlin
Imagine not having 1000w
fickle sequoia
i got mine for 120 canadian, which hurt, but my PSU, was 9 years old. so worth.
rose adder
well I'm just saying none of us have the power to change the fact that bots work, but every gpu secured by a bot going to an end user is one less gpu that goes to a scalper
tropic swift
I don’t have 1000w and it’s 1000% no problem
winged merlin
Mine cost me a solid 190 at microcenter
I couldn’t get away with my 750 for my current build
Not enough 8pins
I need 6 of them 
rich slate
one less goes to a scalper yes and one less goes to a every day consumer or a 50 year old vet who prides himself in gaming
rose adder
well.. not really, if we are operating on the premise that a different bot would have secured the card, the 50 year old vet would never get the card in any senario
the only way for the person you cited to get the card... is to use abot
either you get it or a scalper at this point
winged merlin
Sisko I’m sure you’re in like the 0.01% who thinks bots are okay for purchases but please...
They’re Illegal for a reason
rose adder
I just don't understand your position
winged merlin
Because it’s unfair
fickle sequoia
life is unfair sadly.
rich slate
i legit have to wait 6 hours outside of microcenter to secure me one, and to not know if they even for sure got stock that day AFTER A 3 HOUR DRIVE. this is my only option atm
fickle sequoia
or else we would be all rich with 3 3090 in SLI
winged merlin
Life is unfair you’re not wrong
dreamy dragonBOT
! *TrashPanda*#6515 has been warned
rose adder
not everyone lives near a microcenter, so microcenter should be banned because it is unfair too
winged merlin
I Swear this bot
rose adder
I mean
fickle sequoia
potty mouth@
rose adder
think of the 50 year old vet who lives far away
winged merlin
CAN FREAKIN GO TO HEL
fickle sequoia
🧑💻
rose adder
microcenter should just not get any gpu
rose adder
that's how I see your reasoning
if anything, more people have the ability to write a bot than the time to refresh 24/7 or ability to drive to microcenter
rich slate
well... even then @fickle sequoia i know thats a joke but like people who also have a card go so low atm and lower the market,. 3080 came out on my brithday also no. because microcenter is a luxury to have near you. you have to SPEND YOUR TIME, YOUR SWEAT, YOUR RISK OF GETTING COVID IN A CITY and a LONG LONG WAIT TIMe to get it
my only inconvience is that its a three hour drive
@rose adder
i dont mind the drive. i dont mind it because im securing my spot in a good que. however still with botting you cut lines. and you cut straight to ez secure. ez clap, ez dub
fickle sequoia
remember employee also buy the stock before the clients
winged merlin
That’s your advantage of working for them 😂
rich slate
yea, i think thats fine, because they wont sell out, and most cases they limit how many they give out to employees
winged merlin
Like I get free ER visits and 0 cost hosptial stays for the company I work for under our hospital’s coverage network 😂 companies determine the benefits you get for working for them
rich slate
i worked at bestbuy i think it was and they limited 3 of these new cpus to employees if they wanted to buy it before release
fickle sequoia
walmart seem to have no rules
winged merlin
Have you ever been in a Walmart at like
rose adder
Amazon is where most of the bots are I think
winged merlin
3am?
tropic swift
Haha
rose adder
newegg and best buy actually have pretty decent protection
winged merlin
It explains itself
fickle sequoia
recently, 4 ps5 were in stock and the employee were buying them up, someone on tiktok called them out
winged merlin
Bestbuy has anti bot set up
rich slate
new egg is where most the bots are vs amazon
rose adder
walmart doesn't have as much stock
eh
I got a 5900x with no bot
on launch day
so like whatever they did worked
also they texted me a verification code for my Discover card
it would take a pretty sophisticated bot to get around that
winged merlin
Exactly
rich slate
5900x, remember not as big big issue as of this year
and yea, that was a good use of there systems
winged merlin
Hell I had a 3060ti in hand at bestbuy
rich slate
@winged merlin you can still use bots on best buy
rose adder
I thought best buy you needed to order online
winged merlin
They have a decent one set up to counter it tho
rich slate
tru
winged merlin
Nope my store had a ton in person
rose adder
I think best buy bots are hard to write but the demand is super high because the console releases are a much bigger deal than pc hardware
rich slate
best buy microcenter and amazon are the big three in retailers. but best buy is on the lower end of the spectrum
in person tho they are worth your time
instore
they ussually got good deals
rose adder
I generally get the vibe that Amazon doesn
't get much allocation
but they probably just sell out from the bots lmao
I don't know if amazon even limits one per customer
rose adder
I got my 2070 super for 360 from evga b stock
it was actually in stock for a good 15 minutes
honestly if you need something to tide you over evga drops some good deals, you might not even lose money if you sell within a year after getting ur new gpu
winged merlin
Imagine just not having bestbuy mess up their pc repair and giving you 2 2080ti for free
rose adder
lmao what
winged merlin
Yep 😂
They scuffed a pc repair
And accidentally gave me a second prebuilt I bought
And then refunded the whole thing
So I got 2 full PCs
For nothing
fickle sequoia
wtf
winged merlin
Bought a 5700xt, gave it to my sister, 1 to my mom with basic nvidia GPUs for outputs, and built myself a rig with the dual 2080ti
😂😂😂
fickle sequoia
lucky a$$ mofo
fickle sequoia
rose adder
damn
winged merlin
Best Buy computer systems be wack in store
rose adder
and I thought I was lucky for knowing someone with access to intel employee discount
winged merlin
LOL just abuse broken bestbuy computer systems
fickle sequoia
tell me your way
winged merlin
The rebate was meant to be 9.99% but it was put in as 99.9%
rich slate
winged merlin
I got a 3 pack of Corsair RGB fans for 15 bucks
fickle sequoia
winged merlin
LMAO HOLD UP
rose adder
pretty sure they just don't have enough 7nm capacity
cursive canopy
once I get a new PSU... I can use my 3060ti... it's literally staring at me... saying "why you no install me?"
winged merlin
THEYRE CHANGING ARCHITECTURE MID GO?
rich slate
scalpers on ebay toy with people by starting bid only with retail value aswell
garetees always goes over 1000
because i wouldnt mind adding 200 more dollars to a gpu that i want this badly and is top of the line but NOTHING more
rose adder
I'm not sure how this is punishing scalpers, by the time these gpus are released they will have sold their cards
and they will just scalp the new cards instead
rich slate
no because people know the 3080 ti is coming out aswell. its been long enough news that 3080 was in the plans and nvidia ALWAYS puts something wher ethere isnt a price point. and yes, they will scalp the new cards to
but less people will wanna buy the lower end
of the spectrum
rose adder
the people buying scalped cards aren't exactly the brightest
if they were forward thinking enough to know to wait for a 3080 ti they would know paying like $1200 for a 3080 is stupid
cursive canopy
i'm waiting for someone to say they met a scalper, and cleaned out their car with 20 scalped cards 😄 Free* lol
fickle sequoia
fair price
rose adder
From china no less
rich slate
cursive canopy
is there enough VR games out there yet?
rich slate
speaking of free btw
rose adder
rich slate
rose adder
it's cheaper on amazon
fickle sequoia
MSI factory in china got 3 pallet full of 3090 stolen a few days back
cursive canopy
i read about that... wonder who is going to sell them?? O.O
fickle sequoia
the CCP
rose adder
they will probably sell it to miners at a discount or something like that
cursive canopy
but 3090 for mining?? ehhh
cursive canopy
they digging up diamonds/coal? O.O
fickle sequoia
say one of my screen is waddling pretty bad, cheap a$$ stand, you guys got something to offer me for a quick fix
tall moat
gum
fickle sequoia
i tried
rose adder
prop up on thicc textbook
fickle sequoia
lol
rose adder
if you buy usa edition textbook it's probably worth more than ur monitor
cursive canopy
need a loan for college school books in US
rose adder
I am lucky I've only had to get one expensive textbook so far
all others I've been able to find a pdf online or buy the international edition which is much more reasonably priced
cursive canopy
and they come out with a new edition just about every year, so professors want you to get the latest edition
rose adder
but for calc 3 they made us buy the textbook to get the code to unlock the online homework
such a scam
can't even buy used
tall moat
and they make new editions every year anyway with slight differences.
cursive canopy
lol
rich slate
ran the price up on a item which has 2 bots that will perma over bid you to a certain price point
cursive canopy
skynet is online.... so it begins!
weary axle
If anyone selling a 3060ti lmk 😭
rich slate
people use it on there own products
pale knot
What is GeForce Now and should I activate it from the free code that came with my gpu?
cursive canopy
no clue
rose adder
I don't really understand the reasoning behind including geforce now with a high power gpu
like isn't the whole point of the gpu so you don't need to game stream?
cursive canopy
do we at least get a sticker?
dusk oasis
If anyone selling a 3060ti lmk 😭
@weary axle me too i need i it now 😭😭😭😭😭
fickle sequoia
what free code
rose adder
there are some discord servers and youtube livestreams tracking 3060 stock
if u actually want to get one
dusk oasis
why would i want a 500 dollar picture
fathom lintel
is anywhere still selling the nvidia 3070 for a good price
pale knot
With my 3060 ti from Newegg it came with a free code for GeForce Now
cursive canopy
you and I wouldn't. but think some selling them to either scam the bots, or for jokes
fickle sequoia
why would i want a 500 dollar picture
4k picture, duh!
dusk oasis
With my 3060 ti from Newegg it came with a free code for GeForce Now
@pale knot how did you get the gpu 😦
rose adder
why tf would someone write a bot for ebay
pale knot
Luck and a stock checking discord
dusk oasis
4k picture, duh!
@fickle sequoia seems worth
cursive canopy
some wrote a bot to make folks who scalp get way outrageous prices?
dreamy dragonBOT
King Zeushlar#5198 has been warned
rich slate
this stuff is a amazing
fickle sequoia
What is GeForce Now and should I activate it from the free code that came with m...
how did you get a code with the gpu.
rich slate
yes @cursive canopy
dusk oasis
it comes with it> how did you get a code with the gpu.
@fickle sequoia
pale knot
it was just there with my gpu after the order was placed
rich slate
how 3080 on release date came to prices like 80000 dollars
rose adder
when I ordered my 5900x I had to ask newegg support for my far cry 6 code
sometimes their site glitches and the promos don't get included with ur order
cursive canopy
I think i broke the F5 key on keyboard to get my 3060ti... but turns out my PS either not working properly or under watts.. lol
rose adder
on best buy I think once you click add to card you should stop refreshing
fickle sequoia
rose adder
nvidia's site had virtually no bot protection and also allowed bots to order like 50 cards
like you didn't even need javascript emulation, just spam a bunch of requests
fickle sequoia
🤢
rose adder
sometimes I wonder if amd deliberately broke their site on launch day to throw off the bots
for the industry leader in artificial intelligence you would think they would come up with some high tech solution
Nvidia that is
ripe ivy
Like 40 - 50 fps 1080p Medium
winged merlin
If at all ngl
lone pond
how well do you think a 5500 xt 8gb OC would run CP2077
i bet 40-60 on low and maybe 30 on medium
1080p
ripe ivy
rich slate
well 200 dollars and it will atleast let me run the game
i dont see a issue in buying it
200 dollars to tide me over til 3080 congestion clears
rich slate
not exactly, they still will have shortages. and i bet there release is gunna have less then they did with 3080. silicon shortages are reallllllly bad atm
ripe ivy
Apparently they've been selling directly to miners
rich slate
but ye attention will be shifted
gritty notch
well 200 dollars and it will atleast let me run the game
Id wait, youll have a better experience once it has a few more patches tbh
rich slate
i dont mind playing with current state of the game. i like to watch as improvments go through since i will be replaying it alot @gritty notch
that why im impatient lol
2gb xfx 560 doesnt do my the job to even try and start the game
gritty notch
Lmao true
Im just saying as someone whos put 65 hours into it so far
And tbh half the charm is the graphics
rich slate
65 hours in cyber punk 
would your opinion change in my situation if you still planned on buying 3080
when it clears up
rich slate
ah gotcha gotcha 
ty for the opinions and help
gritty notch
Like id get a used card, then when ur done just clean it up and resell
Hell u might even turn profit
rich slate
i probably will do that but put it in a new build to sell
dry moth
hello
rich slate
hello
dry moth
do you guys know when i’ll be able to buy a 3060ti on best buy
they just added new cards
coming soon
dry moth
mmk
rich slate
people are reselling that at 700 dollars
dry moth
yeah
rich slate
february "supposably" will clear out silicon shortages
you might be able to get your hands on it maybe during january
when 3080 is supposed to drop
3080 ti*
rich slate
i recommend getting into microcenters and nvidias discords
dry moth
can you dm me an invite?
ripe ivy
"Sun Glasses" 
gusty cave
What’s better a 4gb 5500xt or the rx580
rigid crag
my gpu temps have gone up significantly since i upgraded my cpu and aio. Any idea why? Maybe its a software bug
ripe ivy
More heat circulating in the case?
rigid crag
More heat circulating in the case?
would that ammount for a 15 degree increase?
ripe ivy
I'm not sure, what did you upgrade to?
rigid crag
r5 3600 on stealth cooler to a 5800x on a kraken x73
everything is in a td500 mesh btw
ripe ivy
Where did you install the radiator? And are the fans on it exhausing or intaking air?
cursive canopy
is the temperature in the room a bit warmer? that usually causes my system to show an increase of temps.. but also check to make sure the fans on AIO is intake to pull in the "cooler" air
cursive canopy
did you use a piece of paper to double check that it's intake?? i had to re-do the fans on one when I built the AIO on the top too...
ripe ivy
Are the fans on the front intaking?
cursive canopy
is there an exhaust fan in back somewhere?
rigid crag
I don't have the exhaust fan installed rn
ripe ivy
Was there any prior?