graphics-cards

[cold fox]

340-360 base tdw, i believe with oc thats up to 400

[hot bough]

I see. I need to also replace my PSU, I plan to get the Corsair SF1000

[cold fox]

sfx case?

[hot bough]

Yes/no.

[cold fox]

mini matx?

[hot bough]

Two reasons.

1. I fly with my pc a lot so I want to downsize in general
2. Very well rated PSU
3. The case I am getting in the future is the SSUPD Meshroom S with the extension and legs

[cold fox]

ahhhh i love that case

tbh, the coolermaster v850 is also A tier and like 100$ cheaper

[hot bough]

I like it because it's just barely within Carry-On limits for United Airline.

While fitting full size parts.

@fickle glade, do you know if the 9070xt XFX Mercury supports dual bios? Part of me is debating the idea of flashing a higher powered bios if that exists.

[cold fox]

yes but they have to be identical

oh wait

app you can change it?

idk

better to assume it doenst

[hot bough]

What do you mean by "app"?

[cold fox]

apparently

but i guess not

[hot bough]

In any case, from what I can tell the 9070xt XFX Mercury has the highest TDP/Boost bios of all the models

So the only way to get it higher is to mod the bios

[cold fox]

and no 12v

[hot bough]

Which is beyond my skill sets.

[cold fox]

you can +10% pl on it

[hot bough]

So with max power limit it's what a 450w card?

[cold fox]

should be ~400 i think?

[hot bough]

Site doesn't show an answer but google has searches saying 380-400 watts

So assuming 400 watts a +10% increase will be 440w.

[cold fox]

it should be 400 after the 10%

[hot bough]

Oh okay.

Not as bad.

[cold fox]

yeah

i would get this card imo

[naive flicker]

Get out

@little sleet sick em

[little sleet]

why it no auto delete

gotta manual delete

[naive flicker]

Can we get a trap channel please

[little sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-bird-trap-bird-trap-bird-cope-gif-9878295031528154539

[naive flicker]

Yes

Precisely like that

[hot bough]

@cold fox do you know if there is any performance difference between the XFX: Magnetic vs Gaming?

To my understanding the two perform the same but the Magnetic has fans that are very easy to replace and possibly longer warranty.

[hot bough]

<@&525119001324683264> have any of you tried running an AMD and Nvidia GPU at the same time? I am debating running the 9070xt with my RTX 3070 if possible for Blender and to use the two in tandem for frame generation which I heard can be done using the Lossless Frame Generation software on steam.

[sonic holly]

I have no experience with running AMD AND NVIDIA at the same time, but I have had a dual GPU setp for over 2 years now (3090 and 3060ti 16GB). They can be useful for some things, but useless for others. If you want to do something like blender or lossless scaling, keep in mind that you need fast PCIe, otherwise the second card will be useless (as is the case with mine, my 3060ti 16GB is only on 1x gen 3, so its 1GB/s, making it uselss for most things)

[hot bough]

I see. My board has 5.0x16 for Slot 1 and 4.0x4 in slot 4 which is a full size slot.

[sonic holly]

That might be fast enough then actually

I have no idea how AMD and NVIDIA could cause issues tho. I know that 2 NVIDIA GPU's can be a bit of a pain to keep working reliabily as is

[hot bough]

I don't expect to use both GPUs for gaming outside of frame gen

But I was thinking that maybe using the 3070 and 9070xt at the same time may be beneficial for Blender.

[sonic holly]

That I highly doubt. I used blender for many years, and I don't see any way in which you could have a scene rendered with both HIP and Optix, personally

plus that 3070 likely shreds teh 9070XT for ray rendering even with HIP

[hot bough]

Anyway to share the Vram?

[sonic holly]

not in something like blender, and especially not across brands, no

At least from what I know. I don't know of any programs that work that way outside of the open source Ai community

open source AI can do some crazy crap with VRAM and multi GPU, but I don't think mainstream programs have any level of that functionality yet

[hot bough]

Damn. What gave me an idea is that a friend I knew said the company he worked at years ago had developed some CAD software to pool stuff like Vram from multiple GPUs together

So I was hoping that was an option.

[sonic holly]

its usually possible with bespoke software, drivers, and specialized hardware, like an NVIDIA Quadro

[hot bough]

So it sounds like, my best bet is use the 3070 for Blender, 9070xt for gaming, and possibly be able to use both for Frame Gen using Lossless Scaling?

[sonic holly]

Yeah, I would say so

[hot bough]

And I guess albeit not ideal if I am working on a scene that needs +8GB of VRAM in Blender I can just switch to the 9070xt despite slower speed

[sonic holly]

3070 for rende,r 9070xt for gaming, 9070XT for native frames and 3070 for lossless scaling frames

[sonic holly]

Yeah, that seems reasonable

I have no idea if the 9070XT is actually slower, they may have made some big strides with HIP. Its been a long time since I have used blender as is

[hot bough]

Do you think the CORSAIR SF1000 can handle a 9950x3D, 3070, and a 400w 9070xt?

If I do buy a 9070 I am gonna get the XFX Mercury which can draw up to about 400w.

Did some dirty math.

300w (9950x3D) + 400w (9070xt) + 220w (3070) = 920w not including power draw from the fans, pump, SSD, or spikes.

[sonic holly]

it would be very smart to power optimize the cards. Especially for stuff like renderind

I do local AI, and power optimization is a huge thing

my 3090 can use 430 watts, but capping it to 250 watts gets me within 99% of the same performance

[hot bough]

I see. Sounds like I may make two separate profiles. One for daily and one for rendering.

[sonic holly]

same thing with rendering. Also, you are not likely to hit yopur CPU, and both GPU's all at the same time with a transient spike. I would assume it would be fine

I have a 1200 watt PSU, and it handles my use case fine (Granted, mine is a lot more optimized)

I have a 12600k, 3090, and a 3060ti 16GB, so they can all transient spike together and its perfectly fine. In real world my 12600k is undervolted, 3090 is power limited, and 3060ti is clock locked

[hot bough]

Question, do you think 5.43-5.45Ghz all core with cache/FPU enabled for the V-Cache CCD is good? Roughly 120w power draw.

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

I plan to overclock the hell out of the 9070xt hence the reason I chose the XFX Mercury. My 3070 can't overclock to save it's silicon heart.

[sonic holly]

Just as long as you realize that overclocking is a monumental waste of power and leads to faster hardware death, then by all means, go for it 😅

if you just want faster, then fair enough lol

[hot bough]

I enjoy it, and have always had good luck with performance uplifts.

My RAM OC albeit obnoxious netted me about 20% better .1% and .01% lows in games with a minor bump of about 6% to average highs.

CPU tuning has been a complete headache on this 9950x3D. Each core has such wildly different voltage tolerances.

Doing about 5.55Ghz all core on V-Cache CCD with the Cache isn't overly stressed.

Mostly heat limited.

[onyx zinc]

I know the 60 series cards get a lot of hate, but 2018-2020 me would have been through the roof with excitement for a card like this back then. And yes, it’s the 16GB model.

[sacred crow]

Do 60 series cards in general get a lot of hate? I thought a lot of hate is just the current GPU landscape compared to what it used to be.

60 series are probably the most bought gpu from Nvidia.

[torn garden]

I don't remember the 16gb 5060ti getting any hate

[cerulean rover]

5060ti 8gb still got a lot of deserved hate

[random walrus]

This is not universally true

The 9070 and 9070xt both OC very well

And as long as you don't mess with voltage and stay at safe temps, the lifespan is unaffected

[hot bough]

Well answered.

I also wish to add that, so long as the positive voltage applied isn't obnoxious the hardware will still last a long time. Take my D5 Hynix A RAM for example, I've been running 1.65v VDD for two years and 1.85v VDD on it for about 9 months now. No degradation at all. As per my 9950x3D I've run a positive +25mv offset on it for a year with no signs of wear and 1.27v VDDG with 1.2v VDDP. Long story short is that, even though technically more voltage means a shorter lifespan, the hardware can still last many years before showing signs of wear.

[round zinc]

Didn't you say you wanted to get a meshroom? How are you planning to run dual GPU?

[hot bough]

Can run one in the back and in the front with some tinkering about.

Also the back has two mounting positions for a GPU.

[round zinc]

Doesn't the psu block the secondary pcie slots? Or is there somewhere else to puit it?

[hot bough]

@round zinc
I can put one on the left and one on the right side.

[hot bough]

PSU if it's SFX can go in the front.

This is the case without the extender to show the other GPU mounting position.

Now the bigger issue is going to be thermals with two air cooled GPUs next to each other.

[cold fox]

Nah

[onyx zinc]

Only problem with the 5060TI 16GB, as with any GPU, is the price. It’s too close to the now available 450-500$ 5070’s and at their 429$ MSRP get beat out by the similarly priced 4070, or up to 100+$ cheaper 3080

[olive bobcat]

And the 9060XT 16GB trades blows in every newer game on the market

Against it

[naive flicker]

get rekt

@royal copper @vital oriole git em

[heady plover]

what parts of a laptop gpu detect and determine voltage and amperage? is it on the gpu die? or is it an external thing? if a pc believes its gpu is constantly using 800watts and therefore wont give it more power and its been determined that its 100% not software or firmware then could it be solved by replacing broken hardware?? there are people who are skilled and do things like gpu swaps on laptops. could a similar thing be done but specifically for the power delivery/detection?? i dont actually plan on doing any of this btw. its an issue im having but not an issue i plan/need to fix.

[tawny pendant]

I am looking for some help, my son's pc started acting up today. It turns on, it posts, I can see ethernet activity however the graphics card will not stay on. The fans spin for a few seconds after start up but then stop. I'm at a loss on where to even start.

I'm not sure if it is the GPU or the power supply

[round zinc]

So it thinks it's using 800w even when it's idle and throttles itself terribly? Find a board view, figure out where the shunt resistor is at and check it.

[round zinc]

Fans turning off on GPU is normal, basically all modern gpus have a zero rpm mode. What do you mean by it posts then turns off?

[heady plover]

yeah it does. id do it but honestly i have very little knowledge of electronics at this size. i dont know how to read the sheets ive seen so far and i dont know which resistors to start probing

[sacred crow]

This looks like a classic scam.

[naive flicker]

@royal copper @vital oriole there's two

[dawn onyx]

why is the 4060lp going for way more than the 5060lp these days?

[round zinc]

Things that are out of production go up in price instead of completely out of stock. It's just how amazon and other big online marketplaces work because of weird incentives and penalties on the sellers.

[dawn onyx]

But even second hand market comps are weirdly high for that card

There WAS an advantage but thankfully nvidia quietly added the physx 32 bit support back recently

[naive flicker]

@vital oriole

[regal path]

hello i have a very stupid question, how DO i upgrade my pc's GPU? i never had a PC this long before, im wanting to upgrade it but how do i know what will work with the motherboard? what factors should i know before making a choice on what GPU to get . . .

[rain frigate]

The important information ℹ️ you will need to find. Is information about your motherboard to know what the specifications of your motherboard and what limitations your working with.

The other factor on a GPU upgrade is based on your power supply (PSU). You need to know how many Watts your PSU can output.

@regal path a great website to check out is PCPartPicker.com

[regal path]

how do i find out the watts on the PSU? is there like a sticker on the it?

[rain frigate]

Most likely there's sticker on the PSU

Sometimes it'll be even labeled on it in regards to how many watts you have

[regal path]

im going to assume that W means Watts so 12.5 ???

^ i see im wrong XD

[round zinc]

Can you take a picture of it?

[regal path]

ya hold on

[round zinc]

Not letting you post a picture? I can't remember if it's this server where you have to have a role first.

[regal path]

i cant post pictures here Q_Q

[round zinc]

You can dm it to me and I'll post it.

It's 750W.

[regal path]

thanks ^^

[round zinc]

Not a great model though. What gpu were you planning to upgrade to?

[regal path]

RTX 3050 or RTX 3060 Q_Q

[round zinc]

Should be fine for something in that power range. A used gpu? The pricing on those is pretty bad for new ones.

They're two generations old and still go for basically full price.

[regal path]

im looking at new but i would not mine getting a used one

also would a 3060 be better then the 50?

[round zinc]

Significantly. Check the prices on 5060 or 9060xt though. Those are a lot faster than a 3060 and they are all around $300.

[regal path]

oh? would they work with my motherboard tho?

[round zinc]

Yeah. All gpus use the same connector to the motherboard, pcie. The generation can be different but it's backwards compatible. Like pcie gen 5 works fine in a gen 3 slot. You lose some bandwidth in the connection but it's usually not significant unless you're also playing a game that's trying to use more vram than you have available.

[regal path]

fair XD

[olive bobcat]

@regal path what’s your budget for gpu upgrade?

[quiet escarp]

@olive bobcat You available for a quick question

[olive bobcat]

Always

[quiet escarp]

ok so

basically

[olive bobcat]

32

[quiet escarp]

Prebuilts are like $200 cheaper than building

https://www.newegg.com/skytech-gaming-desktop-pcs-geforce-rtx-5070-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-32gb-ddr5-1tb-nvme-ssd-st-king95-1594-b-al-black/p/3D5-000Z-00241?item=9SIA1HJKDD2330

Whats your thoughts on this

I put it in PC Part Piccker

exact specs

$100-$200 more

I basically did an anaylsis and found out prebuilts are currently cheaper

due to memory and storage prices

@olive bobcat Let me know what you think

[olive bobcat]

If that works for you, go ahead

[quiet escarp]

I want your expert opinion

[olive bobcat]

Just make sure there’s no other cheaper option

[quiet escarp]

If you have better parts, a better prebuilt, or want me to build one

I built my previous pc

Just any suggestions from Mr roomba

@mighty island any thoughts, I used to love your advice from 1-2 years ago

[olive bobcat]

Check this out on @Newegg:Yeyian Gaming Desktop Phoenix Tempered Glass Intel Core i9-14900KF GeForce RTX 5070 – Ai Powered 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RGB 2 TB NVMe SSD 240mm AIO Windows 11 Home - YPI-PG49KFC-5701N https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-warriors-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-5070-intel-core-i9-14900kf-32gb-ddr5-2tb-nvme-ssd-phoenix-tempered-glass/p/N82E16883630085?item=N82E16883630085

Check this out on @Newegg:CyberpowerPC Gaming Desktop PC GM70929 AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 32GB DDR5 2TB NVMe SSD AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Windows 11 Home 64-bit https://www.newegg.com/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-pc-amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-32gb-ddr5-2tb-nvme-ssd-gm70929-black/p/N82E16883230895?item=N82E16883230895

I’d honestly suggest this second one

[quiet escarp]

But I was told from people in this server that cyber company has bad parts

[olive bobcat]

1tb more storage
Same cpu
(Imo) better gpu

[quiet escarp]

and they cheap out?

[olive bobcat]

Just replace the PSU

That’s usually it in my experience

[quiet escarp]

I know for a fact this is better

my only issue is Cyberpower

likes to cheap out on other parts

yk

not just the PSU

[olive bobcat]

This is what someone else got

Ram is meh, and same with PSU. But it’s better than the one you posted.

[quiet escarp]

your def right, but would you buy this even tho the parts are better

but risking the other parts?

because I do not want to change the PSU

etc

[olive bobcat]

Yeah
If anything, psus are still relatively cheap. Resell the one you get in the prebuilt

Montech century is a solid PSU

@naive flicker isn’t the century 3 the good one?

[naive flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

I have no idea

I didn't even know montech made psus

[quiet escarp]

@olive bobcat and you wouldnt recommend building it right

since it is probably more

[olive bobcat]

Yeah at the moment

[naive flicker]

Rx 7900xts are at $580 rn..

When are prices expected to surge again?

[mighty island]

think cyberpower is fine these days

but yeah we live in some interesting times where prebuilts can be cheaper than custom

[quiet escarp]

Would you suggest buying a prebuilt, building it on your own, or you can find the best pc under at 2k or less?

[mighty island]

these ram prices...

[quiet escarp]

want your expert opinion mr mushroom

[mighty island]

working rn so I don't have too much time to look but think you can do better than that

https://www.newegg.com/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-5070-amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-32gb-ddr5-1tb-nvme-ssd-gm70928-black/p/N82E16883230894

[quiet escarp]

please, whenever you got time. You can either dm me or @ me

[mighty island]

pretty good price for a 5070 system

that still has x3d

not much diff between 7800x3d and 9800x3d paired with a 5070

https://www.newegg.com/msi-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-5070-amd-ryzen-7-8700f-32gb-ddr5-1tb-nvme-ssd-aegis-z2-c8nvp-1656us/p/N82E16883151782

[quiet escarp]

would there be another thats better pc if I added $300-$500 extra?

[mighty island]

1400 for a 5070 system if you don't care about x3d

https://www.newegg.com/msi-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-amd-ryzen-7-8700f-32gb-ddr5-2tb-nvme-ssd-aegis-z2-a8nvr-1611us/p/N82E16883151781

msi has a 5070ti system for 1700 too but no x3d

don't see any deals on x3d + 5070ti

[quiet escarp]

my only requirements is that it needs to be x3d + have an extra PCIE slot

is there other websites other than newegg

or is newegg the best

[mighty island]

can check amazon/best buy/micro center if you have a local micro center but don't rly have time to check that for you rn

[mighty island]

either way this one looks solid

there's an extra pcie slot there

[quiet escarp]

I do not

[mighty island]

7800x3d definitely a stronger gaming cpu than 8700f

[quiet escarp]

definitly. I currently have a 7800x3d and going to give the pc to my brother

4060ti

32GB DDR5 6000mhz

I dont want to downgrade

want to upgrade to a new one

[mighty island]

maybe grab that and save the extra money or treat yourself to nicer peripherals or something

it's definitely still an upgrade

7800x3d 5070

save $300 towards the next build when ram prices are hopefully sane lol

I just recommended a cyberpower to a friend and it's been fine

[quiet escarp]

your suggestions are awesome thats why I @ you

the games I will be playing

need a very strong CPU

thats a bigger priority than the gpu

[mighty island]

the way I see it as long as it's not a brand that does weird proprietary OEM stuff

the only brand related concern is their customer service

[quiet escarp]

whenever you got time I know your working

dont want to distract you

lmk when your free

[mighty island]

oh wow what happened to ssd prices

[mighty island]

yeah i don't think you can really beat this price with a custom build

[quiet escarp]

ssd prices are 2x

memory prices are 3x-4x

[mighty island]

i would just grab this, i don't think the diff between 7800x3d and 9800x3d is gonna justify the price increase

or since you know how to build pcs anyway maybe you can swap the cpu yourself and sell the 7800x3d if you really want maximum cpu performance

looking like around 2k to custom build a comparable 9800x3d 5070 system so even buying the prebuilt and doing a cpu swap yourself would end up cheaper lol

well

idk how much an open box 7800x3d sells for these days

i guess that would probably void your prebuilt's warranty though

i would just try out the 7800x3d 5070 prebuilt as is for a bit, make sure it's all working etc. then consider cpu swap later if you truly feel you need it

[quiet escarp]

bet preciate the info

[quiet escarp]

@mighty island https://www.costco.com/p/-/ibuypower-element-gaming-pc-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-12gb-windows-11-home-32gb-ram-2tb-ssd/4000384603?langId=-1

[mighty island]

looks good to me

[quiet escarp]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/698879/powerspec-g758-gaming-pc

This is EXACTLY what I want

😭

but the closest one is 80 MILES :C

[quiet escarp]

But IBuypower PSUs 😭

[mighty island]

80 miles not that bad of a drive for this big of a purchase

my nearest micro center used to be 400 miles

haven't heard of ibp psus being a problem recently, either way you have warranty

[quiet escarp]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/698879/powerspec-g758-gaming-pc?storeid=101

Isnt this like 100x better than all your other recommendations?

but I got to drive 80 miles..

[mighty island]

well yes, didn't check micro center cause you said you didn't have one local

[quiet escarp]

Mhm I might consider this, should I just buy this or do you have another pc recommendation from microcenter

[mighty island]

seems you know what you're looking for

[quiet escarp]

Got an electric car

Thanks for the info

[mighty island]

powerspec is solid

[quiet escarp]

Awesome thanks

[mighty island]

powerspec is micro center's store brand

[random walrus]

possibly the best prebuilts tbh

[quiet escarp]

On PC Part picker shits like 2.3k lol

to build it

1.8 on Micro

[quiet escarp]

my PC build of a 7800x3d and 4060ti went up $500. ITs the same price as a 5070 ti 9800x3d lol as the prebuilt

[ancient crystal]

so like

can i use commercial nvidia drivers with shit like bazzite and proton

[regal path]

im just window shopping, no idea how much im getting for the holidays and the rest i can cover with my card, again just depends on the holidays

[verbal mesa]

Question about 9070xt vs 9070. I was dumb and got persuaded into buying a 9070xt open box because they didn't have the asrock challenge 9070 that I wanted and the 9070 reaper was like $20-30 more expensive than the 9070xt I got before tax

I want to go back and return in and buy a 9070 instead because of the how much less power it uses compared to 9070xt

Thoughts about this? I plan on gaming on 1440p

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZZwfYd

Here is all the parts I currently purchased

[random walrus]

Nah whoever persuaded you was smart. Why pay more for a worse card

Power difference is negligible unless you live somewhere with super high electricity costs

[verbal mesa]

Wait actually?

I was looking at wattage tho it was about 50% jump in watts from 9070 to 9070xt

Like a tdp of 220W to 304W

Also with open box I'm little worried about warranty too. Although they said the warranty still exists for powercolor apparently (it starts from when first person bought it) I looked at the sight and the terms were saying how it's only for new items and orginal owner

But there are issues with asrock too, I read online saying their limited warranty for graphics cards is convaluated. Something about warranty being 1 years instead of 3 years

Gosh my brain is hurting

[random walrus]

I mean the warranty thing could be something to look into. But typically if the card works on arrival it isn't gonna randomly crap out on you later

Most of the US has super cheap electricity

[verbal mesa]

Ahh that's good to know. I never bought open box thing so I'm really anxious rn

I emailed powercolor about it yesterday hopefully they get back to me next week 🙏

Ah ok the electricity doesnt seem too bad at 12 cents kWh, Imma check my electricity I feel like it might be higher

I was just thinking since Im not going to be playing 4k anyways, might as well get 9070 non xt for the long term savings

Also I remember seeing vram temps being much better on the 9070 non xt in a few benchmarks so was concerned about that also. 9070xt from what I have observed from some benchmarks has the temps at ~90ish celcius although I have seen undervolted ones have much more sane temps

[round zinc]

They use the exact same memory config and speed so that would be some combination of cooler design and lower overall heat load.

The main thing to care about would be whether the warranty actually applies. If it does then the 9070xt has more cores and higher potential. You can power limit it and/or undervolt it and get same or better performance at that tbp range as a 9070.

[cold fox]

as long as the temps arent insanely high theyre not any huge factor, obv better temps are better but nothing worth worrying about when you alr have the card

[verbal mesa]

Ahh yeah the warranty is definitely on the top of my concerns. Hopefully they get back to me soon.

But yeah I do plan to undervolt if I keep the 9070xt but even then undervolting a 9070 will yield about the same difference 😭

Also the main thing is I feel that the 9070xt is too powerful. I'm only planning on doing 1440p gaming so I'm not sure if it's worth it for the extra power

[verbal mesa]

Gotcha, that's good to know.

[hot bough]

Me the guy who lived in California....

[verbal mesa]

Man.. I think microcenter people straight up lied to me

I asked in the Powercolor reddit where some of their staff is (I think they are staff) and they said they "dont really have a normal coverage for open box." but also mentioned if it is within 60 days I can ask them for help which is pretty nice

But no 2 year warranty is too scary for me I think 😭 I'm no expert with pcs and am worried I won't be able to troubleshoot problems

[naive flicker]

@little sleet spam? It's in multiple channels

[little sleet]

cant tell if bot or someone just waving in some channels in hopes someone replies

[vital oriole]

pc parts often don't have issues so short in their lifespan

especially with gpus

[solar walrus]

👋

[verbal mesa]

Ok that's good to know 😭 Do you know what's the best way to benchmark and stress test it to make sure it's running as intended?

[random walrus]

Furmark for thermal testing, 3Dmark or Unigine Superposition for stability

[verbal mesa]

What about steel nomad? I heard that one brought up alot

[random walrus]

Yeah that's a part of 3Dmark

[verbal mesa]

🫡

[solid glacier]

850w PSU or 1k wat PSU for a 5080 and 9800x3d

[round zinc]

A little extra never hurts. Usually not much of a price gap between the two either.

[gilded tangle]

id say 1k incase for whenever overclocking the ram sticks on higher speed

[torn garden]

Enough headroom with 850 for that rig but we never know what direction future hardware might take in terms of power consumption

3090 was inefficient 4090 efficient and now we are back to being sort of inefficient with the 5090

[round zinc]

The gaming power efficiency on 40 and 50 series is basically the same. Which isn't surprising because it's using the same node from tsmc and a lot of the architectural changes were to streamline ai crap and the switch to gddr7. Efficiency isn't really the problem with picking a psu though, it would be total system power and then maybe you account for bad transients on one generation. Like 30 series and radeon 6000 were both pretty terrible for spikes. Any new atx 3 certified psu is going to be capable of handling pretty ridiculous spikes though.
And the 5090 is the most power hungry consumer card we've seen afaik. I also wouldn't expect to see them make desktop cards that use more power than that. They seem pretty averse to putting two power plugs on a gpu now.

[verbal mesa]

I'm curious what's a sff graphics card from Nvidia for 1080p gaming and productivity?

Looking at these right now, does 1080p even need 16gb vram?

[hot bough]

No. 8GB is enough for the average FHD game, with 12GB being plenty.

[random walrus]

16gb 4060ti is really an ai / workstation card

[velvet grail]

this would have been less messy with a flexible sli bridge

[torn garden]

Nope but definitely needs more then 8

[vital oriole]

8 is still good for 1080p

even maxed out in some cases

but 8gb gpus typically don't have enough power to max out the latest AAA games at native 1080p anyway

[summer island]

What's up with PCle 3,4,5 x16
For GPU??

[half locust]

@hot bough

[round zinc]

Pcie is how the gpu talks to the cpu and from there the rest of the system like storage and ram. Pcie is cross compatible between generations, doesn't matter if it's gen 1 or gen 5 it'll still work. Each time you go up a generation the bandwidth doubles. The x16 part is the number of lanes in the connection. Pcie will always work at the lowest supported spec, eg a gen 3 x16 (lanes) gpu in a slot wired for gen 4 x4; you'd only have x4 lanes and they will run at the slower gen 3 speed; so a gen 3 x4 connection. Using a gpu on a motherboard/cpu that are a generation behind generally doesn't matter much, like gen 5 x16 in a gen 4 x16 slot will work fine. As that lack of bandwidth becomes more severe it's more likely to cause lost performance or stutters though.

[summer island]

It's all in motherboard right?
Or GPUs have different versions?😭😭🙏🏼

So 9060xt comes with PCIE 5.0
and which is the best motherboard??
Cpu = ryzen 5 9600x

[round zinc]

The best motherboard for you depends on if you care about any additional features like lots of usb ports, wifi, more than 2 m.2 ssd slots, a better audio chip, aesthetics, etc... And also size to fit a case. The main ones are standard atx, shorter micro-atx and small mini-itx.

Cpu and motherboard both determine how many lanes and what generation are supported. You don't have to worry about the cpu with a 9600x though. It's only the 8000 series cpus that have fewer and slower lanes available.

[summer island]

Best motherboard for 9600x with a possible upgrade option to 9800x3d?

[round zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VnLyDj These would all be pretty reasonable options.

If you plan to upgrade to a 9800x3d I'd probably give asrock a skip though.

[summer island]

Msi?

And what's the difference between 650 and 850?

[round zinc]

The guaranteed minimum features. Almost every b850 will have a gen 5 x16 gpu slot, b650 was almost entirely gen 4, b650e is guaranteed gen 5.

[summer island]

Going with 850 thanks man!

What's the main difference between msi vs gigabyte and asus
Apart from UI?

[random walrus]

They're different manufacturers, they all have a range of models

[hot bough]

Neat

[summer island]

Performance wise which is best?

[random walrus]

Depends on the model

Cpu is more important for performance though

[round zinc]

As long as you don't try to put a very high power draw cpu in a very cheap crappy board it doesn't matter much. Even that cheap smaller asrock board has a good enough power delivery system to handle a top end cpu alright, the others are all better than that. The regular variance between brands and models is low single digit % because of slight differences in boost behavior and memory training, nothing worth worrying about. I'd focus more on the connectivity features like usb ports and ssd slots.

[hot bough]

Depends on the model. They all make very bare bones and very high end boards.

[hot bough]

I want to add to this that the board does matter if one wants to do Overclocking because a lot of the lower end boards have low voltage limits and or missing features along with differences in trace layouts which affect signal integrity for large overclocks.

[summer island]

Suggest me one

[round zinc]

For competitive or enthusiast overclocking yeah, you'd care more about the board. Most people are just doing xmp/expo and minor pbo stuff, don't exactly need an apex or tachyon for that.

[summer island]

Imma play games mostly in 1080p rarely 2k or 4k

Occasionally Blender, Adobe (photoshop and after effects), DaVinci

[round zinc]

Do you know what case you're using? Do you have any aesthetic goals like all white or anything like that?

[hot bough]

You are right. There are plenty of budget options as well like the Gigabyte Force, ASRock HDV, MSI MPOWER, Asus AYW OC, etc.

Budget being $100-300 compared to the ridiculously priced Asus boards at $700+

[round zinc]

Itx usually has some good budget oc options too.

[hot bough]

1. What CPU
2. How many storage drives do you want/need
3. What is your budget
4. Do you need wifi?
5. Any aesthetic preferences?

[hot bough]

MSI Evo TI

Has iirc 3x M.2 slots as well.

The B650E Taichi boards are also good.

Not two dimmers but I have seen a lot of impressive results on those.

[round zinc]

The b650e taichi lite was ~$220 for a while and that was a lot of board for the money.

[hot bough]

Agreed.

A good alternative is the Gigabyte Force board.

Get grab it for $150-200 depending on region and it has 3x M.2 slots in a M-ATX form factor.

5.0x16 Slot and 5.0x4 M.2

WiFi as well which a lot of budget OC boards don't have.

That said it's USB ports are lacking so one would want to get a hub or USB AIC.

[summer island]

For this build i will use 9600x
And will later upgrade to 7800x3d or 9800x3d

1tb-2tb nvme and 2tb hdd

Yes need wifi

$300-400 cad? Can pay more if necessary cuz i wanna spend once on motherboard

Asthetics are welcomed🙌🏼

[round zinc]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QRwqYd With current prices I'd be getting one of these three. Well featured and pretty cheap b650e tuf plus, a white option with the ayw, and a very whited out option with the aorus ice. Past that asus tuf plus, giagybte aorus elite, msi tomahawk, asrock riptide quality tier of boards you're not really getting much extra for your money imo.

[summer island]

Thanks!!

[hot bough]

Gigabyte Force should be within your budget. Has everything you want and it's design means it has lots of OC headroom.

[rustic pulsar]

Do these pins look damaged at all

4090

been having random shutdowns

[inner token]

Looks normal to me

Random shutdowns isn't always related to the power supply

[rustic pulsar]

Now when I press the power button the PC will just turn on for a split sec and then turn off. I took out the GPU and it boot normally

im concered about top bottom left pin in the last image, the one that is a bit less shiny

[inner token]

yeah seems fine to me

what's your specs

[rustic pulsar]

4090, 7800x3d

i really hope its not the gpu

[inner token]

how old is the pc and whats the psu and is it a prebuilt

[rustic pulsar]

2 years, I have a MSI MEG Ai1300P

[inner token]

is it a prebuilt

[rustic pulsar]

no i did it myself

[inner token]

and what kind of ram

[rustic pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xg2WGX/gskill-trident-z5-neo-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-f5-6000j3040g32gx2-tz5n

[inner token]

and when did the issues start

[rustic pulsar]

a week ago i had some random crashes, I assumed it was just software so I would change some things and try to fix... but guess not

crash = blackscreen and PC instantly off, kernal power error

[inner token]

was there any blue screens

[rustic pulsar]

nope

[inner token]

no new overclocks or any existing overclocks

and when it turns off does the pc completely power down or does it just reboot and no lights turning off and on

[rustic pulsar]

nothing new, the same OC I had for 2 years

[inner token]

have you tried turning off the overclock to see if the issue persists

[rustic pulsar]

sometimes it would restart or I would lose display and have to reboot. Other times it would be completly off

[round zinc]

If it's turning off immediately after hitting the power button it's shorting. Working without the gpu narrows that down to two possibilities, gpu and power supply or maybe cable.

[rustic pulsar]

or pcie slot?

[inner token]

does it happen more often when it's been on for a long period of time

[round zinc]

Maybe.

[inner token]

or does it always happen no matter how long its been on

[rustic pulsar]

no matter the length

sometimes a few hours, sometimes just minutes

[round zinc]

I thought you said it progressed to not working at all here?

[inner token]

Sounds like a power issue then tbh

unstable power most likely 12v rail

[rustic pulsar]

sorry, meant when I had the GPU in. I removed the GPU and it powers on fine

[inner token]

could either be a mobo issue or a psu itself

only way to tell is try a psu tester

[round zinc]

So the randomly turning off was before and now it doesn't work with the gpu in at all?

[rustic pulsar]

correct. It works fine without GPU

[inner token]

cause a gpu won't pull much power only way to know if it's a psu or gpu without a tester is try another psu or try another gpu

[rustic pulsar]

I can get a tester for cheap

[round zinc]

A real psu tester costs several times more than a good psu. If it's working on igpu a cheap psu tester isn't going to tell you more than that. You can look in the slot to see if there are pins misaligned or try it in a secondary slot if you can. If you have the octopus adapter you could try with that instead of the native 12vhpwr cable too.

[rustic pulsar]

how about this https://www.amazon.com/Computer-PC-Tester-Connectors-Enclosure/dp/B076CLNPPK/ref=sr_1_2?crid=LT7FQRS37AKC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-jMGToCzffpGZNdi3CIP2RQhEn2D1wcjNcAG1ZTbpgvGR-IgAGHWbLkci0p7DtAYlkAmmUuc4-ZPjQhfARdQEvxb5fv1RnfRR_Wzwi8RT42LBhCgnaPbDLxM8SOuHI6wwB6AkDBPHhSQmYLBr9JKbRYwpz-L5RfZQYwX7Yj9ARaiIc2lqtbjUWPQJhyA8B7PYFYO-IqyZvYwxReXemdAir3ikFjp2OfZYEIFFT6oV0A.8xzgAgvHF7gRnXA51S_cKZlILnO2eECJpeVFPPvmLWI&dib_tag=se&keywords=psu+tester&qid=1766898229&sprefix=%2Caps%2C100&sr=8-2

[inner token]

You could either dish out the money for a tester or try and find other components to borrow to test

[rustic pulsar]

is it safe to try a secondary slot?

[inner token]

Cheapest option for you is bring it to a technician that can check parts for you

And yes

Just make sure it’s x16 or you’ll lose performance

[round zinc]

There are no consumer motherboards with multiple slots wired at x16, that's only a thing on hedt or server. It would just be to see if it works anyway to narrow down between gpu or mobo.

[rustic pulsar]

ok i will try my 2nd slot

[rustic pulsar]

i have booted to windows and have display!!!! Does that mean its the slot?

[inner token]

It could be but also may have just needed to be reseated aswell try the other slot again to sorta get a bottom lining for yourself to see if it

[rustic pulsar]

the slot connector is broke anyways, so it may just not be seating well

the plastic part on the board (not the clip) broke

[inner token]

Yeah could be man

Just test it out and see if it reboots on you again

May be something very minor

[rustic pulsar]

i can, but I already tried it a few times when trobuleshooting my prior issue of random power downs

[naive flicker]

@royal copper

Already checked its a scam

[vagrant nest]

Anyone know a good PC for under $1000???

[olive bobcat]

USD?

Check this out on @Newegg:ABS Cyclone Aqua Gaming PC - Windows 11 - Intel Core i5-13400F - Intel Arc B580 12GB - 32GB DDR4 3200 - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD - CA13400FB5803 https://www.newegg.com/abs-kaze-ii-aqua-gaming-desktop-pc-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-intel-core-i9-14900kf-32gb-ddr5-2tb-nvme-ssd-ka14900kf5070ti/p/N82E16883360942

@vagrant nest

[round zinc]

Why is that url so weird? It says 14900kf and 5070ti.

[olive bobcat]

No idea

[vital oriole]

recycled link possibly

[hot bough]

Very much worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqfutB69rmE

[torn garden]

Sounds like dude put on Tinfoil hats to the max

[prime jolt]

i currently play on 1080p (1440p in the future) and play a multitude of games. I’m going to also be running a 7800x3d with this gpu. Ideally I’d be playing at high to max settings on most story/singleplayer titles without dipping below 60 fps. I’ve been researching a lot but just looking to get some opinions outside of outdated reddit posts

[cerulean rover]

Other than newer dlss versions, which you shouldn't really use at 1080p and most of the time won't need at 1440p, 3080ti is going to perform the best assuming everything is still around the same price

[random walrus]

I think the 3080ti is a big enough raster performance increase over the 4070 that the extra dlss4/4.5 performance overhead won't be much of an issue

[olive bobcat]

What GPU’s would be a good trade for a 9060XT 16GB?
equals, lessers, etc.

[olive bobcat]

How old is this though

And does it take into account frame gen at all

[random walrus]

June 4th
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-9060-xt-prime-oc-16-gb/31.html

[random walrus]

I hope not

[olive bobcat]

Okay

[hot bough]

Fair. Also you can unselect a lot of the stuff by just doing Custom Install.

As much as I dislike bloatware, as with Windows I do enjoy that because of the info given, it makes it easy to automate things and makes the user experience better.

granted I do minimize the info provided.

[cold fox]

id get a 9070 or 9070xt

[random walrus]

$420 3080ti beats both a $590 9070 and $660 9070xt in price/perf

[cold fox]

true

but its also pretty old AND used

[random walrus]

still supports dlss 4 I believe

[cold fox]

not full dlss4

[random walrus]

no frame gen?

[cold fox]

that doesnt matter, i mean im 99% sure the actual upscaling is worse

[random walrus]

pretty sure it gets the transformer model which in my eyes is really the good part of dlss4

slightly higher performance overhead, yes

9070 is ~13% perf for 40% more $ and 9070xt is ~27% perf for 57% more $

unless you get one used but idk how many are on the used market

[cold fox]

yeah its better value. but again its used

[random walrus]

so?

[cold fox]

the drawbacks of being used exist?

[random walrus]

might need to repaste it. That's literally it

[cold fox]

uh

higher chance of it being broken or breaking? less warranty time/no warranty time?

chance of being scammed

[random walrus]

If someone has gone out of their way to find used prices I'm assuming they are comfortable with ensuring the card isn't broken

I guess the fans could break but other than that and paste, gpu components don't really age

unless it's been run at stupid temperatures but there are built in measures to prevent that

[random walrus]

if the price difference was closer I'd say sure, go new. But this is pretty significant

[cold fox]

still, there IS downsides to buying used, and if they wanna risk that then 100% get that 3080ti, but otherwise

[heady stratus]

I'm hoping my strix 3090 will still perform well on the next gen gamess, it's held its own with a few cooling modifications for about 5 years now

[torn garden]

By next gen you mean ps6 exclusive games ?

Because rn even the most cutting edge stuff is current gen

[random walrus]

3080ti is cheaper and faster lol

I guess the 4070 has slightly less performance overhead for dlss transformer model

^Would be something to look into before buying the 4070 over the 3080ti @prime jolt

[round zinc]

Can be slightly faster but it's also older and uses like 100w more.

[olive bobcat]

Where’s the 3080ti?

[round zinc]

It will vary a bit depending on resolution and list of games used to get the average. It's not going to be a night and day sort of difference you'd ever really notice though.

[random walrus]

I've heard 3080 12gb is close to the 4070 but idk maybe i was mistaken

[random walrus]

See the poll higher up

[round zinc]

That would be close, the difference between 3080, 3080 12gb and 3080ti was pretty small.

[torn garden]

4070 is more preferable over a 3080

[frank dagger]

Update to the cursed build. I took my gpu to a professional chip guy. Apparently the gpu was fine. He says the problem was likely a bad hdmi cord... i seriously don't get how a bad hdmi can cause a system to shut down, have a system skip bios, disconnect an m.2 ssd, and make the pc suspend itself.
Is it even possible?!

[frank dagger]

omg... it was the hdmi and im getting 10 extra fps... how in the...

[vital oriole]

it could have been shorting out

that's a hypothesis

[naive flicker]

you were not kidding abt the cursed part

[rustic pulsar]

Would appreciate some assistance

GPU fan makes this noise but only at low rpm

That’s 30%, here is 50 and 80% fan speed

[summer island]

Ancient engine type shii

[solid glacier]

yoo qu4estion

might of messed up

[cold fox]

what about it

[round zinc]

Asrock with 9800x3d? It's supposed to be fixed but 'd swap it out if you can do a return. That's also a non wifi version if you care about having built in WiFi or Bluetooth.

[solid glacier]

yer

[velvet grail]

on my 1080ti pc I used to connect two displays directly to the gpu since I had no igpu. I now moved to an i5 8500 which has uhd630, do you recommend connecting the 2nd display to the igpu to reduce load on the 1080ti or is it negligible? I only game on one monitor

both displays are identical 1080p60 btw

[round zinc]

It's very negligible.

[cold fox]

It’s better to only use the gpu and disable the igpu since it increases your cpu temps

[nocturne marlin]

Preference in the $3-400 ranged maybe even used is fine for gaming only?

Saw 9060xt for $280 with a lot of positive reviews, but on TEMU

[ionic thorn]

is a 5070 ti worth it

[random walrus]

9070 and 9070xt are typically much better value

[ionic thorn]

yeah but rt wise

like dlss

[random walrus]

Nvidia does have the upper hand in both of those

[torn garden]

It was looking like they were catching up with fsr 4 but with dlss 4.5 nvidia increased the bar to a new level

[random walrus]

Arguably didn't even catch up. Fsr4 caught up to dlss3 (CNN model) but dlss4 (Transformer model) released about the same time and blows fsr4/dlss3 out of the water

And 4.5 is a nice improvement too

[round zinc]

Game support is a pretty big gap too.

[olive bobcat]

Fsr4 is amazing.

I’d say in my opinion it’s between dlss3 and 4. Maybe like 3.6

[cold fox]

not really

5070ti is about 7% better in both non rt and rt over 9070xt

[cold fox]

not anymore

[random walrus]

dlss absolutely does

[cold fox]

meh, ive tried dlss 4 and fsr4, they look pretty much the same

[random walrus]

Though yeah I suppose the RT gap is largely closed by the extra raster on amd cards

[cold fox]

but take that with a grain of salt

i have a lot of eye issues

[random walrus]

Yeah clearly /lh

Fsr4 is similar to dlss3

[cold fox]

most recent review

[random walrus]

Dlss4 transformer model is massively improved in motion

[cold fox]

whats lh

[random walrus]

Lighthearted

[cold fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1448723655516487962/1460137387232333916/togif.gif

[nocturne marlin]

Based on researching last couple days it seems like a used 6750xt would prob be my best bet on a card under $300 that i can put in an older i7 rig to keep it going another 4-5 years? Gaming only

[random walrus]

Might be able to find a used 3080 for $300

6750xt is good too though if you're aiming for more like $225-250

3080 10gb for ~285 shipped
https://ebay.us/m/soNHz8

[nocturne marlin]

Says $260 + $55 shipping for me. Otherwise seems good but shipping kills it for me. If you see anything else like that in that $250-350 range just looking for good value

[random walrus]

Ah yeah shipping was a lot less for me

Are you in the US?

This is $300 and free shipping for me. Blower is less than ideal though

https://ebay.us/m/W4Ptmv

[nocturne marlin]

Florida, you prefer the 3080 of 6750xt? Everything I read says XT better

[random walrus]

Pretty sure the 3080 is faster

Lemme double check

I know the 6700 is about equal to a 3060ti and the 6750xt is a bit faster

Can't find the techpowerup chart with both of them

Ah there's this @nocturne marlin

[nocturne marlin]

Ok yeah looks like 3080 better according to this chart even though 2gb less

I’ll be on the lookout for something in decent condition, but this really helps me start. If you randomly come across something though let me know for sure!

[random walrus]

Yeah the 10gb vs 12 is something to consider but imo at the amount of raster performance those cards have, 10gb likely won't be an issue unless you're doing 4k

If you look around locally you might find a 12gb 3080 for ~300

Which gets you not only the vram but a raster performance boost as well

At the end of the day though the 6700xt/6750xt may be easier to find and is still good value if you can get it for under $300

[solid glacier]

Updated my bios now my
Pc won’t woot

Boot? It’s the latest boot version so it should boot

Started up fine before I posted bios

My cpu temp is 112 in bios

That means my AIO isn’t working?

But the fans are on

I might of fried my cpu

Can’t figure out how to use the AIO

[verbal mesa]

Thinking of cleaning my graphics card, especially the dust on the fans. I only need a soft bristle toothbrush and isoproyol alcohol 91% right?

And should I be using gloves when handling isoproyol alcohol?

[random walrus]

Nah don't need to. But tbh for cleaning dust I'd stick to a brush or compressed air

[solid glacier]

I’m getting no display on my monitor

But no lights are on my mobo like error lights

Like my OLED won’t shoot any display

I don’t think it’s my gpu bc fans are working

[vital oriole]

try changing the input source on your monitor

[solid glacier]

Ye I did

I was just playing cod and it randomly shut off

And says no signal

Okay got it

Question

Is a hdmi 8k cable better than dp cable

[olive bobcat]

No

HDMI can only go up so high

[solid glacier]

should i switch back to the dp cable then?

[olive bobcat]

Dp is better than hdmi

[vital oriole]

seems like you exceeded your hdmi spec

switch to dp

[upper phoenix]

Ok peoples! Lets Rock this....one.:} My Main rig is not the subject of todays enquiry. Which is on the trade in I am about to do with Newegg. The offer was a buck of my backup rigs gpu upgrade. I am trading in a card with less than 300 hours on. When I upgrade my MR's cpu the 5600x will slide into the BUR. I mean it isn't nothing special. All I would say abouyt BUR, 1. Its the backup. 2 AMD build currently has a intel Arc770 on a B550 mobo. Everything else is basically not worried bout. I mean I havent touched BUR, I built it for my son but. Anyway, I want a decent backup, yk? I mean between my roommate, son, and few friends I actually have. I am a MAD Gamer here! Used to be yk Hs;) I have 6950XT. A770 to a??? tbh I had....this is my thoughts on BUR. Should the time arise where I am needing to use BUR for every day type.....I would not want to take a step backwards Ig. Ik that places me in the 7000 series but idk jack bout them really. I learned tech\computers..after cars and guns. But before I raised my damn hand...sooo a Long *** time ago. I went college for it. I started in the mental department like literally damn smh;} ANy and all help. I mean I am here asking for idk, your attitudes and opinions. ....and saying hi! So Hi.

I am surfin g doing my research right now as well.Is rdna4 a thing yet?

budget is...idk whats a sideways step to the 6950xt? I hate Google! We BEEF'N. yk big beef'n.

If you can't tell, I am not a people person. I am a HUGE introvert. Everyone claims they an intj, ok....you think its kool huh? Well I don't. Frickn hate it!

[cerulean rover]

6950xt puts you at about a 4070 super/5070/4070ti/between 3090/3090ti, a bit below 7900xt. RDNA4 does exist, 9070/xt is the newest generation

[ionic thorn]

what gpu should i get for my 7800

[olive bobcat]

What’s your budget

[ionic thorn]

750-890

[olive bobcat]

https://ebay.us/m/XnrPLZ

https://ebay.us/m/xndL3i

5070 saves you $300

[ionic thorn]

is the pny 5070 ti worth it

[cosmic bluff]

Really most aibs are great just go for which is cheapest

[cosmic bluff]

Pny on the 5070ti has thicker coolers so consider sag bracket

[ionic thorn]

thank you i will consider it

[forest oasis]

Consider sag bracket for any modern GPU pretty much

[ionic thorn]

im skeptical js cuz its kinda my first build

[cosmic bluff]

I can comfortably say though if the 50 series card calls itself sff (2/2.5 slot) then you won’t need a support bracket anytime soon as most models weigh even less than 30 series

[round zinc]

Counterpoint. It's like $5-10 and a good idea anyway.

[forest oasis]

It's included with most gpus

[upbeat ocean]

consider sag bracket on any gpu really, even if you dont need it like at all youll already have it if you upgrade to a bigger gpu and theyre like 5 bucks

[fierce marten]

Is a 9070xt a good choice for dual woled monitors?

[random walrus]

might avoid oled for a second monitor as static images on it will burn in

[fierce marten]

Icic

What would be a good gpu that can handle both?

[olive bobcat]

This, plus it just avoids sag overtime.

[summer bane]

Can someone help with this riddle, i have 2 monitors connected to gpu just moved my primary over to my secondary as i got a new primary, my now secondary is connected with hdmi used to be DP which the other primary now has, my secondary will randomly go black usually just for a few secs and its completely random could happen 4-5 times within a minute, or not happen at all. Any questions/ Answers or recommendations.

[forest oasis]

try a different hdmi cable

also make sure you have a valid ground

[ionic thorn]

guys any cheap 5070 ti around ny 😭💔👅

[summer bane]

I’ll try a different cable later today. But how would I go about checking the ground

[olive bobcat]

Check fbmp

[fierce marten]

Is 500 for a 5070 a good deal?

It’s a fb find but no box, says it’s brand new and is still in the plastic bag also has the connectors

[forest oasis]

It's not brand new if it doesn't have its box

For something to be classified as new, it needs to be sealed in original packaging
The second it gets opened, but not used, it is classified as open box
And then if it's used then it's used

Also 500 is slightly sus

Going rate for used is is still around 600

[vital oriole]

the lack of a box can affect warranty too

..and to me it sounds like a return scam if it doesn't have a box

[rancid bramble]

yes

[hot bough]

Between a Nitro+ 9070xt and a Pulse 7900xtx how close is the performance?

I am debating getting the Nitro+ 9070xt (new) for $970 or the Pulse 7900xtx (used) for $750 + probably $50 for shipping.

[random walrus]

Currency?

9070xt should be like $750USD. Maybe a little less

[hot bough]

I am in Mexico so the original price is in pesos. I've converted it to USD in the above.

[hot bough]

I could probably talk them down to $700 for the 7900xtx.

[olive bobcat]

The XTX is better for UW

imo

[round zinc]

I have an xtx pulse and it's actually surprisingly nice for a base model. I'd probably get some other model of 9070xt that's cheaper than a nitro though.

Nitro also uses the melty plug.

[hot bough]

The Nitro is a preference. I am aware it uses 12VHPWR as well.

Cheapest 9070xt for me is the Asus Prime at $835 new though that's the bottom of my preference list.

[round zinc]

Any reason in particular against the Prime? That, Pulse or Swift would be at the top of my list for a base model.

[hot bough]

Personal

1. Not a fan of the looks

Source: TechPowerUp

2. It runs very hot (and I like overclocking so this leaves very little headroom)
3. It is a very noisy model
4. In tests it clocks about 200-300mhz lower than the Mercury or Nitro+ and usually around 3-5% slower.

Granted it's still a 9070xt so it's on my options list.

@round zinc

Unfortunately the Nvidia card market is not so good used and horrible new here in Mexico.

Unless I look at 3000 series but that wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

[round zinc]

Tpu doesn't have a prime review. The main difference between models will be the coolers and then there are different power limits if you're into OC. Nitro or Mercury would be among the higher ones, I think those are 340 stock instead of 304. That let's you move the limit slider higher.
Hardware unboxed has a video with most of the different models.

[hot bough]

Okay this is kinda tempting. A RTX 3090 (water blocked) and comes with the radiator and all necessary parts to make it functional in a loop for $633.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1463562991411366/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A4a5bf157-7bf6-4325-a485-933990b64236

[hot bough]

give me a sec, I can send the TPU review.

Oh my bad, it was a review by TechSpot.

https://www.techspot.com/review/3015-amd-radeon-9070-xt-roundup/

[hot bough]

Mercury is at the top of my list but it keeps going OOS.

Same cost as the Nitro+

[hot bough]

Is this because of the VRAM?

I will be using the card for mostly gaming, and some Blender, and Adobe Photoshop/Premiere.

[olive bobcat]

Yes

https://youtu.be/eGifEalq2Kk?si=Azj7qH4-GBqJLgmP

[hot bough]

Please correct me if I am wrong. The 7900xtx does or does not get Redstone and other current and upcoming technologies that the 9070xt gets?

[random walrus]

Does not. New FSR/Redstone stuff is only for RDNA4

[hot bough]

Glad I asked.

[round zinc]

Radeon 7000 can use the worse int8 version of fsr 4 but they haven't announced adding it into the official driver package so you have to mod it in yourself using a leaked version. The real version of fsr 4 uses fp8 which the older generations don't have the hardware for. 9000 also has significantly better rt capabilities.
I haven't tried it myself yet but I'm going to be replaying cyberpunk at some point and I plan to try the int8 version on a 7900xtx then.

[hot bough]

I am leaning towards the 9070xt.

Specifically the Nitro+ to avoid cable hassles.

[olive bobcat]

I’d suggest it.

[cold fox]

Nitro+ has cable issues 😭

[hot bough]

12VHPWR I'm aware.

[cold fox]

why would you pay more for that crap connector

[hot bough]

For the cooler and higher clocks. Also the Cable is placed by the fans so I am not as concerned about melting.

My backup plan is the Mercury from XFX if it comes back from being OOS.

[cold fox]

if you wanna spend allat extra money for a literally worse gpu then go ahead

[hot bough]

Worse because of the connector?

[cold fox]

yes

and the cooling is not much different

[hot bough]

Same cost as the Mercury with higher clocks. The Magnetic Air version of the Mercury is my preference though again as said it's been OOS.

I will be purchasing end of this week so maybe it will be back in stock by then.

[cold fox]

TUF oc does super close, pulse does better in fact

act tuf oc is just plain better

[hot bough]

Pulse and Tuf both clock lower though.

And both cost more last I checked earlier today.

[cold fox]

the clocks really dont do much

all the 9070xt are good, why overpay for one with a worse connector and unnoticable gains

[hot bough]

The options in my area are the Nitro+, Mercury (OOS), and Asus Prime.

[cold fox]

dang

thats like nothing

[hot bough]

While some other models like the Tuf does exist in my area, it costs 25% more than the Mercury or Nitro+

So allow me to rephrase my statement. The options in my area within 16700 mxn are the Nitro+, Mercury, Asus Prime, and occasional Power Color Reaper or Asrock Challenger.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/PowerColor-Hellhound-Radeon-9070-GDDR6/dp/B0FW46JDWZ/ref=sr_1_11? this does show up a lot though I am not crazy about the appearance.

[cold fox]

that backplate is uh

a taste

[hot bough]

My point exactly

[cold fox]

thats

very interesting tastes right there

[hot bough]

So yeah my options are limited.

My current plan is get the Mercury or Nitro+ 9070xt models depending on which is in stock and the Lian Li SP1000 PSU. Backup plan is to get the Asus Prime 9070xt model if my budget is to tight at the time of purchasing.

[hot bough]

My current preference list based on sources (raw performance then temps then cost take preference):

• $960 XFX Mercury (2.68ghz) / $840 Saphire Nitro+ (2.72ghz)
• $905 Gigabyte Gaming (2.7ghz)
• $835 Asus Prime (2.5ghz)

Sources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvT5XvG65Y
https://www.techspot.com/review/3015-amd-radeon-9070-xt-roundup/

[hot bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NePUhv4QK30\

[hot bough]

notes from this video regarding the Nitro+ card's 12VHPWR connector:

• Two shunts
• Two fuses
• Split power delivery

[hot bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ2FsIT61sQ

[hot bough]

Worth a watch. Seems the issue can happen within the wire and is heavily dependant on the fitment.

[hot bough]

0.o just found the Nitro+ for $840 and Mercury Magnetic for $880.

The mercury mag at $880 is very appealing.

[hot bough]

Does anyone know if an RTX 3070 will run fine in a 4.0x4 PCIE slot?

[forest oasis]

It definitely won't have the full bandwidth for maximum performance
It will work though, crypto miners even use a x1 connection to maximize the amount of GPUs they can use on one system

[torn garden]

Also god forbid you run out of vram with that configuation hwub showed how devastating it can be for pcie 8x gpus like the 5060 now imagine half that

[hot bough]

I want to try Lossless Scaling for myself to see how the well the whole Dual GPU thing works.

[forest oasis]

For that application, 4x lanes might be usable? I wouldn't know for sure though, but it's worth a try

Does your mobo not have an 8x though

Typically the 2nd 16x slot is an 8x on most consumer mobos nowadays

[hot bough]

Unfortunately not.

The other two are 3.0x1

@forest oasis

[forest oasis]

Oh

[round zinc]

This is not typical at all. It's a handful or so of very expensive boards each gen.

[hot bough]

My idea is to use the 9070xt for native and see how well the frame gen feature from Lossless works with the horsepower of a 3070.

[round zinc]

If you only look at the hero, ace, taichi, master sort of boards that youtubers get sent to showcase then it might seem typical.

[hot bough]

@round zinc @forest oasis

[round zinc]

I've never used lossless scaling, I don't know if it has any bandwidth requirements or benefits.

[hot bough]

Also on a related topic I found the Mercury 9070xt in stock and at a much cheaper price so that will be the card I am gonna get.

[forest oasis]

Idk, mine had 2 16x (3rd gen and 2nd gen PCIe), and I saw at least 3 others that were much more newer so I just assumed
Specifically for ATX sized boards though

[round zinc]

If you're looking at high end boards then x8 x8 bifurcation ends up being a standard feature. Usually the starting price for that feature is in the pro art or taichi lite range though.

[forest oasis]

Bifurcation is quite rare on consumer boards

[hot bough]

I currently have both the MSI X670E Gaming and MSI X670 Pro boards.

[forest oasis]

Also I meant a physically 16x slot with 8x pins, no bifurcation support

[hot bough]

My current plan is to get the Gigabyte B850M Force V2 board when I downsize to the Dan A3 case.

[round zinc]

Bifurcation has two common meanings. The x16 top slot or x8 x8 top and secondary slot is one, and splitting a single slot into x4 connections for an nvme/raid card is another.

You won't see a secondary slot wired for x8 unless it's bifurcating those 8 lanes away from the primary x16 slot or it's an hedt platform.

[hot bough]

Do the AICs wired for like 8+4+4 require a board with bifurcation?

One idea I had is to get an M.2 to X16 PCIe slot adapter.

[hot bough]

Seems all these Oculinks are for 4.0x4 none are 5.0x4.

[ionic thorn]

hello guys , i was thinking do getting a 5070 for 500 and then upgrading to a 5070 ti when they r more available would this be a good idea ?

[olive bobcat]

You wouldn’t have much of a performance increase
Just stick with the 5070

[rancid bramble]

yeah just get 5070 and stay with it

save up more for the future for a 5080 or a 6070 lol

[ionic thorn]

Thank god sir

you*

[hot bough]

I am in agreement with Titan. Get the 5070 and upgrade when there will be an actual noticable performance bump.

[ionic thorn]

Yeah i mean lowkey been overthinking it for no reason since i want my card to last me a good 3-7 years

[hot bough]

Don't count on any GPU lasting more than 3 years without needing to rely a lot on upscalers and turning settings down.

[ionic thorn]

yeah hence why the ti letters been making me bug

[hot bough]

Grab the 5070 and come next gen or the one after sell the 5070 and upgrade for only a couple hundred.

Do that and you will be able to keep upgrading with low cost and not need to turn settings down in games.

Also you could probably get a 9070xt for the price of a 5070.

[cold fox]

Go for a 9070/xt then, that vram on the 5070 is the opposite of future proof

[heady stratus]

I got my 3090 with that exact intention back in 2020, did a bit a small mod adding 64 copper heatsinks in parallell arrays on the back of the card and 2 exhaust fans for cooling the Memory, still works like new

[forest oasis]

Where did the air come in from 🧐 isn't it just a PCB so no air actually goes through

[heady stratus]

It's just Exhausting the heat from the top

It's pulling not pushing

[round zinc]

Looks like there isn't much of a gap under them, between the fan and backplate, to suck air in.

[heady stratus]

They sit on top of the heatsinks actually, creates a 1/2" gap for air to freely flow, hard to see

[forest oasis]

I mean, if you say so
That camera angle made it look like it's flat on top with little to no gap

[heady stratus]

I did this after I first bought the card as the memory junction internals got way hot, dropped the average temp by 20c +

[round zinc]

I was never a fan of clamshelled memory and the 3090 was a really power hungry card to do it on.

[heady stratus]

6 years in and it's still a Power hungry horse, I got the Strix edition, runs clean

I'm honestly waiting to see what happens with the 6th gen Nvidia cards, from what i understand the 5000 series was just not worth it

[round zinc]

If you weren't interested by 40 series then 50 series didn't have anything noteworthy.

I've upgraded every couple gens before but this time I think I'd need something significantly faster than a 7900xtx (50%+) and down around the 200W range to be seriously interested. Would be shocked if that happens next gen.

[heady stratus]

Exactly, the only thing i'd get upgrading now would be better raytracing, but imo that ship is a little overblown

[hot bough]

Lmao nice work.

[quasi flicker]

Any idea why HWiNFO only shows 2.5 GT/s on PCIe?

[cerulean rover]

What does gpuz say about bus interface?

It can also report a lower number when not in use

[round zinc]

2.5 would be gen 1. That can drop down automatically sometimes but doesn't look like it would be sitting in an idle state if it's pulling 80W currently.

[quasi flicker]

I was in Fortnite, it just had dropped down to 30 FPS since I tabbed out to get the HWiNFO screenshot

The test in the questionmark menu doesn't change the @ x16 1.1

I'm using the power profile from winutil

Battlefront II at 1440p

[cerulean rover]

kinda sounds like driver issue, prob just restart first and see if that does anything, then try ddu and reinstall drivers

[quasi flicker]

I already did a DDU, although I did just install 25.9.2 so I could need to restart

Also forced PCIe 4.0 in BIOS

[round zinc]

Amd you have to restart after installing a driver.

[quasi flicker]

Never been prompted for that anytime recently, and this was happening with 26.1

[round zinc]

I actually don't think I have either. It's been months since I saw it too.

[quasi flicker]

I haven't seen it since I had an RX 550, I think

Or maybe I did and I forgot

[cerulean rover]

can try messing with the power profile

[round zinc]

7900xtx has been my only radeon and I've seen it a bunch.

[quasi flicker]

BFII is running at 200 FPS, or it seems that way anyway

[cerulean rover]

Because it does kind of sound like this

[quasi flicker]

It's off

Should it not be?

[cerulean rover]

It should be off

[quasi flicker]

Okay

Game is capped by the engine or something at 200

Also what should I use for a memory test? It seems fine so far, but I dropped my Tras to 30 (Hynix M-die, EXPO is 6000 @ 30-36-36-76).

[hot bough]

Karhu (Cache+GPU enabled) and Y-Cruncher VT3. I'd say 10,000% coverage on Karhu is safe to call very stable and 100 iterations or ideally overnight on Karhu.

[quasi flicker]

Thanks

Yeah I've got no idea

This is after a restart

[hot bough]

Well this is frustrating. the 9070xt Mercury on sale went OOS the day before my pay comes in.....

[torn garden]

Klarna or whatever is there for situations like this

[hot bough]

I am in Mexico though I appreciate the info.

In anycase I asked some pals and I found another vendor selling the Mercury for $85 more

[hot bough]

Just bought the Corsair SF1000, gonna wait till morning and buy the 9070xt mercury.

[rancid bramble]

waiting to buy gpus when you have the funds is not wise lol

you just said how because your money was a single day later you couldnt buy the first one

whats to say it doesnt go oos again

[forest oasis]

If it's something as rare as a GPU being on a decent sale, you should just buy it 💀

Even if you don't have the liquid funds to buy it yet, just use your credit card since you know you'll be able to repay the credit the next day

[hot bough]

No credit card unfortunately.

Despite my credit score of +700, banks aren't letting me have a unsecured card due to my age.

[forest oasis]

Oh

[hot bough]

I found a Computer & Office supply store in Monterrey, Mexico called unimarQ that ships. I am waiting on them to get back to me on how long the estimated delivery is. They're charging 15,100mxn (on sale) for the 9070xt Mercury. My backup plan is PCdigital which is selling it for 16,200mxn.

Both are selling specifically the 9070xt Mercury Magnetic (black version)

[hot bough]

@forest oasis @rancid bramble @wanton edge @random walrus @echo flame @vital oriole @lavish otter @olive bobcat @mighty island @shy sluice

I am happy to say, after years of talking about upgrading my gpu and then dealing with unexpected medical and life situations I have finally got myself into the position I needed and just purchased the 9070XT Mercury Magnetic!

My B850M Force V2 board should be here tomorrow, the GPU and PSU should arrive in a week or less.

[rancid bramble]

finally dawg

congrats

[hot bough]

😄

[rancid bramble]

from 3070 to 9070

double vram

gonna be a heck of a jump

[hot bough]

4 damaged discs, two slipped discs, being hit by a car, catching a lung disease, and 4 seizures and two heart attacks later I finally made the money I needed

[rancid bramble]

...uh

[hot bough]

It's been a hectic two years

[forest oasis]

💀

how many of those are caused by getting hit by a car

[hot bough]

None, the car ran over my foot and caused me to have severe leg pain.

[forest oasis]

oh

i would have assumed that the damaged/slipped discs were from the car

[hot bough]

I was working at the State Fair and the prick wouldn't follow the guided path (working as a flagger)

[hot bough]

Fishing for salmon. I hooked into a King that pulled the fishing rod hard enough to rotate my torso and boot got caught in rocks while I was waist deep in glacier rapids

That's what dislocated two of my discs

the damage discs was caused by repeated fishing for 8-10 hours a day for 3 months without rest.

[forest oasis]

yikes

gah damn

[hot bough]

the seizures are caused by the damaged discs giving me spasms

[wanton edge]

Amazing!!!

[hot bough]

I am very excited

[wanton edge]

these cards are really great for what its worth, 1440p/4k gaming at more than playable framerates + FSR redstone

[hot bough]

I am excited to play it at 1440P. Supposedly it can get 144fps in Marvel Rivals at ultra with FSR enabled. (this is ray tracing enabled)

So I am hoping that it can hit 144fps for the 1% lows with RT turned off

[wanton edge]

this is true

[hot bough]

It will be nice to see my 9950x3D not so bottlenecked lmao

[wanton edge]

9950x3d was sleeping with the 3070 lol

[hot bough]

lmao yes

[hot bough]

I will say overclocking the L3 cache made my 1% lows so much better.

I am annoyed that 2x24 and 2x32 DDR5 6000cl26 ram kits cost literally $1500+ now in mexico

[wanton edge]

I guess thats like the ring ratio from intel

I wanted to increase the speed for my i5-13600k but it demands too much voltage.

[wanton edge]

Ram is cooked everywhere

[hot bough]

it's the stacked cache in the cpu

It scales linearly with the cpu's boost clock

It boosts to whatever the fastest core is boosting to

[wanton edge]

i see

[quasi flicker]

Any other ideas?

[wanton edge]

did you reseat the gpu on the same pcie slot or installed it on another?

[quasi flicker]

Neither

Also it's still running pretty much at what I would expect

[wanton edge]

slow?

[forest oasis]

what is even the problem? looking at it, it doesnt look like it's strange?
idk why they're highlighted when they all seem like they're normal

[ionic thorn]

nice i’m debating on buying a 9070xt myself

just not sure

[hot bough]

If you wait a week or so I can give you my feedback.

[ionic thorn]

Thx

the 5070ti itching my eye

th tz why

thats £

[hot bough]

5070ti if you use production software a lot.

otherwise I recommend the 9070xt (No 12VHPWR, and has a lot more overclocking headroom)

[wanton edge]

Since I own the 9070 xt I do have a couple things to say

Pros

• Performance is very good, and it's one of the top consumer GPUs you can buy as of now.
• can game at 1440p/4k flawlessly (depends on the game tho)
• RT performance is much better than it's predecessor (RDNA 3), some games with RT can be run at native.
• with 16gb of vram you don't have to worry about lowering textures or having slowdowns due to resolution increase.
• FSR 4 upscaler is very good, even with performance or balanced, the output image still holds up.
• Can get very efficient when tweaked
• It's video encoder for recording is superb and can use latest features like AV1
• Uses traditional power connectors = no risk of burning your house down (there are a few models that use 12VHPWR)

Cons

• it's not really worth getting these cards way above MSRP, and I'm talking $750+ and up
• Due to Cuda/DLSS having an advantage over the PC space, AMD Radeon has limited support with some software.
• Driver updates are much slower than Nvidia's offerings (if you desire game ready stuff).
• slow support on ML stuff like FSR redstone.
• Vram (hynix) can get very hot, though I've read that some models with Samsung chips are 20c cooler.
• Uses more power than the 5070 ti

[torn garden]

What is the premium for the 5070ti

More then $200 and it starts becoming not worth it

[ionic thorn]

So beautiful card just a melting chip

[wanton edge]

I forgot to mention that they typically stay really chilly

[ionic thorn]

oh i see

[wanton edge]

It's just the vram you gotta look out for

But they stay fine under load

[ionic thorn]

well idk there is some going for low 1k

like

the gaming trio for 1.01k

gigabyte and msi both at the same price

msi in micro center for like 984 i think

[wanton edge]

5070ti for 1k is nuts

Not too long ago a user here bought a 5080 for 1k

[torn garden]

Performance difference is less than 15% iirc

[wanton edge]

Still, buying a 5070ti for $1000 is just too much

[cerulean rover]

It'll vary depending on application, most of the time within around 10%

[wanton edge]

[ionic thorn]

yesh i figured

[cerulean rover]

if you're not doing anything that needs cuda, I'd say 9070xt is a better buy right now

even with inflated prices

[wanton edge]

^^^

[wanton edge]

Are you playing rivals without a GPU?

[ionic thorn]

i was js having doubts about rt

[ionic thorn]

my ps5

[wanton edge]

Ah ok

[torn garden]

Dlss is more a selling point then RT

[cerulean rover]

I've had 0 games where I actually left RT on to play the rest of the game

[torn garden]

But if you plan to do PT definitely go 5070ti

[cerulean rover]

RT is a cool thing to turn on and look at, not exactly something that's good for gameplay imo

[wanton edge]

PT is on like 3 games

Probably 4

[torn garden]

Once the Ai bubble bursts I think Nvidia will ramp up game collaborations for PT and RR

[wanton edge]

Or just drop em like physx and go back to raster like nothing happened

[torn garden]

Back to the stone age we go

[wanton edge]

Real

[cerulean rover]

where's the vram compression tech at smh

[wanton edge]

Legit forgot about that

And also neural rendering?

Not seeing it tbh

[ionic thorn]

sorry guys first time building a pc

[wanton edge]

You're fine

[ionic thorn]

js scared of messing smth up but honestly the 9070 looks like a good deal atm

do you have any suggestions onto which one to get

i know there is sapphire,.. etc is that js aesthetic

[wanton edge]

This BUM didn't list this card "for parts" instead they labeled it as used

You can't make this up

[wanton edge]

I guess you can get the 9070, those cards are not too far off from the XT varient

How much you wanna spend?

[ionic thorn]

well ngl i was willing to spend 1k for a 5070ti 😭💔

so at this point anything

lokwey than 1.2k at least

[wanton edge]

Damn

[ionic thorn]

5080 and 5090 r too much for my type of gaming

[wanton edge]

What games you wanna play? Do you have any other interests (video editing, modeling, renders)?

[ionic thorn]

mc ,storygames(rdr,tlou,elden ring ), fps games, steam simulators

[wanton edge]

Radeon seems like the one then

[ionic thorn]

so i shouldn’t worry about games with heavy ray trace

[torn garden]

You will be fine for regular rt

[wanton edge]

Doubt it, tried Ray tracing with my 9070 xt and it handled it well

[ionic thorn]

sapphire

think ill get this

there is an open box for 728

[cerulean rover]

would probably recommend not getting the only 9070xt model that uses 12vhpwr xD

[wanton edge]

Have you checked these yet?

1. ASRock Challenger Radeon RX 9070 XT 16GB https://www.newegg.com/asrock-challenger-rx9070xt-cl-16g-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930145?

2. GIGABYTE Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT 16GB https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814932751?

3. GIGABYTE Gaming Radeon RX 9070 XT 16GB https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-r907xgamingocice-16gd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814932823?

4. ASRock Steel Legend Radeon RX 9070 XT 16GB https://www.newegg.com/asrock-steel-legend-rx9070xt-sl-16g-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930136?

[wanton edge]

Facts

[ionic thorn]

gulp

nervous

[ionic thorn]

my case is white so i’ll get a white one i think

[olive bobcat]

Steel legend always looks nice

[wanton edge]

Either the white gigabyte or ASRock will do

[ionic thorn]

thank you for the advice

very nice

[wanton edge]

No problem

[inner token]

do yall recommend latest drivers for 6950xt or should I get a later one

[velvet grail]

there shouldn't be anything wrong with the newest ones, still, do you really need to update?

I wouldn't update unless you need support for newest games or you're on a very old version

[echo flame]

Steel legend irl

Barely seeing it through the mesh is kinda cool

[cold fox]

12vhpwr + its also absurdly expensive

[olive bobcat]

He’s getting steel legend

[cold fox]

nice

[hot bough]

It uses 12VHPWR, the Taichi does as well. So you will be taking a risk doing so.

[ionic thorn]

does that mean my entire rig gonna burn down

[hot bough]

Means your GPU is at risk of experiencing a melted connector unless you get lucky and all pins make perfect contact

[round zinc]

The nitro also uses a terrible placement for the plug where you have to bend the cable out at a 90.

So they can hide it under the extra decorative bit of backplate.

[ionic thorn]

soo

recommendations for gpus

one is steel legend

5070ti is a kidney and 3 fingers

5090 is a heart and 5 toes

[wanton edge]

yes

[round zinc]

If you are looking at white 9070xt it depends what the price gaps are in your region.

[fierce marten]

anyohe else think asrock cards look off

[torn garden]

Looks are subjective

I personally find the Founder editions gpus look not as good compared to the likes of Astral,Aorus Master

[ashen vine]

Aorus Master ICE is top tier