no/yes/maybe
#graphics-cards
spice prawn
is the simple answer @still merlin
and i am not joking about that
its a complex as all heck question to answer
still merlin
guess it depends more on the situation game or what ever
spice prawn
aye
also, keep in mind, the 2400g, while it does have the 2000 series name, it is using a 1000 series core
still merlin
more so i think id be bottlenecking if i went to stream maybe and play a game
spice prawn
that would not help
tired swan
How much do those parts go for used?
still merlin
well im canadian so things are more here
spice prawn
a 2600x/2700 is also an option @still merlin
still merlin
i thinking about that
spice prawn
but again, mainboard compatibility needs to be checked.
could you list your mainboard model please?
then we can get an answer for that sorted rightaway
spice prawn
aye, 2sec
still merlin
So that only works with amd I believe
spice prawn
aye.
still merlin
Which is fine
spice prawn
and with the right bios, it supports it all (first, second and third gen)
just checked their page
still merlin
so looks like im good for the board at least
spice prawn
aye
runic finch
i got the xfx 580 RX 8 gb and its a beast
still merlin
damn i completely missed out on that, when did that thing come out
spice prawn
a long time ago
tired swan
580s came out in like 2017 right?
spice prawn
aye, april
still merlin
damn i was a potato for grabing this 1050
gilded hawk
How long will my 1070ti last
I'm thinking of upgrading but I'm sure i can get more out of it
I'mma waiting on next gen
runic finch
mine came out on oct 29 2019
still merlin
like the rumored 3000 series for nvidia or something is that what you mean by next gen
or the 2000 series that currently out?
abstract monolith
@gilded hawk if you absolutely need to upgrade your gpu, id wait otherwise its a good card.
shadow storm
So question to the wise.. do you think my 2070 super wont work cuz my mobo needs updated? It's been over a year since I put it in. My vega 64 works but the 20 makes my comp super duper slow
Everything is compatable
Any help would be awesome I've done a lot of clean wipes and back n forth card swaps. Tried it on buddy's pc and it works.. he just built his months ago so I'm wondering if it's a bios update or something like that
Hes out of town and I dont have the card back yet
Just trying to see if anyone has had this problem before
spice prawn
what is your psu @shadow storm
shadow storm
2600x
Oh sorry lol
750 evga full mod gold
X370 gaming pro carbon msi
16gb 3000
shadow storm
Yes I was with a tech even
Installed it 3 times
Vega64 worked everytime
Would mobo bios keep it from working right?
spice prawn
in theory, no
shadow storm
Bump
Hes gonna attempt it again soon I hope but I was trying to find that Haha moment while I wait for the card to return
Hes also gonna bring his 1080ti to try
Just tired of the hot n hungry vega
That card has a temper
proper timber
Hello guys
Im having a confusion to choose between rx 5600xt or rtx 2060
They both are meerly same
hexed forge
does anyone know why there would be a yellow LED lit under the fan closest to video out ports on a evga 970 acx2.0? cant find anything on it ._.
idk if its normal or not
tired swan
@proper timber I would try to reach for the 5700 but between those 2 it really depends on who you ask. I think right now I think the 5600 has a few issues but if you wait a bit they might be patched out, but the 5600 does perform better so it's up to you
proper timber
Okay
vestal grail
Debating doing this . I have a Radeon 5700. Was told to flash the bios to a 5700 XT. At the moment i am already having heating problems with the card. Even with a fan curve. So if i was to flash it. considering the voltage and every thing else that would go up with it. Would it safe to do that ?
stiff zodiac
dont do it 🙂
keen brook
I have the 5700 XT and i am having problems with it crashing when i run a game and the raedon software on my second monitor.
runs perfect until i open the raedon software to monitor temps then it crashes and i have audio and both monitors are black. anybody help?
midnight elk
based on what I’ve read on reddit and other sites, the best way to fix your issue is by either reverting to a 19.1.12 or some other stable adrenaline software version
smoky wyvern
@sinful bobcati think there is a bot that is trying to scam / do bad things its @lone pond
it just msged i won and wants me to click a link xd
sinful bobcat
Yeah. Just saw this thanks for the heads up
smoky wyvern
np dude
karmic solar
Should I go with the 5600xt for a new system if I'm waiting for the 3000s to come out?
tired swan
3000s are rumored to come out around fall so it's up to you how long you are willing to have that level of performance
In my opinion I would get all the other parts and just get like a 570 or a 1650 super and play at 1080p, even if you get a 1440p monitor, just so you can save some money and still play at 60+ fps
But that's just me
karmic solar
Well the system is built as basically a no hold back except on the GPU, since why spend big (as in like a 2080S) if there's gonna be an improvement coming
tired swan
Ya that's what I figured if a 5600 was a placeholder
But I guess if you have that kind of money go for it
spice prawn
@karmic solar consider this: the money you potentially save on that gpu (the placeholder one) could be saved and used for something else [edit: use->be]
tired swan
Ya that's what I was thinking
spice prawn
just to be clear, we are not trying to change your mind @karmic solar, just voicing (hopefully) logical points of info :)
lone pond
sure @spice prawn
also if you were still interested in this discussion @remote sequoia we're in here now
spice prawn
cheers, makes following/answering/talking a bit easier :)
and i do like talking about actual tech instead of memes :)
lone pond
but yeah Vega 10 and Vega 20 are extremely similar but they aren't the exact the same
spice prawn
ofc not, on the implementation level
because glofo14nm and tsmc7nm
and "other" things
lone pond
also just want to mention how much it hurts when i see Vega 64 not even being compared to cards released now
lone pond
even though the Vega 64 can easily trade blows with a 1080/2070
though i will say
i wish i just got a Vega 56 and overclocked the hell out of it
spice prawn
it was close to impossible to touch pricewise at launch
as in, pricing was silly here
here=denmark
but yes, it was and IS a nice card
lone pond
it basically had two phases, but people only talk about the second phase
that being price explosion
spice prawn
aye, i remember
lone pond
but phase 1 was "prices are the same but nothing is in stock"
i got my vega 64 during phase 1
spice prawn
heh :)
lone pond
so i got it at MSRP
spice prawn
that is lucky
lone pond
but the downside was I ended up with a blower model
so imagine how hot vega gets, now throw in only one fan
spice prawn
the city i live in has the headquarters of one of the really big e-shops here
granite juniper
slap an aftermarket cooler on that boy
spice prawn
with their storage facility.
lone pond
i'm scared of breaking things @granite juniper
granite juniper
o
spice prawn
in theory that should make things simple
aside from the detail that most of the technicians out there, had their own rented space with gpu's
lone pond
besides, i just take my fan tuning and set it to 5000RPM the moment it hits 65C
spice prawn
meaning, of every 10 gpu's that arrived at the company, they bought roughly 9 of them
granite juniper
my fan speed is 25% at 65c 
granite juniper
but this is my low overclocked profile
so it only hits like 75c under load at 30-40% fan speed
still steeple
karmic solar
dense flicker
gray vapor
You people and your VHS lol
obsidian vine
Which would y’all go with. Rx 5600 xt or rtx 2060. I’ve watched a few comparison videos but am still undecided since they are so close
This is for my brothers pc so no streaming
Also for the record how good is the reference 2060
stiff zodiac
thats unfair treatment wheres 😦 vega VII or rx 5700xt emoji
spare relic
I'm guessing it would be better to get a 2060 Super or the 5600 xt
Instead of the non soup
;o
Team green sidekick GPU when
stiff zodiac
sad
obsidian vine
2060 and 5600xt are the best I can go
But just trying to figure out which is the better value for money
stiff zodiac
the one you can afford
obsidian vine
They both pretty much the same price tho
stiff zodiac
choose whats on your heart 🙂
obsidian vine
2060 then. Since amd can’t seem to get a grip on drivers
light schooner
vague surge
Both are same in terms of price to performance so just choose what you really want... nvidia does have stable drivers compared to amd. My two cents
ancient crystal
AMD driver FUD should not be spread
AMD has had a few drivers that aren't good since back in the mid to late 2000s when it was really bad
and even then it isn't that they aren't good for everyone, it's usually a subset of people who have problems
mortal panther
Hey all, Is the 2060 super really worth the extra money over the normal 2060?
spice prawn
@mortal panther consider this: the 2060super is basically a 2070
and a 2070 super is basically a 2080
mortal panther
makes sense, but do you feel it is worth the extra cash?
spice prawn
if you want that level of performance? yes
mortal panther
thanks for input.
smoky phoenix
Hey all, just a couple of quick questions. I built my rig in october 2017 (r7 1700, rx580, meshify c, 32gb ram 2400mHz OC to 2667) and I have recently caught the upgrade bug hard. I am upgrading from my semi-modular 500watt PS to an evga G3 750 and I was wondering if I should bite the bullet and upgrade from the rx580.
Should I get a 5700XT or wait for the newer card AMD will be releasing this year? Or should I just upgrade to a vega 64?
My monitor is an Asus MG248Q (1080p 144hz) which I dont plan on upgrading for a little while
spice prawn
do you feel like you are missing performance?
smoky phoenix
@spice prawn not at all. I'm actually extremely optimized for my equipment and games that I play. Mostly R6 siege but I just have that urge.
spice prawn
perhaps look into something like a good ssd (if you dont have one already)
basically, go for parts that makes you "notice" they have been upgraded
smoky phoenix
thank @spice prawn If I were to go full on upgrade mode, should I get the 5700xt, vega 64, or wait and see how the new AMD card perorms
spice prawn
if you dont "need" the performance "right now". wait.
hardware does not get more expensive in that regard
lone pond
tacit forge
Don't get a vega 64, if you REALLY need a card right now get a 5700xt non-reference. But I recommend waiting until the next set of graphics cards come out from both team read and green. Since both are apparently supposed to have huge improvements and team red will have some new actual genuinely good high end cards.
*come out later this year
karmic solar
I'm just going with a 5600xt till the next gen comes out
tacit forge
^Not a bad idea
karmic solar
No sense in getting a 600 to 800 card if it'll be replaced in a few months
spice prawn
so far, there is only wishful dreaming from the red/green fanboy camps
tacit forge
What kind of specs do you have, in particular cpu and monitor?
Red/green fanboy camps? There is only red or green.
spice prawn
there are also the fans of sanity.
aka those that just look at the performance for a given price.
tacit forge
Honestly since team red's(AMD) debut of ZEN 2, and then budget and mid-range cards. Team blue(Intel) and green(Nvidia) are Finally making competitive decisions, slashing prices and offering more performance for the same or less money. Its good for for any consumer. All the way from budget to high-end builds.
spice prawn
yes, the result is good. the fanboy part is not
tacit forge
Yeah I hate that part too.
spice prawn
performance is not something that involves emotion.
fan-behaviour is emotional
that is what tickles me the wrong way
tacit forge
I prefer amd for many reasons such as compatibility, more cores for processing, and especially price but unless the difference in price or performance is big enough that it makes a noticeable impact. Outside the margin of error. I'll choose amd.
spice prawn
i will chose whatever suits the purpose of the build that is being done the best.
tacit forge
Exactly
gray vapor
GPU wise i would go Nvidia over AMD just because in the recent news the RX 5700 XT is having some issues with people getting black screens when playing a game using HDMI
tacit forge
That's Understandable
gray vapor
The only issue i have ever gotten with Nvidia was a slight performance thing with one of their drivers which the next 2 days they ended up fixing
tacit forge
Yeah, while amd pushes out way more drivers regularly fixing many bugs, nvidia is much more stable.
lone pond
AMD is just not a good option to go with right now like the performance you should pick it for but the driver problems
yeesh
wicked hound
@mortal panther Use to be. Now is eh due to 2060 price drops. 2060 is $300 and 2060S is $400. You dont get a 33% perf boost. Unless you're streaming just get a 5700
gray vapor
299 you mean 😛
wicked hound
oh no, a whole dollar
lone pond
a whole cent
gray vapor
Still would be consider a under 300$ card lol
mortal panther
that one dollar will get ya.
gray vapor
That 1 dollar will get me 3 games on Humble Bundle lol
wicked hound
3 games that most people probably wouldnt play tho
lone pond
it will get you a large hershey bar
cosmic frigate
Or a taco at Taco Bell
gray vapor
Hei you'd be surprised on what people would play
tacit forge
Really when it comes down to it we bought and made our pcs for budget or performance, for example when it comes to gaming. If we wanted simplicity we could just game on consoles. Pc gaming isn't always quick and easy but yes there are time where things are to much of a headache and it is better to buy some thing a bit more expensive or less performance for more stability. Honestly it just depends on how willing you are to tinker.
Also I realize the topic has changed.
cosmic frigate
Yes
tacit forge
I see
cosmic frigate
That is all true though. If you don’t want to tinker you could spend a bit more on something more stable.
gray vapor
These 3 games does have a pretty high rating for it https://i.gyazo.com/5a7728cba122eca1f797d899cbf978bf.png
spice prawn
@tacit forge topics are quite fluid, as long as you have something interesting to say.
tacit forge
Yep
cosmic frigate
It’s not like that came out of the blue as well
gray vapor
Anything can be interesting to say it just depends if there are people interested in the topic
tacit forge
I was already half way through typing it and decided to might as well finish it.
mortal panther
@wicked hound thanks for suggestion. since i'm not all that technical what's the biggest benefit to going 5700 xt over the 2060?
spice prawn
performance @mortal panther
spice prawn
aye
a given build can be condensed down to some fairly simple (on the surface) challenges/problems/questions:
What is the budget? What is the usecase? What are you willing to sacrifice to achieve that?
cosmic frigate
And who’s paying for it lol
spice prawn
that is not something we (people that give advice on builds) have to care about at all
that is for the person asking advice to have fun with
cosmic frigate
Yeah
mortal panther
@spice prawn decided it was time to build a complete desktop s of now I just have a ROG laptop. Budget is about $1200 will have a Ryzen 5 3600 still deciding on all other parts. Figured one place I can spend extra would be graphics card.
spice prawn
pure gaming?
mortal panther
98% some other stuff but mostly gaming yes
mortal panther
machine alone
mortal panther
yeah figured t was enough to make a pc i wont have to worrie about upgrading anytime soon
spice prawn
any preference for case size?
spice prawn
noise matter to you?
spice prawn
performance over visual (of the build itself)?
mortal panther
maybe somewhere in between I still want things to look good but without compromising FPS.
spice prawn
i mean, do you want a rainbow build?
mortal panther
hahaha you mean RGB nah that does nothing for me.
mortal panther
Yes I can add nice colors whenever with RGB strips and stuff
they are USB
astro a50
tacit forge
I think a good base spec to start with is 500gb ssd 2tb hard drive, 16gb of ram, air cooler, Rx 5700xt. Does that sound like a good place to start?
spice prawn
okay, so onboard sound doesnt matter. [edit: spelling]
tacit forge
Nice
mortal panther
@tacit forge kd that exactly what im doing for my SSD and hard drive.
spice prawn
might i suggest something a bit different?
mortal panther
yeah of im always open to suggestions
tacit forge
I think that's a good place to start. What are you thinking.
tacit forge
I like it, yeah I think we should drop the 1tb of nvme to 256, and rest hard drive with 256 mb cache.
mortal panther
ram you picked was exactly what I had decided on. Yeah I could go with just the 1TB m.2 can always grab an extra 1tb HDD if spae becomes issue
spice prawn
256 is too low imo
and the 1tb choice is done for that exact reason @mortal panther
it is a quick 2 min job to add a hdd later on
mortal panther
very true
tacit forge
Depends what he's playing. But yeah I have to agree.
spice prawn
remember, 256 would be OS + some games
tacit forge
I'm actually upgrading to a 1tb nvme soon.
mortal panther
going to be playing things like destiny 2, cyberpunk, tarkov maybe some BR's.
dreamy dragonBOT
Hold my beer29#1484 has been warned
mortal panther
hahahaha I tred to post that im taxed a lot in my state but with a bad word apperanlty
spice prawn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3YWNgJ <- slightly different take
more ram, less storage
cosmic frigate
Ok
spice prawn
oh, that reminds me, do you need wifi?
tacit forge
Do you think you could run ethernet to your PC?
mortal panther
I will most likely have it right next to my access point so can skip WIFI for now
spice prawn
hm
there is another option
that is with wifi
main downside to that last board is the fairly spartan IO on the backplate
tacit forge
For Windows you can make a boot drive using a thumb drive and windows 10 installer from their website.
spice prawn
@tacit forge what brought on that comment?
mortal panther
my guess is to save room on SSD
spice prawn
nope
tacit forge
Just when he needs to get windows installed.
spice prawn
okay, if the sequence makes sense to you, then all is good @tacit forge :)
wicked hound
Also wasnt the TUF suppose to have a good audio chip, which is why you usually use it compared to the other boards? ACL887 VD2 (TUF) vs ACL892 (other boars, tomahawk included)
Im no audio expert but I'd assume the chip names would make a bit of sense with their naming scheme?
tacit forge
My bad should have made it clearer. Just adding making more room in the budget.
spice prawn
@wicked hound not that TUF
acoustic narwhal
is it entirely normal for a rtx 2070 to boost up to around 1900~ mhz without any overclocking
spice prawn
@wicked hound also, for this build, the soundchip doesnt matter.
mortal panther
thanks all for suggestions i really do appreciate it, once I get it built I will share it with everyone but that wont be for some time buying parts slowly.
wicked hound
Well it was more as a why use that TUF, as the only good thing about it I thought I knew was the soundchip
spice prawn
@wicked hound mainly as a "decent" start.
the last list is the most serious of any of them :)
mortal panther
@spice prawn thanks dude very helpful.
spice prawn
you are very welcome @mortal panther
tacit forge
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 this should be the website where you can download the software to make a bootable drive for Windows(im on my phone I can't see). Once you have your PC built. Good luck @mortal panther
mortal panther
yes that is the correct link, thanks dude!
tough willow
I have a UHD 620, save me from the no graphics card disease
tired swan
are you looking to buy a gpu?
i think vega 3 graphics are better than UHD 630 so pretty much anything will be an upgrade
i watched a video of the i9 9900k compared to the athlon 3000g and im pretty sure the athlon won in terms of fps in games
but not sure if im remembering correctly, or maybe the video was just wrong it was a bit ago
unreal elk
So im building a pc for the first time with a ryzen 3700x 7 around the budget of $1200. I dont know if i should head out with RTX 2060 super that is like $400 which is in my budget or risk it and add another $100 for the 2070 super. Is it good bad? Would aim for streaming/vr ready. The AMD 5700 xt is my other option but encoders is the part that damages streaming.
lone pond
with a ryzen 7 3700X you can just do CPU encoding dude
unreal elk
Sorta but not rgb
unreal elk
Some review's on 5700xt when streaming twitch states it often crashes or black screen but im not fully sure
@dense flicker if your trying to find parts, i already got some of them
unreal elk
3700x Ryzen 7 meshify c dark tg b450 tomohawk max ripjaw 3600 mhz C16 seagate 2tb evo 860 500gb
spice prawn
by got, do you mean purchased?
unreal elk
Purchased
dense flicker
are you looking for the rest of the parts to equal $1200?
spice prawn
shame
unreal elk
They were on sale on microcenter lol
spice prawn
i hope you save a good amount on the mainboard
unreal elk
Well i could make the budget go 1300 but ill stick around 1200
dense flicker
how much ram
unreal elk
16gb
dense flicker
2x8?
unreal elk
2x
unreal elk
Want me to link pcpart?
spice prawn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vwvTzN <- so that?
dense flicker
yeah
spice prawn
aside from ssd and gpu ofc
unreal elk
I already have the storage here imma just dm you both the link in too low level
dense flicker
ah, forgot about that
unreal elk
The graphic card im still deciding
spice prawn
the psu has not been purchased yet right?
unreal elk
Im still looking for a gold plus
dense flicker
but i squeezed a 2070
spice prawn
zack the ninja
there is this option for case https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fPzkcf/fractal-design-meshify-c-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko
85 usd
unreal elk
Huh i did not knew there more options for rtx 2070 when the nvidia website showed only 3
dense flicker
best not to shop on the nvidia site lol
always go newegg, they have the best selection
their search filters are nice
spice prawn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tPkFK4 <- a suggestion
pay the 10 extra for the 2070 super
instead of the 2070
dense flicker
^
spice prawn
and change case + psu
dense flicker
decent boost in performance for just $10 more
spice prawn
zacks suggestion was 630 total, mine is 645 total
unreal elk
I probably will keep the case im going to get and find a gold psu semi or fully
unreal elk
Gold 80 plus?
spice prawn
gah, i need to sleep.
cx is not modular.
and the gold etc ratings dont matter much
if anything
unreal elk
I perfer trying low noise
spice prawn
its the actual performance of the psu that matters
the gold etc ratings dont have anything to do with noise either
they are pure efficiency ratings
spice prawn
do that, if you want to talk with someone in your timezone about it. talk with @wicked hound
i know seasonic psu's inside and out. But that is roughly the limit on my end in regards to psu's
but those only start being fun a good bit above your budget
spice prawn
@wicked hound have fun with that one :)
wicked hound
CX is okay, but I mean with the budget maybe try to strive for more? Extra $20 or so, I think
spice prawn
i am out for the night :)
wicked hound
gn
unreal elk
Night man
Well i had evga gold 650 watt for 80 semi modular before it went back to weirdly $169
And i had to change it
wicked hound
I mean I'd assume that was BQ
which isnt that great
So good idea to change it anyways
unreal elk
I only focused evga but corsair and seasonic was even more confusing to look at with the branding types
wicked hound
Eh, can't really focus on branding for PSUs. They are a lot more complex then people make them out to be
voltage ripple/regulation, transient response, protections, capacitor quality, fan quality, noise (from fan or coil whine), operating temperature, hold up time, inrush current, efficiency, and solder quality
are most things for a PSU
Gotta do some research on the PSU, looking at reviews that test that
unreal elk
I would do it later to find semi modular or fully psu ATX but right now i think i just need to look reviews over graphic card and psu
wicked hound
I'd either go no modular or fully. There arent any good semi for the price
unreal elk
Tru
With my google sheet my parts ending with rtx 2070 super and fully modular corsair leads to $1320 plus tax which is sorta beyond my budget
Heading with 2060 super gpes down to $1220 which is at my budget
wicked hound
Decent PSUs rated from worst to best
non modular: Corsair CX
modular (okay): Cooler Master MWE
modular (better): Phanteks AMP, Corsair RM, Corsair RMx
unreal elk
Yeah i can see the psu tier list in Ltt
wicked hound
RM/RMx being the best out of all of them. AMP is slightly worse
but nothing considerable
unreal elk
Ill just keep researching and find out later my parts would be.
Thanks for helping Hei
wicked hound
I'd go with this, if im getting the correct pcpp list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bx36q3
lower the case a tad bit if prices are too high
as you kinda are $20 over budget
unborn spire
Best 230$ and under gpu?
jolly basin
Is a gtx 1660 gaming oc good for t he price
tired swan
@unborn spire you can get the 1660 super for 229.99
under that id probaly get the rx 590
@jolly basin 1660 isnt very great value, id go for a 1650 super or a 590
viral forum
I have a 1060 6gb and I wanna upgrade, should I just wait for the 30 series to come out?
tired swan
i think its rumored to come around fall so depends how patient you are and if your current performance is tolerable for like 8 months
but thats pretty much just rumors it could be later it could be sooner
runic trail
Should I get an RTX 2060 KO or an RX 5700?
thin sandal
dawn elbow
i have the 1660 super and it is working great
short kite
@runic trail if you really care about ray tracing and next gen then wait. if you don't, 5700. you can flash its bios to approach the 5700xt which is an exceptional 1440p card.
gilded hawk
Ugh I'm still debating. My 1070ti is great but loud. I dunno if I should wait for next gen or get a 2070 super/2080
cold stream
if you lower fan curve it gets too hot or what?
gilded hawk
It gets too hot
cold stream
If you can stand to wait a bit longer I'd do it
gilded hawk
I know I'm in the wrong place but what about cpu wise. I have the ryzen 5 2600 is the 3000 any better or should I wait
cold stream
the 3000 series jump is significant but for game performance I'm not 100% certain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjcw-tk7-c quite significant it seems, actually
blissful sequoia
Hi guys, I am making a build. I currently have a 3700x that I plan to OC to 4.2-4.3
And my mobo is a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
My GPU is a GeForce RTX 2060 super
Is it worth upgrading to a 2070 super?
I plan on doing light CAD, and gaming
No editing or anything of that sort
gilded hawk
If you are going to the 2070 super might as well go the 2080
But 2070 super oc is good. But I wouldn't jump from a 2060 to a 2070 super
gilded hawk
@blissful sequoia if you can find a 2080 priced decently then go for it but if not 2070 super is fine. I have the 1070ti and it worked wonders and I'm waiting for the 30 series
And yes up to you 2080 super/ti is super overkill but if you have the money they will be future proof for a while
blissful sequoia
Well I'm not worrying about budget
I'm trying to build a PC that will last me for my last year of highschool and most of college
Theoretically my budget is 3k but I'm not gonna go that big
fallen schooner
can do that with 1,500
blissful sequoia
Yep
blissful sequoia
posted my build in the build chat
alpine ledge
Anyone here have a 1660 Super? Just bought one and should be getting it tomorrow to replace my broken RX 580 and old R7 370 4gb. Just wanna know if it was worth the money
normal dome
So is my brandnew GPU a DOA? https://photos.app.goo.gl/CdY2gXAZfW4JaeqD9
XFX RX 5700 DD Ultra
stiff zodiac
how is it doa
normal dome
the output is glitching and causing the screen to horizontally flash
Same CPU/Mobo/Ram/PSU/Monitor/Cables but GTX970 == no horizontal shift/glitch
lone pond
@runic trail thanks man
spice prawn
@normal dome found an answer yet or?
normal dome
sent a ticket to XFX
not much else I can do
normally my google fu find everything but i am searching for the right combo of words to even see other people with this type of issue
only thing I can think of is its a hardware issue since it happens after long periods of idle
spice prawn
what gpu is it?
normal dome
XFX RX 5700 DD Ultra
spice prawn
what cable are you using ?
normal dome
Displayport
spice prawn
try and switch to hdmi if possible
spice prawn
yes, but it is two different things
normal dome
the GTX 970 works fine same cable/port and system
spice prawn
that is the 970
not your current card
just because something different works, does not mean yet another different thing will work
spice prawn
aye
normal dome
that will have to wait until after work for testing and recabling of my desk 😦 so I will give it a go tonight
spice prawn
best of luck, i should be around-ish for the next 5 hours
whatever you figure out, please throw a mention at me with it
and i will have a look when i am around next
spice prawn
hopefully
primal parcel
@normal dome Yea, same problems with my rx 5700. Many display issues. All I could find was harware related issues so I had to return mine. Got a rtx 2060, plugged it up and after a few days no problems compared to the 5700. From what I can tell its just the card.
lone pond
Navi is having some teething problems currently
normal dome
its a killer card if I can get it working
way better than anything nvidia has at the price point
performs (when it works) at nearly 2070 levels
and has mainline kernel support in Linux so I dont have to deal with proprietary drivers (looks at you Nvidia)
hoary tundra
So I am 100% set on a 2070 super but I am lost at what brand to get. I was looking at an EVGA card but I see a lot of complaints about coil whine. Online I saw a bunch of complaints about GIGABYTE customer support and the MSI gaming one people complain about the weight of it. Lastly, the ROG Strix looks great but is a lot more than others. Is there a brand people would recoment or a specific model people have had good performance with?
still ember
founder's edition?
apparently it's gud n quiet, not too many complaints
@hoary tundra otherwise, gigabyte has gud quality, so u prob won't need support
spice prawn
@hoary tundra buy whatever model you want. Based on whatever criteria you want. There really isnt much if any meaningful difference between them
oblique idol
I bought an MSI variant of the 2070 super and its been great so far. Used it for games like Tarkov and been playing VR recently and its been great so far. Upgraded from 1660ti and it is a great bump in performance
cyan vault
Sweet
reef atlas
I was informed 2070 super is only 10% better then the 5700xt which is only 3fps more
wicked hound
more like 5%
wicked hound
Only go Nvidia if you plan to go streaming
shut wind
yeah, their encoder is pretty tits
it really comes down to how much you're willing to spend, whether you want the ability to play games in 4K down the line
a lot of other factors
wicked hound
yea
lone pond
2070 super can hit 1440p ~120 fps at high settings
on most games
not streaming
with streaming you can probably hit 90(?) at high and 110-120 at medium
shut wind
also depends on what games you plan on playing
some like the 5700xt and vice versa
but value wise
wicked hound
dont forget the reason for Nvidia is because of NVENC, basically no utilization is on the CPU or GPU
lone pond
oh really? thats it?
shut wind
the 5700xt is a better bank for the buck
reef atlas
I'm planning to play pubg in ultra and witcher 3
wicked hound
it is with other streaming types
reef atlas
Right now I have a 1060 lol
wicked hound
like CPU h264
lone pond
i get witcher 3 max at 90-110 fps
lone pond
plus
nvidia is just easier
amd is a pain in the ass
but i respect them for being cheaper
spice prawn
so, you flip-flopped around so much that you ended up where you started @reef atlas ?
reef atlas
Naw I bought my ram and ssd already
lone pond
why not noctua fans
reef atlas
Oh I want hydraulic bearings
spice prawn
that PSU hurts
lone pond
thats a totally fine psu
spice prawn
mark them as purchased then @reef atlas
reef atlas
If I knew how
spice prawn
the gear wheel next to the price @reef atlas
lone pond
also x570 is a waste of money unless you plan to use the pcie4 slots
idk if any gpu in the next few years is gonna use it
getting a high end b450 would probably be better
msi tomahawk comes to mind
spice prawn
dont go tomahawk
unless you are trying to make a build that will get you reddit points
OR you are trying to OC the pants of something
lone pond
fair
reef atlas
I'm just gaming and editing wedding videoes on the computer xD
lone pond
i got the x570 gaming plus (no wifi) and i got lucky with the vrms but i heard a lot of people had an issue
just avoid msi for x570 mobos
spice prawn
a, often overlooked, added benefit for the 570 boards is that they generally come with the 1200 realtek soundchip
IF your audio gear is minijack, that can give you a benefit you will actually notice
reef atlas
I'm getting the wifi version for incase I ever need to
lone pond
yeah but dont get msi
reef atlas
Cant wait for my desktop to assemble zzz everything looks gucci right ? XD
Aside from overpriced/overkill/underkill
I dont have msi stuff do I o.o?
lone pond
sorry for all the reacts tryna figure out new discord
yea
your mobo
lmfao
which is exactly what im tryna tell you about
wait
oh my lord
reef atlas
It's an Asus motherboard
reef atlas
Lol
lone pond
i saw gaming plus and was like "msi"
my b
good choice
uh other than that everything checks out
i have 3600x and 3200 version of same ram and theyre compatible
i need to get off discord now, after that mess up
spice prawn
you have candles in the room ?
spice prawn
k, candles will leave residue, (which ends up black over time) hence why i originally asked :)
reef atlas
Ah i see I see :p
shut wind
Not to poop on your build or anything, but I can attest to the build quality and performance of ASUS Prime X570 Pro
but it looks like you're going for a black aesthetic in your build
reef atlas
Lol yah I unintentionally went all black
I have like no rgb cuz I realized I never look at my case so no point
lone pond
my case is right next to me
dreamy dragonBOT
IndianNinja#6969 has been warned
hexed forge
thats what we all say saint 
wicked hound
@shut wind SLI and an extra 16x slot. That's about all the main points you get going for the x570 pro comparative to the TUF
reef atlas
Lol I'm not jking XD. I had to do some rerouting and got lazy to cable manage again
Even my cable rack had no cables lol
reef atlas
It's from ikea called Fredde
lone pond
i wanna find a standing desk from ikea
reef atlas
Those adjustable ones ? That go up and down with a push of a button?
shut wind
@wicked hound yeah, the differences aren't major. was just providing a personal review. I do use the additional slot and I don't think the TUF has a type C front panel connector
wicked hound
there is no type c front panel connector
there is only 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 (not yet afaik tho)
USB
but yes, there isnt any 3.1 front panel on TUF
lone pond
@reef atlas yeah
i honestly hate sitting down i get fidgety
id much rather be standing
hexed forge
idk about tuff specifically but there are mobos with front panel type C connectors
hexed forge
uh
wicked hound
wicked hound
It's a 3.1 header
hexed forge
i see what you mean
wicked hound
not a type c
hexed forge
but it goes to a type c port
wicked hound
but that has nothing to do with the mobo
that is the case
the actual mobo port is a 3.1 USB port, and can be type A, B, C, whatever can exist
hexed forge
oh ok so the other one is only 3.0
wicked hound
yeah, that larger one is 3.0
hexed forge
i thought the other one could be 3.1 lol
but depended on the actual front panel ports.
good to know
wicked hound
yes, 3.2 gen1, 3.2 gen2, 3.2 gene2x2
shut wind
so USB 3.0 is USB 3.2 gen 1
shut wind
wicked hound
1st: 3.0
2nd: 3.1 gen1 and 3.1 gen2
3rd: 3.2 gen1, 3.2 gen2, 3.2 gen2x2
shut wind
that trade group needs to get their 💩 together
wicked hound
yeah. Certainly is annoying
reef atlas
Ok so my tuf is fine? XD
karmic solar
How about ASrocks
shut wind
their BIOS?
karmic solar
Yup
karmic solar
Fair enough
dawn elbow
what is the difference between a gtx 1060 for a laptop and a gtx 1060 for a desktop if any
lone pond
mobile gpus are always weaker than their desktop counterparts
dawn elbow
ok so would the 1060 for a laptop still be better then a gtx 1050ti for a desktop?
lone pond
if youre asking if you should get a gaming laptop vs a desktop, get a desktop unless you absolutely need a gaming laptop
dawn elbow
well a friend of mine has a laptop with a gtx 1060 gpu and i am trying to help him get into a desktop and the desktop that is prebuilt has a 1050ti in it so was trying to see if it was a big or small downgrade in the gpu
dawn elbow
ok ty
dawn elbow
ok
lone pond
don't get him a prebuilt
wicked hound
@lone pond @dawn elbow a 1050Ti is weaker then a 1060 mobile
please dont state things without actually looking into them
lone pond
prebuilts are already known to cost more and get outperformed by customs
" i am trying to help him get into a desktop and the desktop that is prebuilt has a 1050ti in it" and it looks like phoenix is saying hes trying to get him to buy a prebuilt
which isn't a good idea
wicked hound
Considering it's a 1050Ti I'd hopefully assume that budget is low (if not then that is a very, very, horrible deal). $500 budget PC here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dxWn8M
$422 budget here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nVbn8M
wicked hound
yee, nope. Sorry about that
dawn elbow
i am trying to get him into a desktop and stop using the laptop but he is really limited on funds and figured the prebuilt that i showed him can be custamized and upgraded
lone pond
is the prebuilt already yours or do you want to buy it
prebuilts just cost a lot more than the parts individually cuz labor costs
dawn elbow
its one from skytech gaming that i have owned one in the past that i started upgrading it but pawned it to get a car to have a way back and forth to work
i completely undestand that
lone pond
whats his budget
dawn elbow
i have a ryzen 7 2700x and a gtx 1660 super and aorus m b450 mobo and 16 gb corsair ram that i spent little over 700 for
lone pond
makes sense
buy all that used and you can probably drive it down to 500ish depending on luck
dawn elbow
yeah true i might have to search around and see about getting it and just build it myself and send the completed thing to him
dreamy dragonBOT
IndianNinja#6969 has been warned
lone pond
oh
right
shipping pcs is a pain
gotta stabilize everything
and even then
high chance itll break in transit
prebuilt manufacturers put toooons of crap in their pcs to make sure everything is steady
dawn elbow
yeah might just send the gpu seperate and the psu so that way it is less likely to have something bad happen
dawn elbow
that would work
lone pond
why not just have him send you the money, you do the shopping on ebay, then ship everything to him
ebay protects its user to a fault so if he breaks it he can just return it
dawn elbow
that would work to he said the same price range as i spent so i might just get him the same things i have in my comp and if i can find better things for cheaper then get them
dawn elbow
yeah i have a evga 750w 80 plus bronze psu that i could use the one i am using now is the raidmax cobra 700w 80+ bronze
lone pond
ew bronze
dawn elbow
that evga one is partial modular so would need the cables if needed more
shadow storm
ITS ALIVE!!
Rtx2070 super is finaly fixed
I'll get the details posted soon incase someone else has this issue
lone pond
dense flicker
sage parrot
so i have an rtx 2070, would it be better to get a 30 series when they come out, or another 2070 with an sli?
granite juniper
30xx, sli/nvlink doesn’t really give good performance in the majority of titles and productivity like rendering
shut wind
SLI/Crossfire is pretty much dead
sage parrot
So it would be better to just upgrade to a 30xx if it’s struggling?
shut wind
what is your 2070 struggling to do?
sage parrot
Running games
i’m getting 100% usage on the title screen and in the game the frame rate drops a little bit, i only have it on 60hz too
shut wind
hmmmm....
shut wind
what are your full specs?
sage parrot
hold up let me grab em
shut wind
because your 2070 should be handling 2k gaming just fine
sage parrot
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here we go
verbal cairn
Dont OC too much considering the fact that you have limited power
sage parrot
Alright, i might consider looking into getting one with more watts then
verbal cairn
Yeah, you def could. I don’t really know what’s the problem with the GPU though. A 2070 should really handle 2K pretty well
sage parrot
i know
that’s the issue.
the warranty is probably already expired too as it’s been over a year
shut wind
probably want to upgrade the PSU
shut wind
there are people more knowgeable than I that would be able to answer that better. but from a cursory search on google, yes, it seems it could be impacting your gpu performance
brisk flame
get a 2070 super, i dont think they are too much more
sage parrot
yeah but then i would have to go through the trouble of selling mine
and money is also an issue if i want a new psu
lucid whale
Is $350 for two 1070 fe’s good?
shut wind
first reaction is yes
lucid whale
Ok and would two of them be bottlenecked by a Ryzen 5 2600 lol
frigid glen
shut wind
you're looking to use an SLI set up?
shut wind
I wouldn't recommend using them both
your best course of action would be to buy them
use one
and sell the other
a lot of games do not benefit from a dual gpu set up
sage parrot
I’m using chrome remote desktop atm so i can’t check in game
cerulean rover
just try it when you're home
sage parrot
Alright
cyan vault
Idk I just feel like dbd isnt a very demanding game
cyan vault
Even at 1440p, the title screen should be at least 100fps
sage parrot
ikr
cyan vault
Its definitely playable just kinda strange
lone pond
ddu drivers?
cyan vault
Are all the drivers updated?
sage parrot
i’ll check
cerulean rover
you should be expecting 60-70 fps without streaming soooo
cyan vault
That could be a problem
cerulean rover
so that is basically not streamable
(since streaming would take some of the processing power)
sage parrot
Processing power is fine, it’s gpu power
cyan vault
When did you buy the gpu?
cerulean rover
I call them both processing power lol
sage parrot
december in 2018
cyan vault
Have you updated it at all?
sage parrot
i have updated i do it every week or so
cyan vault
Hmmmmm
sage parrot
if there is one
lone pond
do you DDU
sage parrot
what’s that
lone pond
so basically you need to uninstall old drivers before you install new ones
to prevent these performance losses
sage parrot
I’ll do that with this update
lone pond
i did the same thing, DDUd, got a ton of my fps back
sage parrot
i’ll try it since i’m already updating
cerulean rover
I feel the issue is that the hardware can't run the game well enough
lone pond
DDU is never a bad idea lol
lone pond
its a 2070S bro
sage parrot
i have a 2070
cerulean rover
^
cerulean rover
there were no 2070S in 2018 lol
cyan vault
Dbd is a very poorly optimized game
lone pond
lol my b i didnt check msg history
sage parrot
still it should be able to run just fine
cerulean rover
nah not your fault most of the convo was in #cases-psu-and-cooling
sage parrot
on a 2070
lone pond
try benchmarking tools
lone pond
no you need to install DDU
sage parrot
Ohh
lone pond
dont install with geforce exp
sage parrot
where do i get my drivers then
lone pond
download the .exe from nvidia
sage parrot
ok
cerulean rover
DDU is a different software btw.
lone pond
^
sage parrot
I’ll look
lone pond
and u gotta do a bunch of steps to do it right
dreamy dragonBOT
IndianNinja#6969 has been warned
sage parrot
i’ll wait till i get home to do that when i get home then
lone pond
cerulean rover
I've found something interesting recently that I need to look more into
It's called NVCleanstall by techpowerup
it aint DDU but might be useful
lone pond
is that like nvme clean up?
sage parrot
Alrighty, i’ll msg back here later this afternoon when i get home
lone pond
aight
cerulean rover
It cleans up Nvidia update files
lone pond
ic but is it as effective as ddu
sage parrot
indeed
cerulean rover
ima ask general
wicked hound
@sage parrot so the 2070 isnt really that amazing of a 1440p card
The 2070S is however a decent one
need to be careful about researching that
sage parrot
how much of a performance difference would that be
wicked hound
15% or something I think
sage parrot
Okay
i’m looking it up and people are saying it is the best card for 1440p
is it that specific card?
sage parrot
well, idk if i want to upgrade just to the 2070super if i have a 2070 now
ima do some more research and get back to you
cause i’d rather not upgrade my card just yet
stiff zodiac
sad
sage parrot
why
wicked hound
just run at lower settings, fairly sure you said you were doing ultra
dont do ultra
sage parrot
But even at ultra i should be able to run it
stiff zodiac
focus in game less on visual xD
quasi parcel
sage parrot
Ive been able to in the past
i’ll look after my gym
so i gtg for now, i’ll do research
west portal
Any benefit running dual video cards
cold stream
no
west portal
Thanks
cold stream
like price:perfomance it makes more sense to just get a better, singular video card
trail lake
^
trail lake
it never ends up scaling to 2x performance, maybe 1.5x at most, so for the price of buying an entire extra card it isn't worth
cold stream
if you're running a 1060 now, a 1660S is a somewhat significant jump up
frigid moon
should i wait for ampere? im buying a 2070 super in april and im not sure if i should wait or not
i've heard some rumors about great performance gains
dense flicker
comes out in summer
id wait
maybe get an ampere card or see if prices drop for last gen
frigid moon
im pretty sure the price is not going to be a problem
as long as they stay the same
the same goes for zen3 right?
its going to release in summer?
spice prawn
@dense flicker it is RUMOURED to come out in summer, what we know is that the HPC chip comes out in summer
dense flicker
oh
frigid moon
i heard that theres going to be more info in march
spice prawn
people are hoping there will be more info about the HPC part in march and the reddit bandwagon has jumped on for the ride into fairytail land with comments about the consumer parts
frigid moon
btw whats hpc?
spice prawn
think, if you have to ask for the price, you cannot afford it
nor do you actually need it
frigid moon
yeah, i dont need hpc gpus
then its probably going to come out later in the year
q3 or q4