!rank
#graphics-cards
brisk flame
dreamy dragonBOT
SassyFish256, this command is disabled in this channel
topaz anchor
only problem is no dark mode
brisk flame
Funny
topaz anchor
it sucks but well i mean you cant get everything for free lol
royal copper
You can activate windows with $5 eBay key or for free
hexed forge
itech no illegals
royal copper
From eBay if you find right seller
topaz anchor
join one of the voice channels i tech
royal copper
Can’t rn
hexed forge
technically if you pirate 7 and upgrade it to 10, it becomes a legit copy.
royal copper
Not home
hexed forge
however, its not legal lol
topaz anchor
lol
hexed forge
but the 5-7$ keys on ebay and such, they are usually legit and work
royal copper
But who will find out
hexed forge
youll know in your heart
im just saying i won't reccomend it cause its not legal lol
royal copper
They will never know 🤫
hexed forge
but theyve had every chance to stop that proccess and they havent so 🤷♂️
altho now that LTT has spread the word, it mightve been fixed so idk
hexed forge
im telling microsoft on you itech >:U
royal copper
Ecks made me a bully
hexed forge
topaz anchor
and i love cars=(
royal copper
hexed forge
oh no microsoft found you
topaz anchor
oof damn
royal copper
hexed forge
xD
royal copper
YOULL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE
royal copper
Oh no phones about to die, guess they can’t track me now
topaz anchor
ha lol
royal copper
Gtg see yaaaa
azure coyote
off topic but i saw some used 1080tis going for under $500 near me. Is this worth it?
also, if i find 2 super cheap 1080tis that are matching is it worth it to sli them?
cyan vault
@azure coyote depends on which 1080 ti, and dont trust super cheap ones
azure coyote
i was mostly looking at FEs, and I meant "cheap" as in under $400. (Im not saying to automatically trust sellers, but the ones I saw were legit)
azure coyote
for the system or GPU?
cyan vault
whole system lets say
azure coyote
lets say $1500
hexed forge
just a note on an earlier comment, SLI is not worth it. very few games support it.
cyan vault
true
azure coyote
thanks, that is what i was wondering
with the system...
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.63 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.89 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($92.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($134.29 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks P300 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Custom: some modular 500 watt silverstone that i have (Purchased)
Custom: Windows 10 ($20.00)
(i said $1500 as a buffer, i was wonndering if i should get a 2070s or used 1080ti)
hexed forge
another note, if in the US, buying a 1080 ti used seems to go around upper 300 to lower 400$ range from what I can see. some are around 500 but thats like the max. but be careful when buying used high end GPUs
so if you haven't boughten it yet, people have said to avoid the Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive, but im not sure why.
hexed forge
question, do you have a microcenter near you
hexed forge
If you are just looking between 1080 ti or 2070s, you wont lose much performance at all by going 2070s, and you get the added benefit of ray tracing if that is something you fancy.
also what gilbert said lol
cyan vault
with 1500 you can get a 2080s easily
azure coyote
its about 25-30 mins away
not sure if the online store is correct but the prices were more expensive than online
hexed forge
but i dont think a 500w psu will be able to handle a 2080s
cyan vault
and I would buy a new psu
azure coyote
using ther store price checker
cyan vault
just send a pcpp
hexed forge
wait microcenter is 25-30 min away?
hexed forge
yeah go to microcenter to buy your parts. they have the best prices, and when they dont, they will price match. Plus they have deals like if you buy a cpu and mobo at the same time, you get an extra 30$ off the CPU.
azure coyote
cyan vault
so max budget is 1.5? or 1
azure coyote
1
cyan vault
Ok
azure coyote
(im gonna afk for about 10 mins, so dm me if yall need anything)
cyan vault
Yep
hexed forge
yeah just throwing a 2080 super into that would be pushing the limits of the gpu. thats my worry lol
azure coyote
k thx
azure coyote
what are good CAS latencies?
i know nothing about ram
lower, the better?
cyan vault
Yes
granite juniper
the ko performs as a normal 2060 in 98% of workloads
wicked hound
In some workstation workloads a 2060 KO would be better. Other then that it is just a poorly cooled 2060 that'd be hotter and louder then the average 2060
dusk cedar
gtx 970 vs gtx 1060 3gb vs gtx 1050ti?
which is better for gaming? I currently own the gtx1060, looking for an slight upgrade
royal copper
None are worth it if you have a 1060
granite juniper
yuh those are all downgrades
rocky sorrel
gtx 1660s paired with a Ryzen 5 1600 AF?
ember imp
It’ll be fine
rocky sorrel
aight den
elder marsh
What's the next step up from a 2060s
ember imp
2070s
granite juniper
the 2060s is like 400 and new :/
elder marsh
I'm talking CAD
elder marsh
ontario
flat nymph
nice
5700
flash it
2070ish in performance while costing as much as a 2060 non-super
unless you're hellbent on Nvidia
elder marsh
MSI Armor OC
flat nymph
that is utter trash
horrible temps. loud fans and a low power limit
generally not a card i would recommend
elder marsh
so 5700 more worth it even if it's $10 more?
flat nymph
I mean
if you are willing to flash
and arent wanting to stream all that much
@elder marsh this isnt the EXACT same cooler, they imrpoved it for the 20 series but
that should give you an example
Not only is it faster
it can be flashed to be even faster
elder marsh
ok you convinced me
PowerColor Red Dragon Radeon Rx 5700 Xt
Could this be flashed @flat nymph
flat nymph
no
elder marsh
PowerColor Radeon Rx 5700 8GB GDDR6 Graphics Card
flat nymph
5700 gets flashed INTO a 5700xt
elder marsh
Whoops wrong card
flat nymph
5700 can
flat nymph
No, not really
it will affect noise
but not performance all that much
unless the cooling REALLY sucks
with the 5700 just get the cheapest thing that isnt a blower model and isnt from MSI
flat nymph
no
I dont
thats a reference blowe model
with the 5700 just get the cheapest thing that isnt a blower model and isnt from MSI
@flat nymph
@elder marsh no, I dont approve of a blower
cunning falcon
lmfao
ember imp
That one and the Sapphire pulse are some of the best cheaper models
flat nymph
Gaming OC is great
elder marsh
why is there a cheaper one?
cunning falcon
maybe he should get one with dual bios
flat nymph
nah
flat nymph
no
elder marsh
when I can just flash it?
elder marsh
oh true
ember imp
It’s a 5700 xt you don’t need to flash it
cunning falcon
megumin from shokugeki no souma?
flat nymph
^
cunning falcon
oh
konasuba good?
my brothers recommended it
but it doesn’t look like my style
kinda reminds me of a mix between goblin slayer and cautious hero
ember imp
It’s hella good and no it’s not like goblin slayer in the slightest
Idk why were still in #graphics-cards tho
ember imp
Fite me
cunning falcon
i meant goblin slayer as in the whole role thing
dreamy dragonBOT
Blue.#1988 has been warned
gray vapor
@cunning falcon watch your potty hands
cunning falcon
is this a family friendly server
gray vapor
@cunning falcon it is a PG 13 server
cunning falcon
bruh
royal copper
TV 14
dense flicker
wut
1070 is a lot better than 570 though
and i have no clue how the vega 56 performs
my knowledge is veeeeery limited lol
but im going to bet that the 1080 is better
exotic briar
ok thanks
wicked hound
1070 and V56 is what's close to a competitor afaik. 570 is far lower. 1080/1070Ti is like V64 area
flat nymph
stock v56 sure
but uhhhh
v56 can perform on opar with a 2060s under ideal conditions
undervolted, flashed
570 vs 1070 is a like 30% difference
v56 crushes the 1070
even stock
1080 vs v56 is pretty close
and preperly configged the 1080 marginally loses to the v56
as for v64, it can perform between a 1080ti and a 1080
that is to say: a 2070
gilded field
is there any water cooling options for the gtx 980 ti classified? I see a few cheap AIOs on ebay..
flat nymph
people sleep on vega
what would AIOs do?
you're gonna use an AIO pump for your waterloop?
gilded field
i've never done water and an aio seemed the simplest route?>
flat nymph
yeah but it'll be 1) ughly af 2) will not cool VRMs and 3) loud 4) not even close to as good as a waterloop
AIOs + GPUs dont really mix that well
it works
its just....not the best
gilded field
i'm pickin up what you're putting down, so my only option other than whats currently on the gpu is to fo full liuid cooling?
flat nymph
The only options are the EK 780 Classy or going with an NZXT G10 bracket and AIO cooler.
or maybe a 980ti calssy
this would need a full waterloop
the other option being this
with an AIO
gilded field
i guess i would emphasize the vmrs cause those are what went poof on my last gpu
gilded field
thats nice, but affordable?
wicked hound
GPU kit for $138
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32899782878.html?spm
Formulamod is a pretty decent seller afaik
flat nymph
that looks to be for Pascal
formulamod is pretty epic, that is correct
not the best stuff
their tubing in particular
is my biggest gripe
wicked hound
asks to contact seller tho for GPU, thus should be anything
flat nymph
but overall good
No 980 option
and to my knowledge it isnt compatible with the pascal series cards
though I could be wrong
wicked hound
quick search and found an Asus Maxwell block on Formula mod
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32815065476.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.2.6777651chrPRNM
So they support 9th gen, just a matter of the specific PCB
elder marsh
Does the Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC 3X have a good cooler on RTX cards?
light parcel
My buddy just bought a 2070 Super. And is refusing to raise framerates from Low on Apex Legends on her 60Hz monitor 
scarlet cove
Hello
I have a question about my gpu I start my computer and the fans don’t spin and sometimes they do when I turn it on. Every time I make sure it’s on and if it’s not I go to MSI afterburner and the fans spin how do I fix this
abstract monolith
any ideas for my friend? he had a gtx 750 ti and now has a 1050 ti, yet he says he lost more frames than he has gained, dont know what to do to help him, he has all of the drivers updated and everything.
gray vapor
What CPU is your friend using?
If your friend is using a very very old CPU there could be a bottleneck issue which can cause less performance and also could you tell me which 1050 Ti he bought
spice prawn
@scarlet cove that sounds like "no fan" mode for idle temps. Meaning, when the gpu is not doing anything (specifically until the temperature gets above a certain level) the fans wont spin.
granite juniper
^
you can set a custom fan curve tweak it how you want, mine is 0 fan mode until like 40-50c or something
abstract monolith
@gray vapor he has a r5 3600, he bought the 1050 ti cause he has a budget and he got the 3600 on a great deal, the 1050ti is an asus phoenix im fairly certain
gray vapor
Did he buy it used cause if so there could be some thermal issues as well which it might be best to open the card and replace the paste
also Asus from what i know uses some pretty cheap thermal paste on their cards which doesn't last forever
abstract monolith
I gave him the 1050 ti and there wasnt any thermal issues when i checked
and its only about a year old
gray vapor
A year old should still replace the paste as a just in case thing and one other thing i am curious about as well is his motherobard
dusk cedar
is a gtx 970 for $90 a good deal?
I have a gtx 1060 already
My GPU runs hot running modded ark so I was thinking the dual fans and +1gb increase may be good?
wicked hound
It's 4gb total VRAM, but only 3.5gb actually usable. Not a worthy upgrade for just temps and an extra 0.5gb of usable VRAM
dusk cedar
How about $120 for a 1060 6gb
wicked hound
anything that isnt at the 1070 perf or higher is a waste of money as an "upgrade"
Unless you're running a blower style cooler I wouldnt worry about it
gray vapor
How hot is said GPU running at and in C not in F
dusk cedar
Mid 80s under high load
gray vapor
Change the thermal paste i would suggest which the temps should then lower
wicked hound
I mean, is the fan spinning relatively fast?
modest reef
PSA: Make sure to check your GPU temps 
I was running mine at 83 *C (probably throttling) for the longest time, replaced thermal paste and now I'm down to 68 *C 
I just saw your message @dusk cedar
What case do you have and what's your fan setup like?
dusk cedar
push pull config and its an ibuypower prebuild
modest reef
Are you adventurous enough to change out the thermal paste? How long have you had the card?
dusk cedar
Already did haha
modest reef
Did that not help?
How much did you apply?
I applied about half of a pellet size, since the die is like a quarter of the size of a CPU
modest reef
It's probably something simple to overlook, have you checked to see if your fans are working?
dusk cedar
I just think maybe insufficient heat flow?
cyan vault
@fallen schooner which gpu
fallen schooner
you serioous?
fallen schooner
Do I have to show you where to look?
cyan vault
And tired
fallen schooner
fallen schooner
cyan vault
Epic
fallen schooner
royal copper
what does super mean
hexed forge
🦸
stiff zodiac
xD
exotic briar
vega 56 or gtx 1070
stiff zodiac
AMD Radeon VII
modest reef
Or even a 5700xt
wicked hound
5700 with BIOS flash
stiff zodiac
yeah
royal copper
Or a 2080ti
pine badge
anyone know when that NVIDIA cyberpunk GPU giveaway is going to end?
unreal elm
I was going to put on an Accelero VGA cooler but I dont know where to place the temp pads on my card. In videos people just replace the preexisting temp pads but I do not have any. Can anyone tell me where to find where i should put the temp pads on a 2080 ti?
Ok i meant thermal pads idk why i said temp pads
wicked hound
Sometimes is different depending on cooler but generally; memory, VRMs, and MOSFETs (not as common).
pallid kite
What kind of problems are associated or come with a rx 5600/5700/xt? I see most people lean towards (including me) choose nvidia GPU's. What's wrong with the AMD GPU's?
coarse bison
lots of users experience buggy driver support
quite a few of the partner card models of say the 5700 xt or 5700 have had really overheating issues for various reasons
cards can get quite hot depending on model or make you have
from what i hear
and the biggest point of them all
and i hate to quote nvidia's ceo
in regards to nvidia cards
"it just works"
dusty obsidian
I had a reddit post with a couple hundred people and it seems like it's a 50% chance it's fine or bad. The only one people were saying was haven't having much issues was the sapphire versions
cyan vault
What kind of problems are associated or come with a rx 5600/5700/xt? I see most people lean towards (including me) choose nvidia GPU's. What's wrong with the AMD GPU's?
@pallid kite Personally, none. Mine runs very cool, 69C torture test 30 minutes. I have not actually been able to play much do to..... some stuff but have experienced black screen 1 time. This was on the newest drivers, if you use 19.12.1 it has no issues
jolly basin
Found a strix rtx 2070 brand new for $310
Seller still hasn’t responded to me yet though
😭
cyan vault
Thats sus
safe locust
which 2070 super is best to get?
sage parrot
if i wanted to get something to make my graphics card orientated like this, what would i need to buy?
dense flicker
one sec
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@sage parrot
sage parrot
thank you
dense flicker
no problem
merry yew
Hello guys, is nvidia better than amd on graphics cards
cyan vault
Depends
royal copper
On the higher end I would say yes
dusk cedar
So if I have both a 1060 and a 960 limited ed, which one should I be using in my main build?
spare relic
prolly the 1060
but I mean
what are the details of each card?
might as well try both out to see which one works better for you
dusk cedar
They are both nividias, 1060 is 3(single fan) and the 960 I believe is 2gb (double fan)
brisk flame
The 1060 is better than the 960
distant wyvern
has anyone ever tried running geforce now on a dx9 gpu?
pine badge
Anyone seen that bourbon barrel build
That thing was amazing
And he built a custom reservoir out of a whisky bottle
cyan vault
@pine badge yeah its dope
rigid crag
Rumor has it he put real wisky in it too
cyan vault
nice.. didnt jayztwo centz do a vid with beer
royal copper
I think the post Malone build had a beer theme
cyan vault
ye
torpid garden
cyan vault
TU102
fallen schooner
no kiddin..
cyan vault
2080ti chill
torpid garden
2080 ti ftw3, putting the waterblock on it, finally found the hardwrae in a tiny bag
Lol, it's all rolled up inside the side of the box
fallen schooner
I wanna get my 2070 back in my loop 😦
but it's pretty nice temp wise using the stock cooling.
torpid garden
I've seen some crazy good sales on hydrocopper blocks
fallen schooner
yeah can't do copper tho
torpid garden
ya, for practical use - stock coolers work just fine
fallen schooner
my loop me aluminum
torpid garden
All the hydrocopper blocks aside from KP are nickel plated
ah
You have all alluminum blocks/fittings/pump?
cyan vault
My build isnt good enough to deserve a loop 😦
fallen schooner
I could do nickel plated
my 1080 block was nickel.
no corrosion.
but 60c during game with OC at 75% fan speed, I'm ok with.
torpid garden
Your rad is Al?
torpid garden
I put my chinese $30 240mm rad in a pump only loop with RO water, TDS only went from 45 to 60 ish after a few days, surprising
Thought more gunk would come out
torpid garden
Actually, is techin around today? or tomorrow, I could throw on the ln2 pot first lol
fallen schooner
tomorrow
stiff zodiac
new profile again xD
is that the guy from chowder
ow its not xD but the eyes is on point
severe surge
Buying my gpu for my new system. Stumped on what card to get. Kinda narrowed it down to a EVGA 2070 Super XC Gaming and a GIGABYTE 2070 Super Gaming OC 3X Windforce. Which would you all go with?
cursive yoke
Either one is a solid card
I have ran both EVGA and Gigabyte's stuff and they both perform great. Personally since my mobo is Gigabyte, I'd go that direction
granite juniper
id go evga cause of their qc
severe surge
@fallen schooner the Evga or gigabyte?
fallen schooner
EVGA
obtuse elbow
My EVGA FTW3 ultra 2080Ti
rotund flax
Anyone know which radeon rx 5700 is the best all around of the varieties available?
bronze dagger
whats a 'good' OC speed for the 5700xt ive got mine up to 2160 stable and 2200 semi stable but 2200 and up are really temperature limited with stability
short flare
Hey guys, I need a low cost GPU to run two 1080p monitors @ 144hz. If "low" cost is possible..
anyone have a suggestion?
stiff zodiac
Anyone know which radeon rx 5700 is the best all around of the varieties available?
@rotund flax gigabyte gaming oc version?
short flare
Well below 300
But I don't need it for gaming just for desktop use.
I just want both monitors to actually run @ 144hz. I've heard that sometimes it will only run 1 at full refresh and the other at a lower one like 120 or 100.
short flare
@ember imp
bronze dagger
i mean desktop use im sure any of the polaris cards IE RX 580 RX 590 even RX 560 or 570 would be able to drive both
@short flare
red walrus
I'm planning on upgrading to an RX 480 from an RX 5700 or RX 5700 XT. Which one should i buy and why. I'm on a Budget and Planning on Getting an RX 5700 due to freesync and I play lots of VR games with it.
bronze dagger
i have a 5700xt and i play vr very well
i upgraded from my rx580
the 5700xt is very worth it
red walrus
XT is petty expansive. I would of went with a 5700 for about 330 dollars.
The rx 480 is the same as the 580 but power saves.
red walrus
I don't do overclock.
red walrus
Wait 350 send me a link to da.
red walrus
That a good deal 370 dollars.
pliant sleet
Hello I’m new, is there a way I can vent? Cause I feel so stupid right now
red walrus
What what worst is I only got 230 dollars for the whole month.
Got to wait wait next month.
then I could afford it.
But also I'm getting my drivers license this month.
pliant sleet
Okay, so I traded my 750 ti for a r9 270 toxic and we both agreed that it works completely fine. The guy comes home and tells me it’s not working the next day. I’m like okay I’ll trade it back. I was really careful on the stickers/looks because I had screen shots and the card were exactly identical. But eventually I knew that the moment I traded back I had a gut feeling that he swapped it out and gave me the broken one
The the worst part is that I found it on the local market. Same seller.
red walrus
I still have my EVGA 750 TI off my AM3 PC. But I'm using it for Ubuntu Linux.
red walrus
I had Steam OS on a non UEFI BIOS.
red walrus
You just need the ISO file and put it on a Flash drive.
and it was a pain to install Steam os on a Super Old motherboard. It work. But didn't like it.
red walrus
My ASUS motherboard made this every time i restart my computer. Due to the RAM being the Wrong Clock or something.
the RMA was a nightmare. I might just go with MSI maybe. Instead of ASUS.
This was not my GPU. It was my motherboard doing this.
What the issue was it was a power null.
ASUS did not fix the issue and sent in a shittier motherboard that reset your bios Setting every time you unplug it with a fresh new CMOS battery. But it doesn't do this now at least. The issue with my was RAM Clock speed.
dim mango
Just buy an xfx 5700 non xt for $320 and change the bios to the xt bios.https://www.techspot.com/review/1917-amd-radeon-5700-bios-flash-5700-xt/
rotund flax
good thing i bought a 5700 non xt lol
royal copper
I like to mess with things
granite juniper
you dont have to mess with the bios, you can just put powerplay table mod on and increase the mhz to xt levels
royal copper
cyan vault
@dense flicker shush
dense flicker
no
bronze dagger
I was debating 2070 s but my friend bought one and we direct compared and I was able to squeeze more FPS out of the XT than the S
And the XT is cheaper
royal copper
nvidia is better for their drivers, nvenc encoder, and rtx. If you don't need any of those things then 5700xt is fine
ember imp
The latest 5700xt driver is actually fairly stable in my experience
Temps tho
It’s a toasty boy for sure
bronze dagger
Yeah I haven’t had a driver issue since the R7 370... idk why people keep crying over drivers
Nothing was wrong with my Vega, my Polaris, or my Navi
And im getting great over clocks on them without heat issues
flat nymph
@royal copper RTX is useless in current state
like
utterly useless
even dual titan RTX doesnt make sense
RTX has the potential to be insane
royal copper
it's ok
royal copper
If im playing like battlefield casually id prefer rtx
flat nymph
you will understand that current RT technology is utterly useless
and often has to sacrifice some visual difelity to attain the results it get
royal copper
It isn't useless it just isn't developed
flat nymph
"in current state"
useless in the current state
and with the current hardware
it will remain that way
royal copper
in the state it is near useless yes
flat nymph
its like when people called the gtx960 a VR ready card
sure its VR ready
if by VR you mean VomitReaction
royal copper
lol
flat nymph
RTX on turing is basically the same thing
royal copper
Some areas of graphics I found to be very messy without rtx, but the fps hurts
flat nymph
have you seen the countless cases of sprites and polygons being sacraficed in the pursuit of RTX?
royal copper
yeah but visually its ok
flat nymph
sure
but not special
nothing that couldnt be possible with enough shaders
if Nvidia put the money towards actually meaningful generational progress
well...
royal copper
ya never know, shaders were once thought to be useless
flat nymph
you know how you hear all this stupid stuff about Big Navi (which is dumb btw)?
flat nymph
yeah, the only reason people think it might happen is because Radeon has its priorities straight
there will come a day where better graphics will be useless as anything better quality would be photrealistic
and photorealism is bad
humans dont like photorealism
royal copper
why is that
royal copper
There are many different styles of graphics some may be more favorable than others, I would think photorealism would be cool
royal copper
with something like people yee it's a little creepy
flat nymph
photorealistic video games are not liked by most people
anyways
we will reach a point
where resolution, framreates and cisual fidelity will no longer be importanrt
but we arent even CLOSE to that
we are in that akward zone rn
where we cant have 4k
and 144hz
for average guy
royal copper
lol ye its gonna be awhile
flat nymph
once we can have high quality games, ex. rdr2 in 4k 240hz
then we can focus on stuff like this
its actually closer than you think
keep in mind
computer progress isnt linear
royal copper
it's been a bit slow recently tho
flat nymph
why do you think that is....
royal copper
well computers haven't been advancing as fast as they were
flat nymph
because the people who were known for those generational gaps have been doing what?
lighting that hurts performance by up to 60%?
Moores law is still verey much alive
not in consumer electronics
but IBM is keeping it alive
however
its probably gonna start slowing in the near future
down to roughly half or a third of current speeds
royal copper
the transistors can only get so small
flat nymph
so start stacking
also, we can get down to roughly 3nm before quantum tunneling becomes a real issue
keep in mind
3nm
royal copper
not too far away
fallen schooner
violet dock
1.4 jeez
stiff zodiac
xD i hope you are still alive on 2029
royal copper
Nah they’ll hit 1nm in 2100
violet dock
Honestly I think they will get stuck at 3
it will require some crazy machinery to manufacture 3nm and below
stiff zodiac
well technology is evolving ... we will laugh on 1nm someday
violet dock
eventually they will have to move to a different type of material than silicon though. I think that will happen around 3 or 2
royal copper
HAHA your cpu is 1nm?!? That is SOOOOOO last decade
spice prawn
@rigid crag the 1080ti
but, unless the price is very low on the 1080ti, it doesnt make much sense to not go for the 2070 SUPER instead
because you have to keep in mind that the 1080ti has a msrp of 700
and the 2070 Super has a msrp of 500
rigid crag
I would only get the 1080ti (used) for 300. I've seen a couple go for that on Ebay
rigid crag
Yes
spice prawn
you have close to no actual idea about the state of the silicon
spice prawn
and much as i absolutely adore the 1080ti founders edition cooler
spare relic
gamble
spice prawn
(which is based entirely on my preference for itx systems)
coolers have evolved quite a bit since then
rigid crag
A new cooler would be a godsend for my current 1060. It's about as cheap of a blower cooler as you can get but I've never dipped my feet in the water of gpu mods and I dont really want to start now
spice prawn
there are after market options that are solid enough @rigid crag
rigid crag
But I dont plan on keeping it till the end of the year so I'm not going to bother
How much better is the 1080ti vs the 2070 super
spice prawn
it isnt
spare relic
xd
spice prawn
which is why i went out of my way to mention it
remember, the 2070 got "replaced" by the 2070super
spice prawn
EOL = end of lined = not being produced anymore
and the 2070 super is well on its way towards the 2080 performance
rigid crag
That's helpful
spice prawn
hm, i am wrong
the 1080ti does compete with the 2080, at times
so the main drawback is the following factors (for your specific situation)
warranty
and noise
and actual state of the card you would be buying
rigid crag
Ok but 2080 is out of my price anyway. I'd rather get a new 2070s considering the price to performance
spice prawn
(not what you see in pictures, but the actual "health" of the card)
rigid crag
I think I've eliminated the 1080ti tbh
rigid crag
Would you be weary of buying a 2070s used or no because it's relatively a new card
fallen schooner
I'm very happy with my 2070S I just got
spice prawn
considering that the max age of a 2070 super is about 9months
there is still warranty on it
i would be more worried that the card is "hot" and that i cannot trust the person selling it
rigid crag
Ok
fallen schooner
the gpu I have runs a toasty 60c while gaming
spice prawn
not like that @fallen schooner
rigid crag
Did you buy it used box
fallen schooner
nah
rigid crag
Sry I'm in the car rn and I keep losing reception
fallen schooner
brand new.
rigid crag
Nice
fallen schooner
evga 2070super xc gaming
rigid crag
Which one you get
Ok
Ok well I keep losing reception so I'll continue this talk later. Thanks for the help naed and box. I'm not buying anything rn but I want to know what to look for.
midnight elk
does anybody know if it's better for a gigabyte rx 5600 xt to run adrenalin 20.1.3 or 20.2.2?
wet temple
is rtx disabled on nvlink or just sli
granite juniper
heard 20.2.2 fixed a lot of issues with navi cards
royal copper
ye but everyone still calls it sli lol
wicked hound
@brisk flame It's still SLI.....
same protocol, different connector
similair to M2 SATA and large rectangle SATA. Except NVLINK has higher bandwidth
should also note, SLI tech is a bit different from SLI. SLI tech is probs never going to die. Even when the time comes where Nvidia has two GPUs being treated as one GPU it'll still be "SLI tech", but it wont be "SLI"
gentle gyro
best gpu for 750$ build?
gentle gyro
what about if it was 600$ gaming build
wicked hound
Then 1650S or 1660S
gentle gyro
ty
wicked mortar
the 1080ti does compete with the 2080, at times
@spice prawn If the 5700xt competes with the 1080ti and the 2080 competes with the 1080ti hypothetically can the 5700xt compete with the 2080
thats a lot of words
royal copper
since when does 5700xt compete with 1080ti or 2080
I thought it was closer to 2070s :/
dense flicker
check this out
the 1070 compares with the 1070ti, the 1070ti compares to a 1080, the 1080 compares to a 1080ti, the 1080ti compares to a 2080, the 2080 compares to a 2080 super, and the 2080 super compares to the 2080ti
THEREFORE
my 1070 is on the power level of the 2080ti.
am i right or am i right
spice prawn
your logical fallacy homework is late @dense flicker
dense flicker
i dont like homework
spice prawn
it shows :)
@wicked mortar long story short, it all depends on the situation.
however, for the general gaming use case? it depends.
dense flicker
also naed
pls know that i was joking
pls
i dont wanna look like an idiot
lol
cyan vault
@wicked mortar but the 5700xt doesnt compete with the 1080ti
wicked mortar
it has similar frame rates
wicked mortar
me and you have had this conversation
wicked mortar
cyan vault
At 1440p and 4k 1080ti wins
spice prawn
that is your context @wicked mortar
not the original stated context
meaning, you are moving the goal posts for the debate.
which, imo, is not that nice a thing to do
if you are trying to have a conversation/debate about it
spice prawn
as i said. long story short. It depends.
cyan vault
Nobody buys a high end (or was high end) 1080ti for 1080p
spice prawn
@cyan vault wrong.
wicked mortar
what resolution is you monitor
spice prawn
that is not the topic of the debate
(if it is smart or not)
we can all just throw more and more "goals" into the debate, but that just makes the conversation a mess.
so please try and stick to the context/topic
cyan vault
@wicked mortar im at 1080p but not like the 5700 xt is very good at that, because all of the drivers suck and it cant run some games over 60 fls ultra
wicked mortar
Then I will restate my opinion and try not to get off topic. I believe the 5700xt competes with the 1080ti
like naed said it depends
cyan vault
Its newer, so it has that
spice prawn
i would agree, IF we add that it depends entirely on the specific game being compared
cyan vault
But that is also possibly bad because driver issues
wicked mortar
some games favor Nvidia and some games favor amd
spice prawn
and some favour nothing and just before like drunk donkeys no matter what
crysis 1 comes to mind
cyan vault
xD
wicked mortar
lol
spice prawn
no, far cry 1 is the one i am thinking about in regards to bonkers performance
(sorry, it has been a while)
wicked mortar
does everyone agree that competing means to keep up
spice prawn
that is a bit of a multi-level context
in the sense that the obvious followup question becomes: keep up with what level of performance? 60fps? 120? 144?
wicked mortar
Its not the actual definition but if we are talking about which one is better than I believe the 5700xt can keep up with the 1080ti
cyan vault
It allllll depends
wicked mortar
as long as they're in a 10fps gap
cyan vault
UsEr BeNcHmArK sAyS tHe 1080 ti iS 23% BeTtEr
spice prawn
IF the driver situation repeats itself (and amd has made the right bets with the architecture that RDNA consists ofF) then the 5700xt is the more "sane" investment (yes, this is a sidenote)
"as long as they're in a 10fps gap" <- I could agree to that, IF we have the provision that it needs to be above 60fps
one card at 50 and another at 60 does not mean the 50fps card is keeping up
wicked mortar
I agree on that
spice prawn
because 60 (imo) should be the minimum level
wicked mortar
it is
but with those types of cards I feel almost any game ( not all ) can run well over 60 on 1080p
the reason I say 1080p is because most people play on 1080p
spice prawn
60@1080p
"but with those types of cards I feel almost any game ( not all ) can run well over 60 on 1080p" <- as the game ecosystem is "right now", yes
following is just pure speculation: but lets (just for fun of it) try and look 3 years ahead
wicked mortar
the 1080ti is old
cyan vault
Mine was running really bad I think, 70 fps apex legends not in game, in lobby
Idk why
spice prawn
tech like raytracing, has the potential to make things very very complicated to compare
mind, this is just a "for fun" speculation
wicked mortar
I think the 5700xt is going to last a bit longer than the 1080ti for future games but I dont want to get off topic
spice prawn
not intended as such to be compared with the current cards etc
it is related, because the 1080ti is in itself an "odd" card
thinking of the 11gig and the bandwidth here
cyan vault
Naed you gotta sleep I just realized what time it is for you
spice prawn
i am doing work on the other monitors
cyan vault
Ah ok
spice prawn
welcome to being a freelancer :)
wicked mortar
its late where you are to
wicked mortar
you guys live next to each other lol
wicked mortar
who lives in Europe
cyan vault
Me
wicked mortar
therefore you're a dirty brit
I got confused when you said pond
you mean the North Sea
spice prawn
its just a quick brisk jaunt over there
cyan vault
Its fr like an hour or so
spice prawn
not like the slow slog that is travelling to the states
wicked mortar
3 days and 12 hours doesn't sound too long lol
flat nymph
@wicked mortar there is absoluutelky no reason that the 1080ti would lass less than the 5700xt
if you are reffering to the different memory types thats not that much of a reason
because the 1080ti is an 11gb card with GDDR5
not to mention Pascal can OC like a champ
whereas navi cannot
the 1080ti, in practice, crushes the 5700xt
also
the statement
"most p[eople paly at 1080p"
and "1080p dude"
is stupid at best
because 1080p has prioven to be CPU limited
it doesnt really matter what GPU you have as long as its decent enough
in addition, most people dont OC the 1080ti'
if they did
well
lets just say the gap between 5700xt and 1080ti would show itself
cold stream
granite juniper
i mean that’s kinda unfair since the 1080 ti has been out for like 2 years and the used market is great
bronze dagger
I mean amd has made great strides in the GOU division
The 5700xt wasn’t introduced to be the be all end all top end card it’s a “midrange” but it’s a hell of a power house for midrange these days it goes blow for blow with the 2070S and the old 2080
But they are developing and will release big Navi by the end of this year aiming to surpass 2080ti performance for those in the market for very high end cards
royal copper
but hwat about 3080ti
bronze dagger
No one knows yet
We gotta wait for both cards to drop before we can just assume who’s gonna be better
spice prawn
just like no one knows the details about the navi parts coming later
bronze dagger
I’m sure the 3080 TI and NAVI x2 are both gonna be behemoths and when they both drop we will see how powerful they are
But from current benchmark leaks the big Navi card beats the 2080ti
But it’s all engineering samples rn
spice prawn
those benchmarks are just wishful dreams by websites that LOVE clicks
bronze dagger
Well what ever you want to think
Let’s hope they both are behemoth cards and lets hope for good competition so prices are good yeah?
I want both to be good so we have some serious competition in the market
spice prawn
keeping your feet firmly planted on the ground, instead of trying to fly by the hot-air that is spewed out by the rumour mill is imo the saner option
bronze dagger
Why not just be hopeful for the best from Both sides
spice prawn
who says i am not?
i am just not a fan of rumours that are trying to build hype.
because hype generally just hurts the end product
ashen burrow
Guys should i might buy my pc today should i wait or go for it 2.6k aud
royal copper
depends if you really want it now and how the prices are on your parts
With factories closed the prices will rise if they haven't already, Idk what prices look like rn but I'd say either now or after corona is done with
bronze dagger
Depends on the card
Polaris cards kinda kept their prices
Touring cards probably rising haven’t looked though
Possibly Navi rose
Not by much so far
royal copper
I know ssds went up
bronze dagger
Yeah and some cpus
The 1600af can’t keep a stable 85 dollar price tag it keeps jumping to 99
wicked hound
That's supply and demand, nothing really to do with human malware
NAND itself was expected to rise before human malware came to be, so not really an issue there. No GPU prices have risen yet
royal copper
but because of human malware there is or will be low supply
wicked hound
It's just a low tier part that doesn't have high supply no matter what
As demand wasn't expected to be so high
It can only be bought for $85 from a single seller on Amazon. That isn't a very reliable source for a stable price
cyan vault
@wicked hound strange question, what is human malware
wicked hound
Idk what kind of censorship is going on for this server rn, but the China issues
And some other places
cyan vault
K
torpid parrot
any recommendations on a good chassis (with good airflow and quiet) for a dual gpu build
cyan vault
@torpid parrot why dual gpu?
torpid parrot
it is for a deep learning build
spice prawn
which gpu's
torpid parrot
Titan RTXs
spice prawn
rack chassis is the simple solution
torpid parrot
i am looking for a mid or full tower, maybe dual chamber style; it is a single user build
wicked hound
Did you research the dual GPU as to what is best or just instantly pick titan?
torpid parrot
@wicked hound they were selected after some research
wicked hound
Good
torpid parrot
and based on types of workflows that may be carried out
spice prawn
@torpid parrot please keep in mind, this is generally a consumer/gaming hardware server. so you are almost guaranteed to get some silly suggestions
wicked hound
As AMD cards on both new and used are pretty good cards, or some used Nvidia ones
But depends on specific workloads
Thus why I asked
torpid parrot
for the case, what do you think of the airflow and noise in lian li o11 dynamic xl
spice prawn
not that we cant help you, just that it is very much outside the regular experience of most people here :)
cyan vault
Ah ok
wicked hound
o11 isn't that great for air-cooled
Just meh
Due to a non straight airflow design
spice prawn
what matters more for you @torpid parrot is distance between the slots on your mainboard
because the Titan RTX is NOT a blowerstyle cooler
torpid parrot
@spice prawn yes I agree
spice prawn
which is also why i started with the rack suggestion
because it is trivial to throw "enough" air at the cards in that setup
any "big" case will be fine for you @torpid parrot , as long as you are willing to sacrifice noise
because you are only going to go dual right?
torpid parrot
the mb is the asos rog strix x299-e gaming II, because i am needing to use the full capacity of ram
@spice prawn yes dual titan RTX will be enough lol
spice prawn
i work with clients that have quad and beyond setups, hence why i ask
torpid parrot
@spice prawn right, I am hoping not to need quad
@spice prawn what would be your recommendations outside of the rack chassis
spice prawn
as mentioned earlier, anything big really
i have a personal preference for fractal design cases
nice and sturdy cases, lovely to work with
torpid parrot
@spice prawn I am considering fractal cases as well
@spice prawn but how is the airflow in those for multiple GPUs
torpid parrot
@spice prawn no more than 3-4 HDDs at most,
@spice prawn probably 1-2 HDDs at the most
torpid parrot
@spice prawn so do you think define 7 will be better airflow than the o11 dynamic xl
spice prawn
2 drives "out of the way" at the bottom front
and direct pass for the rest of the case
torpid parrot
@spice prawn and would there be any advantage to having the dual compartment of the o11 dynamic xl ?
torpid parrot
@spice prawn my main concern about the fractal define r6 or 7 was how they would work for 2 titan RTX, with no fans at the bottom
torpid parrot
@is that for fractal define r6, 7 or 7 xl
torpid parrot
@spice prawn ok thanks; however, for dual gpu do you think it is better to go with r6/7 or XL R2/7 XL