graphics-cards

[fierce shard]

wasen't aware

[reef bramble]

nw, i wanted to nicer than say "wrong channel bro", so i posted for u

[random walrus]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-refreshes-radeon-rx-9070-prime-graphics-card-evo-variant-with-narrower-pcb
@fierce shard

[ancient crystal]

my budget is $250 with no room for adjustment. what's the GPU y'all might recommend? I am seeing 6600 XTs which are lovely for sale on ebay that cost less, but I know it's not even going to hit 5060 level and it uses lots of power.

yeah nevermind, i got my answer

ebay has 6600 XTs for roughly $150 which is insane for a very relevant modern CPU

[random walrus]

Used 6700xt should come in under $250

Not much slower than a 5060 and has 12gb vram vs 8

[ancient crystal]

interesting. that sounds like a really good option

[jovial ridge]

There is a B580 on sale for $235 on BH

[reef bramble]

What's the difference between these 2 gpu's? Just the colors?

ASRock Challenger 9070 GPU
vs
ASRock Steel Legend 9070 GPU

[naive flicker]

Challenger is 2 fan iirc

[reef bramble]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-challenger-rx9070xt-cl-16g-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930145?Item=N82E16814930145

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-steel-legend-rx9070xt-sl-16g-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814930136?Item=N82E16814930136

I think the differences are pretty minor honestly. I did ask chatgpt already. Just looking to see if any humans have anything to comment.

[cerulean rover]

It's the same card with a different shroud, shouldn't be any binning or any other performance differences

[craggy condor]

^

[reef bramble]

ty ty, that's what i thought

just confirming

[fierce shard]

Challanger is slightly slower clock speed and worse fans i guess

[ancient crystal]

LLMs can be a problem when you're trying to get actual information

if you see an LLM tell you something, google it

[fierce shard]

9070GRE for like 13500 NTD
Or
3080 12gb for 11000NTD

[olive bobcat]

9070

[fierce shard]

doesn't have a white model here

[olive bobcat]

You can paint it

[fierce shard]

you mean the 9070GRE ?

[onyx zinc]

About half of the GPUs I’ve had my hands on this year!

[craggy condor]

so many duplicates

doing flips?

[fierce shard]

Brother why do you have so much gpus

[onyx zinc]

Been building systems this year!

[onyx zinc]

Indication of what sells lol- but I’ve done at least 4x more 5080 builds than what’s pictured.

[fierce shard]

Nice I would want a 4070 ti super if it wasn’t so expensive

Don’t ask me why I want a 40 series card

[onyx zinc]

They can be had for as low as 525-575$ if you deal hunt! Depending on your local market

[hot bough]

Shows that most people want Nvidia cards.

Do you flip parts/PCs for a hobby or a job?

[onyx zinc]

Hobby that’s also a side hustle!

[onyx zinc]

Overwhelmingly yes. Two 9070XT’s not pictured.

[craggy condor]

atp i'd just get a 3090 for the lols

[onyx zinc]

problem is that those still fetch north of 600, generally 650-700$

[craggy condor]

as do 4070 ti super, but we're talking deal hunting

i haven't paid more than $500 for any of my four 3090's

[onyx zinc]

That’s fantastic. Thankfully I’ve been seeing the 4070TI super dip closer to 500$ than 600$ as of late

[fierce shard]

Na their like 1000 here

Lmao

Their the same price as a new 9070XT lmao

[idle idol]

is the RTX 5070 with a 5600X enough for 1440p or is it a bottleneck?

[random walrus]

Depends on the game but likely yes

Recent AAA games with graphics turned up probably not, but stuff that's a little easier on the gpu will be

If you can find a reasonably priced 5700x3d that would work, otherwise probably go AM5

[vital oriole]

some cpu bottleneck is bound to happen, but that's alright

it might limit your potential on how well the game runs, but it certainly won't be a stuttering mess

[fierce shard]

what GPU peformes between the

9060XT 16gb

and 9070XT

that is not 9070

[vital oriole]

5070

4070 super

4070

7900gre

actually just use this for reference

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9060-xt-pulse-oc/33.html

[neat trellis]

Is the Ryzen 7 7700X still a good cpu in the current market?

[random walrus]

depends on price but yeah it's typically pretty solid

[neat trellis]

Got it for $204 plus shipping

[fierce shard]

wasn't there something related to FSR4 on RDNA 3 or smth ?

[fierce shard]

dang good deal

[neat trellis]

Yeah I found out how good pc part auctions can be

[craggy condor]

you can run an INT8 path for FSR4 with mods but it doesn't run as well or look as good as native FP8 FSR4

FSR Redstone is meant to come out at some point and will proooobably do something similar, but officially supported and hopefully a bit better

[hazy steeple]

Yo for the people who know, I was told the red devil gpus are good. Is that true?

Got a 7800 xt red devil

[fierce shard]

Since I’m dropping 700 on my gpu I’ll use INT8 or wait for the official launch lmao

[olive bobcat]

Ye

[reef heath]

how much would my 4090 asus tuf oc worth? Cause i plan on swapping into the 5090s due to a monitor i plan on swapping requires display port 2.1, while the 4090 does not support 2.1dp

[craggy condor]

seem to still be going for $2000+

which is crazy because you could get 5090's for that somewhat recently

ig prices are back up for the holidays

[reef heath]

Thank you, il see what i can get offered with

[reef heath]

Lol newegg trade in wants $1.2k for it

[olive bobcat]

I’ll pay for shipping and $8

[cerulean rover]

store trade in is a very low bound on pricing

used market prices go for higher

[craggy condor]

some things are pretty fair

but a lot are undervalued

depends on your gear whether it's worth it or not

[reef heath]

id 3d print one for you

[reef heath]

it was going for 1.6k for a while but now it has dropped down to 1.2kl

probably due to the sales.

[dense temple]

Hi

[onyx zinc]

Unused 3080 I took in on trade for ~115$

[nocturne marlin]

Giveaway time!

[nocturne marlin]

Trying to surprise the wife. This is her older rig, she bought the newer Monster Hunter and was crushed her 1070ti couldn’t handle it anymore. What’s a good inexpensive suggestion? Seeing these $199 9060xt but wasn’t sure because I’m open to open box / refurbished as well

[craggy condor]

if she's playing at 1080p that 9060 xt should be fine. the game likes lots of vram though, so the 8GB model at 1440p will be a bit scuffed at times. it's a very powerful card, vram limitations notwithstanding though

[nocturne marlin]

Any better suggestion for card alternative then? Maybe a used or refurbished 16gig just to keep her afloat for a good 5 years or so until maybe a new rig altogether? Mainly trying to make sure the current MB in the picture is even compatible with newer cards

Or will even fit in that case now lol

[craggy condor]

b580 has 12GB of vram, but is also about 33% weaker than the 9060 xt in that particular title

the cheapest 16GB card i can think of is the rx 6800. around $250, a bit stronger than the 9060 xt in raster, pretty meh in RT

i'd probably consider $200 9060 xt, $200 b580, $250 6800

[ancient crystal]

$200 for a 9060 XT?

[craggy condor]

yes... there was one on sale today hence the entire conversation lol

[craggy condor]

i forgot, 2080 ti also goes for $200 on ebay. will perform around a 9060 xt, has 11GB of vram, and supports all the DLSS 4 upscaling goodness

might be worth considering since you get basically the same perf uplift, and get a bit more vram + better features. only drawback is it's rather power hungry. but they do undervolt very well, so there's that

[nocturne marlin]

650W Psu in the picture ok for that and the mobo?

Also, how long realistically would that last before needing replacement

[craggy condor]

should be fine, bigger issue would be how much heat is pouring into the room rather than the PSU not working.

[craggy condor]

in terms of relevance? i mean you're talking sort of entry level current gen performance. it'll play games for a while, but it's not high end so 1440p ultra 120fps isn't really in the cards long term. i wouldn't forsee it struggling to simply run games at modest settings for quite some time

[velvet grail]

I'm looking for some used gpus for lower end systems, what should I get out of the following ones:
evga sc 1060 6gb (perfect condition) - 55€
asus phoenix 1660s (dusty) - 80€
asus tuf 1660s (good conditon) - 85€ seller doesn't respond

[craggy condor]

is the 'S' on the 1660 denoting that it is a Super or that there are multiple?

[velvet grail]

super

[random walrus]

Between those, I believe the super is the better value

Well, maybe not actually

Techpowerup puts it at 28% faster

[craggy condor]

tpu puts it at 35-40% faster

[craggy condor]

i'd probably take 1660 super given it's notably more powerful and basically a linear price/performance uplift, but if it's a truly low end machine, 1060 is also a viable option since, again, near linear price/performance between the two

[random walrus]

I'm seeing 28% on their chart, but also they have the super above the ti...

[craggy condor]

35% by weird single fan OEM base model, 40% by AIB card

[craggy condor]

this isn't unexpected depending on the test suite. a lot of games benefited more from GDDR6 vs some extra shaders

[random walrus]

Aren't they both gddr6

[craggy condor]

you're right. could have sworn it was GDDR5 ti vs 6 Super. Super just has faster GDDR6 apparently

[random walrus]

Ok that's probably more accurate, I was looking at their big list with every card on it

[craggy condor]

that's per launch day review, so the gap may have slightly widened by this point too given driver maturity and reduced coverage on Pascal these days. that's just speculation though

TPU's 3050 6GB review (more recent results for 1060/1660 ti) looks like more of a 40-50% improvement if we use the 1660 ti as a proxy for 1660 Super since they did not bench the Super

[nocturne marlin]

Supposedly you can’t run win 11 on the mobo in the pic ?

[craggy condor]

you can use a program called Rufus to create a windows 11 ISO that bypasses the CPU and TPM requirements. there are a ton of videos on youtube for this

[versed otter]

does anyone know why the 9060xt hasnt gone on sale yet? The one I'm looking at shows sale ends in 16 hours but its not even on sale

[nocturne marlin]

Oh interesting. Is there any downside or annoyance to using that? This is my wife’s comp and I know how she is lol

[craggy condor]

not really

[nocturne marlin]

Ill look into it, thanks

[ancient crystal]

the 3050 6GB is interesting as a budget card because it just straight up plays everything well with the right settings

hur dur edits

[craggy condor]

price kinda kills it though, it was never relevant vs its contemporaries

could get a 6600 xt for less, a 7600 for about the same price, and at some points even a 7600 xt for not much more all at different times

one of its betters would fade out of relevance and a different one would start strangling it instead

as much shit as i give Intel, even the Arc cards made the 3050 6gb look silly

[ancient crystal]

@craggy condor i think the place where the 3050 6GB fits is if someone has a shitty prebuilt and nothing else is going to work without major changes

i chose to make the major changes and next month i am likely to get a 6600XT

i bought a motherboard and a case, rescued my i5-11400 and my 32GB DDR4-3200, used an old RM750 power supply

banger power supply, as always

[craggy condor]

i suppose so, but at the same time the 6600 practically costs pennies and you can run em at 50w undervolted and barely lose performance. i guess if it's for a turbonormie who is afraid of the adrenaline control panel 3050 6gb makes sense, but even in OEM refresh scenarios i'd rather just suffer with a sata->pcie 8pin adapter and undervolt the hell out of my card

[quiet parcel]

Can someone please dm me and help I can't send images here for some reason struggling with my gpu some weird metal bar on it

[craggy condor]

you have to send a few messages before mee6 gives you image perms. send an imgur link to your photo for now

[quiet parcel]

Hey bro I fixed that issue however new question my motherboard has 2 cpu powered m.2 slots but only one is working I have 3 total m.2's in the pc 1 of the cpu powered is working and one sata powered is working the 2nd cpu powered one is not working

Pcie 4.0 nvme m.2 and a asrock b850

[craggy condor]

check your manual, you might be splitting the PCIE lanes off from the second m2 into your SATA or something. or you might have to set GPU to x8

[quiet parcel]

Fixed it i just didn't seat it all the way in however very last issue and i appreciate your help alot https://imgur.com/a/oqsjiYC in this image you can see 2 of my drives show in this pc and just seperately like they are removable but they are not the are HDD's here is what my disk manager looks like https://imgur.com/a/2nzbPWE

outside of this last hiccup everything is worked perfectly

[craggy condor]

you might have sata hotswapping enabled in bios/always enabled on that board. if they're reading as ejectable media that's probably why. should be a nonissue, just means you can plug them in and take them out like thumbdrives

[quiet parcel]

Appreciate it

[ancient crystal]

dunno if you're still around, but opinions on the 12GB 6700 XT? i see it for around $250 and that's a damn, damn good price when you're comparing it to a 4060 or a 5050 (seems to be about the same price)

[craggy condor]

yeah, quite a good option. i assume this is used, but that's not a bad thing by any means

should trounce a 4060/5050

mind you the Nvidia cards will be significantly faster in RT, and have access to far superior upscaling

[ancient crystal]

yeah, but i don't care about that as much because RT isn't a big priority for me, and i game at 1080p (I have a cheap, used 42" TV on my desk for gaming, lol

though in the future i'd rather get a 32" PC monitor and return this TV to some other purpose

i think i'm about to plug the 42 incher back in on my TV stand, then get my 1440p monitor out, actually

this is less good than i thought it was

[reef bramble]

"Is this gpu good for my computer?"

[ancient crystal]

fortunately despite being for micro ATX, my case will accept wacky 3-fan cards up to like 360mm

also that CPU cooler is monstrous

reminds me of the NH-D15

i'd rather buy a hyper 212 black but i'm not doing any intensive overclock, not ever

[random walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/in-shock-gif-17553158948252598097

[hot bough]

Please tell me this is just some picture you found on the Internet....

[rich kettle]

they should advertise that a whole 5090 astral oc + 9950x3d can’t even handle a simple app like nvidia broadcast

[craggy condor]

skill issue you can Nvidia broadcast on Kepler iirc lol

certainly my old 2060 could do it

[reef bramble]

XD

My face exactly bro

[craggy condor]

need somebody to buy my asrock now lol

technically the second highest scoring b580 in the world

[ancient crystal]

it'd be like 10 days, but i'll just ask what you wanted for it? (if not in US, ignore this)

[craggy condor]

$200+ shipping

cont US

[ancient crystal]

huh, interesting

well in 10 days you'll likely have rid yourself of it anywayh

[craggy condor]

depends on how lazy i am in setting up my hwswap listing

[ancient crystal]

plenty of people will pay $200 for a B580

[craggy condor]

i've been meaning to sell my 4060 ti that i'm also listing for the past four months sooooo

[ancient crystal]

sounds unpleasant

i need the gabecube honestly

it lets you add and replace RAM, which makes it super attractive as a PC that is purpose-built for games, but also can function like a desktop

steamOS is easily the best linux

provided you have access to packages and all that

i guess you can flatpak

aahhh i got my motherboard replaced and i have to send it back to the guy but like, i can't find the damn ebay thing so i can print it off and take it to the UPS/USPPS

USPS*

i want to upgrade my PC but i also want to give one of the numerous cheap thinkpad X1 carbons on ebay a home

[hot bough]

What's this? Is it a mini PC or handheld?

[random walrus]

Steam machine

[ancient crystal]

we call it the gabecube sometimes because it's valve and it's a cube (actually similar in size/shape to a gamecube)

it's a catchy way to call it

[fierce shard]

Okay if i have a PCIE 4.0 express GPU then i can slap it on a PCIE 5.0 mobo correct

Cause i don’t know if there’s any structural differences between them

[ancient crystal]

no structural differences in any PCIe hardware

you could theoretically plug a 5.0 GPU into a motherboard from the dark ages with 1.0

it's not gonna perform as well

but it works

[ancient crystal]

i'm probably grabbing an RX 6700 XT, it's super affordable for what's on offer

[naive flicker]

why does my 9060XT do this, my integrated gpu does it fine

[naive flicker]

again with the discord links dude

I'm not touching that, looks scetchy

when it comes to discord, my gut hasn't been wrong, so imma trust it

[hot bough]

Yes, just go into the bios and match the PCIE slot's version to the hardware you plug in.

[ancient crystal]

oh, it seems i won't be able to afford a 6700 XT, but i'll grab a 6600 or 6600 XT

those are the best priced GPUs for me rightn ow

i can save, but when i save my money it somehow finds a way to part from me

[olive bobcat]

What’s a 6600xt for you

[ancient crystal]

about $170 - sometimes the non-XT can be cheaper but nearly always it's the same price. some of the 6600/6600XT are a bit cheaper but those get snapped up super fast

[olive bobcat]

You could go for a b570

Usually around that, maybe $10 more

https://ebay.us/m/QEhGip

@ancient crystal

[ancient crystal]

i dunno waht the heck a B570 was prior to this even

oh hey it doesn't use a silly amount of power like the B580

i like this GPU

[olive bobcat]

It’s an Intel card, so it’ll be a little funky, but it’s much newer than a 6600xt, has 2GB more vram, has access to xess, and actively gets updates

Do you think this’ll be the card you get instead? @ancient crystal

I’ve seen people sell them on fbmp for like $140-160 if you live in a populated area

[ancient crystal]

i'm likely to get one of these yeah

i don't live in a populated area

unfortunately

[olive bobcat]

Sweet, I have influenced

Neither do I lmao

[ancient crystal]

i've wanted to get an intel GPU for a long time

[olive bobcat]

The b570 is a good starting point for low budget

[ancient crystal]

i live in the armpit of WA and like, no, it's not seattle, it's not even close

[olive bobcat]

Doesn’t consume a lot of power either

[ancient crystal]

well, my budget is perpetually low i think

[olive bobcat]

Felt

(I used Sezzle to get my 9060xt)

[ancient crystal]

lol most of the prices on those B570s are atrocious

$300+

[craggy condor]

b580 pulls 190w max, usually less haha

https://www.newegg.com/acer-america-nitro-an-b570-ocd-arc-b570-10gb-graphics-card/p/N82E16814553011?item=N82E16814553011

[craggy condor]

$15 extra, but comes with a game

and it's new

[craggy condor]

pst pst, somebody is selling a steel legend b580 for $200

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[ancient crystal]

might have been mistaken

also, i can find ebayers selling it for less potentially, and won't be in the market for 10 days - if you've still got it and the low prices go up i'd be interested

depends on market conditions

[nocturne marlin]

Is getting a graphics card with 8 gigs basically a waste for 1440p and will likely have to change soonish?

[ancient crystal]

well it depends on what you mean by 1440p

there are a lot of different games out there

in addition, you might not need to have everything on ultra 1440p

[rancid bramble]

yes 100%

[nocturne marlin]

Thank you, it seemed obvious to me as much as these nice $200 Black Friday sales are.

[rancid bramble]

yeah

are there 8gb 9060xt's?

5060 ti's?

[nocturne marlin]

MSI Inspire 8gig 5060 $200

[vital oriole]

5060 for 200 is decent

good even

[nocturne marlin]

Asus 9060xt 16gig $339 pretty good too

[rancid bramble]

very good

[reef bramble]

good price is good price

[hot bough]

Well this is a bit of a mixed bag.

1440P games inherently does not need +8GB of VRAM however larger titles as of late have been becoming obsessed with overloading the GPU so games like massive Open World titles or shooters with very intense graphics will struggle with VRAM if you turn he settings up to high.

At 1080P high settings I used about 6GB of VRAM in titles like COD/HALO Infinite. So if you run medium settings you can get away with 8gb for 1440p. Not ideal but it works.

[naive flicker]

why does my 9060XT do this, my integrated gpu does it fine

[craggy condor]

Halo Infinite destroys texture quality to avoid overflowing vram, you won't notice performance issues

[hot bough]

I believe you understand what I am conveying though yes?

If they have the budget for a good +12gb card go for it but otherwise opt for a nice 8GB one.

[nocturne marlin]

For sure. I’m just hoping it will give more than like 3-4 years of new games otherwise, I’ll just try to go higher

[olive bobcat]

B580, 6700XT, and a 3080 would work

@nocturne marlin

Even a b570

[craggy condor]

homie needs to just buy my shit lol

[astral sun]

$700 9070xt or $900 5070 Ti

[fierce shard]

only games >

?

[astral sun]

I want it to last, currently isn't doing anything heavy with my pc

just causal gaming with friends

[hot bough]

9070xt then.

Same performance in games.

[astral sun]

5070 ti is for Ai right

[hot bough]

Anything that benefits from CUDA and NVIDIA exclusive software.

AI, 3D Design, Simulations, etc usually prefer Nvidia for that.

[astral sun]

eh I just got into pc for 6 months dont think i need stuff that complex

[astral sun]

2D design?

[hot bough]

Games and streaming/recording software run fine on AMD.

[hot bough]

Like Photoshop?

[astral sun]

nvm It should run it

9070xt is still very powerful to do everything

[hot bough]

Most things yes.

[olive bobcat]

Yeah 9070xt easily

[hot bough]

If your just playing games and doing some recording/streaming or 2D design like drawing art, photoshop, etc the 9070xt is way more then enough.

[little kernel]

is it fine to use 2060 or 2060 super with 500w and i5 9400f?

[craggy condor]

yea

[plucky ibex]

So i bought a new graphics card thinking my old one was broken because my computer wasn’t posting, come to find out the motherboard was fried. So now im kinda scared if my messed up my gpu putting it in a fried motherboard, what do u think?

[random walrus]

Fairly unlikely I believe.

[plucky ibex]

Okay thank you 🙏🏼

[potent frigate]

What’s the best cpu and gpu combo for around 800 dollars for 1440 gaming and multitasking?

[random walrus]

Whole build or just those two components?

[potent frigate]

just those two

i have around a 1300 dollar budget

[ancient crystal]

1440p kinda sounds like you might be able to fit one of the Ryzen X3D series in, though not sure

https://newegg.io/a202342 ? 9060 16GB looks like 1440p is going to be smooth sailing

and that 7800X3D is gonna be blazing fast for gaming, due to the abundance of cache

[random walrus]

monitor part of that or no?

without monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yYLWxg

with monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qRgYnp

[potent frigate]

no i have peripherals

[random walrus]

go for the 7600x and 9070xt then

[potent frigate]

okay so you would stray away from a nvidia card?

[random walrus]

the value just isn't as good for gaming

[potent frigate]

okay sounds good thank you

[random walrus]

might be worth waiting on the gpu to see if there's any good BF/CM deals

[potent frigate]

yup i’m checking every couple hours

[random walrus]

slightly edited, 9600x is only a little more
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8rRf3w

and obviously case is your preference. the g370a for $50 is pretty good though

[fierce shard]

what GPU can i scale from the 4060

laptop

like how compariable are they

so i can scale what GPU i want

[random walrus]

Are you asking what desktop gpu is roughly equivalent to the 4060m?

I believe the 3060 is pretty close

[vital oriole]

4060m and 4060 desktop aren't as far apart as a gen behind

it's about 10% or so difference

[round zinc]

You'd also need to know the configured tdp of the 4060m. There was a wide range and models of laptop with a lower power target would perform worse.

[astral sun]

how much better is the 9070xt than a 5070

[craggy condor]

considerably. 20% in raw performance, but it can also actually run games at 1440p since it has proper vram

[random walrus]

Ok dude 12gb isn't that obsolete just yet

[craggy condor]

sounds like something somebody with </= 12GB would say

[random walrus]

That being said, 9070xt is still the better bet because of price/perf

[fierce shard]

Alr

[agile oxide]

Hey peeps quick question: anyone running a Gigabyte GPU manufactured during the last 2-3 months that has the leaky gel issue?
Mine was produced in September and is still NIB, with ~2 weeks left on the return window and I just emailed Gigabyte about it, but figured I'd ask around elsewhere as well.
I've read most all the news that was reported this past Spring and Summer, but seems there hasn't been any notable update this late Summer and Fall.
But then again, the issue was only supposed to affect "early production batches", which had to early Spring , I think.

Next week I'll be actually starting my build, but for the time being I'm just killing time unboxing, inspecting, and testing what I can. And part of that means emails, emails, more emails.

[vital oriole]

Thermal gel leaks are harmless though as the materials used in the mixture aren't conductive. It'll just get messy- but if it bothers you when it happens during the period which warranty is still active and valid, you can always rma the card

[fierce shard]

Random question

Does anyone have a 3d model of any gpu they can send me

I need to 3d print it for a school project

[agile oxide]

Gigabyte got back to me pretty quick and confirmed my card shouldn't have the issue since it was produced in September. Also stated, as you said, the gel's non conductive.
Which means time to unbox it and finally check if my Strimer cable clears it. The heat sink.

I'm honestly not tripping about the leak too much, bust mostly because I know there are actual tested products out there like Liquid Metal and Pads etc that perform even better. So, even if the gel does diminish over time, then that's just reason to crack it open and upgrade to pads.

@fierce shard consider checking Thingiverse for free 3d models. I got some case fan velocity stacks from there that I had printed in Silk Silver. Should be arriving from Craftcloud this Friday. 🤞

[fierce shard]

Oh alr thank you for saving my school project 🔥

[agile oxide]

No guarantees but it's worth a shot. I'm checking right now and I see a Nvidia founders edition keychain. I assume if that's a 1:1 replica and not simplified, then you could just scale it up to it's real proportions, right?

[round zinc]

The putty/gel leaking issue should also only come up if you are using a vertical mount, sounds like there is a decent chance of that if you're going in for strimers and other aesthetic stuff.
Gigabyte used a composite paste with liquid metal in it for the higher end stuff from 50 series, not sure which specific models did and did not get it. So if you're going to take it apart be aware and be careful.

[agile oxide]

Yeah, I've got a 5070ti Aero OC (manufactured 2 months ago ) that'll be mounted fans up/vertical, on a motherboard that's being mounted flat/horizontal.

Not sure what to call this orientation lol. It's kind of an HTPC/console (I guess) but not.

Still seems like such a strange oversight on GB's part, but if it's solved it's solved I guess. I'm just glad I wasn't an early adopter.

[graceful flicker]

best gpu for 750-800?

been looking at a 5070ti

[round zinc]

5070ti or save some money and get a 9070xt with roughly equal performance are the reasonable option in that budget range.

[agile oxide]

Newegg's had 5070ti's exactly in that price range this past week I think. I just can't remember what brand since I was just skimming over em.

[cosmic bluff]

9070xt if you are chasing more performance and 5070ti if you want RT and work productivity

[graceful flicker]

that is what i was thinking

then we will have the same specs

😆

[cosmic bluff]

Now to be fair both cards are 4k ready (granted some with FG or MFG) but from my experience mfg has been great and the input latency is very minimal

[lone pond]

for 5070ti, does manufacturer matter? is PNY fine? do people usually just buy the cheapest/most available?

[round zinc]

I'd be picking model over brand. The cheap pny one looks like a decent cooler.

[graceful flicker]

awesome

i think i’ll grab the msi 5070ti

[random walrus]

Cheapest tends to be the best bet. With the exception of some models (looking at you MSI ventus)

[round zinc]

Ventus is still better than shadow at least. Or those goofy gigabyte 5060s with the physical pcie x8.

[cosmic bluff]

I got a Zotac solid sff oc dual slot and doesn’t need gpu support and just looked clean too

[ancient crystal]

3050 8GB worth $150? if not, what about a 3060 12GB @ $200?

[random walrus]

3060 would be the better pick

But also maybe look for a 6700xt?

[ancient crystal]

i realize that, but it's also more difficult to achieve

6700XT can run a little higher than the 3060 12GB in both price and power consumption

i have an RM750 and i want to run a K-series CPU on it eventually

do you know off hand how the 6700XT is for power? (I can google it if no answer)

[round zinc]

https://www.newegg.com/promotions/nepro/25-1035/ultimatesale.html The 28th has a 5060ti 8gb. The previous models of that were $220 and I think maybe one at $200 in the earlier weeks of the door buster sales. Should be able to see the price that one will be in a a few hours and maybe you can snag that if you're early enough.

[ancient crystal]

unfortunately, the 28th is before I receive pay

5060 Ti 8GB? I realize that's a lot more powerful hardware, but won't i eventually run into things that are heavily limited by VRAM?

(i have a 1440p display, and i'll use 1080 on something if I have to, but prefer 1440

[round zinc]

9060xt 8gb has also been down to $200 a few times, might see that again at some point soon.

The games you'd be running into vram problems you weren't going to be playing on ultra on a 3060 anyway.

100 fps medium is better than 60 fps medium. There is a case to be made about mediumish settings but just textures turned up on a 3060 or 6700xt though.

[ancient crystal]

i see, i see

well, unfortunately a 5060 Ti is not in the cards

and if i don't buy a GPU soon i won't end up buying it because whenever i hold on to money something happens

it's like a weird curse

living paycheck to paycheck i actually get something out of life

[round zinc]

Back when I was week to week that was when it seemed like I had more unforeseen expenses.

[ancient crystal]

i'll get the best thing i can afford :3

[round zinc]

If you're looking at used options techpowerup, hardware unboxed and tom's hardware have pretty good benchmarking.

[ancient crystal]

whatever it is, it needs to do a good job running FF16, FF7 rebirth, silent hill f... these gamess are all very important for me

they're not super demanding games but justs don't run on this RX 6400

i buy cheap GPUs and deal with it usually

but this time, i am going to play vibeo games

[round zinc]

Yeah the 6400 was pretty lackluster and it got kneecapped if you didn't have a pcie gen 4 system.

[ancient crystal]

fortunately, i do

but the problem with the 6400 is the fact that it's got 4GB is all

so, if the game is having to "manage" VRAM on a constant basis, that's gonna slow down the fill rate

i don't actually need more than medium settings 1080p w/DLSS to my native resolution

[round zinc]

There were a couple models of 6500xt that had 8gb clamshelled on and those seemed to work a lot better. It also had the goofy laptop design where it only had a gen4 x4 bandwidth.

[ancient crystal]

if i can manage that? nbd

6500XT 8GB, that sounds wild

[round zinc]

This is a pretty good estimate for a quick reference and then you can look up more specific things to narrow it down if you see multiple deals worth considering.

[ancient crystal]

oh, also substitute FSR with DLSS

yeah, 6600 is double a 6400

which is wild, and also would get me to pretty much where i want to be

i would like to get a high refresh 1080p monitor to be a second monitor

and just run the games on that screen

[round zinc]

Those have come down a lot. Sometimes you can even get a fairly nice model for $100 or less.

[ancient crystal]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/SAMSUNG-27-Odyssey-G55C-QHD-165Hz-1ms-MPRT-Curved-Gaming-Monitor-LS27CG556ENXZA/ the deal here is nanners and i'm totally willing to pay that for a monitor

[round zinc]

Just says couldn't find the page for me. How much is it?

[ancient crystal]

oh weird. it's like $189

[graceful flicker]

would you say avoid the ventus?

i’ve always used pny for 30 series but before that i had a pretty nice msi 1080 and of course 980 and some 780s

i miss the 780s man 😅

was looking at gigabyte gaming oc 5070ti if you think that’s a good gpu

[round zinc]

A lot of people complain about gigabyte's customer service. I've used a lot of gigabyte and aorus stuff and never had any of it break so I couldn't speak to that part. Gaming oc should be nicer/quieter than a base model. It's their mid tier option.

[graceful flicker]

yup i did a bit of research and saw that, i’ll look at aorus

or however you spell the highest tier

aorus is 450 usd more so probably not going to buy that 😂

[round zinc]

I wouldn't want to go past 800 or so either. Maybe there will be some nice models for msrp at 750 for black friday. Or a $900 5080 again.

[graceful flicker]

i think the 5070ti is fine

i wanted to drop 2500 on a new rig but i’m moving out in about a year and not gonna bring the pc

so it’s just not wise

besides i think the 5070 ti will be a welcome upgrade from the 3070

[urban ember]

Is 3090 good with ryzen 5 3600

[random walrus]

yeah it's like the one design that's consistently garbage

[random walrus]

Not a great pairing

[olive bobcat]

A 3600 needs an upgrade @urban ember

If you get the 3090, keep it, but you’ll need a better cpu

[hot bough]

Very bottlenecked.

[hot bough]

Ventus with 40 and 50 series is okay but they are loud and run warmer.

[naive flicker]

Ok this is weird

I tried my 9060xt on some different settings with vulkan in blender, and it failed to work as usual. But then I tried rendering it in viewport(basically getting a noisy, lower res preview of what the final will look like) and it worked out fine.

Raised the quality, quadrupled the samples to 4096, and it worked fine. No "maximum gpu texture size and/or gpu memory has been exceeded" errors.

Any ideas as to why it would be doing this for high-res textures? Works fine for low ones.

Ill send screenshots, 1s

Wait, no, wrong gpu again

I hate my life

I think it has enough memory to run a couple 10-20k res textures in 1080p.

[round zinc]

Some games in 4k would be fine. A lot of games, especially at lower resolutions you'd expect to be cpu limited, potentially drastically. If you already have that combo you can also just check your gpu utilization in games and see how far from 100% you are to get an estimate of how much the cpu is holding you back.

[round zinc]

It's actually only going to be $100 if you're able to take a shot at it. Probably going to be gone in minutes if not seconds because of bots.

[ancient crystal]

@round zinc the problem is i'm not going to have $100 at that point

[ancient crystal]

a friend of mine has loaned me the cash

i will make an attempt at it

[upbeat sable]

Oh my goodness that is such a good deal

Imma take a Crack at that gpu

[ancient crystal]

if it doesn't work out, i'm sending the $ back to my friend

i really hope that it's something i can get though

and everyone here who tries can get one too

deals like that are often very purposely restricted and very specifically designed to be almost unobtainable

so i'm not expecting anything, l;ol

also i've never won anything in my life, this would be like winning a lottery

i'm on social security due to multiple disabilities, so it'd be great to get something at that price

[tough plinth]

what's the cheapest amd card with >8gb vram?

[olive bobcat]

What’s your budget

[tough plinth]

under $300

[olive bobcat]

Hold

[tough plinth]

like just don't buy a gpu?

[olive bobcat]

https://ebay.us/m/IsULXg

@tough plinth

[tough plinth]

thanks

motherfreaker

[fierce shard]

X870 live mixer is a thing I guess

It looks so lifeless lmao

[ancient crystal]

i'm all primed to try to get that 5060 Ti

I wonder if it will even take a second to sell out

[vital oriole]

worth an attempt somehow

if you don't wanna use it you can flip it for easy profit

otherwise, $99 gpu upgrade

[ancient crystal]

@vital oriole i don't want to be a scalper, i want to upgrade

scalpers irritate me honestly

in the GPU market right now, $99 for an upgrade like that is pretty good

i needed a GPU anyway

[vital oriole]

i feel that scalping is alright as long as the base price is low in the first place, and that the price it's being resold is still fair to others

but i get ya, scalpers are annoying

[random walrus]

In theory scalping just means the market price is too low for the available supply

[upbeat sable]

Dear lord it's already sold out

[craggy condor]

naturally

they rereleased the same deal at a higher price

i reckon they probably had like 3 cards at that price

[ancient crystal]

it sold out in seconds

i'm gonna buy a 6700 XT 12GB most likely from ebay

that's a solid ass GPU

ideally more than 8GB is what i want, and more power than the 6600/XT/6650

7600 XT i guess is another option but i dunno how it compares to the 7600 - similarly if i want a 16GB 9060 that's straight up out of budget

budget is like $250-300, ideally closer to $250

[upbeat sable]

They had 15. I tried to click it the moment it hit the time. I got an error saying I put too many requests in, and then it sold out

[random walrus]

Nah it was at least 16, my page said "only 16 left" when it refreshed

[nocturne marlin]

I had 5 people chain refreshing and it just said sold out the moment it went active

I think it was bs personally unless it was botted so fast you couldn’t see it

[olive bobcat]

It’s usually botted

[round zinc]

6700xt or 2080ti could be good options for used.
7600xt was just a 7600 with clamshelled memory and a slight overclock, performance if you're not hitting the vram cap is basically the same. 6600xt, 6650xt, 2070 super/2080, 4060, 5050 are all bunched in there too, 8gb and basically the same performance level. Or a b580 new but the drivers can be pretty iffy on older games.

[ancient crystal]

i bought a 5060 from walmart, black friday priced

it should be coming soon

lmao

oops

i'm not messing with walmart right now

[round zinc]

Was it a decent disocunt off from $300?

[ancient crystal]

$279

i think that's a good discountr

[craggy condor]

scammed

[ancient crystal]

someone might be offering it cheaper but my RX 6400 is literally making me want to chuck it

[random walrus]

Um

6700xt isn't much slower than the 5060, and it has 12gb vram instead of 8

And it can be had for under $280

[ancient crystal]

yeah, i didn't want a card thjat power-hungry on my 750W PSU

the 6700 XT requires a couple of 8-pins, unsure how high the usage might be

but i mean, i'm not on trial here just as none of y'all are either

[robust star]

i have an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor and a GPU NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6 GB). would a GeForce RTX 4060 be a fair upgrade and not bottle neck anything. not heavy gaming. 2 monitors, main: Samsung 34' odyssey g5 ultra-wide and second monitor" is a 24" acer at 1080p

[olive bobcat]

What’s your budget?

A 4060 is going to be terrible value

Also FELLOW DESTINY GAMER

[random walrus]

...it's got a 230W tdp

You are a professional coper when it comes to bad hardware purchasing decisions

[robust star]

what would be the better value?

[random walrus]

New: 9060xt (16gb), 9070, 9070xt
Used: 6700xt, 6800xt, 3080, maybe 4070

For your setup I'd probably lean towards the lower end of those. You could also upgrade your cpu to a 5600x

[robust star]

would a new 3080 be fine? going though bestbuy if they have one in stock

[random walrus]

Doubt they have those new, and if they do it's probably overpriced

[robust star]

about how much should they be?

[olive bobcat]

@robust star what’s your budget

[round zinc]

Significantly cheaper than a 5070.

Otherwise just buy a 5070 which is strictly better.

[robust star]

~$300-$400

[random walrus]

Under $400

[olive bobcat]

Get a 6700XT, and upgrade your cpu

[round zinc]

Are you playing any games where you're cpu limited?

[robust star]

i do some 3D printing and make my own models. which is CPU intensive, right?

[olive bobcat]

Go with a 5800x for the extra cores and threads
Then get a 6700XT, which will give you plenty of vram

[round zinc]

Rendering things can be, depends what you're doing and how.

[random walrus]

I think slicing may use cpu? But honestly any modern cpu should be fairly competent at it

[olive bobcat]

@round zinc 3600 can handle a lot, it’s a great cpu

Wife uses it and it handles remastered oblivion fine

[random walrus]

Pretty gpu heavy game though

[round zinc]

I'd mostly be on the same page as you. 6700xt or 2080ti used should leave some room to maybe get a cpu upgrade if it feels necessary. Or just get a 9060xt 16gb would be my plans.

[olive bobcat]

I’d personally get the 6700XT on eBay, grab the cpu upgrade as well

[random walrus]

My 3600x was holding back my 3060ti at times in Apex. Just depends on what games you play

[robust star]

not looking to upgrade much, just GPU and only a slight upgrade. not straight to the newest year

[olive bobcat]

https://ebay.us/m/RLJfL6

[random walrus]

Used 6700xt is a solid pick then

[olive bobcat]

Get that, leaves you $160~ for a cpu upgrade

[round zinc]

Unless there was a really good deal on a cpu I'd do gpu first. Look at gpu utilization in some games, if it's not staying near 100% decide if the fps is good enough to be happy with and if it's no to both then look at cpu upgrades.

[random walrus]

Yeah honestly I'd grab a 6700xt and hold off on the CPU upgrade to see if you really need it

[robust star]

dont have an ebay account and refuses to use ebay. so would prefer new

[olive bobcat]

You’re gonna be hella limited for new GPU’s then

[random walrus]

For lowend, new offers terrible value rn unfortunately

There's the Intel GPUs I guess

[round zinc]

The only in stock stuff that can make any sense new in that range is 8gb, b580 or 9060xt 16gb.

[olive bobcat]

I’ve used eBay for years, so have hundreds of people here, and mostly no issues

Could go b580

[robust star]

tried to buy yugioh cards on ebay and got banned. completely normal and legit cards. thats before i found other sites. so im not wasting my time on that place

[olive bobcat]

https://www.newegg.com/onix-odyssey-8346-00178-arc-b580-12gb-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814987001?

[random walrus]

Banned from ebay 💀

[olive bobcat]

I got banned for delisting an item once
Made a new acc and nothing else happened since then

[round zinc]

My mom's account got banned after she was hacked. Someone scammed a guy in Tenessee for a car on it. Like 15-20 years ago and only problem I've seen personally there. Ebay has great buyer protection, overzealous about it tbh.

Local or Jawa would also be options. Or refurb.

[random walrus]

Yeah jawa worth a look. Tends to be slightly more expensive than ebay

[round zinc]

https://www.zotacstore.com/us/graphics-cards/refurbished/graphics-cards Zotac sells their refurbs direct. Some other brands do it on ebay, I think msi is on ebay. Starlight something or other.

[random walrus]

Jawa has a $300 6750xt but I think that's getting too close to 9060xt price

[robust star]

ill look into jawa. if not that maybe that onix odyssey. thanks fellow gamers

[olive bobcat]

Yw fellow d2 nerd

[round zinc]

Onix should be good too. Like a sapphire pulse but they aren't using their own name for some reason.

[cold fox]

Uh

Same…

My 3600x was also holding back my 3060ti in apex… 😭

Wth

[random walrus]

I think BRs might just have higher than expected CPU usage because of the player count

Also I believe I had one of the worst ever 3600x's

[olive bobcat]

Wasn’t there a batch with voltage issues

[random walrus]

I spent a considerable amount of time with Felix and Fal trying to get that thing to score similar to what a 3600x should and we never figured it out

[random walrus]

If there was I probably had one 😭

[cold fox]

Mine has super bad thermals

Since I have the unironically worst am4 mobo

And a pretty bad cooler

[random walrus]

Cooler is probably the thermal issue not mobo

[cold fox]

Yeah

[random walrus]

If anything a bad mobo is probably going to underdeliver power

Or get itself hot, not the CPU tho

[ancient crystal]

shitty motherboards will get you more than anything else

my motherboard is kinda shitty :3

but it has some solid caps/properly cooled VRMs

i think i need a good CPU cooler that will help the other fans to move air through my case

[graceful flicker]

i have a mid mobo

but frankly

i will only use this pc for a year more

so no point upgrading

also my pc barely fits

buying used gpus is so funny, people sell 2 year old gpus for 100 more than msrp 😂

[round zinc]

4090s are still over 2k used because of ai dorks and Chinese demand. Do you mean those?

[graceful flicker]

nah

i’m talking rtx 4070ti being sold for 1000 on fb marketplace

[ancient crystal]

4070 Ti... $1000? what the heck

that's certainly a price

[boreal turret]

which manufacturer is known for the best nvidia gpus? (e.g. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ...)

[hot bough]

Model over brand.

Best of the best in recent times would be the PNY HoF (Hall of Fame) or ASUS Matrix cards.

Both of which are overspecced, overpriced and use special bios.

[boreal turret]

What about this card?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/690046/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-tuf-gaming-overclocked-triple-fan-16gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

[hot bough]

Mid-range option.

Nothing bad nothing good.

[boreal turret]

yeah but whos going to buy a $3000 5090

[hot bough]

1. Overclockers
2. Content creators
3. People who have deep pockets
4. Extreme Enthusiasts
5. BRAND Fanboys

[boreal turret]

is the card that i sent tho still good

[hot bough]

Yes.

[boreal turret]

cuz i dont wannabe spending 3k on a gpu alone

[hot bough]

Perfectly normal thinking.

[hot bough]

I was simply answering your question here as accurately as I could.

For Mid-Range options just go with really any triple fan GPU from PNY, ASUS, MSI, GIGABYTE, or ASROCK

[boreal turret]

how about quad slot gpu cuz i heard those are better for cooling

[hot bough]

Depends. Usually those have a larger heatsink but doesn't guarantee better cooling.

Look for a Quad Slot that's also triple fan and very long and do a repasted using a better thermal interface material for best results.

[boreal turret]

that one was triple fan

[hot bough]

Triple fan but not the best cooler or tim.

Honestly unless you are prepared to shell out a excessive amount of money, just buy whichever triple fan GPU you like the most and do a repasted using something like PTM7950 from Thermal Grizzly or Liquid Metal to greatly improve thermals.

[boreal turret]

thermal paste?

sry im not computer literate in building computers

[hot bough]

GPUs like CPUs use a Thermal Interface Material (TiM) often in the form of Thermal Paste or sometimes Liquid Metal to transfer heat from the die (processor) to the cooler.

GPUs can be disassembled to reapply the TiM.

[boreal turret]

how regularly do have gpus need the thermal pasting

[hot bough]

Depending on the type of TiM they use I would say 3 years is about expected.

PTM7950 can last as long as 5 years and performs almost as well as Liquid Metal on GPUs.

[ancient crystal]

color me intrigued, what is this magical stuff

[random walrus]

Phase Change Material

[hot bough]

PTM7950 is a Phase Shift Material meaning it goes from liquid to solid depending on the temperature. When it heats up it becomes a highly vicous material and solidifies when it cools down. This allows it to perfectly fill all the air gaps between surfaces for maximum contact.

[random walrus]

Specifically Honeywell PTM7950

[hot bough]

ThermalGrizzly's PTM is slightly better.

And much easier to acquire.

[random walrus]

Oh I didn't realize other people made it

[hot bough]

It's also relatively easy to clean with some alcohol solvents or even just patience with a paper towel.

[hot bough]

TG's is super easy to find and slightly better but more expensive.

Just look up TG PhaseSheet and it should come up on Amazon.

[hot bough]

Also it's non-conductive.

[random walrus]

Honeywell's seems pretty available too. Amazon, Newegg, and more

[hot bough]

That's good, I had a hard time getting it to ship to me in Alaska and it's near impossible to find in Mexico.

[random walrus]

Ah

[ancient crystal]

the TG phasesheet looks cool, i'd like to try it on my CPU if i get a better cooler

i've been using MX-4 or MX-6

would be interesting to just put a cut off square of the other stuff, more even and easier application

[random walrus]

Afaik it doesn't help as much on cpus as it does gpu dies

[olive bobcat]

MX-6 the goat

[ancient crystal]

MX-6 is so thicc it took me a bit of effort to apply in an X

[random walrus]

It would probably make more sense to spend the $10-15 on a beefier CPU cooler than PTM

[ancient crystal]

i'm going to get the thermalright royal knight i think

i love the design of that cooler, having the second tower + second fan be a bit thinner to accommodate RAM

while still enjoying the dual tower cooling

my current cooler performs very well... on my 65W TDP CPU

i'll likely save the thermalright for when i'm dealing with a newer CPU

[random walrus]

Royal knight is very solid, bumping that to a Royal Pretor would be the next step up

[olive bobcat]

I want one of the digital cpu coolers

[ancient crystal]

does the royal pretor also clear space for all of your RAM?

i don't like a cooler that isn't going to work in all configurations. coolers are the sort of thing i usually keep through multiple builds

[random walrus]

There's a couple of reasons for this. One, it needs really consistent mounting pressure. Two, there's some sort of material properties at play that mean it works really well on gpu chips (I'll let thermal grizzly explain)

The pump-out effect is particularly pronounced when combining a copper cooler on a graphics chip because silicon and copper have different linear expansion when heated.

[random walrus]

Looks like it has notches in the heatsink, so if needed you could move the front fan upwards or swap it to the rear

[ancient crystal]

feels like the royal knight would be a lot more up my alley

i already looked at it on amazon to see the difference and that thing is certainly a chonker

[random walrus]

Yeah RK is already a solid cooler. I was just saying it would likely be better to bump up to the Pretor rather than buying PTM

[ancient crystal]

right

i think that's a reasonable argument, i do think though part of the reason i like the RK is the size/shape, and even if it improves cooling i'm unlikely to buy anything more expensive unless we're talking about some sort of noctua (NF-U12a or something) which inexplicably tend to perform pretty damn well for the price

also i might have messed up the model number

but it's the 120mm single fan thing that they're sort of famous for (along with the NH-D15)

the RK's advantage is that lovely push-pull thing

[round zinc]

Scythe fuma 3 does. Deepcool ak500 did, they changed their name to avoid sanctions if you're in the US. Sudoku or something.

[ancient crystal]

lol

[graceful flicker]

what kind of cable do i need on 5070ti?

all i have is one of these

[vital oriole]

doesn't the gpu come with an adapter cable?

[ancient crystal]

it should

i hate the nvidia connector

it's such a terrible invention

people having them melt

[graceful flicker]

oh if it does i’ll be fine

[vital oriole]

it should if it's brand new

or if the packaging is kept in good condition without anything missing if it's used

[graceful flicker]

it says it will

ok cool, thank you

[craggy condor]

tbf it's a PCI SIG standard

the version of it that Nvidia built was actually good

not a single 3090 ti blew up afaik

the finalized PCI SIG version is that one that shits itself

[ancient crystal]

oh

i don't want the connector either way, i prefer 8pin even if i need to use two

PCIe standard connector has been very effective

GPU power usage is going down rather than up

so the need for a new 12-pin connector is a bit :/

you can do 6, 8, 12, 14, 16 pin configurations on PCIe power connectors, so i have no idea why a thing needed to be made to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

i guess the 12pin looks more sleek when you're building for appearance. a little less cabling.

[round zinc]

Are we going to pretend like Nvidia is not a member of PCI sig and a driving force behind that design? Or that they won't let aibs add load balancing or per pin designs?

[round zinc]

I think the 5070ti comes with a 3x 8 pin adapter.

[vocal sparrow]

@round zinc what gpu do you recommend to get? Anything above 5060+?

[round zinc]

Do you have a budget in mind? Performance goal? Monitor resolution? Country you're buying in? Just upgrading gpu, and if so what is your cpu?

[vocal sparrow]

I want good performance such for handling heavy games like -pubg-cod, valorant, cyber

• multi tasking like coding-e-commerce + trading and this would be my first purchase. Monitor wise heavy gaming /multi tasking 50:50

[round zinc]

Valorant is about as light as games get outside of some indie titles or vanilla minecraft. Pubg is also a very light esports game, cyberpunk is a pretty demanding game but is also one of the best optimized in recent times where it can scale to run well at lower settings on cheaper hardware, cod is kind of in the middle of that but it's fairly light too. The budget and country questions would be pretty important for any kind of specific answer.

[vocal sparrow]

USA- preferably 1200-1600$

[round zinc]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NWnL6Q And I'd get a 1440p ips monitor https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gs27qa-sa-27-qhd-180-hz-super-speed-ips-black/p/N82E16824012083 like that or maybe something nicer like a samsung g50d at $200. Should leave you a good amount of room for peripherals and other stuff too if you hadn't considered those. Mouse/pad, keyboard, audio.
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-vengeance-rgb-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr5-6000-pc5-48000-cas-latency-cl36-desktop-memory-gray/p/N82E16820982285 And if you can get that at 209 before it sells out it would save a decent chunk.
https://sellout.woot.com/offers/msi-pro-x870-p-wifi-v1-proseries-motherboard-6?ref=w_cnt_lnd_cat_pc_3_11 Or a motherboard upgrade, that will also likely sell out soon.

[vocal sparrow]

I’m not going to lie with you I’m so ass at building pcs I’d rather buy prebuilt 😭

XFX Swift OC Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB Video Card is good?

[round zinc]

You probably just missed all the best sales then. I can look for something. Building a pc isn't as hard as it seems though. If you are good with a screwdriver and able to watch a video you can do it. I like to compare it to about the same level of knowing what you're doing as putting together an ikea set.

[vocal sparrow]

💔 do you think the sales will be back during Christmas time?

[round zinc]

No idea but I'd be looking for something soon. They'll probably be getting a lot more expensive soon as prebuilt places run out of stock of ram and ssds and have to buy more.

Gpus might be going up too.

[vocal sparrow]

I gotta starting locking in icl

[round zinc]

Are you near a microcenter store? https://www.microcenter.com/product/703426/powerspec-g728-gaming-pc

[vocal sparrow]

Nearest one is 140 miles

lol

Why’s gpu going up?

[round zinc]

Vram is going to get more expensive too.

https://www.costco.com/p/-/ibuypower-element-gaming-pc-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-12gb-windows-11-home-32gb-ram-2tb-ssd/4000384603 What about costco?

[vocal sparrow]

Yup

[vocal sparrow]

So you’d recommend this?

[round zinc]

For a prebuilt the value is alright.

[opal iron]

has the 9070xt steel legend had any known issues with the power pins melting

because I know with the early 9070xt there was alot of reports of pin melting

[cerulean rover]

none of the 8 pin 9070xts ever melted

there was 1 16pin 9070xt that melted about 2 months ago

it's the 16pin 5080s and up that have been melting a lot

[ancient crystal]

sounds like the plastic is poorly chosen and has a lower melting point than what they need, is all

dunno why this surprises anyone, big corpos cut corners

[cerulean rover]

you really don't want your contacts to be anywhere near the temperatures that would melt plastic

[ancient crystal]

oh?

i wonder what the issue is if that isn't it

[cerulean rover]

it's not meant to be at that temp

it's load distribution issues

[ancient crystal]

hmm

interesting

[round zinc]

The steel legend uses 8 pins. The taichi uses the melt prone 12vhpwr plug.

[craggy condor]

it's poor contact causing extreme electrical resistance and increasing load on the remaining good contacting pins, which also increases electrical resistance

you can fix this with better physical design or better electrical design (ie per pin/cluster current monitoring on the PCB) or both, but Nvidia and PCI SIG opted with neither

[ancient crystal]

that sounds about right

[graceful flicker]

i believe youre correct

thank you

🙂

[cold fox]

No

[candid spindle]

Is this a good fan curve for my RTX 5080?

[random walrus]

Looks fine to me

[round zinc]

I like a nice steady on with no ramping.

[ancient crystal]

i have a 2-fan PNY RTX 5060, the thing absolutely spins up like a jet engine

i need more case fans

[vital oriole]

you could consider adjusting the fan curve

[hot bough]

RTX 3000 series GPUs has hardware to balance the power draw over all the wires so power was being sent through fairly evenly across each wire ensuring no melting issues. 40 series and up where they started using the new cable, likely to cut costs Nvidia didn't implement the hardware that balances the power across wires which costs maybe a few dollars between material and manufacturing cost.

[hot bough]

I cool my GPU exclusively using my three bottom case fans with some warmish air coming from my front radiator intake.

My GPU's fans do not turn on unless the GPU is over 70c.

Which pretty much never happens.

[craggy condor]

important to note that doing so would violate the PCI SIG spec

my understanding is that Nvidia had a hand in developing that spec, but whether the mandate against per pin/cluster monitoring was made by Nvidia specifically is unknown

i would suggest likely not, since the 3090 ti did in fact have cluster monitoring, and was designed before the finalized PCI SIG spec

[lyric coyote]

Havent built a pc since covid. Is it still impossible to get gpus at market price?

Wtf the 5080 is 1300$

[craggy condor]

yeah, 5070 ti, 9070/xt, 9060 xt 16GB are all good deals

everything else is either garbage at MSRP, above MSRP, or both

5070 ti realistically i'd snag one of the sub-MSRP open box models tho tbf

$750 is kinda tough for a card not much better than the now $600 9070 xt

$700 isn't terrible though considering the better RT performance and significantly better upscaling and upscaling support

[hot bough]

The 5080 can regularly be acquired for $1000 on Amazon if you have a Prime subscription.

Back in stock almost every week.

[craggy condor]

and still not worth it for that price when 5070 ti is maximum $750, frequently $700, and sometimes $680. realistically the latter is infrequent enough that i'd probably just snag a $700 one and not bother with the time spent hunting for $20 savings

[lyric coyote]

Arent amd cards better now anyways?

And way cheaper

[cold fox]

same* rt performance

[craggy condor]

not per any reviewer

[cold fox]

yes.

[craggy condor]

send link

[cold fox]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-9070-xt-tuf-oc/36.html if you wanna see everything

actually this is from the reva and the most recent one, so nothing in drivers is changed

[craggy condor]

interesting, launch review 5070 ti is ahead by 15%

did they change the test suite or is this just driver maturity?

[cold fox]

thats not smth i can answer

id guess driver?

oldest one, id say its driver

mhm def

[solemn panther]

Sad

[jolly plaza]

sry if this counts as spamming across a few channels I'm just not sure what the best to ask in is, but

For those in the used market, whats the best places to get used GPUs. There are the obvious spots like ebay but I have history with that place

[random walrus]

ebay, Facebook marketplace, craigslist, Jawa (sorta like ebay but PC focused), r/hardwareswap on Reddit

[graceful flicker]

my gpu will run at 80c for like maybe 5-10 min, and then my monitors just turn off

i have 0 idea why

when the monitors turn off the gpu will still be 80c so i have no idea whats actually happening. Would this be my drivers crashing?

[cosmic bluff]

Do the fans ramp up all of the sudden when screen blacks out?

[graceful flicker]

not any more than they had been at

maybe a little

[random walrus]

@shy sluice ^

slipped through to some other channels as well

[rancid bramble]

two in the same 10 minutes what the

[olive bobcat]

Usually happens in batches

[rancid bramble]

7 mods online at the same time

[rancid bramble]

that explains it

[random walrus]

So presumably these are old compromised accounts. I wonder if Discord could implement some system where an inactive account can't spam join multiple servers

They do both have server tags though so I guess the accounts have been active somewhat recently

[olive bobcat]

Internet scam/spam safety is never taught well

[graceful flicker]

didn’t work

can u help?

[rancid bramble]

bro its a scam

@solemn panther

https://tenor.com/view/caseoh-get-this-guy-ban-lightning-gif-38346035458492711

[rancid bramble]

please tell me you didnt actually do it

[solemn panther]

thx

[rancid bramble]

bro how did you not see it when you did rank command

[solemn panther]

idk. im tired.

[rancid bramble]

oh

[solemn panther]

brain gears are spinning slow

[rancid bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-idea-lightbulb-gears-spongebob-gif-4947157

[solemn panther]

theyre gone

[graceful flicker]

do you think i was born yesterday?

[rancid bramble]

some people are man

[bright hull]

What a good GPU to pair with my 5800x3d?

Thats preferrably like under 400 (even thats high but 😔 )

💔

[olive bobcat]

9060XT 16GB

[shy sluice]

any clues in Event Viewer?

look for errors &/or warnings that aren't DistributedCOM or kernel-power

[bright hull]

i was looking at that one but didnt know if it was the best, thanks for the recommendation ill get this

[graceful flicker]

i was thinking to check

ill look

[graceful flicker]

why would you spent as much on a cpu as a gpu

in facjt all that i can find are actually 200 more

[bright hull]

i bought it when it was 200$

or 180

[graceful flicker]

w

it's handling well?

[bright hull]

yeah no issues cpu wise

only gpu bottlyneck

6650xt rn

[graceful flicker]

i see

look used maybe

[olive bobcat]

Yeah a 9060xt would work well

[graceful flicker]

the used market near me is abysmal

[olive bobcat]

New**

[graceful flicker]

all gpus used near me are MORE than msrp

[bright hull]

yeah why are all the 9060xt's used 200$ more then new

wtf

💔

[olive bobcat]

6900xt, 7800xt, 9060xt 16GB

All good options

[graceful flicker]

people selling used stuff think their stuff doesnt depreciate

[graceful flicker]

out of those i think the 7800xt is what i'd pick

[olive bobcat]

Used it like, borderline 400 though

[shy sluice]

supply & demand is kinda borked rn

[graceful flicker]

cheapest near me is 350

one for 350 and 400

thats actually not bad

[olive bobcat]

That’s a good deal

[graceful flicker]

i often find stuff going for more than i can find it online and i question who actually is going to buy this

then i see people selling stuff for what they bought it for after they used it 🤦‍♂️ 😂

[bright hull]

used?

[graceful flicker]

near me, yes

new near me cheapest is 600ish

used is a good place to look

just no warranty so if it breaks that sucks

[olive bobcat]

6900xt beats 9060xt by a few percent but it’s older

And most of the time expensive

Bout as much as a 7800xt

[bright hull]

sooo im thinking 9060xt is my best bet rn

[olive bobcat]

Yeah

[bright hull]

why they all look so ugly 💔

[graceful flicker]

beggars cant be choosers lol

but yeah amd i feel like arent the prettiest

its not something i put a lot of thought into though

[bright hull]

are there any models i should stay away from

from that lineup

[graceful flicker]

no idea

[olive bobcat]

Challenger runs a little hot(I have it)

[bright hull]

this looks

disgusting

[olive bobcat]

Go with sapphire pulse if you can

Check this out on @Newegg:SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 9060 XT 16GB GDDR6 PCI Express 5.0 x16 ATX Graphics Card 11350-03-20G https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-tech-pulse-11350-03-20g-radeon-rx-9060-xt-16gb-graphics-card-double-fans/p/N82E16814202457

[bright hull]

whats the difference between these

[olive bobcat]

No idea actually

Crashes my app when I try and look

@graceful flicker ?

[bright hull]

found one on amazon for less

sweettttt

[olive bobcat]

Model?

[bright hull]

the one u sent

[olive bobcat]

Pulse?

[bright hull]

yeah

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11350-03-20G-RadeonTM-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B0F9LN5VZ6

believethis is the same one

[olive bobcat]

Nitro+ is also a good model

Find any of those on Amazon?

[bright hull]

For 570

590*

[graceful flicker]

for that much i would get a 5070

for 370 the 9060 is good

[olive bobcat]

Yeah go ahead and get that pulse on Amazon then

[graceful flicker]

the gap between 5070 and 5080 always amazes me

because the cards arent too different

but a 5080 is almost twice as much

i think theyre more, in fact.

[olive bobcat]

Simply the 8 in the name

[bright hull]

and its a single 8pin W

i thought i was gonna need to order new cables

🙏

bye bye wallet

[craggy condor]

i would say 40% is pretty significant, not to mention the fact that the 5070 has 12GB of vram

5080 is a shit deal, true. but 5070 ti exists and is basically the exact same card for $750

[graceful flicker]

exactly why i got a 5070ti

i tried to make the 5080 economical but the different between the two is pretty marginal and not worth 200 bucks

[graceful flicker]

yeah i agree to a point but i dont know if its quite double the value

[craggy condor]

it's definitely not. 5080 exists for normies to gawk over having le epic 80 class part. 5070 ti is to have something remotely worth considering

[craggy condor]

for a while you could find then sub $700 open box on newegg, mostly from brands that don't seal their boxes. so most were presumably just NIB returns, since Gigabyte and PNY's unsealed boxes have to get shuffled into OB stuff

[graceful flicker]

id roll the dice on that

i have a place where i can get them msrp near me but even at msrp which i think is 1000 its not really worth it

[craggy condor]

same. even if it is actually OB you still get warranty and such so it's almost a moot point. getting a NIB is just a bonus at that point

[graceful flicker]

sub 700 is a great deal

wow

thats insane

[cold fox]

@little sleet

[quaint osprey]

@fierce shard https://www.techpowerup.com/343775/intel-arc-battlemage-bmg-g31-gpu-emerges-in-official-software-support

I know it's very late news

but, woo!

[graceful flicker]

i have cables just like this guy, it wont be an issue to just have one of the 4 8 pins sticking off not connected into anything?

[round zinc]

You need all 3 plugs in the adapter filled. Your second pic I think that one on the right is a cpu power, it's too blurry to be certain but it looks like it breaks into 4 and 4 instead of 6 and 2 like a gpu power cable. If you're asking can you do this? That's fine.

[random walrus]

Yup, that right cable looks like cpu power

[graceful flicker]

not mine but let me see

i have the gpu ones that go one into psu and 2 into gpu

[random walrus]

Also that pic comes out a little funky on oled dark mode lol

[graceful flicker]

my bad i grabbed it from reddit

[random walrus]

No not yours

[round zinc]

Paint grab making the white background transparent can look weir don discord.

[graceful flicker]

ohhh yours

i see

[graceful flicker]

i have 2 of the pcie ones that go from one 8 pin to 2 8 pins

that will be fine?

[round zinc]

Yeah.

[random walrus]

Yes

[graceful flicker]

great thx

didnt want to get gpu and realize aw darn i need to go buy cables

as has happened before

[round zinc]

New 5070ti? The psu is like 750W+ and something decent?

[graceful flicker]

850 plat

[fierce shard]

I saw this 2 days before lmao

Heh

[hot bough]

Question, how much overclocking headroom does the 9070xt and RTX 5070 TI have? And are both cards typically thermally limited or voltage/power limited? With the cost of the 5080 rising I am debating a smaller upgrade.

[cold fox]

9070xt has AMAZING headroom, 5070ti rly doesn’t

[hot bough]

How much roughly? I am very hesitant to try an AMD card because I use a lot of consumer production software. Adobe Suite, Blender, etc.

[cold fox]

i can get easily 10% out of mine

same thermals or even lower

and thats a very light oc/uv

[hot bough]

I see.

How much of a constraint are thermals for achieving higher boosts?

[cold fox]

for me none

i am at like sub 60s

[hot bough]

What cooler?

[cold fox]

steel legend white non oc

[hot bough]

Cheapest Option: 2490mhz
https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B0DSWJJRQX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A1G99GVHAT2WD8&psc=1

Preferred Option: 3060mhz
https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B0DTHP39JF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A1017D6QFZ1B9R&psc=1

[cold fox]

dont get nitro+

its 12vhpwr

[hot bough]

I am not extremely concerned with 12vhpwr since this one uses a 12vhpwr to 2x6pin and it's a much lower power card then a 5080.

[cold fox]

still

avoid it

esp if its more expensive

https://www.amazon.com.mx/XFX-Radeon-9070XT-Ventilador-RX-97TSWF3B9/dp/B0DXLG4FJ3/ref=sr_1_10

uhhh

get this

swift is good and its cheaper than the reaper

unless its a scummy seller or smth

[hot bough]

What is with this base, game, and burst/pulse frequency ratings?

How come it's not just base/max like with cpus.

[cold fox]

no clue

[hot bough]

I question who designed this card's appearance.... It looks like a slope.

[cold fox]

my gpu is at 2500-2900 while having an fps limit

no oc no uv

[hot bough]

What's your ambient temp?

[cold fox]

no clue

low

rn its at sub 50c

in game

[hot bough]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Sapphire-11348-03-20G-RadeonTM-Tarjeta-gráfica/dp/B0DTHMPWFR/ref=sr_1_2?

Any known issues with the Saphhire Pulse?

[cold fox]

i really woulnt pay an extra thousand for a pulse over a swift

[hot bough]

Currently looking at the Asrock Taichi since it has dual bios.

[cold fox]

also 12vhpwr

[hot bough]

I am willing to pay up to $100 more if it:

• Better bin
• Better cooler
• Nicer aesthetic (since I will be looking at this all day)

[cold fox]

whats 100 in your currency

[hot bough]

2000 pesos

[cold fox]

oh

[round zinc]

It's like 20-30W less. If you're doing blender/premiere/after effects you should probably just go with the 5070ti though.

[cold fox]

honestly

xfx mercury is like 500 more than the pulse

https://www.amazon.com.mx/XFX-Mercury-Radeon-9070XT-RX-97TRGBBB9/dp/B0DXW1R1YT/ref=sr_1_75 id get this for a more expensive one, and the reaper otherwise

mercury is like TOP TOP end

[hot bough]

Is that triple 8 pin I see?

[cold fox]

and i believe the highest end 9070xt

[round zinc]

It's up there. Only nitro and taichi use 12vhpwr.

[cold fox]

coolest temps and not high fan speeds

lowest hotspot

[hot bough]

Hmm I do appreciate the lack of 12vhpwr and better bin.

[cold fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvT5XvG65Y&t=1178s heres the whole video, usually at the top for temps

[hot bough]

I do have to ask.

WHO DESIGNED A GPU LIKE A SLOPE

[cold fox]

xfx

[hot bough]

Other then that I do appreciate the recommendation.

My favorite so far.

[cold fox]

only 1 left so

looks like a reliable seller?

[round zinc]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-content-creation-review/ I'd read this too. Adobe and blender aren't really where radeon shines.

[hot bough]

I am not worried about ordering if it's on Amazon.

I have such a long history with them that they always refund me or send a new one, no questions asked.

[cold fox]

at least its far cheaper than the 5070ti

[hot bough]

Cheapest 5070 ti is $80 more.

[cold fox]

even the high end model, like the high high end model, is 1500 below the cheapest 5070ti

[hot bough]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B0G271LLFX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A1G99GVHAT2WD8&psc=1

[cold fox]

and thats the only model with a reasonable price

[hot bough]

Agreed.

Being in mexico makes all this such a pain.

[round zinc]

It's one of the best msrp models at least.

[hot bough]

Damn 20% important based on the product + shipping.

[cold fox]

yeah id look for that mercury or the reaper, depending on how much youre willing to spend

[hot bough]

Hmmm. The 9070xt usually has headroom for oc?

[cold fox]

a lot more

esp on that card too, i believe its the highest wattage model?

[hot bough]

Despite being worse in blender my addiction to oc makes it hard to say no.

I hate that my 3070 has essentially no headroom.

payed a massive premium for the damn thing during the Crypto boom.

[cold fox]

oh yeah

mercury is highest wattage