graphics-cards

[olive bobcat]

No issues

FSR4 looks fantastic

[proper wave]

^

also looking better is purely up to you

the data im referring to was a recent test

where people where given the same clip

[lilac garnet]

decisions decisions

[proper wave]

but one was dlss, fsr, and native

dlss native fsr no difference in that order

[proper wave]

3070ti is holding its own

but the 9060xt is still running ahead

i would just save a bit longer

[olive bobcat]

Yeah ^

[proper wave]

because it seems like you are in the position where you can

where as my buddies dont really got a choice

its either buy a b580 or save until a 9070xt

no stock of anything in their countries

(the 9070xt is a $700 card btw)

[lilac garnet]

if i had to be honest with you i wouldnt buy the 3070ti till 2 weeks from now anyways

[proper wave]

just save until the 9060xt

plus prices are falling in germany and japan

if we're lucky the price drop will hit the US market soon

nothing crazy

only like 5%

but still

[lilac garnet]

i have a little trouble saving money, which is why wanna get something soon

hate to admit

[proper wave]

with that mindset no wonder you have trouble saving money

"i cant stop spending money, which is why i need to spend it RIGHT NOW"

[lilac garnet]

tell me about it

not happy about it

[proper wave]

i cant teach you self control, but if you can just be frugal for a bit

have a ramen night or 5

turn off the lights in your house when you're not in the room

make sure the cable box is off alongside the tv

do the dishes by hand

ect

[lilac garnet]

i really dont need to worry about any of that, still live at my parents house

[proper wave]

?

ohhh

was about to say

tf you plan to live

mars?

[proper wave]

well just keep on the grind for a bit

[lilac garnet]

precisely

[proper wave]

stop drinking if you do for a bit or cut back

[lilac garnet]

Im sober

dont worry

[proper wave]

then what are you spending money on

if you have trouble saving

no bills, no addictions

[lilac garnet]

ehh

i do have an addiction!

my girl 💀

[proper wave]

you're not supposed to have those!!!!!!!!!
all gamers are either single or closeted homosexuals

couldnt be me :3c

(im out)

[lilac garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-okay-cat-cat-ok-cat-okay-thumbs-up-crying-cat-gif-14516071108819125230

I appreciate the humor after telling me to eat ramen for a day, or 5 💀 😭

[proper wave]

not humor

seriousness

ramen is like 98 cents a pack

20 bucks 20 backs

20/5

4 packs is plenty for dinner

[lilac garnet]

it is so good though too, i wouldnt mind it

[proper wave]

horrible for you

but who cares

[lilac garnet]

sodium

[proper wave]

not that

it doesnt digest

its not real noodles

the person who did the study ate instant ramen for about 1/3 of the nights he did the research for it

which is ironic and funny

just because it was cheap and fast

[proper wave]

just dont spoil her as much for a bit

or do free things for her

like clean her car

[lilac garnet]

i guesssss

[proper wave]

dont use cleaner on leather seats btw

or faux leather

windex for windshields

[lilac garnet]

thanks for the tip

[proper wave]

anyways refurbished 3070ti as last resort

9060xt if you can save 100-150 more

also

@lilac garnet are you downloading games on that HDD?

[lilac garnet]

Nonono, I have an SSD

[proper wave]

ok good

like there better be nothing past 2014 on that

[lilac garnet]

lowkey not entirely sure why i got it, i hardly use it... i want another SSD but thats not urgent nor happening soon

[proper wave]

storage

good for storing videos if you make content

and pictures

and old games

also @lilac garnet do you know what postal is

https://tenor.com/view/logging-in-postal-postal-dude-postal-2-postal-movie-gif-4173022515553680354

[lilac garnet]

like my zip code?

[proper wave]

no

the game

[lilac garnet]

i do not

[proper wave]

good

check your dms

[lilac garnet]

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-swift-rx-96tsw8gbq-radeon-rx-9060-xt-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814150913?Item=9SIAD2CKP59708 @proper wave

ye

?

359

[rancid bramble]

ew

get 16gb

unless theyre playing smaller titles on 1080p

[proper wave]

16gb

not 8gb

8gb is dogshit

"9060xt 16gb"

[lilac garnet]

hearddddddddddd

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-challenger-rx9060xt-cl-16go-radeon-rx-9060-xt-16gb-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814930140R?Item=N82E16814930140R 400

[rancid bramble]

ebay is also an option

or jawa

[lilac garnet]

yh

[olive bobcat]

I have that one

Good card

$400 is good

[lilac garnet]

yh but non refundable open box

isnt that no bueno?

[olive bobcat]

Nah

[inner token]

how u know it aint a broken one lol being returned as the original

[olive bobcat]

If it’s clearly defective, they’ll take it back

Read the second line

[maiden haven]

ur getting the thing on the box and not the stuff that comes with like connectors and such

[olive bobcat]

Mine didn’t come with any

My psu came with all the connectors lmao

[proper wave]

oh also

the white asrock thats ugly af

its like one of the best models

models dont really matter since EVGA left

but if its the same price or less than 5 dollars

you might as well buy the better version

[proper wave]

only 12v gpus have connectors that come with the gpu

[lilac garnet]

i wouldn’t need more fans with this card right? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GzPPVW

[wanton edge]

A 1660 super doesn't consume much so cooling shouldn't be a problem

2 fans is good enough

[lilac garnet]

i’m not nothing a 1660 super, i’m buying the gpu i replied to

[wanton edge]

9060 xt still runs cool with just two fans

[minor spire]

I bought a 7900xtx pulse open box, and returned it because it would crash because thermal throttling. It was no issues to new egg

[olive bobcat]

This screenshot comes in handy @minor spire

[minor spire]

Well mine had a 30 return policy and I exercised it on that purchase. Maybe they changed policies since then

[vernal shell]

updated my 9070xt and a lot of games feel much better? recent driver somehow fixed a lot of issues , anyone else know anything?

[vital oriole]

I would find the patch notes of the driver release

That will give you a good idea

[vernal shell]

well thats peculiar because ive read them , apparently it was a marathon focused thing but it cleared up so many issues i had

not complaining,bt it piqued my curiousitu

[vital oriole]

Yeah, it's all good

[inner token]

A what now 😂

[round zinc]

I was going to ask if you meant the brand. I see it now though.

[inner token]

Lmaooo

[inner token]

IM STILL HAVING DAMN freezing bro

like wtf

new gpu and it happen within the first 2 hours of using it

[maiden haven]

only during gameplay?

try disabling ur wifi driver or your ethernet driver

[inner token]

sometimes during videos

and its hard to recreate it just randomly happens

[hot bough]

Have you tried matching the mobo's PCIe version, cleaning contacts, and a fresh windows install? Also did you use DDU to uninstall old GPU drivers

[inner token]

I updated bios changed motherboards aswell

Only thing I haven’t done was replaced ram

[hot bough]

Do you have Hynix ram?

[inner token]

Nosir

[hot bough]

If so, try this:

• 1.3v vSOC
• 6000mhz
• tCL30
• 1.55v VDD
• 1.45v VDDQ
• 1.5v VDDIO

These voltages are safe for other dram ICs as well though I wouldn't go higher than that unless you have Hynix memory and sufficient cooling.

[inner token]

Corsair Vengeance

[hot bough]

Corsair uses memory from Hynix, Samsung, and Micron

[inner token]

I ordered Crucial memory anyway

And tighter timings

[hot bough]

In any case even if it's Micron it Samsung the above is still safe

[inner token]

I will try that for the meanwhile tho

[hot bough]

The idea is to intentionally take binning or wacky motherboard vendor voltages for the ram out of the equation

It's intentionally giving the ram more voltage than it needs for such low speeds.

[round zinc]

If you wanted to see what it is.

[inner token]

It’s just weird cause it did it with two different motherboards and two different brands

so im going with tighter timings apparently better for amd

[round zinc]

Tighter timings are better for everything as long as it's stable. Amd just tends to be more memory sentitive than intel and am5 kind of runs into a wall somewhere in the 6000-6400 range where you might have to change the fclk ratio and then you would have been better off with slightly slower memory instead of letting it do that. So 6000 cl 30 might be better for some stuff than 6800 cl 34 or whatever would have been.
They're usually fairly small differences and unless you want to get into memory oc and tuning as a separate hobby it's likely not worth worrying about.

[inner token]

yeah even on stock settings for the ram it still crashed

[hot bough]

Note that fCLK can be stabilized by adjusting VDDG and VDD-MISC voltage.

[hot bough]

@inner token have you tried the changes I suggested?

[inner token]

sorta lost on how to try that @hot bough

on my board

[hot bough]

Go to BIOS > ADVANCED MODE

In ADVANCED MODE

you will see a bunch of memory settings

[inner token]

I only see these

[hot bough]

What do you see in MAIN?

That said:

CPU SOC - 1.3v

DRAM VDD - 1.55v
DRAM VDDQ - 1.45v

CPU VDDIO - 1.45v

Manually set the memory speed to 6000mhz and cl (sometimes called tCL) to 30

Keep XMP/EXPO enabled

Set VDDG IOD to 1.05v (1050mv) if you want some extra buffer room for the fCLK

Can raise VDDP to 1.15v to help stablize memory training

[inner token]

Main just shows pc Info

[hot bough]

then use the AI Tweaker tab. Seems ASUS bios has changed since I last used it.

@inner token if you want to make this quick and simple just shotgun approach with the suggested changes above

[inner token]

Would that affect anything on the motherboard or just the ram lol I’m not familiar with messing with clocks for memory

[hot bough]

All of that affects the RAM except SOC, VDDG, and to a certain extent VDDP

[inner token]

Soon as I changed soc my pc froze 😎

Not sure of because of my pc always freezing up or cuz of the voltage change

Nvm was just my mouse freezing I guess lol

[hot bough]

SOC does not cause the pc to freeze

[inner token]

The max for my dram VDD and VDDQ is only 1.43500

[hot bough]

Enable HIGH VOLTAGE mode

[inner token]

Kk

[hot bough]

Probably under ADVANCED MEMORY

[inner token]

Yes I got it

Is that all?

[hot bough]

Also note, DDR5 spec considers 1.65v VDD to be the safe limit with sufficient cooling.

[inner token]

Yeah I got optimal cooling

3 front fans 2 top fans and a rear exhaust

Plus a big air cooler

[hot bough]

Save this to a profile called TEST then try booting. Make sure Memory Context Restore and Power Down Mode is disabled.

MCR has a tendency to sometimes save unstable values allowing the pc to keep posting with unstable values.

MCR disabled needs PDM to be disabled

[inner token]

I don’t see power down mode

Only MCR

[hot bough]

Do you have a search button?

[inner token]

yes

I searched it

And no results

[hot bough]

Strange lemme check what asus calls this nonsense

[inner token]

They have power down enable

[hot bough]

set that to disabled

[inner token]

Kk

[hot bough]

Once you have made the above changes give her a go

[inner token]

Idk how to save results so I just did save and restart

If anything goes bad I’ll just clear cmos

So far it passed memory training gotta head out for a bed so I’ll update when I’m home to do some stress testing on the ram

[hot bough]

aight.

[inner token]

Bit

[inner token]

Ran a occt test and no errors

And no freezing

I’ll have to play for a bit to see if it still freezes up

[hot bough]

Good.

[hot bough]

Was it freezing before in those?

[inner token]

no

only occasionally happen

[hot bough]

Aight well keep me updated.

[inner token]

will do

its a odd issue lowkey

rarely happens on siege but usually happens once or twice a day on arc raiders and fortnit

[hot bough]

@inner token good so far?

[inner token]

Haven’t really played much but hasn’t happen yet but again it’s a very random timing it’s hard to actually make it happen

[unkempt bone]

budget is $1,184

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VFGVYX

should I keep the 9070 XT or can I upgrade given the budget amount?

[proper wave]

did you make a typo

you are 2x overbudget

i may be misunderstanding

[unkempt bone]

@proper wave budget for the gpu is 1184

I alr got everything else except the CPU and GPU

& ram, but I plan on using the ram I got on this build alr

[proper wave]

the 9800x3d and the 9850x3d are literally the same thing, but the 9850 is the 9800's that won the silicon lottery and have a factory overclock

so if you are lucky and know how to OC you can get a 9850x3d for $20 off

if you're not only 5 less FPS

do you plan on only gaming or do you work or stream on your PC @unkempt bone

[unkempt bone]

gaming and recording videos, maybe stream

[proper wave]

AMD gpus are great for gayming, kinda suck for anything else though

[unkempt bone]

holy

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-Vulcan-3200MHz-Desktop/dp/B07T637L7T/ref=sr_1_12?crid=AWOYXJ12BETZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._W2L-RaPFmbMo3sKb6uv2TGwhfyZ_RIisTQh4MVksXbtkMJIXGv4KOZhXF_0ZukoAnjKYXj3j8barh7OHYkl0S0xy2e3W9EgIPYg4pd_AylaxX_5sByKkduR6-ldJ9mUG5SuvBiXXbFxW0VD11-c8KSdjXySbkjfULsd5PDoj-GdpnRV8frz0iJbwz5jBLLaXbo9TLLUlOFUkmXfXQrwGOSsYXW1f1LDbnDbO0fV-RU.hNtUuAyqtbFMuOwD9IJnJL1iKCYyL4TT-CgZPzpvRuI&dib_tag=se&keywords=t%2Bforce%2B16gb%2Bram%2Bddr5&qid=1773364204&sprefix=t%2Bforce%2B16gb%2B%2Caps%2C195&sr=8-12&th=1

this is what I have

and what I plan to use instead of buying ram

[proper wave]

@unkempt bone thats DDR4

not DDR5

you need to buy a b550 motherboard

and you are limited to the 5000 series cpu line

[unkempt bone]

ik, I changed my mind, buying ram and staying with 9070xt

[cold fox]

Great choice

Could also look at the non xt so save on some money

[proper wave]

if you are buying ram then you need to get a new motherboard and CPU too

you cant put a 1000-5000 in a b850 mobo

[unkempt bone]

getting 6000

[proper wave]

a laptop cpu?

do you mean 7000

7600x?

[unkempt bone]

getting 6000MT 30CL ram

[proper wave]

the cpu

DDR5 ram needs to be in an AM5 system

you cant put it in your current build

[unkempt bone]

yeah the motherboard is AM5

[proper wave]

@unkempt bone if you havent bought that yet

dont

because there are combo deals on newegg

which will let you get a better price on the motherboard, cpu, and ram

[cold fox]

He’s bought everything

[proper wave]

oh i see

[cold fox]

He said he alr bought basically everything

[unkempt bone]

except motherboard, cpu and gpu

[proper wave]

but you have DDR4 ram

so you would need DDR5 ram

so you dont have the ram

[unkempt bone]

old ram

ye, I need to buy some

[proper wave]

so you dont have any of it

so buy a combo

[unkempt bone]

bet

[proper wave]

let me getchu one

@unkempt bone still 1200 for the whole thing?

[unkempt bone]

yeah

[proper wave]

rough

@unkempt bone not possible

730 is the cheapest non used/openbox/refurbished 9070xt

which leaves 370 dollars for the combo

then add tax

[unkempt bone]

it's fine, I'll go one by one

[proper wave]

one by one is more expensive

[unkempt bone]

🦎 ik, but need a krisp white pc build

[proper wave]

then even harder

as swag is money

@unkempt bone what is your current build

ill see if there is something we can keep that you can save on

if you do not know, you can check in task manager by clicking Performance

[unkempt bone]

ogh, not upgrading, making an entirely new pc

first out of the trenches build

[proper wave]

i thought you played dark and darker

[unkempt bone]

lmao on my old gaming laptop, but gave it to my sister

[proper wave]

ah i see

@unkempt bone well we 4 options here

[unkempt bone]

back on ryzen 3 3200g w gtx 1070

[proper wave]

1, we use that ram you got and make an AM4 build

[unkempt bone]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[proper wave]

2, we forbid the swag and make the employee of the month build (i call it that because it works hard and like shit)

[proper wave]

AM4 is fine

unless you got a 5090 you wont feel the bottleneck of the 5700x3d

still cheaper than intel

[unkempt bone]

swag all the way over here

patient as a dodo bird

[proper wave]

3, you get a shittier AM5 build that looks nice

4, you wait a year or so

[unkempt bone]

I'll wait a month more n my total budget = 2.4k

[proper wave]

2.4k is more like it

if you want i can get you a parts list

[unkempt bone]

ogh dont worry, these parts i got i want bc swag, white and pretty good

[proper wave]

i got better brands

you know okinos?

[unkempt bone]

nope, but if they have rgb

u got me

[proper wave]

yes

and free fans

the build they chose for the white is ugly af, but if you arent stupid and put a white mobo inside it looks nice

[unkempt bone]

ogh I alr have the case and AIO alr

[proper wave]

you already got it?

ah i see

[unkempt bone]

mhm

[proper wave]

so give me everything you have

on hand

[unkempt bone]

everything except CPU, GPU, MotherBoard & RAM

[proper wave]

you got a PSU?

and a monitor keyboard and mouse

and a headset

and a SSD

just double checking

alot of people forget the smaller things

[unkempt bone]

yup

yeah, all of those

[proper wave]

sounds good

[proper wave]

so 2400 for these when you get payday

[unkempt bone]

yeah

[proper wave]

what is your PSU

whats the wattage

dont want to overload it

[unkempt bone]

850W

https://www.memoryc.com/74375-zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-amp-extreme-infinity-nvidia-16-gb-gddr7.html?sv1=affiliate&sv_campaign_id=127079&sscid=91785_1773365950_331457aed481edcc9bacd277cfe0442a&awc=91785_1773365950_331457aed481edcc9bacd277cfe0442a

this graphics card looks sick as hell

[proper wave]

rough

[proper wave]

it will look like dogshit in a white case

i have mastered the art of feng shui

the trick is blaming the furniture when something goes wrong in life

[unkempt bone]

LMAO I'll let it slide bc of the infinity mirror design

[proper wave]

ffs man

@unkempt bone sadly all the combos have black ram so i had to use the default deals, you can see this menu by typing combo in newegg search

9850x3d is 30 dollars more

[unkempt bone]

no probs

I spend that much on a doordash burgerking meal

sacrifice that meal

[proper wave]

this should be good

id reccomend the 5070ti

as though the 9070xt is equal in gaming power

NVIDIA cards perform better in dark and darker

and in other games too like darkitde, helldivers, ect

[unkempt bone]

I dont main dark n darker anymore sadly

o

[proper wave]

built for nvidia drivers

also nvidia has better driver support and features

however nvidia sucks at linux

@unkempt bone just so you know

that card you are looking at

is more expensive than the 5080

so you will be spending a model up's worth of money, for a card that doesnt match your computer

and it also takes you overbudget

because tax

unless you want a less powerful CPU and a B850 motherboard

[unkempt bone]

I can wait another month

[proper wave]

@unkempt bone im talking about the 2400 budget

this is more on top of that

and it may be sold out by then

because almost every other site is sold out or backorder

they dont make 5070ti's anymore

not profitable enough

despite what nvidia claims

[unkempt bone]

yeah, I can buy the GPU rn and wait a month to buy the rest

[proper wave]

at this point id go for the 9070xt

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-steel-legend-rx9070xt-sl-16g-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930136

matches the swag, $750, the same gaming power

[proper wave]

and also just so you know

you will not see the fans

it will look like this

[proper wave]

@unkempt bone anyways you got all the links and parts

[unkempt bone]

:3

[unkempt bone]

I rlly like that

[proper wave]

yes

it will look way better

and is literally half as much

[unkempt bone]

ik it's just the infinity mirrow design caught my eye

[proper wave]

it looks nice, but its a black build

a computer is like a suit, you dont wear a white jacket, black tie, black shirt, and gray pants

you either go all one color or contrast

RGB is like paisley

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-gif-19437410

your computer should look like this guy

[unkempt bone]

true words

[proper wave]

https://tenor.com/view/goro-majima-hustle-yakuza-dance-moves-gif-17250580

mine looks like him

[lucid thistle]

Anyone having problems with amd gpu drivers today I’m getting constant black screens and can’t even open and software to try to fix it

[lucid thistle]

Nvm just had to uninstall and reinstall two times

[bold solar]

also had an issue

ended up reverting to the last driver update

[proper wave]

just like everything amd does with their gpus

copying nvidia

they started to ai code

so amd starts to ai code

[solid glacier]

Pc just randomly shut off

And now there’s a red light next to boot snd all my fan are at max speed?

[solid glacier]

Repasted CPU reseated RAM cleared cmos

Still having boot issues

[forest oasis]

boot led would be drive or os issue

[solid glacier]

So it boots

But nothing displays

And the cpu light just stays on

[forest oasis]

Hmm

If the cpu light is on, it probably didn't boot

It probably didn't even pass POST

Either that or it could be memory training

[solid glacier]

Pc turns on

Eveyrhting is on fans etc

But no display

I even tried 1 stick of ram still nothing

[solid glacier]

I had it running 5 mins with bot sticks still nothing

I’m thinking fried CPU or mobo

Both

[forest oasis]

did you do anything in the case or plugged anything in or such recently

[solid glacier]

nope I was just doing school and it black screened and no display so I restarted the pc and now my cpu light is on and no display

[forest oasis]

hmm

[solid glacier]

I have zero clue lol, I got a appointment tomorrow at Best Buy I’ll buy a new cpu and see if it works if it does the cpu fried if it doesn’t boot I’ll buy a mobo and see

[forest oasis]

both the cpu and mobo randomly dying is pretty rare but my brain is also too fried to think of anything else

[solid glacier]

yea

I tried a new PSU still same issue

[solid glacier]

It was the cpu btw

Just got a new one and it works

[forest oasis]

damn

[solid glacier]

Also

Does this look like it’s in?

The gpu

I feel like it’s sticking out a lot

But I mean the pc is running fine how do I check if it’s fully using the gpu ?

Tech gpuz?

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/appu-appu-rajosh-gif-21480132

[forest oasis]

this clip does not look like it is down

i can't tell if it's open and you didn't push it in till it latched or if you broke it from not opening it before putting the gpu in

[solid glacier]

Like pushed down? It’s pushed down but the gpu isn’t in

[forest oasis]

Pushed down means opened

[forest oasis]

I meant closed in this my bad

[hot bough]

Is the PCIe Retention Clip fully locked in around the GPU's PCIe? The GPU can run even if it's not fully seated though this is not recommended.

[hot bough]

What CPU was it and please check if any of your motherboard pins on the back is touching the case.

[solid glacier]

It was the 9800x3d

It internally fried itself somehow

[solid glacier]

Uhhh

[solid glacier]

So I Jsut reseated it

And the end doesn’t go on

It won’t clip

Bro

I took out that black thing

And the gpu wont go in still

Gpu won’t go in lol

Bc of this thing

[cloud tangle]

I’m looking for an AMD equivalent of my current RTX 5070 TI, I’m not sure where to look, but I need similar specs to my current card because Linux isn’t too kind to my current card

Probably, I’ve heard that AMD gets better price to performance than Nvidia

The price for a brand new 5070 TI in my area is 1.2k

I got both my current and backup for 950 used.

I don’t have issues with either, they just don’t mesh well with Linux

Yeah, I saw prices starting to skyrocket, and didn’t want to get caught with a bricked card at insane prices

No?

Oh well, what’s done is done

Not sure that ASUS will allow me to use a warranty on a resold card, they still have no drivers for my motherboard on Linux

Interesting, I’ll take a look

[craggy condor]

or a 4090 or something lol

two 5070 ti's is $2k in the bank

[cloud tangle]

Im specifically avoiding Nvidia hardware because of its limited Linux support

[craggy condor]

9070/xt then

[thick siren]

Just waiting for FE drops again 😭

[velvet grail]

hello, I need some help troubleshooting my pc. current specs: i5 8500, GTX 1080 Ti OC, 2x8GB DDR4 2666, B360N WiFi ITX, Be Quiet SFX L 600W

the problem is the GPU crashes (app closes/freezes) in Furmark, and BeamNG. Crashes started after upgrading from H310+9400F to B360N+8500, same GPU, no crashes before.

previously had a 450w psu and power rails sagged under load (12v @11.4v), so, thinking that was the problem, today I swapped to the 600w psu.
now 12V sags to 11.85V (on pcie) under full load (within spec), PSU probably not the issue.
Furmark at 100% TDP crashes in like 5min, capped @95% takes a bit more, 90% is stable
BeamNG crashes faster as it pulls ~300W vs Furmark's ~250W likely because it hammers VRAM too
Undervolt in Afterburner also delayed/prevented crashes
temps are fine (60°C core, 75°C hotspot), memory temp not exposed in hwinfo

im assuming it could be vram overheating, or pcie power delivery from the B360N being marginal, or the new CPU simply removing a bottleneck that was masking the issue before.

Any ideas what's most likely or what else to test?

[vital oriole]

Have you ran DDU yet?

It could be a driver issue

[hot bough]

Has anyone else been having issues with the games crashing on a 9070xt? I am running all stock and below stock settings and I've been experiencing random crashes where the game suddenly freezes then crashes.

I've tried:

• restarting
• downclocking the card
• reinstalling the game

Happens in:

• Fortnite
• HellDivers 2
• Marvel Rivals

[torn garden]

Your ram is manually tweaked or just one click xmp

[hot bough]

xmp right now. and i've thoroughly tested for mem stability.

[hot bough]

So far downclocking the gpu has helped but not solved the issue

[velvet grail]

yes, full windows reinstall too

[vital oriole]

The voltage sag is something I haven't heard or observed

11.85V should be high enough though, according to info I've read from forums

I'd try underclocking the vram

If that solves your issue, then you can confirm that it is a failing gpu

[velvet grail]

just ran occt and it passed. I then ran a few more tests with furmark and I guess I figured out what the problem is.
with fixed 100% fan speed it runs fine for hours, but as soon as I drop the fan speed and let the temps climb up a bit (not even by a significant amount) it crashes

I don't get why the crashes started happening after the mb and cpu swap... maybe I had just tweaked the fan curves when I upgraded

I definitely did since different mb had different fan headers so I likely also tuned the gpu fan for some reason (in fan control)

well I guess this means a repaste is necessary, might be overheating on the vrms, vram or something since all reported temps in hwinfo are fine. 60C core, 70C hotspot under furmark load

[hot bough]

@wanton edge Well this is annoying

Just did a fresh DDU but it seems to have something with driver timeout

[wanton edge]

You mentioned that you're running all stock, does that include CPU and ram?

If those were tweaked set them to default and try again. Sometimes a CPU or ram overclock can mess with radeon

[hot bough]

Will retry with 100% stock tomorrow. One thing I have noticed is that a down clock on the gpu of -300 to the core and I haven't had any issues.

I'm also noticing my gpu is maintaining like 3,100mhz in-game on high settings which seems very aggressive.

[wanton edge]

Surprisingly, that issue is somewhat common for 9070 xt cards because it's boosting way too high

[hot bough]

it was trying to do 3,400mhz in games before the downclock.

[wanton edge]

I don't get this issue because I run this card at 0% PL or lower with a less aggressive undervolt

[wanton edge]

That's too much lol

[hot bough]

What confuses me is why it is boosting that aggressively

Cause before the game crashes I noticed something consistent

the gpu load hits 100% and it's trying to clock like crazy

[hot bough]

Didn't start happening till like maybe 1-2 weeks ago.

[wanton edge]

When you have room for power + an aggressive uv + max frequency at default you get this. Now I used to run -55mv on my card as daily prior to my CPU overclock but now I had to go back to -40mv due to many crashes recently

Now it's stable again

I think what AMD did to these cards are wild as they're programmed to run as high as possible.

[hot bough]

So it's a result of too much headroom?

[wanton edge]

Yea, the silicon can't handle those super high clocks

You should also check on power spikes as well as these cards love to push over 500w spikes

Now I assume your PSU can handle that but there's always somewhere to look

[hot bough]

at stock it hits ~520w spikes. WIth +10% it's gone as high as 580w.

[wanton edge]

Wow...

[hot bough]

SF1000 psu from Corsair. I have the 9070xt Mercury Magnetic OC model.

So it has 3x8pin

[wanton edge]

Pretty good models

Good luck with the troubleshooting I'm going to sleep now

[hot bough]

You too have a good one.

[hot bough]

https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/comments/1knkvms/rx_9070_xt_is_boosting_to_almost_3300mhz/

interesting reddit post regarding the same experience I am having

[hot bough]

Entire reddit full of people describing the same issue I am having with the 9070xt boosting to ~3.4Ghz and trying to maintain that in games on the newest drivers then experiencing crashes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/comments/1qhv1i4/rx_9070_xt_is_unstable_by_nature/

[hot bough]

So I did some more research and asked around in the OC servers. @wanton edge in the newest drivers for the 9070xt, AMD has changed the boost algorithm for the core clock to be significantly more aggressive. Reverting to older drivers solves the issue or reducing core fmax like I did which I think is better since the GPU will now maintain those higher clocks.

[hot bough]

@rancid bramble @round zinc @naive flicker
Figure this may be worth notifying you guys Incase you find anyone else running into random game crashes and driver timeouts on the latest drivers for 9070xt and 9070.

For comparison my GPU was boosting to about 2.9-3Ghz on the previous drivers in HD2 now it's boosting 3.3-3.4Ghz

[round zinc]

Did they remove the max clock slider in adrenalin for 9000 series?

[hot bough]

Still available for me at least.

I am currently running a reduced max clock because of the new drivers.

[round zinc]

Does it not work or is this just an easy fix? I have a 7900xtx btw.

[hot bough]

The GPU (9070xt and some 9070 (limited data)) are boosting significantly higher then on previous drivers. Roughly 300-400mhz based on my sample and a few others.

An easy fix is just setting a negative core fmax in adrenaline.

Increasing PL helps

One user reported that reinstalling the latest drivers without adrenaline worked but I haven't confirmed it.

I wonder why AMD made the new driver so aggressive. Gearing up for some Benchmarks maybe?

[round zinc]

They both just break stuff occasionally. I'm using 25.9.1 because February drivers broke fsr 4 int 8 for me and cyberpunk was consistently crashing after a few minutes.

[hot bough]

Seems like it.

I have a sneaking suspicion they are relying on Generated Code to much for these new drivers.

[wanton edge]

Sounds good

[hot bough]

I am amazed by how much my power spikes dropped going from no undervolt to -80 uv. 112w difference.

580w vs 466w

[torn garden]

@hot bough I would try to get a replacement

A gpu should be rock solid stable out of the box

His steel legend 9070xt seems to run around 2900mhz-3ghz and he has yet to report any stability issues

So power colour is pushing the thing into instability for not even 2% performance improvement lol

[hot bough]

Mine is 100% stable at the 3.1Ghz it's rated for. The issue is the new drivers boost the core clocks a lot more aggressively on 9070xt causing my GPU to boost to 3.4-3.45Ghz in games and sometimes crashes because of that.

Because AMD decided to make the max core frequency at stock settings 3.45Ghz for all 9070xt if your GPU has looks like it has headroom it will try to boost that high.

.
With some tuning I am currently maintaining 3.3Ghz with -150 core and -80mv UV plus 10% PL.

[torn garden]

Hoping that is 100% stable for you

Crashes in games especially multiplayer ones like fortnite,marvel rivals are simply unacceptable

wouldn't you have to apply the UV everytime there is a new driver update

A bit of a bandaid type solution

[round zinc]

Adrenaline saves your settings through driver updates.

[solid glacier]

Someone wants to trade a PNY 4090 for my 5080 worth or nah

[hot bough]

Pros:

• More VRAM

• Better raster performance

• xx90 tier bragging rights even if it is a generation old

Cons:

• No new DLSS features such as Frame Gen and DLSS 5.0.

• Potentially lower resale value when RTX 6000 series lands

• Higher power draw

[torn garden]

I don't think I saw much confirmation saying dlss 5 is exclusive to Blackwell and later

[torn garden]

The hassle of taking a gpu out and putting it back I personally would just stick with the 5080

[round zinc]

Why would they want to do that? A used 4090 is around double the cost of a 5080.

[solid glacier]

anyone got a benchmark with their 4090?

[craggy condor]

yeah absolutely except that it's 100% a scam lol

[solid glacier]

nope traded it this morning

[hot bough]

And it works?

[solid glacier]

yep

zero problems with it

i tested it before i did the tradfe

kinda wish i didnt bc i forgot about the frame generation with 5series

[round zinc]

You can always just sell it for $2k+ and buy a new 50 series.

[solid glacier]

true

[hot bough]

Excellent

[solid glacier]

good is the ultra 9 285k

im running that with it currently

[hot bough]

Interesting, did you choose that for gaming or productivity?

[solid glacier]

Gaming i wanted to try it since iv had a 9800x3d i have up to 30 days to return it

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

[solid glacier]

but i think im gonna go back to the 9800x3d ngl

[hot bough]

I imagine it'd be worse in heavy titles and better in light titles due to the limited cache.

Think of Modded MC vs Vanilla MC. When there isn't much that needs to be placed on the cache it works better due to the higher clocks.

[hot bough]

Return, sell 9800x3D, upgrade to 9950x3D.

[solid glacier]

bet will do!

[hot bough]

In all seriousness, I kinda doubt you will see more than a 5% difference in games with the 9950x3D unless you ensure all apps besides the games are loaded onto the frequency cache. The 9950x3D does have a much higher boost clock of 5.55Ghz on the cache CCD though.

[reef bramble]

@analog junco

What is your CPU and RAM currently?

I'd recommend like a 5070ti for about a 1k budget

I doubt you'll find a 5080 for 1k

[analog junco]

I upgraded the 2 item u recommended last time

[analog junco]

How much of a difference is 70ti and 80?

Performance wise

[celest wave]

Think it was between 10-20

TPU has the 5080 at about 15% faster

[reef bramble]

5070ti would be the a better pairing than a 5080 for that computer

You should llook to upgrade to 32gb of ram w/ the rest of the money saved over

@analog junco

[analog junco]

I did upgrade my ram

U recommend

[analog junco]

Noted

[craggy condor]

not enough to notice

[analog junco]

Ok ty 5070it is

[round zinc]

9070xt is worth considering too. About the same performance as a 5070ti and probably $200+ cheaper.

[craggy condor]

that too

9070 xt vs 5080 is a little more jarring just because of the feature difference. but still similar ballpark

[analog junco]

I'm clueless about computers part, price and performance wise 9070xt or 5070p?

[round zinc]

5070ti vs 9070xt is about as close as it gets. Nvidia dlss is better than fsr and supported in more games, nvidia's encoders are better but if you're just gaming they are pretty similar.

[lofty pollen]

Would 985x3d + 5090 survive with 1000w?

[olive bobcat]

I’d go with 1200w

Personally

[torn garden]

Using the exact same combo with rm850x but we never know where gpu power consumption will go from here so might as well get a 1kw unit

[lofty pollen]

Oh sick ur running that on 850watts??

[torn garden]

rm850x is 850watts so it would seem

[lofty pollen]

What kind of games do you play? Or whats your most use of your pc?

[torn garden]

Idk how to answer since I try to dabble into almost anything .main use case is gaming and web browsing

[torn garden]

I used to do video editing but the payout was so little that it was not worth investing time into over my businesses

[analog junco]

Last question can I pull 2 gpu into my motherboard or its not recommended?

[cerulean rover]

The question is what are you trying to achieve with that

[analog junco]

Just for gaming?

Like if I get a new gpu can I just plug the new one in?

[cerulean rover]

There is no current mainstream game that supports multiple different GPUs, and 99% of the current games do NOT support SLI or crossfire

If your goal is gaming performance, multi GPU will hurt you more than it helps you 99% of the time

[analog junco]

Noted tyvm

[cerulean rover]

In terms of physical compatibility and such, it's possible, the main problem is software actually supporting it

[forest oasis]

it might be useful if you're not gaming though

or it could be useful if you're streaming potentially

e.g. you have an amd gpu and cpu, but you want to use qsv to stream/record

[random walrus]

Iirc lossless scaling can offload frame gen and or upscaling onto a second gpu but that's pretty niche

[craggy condor]

i wonder how well that works with an iGPU

[forest oasis]

i think that was the gpu the developer had in mind specifically

it's one of the usecases outlined

i can say for certain though it won't work well with a dying igpu

lmao

[vital oriole]

tried. did not work well

[wicked hound]

Typically needs one of the higher end iGPUs

[wicked hound]

Yeah afaik realtime checkerboard rendering works pretty well with mGPU. But no one cares to do that now-a-days

[cerulean rover]

iirc that's why you can use random stuff together for blender, but games don't care

[wicked hound]

Rendering programs may like them cuz checkerboard can also be used for one GPU with insufficient VRAM? Don't know all the Inefficiencies to worry about with mGPU rendering, but afaik checkerboard is pretty good with consistent frametimes which be important for real-time rendering.

[lavish otter]

@solemn panther

[nocturne marlin]

If you were to guess honestly what GPU this is without seeing it, what would you guess? The CPU is i7-8700

Also has Hyperx Fury DDR4 if that gives any clue

[forest oasis]

Intel® UHD Graphics 630

there is no dgpu in this system
also they mounted the radiator wrong

if they are including a dgpu without showing it, it's pretty much impossible to guess because somebody may hve either an older gpu than the cpu, a gpu of the same generation as the cpu, or a gpu much newer

but usually sellers won't remove a gpu to sell a pc so it probably only is the igpu

[nocturne marlin]

Ah damn not as good as I would have hoped..

Got excited and without looking thought it was a white GPU with 2 fans, but it’s probably just someone who took out the GPU and that was their old “shell”

Was selling it for $150 lol

[forest oasis]

the bottom thing there is just an aio with white fans lol

idk why it's down there, it's not good for the pump though

[round zinc]

$150 for a working 8700 with board, ram, psu, case isn't terrible. It's a single stick of ram though and that cooler is likely not in great shape from being upside down.

[nocturne marlin]

I built this PC for my wife 5-6 years back or so, she mostly plays Switch 2, but wants to get back into her PC. I think her current hardware above is ok and just needs a new GPU. She wants to maybe find the best possible for like $300-$400. I know now is like the worst pricing for GPU, but what would you recommend probably USED/REFURB in that range? Any particularly good deals?

[olive bobcat]

3080 is a solid gpu for used

6800xt

[round zinc]

3080 should be available for $300 or a little more. If you want a certified refurb model zotac store has them in the refurb section for $370 and they have 4070 open box (2 year warranty instead of 90 day, 12gb of vram instead of 10 for $440.
Is that a 550W or a 650W? All of these would be kind of borderline on a 650W except the 4070 and really wouldn't recommend them on a 550. A lot of models of 3080 and 6800xt also use more than 2 pcie 8 pins and might be rather long for the case.
9060xt 16gb occasionally are $400 or even less but they sell out pretty fast at that, typical price is more like $450 now. For something new that's probably the best option though, a bit slower than a 3080 or 6800xt or 4070, 16gb vram, single 8 pin power so no needing a new psu concerns.

[nocturne marlin]

650

[nocturne marlin]

I should have mentioned she just got LG 39” oled 4K monitor so that is driving this. Not sure if that changes things or compatibility.

[round zinc]

Higher priority on vram. A lot of games go to 12+gb on vram for me at 4k. So 6800xt or 9060xt 16gb look more attractive and 3080 10gb less. Radeon 9000 and nvidia have better upscalers available than older radeon cards too so another + for 9060xt 16gb and the 4070 12gb which can use a better version of dlss than 30 series.

And is that 4k or is it an ultrawide? 39" would be kind of weird for a 16:9.

[nocturne marlin]

Guess not 4K she is hoping she got a good one now. Was a good deal lol

[round zinc]

Still more pixels than regular 1440p, falls in between there and 4k. I'd say most of that same stuff applies though.

[random walrus]

For upscaling the 30 series still gets dlss4 (albeit with a higher performance penalty)

[craggy condor]

Arc C580 (it doesn't exist)

[round zinc]

Yeah, 6000 and 7000 radeon will get fsr 4 too, but it's a weaker version of int8 instead of fp8 so the performance gains are rather mediocre on quality mode or even balanced mode. Similar sort of story with 30 and 20 series dlss 4, they can use it but not the better/efficient version.

At least nvidia didn't make people wait a year or more for it though.

[craggy condor]

3090 can use DLSS 4 transformer just fine. i saw like 3% performance difference between that and 3.8, but you get that with the .X version changes anyway

i think i also tested my 2080 ti and didn't notice a difference, but i didn't measure it either so idk what the exact performance difference worked out to

FSR 4 tends to have more % performance uplift than DLSS 4 anyway though, so as long as the quality is the same on RDNA 3 idc if the % uplift is 10% worse than 3.1 or whatever

[random walrus]

Yeah the performance/overhead penalty for dlss4 is largely overshadowed by the massive quality leap

In many scenarios you can go a full step lower and see similar outputs which is crazy

[half locust]

would it be a good idea to put ptm7950 on my 9060xt?

it doesnt have any from the factory

[random walrus]

If it's running really hot maybe but otherwise I'd leave it

[half locust]

70C max

[random walrus]

Nothing to worry about

[half locust]

alright

[half locust]

when should i repaste or add ptm7950 tho

in like 3 years?

only have the gpu for 5 months im just wondering

[random walrus]

Probably more like 5, idk

[round zinc]

When the temps and/or fan noise start being bad.

[vital oriole]

you can get by for so long by simply cleaning the heatsink from dust

pastes last pretty long

[hollow beacon]

all around build or prebuilt for like $1000-1200?

[olive bobcat]

Any specific needs? RGB, nvidia, AMD, intel, etc

[hollow beacon]

i mean obviously i would like my pc to look nice but im really just going for a good high fps experience pc looks isnt the biggest part

also i want a rtx graphics card like has to be that and 32 gigs ddr5 ram

im willing to spend more than that but thats kind of what i wanted

so really my only preference is geforce graphics card and 32 gigs ram basically just want to be able to run any game at like 240 fps on high or ultra

sorry for the yap and repetition

[heady stratus]

On 1080p, 1440p, or 4k

also a big distinction

[hollow beacon]

idk im not big on tech to be honest so i would just say 1440

[heady stratus]

See the problem is, NVIDIA scaled their GFX so you have to buy a 4070/5070 or better for 1440p or better gaming

8GB VRAM is not enough

[hollow beacon]

i want a 50 series

[heady stratus]

But you said prebuilt, that adds an extra $300-500 to the costs

Yeah you'd want minimum the 5070 with 12 GB VRAM for max setting 1440p gaming

[hollow beacon]

im willing to build shouldve said that but prebuilt was prefered

whats the difference between like 5060 and 5070 for example i dont get it

[heady stratus]

With the new DLSS and frame generation built in, the only limit would be your Resolution in games with that card

the higher resolution you play in , 1080p VS 4k, your VRAM usage will be higher, when your VRAM hits a limit that it cannot go past, it throttles the card, and slows it down

Then you get frame skips, lag, etc

or just lower frames

[hollow beacon]

dude im not trying to be rude or anything but when i say dont know tech i dont know tech like this all sounds gibberish to me

[heady stratus]

Say for instance i'm running on a 3090 with 24GB VRAM, I was playing FF7 Remake and it was pulling 16GB of VRAM

That means i still had 8GB of headroom

If you buy a 5060 and its only got 8gb of VRAM, and your game is using 8GB of VRAM, it's gonna tank the performance

[hollow beacon]

okay i understand kind of

[vital oriole]

just keep in mind that dlss and frame gen also consumes more vram

[cerulean rover]

Primary difference for performance is more cores, secondary is more vram (and more memory bandwidth), which can matter a lot more at higher resolutions

[heady stratus]

Ray Tracing is Expensive, Path Tracing, even more so

[hollow beacon]

i just want to run my games at high settings while being high settings.

i mean

high fps

sorry

[cerulean rover]

At 1080p, the performance difference is just from the more cores, at 1440p, it's game dependent, but if a game needs more vram than 8gb at 1440p, the performance difference can be as much as 2x as the 5060 struggles to keep every texture in vram

[heady stratus]

^^ I'd stay shop for a minimum 5070 - less regrets later

[cerulean rover]

Higher settings = more that needs to be stored in vram

[heady stratus]

one of the new I5 series or AMD processors would be fine too, mini ITX boards are okay if you're on a budget

Definitely 32 GB DDR5 minimum

[hollow beacon]

minimmummmm??

i thought that was alot

[cerulean rover]

Unfortunately not anymore

[hollow beacon]

so the 1200 budget is out of mind now im hearing

[heady stratus]

Noooo still possible if you get all the right parts for the right price

[cerulean rover]

It's a tight budget but it can be doable, especially with some deals

[heady stratus]

Atleast this isn't during the Ethereum Bitcoin mining days and GPU's are plentiful and sometimes even on salle

Storage becomes an issue too i suppose

a 1TB M2 runs about $150 anymore new

[hollow beacon]

soo what should i get for the build

should i get parts off ebay or is that risky

[heady stratus]

I would never recommend buying PC parts off Ebay,

1TB M2 ($150), Intel I5 Chip ($150), 32 GB DDR5 is the problem, that shits expensive ($400), 5070 (With Tax) $700, Board ($80), PSU ($80), Case ($50-150)

So yeah maybe breaking the bank more than you expected if you're starting from scratch and have no existing components

[hollow beacon]

1,700$ yikes

you sure ebay is that bad

[hollow beacon]

also are these like how much they cost at most? or average price i guess in bos

box

[heady stratus]

Problem with eBay is there's no warranty, no guarantee that what you're buying hasn't been abused or has some hidden fault

In the long run you're not saving much either for that peace of mind having something that's atleast been re-certified/refurbished professionally

[hollow beacon]

where do i find profesionally refurbished?

and where do most people get their parts matterfact

[heady stratus]

just randomly, some things are sold and they those listed

*Looks at the name of the Discord Server 🙂 *

[hollow beacon]

yeah i didnt think of that one real hard

[heady stratus]

NewEgg has a parts picker feature on their website to help you customize a setup

[hollow beacon]

the builder

this stresses me out ngl

[cerulean rover]

Main source of savings would be microcenter bundles

Can generally get a ~$400 bundle with cpu mobo and ram, that shaves off ~$200

[hollow beacon]

sounds good

only intel and amd bundles? or are there more hidden

[cerulean rover]

Wdym

[hollow beacon]

and which one should i go for?

wait

[hollow beacon]

can i send u a picture of one of the bundles and you tell me if its good or not?

or in one of these channels

[cerulean rover]

Ye

You can also just link it

[hollow beacon]

mb

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5007394/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-asus-b650e-max-gaming-wifi-am5,-corsair-vengeance-rgb-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

[cerulean rover]

A bit of a stretch for your budget but yes it would be good if it fits your budget

[hollow beacon]

whats not a stretch

[cerulean rover]

Tbh this is the cheapest still with 32gb
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5007294/intel-core-ultra-7-265kf,-asus-z890-ayw-gaming-wifi-w,-crucial-pro-32gb-ddr5-6400-kit,-computer-build-bundle
But at these prices this would be more reasonable for your budget
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5007382/amd-ryzen-5-7600x3d,-asus-b650e-max-gaming-wifi-am5,-gskill-flare-x5-series-16gb-ddr5-6000,-computer-build-bundle

[hollow beacon]

is the second one only 1x stick of ram? or 2 8 gb ones

if its one wouldnt i be better off buying the more expensive one you sent

ngl i just saw shipping is not an option for either of these and the nearest microcenter is like 4 hours away

[cerulean rover]

Yes, single 16gb stick

Unfortunately that's about the best you'll be able to get for the budget

You can always try scouring fb marketplace for your local area but there's no guaranteed results

[heady stratus]

You can blame AI for the cost of RAM

I bought 128GB of DDR4 about 5 years ago for around $250, it costs about $1000 + now

[hollow beacon]

ok thanks but i have a new question i have this laptop right now(i got it on sale a while ago)

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenovo-loq-15-6-full-hd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-7235hs-2023-12gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4050-512gb-ssd-luna-grey/JJGSH8KPYR/sku/6617097

and i thought it would be better i can only run MINECRAFT at like 144fps and it still tears BAD

and rn for some reason i can only run 60 fps

[heady stratus]

Make sure that in games where you see screen tearing, it's usually a VSYNC issue

just turn on VSYNC If you see screen tearing and match your Screen resolution refresh rate to your FPS (144 hz - 144fps)

[molten cosmos]

^

Vsync is key

[heady stratus]

Was at Walmart today, staring at this price tag wondering how the 5070 and 5080 command a $700 price difference going from just 12gb vram to 16gb....

[round zinc]

You're missing a step with the 5070ti. The msrps were $550, $750, $1000. 5080 is much further over msrp than 5070 is.

Nvidias naming for 40 and 50 series has been kind of bad too.

[molten cosmos]

I feel 1249 is a good price for a 5080. I see those going for like 2000 lol

[round zinc]

12-1300 is pretty normal in the current market. There will be some priced higher but even $1200 is pretty steep.

[molten cosmos]

Turns out I was wrong. I didn't know that

I wish things were sold for their msrp lol

[torn garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agOFPSwbaiU

[cerulean rover]

Most of the price difference there isn't from the vram, it's from the die itself, the die itself is ~50% bigger with about ~75% more cores

[naive flicker]

1300 smackers for a passable amount of vram

[vital oriole]

that's the way gaming is these days

[vital oriole]

minecraft without any optimization mods runs badly

4050 in the loq should get 100 fps easily with a shader in minecraft with iris

and with many other optimization/enhancement mods such as distant horizons

however the cpu is the factor that limits you in this case

7235hs is a quad core cpu

[craggy condor]

at least it's zen3 plus

[vital oriole]

that's one good thing about it at least

[heady stratus]

Playing RE Requiem at 4k max settings, I've yet to have a game get over 18k VRAM usage

[torn garden]

That is why there are no discussion regarding if 16 is enough or not

[molten cosmos]

Space marine 2 at 4k according to the Internet will use up to 20gb vram

Maybe try 4k widescreen

[forest oasis]

get on vr

[heady stratus]

I have a meta 3, been playing bunch of PCVR games. Tried the new FlatOut -looks amazing but screws with my Vertigo hardcore

I'm working on metro awakening currently

[forest oasis]

lmao

[nocturne marlin]

Would really like a couple second opinions.

GPU] PNY GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Overclocked 16GB GDDR7 - $419.99 NEW

VS.

Used 3080TI. $460-470 with shipping

[vital oriole]

5060ti, easily

[nocturne marlin]

Ok yeah, I was telling my wife it’s a crazy deal to go grab it, but then I read 3080ti used is like 30% more raw power and not too different in price so I’m like shit I dunno now and started second guessing. What is your reasoning on the 5060ti easily? Just so I feel better about giving her the right recommendation lol

[vital oriole]

it's newer, so that means it'll be supported longer. it also has more vram at 16gb that'll keep the gpu relevant for a good while

not to say that 12gb isn't a small amount, assuming it's 1080p gaming

with some 1440p depending on titles

[nocturne marlin]

She just got a new 1440p oled monitor

[vital oriole]

but if your wife doesn't mind the older card, paying more for more performance is probably the way to go

12gb is still fine for 1440p

[nocturne marlin]

She doesn’t mind an older card which is why I asked originally lol 🤣

[vital oriole]

fair point

[nocturne marlin]

Now I’m confused all over again lol

[vital oriole]

then i see why not, 3080ti it is

sorry for the confusion

or a 4070 would be a good card too. at the right price, that is

[nocturne marlin]

I should have maybe also mentioned her current PSU is 650w

[vital oriole]

which cpu does she run currently?

[nocturne marlin]

I7-7700K

[vital oriole]

hmm, the 3080ti shouldn't cause any issues as long as the psu is of decent quality

last i remember from the top of my head, it has transients reaching around 300-400w

[nocturne marlin]

Z270 Xtreme4 mobo

[vital oriole]

650w should have more than enough headroom

worry free option is like i mentioned, finding a 4070

it's much more efficient while perfoming not too far from the 3080ti

you're looking at 200w vs 300-350w average power consumption (4070 vs 3080ti respectively)

[nocturne marlin]

Was looking between the $350-$450 range max

[vital oriole]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226905319747

this one's right on the money, 449

i'm not in the us, so i'm not sure if shipping is free for you

it's a refurb unit, so it comes with warranty

[nocturne marlin]

Ok understood, 5060ti does have Blackwell and it’s really splitting hairs at 4070. What really got me was the 3080ti having 30% more raw performance I was like, uhhhhh

[vital oriole]

the 4070 closes the gap while providing you the efficiency of ada

it sits comfortably between 3080 and 3080ti

[nocturne marlin]

She doesn’t change her stuff out often and just didn’t want to buy something that in 2 years her pc would be stuttering on high graphics

[vital oriole]

3080ti is still faster than the 4070, but the gap is not as far as 30% when pitted against 5060ti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAxRrC55ebs

have this video as food for thought

[solemn panther]

Ah....I remember my 3080ti. Very hot times

86C

[heady stratus]

I've been able to keep my memory junction temps around 90 under full load and my GPU around 70 with my Mini Copper heatsink mod on my asus 3090

Idle right now it sits at 40C

[solemn panther]

My core temps where 86

As for memory..... idk

[heady stratus]

oof, one sec i'll show you the setup i use

[heady stratus]

See how I layered the mini heatsinks in arrays?

Then the fans are set to exhaust, so they just pull the air as they sit on top of the heatsinks

The fans themself are plugged right into the 3090, which i like that the card even had that option

[solemn panther]

You took off the backplate!!? I've never seen anything like it

Holy 🐄

[heady stratus]

this is all mounted on top of the back plate, the memory chips are right underneath it and the heatsinks are drawing heat directly from the memory chip arrays on the card

[solemn panther]

Wow

[heady stratus]

2 noctua fans cranked up to 100% constant, dropped my temps by up to 15C peak

[solemn panther]

Incredible

I would dust your PC

[heady stratus]

Yeah, I've got a datavac, but that doesn't remove the fine dust

i'd have to get in there with Q tips

[solemn panther]

Hmm

[naive bane]

What is the reason we don't have Nvidia SLI anymore? Will it return? Can it return?

[craggy condor]

awful scheduling. why have a higher FPS when it plays like a lower one? probably not. in a way, through MCM GPUs rather than true discrete GPUs

[forest oasis]

technically still exists, but as nvlink and exclusive to server/workstation cards pretty much now

the technology has proven itself to be basically completely useless for gaming

especially with how fast single gpus are now

[cerulean rover]

SLI/Crossfire needs to make sense for 3 parties to make a return.
First, for consumers, it's already out of reach for 90% of consumers because of the price of needing 2 GPUs, needing a better PSU, and needing to get a compatible motherboard, along with other considerations like heat and electricity cost. There are very few consumers that just happen to already have 2 identical GPUs and want to use SLI for gaming, and there are even fewer may buy another if it was supported. It also needs to provide enough of a performance uplift on the software side for those consumers to even be interested in getting another GPU for SLI, and implementations in the past have failed at that.

Then, for developers, there needs to be a big enough section of the player base who already has this hardware setup that might make it make sense for them to develop something to accommodate SLI/Crossfire, and then the development timeline will get extended if they want to accommodate this small section of the player base. This also leads to very inconsistent results on the software side, requiring a ton of time and commitment, otherwise you get something like Fallout 4's SLI implementation, where you lose performance with 2 GPUs compared to running a singular GPU lol (In testing with 1080tis back in the day)

Lastly, for manufacturers, it needs to make sense for them to spend months of development making the driver compatible, along with making the hardware compatible (modern GPUs need way more bandwidth, which will necessitate another development like the old SLI bridges), just for the tiny payoff of potentially less than 1% of their gaming audience to maybe buy another GPU. And as a reminder, gaming is now <5% of Nvidia's total revenue, why should they chase after <1% of <5% and put months of development work into that?

[heady stratus]

But.... my dream of 2 Strix 3090s 🙁

[random walrus]

I wonder if we'll see a sort of return but via one card doing the rendering and another doing the upscaling and frame gen

I think you can do that with LSFG but it would be cool to see it work with dlss and fsr

[hot bough]

LSFG does indeed have this capability. The main issue is that it has noticable latency unless you generate a significant number of frames.

[craggy condor]

not any real need to with how much low precision float and matrix performance modern GPUs have. 9070xt has like 1500 TOPs or something. given enough vram you can pretty easily run a small LLM, upscale, and create ai voice (for the LLM generated dialogue) at the same time without really touching the shaders

imo that's probably where gamibg is going next, we just need better models and wayyy more vram. iirc PS6 is supposed to have 30/48GB standard for the handheld and full console respectively, so that should help

[random walrus]

Especially with dlss4 we're seeing that it's possible to make & run better upscaling models, just at higher performance penalties. It would be nice to offload that to another gpu

Also potentially if it was done as a sort of smaller accelerator style card, then people on older generations (like Nvidia 20 series or the int16 AMD gpus) could drop in a newer generation accelelerators

That sounds awfully consumer friendly though, so I doubt we'll be seeing it lmao

[craggy condor]

that's more of a latency thing not really throughput. you'd be massively increasing latency by talking across PCIE bus from one device to another

and with regard to overall throughput, like i said 9070 xt even has like 1500 TOPs

[sinful bobcat]

Thinking if I should get a 1060 or 1070

~My wallet, my wallet is telling me no... But my body is telling me yeees~

[graceful frost]

1070

[brittle heron]

RX 580

Freesync monitors are cheaper

RX580 is cheaper than the 1060 and between the 1060 and 1070 in performance

Just do it

200 bucks

That's how cheap one of the 8gb versions is!!!

[sinful bobcat]

🤔

[valid crypt]

1080ti

Quick

While they still exist

[brittle heron]

$400 minimum for a used one

😩

[graceful frost]

I’m still using a 970 so I’d say get anything that beats that lol

[brittle heron]

RX580

I'm pushing so hard for everyone to go AMD lol

[graceful frost]

I don’t have anything against AMD I Just favor intel for some (probably dumb) reason

[valid crypt]

You'll never push me onto AMD GPUs. Many have tried, all have failed.

[brittle heron]

After you've had the power of a 1080ti, it's hard to go back

[graceful frost]

GPUs I’m NVidia all the way lol

[brittle heron]

But right now AMD owns the midrange

IMO, the RX580 is a far better value than any 1060 will ever be

[graceful frost]

Good thing I have a 970 🤣

[brittle heron]

Still a decent card, I have friends who have 950s. I however, have none...

But not for long!

Hopefully

[valid crypt]

I'd be more than happy to rock AM4, but Nvidia all the way. Crimson software kills me

EVERY.

TIME.

[brittle heron]

smh, $1200 paperweight

[jaunty jewel]

what about a amd radeon 7850 graphic card?

[brittle heron]

Ask Steve, I'm only aware of current gen...

[valid crypt]

Never met a person with a 7000 series GPU in my heyday so couldnt tell ya

Knew ppl with GTS 9000 series, gtx 200s, etc

[jaunty jewel]

i had a tower from newegg it was an ibuypower

took out the graphic card, and replaced it with that.

even had an hauppage tv tuner card.

[valid crypt]

An upgrade from what was in it, for sure.

But the last prebuilt I bought from a store was a Compaq in 98'

[jaunty jewel]

this was back in er..... 2012?

2010?

[valid crypt]

~$2.somethingk

Dont even remember the full cost, but it was over $2k

[jaunty jewel]

i know its horrible , but im running a nvidia gt force 490

[valid crypt]

My emotes T-T

[jaunty jewel]

pooor you

lol

[brittle heron]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-HD-7850/Rating/2182

Benchmarks for the 7850

[valid crypt]

Im looking to pick up a gpu hopefully by Christmas

[brittle heron]

Lol, I'm looking to build a system by christmas

[jaunty jewel]

I KNEW it was either 2010 or 2012.

[valid crypt]

Im going full custom cooling loop, so unfortunately cant have it by xmas T-T

[brittle heron]

Heh

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dhennion/saved/XVrmqs

That's my plan

[jaunty jewel]

i know this is in the wrong chanel, but is there any towers that are completly plain, and yet big enough to handle most mobos, that are under 100?

just the chasis alone.

[brittle heron]

NZXT h500, any ThermalTake ATX case

Have you ever used pcpartpicker.com?

It's super useful

[jaunty jewel]

i havent, but then im also not really smart on what i want

[valid crypt]

@brittle heron solid build, not thrilled with that captain aio, but if you must lol

[jaunty jewel]

the case looks big but with the glass/plastic opening isnt what im looking for.

when i say plain i meant solid metal.

nothing fancy, no lights, no nothing

[brittle heron]

@valid crypt buuuuuuuut aesthetics

[jaunty jewel]

think of a dell middle school tower.

[valid crypt]

No acrylic side panel?

[jaunty jewel]

Nothing. just solid peice of square metal.

[valid crypt]

Bad cheeseburger!

[brittle heron]

Chez*

[jaunty jewel]

or rectangle.

whatever.

[valid crypt]

CHIZ

[jaunty jewel]

icanhazcheeseburgers.

[brittle heron]

Oof, egg bot just scolded me

Heh

Too many S's after aesthetics matter

[sinful bobcat]

You're an S

[jaunty jewel]

and also, what is this? Rs.6,055

what kind of currency is rs?

[sinful bobcat]

That's like rupees, yeah?

[jaunty jewel]

i wouldnt know im a usd user.

[sinful bobcat]

Check the top right of the website... Make sure it's set to USA

[brittle heron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JcgPxr/corsair-270r-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011106-ww#viewImages

@jaunty jewel