Jesus, the "facts" just keep getting worse
#graphics-cards
uneven portal
lone pond
the 3070 is pretty good (i just think the 3070 is a literal 2080 ti but way cheaper)
@raven fogthats what it was marketed as
raven fog
@raven fog
@lone pond they claimed the 3070 to be "better"
ripe ivy
It is better... at Raytracing sometimes
raven fog
well a gpu is a gpu\
ripe ivy
Eh still bad for a 70 card
ripe ivy
The trend with the price increase
lone pond
even the 2070 super couldn't out perform the 1080 ti entirely
raven fog
bruh why are the gtx 1080 still go for $300
ripe ivy
The 1070 was $379, then the 2070 shot up to $599 with the original FE model right?
brisk flame
we compare price to the performance of the card, not the SKU number
ripe ivy
Sure the 3070 looks great because the 2080Ti was over a grand
lone pond
The 1070 was $379, then the 2070 shot up to $599 with the original FE model right?
@ripe ivy because it introduced Ray tracing
ripe ivy
But it shouldn't have been that much realistically
lone pond
which they overhyped and soon reduced prices
ripe ivy
Nonsense, convenient excuse
lone pond
yet the 2070 super was 500$
brisk flame
these cards cost whatever nvidia wants to sell them for
lone pond
ripe ivy
And really they were charging more because they just came off of the mining boom of 2017
brisk flame
if you dont like the pricing, dont buy em
raven fog
ripe ivy
They loved getting over a grand for 1080Tis
brisk flame
well, people were buying em for a grand
ripe ivy
And there in lies the problem of course, I acknowledge this 
lone pond
What's a good price for a 1080ti?
lone pond
Ah
brisk flame
i would say actually
lone pond
Because I was looking at offer up and there is a 1080ti oc brand new for $350
brisk flame
thats not bad
lone pond
I'll send the link lol
Check out this Geforce GTX 1080 Ti Graphics card for $350 on OfferUp https://offerup.co/HZUFULKqwbb
muted isle
GTX 1080 Ti is one of the best price/performance cards nowadays
burnt parcel
Best Buy do be Coming Soon
lone pond
@brisk flame
brisk flame
yeah yeah i see it
raven fog
Check out this Geforce GTX 1080 Ti Graphics card for $350 on OfferUp https://offerup.co/HZUFULKqwbb
@lone pond nah
don't get that
muted isle
But you have to be aware that the GTX 1080 Ti wont be able to handle ray tracing since the entire new generation of games this decade will have ray tracing
raven fog
unless u haggle that boi to 250
brisk flame
its hard to trust offerup, because their buyer protection isnt very good
lone pond
But you have to be aware that the GTX 1080 Ti wont be able to handle ray tracing since the entire new generation of games this decade will have ray tracing
@muted isle 1080 ti literally doesn't have tensor cores
of course it can't
brisk flame
RT cores*
vagrant phoenix
30 series can be had
lone pond
Lol I wasn't thinking of buying it I was just looking at the prices
brisk flame
not tensor cores
muted isle
I know it physically cant
potent rampart
1080 cant do RT ?
brisk flame
but itll do it
lone pond
not tensor cores
@brisk flame 1080 ti literally doesn't have tensor cores
brisk flame
doesnt need them?
brisk flame
RT cores and tensor cores are different things
ripe ivy
It can do it, it's just not built for it
potent rampart
ahhhh s
brisk flame
im like 90% sure on that
@potent rampart and you are incorrect
brisk flame
yeah, thats why i dont do it
lone pond
misread it as you trying to say 1080ti didn't have Rt cores but had tensor
ripe ivy
I think they do reflections too
burnt parcel
Coming Soon
brisk flame
ray tracing in games doesnt require a certain gpu type
DLSS however, does
ray tracing performance is heavily increased with RT cores found in RTX cards
naive girder
guys very important, how long did the 6800xt last in stock
hazy glacier
Hm.
fossil talon
Ngl DLSS 👌
craggy jay
less than a second
naive girder
really though
hazy glacier
RT in MW2019 is like on gun, light RT with shadows, maybe a lil reflections
brisk flame
@vernal roost stop spewing nonsense please
hazy glacier
That's just it
ripe ivy
Didn't even see them in stock
fossil talon
When I was on today, the RX 6800/XT sold out in like 22s
naive girder
how long did the 6800xt last
craggy jay
i refereshed the page and the stock was out
hazy glacier
Lighting also works on gun only for MW2019 RTX
naive girder
When I was on today, the RX 6800/XT sold out in like 22s
@fossil talon omg
brisk flame
well, to be fair, most of you are wrong
brisk flame
no, i am talking about ray tracing in general, i was using cod as an example
You are talking about cod ray tracing
@vernal roost
craggy jay
Anyone have a clue when the 6800xt will be reliably in stock?
gilded hawk
even with a 3080
i still dont like ray tracing
ray tracing is still a gimmick to me
fossil talon
Anyone have a clue when the 6800xt will be reliably in stock?
@craggy jay
Like the 30s series likely Q1/Q2 2021
muted isle
Anyone have a clue when the 6800xt will be reliably in stock?
@craggy jay no idea it could turn out to be a new 3080 when it comes to stock
ripe ivy
It's still a gimmick, until path tracing replaces rasterization I really don't think it matters
naive girder
wait instead of rtx in minecraft cant i just get a shader lol
brisk flame
I am talking about a whole game being raytraced
@vernal roost i understand that not all lighting in a game uses raytracing, duh, whats your point?
craggy jay
Ok thanks guys, got an r7 240 rn xD
ripe ivy
Well that's what I mean
muted isle
ray tracing is still a gimmick to me
@gilded hawk but the games will increasingly rely on engines that support raytracing
so its inevitable you'll be forced to switch
brisk flame
and?
ripe ivy
The hardware isn't quite there yet, so until it is I don't see its value
gilded hawk
guys remember the ray tracing perfomance benchmarks isnt 100 percent yet. most games are optimzied for nvidias ray tracing and amd hasnt released their dlss yet
craggy jay
The thought that raytracing is a gimmick still is kinda dumb
naive girder
Ok nvm, sold out again
@fossil talon lmao
brisk flame
yes, lighting effects will continue to improve
craggy jay
its mainstream now
gilded hawk
dont judge the 6800xt ray tracing just yet. im sure once amd comes out with their dlss it will be great
brisk flame
Raytracing is more than just lighting effects lmfao
@vernal roost nope, thats all it is, lighting
ripe ivy
Well it still needs maturation
brisk flame
yep
naive girder
@vernal roost nope, thats all it is, lighting
@brisk flame no dude
craggy jay
@vernal roost even if it were just lighting effects, those still aren't gimmicks. No one says volumetric lighting is a gimmick.
mighty lion
i got a product key for godfall after buying an rx5700xt. How do i use it?
naive girder
saturation, brightness, lighting is a very broad term lol
brisk flame
lighting is more than just light in games
muted isle
dont judge the 6800xt ray tracing just yet. im sure once amd comes out with their dlss it will be great
@gilded hawk This generation of AMD will have somewhat underwhelming ray tracing capabilities, they said that, perhaps that will be fixed in the next generation
brisk flame
its a whole lot more
muted isle
But for this generation, Nvidia solos in ray tracing
naive girder
lighting is a lot more than just brightness dude
brisk flame
everything you think is ray tracing falls under lighting
gilded hawk
amd promised everything in their presentation
they didnt say ray tracing was gonna be their main focus
brisk flame
dude
blissful basin
Anyone got their hands on an amd one?
gilded hawk
amd is still a great viable option
muted isle
they didnt say ray tracing was gonna be their main focus
@gilded hawk yes that's why I said that
craggy jay
@gilded hawk This generation of AMD will have somewhat underwhelming ray tracing capabilities, they said that, perhaps that will be fixed in the next generation
@muted isle The performance is by no means underwhelming. they beat Nvidias first try on their first try. It's impressive
ripe ivy
Well there is a reason they didn't feature it in their presentation
stoic folio
@mighty lion put the code in to steam or epic
ripe ivy
And yeah I agree, their first try is anything but underwhelming
muted isle
amd promised everything in their presentation
@gilded hawk AMD is implementing ray tracing now, keep your hopes up for the next generation tho
naive girder
yeah
gilded hawk
yeah even 3080 still struggles with ray tracing
muted isle
@muted isle The performance is by no means underwhelming. they beat Nvidias first try on their first try. It's impressive
@craggy jay Ray tracing wise yes it is.
twin sigil
I get 85fps on Quake 2 RTX with my 3080
ripe ivy
I dunno about kill
lone pond
yes i said that 3080 still struggles
@gilded hawk what
ripe ivy
But this is really good pace
brisk flame
@vernal roost i think you are misunderstanding me, lighting is literally everything that isnt rendering textures onto objects, when i say lighting, I mean it in literally the most generic sense possible
ripe ivy
No not always
mighty lion
@stoic folio that doesnt help
ripe ivy
But it's been years since they haven't been
naive girder
Rn its very close but nvidia is still a bit on top, but i think next gen radeon will kill nvidia
muted isle
Hasn't Nvidia always had the top of the line GPU?
@vernal roost that's normal by now, AMD is finally bringing competition, even if it couldn't take Nvidia out of the top
lone pond
Hasn't Nvidia always had the top of the line GPU?
@vernal roost for a while yeah but not always
Rn its very close but nvidia is still a bit on top, but i think next gen radeon will kill nvidia
@naive girder nah
nvidia has the upper hand they just need to keep it
brisk flame
so that includes lighting effects, shadows, reflections, etc
twin sigil
Just try to run Control at max settings at 4K. RT is still very expensive even with a 3080.
gilded hawk
i swear the 3080 ray tracing still struggles
brisk flame
lol
ripe ivy
Radeon was peak form with the HD 5000 series
muted isle
Rn its very close but nvidia is still a bit on top, but i think next gen radeon will kill nvidia
@naive girder It'll be like this always each generation of both Nvidia and AMD will trade blows
twin sigil
Colors and shadows are a result of light bounce canculations
gilded hawk
the 3080 ray tracing has more fps but not the sweet spot yet
twin sigil
Which are still lighting effects.
lone pond
the 3080 ray tracing has more fps but not the sweet spot yet
@gilded hawk i reaches 80-100 fps in most games
ripe ivy
And they were pretty decent up until Fury, Fury was kind of a let down
lone pond
with DLSS
ripe ivy
It wasn't awful but it was lagging behind slightly and overpriced because of HBM
muted isle
yeah but the sweet spot is 144hz+
@gilded hawk There's no card capable of that in all games right now, man, perhaps only the 3090
brisk flame
Which are still lighting effects.
@twin sigil yeah, that was my point exactly, it just got misinterpreted, happens when communication is text based lol
lone pond
drivers are still new optimizations aren't perfected etc
twin sigil
I get 99fps with RTX on and DLSS at "1440p" in the new CoD
muted isle
A lot of the FPS also depends on the game's own optimization
lone pond
won't increase fps much but doesn't mean it struggles
gilded hawk
eh i still think ray tracing is a gimmick and trust me ive played watch dogs legion with rtx
i turned it off instantly
lone pond
u were playing watch dogs dude
muted isle
You can think that man
lone pond
crap game
muted isle
But what we're saying is that all cards from now on will have RT
All games from now on will have RT
twin sigil
I like ray tracing. It really doesn't exist much in games right now thought.
ripe ivy
Watch Dogs instabad the second Ubisoft said they were planning for it to be a franchise
gilded hawk
i feel like ray tracing in the future wont even be an option where you can turn it on
twin sigil
And I'm not buying Watchdogs just to see more RT
muted isle
5-10 years from now ray tracing will be the NEW standard
@vernal roost It already is becoming, the consoles adopting ray tracing is forcing the switch faster than some expected
lone pond
Competitive games won't have ray tracing for al ong time
twin sigil
Ugh
lone pond
too demanding
gilded hawk
yeah no need for ray tracing in compettiv though
muted isle
Nah consoles can't really adopt ray tracing that well
@vernal roost they will try lol
gilded hawk
competetive gamers arent looking for the best graphics in the world
that just want to be able to react fast and have best fps
stupid tenor
muted isle
Merry, that's your opinion
what we are saying is that every game and video cards company will adopt ray tracing
that's something we cant change
gilded hawk
not really i know a person on a esports team
and they dont even us high graphics
*use
gilded hawk
thats what i just said
lone pond
keep in mind you said "all games"
you can't just exclude games like CS League siege
etc
gilded hawk
i said all compettive gamers
*competitve
gamers not games
gamers are different from games
twin sigil
Depends on the game. Competitive Tekken players for example are locked to 60fps regardless.
lone pond
What
gilded hawk
but what im trying to say is that they wont be spending their time awing the graphics
muted isle
But the normal gamer will not do that
gilded hawk
like oo look at that pretty bush
muted isle
he wants a beautiful graphics
gilded hawk
yeah hence esports uses wired perphials
muted isle
But they're a minority in the gaming world
lone pond
not just one specific sector
But they're a minority in the gaming world
@muted isle No
ripe ivy
I'm like one of those 40 S&W guys, the perfect balance between performance and visuals 
lone pond
yup
@vernal roost No
muted isle
@muted isle No
@lone pond
minority when it comes to numbers
The majority of the gaming community is the normal gamer who tries to get the best graphics with reasonable FPS
lone pond
??????????????????????????
burnt parcel
Yall ever just Coming Soon
lone pond
the majority of the gaming community is the gamer that wants to be good at games
what you're talking about is enthusiasts
muted isle
And where does it differ from what I said, Mando?
muted isle
You can be good at games with great graphics and reasonable FPS
lone pond
higher fps higher hz = better response times
ripe ivy
I don't know what's happening, can we reset the subject?
burnt parcel
@ripe ivy Coming Soon?
burnt parcel
muted isle
majority of gaming = wants to be better at games
@lone pond Yes, but you'd like to play a game with faster FPS but bad graphics?
burnt parcel
gotta do what you gotta do
muted isle
If you do, then I think you're not the normal gamer
muted isle
I like to see good graphics when I play
lone pond
mandatory 144 FPS which would require me to lower graphics in certain parts
muted isle
And I'm still good regardless of that
naive girder
I just saw a review with a worse cpu than im gonna get and im definitely getting the 6800xt lol
like benchmark
it did better than the 3090 in that test
lone pond
i would still have to do so
muted isle
mandatory 144 FPS which would require me to lower graphics in certain parts
@lone pond which game?
lone pond
with a 3080
muted isle
and which graphics card as well
muted isle
That's true in competitive games people wont enable those
lone pond
omg no
muted isle
wtf
lone pond
the average joe gamer wants to play with his friends on games
not have graphics
people have lifes
no
muted isle
Average joe will play at 30 fps with everything on maxz
lone pond
the average joe doesn't care
muted isle
max*
twin sigil
Average Joe thinks 30fps is fine
muted isle
the average joe doesn't care
@lone pond all my friends do that dude, max settings even if the fps suffers lol
lone pond
the average joe you're talking about is the person who spends 3 thousand on a pc and thinks its nothing
muted isle
of couse the average dude does that
ripe ivy
Average Joe enjoys his Nintendo Switch
lone pond
people on a budget don't do anything you're talking about lol
muted isle
then my friends wouldnt play at 40 fps just to have everything on dude
lone pond
so please explain to me why 90 million people bought the ps4
muted isle
lol
lone pond
please
muted isle
Because the PS4 is cheaper lol
lone pond
because they want to play games
ripe ivy
They wanted to play God of War and Uncharted probably
ripe ivy
Considering the overwhelming numbers, yeah average joe is a console gamer
muted isle
true lol
uncut relic
someone is happy today
muted isle
we can think on that fangds
ripe ivy
The average joe for pc gamers is probably me to a certain extent
muted isle
the average joe for pc gamers is the guy who plays at 40 fps to just have the best graphics
lone pond
I was thinking of the average joe for pc gamers
@vernal roost the same thing for pc gaming dude
muted isle
all my friends literally do that
lone pond
the MAJORITY of gamers are on 1080p
muted isle
Yes
lone pond
thats not beautiful graphics
muted isle
and they set the highest settings for 1080p
lone pond
max settings will run on that with a 5700 xt
thats like a 1k pc max
thats a budget
the average joe
DOES NOT SPEND 3 grand on a flashy pc
fossil talon
I game at 1080 and do autocad, the 3070 satisfies me considering the price
muted isle
But regardless they'll put the highest settings they can mando, that's what we're saying.
ripe ivy
1080p, 75hz, Rx 580. I don't have a ton of new games, the newest game I own is Death Stranding
And that's a game I'm alright with it dropping under 60
lone pond
350 million people played fortnite actively at one point dude
But regardless they'll put the highest settings they can mando, that's what we're saying.
@muted isle No they want high fps
because most people buy a pc not knowing everything lollllll
muted isle
Then none of my friends would set the highest settings
@muted isle No they want high fps
@lone pond
ripe ivy
BEEEEG NUMBER
lone pond
SO WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING THEM UP
muted isle
Do you know what are the prices like here?
lone pond
IRRELEVANT
muted isle
"idiots"
lone pond
yes
ripe ivy
One guy I know from Brasil rocks a GT 730 pre-built 👀
muted isle
Dear God, dude, everyone I know plays on highest settings even if on 1080p
they dont do that only if their fps is like 20
lone pond
BECAUSE THEY CAN GETTING HIGH FPS
muted isle
and even then they try to get the best graphics
It's actually the opposite, mando, the minority does what you say lol
People that play on PC's, the average joe, will try to achieve the best graphics his PC can deliver.
vagrant phoenix
What happened in here? lol
muted isle
I don't know as well lol
ripe ivy
Even 24fps can be playable 
hoary temple
You guys think a msi rx 5600 xt would go good with a ryzen 5 3600 ?
vagrant phoenix
Must have beena product launch... errbody mad
uneven portal
Why are people believing that upscaling is better than native?
ripe ivy
Because big number
uneven portal
Using DLSS specifically
vagrant phoenix
Native is always better than upscaling in quality. But upscaling can be really good and give better performance.
ripe ivy
Well if it looks almost as good as native, while being 50% faster than native you would say that's pretty good right?
Arguably better even
ripe ivy
Apparently some people here did
golden scaffold
xt? nope
ripe ivy
That was when everyone was scrambling to get it
golden scaffold
the 6800 (normal one) isn't on salte yet
vagrant phoenix
U know what I meant
vagrant phoenix
gross
golden scaffold
ok.
tulip sapphire
The AMD reddit is absolutely losing their xxxx
vagrant phoenix
lol good
golden scaffold
u hate amd?
vagrant phoenix
No, I just hate fanboys on all sides 🙂
golden scaffold
ohp
vagrant phoenix
It's hardware. Pick what you want and get it when you can. And know you'll have a .0000000000000001% chance of acquiring it on launch day or anytime soon after.
golden scaffold
i just want my 3070
fading shard
I got a 6800xt today
vagrant phoenix
My 3090 gets here Friday...party!
fossil talon
I support both sides. Whatever fits my needs at the right price point is good for me
fading shard
Pog maytheus
golden scaffold
he's a scalper
vagrant phoenix
What's pog?
golden scaffold
don't trust him
fossil talon
Yep EVGA 👌
tulip sapphire
It will never not be mildly funny to me how furiously angry a lot of people get when they can't buy something day one, and will send death threats and scream bloody murder at the company online, and blame anyone and eveything that they can't buy their cards that instant.
vagrant phoenix
Don't be jelly
fossil talon
Lol
golden scaffold
🤭
fossil talon
Day 1 3070FE buyer/owner....finally opened it today
vagrant phoenix
Pairing it with my 10900k and Maximus Hero XII
fossil talon
I hope you enjoy your 3090
vagrant phoenix
And EK watercooling
vagrant phoenix
I think I have about $3500 sunk itnto this so far
fading shard
Jesus
muted isle
It will never not be mildly funny to me how furiously angry a lot of people get when they can't buy something day one, and will send death treats and scream bloody murder at the company online, and blame anyone and eveything that they can't buy their cards that instant.
@tulip sapphire that's typical when it comes to any product really
golden scaffold
I'd have to assume you have a full tower
vagrant phoenix
o11dxl
golden scaffold
there's no point in not having one at hat point
fossil talon
Of course Lian Li Dynamic XL 👍
vagrant phoenix
34" LG Ultrawide
golden scaffold
insane in the membrane
vagrant phoenix
If my EK stuff gets here next week I'll get to build it finally
fossil talon
I'm building on this Friday/Saturday
tulip sapphire
My current build has been about 3800, with many compromises. 3080 instead of 3090, 5900x instead of 5950x, etc, aio instead of custom.
Still wildly expense, but whatever, still plan to replace it in a couple years *shrug *
fossil talon
Yep pricing rn is inflated or super weird
vagrant phoenix
Nah, cheaper now than it has been in a while
GPUs are down, memory is down, SSDs are down
This is my first all new build in 10 years so I went all out
Well, all out for me
tulip sapphire
Mine only needs to last 3 or so years, so I held back.
But it's to replace my now six year old comp
So it was much needed
vagrant phoenix
I built the 2500k machine I am on in 2010
muted isle
My current build has been about 3800, with many compromises. 3080 instead of 3090, 5900x instead of 5950x, etc, aio instead of custom.
@tulip sapphire I plan on building a workstation for engineering, Ryzen 9 5900X, RTX 3080 and 32 gb of ram
It's definitely a good PC
tulip sapphire
Basically the same, but 128 of ram.
muted isle
The major problem where I live is the pricing
Brazil puts a 60% imports tariff over every product's price
vagrant phoenix
yikes
vagrant phoenix
Thats nucking futs
hoary whale
"Wait you guys are getting graphics cards?"
tulip sapphire
I still use nvidia over amd because their software remains better until further notice.
shadow barn
2060 or 5800xt
vagrant phoenix
Whoa why the quotes?
muted isle
I still use nvidia over amd because their software remains better until further notice.
@tulip sapphire Nvidia has much more performance than AMD obviously, have you seen the benchmarks with workload comparisons between RX 6000 and RTX 3000?
vagrant phoenix
I don't know that generation well enough to advise
shadow barn
Bruh answer
vagrant phoenix
2060
tulip sapphire
Roll some dice
shadow barn
Ok
shadow barn
Why the 2060?
vagrant phoenix
Because I said so
shadow barn
Really good point there
vagrant phoenix
lol
shadow barn
But i wont accept it
shadow barn
Never needed yours we have a server filled with people
Who are probably more experienced
But ok
vagrant phoenix
My first build was a 486...pretty sure I am up there in xp
The answer to your question is Nvidia for anything prior to today
AMD shouldn't even be a consideration
austere current
Where can I buy the AMD cards I can't find a link to a retailer anywhere
topaz furnace
When best buy release?
tulip sapphire
I can't even find a benchmark for a 5800. Is that even a card that exists?
vagrant phoenix
No it doesn't exist
shadow barn
Yes it does
vagrant phoenix
Nope
tulip sapphire
Link
shadow barn
Bro can you literally stop
shadow barn
analog topaz
there is no radeon 5800
tulip sapphire
Well I super would not buy that
lone pond
https://technical.city/en/video/Radeon-RX-5800-XT
@shadow barn dude the buy link literally links to a 5700
spice prawn
@shadow barn yes, if you can now find that card on something that is actually a legit site :) you know, something like amd's own site :)
analog topaz
5700 xt prob sells on newegg
shadow barn
5800 doesnt exist
topaz furnace
When does best buy launch?
lone pond
we dont
shadow barn
new egg shipping be like
shadow barn
Ok live and kidney
analog topaz
best buy ain’t launching, i called today and the agents are reading a script
topaz furnace
@lone pond ik you don't know
spice prawn
@topaz furnace ask best buy customer service, they are best equipped to answer that
lone pond
@topaz furnace ask best buy customer service, they are best equipped to answer that
@spice prawn all CS has been saying is yes no
so its inaccurate
analog topaz
no they’re not @spice prawn , they’re reading a script
lone pond
IE
tulip sapphire
Ok then in that case, the 5700 xt is slightly better the the 2060 in raw performance, but the 2060 has better software features. So take your pick.
analog topaz
nope
topaz furnace
-_- sorry
analog topaz
nobody knows
random walrus
5700XT has a decent edge over 2060, normal 5700 is about equal
lone pond
Ok then in that case, the 5700 xt is slightly better the the 2060 in raw performance, but the 2060 has better software features. So take your pick.
@tulip sapphire 5700 xt is the 2070 super equivalent
spice prawn
@analog topaz and them reading a script is much more info than we have. It might not be the info you want to hear. but its the info that best buy has decided to give.
above is also a answer for you @lone pond
analog topaz
@spice prawn you don’t know how call centers work lol. Half the agents are saying they’re sold out and the other half are saying they’ll come out later
They don’t have any to begin with
spice prawn
yes, because they have been told to say that @analog topaz
lone pond
🤦♂️
analog topaz
Yes, say contrary things.
vagrant phoenix
oh lord
tulip sapphire
...
spice prawn
@shadow barn design choice by the gpu/strategy design team at amd
shadow barn
what
vagrant phoenix
Don't bother Naed lol
shadow barn
does it exist yes or no
tulip sapphire
Right, I am just going to get more coffee and try to forget the whole internet.
vagrant phoenix
NO
shadow barn
@vagrant phoenix i dont take your opinion
spice prawn
@shadow barn go to amd's site. find the gpu there.
analog topaz
i just bought the 6900 guys
remote cargo
Oof
tulip sapphire
is done
analog topaz
i also bought the 5800
vagrant phoenix
Good-ness
analog topaz
gg
remote cargo
is this some kinda rich people joke I’m too poor to understand
vagrant phoenix
No either @shadow barn is trolling us or he is 12
spice prawn
there is no point in being annoyed about questions like that.
austere current
i just want a 3070......
vagrant phoenix
@spice prawn When it has been answered 100 times it is annoying
spice prawn
@austere current just wait
shadow barn
i mean @vagrant phoenix you were acting unhelp ful and just rude
austere current
HOW LONG
shadow barn
so i might aswell trigger you
austere current
ITS ALWAYS JUST WAIT
spice prawn
@austere current until it is in stock. Because that is how stock works
vagrant phoenix
I'm not triggered, you were just spamming after we all answered you
analog topaz
ITS ALWAYS JUST WAIT
@austere current till you die
shadow barn
ok dude
spice prawn
@analog topaz not okay.
remote cargo
the thing is I don’t live anywhere near Mocrocenter and every bestbuy in the world doesn’t have stock for 3070
sad
austere current
by the time i will probably get the news that they are in stock they will be sold out again
idk how to keep track of stock
shadow barn
how much does a kidney sell for
remote cargo
depends
vagrant phoenix
Microcenter Houston doesn't have squat except 1660s so you aren't missing anyhing there
remote cargo
Who you sell it to
shadow barn
israel
prisma tulip
Hello, will I be okay running a 600w rosewill psu with a 3080 and a i5 10600k?
shadow barn
i heard they buy kidneys
random walrus
250k i think
austere current
i might just buy from a scalper at this rate 🤦♂️
potent rampart
Hello, will I be okay running a 600w rosewill pus with a 3080 and a i5 10600k?
@prisma tulip no
spice prawn
that is your call @austere current, we can only tell you to wait for stock.
potent rampart
grab 850w cause youre boutta bottleneck the 3080 big time
random walrus
650w bare minimum for 3080 but its sketchy
tulip sapphire
Go ask in #cases-psu-and-cooling if you want to go into details about PSUs.
It's less of a mess then GPU right now
gilded matrix
From best buy Twitter acct: "Currently, we don't have an ETA on when those cards might be available." in regards to rx6000 series
austere current
@spice prawn are there like websites or something people use to see when stuff will be in stock?
vagrant phoenix
Are the yellow guys Newegg employees?
fossil talon
Where should I go to get a custom white 12 pin to 8 pin?
prisma tulip
How hard is it to switch out a psu?
spice prawn
@austere current yes, and none of them are reliable
tulip sapphire
@prisma tulip not particularly.
austere current
thats what i was thinking when i saw them
potent rampart
If you're asking how hard it is to swithc out a psu, then you got a lot to learn lol
prisma tulip
@tulip sapphire wym
austere current
so how do i keep tabs? just check r/nvidia every morning?
potent rampart
It's not hard, but you definitely could screw something up
prisma tulip
how
spice prawn
@austere current consider this: the type of website you are asking about, it just another "link/site" between you and the person that is selling the card
prisma tulip
i just need to take mine out and put the cables back in the same spot right lol
potent rampart
shadow barn
same
burnt parcel
s
spice prawn
@austere current visit the actual sites of the sellers
potent rampart
you dont want to reuse cables
fossil talon
Lowkey running 850W with my setup
austere current
they sell out in seconds tho
prisma tulip
@potent rampart ik that the new cabels from the new psu
spice prawn
@austere current there have been plenty of times where the cards have stayed in stock for 30 minutes or more
vagrant phoenix
@austere current I bought a card on Newegg two nights ago
prisma tulip
@potent rampart correct?
fossil talon
Just keep trying on website, they stock now and then
potent rampart
yes
random walrus
@austere current dont buy from a scalper
spice prawn
@shadow barn if that is what you want.
austere current
thats cool but i dont feel like sitting on a webpage 24/7 refreshing and hoping they are in stock its annoying as hell
spice prawn
@austere current and that is the exact reason why scalpers exist.
@shadow barn is that on AMD's site?
vagrant phoenix
I just kept a window open and refreshed it once in a while when I was at my desk. Cards regularly popped up in stock and I nabbed one
austere current
if i wasnt in a hurry to get a graphics card this wouldnt be an issue but i am sadly
random walrus
buying from a scalper is stooping to their level of scum
vagrant phoenix
Why are you in a hurry? What are you running right now?
fossil talon
I just kept a window open and refreshed it once in a while when I was at my desk. Cards regularly popped up in stock and I nabbed one
@vagrant phoenix
Yep, that's what my friends did
ripe ivy
Finally I can play 3d games now
vagrant phoenix
Duke Nukem 3D here I come!
tulip sapphire
UT'98 or gtfo
spice prawn
"@shadow barn rtx go to amd's site. find the gpu there." <- try again
ripe ivy
Well Quake more like it
fossil talon
CPU bottleneck so reselling on classified (Canada)
shadow barn
they dont have a shop in my country
spice prawn
@fossil talon your ad?
fossil talon
Alot of people are still reselling at 100-400 dollars above MSRP
tulip sapphire
is that maple dollars?
fossil talon
spice prawn
its whatever the market wants to pay
vagrant phoenix
MSRP is not whatever the market wants
random walrus
MSRP is what the manufacturer suggests
vagrant phoenix
Yes...Sunbreaker said $1350 was $350 above MSRP...hence my Q
spice prawn
did either of you consider that i responded to sunbreaker?
random walrus
Looked like you were responding to Maytheus
shadow barn
but it only went up
vagrant phoenix
No because that doesn't make sense Naed lol
ripe ivy
Until everything is out, I don't think you're gonna see much in the way of discounts for the older cards
vagrant phoenix
Did Discord drop a bunch of responses on my end because I feel like something got black holed
ripe ivy
Also not to mention availability. edit: what the hell am I saying
spice prawn
@ripe ivy there is very little reason for a price drop until there is a card launched exactly at that price point
random walrus
2060 could be found for about 300$ and then people realized 3000 series wasnt gonna be available for a while lol
ripe ivy
That's exactly what I mean, yes
wheat wharf
spice prawn
that is retailer choice and model variance
ripe ivy
Like $400
vagrant phoenix
Super is like $600 on Newegg
spice prawn
the 2060 has a msrp of 300usd @wheat wharf
ripe ivy
They stopped manufacturing the 20 series didn't they?
spice prawn
@vagrant phoenix a fair part of that is market place sales
random walrus
2060 are like either sold out or over 400$ on amazon/Newegg
spice prawn
no, its still in production as far as we know @ripe ivy
but how much? how little?
no idea
vagrant phoenix
@spice prawn You're right...my filter had everything jumbled weird. There are 2060 Supers shipped from Newegg for $400
ripe ivy
Oh well that might be true for 2060 and 2060 Super, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case for everything above those skus
vagrant phoenix
EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER SC BLACK GAMING Video Card, 08G-P4-3062-KR, 8GB GDDR6, Dual Fans
$399.99
spice prawn
so, you mean 2070S / 2080S / 2080TI ?
spice prawn
yes,
because it EOL'ed the 2070 at launch
same for the 2080 being EOL'ed by the 2070 Super
azure lynx
Did the 6800 series go out of stock?
vagrant phoenix
Did the 6800 series ever go in stock? 😉
Or were they nothing more than Hawking Radiation and vaporized as fast as they materialized?
ripe ivy
Can't be out of stock if they were never there to begin with
Describes Best Buy and B&H pretty well
spice prawn
for the AIB cards, it looks like the 25th of november is the date (at least for EU)
fathom bear
This is what happens when you only launch a new product every 2 years
ripe ivy
It's been annual for AMD actually
spice prawn
not really
it all depends on the market demand and the ability of a given product to compete
austere current
Why are you in a hurry? What are you running right now?
@vagrant phoenix 1050 and i want a new graphics card for cyberpunk
spice prawn
you have plenty of time
vagrant phoenix
You building a whole new PC?
austere current
i have all the parts besides a graphics card
vagrant phoenix
That's where I was at until Monday night.
It's your money but just realize if you buy from a scalper then you perpetuate the problem
analog topaz
what’s the diff between an AIB and the ones that released today
fossil talon
We honestly don't know yet
ripe ivy
AIB cards are custom designs from the board partners
spice prawn
AIB (partner designed) cards can be a multitude of different things. Its up to them to decide what they want to do :)
umbral patio
a PC or a ps5?
ripe ivy
They design their own PCB or use the reference PCB
vagrant phoenix
@analog topaz No one knows but the AMD cards are for sure reference boards.
ripe ivy
And then design their own cooler to use with it
umbral patio
ps5 right
vagrant phoenix
@umbral patio #500103216466362379 is <--- That way
austere current
It's your money but just realize if you buy from a scalper then you perpetuate the problem
@vagrant phoenix how do u know when to check if the card is in stock?
and what websites you check
ripe ivy
There are ways to be notified when stock becomes available
static fossil
anyone know when best buy will sell the cards cause it still says coming soon
spice prawn
@static fossil we dont
vagrant phoenix
You don't know when...you just check. I kept filtered product pages open for Best Buy, Newegg and Microcenter (which you probably don't have). When you sit down at your PC for a while, just click over and refresh sometimes and eventually one will pop up.
static fossil
sad times
ripe ivy
I'm sure they're not 100% reliable, but I've heard of it working out. You can always just wait anyway. Cyberpunk is starting to look like it could have Forever syndrome
austere current
so i gotta play the waiting game with nvidia 
spice prawn
yes
austere current
if it got delayed again honestly i would be happy
spice prawn
just like everyone else that wants a card does
vagrant phoenix
That's the state of affairs. Unfortunately you do have to put some effort into it if you want it ASAP
Or spend a crapton of money
vagrant phoenix
EVGA 3090 FTW Ultra
austere current
i want a founders edition cause idk what the others are like
vagrant phoenix
They're all going to do what you want them to do.
austere current
then whats the difference @vagrant phoenix
solid roost
Funny how scalpers destroyed every launch to date.
vagrant phoenix
Unless you are comptetively overclocking, then don't worry about which one
remote cargo
just no msi if its possible
austere current
ohhh yeah i dont do overclockingthis will be my first pc build lol
remote cargo
jk
ripe ivy
The difference is just thermals for the most part
vagrant phoenix
Yep
remote cargo
founders will mostly have better thermals
with their revolutionary fan placement design
vagrant phoenix
But if you are literally just gaming and doing no OC, even the thermal differences are irrelevant.
austere current
yeah ill be doing gaming and possibly work in the far future
and my monitor is 1080p
vagrant phoenix
You'll be fine. Just pick one.
austere current
looking to get a new one soon tho
vagrant phoenix
I personally would not buy Zotac because I don't know anything about that company.
remote cargo
im just hoping that there will be 3070 in stock soon, or a 3070 ti will launch
austere current
shopping for monitors is worse than graphics cards there is so much misinformation about them and always horrible reviews for them
I personally would not buy Zotac because I don't know anything about that company.
@vagrant phoenix yeah i heard to avoid zotac
vagrant phoenix
Go to rtings.com and look up monitors. THose guys are straight up in their reviews and very in depth
And EVGA
remote cargo
yeah
vagrant phoenix
EVGA has the best customer service which is part of the premium in their pricing IMO
I have owned nothing but EVGA since the TNT2 in 1999
austere current
jesus
i would even be ok getting a 2070 super but i cant find any that are below 500
so ig ill just keep tabs on bestbuy
what time of day should you check or is it random>
none of my friends are pc enthusiasts so im basically on my own when finding info lol
vagrant phoenix
I always checked in the evening (US central time) but that's because that is when I am at my PC...except today because I took off work early 😉
@vernal roost Yeppers
austere current
ig throughout the day ill just start checking and hope i get lucky
how long does shipping take
vagrant phoenix
Just get your tabs set up and hit F5 once in a while.
Nice chatting with you all...gotta run for a bit. Be back later. /wave
spice prawn
enjoy
vagrant phoenix
Hey @spice prawn are you yellow guys Newegg employees?
spice prawn
nope
vagrant phoenix
Ahh ok...how did you get a techie tag?
vagrant phoenix
Ahh gotcha.
austere current
need a new egg employee to hold a 3070 for me 😏
stray furnace
can i have a free 3090
austere current
thank u for being helpful as hell @vagrant phoenix @spice prawn @ripe ivy @remote cargo 👍 ❤️
ripe ivy
I just type a lot
spice prawn
for someone that is trying to learn, it depends on what they take away from what a person types @remote cargo
and i believe that it why you got @
remote cargo
k
austere current
damn you got hit with the "k"
remote cargo
im learning a lot from the server too
my list used to be like $1600 without tax
now i was able to bring it down to $1394 without sacrificing any perfoemance
one sec i need to find it
vagrant phoenix
Case: LL O11DXL
CPU: 10900k
Mobo: ASUS Maximus Hero XII
GPU: EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra
Storage: 2 x Sabrent NVME PCI 4 (500gb and 2TB)
RAM: TridentZ CL16 4x8GB (Samsung bdie)
Fans: Lian Li Uni Fans x 9
PSU: EVGA 1000w T2
Loop: EKWB Refelction Distro Plate; Monoblock; 2 x 360 PE and XE rads
😄
vagrant phoenix
good looking system!
spice prawn
@remote cargo i would go with a AMP for the psu instead
remote cargo
whats an amp
spice prawn
because iirc, the RM is a 5year warranty
and the AMP is a 10 year warranty
AMP = phantek amp = psu model
remote cargo
oh
spice prawn
but it comes and goes stock wise
jolly sandal
@remote cargo Does the case come with fans? Don't forget OS
remote cargo
it comes with 2 fans already
my dad's friends is gonna lend me his windows 10 os
im thinking of using stock cooler
spice prawn
jolly sandal
Ryzen 5000 does not come with coolers
remote cargo
5600x has one
jolly sandal
Ah, my bad, only the 5600x has one
spice prawn
you could also NOT be crazy :)
jolly sandal
Never cheap out on PSU lmao
spice prawn
@vernal roost and all that tells you is this: Your sample of 1, lasted for X years.
remote cargo
funny thing is that the mobo i went with, i wanted it rly bad but it wasn't worth cuz it was 202 usd
now its on sale
as long as it wont blow up, im good
remote cargo
750w is enough right?
spice prawn
@remote cargo for your list? its plenty
remote cargo
estimate watt is 379
jolly sandal
750 is good enough for basically everything
spice prawn
@vernal roost you dont seem to value things like warranty
jolly sandal
I went 750 for headroom when I upgrade and if I wanna oc
remote cargo
i heard that you want to go about x2 of the estimate
spice prawn
not what i am saying @vernal roost
and there is a 10 year warranty on the AMP
no, it really isnt
remote cargo
well, the psu naed recommended cost 10 bucks less so i might just go with it
compared to the corsair rm750
spice prawn
@vernal roost what you value, and what others value. Can be different things.
jolly sandal
PSUs can last a long time if you treat em right. Getting a long warranty is good.
remote cargo
i just need something that can get me through the next five or so years
spice prawn
Its perfectly okay IF you want to put models like the VP650 in your machines. I would never recommend that.
remote cargo
then i plan on giving it to my sister
spice prawn
you are sacrificing usefulness/features for the sake of saving money.
that is imo, not a good trade
fervent obsidian
i'm seeing that specific antec psu around the c/d tier on the list
remote cargo
wait, i'll be back
spice prawn
@vernal roost no no, not him. you. :)
fervent obsidian
would you like a reliable psu or an unreliable psu? simple as that
spice prawn
you are making a suggestion that trades quality and warranty vs cost
fervent obsidian
depends on model
fervent obsidian
and the vp plus model you had linked is a d tier
spice prawn
he is not buying "antec" the brand
no
not remotely right
what matters is IF it fails, how it fails.
no
just .. no.
fervent obsidian
i posted that to reference the model you posted earlier was a bad pick
spice prawn
and if you think the VP650 Plus is NOT from the VP Plus Series.
from your own link
did i ever say otherwise?
remote cargo
y’all still arguing?
spice prawn
and we counter debated the "why"
because your suggestion was a sacrifice on part quality
vagrant phoenix
Or have a long stretch of experience across many many systems
Which could literally go bang and cost you many more bucks than you are spending on a better PSU
spice prawn
now, please go back and read what he wrote originally about that list?
remote cargo
Lol
rose adder
at the end of the day people can spend their money however they see fit
remote cargo
Is there a psu better than Corsair rm750 for less price
remote cargo
115$ seems like an okay price
vagrant phoenix
@vernal roost Have you ever had a PSU blow?
spice prawn
bad components = bad components
rose adder
ok I wouldn't go that far, there are many documented cases of bad power supplies causing instability
vagrant phoenix
Yes, many people
rose adder
not to mention a big value add for premium power supplies is they have a much longer warrenty
restive grove
Okay who is ready for the RT 6800XT buyout?
rose adder
so the cost per year is often actually lower
viral elbow
spice prawn
@viral elbow only if a CAP blows
spice prawn
no
vagrant phoenix
I had one short out and melt at several connection points from overvoltages. Filled my study with black smoke and killed the whole box.
rose adder
the mods really dont seem to care about staying on topic
spice prawn
nothing else was happening here
restive grove
Psu and gpu are related
spice prawn
no mods are involved in this talk @rose adder :)
rose adder
nvidia better release high vram gpu
rose adder
the biggest difference is the g6x instead of g6
imo that makes a bigger difference than the 8 vs 10gb
at least with current games
rose adder
g6x has nearly double the bandwidth
remote cargo
dang
spice prawn
double the bandwidth does not by itself "mean" anything
its "just" a number by itself
remote cargo
I just don’t want amd gpu cuz I play a lot of Minecraft
night vault
Hey uh what the heck is this
rose adder
same
remote cargo
RTX Minecraft
night vault
I went to boot up my pc and my screen was grey toned and like tore up
brisk flame
is it a consistent issue, or was this the first time its happened
night vault
I’ve had random issues like this often
I just restart the pc
And it’s all good
Idk why
I did recently update my drivers if that’s anything
brisk flame
does the system still function?
vagrant phoenix
Bad cable?
night vault
Just restarted it
And it’s all good
Sometimes my pc randomly green screens
And other times it completely freezes
remote cargo
Dying pixels maybe?
brisk flame
yeah, thats sounds like a wacky video card
vagrant phoenix
Cheap PSU? 😮
brisk flame
is it still under warranty?
night vault
I got it like at the end of summer
So maybe 4-5 months ago
So I’d assume so
Kept all the packaging due to the issues I saw with 5700xt drivers
Just not the receipt
brisk flame
did you order it online?
remote cargo
off topic but is 3060 ti confirmed?