graphics-cards

[reef atlas]

So that's why I wanna upgrade my gpu but torn between waiting for 3080 or just get 5700xt

[red hamlet]

upgrade your GPU first

I'd wait for Nvidia's GPUs

[reef atlas]

My brother said the founders edition for rtx is usually crap

[red hamlet]

5700 series is still a mess imo

[spice prawn]

nothing on the market can push that kind of pixels at 144frames unless you go way down in settings [edit: frames]

[reef atlas]

And they take few weeks to release a better version of 3080

[red hamlet]

yes just wait

[reef atlas]

Ok I guess I'll just wait :(. Thanks.

[spice prawn]

lets just have a bit of knowledge spreading here. A 1440p panel has this resolution: 2560*1440. That leads to 3.686.400 pixels

now, you want to place two side by side, and run them as one screen: that is 5120*1440. Which leads to 7.372.800 pixels

[reef atlas]

Oh I meant having one screen play 1440p while the other is just to match the other monitor for movies/shows/work

[spice prawn]

regular 4k monitors have a resolution of 3840*2160. Which leads to 8.294.400 pixels

so, what it seemed you wanted to do what close-ish to 4k work load in a very weird aspect ratio

Oh I meant having one screen play 1440p while the other is just to match the other monitor for movies/shows/work <- this is not "dual monitor gaming"

this is dual monitors with one used for gaming.

[reef atlas]

Lol I guess I need to word better

[spice prawn]

depending on the words you have used when you have asked people. They answer based on how they think about it

[reef atlas]

So based off clearing things up how would u have answered

XD

[spice prawn]

1440p on a single monitor, the 5700xt is fine for that, i cannot remember how high the performance on it goes thou

2sec

[reef atlas]

Should be able to handle witcher 3 on max I hope

[spice prawn]

well, you are not going to just max everything in every game at 1440p and get 144 frames steady

that is just not happening

[reef atlas]

Ok specifically witcher 3 at the least?

[spice prawn]

no clue, you can look that up yourself :)

[reef atlas]

XD

Would a 1060 run 1440p monitor one for gaming and monitor 2 same monitor but not for gaming

If it cant run 2 1440p same time for gaming

[spice prawn]

the problem/challenge is not having 3 monitors showing the desktop

the problem/challenge is having them all push pixels at a rate that is NOT a slideshow

(i used 3 monitors above because that is the regular limit on the nvidia side of things)

having, as you want, 2 monitors (1440p) on the desktop can be done with a Nvidia 1030

not a problem

so the question is not: would a 1060 be able to X

[reef atlas]

Gaming 1440p with 144fps on one should be too while watching netflix on the other though?

[spice prawn]

netflix doesnt remotely stress the gpu

it is a trivial thing for it

the main question is: does X card perform as you want at 1440p?

if yes? then just add a secondary monitor.

it is that simple.

[reef atlas]

1060 is x?

[spice prawn]

it could be

or it could be the 5700xt

does not matter

the logic behind what i wrote above works for all cards

[reef atlas]

960 can't play 1440p with 144fps

No way. On high/ultra settings

[spice prawn]

read what i wrote :)

IF a given card, performs as YOU want at 1440p

then adding a second monitor is trivial

[lone pond]

960 barely plays apex on 60fps on all low settings

[lone pond]

Looking to speak with someone with experience in builds, regarding what my next step should be. GPU is dying however I am gonna open it up and reapply some thermal paste tonight: but with my taxes I figure why not upgrade my components and if this thermal paste fixes my card I can sell it cheap. Anyone willing to talk?

[brisk flame]

sure ig

whats your current build

motherboard, cpu and gpu?

@lone pond

[lone pond]

I have a Ryzen 5 2600 on an MSI x470 Gaming Plus MOBO. I have a EVGA 980Ti FTW Edition.

I have about $600 to spend. I want to get a new GPU. But I’m considering adding some cosmetics as well if I can get a lower card with not too much of a performance loss, to be able to add some cosmetic stuff

[brisk flame]

i see

[lone pond]

I’ve been looking at RTX 2060S or 2070 or 2070S

[spice prawn]

2070super is entirely in range

[lone pond]

Obviously 2070S would basically cover my whole budget

[brisk flame]

and is a decent upgrade over the 980ti

[spice prawn]

the evga xc has a bit of bling to it too

[lone pond]

But I’m asking. Between the three... is the 2060S that much of a difference?

I want the 2060S XC if I don’t get a 2070

[spice prawn]

consider this question: would you have been okay with the 970 vs the 980ti?

[lone pond]

Honestly this is my first build

I don’t know much

Which is why I’m asking

If I can DM someone I can show you three options I’m considering and maybe you can understand my thoughts a bit

[spice prawn]

consider this, the length you of time you have had the 980ti is almost entirely because you went that "far" up the stack of card

you can dm either of us i think

[brisk flame]

you can show the options here if you would like

[spice prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339864891756249089/675858256006217779/unknown.png

that is one of the ones he posted

[brisk flame]

i see, the AIO is a bit pricy

for just a 240mm

[spice prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675873158200295467/675873684358955038/image0.jpg

his current build (for seeing the visual)

[lone pond]

Okay

So yeah I want some more color I guess

[spice prawn]

"This is my build right now
I’d like a bit more color haha I know it’s cosmetic but that’s why I’m asking if the 2060S is that much of a difference, or if the 2070S really is just worth getting that" <- what he has said so far

[lone pond]

^^

[spice prawn]

well, everything is a tradeoff really

[brisk flame]

the aio and fans can really add the most color to a build

[lone pond]

I want a reliable Liquid cooler if I am gonna get one

[spice prawn]

yes, but 100 bucks for what amounts to a bit of light ...

[lone pond]

Are cooler master AIOs good?

[brisk flame]

what type of monitor do you have?

[lone pond]

BenQ 1440p

[brisk flame]

they are alright, ive read good reviews on it

[lone pond]

But I’m trying to get rid of it for a 1080

[brisk flame]

the CM AIO

1080p

?

[lone pond]

Yeah

[brisk flame]

in that case, the 2070s might be excessive

for only 1080p

[lone pond]

Right now I’m running 1440p

[brisk flame]

is there anything wrong with your monitor?

[lone pond]

Just a dead ribbon

[brisk flame]

ahh

[brisk flame]

so would you want a high refresh rate 1080p monitor?

or just 60hz

[lone pond]

60hz would be fine for me

This is only 60hz

[brisk flame]

if you do any fps gaming, a 144hz monitor will really be nice

[spice prawn]

(mind, i am playing devils advocate here)

[lone pond]

Eventually I’d get a higher Refresh rate but it’s not a priority

[spice prawn]

the 2070S is an investment in the future/longevity(length of time until you come back and ask for a replacement recommendation from us)

[lone pond]

My comp is having crashes from the GPU and that’s the main issue. I’m being selfish wanting cosmetic stuff

[spice prawn]

certain it is not the PSU?

[brisk flame]

so you need a new gpu and monitor on a $600 budget?

[spice prawn]

just GPU sassy

[brisk flame]

could be a psu

[lone pond]

I already RMA’d the PSU, bought a new CPU, MOBO, New RAM

[spice prawn]

kk

[brisk flame]

no, look at previous picture

his monitor bad

[lone pond]

The monitor I’m not worried about

[brisk flame]

oh

ok

[spice prawn]

aye, i know, but the 600 is for the GPU alone :)

[lone pond]

I can’t even notice it

[brisk flame]

is it a solid green, or just a discoloration?

[spice prawn]

its the vertical line @brisk flame

[lone pond]

Realistically I’d only like to spend $400-500 on the GPU

[brisk flame]

OOHHHH

i thought it was the giant green bar lmaoo

[spice prawn]

the green is part of the site :)

[lone pond]

$600 if it’s gonna be something that’s like okay.... then my build is how I’d like it

[brisk flame]

if your gonna keep the monitor and push 1440p, the 2070s is the best choice

[spice prawn]

dont spend 600

[lone pond]

Hahaha yeah just the vertical little line

Okay don’t spend $600

So just buy a card

[brisk flame]

plus, it leaves room for a 1440p 144hz in the future if you would like

[spice prawn]

for what you seem to indicate you want to do, 600 would be overkill

[lone pond]

Are you being my Financial angel on my shoulder

[spice prawn]

nah

[lone pond]

I’m confused

[spice prawn]

but there is overkil and then there is silly overkill

[lone pond]

So what do I do

[brisk flame]

the stock cpu cooler is fine, the case fans you have are still spinning i assume, just get a new gpu

its a good cooler actually

[spice prawn]

re:gpu: we will get to that in a moment @lone pond

[lone pond]

The fans are all hand me downs, one of them is ripped from a CM CPU cooler and rigged to be a case fan

[spice prawn]

as long as it works and doesnt annoy you with noise

[lone pond]

Nah it doesn’t

[spice prawn]

question for you: Would you prefer to spend 100 extra for 1+ year of extra time until you have to visit us again?

[lone pond]

I was also thinking.. just buy a new case, with lighted case fans already and a gpu and bam. Done

$700?

[spice prawn]

nah, this is the 2060s vs 2070s rephrased

[brisk flame]

i mean, if you WANT a new case enough

but, the case you have rn is fine from a performance standpoint

[spice prawn]

which is a question of 400 vs 500

[lone pond]

Uh. Hmmm. I’d spend the 500. Cause that gives me $100 for new fans. Which I think now is all I need for cosmetics, my cooler is indeed just fine

😝

[spice prawn]

:)

[brisk flame]

would you like some case suggestions?

[lone pond]

Right now I have the Corsair 950D

Now one other question

[spice prawn]

ask away

no, we come with bad humour preinstalled

[lone pond]

I’m using a USB3.0 WiFi Adapter right now... would it improve my speeds and connections if I bought a Wifi card?

[spice prawn]

it is not an option to not get it

depends on the antenna etc

[lone pond]

I know wrong place

[spice prawn]

nah, it is fine (that you posted here)

[lone pond]

Well mines connected to a wire to the top of my case, but I could get the same bandwidth with antennas attached to the back of my case and connected straight to my mobo

[spice prawn]

you dont have the option of going with a ethernet cable?

[lone pond]

Unfortunately no

[spice prawn]

shame

[lone pond]

It’s like 100ft away

I’d have to drill holes in walls

[spice prawn]

well, 100ft cat6 cable is simple (in theory)

but, the recommendation would be for you to have a look at your access point and see what it supports

and then get something that fits that

[lone pond]

Fair enough

[wispy stone]

I tried 3 different USB wifi adapters once and they all had high ping and just couldn't reach their advertised speeds

Wifi card is the way to go

[spice prawn]

depends on the access point and the board it is plugged into

and the finer details can be talked about when he knows what standards he needs support for

finer details = usb or pcie

[wispy stone]

I plugged them into 3.1 Gen2 usb

[brisk flame]

@lone pond https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-meshify-c-tg-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352084

thats a personal fav

[wispy stone]

bottom line, wifi card gives me significantly better connection, high speeds, and far less ping

[spice prawn]

this is not a personal thing @wispy stone but i have done this for too many years to easily trust the statements of users :)

so unless you have some product names (which i would be interested in, because new info is always interesting)

[wispy stone]

sure let me grab em...

[spice prawn]

but the statement "3 usb wifi sticks" does not mean anything really :)

[brisk flame]

https://www.newegg.com/black-corsair-icue-220t-rgb-airflow-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139142
this one is also good, but doesnt have an exhaust, you could take the one of the three from the front tho

[wispy stone]

no, I simply was getting too high ping on the first stick, so when i returned the first one, i decided to buy 2 while at the store and just return the one I didn't like

in my case, they were all just not good enough

[spice prawn]

aye, and i get that it can happen.

and in theory i agree with you

in practice, access point details come first thou

then the stick/card can be looked at

because IF the access point is "interesting" enough, you might be going beyond what a given stick can handle

[wispy stone]

so here's the wifi card im using in my pc

https://www.newegg.com/fenvi-fv-2030t-pci-express/p/0XM-00JK-00039?Item=9SIADXZ81V9696

[spice prawn]

aye, i know that one.

[wispy stone]

it's a cheap brand but it hasn't given me a single issues

been happy for a about 3 months now

[spice prawn]

any info on the sticks you tried?

[wispy stone]

yes let me grab those, bought them from micro center

[spice prawn]

cheers

[wispy stone]

here's the first one that I returned...

https://www.microcenter.com/product/436586/Archer_T2U_AC600_Wireless_Dual_Band_USB_Adapter

https://www.microcenter.com/product/488819/asus-usb-ac53-ac1200-dual-band-wireless-usb-adapter-refurbished

[spice prawn]

third one?

[wispy stone]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/475572/tp-link-archer-t4u-ac1300-wireless-dual-band-usb-adapter

so the AC1300 was the one I had hopes for but speed could not go past 200 mbps

I have 400 at home

[spice prawn]

there is one heck of a difference in antenna size between the models

[wispy stone]

well, to be fair, I just wanted it to work as it was so much easier to just plug in a usb and I got them at the micro center store

[spice prawn]

aye aye

[wispy stone]

my router is a Netgear Nighthawk, I forget the name of it though

[spice prawn]

the "spider"?

[wispy stone]

AC1900

[near berry]

Meanwhile I'm using a Huawei B715S-23C 4G router

[wispy stone]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/422569/netgear-nighthawk-ac1900-smart-dual-band-wireless-ac-router

this thing

[spice prawn]

ah yes, that one

[wispy stone]

it's overkill

[spice prawn]

not the spider

[wispy stone]

In my city we have internet speed of up to 1200 mbps

I tried the 1000 but it was so unnecessary for me

dropped it down to 400

braggin rights

[near berry]

Wish i still had the 1000/100 fiber i had on my old apartment

25€ a month LUL

[wispy stone]

daaaaayyum

[near berry]

Normal price of 55€ a month

Special offer

[spice prawn]

there is a good chance that IF you had taken a usb extension cord and placed the AC600 away from the case, things could have worked out

[near berry]

But eh this 40-80 Down 40-60 Up 4G is enough for me to even stream with

[wispy stone]

thats true

just dont let your g/f start streaming a show

otherwise... gg's

XD

[near berry]

And this costs 40€ a month with the device included (adv max speeds that could be available at different places around the city is 300/300)

I don't have any GF or similar LUL

[wispy stone]

to me 200-300 is like the speed most adequate for most families

I wish everyone had at least 100 available to them

[near berry]

I live alone, well with a housemate, but he has his own 4G modem and connection

Wired 300/20 would be available, buut at cost of 50 a month

depends on apt complex/age of building and connection type for the speeds and costs

[wispy stone]

yeah, very much so

[near berry]

Most laughable I've seen is at my mom's place. 16/0.8 speeds for 60. Meanwhile 4G gets her 60/40

[wispy stone]

poor mom

rip

hook her up

[near berry]

least 4G is usable and cheap around here

unlimited data for 20-25€ a month and theoretical max speed cap of 300 both ways

[brisk flame]

mobile gaemer

[near berry]

yes. Sold my old desktop and this is my main PC now

Got this laptop for 450€ used vs normal avg used price of 700€

Could flip this

[brisk flame]

he has a laptop

goof

its soldered

[near berry]

Well my secondary system right now is a desktop LUL, but it's a Non-K OC Celeron project waiting for a motherboard

[brisk flame]

yes

the 7700HQ

no

[near berry]

7700HQ is it, but there are a few laptops with a 1151 socket that can take 7700K

[brisk flame]

cuz its mobile

yeah, if you get a bga adapter

and solder it

[near berry]

7700HQ is it, but there are a few laptops with a 1151 socket that can take 7700K

I'm waiting for the Asus Z170-Deluxe for the Celeron G3900 Project, that will later on get a cheap i7 6700 for it

Not for any more than 15€/$

[brisk flame]

no

[near berry]

I don't give any value for LGA 775 parts

Well I've found a C2E QX9770 with it's box and all for 40€ in my country and it sit for 3 years till it sold at 20€

I loved the Q6600. Had one OC'd to 3.7Ghz with 1.59V for 3-4 years

[wispy stone]

When I was a kid, my mom got me a new PC with a Pentium 4... she had no idea what she bought me and I was the cool kid (for about a week)

[velvet wigeon]

Soo...

What's the best price to value gpu these days

[spice prawn]

depends on your budget

[brisk flame]

if your talking overall price to performance

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=rx+580&qid=1581219152&s=electronics&sr=1-1

cant beat that

[velvet wigeon]

I'm really inexperienced when it comes to graphics cards

My budget is like $450

[brisk flame]

for just a gpu

[velvet wigeon]

Yes

[spice prawn]

list the rest of your build please

[brisk flame]

mainly cpu, and monitor

[velvet wigeon]

Don't know exact monitor

[spice prawn]

cpu, ram, storage and monitor are the relevant ones for now

[velvet wigeon]

But cpu would be ryzen 5 3rd gen or 7 2nd gen

[spice prawn]

so you are building a machine?

[velvet wigeon]

Ran about 16

Planning to

[brisk flame]

oh, oops, i thought you were upgrading

srry

[spice prawn]

total budget and when is your purchase date?

[velvet wigeon]

But gpu is like a grey area for me

Total is $2500

[spice prawn]

use case?

[velvet wigeon]

In about 3 months

Yes

[spice prawn]

i mean, what is your intended use ?

[velvet wigeon]

Gaming, 3d modeling

Mainly

[spice prawn]

student?

[velvet wigeon]

Yes

[spice prawn]

okay, so not professional 3d modelling

[brisk flame]

what software do you use most

[velvet wigeon]

No like hobbyist

[spice prawn]

okay

the budget you listed, is that the machine itself ? or does that include monitor etc?

[velvet wigeon]

Machine itself

Nothing else

[spice prawn]

hm, it is easy enough to spec something for you.

however, generally any list we make is only "valid" for 2-3 weeks

because changes in price etc

[velvet wigeon]

Ok

[wicked hound]

eh, not too much

Unless some specific cooler/ssd

[spice prawn]

so the end conclusion would be for you to come back in 2+ months for a list that is actually relevant

[velvet wigeon]

Ok

Thanks

[spice prawn]

you are very welcome.

[wicked hound]

That many months comes close to a release date right?

[velvet wigeon]

However is nivida generally better than and?

[wicked hound]

I dont pay attention to what they are

[spice prawn]

we are past GDC at that point yes @wicked hound

[wicked hound]

depends on task

sometimes AMD is a better choice, sometimes Nvidia

[spice prawn]

something for you to start thinking about is what case you want @velvet wigeon

[velvet wigeon]

Oh I know that

Hold on

iCUE 465X RGB Mid-Tower ATX Smart Case

https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Software-Control-and-Monitoring-Cases/iCUE-465X-RGB-Mid-Tower-ATX-Smart-Case/p/CC-9011188-WW

[spice prawn]

black or white?

[velvet wigeon]

Black

[spice prawn]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mzHpzN <- that comes in about 400 under the budget.

reason for that is we have not talked storage

[velvet wigeon]

Woow

Oh wait

This USA right?

I live in Canada

[spice prawn]

that is hard to know if you dont say so :)

[velvet wigeon]

Sorry

Thanks for building though

[spice prawn]

np

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZrtkWb <- that is the same list in CDN

yes, i know it is above budget,

and i changed the GPU to one with less "bling"

[velvet wigeon]

It's doable

[spice prawn]

however, keep this in mind.

that is "now"

3 months can change a lot of things

i have saved it in my account, so it is up to you when you want to come and shout at me about an updated version

[velvet wigeon]

Ok

Thanks

[spice prawn]

you are very welcome :)

see you in a couple of months (or whenever you are 2-3 weeks max from wanting to purchase things)

[velvet wigeon]

Ok see you then lol

[spice prawn]

:)

[autumn harbor]

I don't have detailed information on flashing a gpu bios.
How risky is it

And is it even worth it?

[cyan vault]

What card? @autumn harbor

[autumn harbor]

The 5600 flashing with xt Bios

[verbal cairn]

Is the 5600 even a released card ?

[cyan vault]

No

The 5600 doesnt exist

Only the 5600 xt @autumn harbor

Link your card

[autumn harbor]

Sorry folks i was talking about the 5700

[cyan vault]

Ah

Ok

Still which one

And if you're happy with your current performance, why do it?

[autumn harbor]

No its pretty good.
I just heard about this new flash update thing and wanted ur guys opinion

[lone marlin]

1070 ti or 1660 ti?

[verbal cairn]

1070 Ti has better frame rates

[lone marlin]

ok thx

[verbal cairn]

But prices are pretty different

[shrewd zenith]

whatsa good bang for the buck card to get ri ght now that will allow 1080 gaming at ULTRA / MAX settings?

[nocturne dagger]

rx 580 or 10606gb used

[shrewd zenith]

thank you @nocturne dagger

[nocturne dagger]

anytime ive went the 1060 6gb route and it does great

[abstract monolith]

the rx 580 and 1060 6gb are neck and neck when it comes to benchmarks it seems

[shrewd zenith]

ok now, the CPU i have is an old AMD FX-8350

will the CPU bottleneck the GPU?

[abstract monolith]

i'd look up a bottleneck calculator, but i dont know if theyre true or not

[shrewd zenith]

thank you @abstract monolith I didn't know they excited

[nocturne dagger]

dont go by bottleneck calculators the 10606gb will be fine i have it with a i5 4690k

[shrewd zenith]

existed

[abstract monolith]

like i said i dont know if they actually work or dont but i think it should be good with an fx 8350

[spice prawn]

eh, the fx-8350 is not known for its good performance

[nocturne dagger]

its not but itll be fine

[shrewd zenith]

thank you

[spice prawn]

it is a fairly quirky chip with a bit of a temper

@shrewd zenith you planned on being around a bit later too right?

[sweet lotus]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z7qNx6 is this a good "upgrade route"? (pieces I already have are marked as purchased) also, the fancy 5700xt is just a placeholder as I might be waiting

[spice prawn]

imo, the CLC is a very expensive light strip without any other practical use in that build [edit: with->without]

[sweet lotus]

the liquid cooler?

[shrewd zenith]

yes of course @spice prawn

[spice prawn]

@sweet lotus yes

@shrewd zenith i am going out on a call for a bit, so i will catch you later

[shrewd zenith]

sounds good, have a good day Naed

[spice prawn]

@shrewd zenith as i mentioned earlier, the fx-8350 is not a powerfull cpu, even for its time it was a weak cpu. It came out after the sandy bridge 2500k, and got the snot beat out of it by that cpu. nvm the intel 3xxx it was actually supposed to compete with.

mind, this is not to say that you will 100% certainly be bottlenecked

bottlenecking is not a "yes/no" question.

its a "it depends entirely on what you are doing" kind of question

and just to get the peanut gallery off my back, the 4690 it was compared against is so far ahead of it in performance that it isnt funny

and that is before we get to the whole "keep it below 61c" quirk that it has.

oh, lets not forget that it LOVES power

[shrewd zenith]

thank you @spice prawn

[mighty raptor]

should i get an upgrade to my r9 200 series gpu?

[spice prawn]

in what you use your machine for, are you in need of more performance?

[mighty raptor]

i'm planning on getting an 144 hz monitor

and still use the 75hz monitor as a secondary

[spice prawn]

none of that really answers what i asked about :)

[mighty raptor]

i mainly use my pc for blender or rainbow 6

or youtube

i wanna see what gpu is better but doesn't break my bank.

[spice prawn]

depends on what model you have and what budget you have

[mighty raptor]

ok

thanks

[cyan vault]

@sweet lotus

Different keyboard

Get the red devil instead

If you really want to save get the 5700 red devil and flash the bios

Just use the stock cooler also

[sweet lotus]

im not really comfortable flashing the bios but ty for the tips

[lone pond]

Ok guys

Need a rx570 8gb cheap

[hexed forge]

theyre like 150, if need cheaper, look on ebay

or like 130 i guess lol

[brisk flame]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283774338428

[vivid condor]

what do yall bois think about a 2070 super?

[lone pond]

Oof

To expensive

[warped sable]

You can’t just ask what we think about a 2070s, it’s a great card but if you have a pentium cpu then that’s not great

[spice prawn]

well, it is still a nice card, just not that usefull

[unborn spire]

Best 250$ under gpus?

[tired swan]

1660S, rx 590

[gray vapor]

RX 590 doesn't even come close to a 1660 Super though

[tired swan]

what benchmark are you looking at?

in this one at least it is at most 5 fps behind for $30 less
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcPNDKLg7qE

except in like outer worlds where its 10fps

[gray vapor]

I look at benchmarks from actual people not someone that says what it is without proof

[spice prawn]

thats funny, i could have sworn that you dont ever link anything to backup your statements @gray vapor

[spare relic]

GT 710 gets 400 fps in Battlefield 5 2160p ultra Ray Tracing HD

[spice prawn]

@tired swan you might want to rethink you statement thou.

it is a bit more nuanced

[tired swan]

is the techpowerup benchmark thing accurate?

[spice prawn]

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2542?vs=2548

techpowerup is generally fairly accurate yes

for their benchmarks that is

[tired swan]

because according to it the 1660S is about 20% faster, which i would consider worth it actually

guess i just need to look at more benchmarks

and you could probably save some money on a psu by going with the 1660S, so i guess id go with that one

[gray vapor]

Naed you'd need to be around more often to witness things then

[spice prawn]

or care less about details like backing up statements

[gray vapor]

Topics about this has been covered numerous times already which people including myself will show videos from hardware unboxed and Gamer Nexus so we don't always have to keep showing it over and over again

[spice prawn]

here is the "thing", the people that ask cannot read your mind.

you are free to act like they can, that is your choice.

[gray vapor]

ya because people can't really use YouTube right

[spice prawn]

you really dont get it do you?

if people ask for help, they want help.

what is the actual practical use of the statement you delivered above?

there is no one that forces you to post here. If you dont want to help the customer get the answer they are looking for. Then dont answer.

that is imo, what this community is trying to do.

[wicked hound]

https://www.techspot.com/review/1935-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-super/

Looking at individual game benchs makes it hard to determine perf overall

Probs why people keep constantly misjudging perf of two components competing against each other

[spice prawn]

indeed, which is why context is so important.

[wicked hound]

You have this specific bench, major perf difference

30% better

Just trying to look at a bunch of benches that all look decently better and guess the average perf increase is kinda hard

[lone pond]

Got the Quadroo p5000

16gb

[elder marsh]

Naed is a techie don't bother arguing with him he is right.

[wicked hound]

If we are going by roles... Ecks would easily win being a Mod Trainee. So.. sure?

[granite juniper]

dang 5700 slaps in bf2

[slim solstice]

Just switched from the 960 to the 1050ti should I see a HUGE difference?

[lone pond]

Can play 958 of 1000 games that are newer on high and ultra

Sweet

This is a cheap build lol

[slim solstice]

Oh @wicked hound , got a new graphics card for free, my huge problem fixed, didn’t even need to find anything on letgo lol

[lone pond]

Bruh lol

[rigid crag]

Would it be a bottleneck to pair a 2070 with an i5 6400

[gray vapor]

The site sucks doesn't even have 1650 super's on the list

[lone pond]

When I try to play games, after a while it says “graphics device lost” or something similar and then shuts down. What’s the deal with that?

Oh and then my gpu doesn’t work until I restart my computer

[stiff zodiac]

@wicked hound nice 5700 is top 1 xD

[violet dock]

what the heck is a ryzen 5 pro?

[stiff zodiac]

for pro gamers 🙂

[gray vapor]

Ryzen 5 Pro was supposed to be like the Supers that Nvidia has mae

made

[wicked hound]

Wasnt it more or less confirmed support for ECC memory rather then "it'll probably work"?

[stiff zodiac]

xD

[mellow kiln]

Look how freakin mahoosive the rx480 is compared to my 1050ti

[hexed forge]

yeah some of the amd gpus are rediculously huge

[lone pond]

check out the asus strix stuff

chonkers

[mellow kiln]

Well I think the rx480 is more normal sized, and the 1050ti is teeny

But the 1050ti is hella more efficient, plus nvenc, soooo.... Why not run both in the same system? >:)

[gray vapor]

Why not just use a 1650 Super or 1660 Super?

[mellow kiln]

Because my solution is much more ghetto and looks cooler

Especially when you open task manager

[gray vapor]

But yet the 1650 Super out performs the 480 and uses New NVENC

[mellow kiln]

Also I just so happen to have both of these cards with me at the moment

1650 super is cool, but it's not as cool as saying you're running both amd and Nvidia gpus in 1 computer

Also it allows me to run xplane on the 480, insurgency on the 1050ti, and encode OBS on the 1050ti as well (x264 don't work cuz xplane chews CPUs and GPUs)

[ashen burrow]

Hey guys i have a question i have 2.5k

should i buy a pc now or wait till the 30series launches

[cold stream]

wait

[stiff zodiac]

Dx 12 test

metro exodus 1440p

sad fps lol 52 fps

[nocturne yarrow]

@rigid crag to answer your question, it should only bottleneck on games that are intensive to CPU (like r6 and - that's the only one I can think of at the moment).

I used to have a 1070ti and i5 8400. When I got my i7, my frames in siege jumped up by 100. However, in other games that are mostly gpu based, it hardly made a difference (ie Minecraft with shaders and 3D textures).

[fallow nest]

How much 1080 ti

[verbal cairn]

Pretty expensive. At this price point, I would just get an RTX card @fallow nest

[nocturne yarrow]

Agreed ^

[spice prawn]

@elder marsh debate is encouraged, stamping your feet and claiming you are right? is not. @wicked hound was debating, putting forth his view on how users/consumers understand/see the benchmark graphs

[gray vapor]

@fallow nest Depends where you get it cause new would be too much right now but used would be between like 400$ to 600$ depending on the seller and of course the model.

[granite juniper]

If you get it used for more than $450 it’s a terrible purchase

[gray vapor]

Well if it is a hybrid version then expect to pay more than 450$

[young venture]

Someone is selling an Sapphire Nitro* 5700 xt for $385 (shipping included). Should I cop or wait for new GPUs to come out?

It’s near brand new btw

[granite juniper]

I’d you can deal with the drivers yeah

[spice prawn]

are you willing to risk that for 45 usd?

"near brand new" <- is imo not worth the risk saving that small amount

[solemn panther]

Drivers bad

Nvidia better

(:

I leave now

[young venture]

😆

[spice prawn]

you could take the drivel with you?

[young venture]

Cause it was either that or getting the SE edition from amazon.

But at the same time, I’m thinking if I should wait to get a 2080 super when prices drop.

[spice prawn]

you are going to have to wait a bit for that

[fallen schooner]

*if prices drop

[granite juniper]

money is money

[spice prawn]

eventually it will drop.

you might have a house and kids by then, but the price will have dropped

[granite juniper]

but yeah nvidia barely drops prices at all unless a new amd card comes out

[fiery nymph]

guys how should i oc the 1650 super i overclocked it on core +150 and memory +1500 but when i play games, after a while the game will froze and say that my video card drivers crashed

[fallen schooner]

dont oc it.

[fiery nymph]

gpu isnt going more then 65 degrees

[granite juniper]

silicon isn’t good then if it’s not thermal

[spice prawn]

@fiery nymph ask in #overclocking and take great notice of the text at the top of the channel

[fiery nymph]

bruh

[gray vapor]

@fiery nymph when overclocking a GPU take it up a little at a time until it is actually stable and won't cause any issues.

[spice prawn]

@gray vapor perhaps say that in the right channel? :P

[gray vapor]

This is still the right channel for it since it is a GPU question

[spice prawn]

its OC related.

[gray vapor]

Still a GPU question

[spice prawn]

in his post, you encounter OC first. clearly it is OC related first and foremost

:P

[gray vapor]

The question is already here just answer it here instead of moving around to different channels

besides the channel here isn't busy as well with a bunch of other people talking

[spice prawn]

just remember the example you are setting @gray vapor

[fallen schooner]

can you both not nit pick.

[gray vapor]

Box i am just saying that for everything you don't always need to redirect it somewhere else

[vital zephyr]

@gray vapor @spice prawn theres some mad tension between you two

[maiden sun]

I have an rx 580 xfx black edition and it only consumes 100w and gets up to 60c under load unlike EVERY video I’ve watched where it’s at 180w much higher than mine, Any ideas why?

[fallen schooner]

how long have you had it

[maiden sun]

Literally like 2 days

It’s been a singular month.

[fallen schooner]

what percentage are the fans?

when at 60c

[maiden sun]

40

Before I would have it at like 80 and it wouldn’t drop under 70

[fallen schooner]

even tho, 60c underload is completely fine

[maiden sun]

My problem is the card is hardcore underperforming compared to other people’s

[fallen schooner]

what pci-e slot

could be luck of the draw, should be within time frame to RMA

[maiden sun]

What’s ram?

Rma***

[fallen schooner]

you return the card, they send you a new one.

[maiden sun]

Ah.

Ok

And could the pcie slot really affect performance?

[fallen schooner]

which slot do you have it in

which mobo

[maiden sun]

The top one

X570-p I think it’s ASUS

[fallen schooner]

installed latest chipsetdriver?

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X570-P/HelpDesk_Download/

[maiden sun]

I’ll have to get it.

I’m insatilling the chipset driver, I hope this works :))

[spice prawn]

it might not prompt you for it, but do give you system a restart after

[maiden sun]

Yeah, I’m restating now.

And also, my adrenalin stopped working completely after this started happening, I re installed it and it still wouldn’t open.

[spice prawn]

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html <- have a go with this one

BUT, one thing at a time :)

[maiden sun]

Hell yeah, I went form 60 FPS on battlefield 4 to 90!

Thanks dudes!

Battlefield 1 on ultra****

Not 4

[spice prawn]

its @fallen schooner you should be thanking :)

[fallen schooner]

oh nice it's all good?

[cunning falcon]

what’s the best 1660 super

that’s relatively cheap

[cosmic frigate]

Cheap or best?

@cunning falcon

[cunning falcon]

best cheap lol

[spice prawn]

i think we have been here before @cosmic frigate

[cunning falcon]

i’m pretty sure gaming x is best but

[spice prawn]

(sorry Iambox)

[cosmic frigate]

I like MSI

That was going to be one of my next upgrades but the 5600 XT came out

[cunning falcon]

wait have i asked before lol

gaming x comes with rgb i mean ifykyk

[cosmic frigate]

Yeah.

[cunning falcon]

i’ve asked? damn my memory sucks

gotta get some new ones

wait no i haven’t

[cosmic frigate]

As long as it cools enough and boosts and sticks to the rated speeds they should all be the same within 3-5 frames

At most

Otherwise exact

[cunning falcon]

how would i know that

like i’ve been told asus tuf sucks cause of like some heatsink thing

but besides that i have no idea between a evga sc ultra, gaming oc, asus dual evo,

[cosmic frigate]

You just have to research defects and stuff. @cunning falcon

[cunning falcon]

i guess i'll just pick evga sc ultra cause it's the cheapest lol

cause everything techincally can come with defects

and if evga does i know they have a good customer service

or at least from what i've heard

[cosmic frigate]

EVGA is a good quality and dependablity

[cunning falcon]

probably my pick

kinda frustrated rn but this channel ain't the right place

[cosmic frigate]

Oh

[tiny fable]

Quick question are benchmarks realistic to actual gameplay on laptops?

Frame wise

[spice prawn]

yes, but you have to understand/keep-in-mind the context that those numbers are observed

does that make sense? @tiny fable

[tiny fable]

Yeah like the settings are all the same to achieve the benchmarks right?

[spice prawn]

that is one part

but in laptops you are always looking at a thermally constrained enviroment

imagine taking a big desktop GPU and removing 3/4 of the heatsink

it is going to have some real trouble with cooling, very quickly

so the specific designs of a given laptop matter a LOT

hence: if laptop A with GPU 1 gives you 60 frames

that does not mean Laptop B with GPU 1 will give you 60 frames

make sense?

[tiny fable]

I’m processing this rn hold up 😂

I’m new to PC and got my first laptop 2 months ago trying to learn

Wait nvm I get it just made differently

[spice prawn]

:)

[tiny fable]

If it’s running like 30frame difference could it be the GPU itself all with the same specs I mean I think that’s like a significant number

[spice prawn]

aye, a 30 frame difference could easily be GPU related

[feral nexus]

thinking of getting this graphics card

https://www.sabrepc.com/3ME26AA-HP-S1715986?gclid=Cj0KCQiAm4TyBRDgARIsAOU75sqG9d5r1kRpRkMAVa-k-A-X00nZEfiJmQbYUvjhF25BlVqCAUbe6ugaAlLDEALw_wcB

thots?

[tiny fable]

Because I’m running a game at 70FPS avg 75max but the bench mark is 90FPS RTX2070

[spice prawn]

@feral nexus that i have some sand you can get for a low low bargain of 5 thousand

[feral nexus]

where?

[hexed forge]

i think he was making a joke that you're over paying lol

[spice prawn]

@tiny fable the machine that is producing the 90 frames: If following the above (earlier) example. We could consider Laptop 1

your machine (laptop 2) has a different cooling system. So you are getting less frames

does that make sense or am i just confusing you ?

@hexed forge more that a barrel of sand is more productive for his use

[hexed forge]

lol what is the point of those gpus?

[spice prawn]

its HPC parts

look up DGX-1 and DGX station @hexed forge :)

[tiny fable]

@spice prawn makes sense 😦

Thank you @spice prawn !

[spice prawn]

okay :) and yes, that is not that great news for you

you are very welcome :)

best bet to figure out what exact performance you should expect, is to look at your EXACT model of laptop when looking for scores :)

[night mica]

I wanna ask some questions about Radeon cards. I see them a lot as an alternative to nvidia (I think) but I just don’t know anything about them. Is there any reason to buy one instead of nvidia other than price difference? Are they even any good?

[spice prawn]

if you want convenience in regards to streaming, they are preferred

if you want value at a given price point, they are competitive

[cunning falcon]

is a 5500xt equivalent to a 1660?

in terms of pricing 5500xt is amazing, but i'm not sure about price to performance

cause right now, i'm over budget and if i can't get enough money to continue with it, i'll need to go from 1660 super to 5500xt

[wet temple]

5500xt is closer to a 1650 super, i believe

[gray vapor]

8gb 5500 XT is on par with the 1650 Super

[cold stream]

oof

[karmic solar]

The 5700xt is supposed to be what, a 2070?

[hexed forge]

roughly, yes.

[night mica]

What’s the general consensus on the 1660 ti? Is there something similar price wise that just totally overshadows it or is it actually a decent card

[brisk flame]

1660 super is better for the price

its much cheaper, and performs close enough

[night mica]

Good to know. Thanks

[ancient crystal]

it boggles the mind that people can get on the internet without computers

like someone can never have a PC and still be internet savvy

[cyan vault]

@ancient crystal lol me rn

[karmic solar]

Yeah it's called a phone @ancient crystal

[ancient crystal]

no but when i was a teenager phones had buttons on them and very simplistic green backlit LCDs

so to me like a phone being one's lifeline to the internet is a new thing

it's been in the span of maybe 8 years that a phone has been reliable as your main internet device

8 years is nothing to me

well not even 8 years

if you're talking about average people phones and not rich people phones it's like 3-4 years

i used to text people on a 2-line graphical display, if someone handed me a nokia 5190(EU: 5110) and told me it could be my phone forever i would probably take it

[austere badger]

Should i get the 2070 over the super assuming it's 100usd cheaper?

[spare relic]

I still can't rely on a mobile OS to bring full featured internet access

[mossy pelican]

Y'all remember when the commercials for the BlackBerry came out

[fallow temple]

Is there anyone that can explain bios flashing, referring to the 5700 xt

[spice prawn]

the 5700xt is the top of their current lineup, so... what are you going to flash onto it?

[granite juniper]

Radeon 7

Flash that extra 8gb of vram

[lone pond]

Hey I have a question so I have an rx 5700 xt ROG Strix but i am having trouble when i play games like Border lands 3 i have stuttering during gameplay and after a couple minutes my pc will completely crash what should i do for this?

[round mason]

the classic amd drivers

[ember imp]

Isn’t the ROG Strix the version that has the thermal issues

[lone pond]

i have warranty would it be better just to return it and get something else?

[round mason]

if you dont want to do the diagnosis then sure return it

[lone pond]

but is it the same with all the other variants?

[round mason]

nothing is ever truly the same. Your 5700xt might be deffective or that its the Rog strix problem or its an amd driver problem.

[lone pond]

hmmmm alright then well thank you then

[round mason]

i dont want to sound like an nvidia fan boy but amd gpus have been having miriads of problems with their new line-ups

[lone pond]

yea its all good i have read other articles of the same i just thought that i might find a solution here

[round mason]

👍 hopefully you get your sys up and running soon with whichever solution you choose

[lone pond]

alright then cool thank you

[granite juniper]

yeah its a driver issue

[grizzled nimbus]

cheapest gpu for borderlands2 on med 1600x900 60 fps?

[cunning falcon]

what’s a good gpu under $200

used works as well

was thinking new 1660super or used 1070ti but i’d like other suggestions more budget oriented and friendly

i have a 2600x btw

[granite juniper]

1070 ti wouln't probably be under 200, i'd say 200-220, but 1070 should be 170-190 for a good price

[ancient crystal]

driver issues are not always the problem with AMD GPUs

[dreamy dragon]

SashaK#7280 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ancient crystal]

oops

a lot of it is the manufacturers doing a bad job making hardware

and not to the specs of the driver

a lot of times you'll have one brand of the same GPU working totally differently from another

XFX had their THICC cards that were an absolute disaster

the powercolor red dragon 5600 XT behaved poorly for reasons of the hardware manufacturer making mistakes

[stiff zodiac]

@ancient crystal yeah nvidia have bugs too 😦 amd driver bugs shaming XD

[ancient crystal]

lots of stuff happens

[grizzled nimbus]

gt 740 2gb ddr3 sc for fallout nv, bl2, and cod bo1, and cod waw would that be a fine gpu for med settings at 900p 60fps??

[stiff zodiac]

no

[grizzled nimbus]

whats the most demanding game there

bl2 most likely

[cunning falcon]

what is a 1070ti equivalent to

a 2060?

1660ti?

[lone pond]

Probably closer to 2060 than a 1660ti

[shrewd zenith]

hey everyone, what is the quietest/fastest RX 580 card on the market?

[cyan vault]

@shrewd zenith depends on budget

[shrewd zenith]

$300 canadian

[gray vapor]

If your budget is 300 for a GPU why not go with a 1660 Super since the performance would be a lot lot better

[cyan vault]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KFzkcf/powercolor-radeon-rx-590-8-gb-red-dragon-video-card-axrx-590-8gbd5-dhd

Or a 590

[gray vapor]

590 is slightly weaker than my 1660 non super

[cyan vault]

True

[shrewd zenith]

590 is faster than the 580 no?

[cyan vault]

Yes

If going for amd get 590

[gray vapor]

590 is pretty much a higher overclocked 580

[cyan vault]

But nvidia has better cards at that price

[shrewd zenith]

https://www.amazon.ca/XFX-RX-590P8DFD6-Radeon-1580MHz-Graphic/dp/B07JQDKNXS/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=rx+590&qid=1581521891&sr=8-2

this one? or is there a betetr card that performs just as well at a lower price point?

[gray vapor]

That is too much for a 590

[shrewd zenith]

its Canadian

[verbal cairn]

I’m not sure there are any 1660 supers for less than 300 CAD except the single fan Asus one on PCPP

[gray vapor]

yes it is too much for a 590

[verbal cairn]

It would still be better than a 580

[gray vapor]

Id pay the little bit extra for the EVGA one like this https://www.newegg.ca/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-super-06g-p4-1068-kr/p/N82E16814487479

He also was talking about a quiet card and that Asus is anything but quiet

[verbal cairn]

Oh my bad

[gray vapor]

@shrewd zenith On Kijiji you can find 1660's for cheap as well

This is just an example for Kijiji in my area https://i.gyazo.com/52dd9ed9a78f52c62daccbf2669d7d71.png

@cyan vault would you pay 225$ for that (and i converted the 300$ to USD)

[cyan vault]

Lol no

[gray vapor]

It is a 1660 Ti

slightly better than a super and isn't 225$ like the normal price for a super?

[shrewd zenith]

thank you all for your great advice!

have a kickass day!

[rigid crag]

What do you think is the best upgrade to a gtx 1060 6gb around 300 bucks

[cyan vault]

@rigid crag 5600 XT

2060

[rigid crag]

How big of a difference is there. Is it worth the upgrade

[cyan vault]

If youre happy with what you have, no point

If you want more, yes

[rigid crag]

K

[shrewd zenith]

I would never got a used card

basically, I am looking to upgrade my current windforce 280x OC

but, my onboard memory is DDR3 2x8 gigs

and my max monitor resolution is 1920x1080

amd fx 8350 CPU, so a super high end card would bottle neck

[devout pawn]

You might want to consider upgrading your cpu, mobo, and ram first

[lone pond]

So if anyone wants to get the AMD 5700XT, let me just stop you right there and tell you to not do that. Great Cards, but the Driver Updates suck.

[balmy cairn]

Is there not a way to get past the drivers? A friend of mine encountered crashing when trying to update the 5700XT drivers from AMD

[cyan vault]

I have one

[random moat]

Will summer 2020 give me a good reason to upgrade from my gtx 1080 for $500?

[ember imp]

I have a 5700XT. Latest 2020 drivers suck. I downgraded to the latest adrenaline 2019 version 19.12.1. It’s far more stable. Still not completely perfect I still get crashes but much better

[round mason]

https://youtu.be/_x-QSi_yvoU

[zenith orchid]

My graphics card won’t turn on. I have tried both pcie slots and the rest of the computer works is there anything I could be doing wrong?

It won’t go in any farther but is that too much space?

[round mason]

Why arent you using the first slot? @zenith orchid

[zenith orchid]

Tried it and did not work

[round mason]

Define not work. You arent booting with a video signal?

[zenith orchid]

Second one won’t work either is the graphics card just a dud?

No fan

Fan wont work and I don’t think the graphics card outputs

[round mason]

You dont think? So you plugged your gpu to your monitor by hdmi or whatever and tried to turn it on?

No fan doesnt mean your gpu isnt working

[zenith orchid]

Ok it can boot up

[round mason]

Then theres nothing wrong

[zenith orchid]

Ok thanks

[round mason]

[zenith orchid]

Is there a reason why it would not work on top slot?

Nvm got it to work any ideas on how to get the fan going?

[round mason]

the fan will work when the temp ramps up

[zenith orchid]

Ok thanks

[round mason]

you can manually set your own fan curve too in msi afterburner

[wet temple]

yeah

[heady jolt]

so the zotac 980ti amp omega and zotac 980ti amp are different sizes - height, and thickness - also different power connections...imma need 2 flex birdges instead of my nice single HB SLI bridge...

[mild otter]

So, I'm thinking about getting an RX 570 (if it sucks then i'm ok with it, it's better than my brother's graphics card) but I need to know if I should buy the one all the way at the bottom ($113.99) or save up more money for buying it straight ($139.99)?

[wicked hound]

$140 for a 570 is a bad deal. Just get a $160 1650 Super at that point

[round mason]

^

[mild otter]

well, it's something i won't have to save up for long for.

[round mason]

honestly the difference is so negligible that no matter what choice you decide in it wont be a wrong one.

[mild otter]

bruh
b i g g e s t

b r a i n

[mild otter]

Well, it comes with an XBOX game pass (value of $30) if i buy it for $140.

for free, btw

[round mason]

alot of em come with the pass from varying prices. Honestly i could go deep into the difference in fan setup, manufacturers reliability, etc. but its literally just $20~ difference. Not worth stressing over it

[mild otter]

well i mean i don't even use XBOX i have a playstation4 what is the point?

[round mason]

xbox game pass can be used on windows to have access to their game library

i used the pass to be able to play and finish metro exodus without paying a single cent cause i got the pass for free when buying my amd processor

[mild otter]

wow

cool

maybe i will buy the $140 then

[spice prawn]

there are a bunch of good games on there

[mild otter]

is it permanent?

[spice prawn]

no

[mild otter]

how long does it last

[spice prawn]

iirc, its a 3 month pass

it should say on the retailer page

[mild otter]

it says it has an expiration date for redeeming but it doesn't say anything about an ending date for the subscription itself

[spice prawn]

because you can keep it going IF you input your creditcard and pay for it

[mild otter]

ahh

[round mason]

oh and btw you cant play multiplayer with other people if they have the game on steam and you play using xbox game pass @mild otter

[spice prawn]

@round mason is that one not game specific?

[round mason]

honestly im not too sure about that. Ik It doesnt work for ark and i was reading a forum saying it being a general thing for other games

[spice prawn]

fair enough :) i have no idea about it at all :)

[mild otter]

niiiice

[rocky cargo]

What do thou think of thy 2060 ultra

By evga

[mild otter]

send a pic

[round mason]

Was never fond of the evga carda aesthetics but aside from that its a great card

[spice prawn]

@round mason you mean the 1 fan setup or the 2 fan - clear shroud one?

[round mason]

The 2 fan

[lone pond]

hey has anyone attempted to put a waterblock backplate on a noprmal cooler

i have an evga card that has a cold plate so i think it ll work

[round mason]

Like replacibg the fans with a block?

[raven kestrel]

hey i got a question i would like your opinions would you say a msi gaming x 2070s or a msi gaming x tri 2080 the 2070 is 100 less idk the gap between the performance

[autumn harbor]

If u can afford 2080 then go for it without hesitation

[round mason]

the 2070S is the best value of the super lineup. 2080 and 2070S are pretty much almost the same performance but id agree wit ^

[lone pond]

@round mason no like just use the stock heatsinks cooler but replace the stock backplate

[magic pebble]

the 2080 and 2070s are similar, but there are situations where the 2080 will always win. if prices are similar go with the 2080.

the only advantage of getting a 2070s is that you are guaranteed to not have to deal with the micron memory failure issue that was only a problem on a small amount of the initial release of rtx cards. I would be surprised if any of those are still out in the wild on store shelves.

[shrewd zenith]

https://www.genericcomputer.com/prod_one.php?pid=12159

is that a good deal?

[verbal cairn]

hell nah

that's 1660 super price range

which is considerably better than a rx 580

[shrewd zenith]

the 1660 super has 2 gigs of ram less

this one is 8, the super is 6

[cyan vault]

And?

The 1660 super is better

[gray vapor]

AMD pretty much needed the extra 2gb just to perform similar to Nvidia's 6gb cards (and referring to the 10xx series)

[magic pebble]

the amount of ram has nothing to do with performance unless you fill the frame buffer

and an rx580 is either equal or will outperform any 1060 card in dx12 or vulkan in most games. dx11 the 1060 6gb will win most of the time.
The 1660 cards will vary depending on the model but the 1660 super and 1660ti are absolutely better cards than the rx580. the normal 1660 vs rx580 the 1660 is still the better card, but at that point I would start to argue price to performance and that you should just save a few more dollars and get a super or ti.

[shrewd zenith]

LOL never mind

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER is the clear winner

[magic pebble]

The biggest thing to remember is that unless you are gaming at 1440p with maxed out settings in a handful of games you will never get close to filling 6gb. 4k you could have issues in something like Control with everything maxed, but your fps would already be so low its unplayable at 4k. The only game I have seen come close to maxing 8gb at 1440p on my 2080 were rise of the tomb raider with everything maxed went right around 6gb and red dead redemption 2 with everything maxed went to just under 7gb.

Even then those numbers are not necessarily accurate because I think it was Gamers Nexus that showed that either the amount of vram used will increase in some games even if the game isn't actually using that much ram. and having less ram can provide the same performance. A 4gb rx 580 might not lose any performance vs an 8gb rx580 even though something like gpuz reports more than 4gb of vram being used on the 8gb card.

[round mason]

@lone pond there is no point in doing that. You arent cooling any components even if you could do that

[lone pond]

@round mason it's purely cosmetic

[cyan vault]

But its a lot of work.....

[lone pond]

The stock evga rtx backplate is hideous

It's not bad

[cyan vault]

Then buy a custom one and replace it

Unless thats what your saying

[lone pond]

That's what I'm doing

[cyan vault]

Oh yeah totally

[lone pond]

Plus the evga cards you dont void any warranties

[round mason]

then why a waterblock

why not just get a normal customized backplate

[lone pond]

I want a mirrored finish backplate

[round mason]

ah i see then go for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uynVO4ZXl0&t=317s

[river wadi]

Hey so I am looking at graphics cards and I was wondering if an evga 1660 6gb sc ultra for 200 hundred dollars would be a good deal

[granite juniper]

I’d go for a 1660 super for a little more

[mild otter]

i decided i'mma buy the RX 570 for $140 because it come with the XBOX gamepass, but i'll need to save up... mmm about $160 because my mom says i need to save up more than i'll need so if there's anything I need to pay after i buy it then I'll have some extra cash

[round mason]

coolios

[wet temple]

just out of curiosity , how does the 1660ti peform at 1440p/1080p high-refresh

[wicked hound]

1440p is kinda sucky at decent settings. 1080p it'll probably average 100~ fps on high/ultra, I think

[wet temple]

aight

how sucky at 1440

[granite juniper]

on high i'd say 40-60 on most games, maybe 30-45 on more demanding games

huh not that bad https://www.techspot.com/review/1797-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-ti/

[zenith orchid]

Is the graphics supposed to sag a little when plugged in or is the pcie slot broken. I have to lift it up a little to screw in

[spice prawn]

normal

why most assembly work is done with the mainboard flat

[zenith orchid]

Ok thanks

I assembled my pc yesterday and it took tons of try’s reinstallling the graphics to work. I ended it up to get it to work but overnight it stopped working again. Is it more likely to be the motherboard or gpu causing it?

[opaque badge]

never had this problem and I've assembled about 1pc's all with used parts. unless you have an extremely beefy card like a gigabyte windforce Xtreme or asus strix your graphics card shouldn'

be not working if it is saging. sounds like your pcie slot or the graphics card pcie male adapter is damaged.

try installing it in another pci-e lane if your mother board allows it. if you that works and the secondary slot had the same amount of bandwidth there is nothing wrong with leaving it in a lower slot. That is if you don't want to RMA the board.

[zenith orchid]

Lower one has same problem

[spice prawn]

@zenith orchid take a picture

[wispy stone]

When I was GPU shopping this December, my sorta-budget was to stay under $500.
I was indeed prospecting 5700XT, 2060, 2060 super, and 2070.
I ended up getting the 2060 Super. I simply didn't want to risk being another person dealing with AMD drivers or black screen issues or whatever... and seemed like the best value in terms of cost to performance on Nvidia's line up

If it last me 3 years without seeming outdated, then I think I'd happy

Previously I was on an MSI "gaming" laptop w/ 60hz screen

going from that to having a 2060super and coupled with (2) 240hz g-sync monitors... the jump was quite dramatic in terms of visual quality

At first you really don't notice the diff between ~240fps and ~144 fps, but after actually playing for a more prolong period of time, I notice I seem to hit my shots better on high frame rare.

[round mason]

@opaque badge i have the gigabyte windforce but i have no sag

[wispy stone]

Best way I can describe the difference between 144 to 240 fps is this: The actual motions/movements both seem smooth, but on high fps I feel like time moves slower, like everything goes in slow motion

[round mason]

@zenith orchid a quick fix for it is to buy a gpu brace https://www.amazon.ca/Graphics-Support-Holder-custom-Gaming/dp/B01DQK7DDW

[vestal matrix]

So today I was trying to continue setting up my oculus rift s, and I decided to update my gpu drivers to see if that was why it wasn’t working. So I updated them, restarted my computer, and now it won’t turn on. The computer starts, but my monitors say no signal or input not supported. Any help?

[stiff zodiac]

sad

[misty field]

Anyone got experience with asus RMA process?

[zenith orchid]

Does this look installed right? It won’t turn on

[lone pond]

is that as high as it can go on the motherboard?

@zenith orchid

[light schooner]

Nice power color

[zenith orchid]

I already tried the first slot but it also did not work

[light schooner]

Oof broken mobo?

Or is it the legendary amd driver broken agian

[zenith orchid]

I built yesterday and after moving it a lot it turned on and I could download windows but overnight it stopped working again

[light schooner]

Power surge maybe

Hummm have you tried a hard reboot?

Or a power cycle

[zenith orchid]

Yeah

[light schooner]

Have you tried taking it apart and putting it back together

This happend to me once and this worked

[zenith orchid]

I have unplugged and replugged and tried all the pcies

[light schooner]

Humm what card?

[zenith orchid]

Power color red dragon 5700

[light schooner]

Hummmm what psu and mobo?

[zenith orchid]

The gpu is getting hot so the power supply is working I guess

[light schooner]

Hummm I would send that mobo back and get a replacement the psu is a good one is it 80+

Also the psu could have shorted that first dlot

Slot*

[zenith orchid]

Ok thanks

[lucid whale]

ok peepuls

[light schooner]

........

[lucid whale]

i found a 1070ti ftw2, for $210. there's no box, and it was only used for a year, was never oc'ed, and looks to be in great condition

do i go for it

still has a factory 2 year on it

[light schooner]

Hummm

Idk man could be a faulty card

Or he could say it's a 1070ti and it be a 1060

[lucid whale]

he said he upgraded to a 2080 and had no use for it anymore, and was happy to take pictures

the card says 1070 ti on it

[light schooner]

Only get it if he says you can get your money back if he says no then dont do it

[lucid whale]

ok

[lone pond]

is the 1650 a disappointment? msi gaming x 1650 i mean.

[light schooner]

Yes

[gray vapor]

All non super 1650 is a disappointment

[light schooner]

All 1650 are bad go for a 1660s

[brisk flame]

No, 1650 good for systems with no pcie power cables

[rigid crag]

I saw a 1660 super for 220. Looking kinda fresh ngl

[gray vapor]

But there is a lot of systems now i have seen that has like a 350w to 400w PSU that has a 6 pin included

[cyan vault]

Any suggestions on how to make this look better? Its like, a splitter for 2

[wicked hound]

Best looks is to just not use a splitter, two individual cables

[cyan vault]

No

Its the cable that came with

[wicked hound]

It came with the GPU?

[cyan vault]

Psu

Phanteks amp

Are there other cables maybe

[wicked hound]

probably

[granite juniper]

@lucid whale I got my strix 1070 ti for $226 it’s not a super sketchy price, I’d go for it if you’re looking at a card in that budget

[wicked hound]

There are two cables, but both have two connectors

for AMP 650w

[cyan vault]

Hmmmm

[wicked hound]

So you can either keep it how it is, or use both cables and try to hide the one connector on each of the cables

fold the connector inside to where ever the cable is folded towards

[cyan vault]

Ill see

[coarse bison]

My 1080 arrived in the mail today

[wet temple]

gg

[lone pond]

1070 ti or 1660. Building my buddy a pc and he can't make a descion I'm partial to 1070ti but he is being picky lol.

[gray vapor]

1070 Ti would out perform the 1660 but a lot

[lone pond]

That's what I was telling him. But he wants to point out it's older haha

[ember imp]

If your buddy is willing to go used the you can get a 1070ti for around the same as a 1660S and it’s way better