graphics-cards

[idle bison]

Thank you! What site is this?

[random walrus]

Techpowerup

[craggy condor]

randy probably likes girls, not Nvidia App Instant Replay

[cerulean rover]

It has been buggy in recent months, it usually fixes itself once you turn off overlay, restart the app, and turn it back on

[random walrus]

https://github.com/Verpous/AlwaysShadow

[velvet grail]

what do you recommend getting among these?
1080ti for <150€ good vram
3060 for ~180€ same, lower tdp
3060ti for ~200€ less vram but faster

[hot bough]

3060 TI since I don't see a 1080 TI or 3060 playing QHD enjoyably. So better opt for a good FHD experience.

[cerulean rover]

Depends on how new the games you play are

1080ti has problems with low dx12 performance in newer games

[random walrus]

If you're gonna be on 1080p, definitely the 3060ti.

[craggy condor]

^

1440p depends on the game but really tbh 3060 is rather weak. just suck up the vram issues and turn on DLSS. swap to 4.x with transformer, throw it in performance mode, and prayge

[cold fox]

My 3060ti did 1440p pretty good actually, but you had to upscale no matter the game

[craggy condor]

yeah it's a reasonably fast card, but the vram was painful even in 2021 tbh. i had issues as soon as i got my 3070 ti at 1440p native. DLSS was good enough at that time that i would just do that, but these days vram is even more of a crunch, and afaik the DLSS 4 transformer model actually used sliiiightly more ram than the CNN stuff. still a net improvement since performance TN looks better than Qual CNN

[cold fox]

Yeah

[random walrus]

On the flip side, with the games I played on my 3060ti I never really had an issue with the 8gb at 1440p

It just depends if you're playing a lot of modern AAAs

[cold fox]

I didn’t have issues with c77 on 1440p lmao

[random walrus]

Yeah that's probably raster/rt bound

Only game I ran into "issues" was Indiana Jones but turning all vram related settings to low worked fine

Cp2077 was also released in 2020 so they were likely aiming to support 8gb and maybe even 6gb GPUs (2060, 16 series)

[craggy condor]

bf2042 is AAA in a sense, but it’s far from a graphically intense single player game

[random walrus]

Yes true

[craggy condor]

that is the first game i noticed issues in. turning on DLSS mostly fixed it but DLSS didn't look too amazing in that title tbh

i haven't tried swapping to 4.x TN yet tho

[velvet grail]

mainly beamng, some CoD and cyberpunk. 1080p high textures, no RT, maybe they benefit from the extra vram or is it still better to go for more gpu power?

[cerulean rover]

Yea if you want to do cyberpunk 1080ti won't be good

Should do 3060ti

[velvet grail]

I'm just finding so many deals on good used gpus, I might even get something else for other builds.
1080ti for 130, 2070s for 170, 2080 for 180, 3060 for 170, 3060ti for 200, 3070 for 220...

is the dell oem 3080 10gb good for 250€?

[random walrus]

Yes

It's actually a pretty well built card

[olive bobcat]

Dell cards are usually decent quality
They run hot but clock high

[random walrus]

I know the 3090 model they made actually has pretty decent heatsinks so I'd imagine the 3080 has the same or similar

Gamersnexus did a teardown of the 3090

[hot bough]

@olive bobcat I see you are in need of a GPU. Do you want a GT710?

[olive bobcat]

I have a 1660 S

[solemn panther]

Huh

[random walrus]

me when a mod is arguably breaking rule 3

[olive bobcat]

Not technically

But I’ll delete it all just in case

[wicked hound]

No need, mods are never wrong

[autumn grove]

I have been getting this problem for couple of weeks. My GPU which is 5 years old 1660 super. Started turning off by itself while the pc is running then the fans go crazy speed.

I tried everything from updating drivers, reinserting into the slot. The one thing that worked last week was replugging the cables for the gpu and it worked for a week with no issus.

Now last night it started doing its bs again and the fans rev to full speed, but this time the fans are also revving up and down in speed.

Idk if its GPU faulty or PSU?

[cerulean rover]

Check event viewer around when it crashes, kinda sounds like it could be nvlddmkm

[upbeat ocean]

can someone help identify this 1660 super without the brand sticker?

i gave a guy on fb marketplace a usb with windows 10 for his 1660 super he upgraded from, and I'm trying to find the exact model and brand for reselling and other purposes (the metal part that covers the pcie slot is gone aswell) but the stickers were peeled off so i have no idea.

I tried using chatgpt but it couldn't figure it out without the stickers.
I do know it's not a big manufacturing brand but that's about it

[naive flicker]

Alright.... I might get a 9070 or 60xt if someone helps me install more vram.

[craggy condor]

what

[craggy condor]

it's almost certainly a no-name chinese oem

[naive flicker]

16 not enough for DH2.1

[craggy condor]

hard to say exactly which

[craggy condor]

yeah but how are you going to install more vram lol

[naive flicker]

BGA soldering isnt that hard, right?

[craggy condor]

GPUz might give you a clue under the subvendor section, but it might just have a stock nvidia reference bios

[craggy condor]

if it was easy there wouldn't be a market for expensive BGA repair, but even still there aren't higher density modules to use

[naive flicker]

wb ibm HBM

[craggy condor]

i can't tell if you're trolling lol

[naive flicker]

im not

[craggy condor]

no, that will not work.

unless AMD has a Navi 48 based pro card with clamshelled memory, you cannot make an increased capacity 9070 xt

[naive flicker]

breh

[craggy condor]

and even if they did/do, you'd need to purchase the pro card on top of the 9070 xt, and at that point just use the pro card for games

realistically if you want vram, probably get a 5070 ti super when it launches

4090 is still hella expensive. could also go for 3090. still plenty fast, but does fall behind the newer stuff a bit

[naive flicker]

eh ill get a 9060 xt loaded with 9070 xt bios

[craggy condor]

good luck with that

i'll buy it off you for half price when you brick it

[naive flicker]

can't i just reflash it if that happens

[craggy condor]

yeah but i'd rather you sell it to me for $180

also there is no "if"

it will brick.

save your money and skip on buying a flashing tool

if you want power limit mods i can show you how to actually do it

heck even voltage is pretty easy, you just have to buy a tool

[naive flicker]

what if i js undervolt or overclock or sm

[craggy condor]

sure, that will not brick the card lol

[naive flicker]

wait how come 9060 xt doesnt have a boost clock speed

[craggy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/jwycat-gif-27153281

@naive flicker

[naive flicker]

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[craggy condor]

pcpp failing to scrape data doesn't mean anything homie

[naive flicker]

alr

how does one acquire amd reference 9060 xt

[craggy condor]

is there a reference cooler? i'm pretty sure they just sent out reference kits for AIBs to put their own coolers on to sell alongside their custom PCBs

[naive flicker]

wait its 2 fan nvm

ew gross ew

[craggy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255914487127736341/1280160265974972476/IMG_2178.gif

[naive flicker]

anywho

because i need to combensate im getting the biggest one i can find lol

[craggy condor]

why not the cheapest

[naive flicker]

wow nvm that is in fac t the most expensive model i could buy

ill get the gigabyte gaming oc

$389

if i get that one at this price i will not break $2k on the entire setup

[craggy condor]

it's a good card

and like i said, if you want to do crazy oc stuff i can show you how to power and voltmod

it's pretty simple

[naive flicker]

and finally, my years of labor shalt be but a passing memory... a wave of the wind of my mind....

[craggy condor]

enjoy rhe card, it seems really neat

[naive flicker]

I shall rest, looking across the digital horizon as the square sun begins to set, upscaled to 1440p with AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 4, and be at peace, knowing that, while i may have compromised, it was a damn good tradeoff.

[forest oasis]

Comb

[velvet grail]

3070ti FE really good deal for 250€?

[craggy condor]

no lmao

it's a less efficient 3070 for more than the price of a 3070

[velvet grail]

damn i noticed... i still bought it since it was one of the best deals, it'll be useful for the next build flip

after all, people are more likely to spend that extra for the "ti" even if it performs similarly

[craggy condor]

hopefully

[dawn notch]

How much is a 3080 or 3090 worth used

Whats like a good deal

[craggy condor]

i've never paid more than $500

but gl with that unless you absolutely hound your local market and like hwswap and stuff

they go for $700-800 these days iirc

[dawn notch]

For a 3080?

Or a 90

[craggy condor]

3090

[dawn notch]

Ah

[craggy condor]

3080 is like $350 tops. wouldn't spend a dollar over that

unless it's a 12GB ig

[dawn notch]

Alr

Thx

[random walrus]

Yeah 12gb 3080 is pretty similar to a 4070 so 375-400 probably

12gb variant has more compute cores, not just the 2tb vram

[cosmic bluff]

mmm 2tb of vram

[craggy condor]

oh yeah, it's gaming time

[covert carbon]

does anyone have 5070 FE? have a question about temperature

[craggy condor]

what's the question

[covert carbon]

When I started testing 5070FE, I saw temps around 80–82°C. Meanwhile, I’ve seen people on Reddit and YouTube getting around 65°C while gaming. I went back to Best Buy and asked them to check it, and they also measured around 80–82°C on their unit.

Some people on Reddit mentioned there might be an issue with the thermal paste on the card, so I wanted to give it another shot by exchanging the card and ask:
Has anyone else with a 5070 FE experienced this problem?

[craggy condor]

what are your hotspot temps?

oh wait i forgot nvidia locked out hotspot measurement on Blackwell

gimme a sec

[craggy condor]

techpowerup reports 77C on their model, and that's in a case with pretty good ventilation (https://www.darkflash.com/product/dy470). a lot of youtubers benchmark with an open test bench, which will further reduce their results. TPU also tests with a 9800x3D. if you're using slightly more restrictive case, fewer fans, worse fans, a higher power draw CPU, or any combination of the above, you would expect to see somewhat worse thermals

your results are in line with expected temps. i'd consider simply tweaking the GPU fan curve to be a little more aggressive. those coolers are pretty quiet. you can likely drop a few degrees off without even really increasing noise

you can see here per TPU's data, their card hits 77C and never really goes above 50% fan speed. but when normalizing for noise (ie, increasing the FE fan speed), they drop down to the mid 60's

perhaps the data you were referencing was noise normalized? @covert carbon

[covert carbon]

tried undervolting, and the lowest temperature I was able to get was 77°C. My case has 4 fans. When I went to Best Buy, the person who tested it also got the same temps as me around 80–82°C. It was also very loud and in Cyberpunk, I saw fan speeds hitting 3200–3500 RPM at times

I’ve read TechPowerUp’s review, and yes, it makes sense but I’ve also seen many people on Reddit saying they’re getting around 65°C with the FE model so I thought there is something wrong with the gpu.

[craggy condor]

if you're still getting bad thermals with an undervolt and increased fans then yeah it might be a problem. seems like the 5070's don't use LM, so you'd be safe to tear it down and repaste if you want to try that

ptm7950 isn't that expensive, but if you already have paste on hand i doubt it'll make a huge difference

[covert carbon]

I don’t know what the LM is but I told best buy I want to exchange it with same gpu they said we can do that so I’m waiting for that, while waiting wanted to check if anyone had same problem with mine

[craggy condor]

liquid metal. yeah fair enough, if they'll replace it no-hassle then why not

did they cross ship for you or are you missing ur GPU for the next little while?

[covert carbon]

they took the gpu and said there was nothing wrong with it, but I still asked if I could get a replacement. they said okay, and told me I can pick up a new 5070 FE in 5 days

[craggy condor]

fair enough ig

[covert carbon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1l473mu/comment/mwiru1z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
an also someone said this on reddit and this one made sense to me

but we’ll see ofcourse

time will tell

[craggy condor]

yeah, totally possible. or the mounting pressure is off

[covert carbon]

It’s a really interesting case
I looked it up, and it seems pretty split. Some people are getting lower noise and temps around 65°C, while others (like in the TechPowerUp review) are seeing 77–80°C

And for my case undervolting didn’t even fix the temperature just 2-3 degrees down

[craggy condor]

wonder if they put out a second revision with different clearances on the coldplatw

wouldn't be the first time it's happened

there are like three(?) 3090 FE revisions iirc

[lavish abyss]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-founders-edition/41.html

Techpowerup's review of the 5070 Founders card showed they got temperatures of 77C on the GPU die and 78C on the VRAM respectively during gaming workloads.

nVidia themselves specify the max GPU temperature on the RTX 5070 as 85C, that's according to https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-series/rtx-5070-family/ scroll down to the specs and hit the big green button for View Full Specs.

If you're hitting 80-82C under heavy gaming workloads, and the max temp is 85C, the card is doing what it's supposed to do... which is eke the most performance out it can while maintaining less than max temperature.

If you can't tell this is one of my biggest pet peeves.

Temperature monitoring and FPS monitoring are tools supposed to be used when there's a problem - like the game is crashing, artifacting, stuttering.
They are not tools intended to look for problems that don't exist.

[lone pond]

Got a 3900x rig I built 5 years ago, plan on upgrading to a 4k display for gaming, currently using a 6700xt as my GPU and I realized that it wouldn't be good for 4k so im thinking about upgrading the GPU to a 7900xt but I don't know if that will bottleneck my CPU

will it?

I used the pcbuilds.com bottleneck calculator and it says that the 7900xt would be a good fit but I don't wanna just go off of that

[lavish abyss]

bottleneck calculators are rubbish

[lone pond]

thats what I thought

[lavish abyss]

There's a lot to unpack in what you're asking

But the bottom line is, 7900XT is a fine 4K gaming GPU as long as you're OK with reduced settings. Depending what you're planning to spend on it, a vanilla RX 9070 (non XT) would be a much better choice as that gives you access to FSR4, which will be really helpful for 4k gaming in supported titles

And the 3900X won't suddenly become a problem in games where it wasn't a problem before

Brand-new CPU heavy titles, the 3900X might hold you back purely due to the IPC, if you play a lot of twitch reflex based games like online FPS and other eSports type titles then the 3900X won't be ideal and you'd be really well served upgrading to a 5700X3D or 5800X3D

I say "or," but the only real option is 5700X3D right now because, 5800X3D has hit ridiculous prices on the used market like over $300

At that point, you sell your 3900X with the board and RAM, and you get an AM5 setup instead. Much better investment now that DDR5 prices are super reasonable

But again all of this is just unnecessary.
I don't even recommend running Afterburner to check the % usage on your CPU and GPU, it won't tell the whole story as your 3900X has more cores than a lot of games can use

[lone pond]

Yeah I'd say this sounds like a plan, I was already considering selling my PC parts in turn for something more updated.

[lavish abyss]

What speed is your RAM?

I ask this because well, 5 years ago the PC landscape was pretty different and 3200/3600MHz RAM wasn't a default given that most kits were pricey

[lone pond]

3600mhz, its dual channel 16gb * 2

Trident Z Neos

[lavish abyss]

ok so you're already getting the most you can from your 3900X

[lone pond]

is it possible to get a 4k experience with this rig without upgrading the CPU? I just wanna make sure I don't blow too much money on this upgrade lol

[lavish abyss]

oh absolutely

[lone pond]

yeah because I'm looking to ride and die with the AM4 for a good decade

at least

[lavish abyss]

For one, you're making the correct choice by going with AMD again. AMD's drivers take less CPU cycles to operate. So if you have a little older CPU like a 3900X, a Radeon will leave more CPU available for your other tasks

It's an interesting thing. On a brand new setup like, somebody has a 9700X for instance, they might see a 4070 be slightly ahead of a 7800XT. Then stick both of those cards in with a 3700X and the position is swapped with the 7800XT faster

I can't blame you on the AM4 thing

One last question, what chipset is your motherboard?

I'm guessing you might have gotten a nice X570 given your ram choice

[lone pond]

It's a B550

[lavish abyss]

Ok, well that's still fine

[lone pond]

MSI B550 Gaming Plus

to be exact

[lavish abyss]

This is good news

because your PCIe slot is full 4.0

[lone pond]

awesome

[lavish abyss]

Just make sure before you toss in the new GPU that your motherboard BIOS is fully updated, first of all

[lone pond]

Oh yeah I already did that

[lavish abyss]

Second of all I recommend running DDU to do a full driver removal and reinstall with the new card, that will ensure it's nice and fresh... and that AMD Smart Access Memory is fully working

[lone pond]

Oh I'm running FreeBSD

but I will be hopping back on linux considering these newer cards are not supported on here

[lavish abyss]

I was gonna say

that is not an OS that i've heard anyone reference in a serious way in many years

least of all for their main rig

(old man voice) Yeah sonny I'm usin' Red Hat 8.0 it's served me well I tell ya

[lone pond]

lmao

[lavish abyss]

Anyway I rescind my recommendation for a 5700X3D or 5800X3D in any case if you're not on Windows

non Windows OSes don't know how to use those properly

Ask me how I know

it's my 5800X3D (before I sold it) in Mint

[lone pond]

I mean I got no problem running Windows on my machine, I probably will end up doing that anyway

yeah I will grab the RX 9070 and the 5800X3D

thanks for the help man

[craggy condor]

your pet peeve is mistaken then. being within spec doesn't guarantee expected behavior

[lavish abyss]

Doesn't guarantee expected behavior, sure. But when another review site is only 3C off from what you have

And you start freaking out over your temps and exchange your item

that's ridiculous lol

[lone pond]

Actually scratch that, I will rebuild my entire rig on AM5

Since im going all out now

9800x3d, RX 9070, X870e

Should be good for Linux

[covert carbon]

I don’t think going over 3000 RPM is normal

tested on Cyberpunk, Dying Light 2, Oblivion

[random walrus]

Pretty sure Linux doesn't work well with the 3d cache

[covert carbon]

and also checked on YouTube. People were getting 65-70 degrees with same model.

I even tried undervolting the results were 76-78

with max undervolt

[lone pond]

The latest kernel supports it

[random walrus]

Oh cool

[lone pond]

Kernel 5.19+

[craggy condor]

81C is 'hard' thermal throttle point, i don't blame anybody for wanting their GPU to not be throttling itself

[covert carbon]

a gpu running hotter and at higher RPM than it should can definitely have a shorter lifespan. Also, basing your opinion on just one website is kind of funny plenty of people have reported temps around 65–70°C on the same model without even undervolting

No one freaked out, and I can do whatever I want. If I’m able to exchange it, I will. You’re more than welcome to cry about it if you want

If a game you can play for 5–6 hours a day runs at 82–83°C, that’s always a negative in terms of long-term use. If you think otherwise, I honestly couldn’t care less.
What I originally asked was whether anyone has actually experienced this situation firsthand

[cerulean rover]

From what I can tell, the throttling point is still 85c, shouldn't throttle below that, as according to the vbios

[cerulean rover]

To be fair, I wouldn't trust numbers when their testing methodology isn't given, they could be writing down a temperature before saturating the cooler, they could be running some settings that makes the game much less GPU intensive or just CPU bound, they could have ridiculously low ambient room temperatures, they could have their air conditioning pointed directly at their case, etc.

I do think part of the difference is going to come from the case though, just straight up if you have a case or open air makes a difference, like GN had 74.3c on their open air bench, to the 77c TPU had on their bench that sits inside of a case. I'd prefer using numbers from reviewers that do make their methodology clear when possible, just so you can see what is different between reviewer setups.

Not to say that 80-82c isn't high, just that aiming for 65-70c under load may not be feasible

[craggy condor]

interesting, i wonder when that changed. was ~81C forever

[craggy condor]

sell case, better temps and moar money

testbench setups are sick. i will probably go back to one soon since i no longer need to bring my pc with me places

[cerulean rover]

I remember 83c from my 3060ti lol

[craggy condor]

maybe it's just my memory being shot then lol

[cerulean rover]

It was 83c target point 90c max

5070s are 85c target 105c max

Dunno what changed and when

[craggy condor]

Blackwell getting the intel treatment lol

"yeah just give it more power, temps are probs fine tbh"

[lavish abyss]

Nobody was crying about it, idk why you're jumping to that lmao.
My pet peeve is people installing software to monitor their hardware and then getting mad because "number bad" if there was no original problem.
Now if your 5070 was actually stuttering and having problems, that makes sense. But you never said that.

Your question was "I installed this piece of software and the number made me mad. Did anybody else get mad at the number?"

[lavish abyss]

This thank you

It's a similar situation to when AM5 launched, and the chips would run themselves to the edge of thermal limit with boost until they couldn't boost anymore

People were getting unhinged about the absolute number on their screen with no root problem

[random walrus]

So much so that AMD had to make a post about it lmao

[lavish abyss]

Think of how many resources were used at AMD unnecessarily

the entire technical support department just telling people that their temps are within thermal limits

A friend of mine is dealing with a somewhat related situation. He sold his 3080TI used because he was able to secure a 5070TI as an upgrade at MSRP. The 3080TI buyer started complaining about the temps. He was unhappy the VRMs were at like 85C

Card wasn't crashing or anything

just mad at a number

[spare relic]

Sometime thing run hot and that fine

[lavish abyss]

Another thing that we don't know is which PSU got used sometimes in the testing.
It could be a big difference between a GPU that's running on an 8 pin adapter, running on a native 300W cable, native 450W cable, etc

I'd be a little concerned too if my GPU is designed for 85C, most reviewers are getting 77-82C under load, and then mine is 65C. I'd be like, is my clock speed not hitting boost or something

[cerulean rover]

that doesn't really matter as long as the power draw is normalized, which they are, GN did 250w, TPU did ~230w

[lavish abyss]

That's good, as long as that's the case

[covert carbon]

I was never mad. I tested the games thoroughly over long periods using multiple programs not just a single piece of software.
The fan noise was way louder than any PS4 I’ve ever heard, and I’ve used plenty of PCs before none of them were like this.(which is mentioned this above)
And on top of that, even after I said I already read the TechPower review,
you went ahead and posted it again as if you actually knew what you were talking about

The numbers being mentioned might not matter to you,
but for someone thinking about long-term use, high values do matter.

[lavish abyss]

OK, so if the fan noise was out of the ordinary, there was an actual problem

Sorry this is the first time you've mentioned an actual hardware issue

Before this it was just numbers

I don't recall you mentioning if the core speed on your GPU had dropped either

[covert carbon]

I think pointing out that the RPM is between 3200–3500 clearly shows that the fan noise is loud

[spare relic]

What if the fan just spins fast though

[lavish abyss]

yeah, at times

I didn't know this was the norm for your particular card

if it was happening more often than not, that's a problem

you just said it was happening at times. Which made me feel like "Oh yeah sometimes it ramps up in a game for a couple seconds or whatever"

Just a misinterpretation

[lavish abyss]

This is true, but just about any fan is really loud at over 3000rpm

Fans aren't made with enough precision to be quiet at 3000rpm lol

[spare relic]

Yeah I haven't looked at my fan revs in ages

They're quiet as hell

Just a little woosh

There was a fan in my brother's ancient puter that was grindy on power up

So loud

And the fan curve wasn't set in the bios for over a decade so the whole thing would scream at full speed for no reason

[naive flicker]

@craggy condor is a 9070 xt worth the extra money over a 60 xt 16g?

[craggy condor]

what's the price difference?

[naive flicker]

Lemme check

9060 xts are in the neighborhood of $370-$390 rn

9070 xts are at $720

[craggy condor]

9070 non xt?

[naive flicker]

?

[craggy condor]

how much for non xt

[naive flicker]

Rn lowest is 600

[craggy condor]

XT at $720 is worse value, but if you can score a 9070 for $600 (pretty common) or lower then you're looking at basically equal value, just different price points

[craggy condor]

basically = value to 60 xt at $380. just a matter of how much you want to spend at that point

[naive flicker]

Alr

[craggy condor]

no idea how well 9060 xt OCs, but as always i'm happy to help RDNA 4 owners make their cards go brrr if you want some extra juice. 9070 gains a ton

[naive flicker]

Interestingly, the XFX quicksilver 70 non xt is $110 more than the 70 xt.

[naive flicker]

W, will consider

[craggy condor]

third party seller moment?

[naive flicker]

Amazon💀

[lavish abyss]

Are we still stuck doing manual vbios flashing

[craggy condor]

yeah no software for RDNA 4 bios flashing yet. i wasn't referring to that though haha. i have some extra special sauce tricks 😅

i soldered on mine bc i had to solder somewhere else for a diff mod anyway so warranty wasn't a concern, but you can jump these pins any way you like (elecrtical tape and a wire is what i usually recommend) and you get a completely unlocked PL. location and quantity of ICs vary, but they're easy enough to identify

[lavish abyss]

I like this solution but also, wouldn't you only have to do this once on dual bios cards with a switch

Like, do it only on the Performance bios side

Also which card is this

[craggy condor]

this mod doesn't do anything with bios

it tricks the current sense IC into thinking that the GPU is drawing basically 0 current

as far as my card knows, it never peaks above 4w of power draw, so in practical terms it can pull whatever it wants

[lavish abyss]

so you no longer have to worry about your power limits

[craggy condor]

this is a gigabyte 9070 gaming oc

[lavish abyss]

because there isn't any

[craggy condor]

yep, exactly

[lavish abyss]

interesting

I have "The card" for this

well

my wife and I each have an RX 9070, but mine is definitely better suited

[craggy condor]

you can still tune power profiles by adjusting voltage, but you'll have no current limit, so power virus workloads will still get silly with lots of power draw, just less than usual

[lavish abyss]

She's on a Sapphire Pulse, and I'm on an Asus Prime

[craggy condor]

the bigger the cooler the better, but without manual voltage control (which i have thanks to a second mod) even pretty midrange coolers can handle the added power draw easily

once you start upping voltage cooling becomes an issue fast

but until then ur basically chilling unless you have a really truly awful cooler

mine is pretty midrange and i run positively chilly as long as i'm not shoving like 1.3v into the thing lol

[lavish abyss]

I feel like the cooler on the Prime would do fine

[craggy condor]

iirc it's around the same size as mine with a similar heatpipe count, so ur probs right

[lavish abyss]

I also bought it used, and Asus is a b*tch with warranty on second hand products so I can basically do what I want

[craggy condor]

i can't find any pics of that particular pcb online, but if you want to try the mod out i can show you which area to photograph so i can show you which pins need shorting. iirc that's a 2x 8 pin card, so it should just be two ICs you need to short

[lavish abyss]

it is two, yes

[craggy condor]

real lol

voltage control is also dead simple if you're interested in that, but requires a third party tool

[lavish abyss]

I find it interesting how here in the US we're supposed to be big on consumer rights... but we allow some of the most egregious crap. Companies can deny you warranty if you're not the original buyer, even if the product is OBVIOUSLY within warranty period because it hasn't been made long enough to be expired LOL

[craggy condor]

yeah 😓

[lavish abyss]

This was a big thing with Sony on the PS5

[craggy condor]

most of the time i find that if i say i lost my proof of purchase they tend to go by manufacture date, which iirc is standard legal procedure for that type of thing

[lavish abyss]

if you got one as a christmas present in 2020 when it launched

yeah SOME companies go by manufacture date

others just say too bad

[craggy condor]

suboptimal

idk enough about it, i'm studying criminal law. totally different world than business law lol

[lavish abyss]

consumer laws are pretty lax if it's not a vehicle

vehicles go by their own set of standards

but consumer electronics it's basically, the company can write whatever they want in the terms

heck. Years ago the company could deny you if you didn't register

that went to the wayside

[craggy condor]

gotcha

[lavish abyss]

They probably got somebody with enough products that all went bad in an IT environment

and it was worth that company's time to go after the manufacturer in a court

[craggy condor]

i've got to be up early asf tomorrow for work so i'm off to bed. but if you decide you might want to do some silly modding just ping me and i'll lwt you know what i need to see once i'm off work, and then we can get you sorted from there

[lavish abyss]

I'll probably definitely get the chance to take this card apart this coming week

[craggy condor]

i've been meaning to do the same with mine but i'm so bad about starting projects lol

once i get going i can't stop, but starting is a process

[lavish abyss]

well. I'm gonna be rebuilding my PC anyway

I've been running a 14900KF daily for a few weeks, because I got one in on trade

wanted to verify it wasn't dying

it's not

so I have to revert back to my actual PC soon which is a Ryzen 7 7700X

have a good night

[lavish abyss]

I was thinking about this again this morning. This is what they call a "shunt mod" right?

It's also both interesting and concerning. For a card with 2x 8pin, officially the plugs can only supply 150W each. So if we delimit the power, hypothetically speaking it could go over 300W and then we could run into thermal issues with the PCIe power connection

i.e. melted plugs

[cerulean rover]

Actually melting pcie 8 pin takes way more than the spec 150w, there are videos testing how far you can push it before a single cable melts, and it usually ends up being closer to 600w, which makes sense for 16awg, which is rated to do 16 amps at 75c, and pcie 8 pin has 3 12v pins, therefore ~576w through those 3 pins would be the max that the cables themselves would be rated for

In reality it would melt at a lower power at the plug but either way it would still be way over the relative conservative 150w

[craggy condor]

same principle but technically different

[craggy condor]

2x 8 pins have a higher current handling capacity than a 12vhpwr cable, and they actually slot in properly. it's not a concern

fun fact 2x 6 pins have a higher current handling capacity than a 12vhpwr too (both 6 and 8 pins have the same number of 12v pins)

[lavish abyss]

amazing

[lavish abyss]

So then are there any failsafes in place that lock the card in a lower clock speed by doing something like this

[cerulean rover]

It should theoretically just be equivalent to having a magical unlimited power limit in the vbios with no other effects

[lavish abyss]

I've heard of that happening with a Geforce

I'm just playing it safe here

[cerulean rover]

Easiest is to just wait for the amdvflash tool to be updated in a month or two

[lavish abyss]

True

[craggy condor]

technically no but practically yes. the reference vrms are capable of handling enough current that you'd trigger thermal shutdown before you risked blowing up a power stage. and most cards have better PCBs than barebones reference

[woven latch]

Hello, sorry if this question might be silly
I noticed that while playing RDR2 when i turned off v-sync “stupid habbit, not like i had a clue how it works” my game started to lag so hard and it was running like 5 fps in some circumstances even tho g-sync is on
And then i read online about both g-sync and v-sync and i found that it is better to run with half v sync and it worked and was very smooth

My specs:
IG settings: ultra
MSI MPG 34” 3440*1440 240 hz
4070ti

My question is what is happening
Isnt g-sync and v-sync both serve the same purpose using different methods so why did i need v-sync, instead of just sticking to g-sync

[cerulean rover]

It gets talked about here, but you should also take a look at the whole article for more information in general if you're interested
https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/15/

[woven latch]

Thank you
I will take a look at it

[naive flicker]

Hmm..

[naive flicker]

Dead chat

[craggy condor]

overpriced!

[naive flicker]

I mean its only 20$ over lowest 3fan option

[covert carbon]

just got my 'exchanged' 5070FE from bestbuy
and now I'm getting under 70 C degress on cyberpunk and its not loud at all RPM range is between 2200-2400

the first 5070FE from best buy was going over 80 degrees and 3000-3400 RPM rate
if this helps anyone looking to buy the 5070FE from Best Buy
if your card is running over 80C, it's likely defective. I can confirm this is a very common issue check reddit for confirmation, people were getting over 80 degrees and they are undervolting the card. Which is I do not recommend in this case

I do not know what the real problem 5070FE's from BestBuy, just bear in mind

[graceful flicker]

anyone here have experience repasting a gpu?

im wondering if its the sort of thing i can just pay a pc repair place 20 or 30 bucks to do for me and save me the effortr

[olive bobcat]

https://youtu.be/Nvl1C5MLPaI?feature=shared

@graceful flicker

[graceful flicker]

well i know hbow it just seems like a lot of work

maybe ill do it

and repaste my cpu while we're at it

sounds like an issue for 2 weeks from now 😂

[random walrus]

If it is an issue, it's almost certainly an FE model issue, not best buy

[craggy condor]

sweet, happy to hear it man

[buoyant crown]

am I looking at this correctly? Newegg has the Intel Arc B580 in stock at MSRP?

[naive flicker]

No?

[craggy condor]

there was a $270 one for like an hour

[naive flicker]

Gpu sooooon* :DDDD(maybe)

-# *Soon, in this instance, refers to anywhere between 2 weeks and one month from now until time of purchase.

[echo flame]

Swft runs cool so there is no point of getting it

Might as well save 20

[naive flicker]

needa compensate

[craggy condor]

🤫

[quick anchor]

I just got a 3070 ti that seems to be doa, has no display output, tried on different mobos, different cpus, nothing, Neweggs website won't process a return or refund, any ideas on getting this overpriced paperweight to work or refunded?

[craggy condor]

if you bought it within 2-3 years new, you can register it with your AIB and they'll honor warranty by purchase date provided you still have your receipt

[quick anchor]

When I checked with gigabyte evidently the one I received is already out of warranty

[craggy condor]

suboptimal. when did you purchase it?

if you bought it new they shooouuuuld be required to honor warranty by date of purchase, not manufacture date. as long as you can provide proof of purchase

if your date of purchase is withij the warranty window and you've uploaded PoP but they won't honor, tell them that you'll file an FTC complaint

[quick anchor]

I'll reach out to them Monday I guess, will gigabyte honor it if I just bought it from Newegg? Even if gigabytes system shows the warranty is out?

[cerulean rover]

Did you buy it used or refurbished or new?

If you bought it new, it should not be listed as warranty being expired, it goes off of date of purchase as according to their warranty terms and conditions

The warranty provided by GIGABYTE / AORUS is valid from the Date of Purchase. Consumers are required to provide a valid receipt or invoice with the date of purchase/invoice date, and the dealer's name should be recognizable. Customer may be asked to provide a copy of this if there is any question as to the product's eligibility for service coverage under the warranty or service contract.

[craggy condor]

even if they bought it refurb they don't really have an obligation to disclose this outside of providing PoP

[quick anchor]

It was a certified refurb

So I got it to boot once, it crashed and now bios doesn't even detect it

[forest oasis]

Certified by who

Anybody can "certify refurbish" a product

And you will have to go through their warranty process

If it's an official gigabyte certified refurbished, THEN it would be warrantied thru gigabyte

[hot bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgbu-RtmIbI

[spare relic]

AI OC card (original character)

[craggy condor]

this guy recycles slopleaks into clickbait videos, he is not a trusted source by any means

[hot bough]

Always take info with a grain of salt but it's interesting to see estimates.

[naive flicker]

$1 says they'll change the naming scheme

[cosmic bluff]

they finna hit us with a 9090XT

[craggy condor]

PAM3/4 signalling bringing back 512 bit buses was not something i thought would happen but i guess 5090 will be the rule not the exception going forward if any of that info is reliable. i have my doubts about it, but a high end 512 bit next gen Radeon card is plausible ig

[forest oasis]

$1 says they'll keep it because bigger number = better

[naive flicker]

[boreal turret]

Is this normal?

[craggy condor]

overpriced you can get them for like $420 ish easily

[olive bobcat]

Get a 9060XT 16GB on Newegg for $380.

[craggy condor]

tbh i'd spend $50 to go from 9060 xt to 5060 ti. does depend on what you do tho

$380 9060 xt is def the play over a $470 5060 ti though lol

[solid glacier]

Not sure where to put this my monitor came with antenna cables

But I don’t have anywhere to plug them into my mobo

[modest reef]

[naive flicker]

Bro that was 6 years ago wtf😭

[wanton edge]

https://youtu.be/OSvyUFSIUtU?si=vvkJqX0L0q5rspAm

honestly perfect timing

[solid glacier]

my oled looks so weird

idk why it doenst look crisp

[random walrus]

OLED has issues with text clarity if that's what you're looking at

Otherwise it's probably TAA or upscaling

[solid glacier]

yt videos and games

lowkey i dont really see a difference betwen my oled monitor and my other one i had that wasnt oled

[random walrus]

Don't see a crispness difference?

[solid glacier]

not really

looks the same tbh

idk if i need to change the settings on my monitor

[random walrus]

I mean oled doesn't just magically make games crisp

It does have much better response times than VA panels (so no black smearing)

But if a game is blurry from TAA etc an oled isn't gonna help

[cosmic bluff]

So I’m looking at the MSI inspire 5070ti are there any issues I need to be weary of that would be an absolute mind changer

The cooler is my main point of concern

[solid glacier]

is the 5080 better than the 9070xtis the 5080 better than the 9070xt

[hot bough]

Yes, the 5080 is faster. 9070XT if I recall is around the performance of a 5070 Ti.

[craggy condor]

yes, 9070 xt = 5070 ti with slightly worse RT. 5080 = 5070 ti +15%

[solid glacier]

So the XTX is better then the 9070xt

[craggy condor]

on average in raster. it's consistently weaker in RT though, and lacks good upscaling

afaik 9070 xt also overclocks better on stock cards (no bios flashing, mods, etc.) so the gap narrows slightly

[quasi flicker]

The Pulse is also an interesting choice for the benchmark

I would think that you would want to use a Nitro+ at the least

Although the speed difference is probably minimal with faster clocks

[quasi flicker]

Plus undervolting commonly gets people to 5080 performance

[craggy condor]

undervolting is overclocking on RDNA 4 because of how the v/f curve works

my 9070 non xt is just a hair below stock 5080 perf bc of hardmods hehe

[solid glacier]

I’m putting a 5080 and new ram 64gb in my pc, Is there anything I should do before installing these 2? Rn I got 32gb of ram in and another gpu do I just do a DDU? For gpu?

[cerulean rover]

If your current GPU is not Nvidia, DDU before installing the 5080

[solid glacier]

Alright ty, and what about ram?

[solid glacier]

I got xmp on for my old ram rn should
I reset it and then put my other ram in

[cerulean rover]

Just disable xmp, if you're completely replacing the kit it'll prob read the profile fine without needing to change the settings but if you're running 2 different kits together you'll want to change what profile it's on

[solid glacier]

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[hot bough]

Clear CMOS if the board doesn't recognize it.

[solid glacier]

I just put in my. 5080 and it isn’t showing up under my task manager?

Is it bc I don’t got any drivers installed

[onyx zinc]

Yep most likely.

[craggy condor]

it would be "windows default display adapter" or something along those lines without drivers. it will show up once drivers are installed

[vagrant crow]

Hey I've got a question regarding a GPU upgrade:

I have a prebuilt PC I bought 3 years ago and have been using ever since, I want to upgrade my GPU and power supply unit from:

AMD Radeon RX 5500 --> AMD Radeon RX 6600XT
400W PSU --> 500W PSU

I removed the side panel of my PC and measured it and there's about a 5 inch width

I researched it to see if an AMD Radeon RX 6600XT would be compatible and google AI said that it would but I am skeptical

How do I proceed

I also have an Erica6 mobo for reference

[cerulean rover]

What exact prebuilt do you have?

[vagrant crow]

HP Pavilion TG01-2170m CTO Gaming Desktop

It currently has an AMD Radeon RX 5500 GPU but I can upgrade the GPU

[cerulean rover]

Oh wait hp erica6, you're not going to be able to use standard atx PSUs

That uses the weird hp 12vo connectors iirc

[vagrant crow]

Yeah I can only upgrade to the HP PSU 500W

But 500W is compatible with AMD Radeon RX 6600XT

[cerulean rover]

If that HP PSU has a full pcie 8 pin connector, it would be

[vagrant crow]

I could also get an RTX 3060 since its the equivalent to the 6600XT

But not sure which one would fit comfortably

[craggy condor]

what is your CPU? the 400w unit might be find for a 6600 xt if you have a low power CPU

would save you some money to put towards future upgrades

[vagrant crow]

Ryzen 5 5600G

[craggy condor]

almost certainly fine

[vagrant crow]

The CPU isnt my issue

Its the GPU

I think its starting to have some wear and tear

Im noticing FPS stutters and Frame drops

I play a lot of R6 and CS2 as well as Fortnite

[craggy condor]

i'm referring to power draw. your current PSU is almost certainly fine with a 5600g and 6600xt

[vagrant crow]

Are you sure I don't need to upgrade?

For the 6600, I searched up and found out that the minimum recommended PSU was 500W

[craggy condor]

who system power draw on TPU's 5600g testbed is 140w max. 6600 xt maxes at 185w, with transient spikes to 220w. you have headroom

unless you have a bunch of HDDs sucking up power, your total system power draw will be very similar to TPU's, graphics power draw notwithstanding

[vagrant crow]

Hm

Alright

[vagrant crow]

Not an XT just a regular 6600 actually

I don't think my case can fit an 6600XT in it

I have 400W rn in my PC

[craggy condor]

you said you have a 400w unit up here

[vagrant crow]

Yeah I do

[craggy condor]

then you're fine

6600 pulls even less energy

[vagrant crow]

Would u recommend 6600XT or 6600 @craggy condor

I found a used regular RX 6600 on ebay for $160

And another one on ebay for $175

[craggy condor]

depends on the price. 6600 xt is only 10-15% stronger than the non XT

so if the 6600 xt is more than 10-15% more expensive, get the non XT

[vagrant crow]

Alright thanks

[vagrant crow]

Would the 6600XT be compatible with an erica6 mobo btw @craggy condor

[craggy condor]

yeah

[vagrant crow]

Would I need a PSU upgrade or would I still be fine with 400W

[craggy condor]

.

@vagrant crow

it will be close but you ought to be fine unless you have a total junk unit

[vagrant crow]

Is there a way I could test my PSU to see how reliable it is

[craggy condor]

besides just pulling a bunch of power from it not really. usually OEM units are surprisingly competent. i wouldn't worry too much

it'll either work, or there is a very small chance it won't. and if it doesn't, you can fix that in like two seconds by undervolting

[naive flicker]

Gpu update: paycheck coming :DDDD

May not get this week

But soooon

[craggy condor]

nice nice, what did you settle on?

the 9060 xt i assume based on your name lol. any particular model tho?

[naive flicker]

Xfx mercury

[craggy condor]

triple fan ofc lol

[naive flicker]

It's a wee bit over msrp but I want better cooling and an excuse to go to microcenter

[craggy condor]

fair enough lol. what will you pay for iy?

[naive flicker]

Uh lemme check

400

So not that bad

[craggy condor]

little bit expensive but not horrible. and if ur fine paying extra for a cooler you prefer then it's all fair game

[naive flicker]

Yea

Plus Microcenter warranty and support is goated

[dawn notch]

honestly

im on a 6700xt rn

not rlly any cheap 7900 series or 9070s

might just get a6800 or 6900xt

they are like 50% faster

and cheap in canada

[craggy condor]

how cheap is cheap in the case of the 9070

bc i might be selling mine

[dawn notch]

I have no idea all the ones i see are like 1000 cad+

Whats reasonable for them

[craggy condor]

not sure if there are crazy shipping issues between US and CA these days, but i'm looking for $550 US, and whatever shipping costs. looks like $25 ish US for US to CA shipping

so like $800 CAD roughly

[dawn notch]

I wonder if tariffs would change that

Also im going to uni in the us in 2 weeks so

[craggy condor]

well that would certainly make things easier lol. i'm going to list it locally too, but if it's not gone by then you're welcome to it if you're interested

[dawn notch]

Where are you in whereabouts in the us?

[craggy condor]

central FL

[dawn notch]

ope thats a little father than ny lol

[craggy condor]

yeah lol

[dawn notch]

ill lyk

its just a 9070?

[craggy condor]

9070, but special sauced

it outperforms most 9070 xt's, top 2% of XT scores in 3Dmark TS graphics, literally the fastest for non XT in all but one of the 3Dmarks i benched

[dawn notch]

hows it special sauced lol

[craggy condor]

and i reckon i could win the last one too, i just haven't had time to dial it in for that one

[craggy condor]

unlimited PL and full voltage control provided you use a breakout board. i can remove either mod, but it would break my heart

[dawn notch]

ah

so oc

[craggy condor]

yah

even at 'stock' it outperforms a normal 9070 just bc it can boost higher since it's not PL limited

but it OCs to >3.4ghz

[dawn notch]

dannnng

[solid glacier]

5090 you need a 1000 PSU correct?

[craggy condor]

i would recommend it, yes

and usually i don't mind running at the edge of nominal power requirements on good units. 5090 genuinely just chugs power though lol

like it's average power draw is as bad as some of the problematic transients on 3000 series

[hot bough]

1,000W if it's a good unit. 1,200W is recommended though.

[craggy condor]

if you're running a 5090 on a bad unit then that's another problem entirely

[hot bough]

https://tenor.com/view/12vhpwr-burning-gpu-connector-4090-melting-5090-melting-gif-5389376741907012594

[naive flicker]

Yeah gotta plug that thing in

Alllll the way

[hot bough]

Also make sure to check the pins on the cable itself actually are full and even lengths.

[naive flicker]

Yeah

[craggy condor]

ngl if i had 5090 money i'd just solder in the pins indidually after warranty expires. just fck it. not going to bother with melting my shiz

[grand jackal]

Pretty sure I just had a 3060 ti die on me. It booted once and operated normally until both monitors (both dp, plugged in on diff cables) went blank while the gpu fans kicked on. Rebooted and it happened again while in the bios.

Use case is some gaming but primarily for photo editing and some work with video, esp Resolve. Budget about $400. Thoughts?

I need something kinda quick because I have clients waiting on photos

[random walrus]

9060xt 16gb probably?

[cerulean rover]

Worth trying to DDU, but 9060xt 16gb is a decent general pick for under $400 rn, if you only care about davinci resolve, iirc it's slightly nvidia biased, 5060ti might be a decent option

[random walrus]

Unless Resolve needs Nvidoa but iirc they have good AMD support

[grand jackal]

Been a while since I checked. Back in version 19 it was Nvidia only if you wanted to encode on the card

I was just looking at the 9060 though

[random walrus]

Fairly certain they have updated that, AMD 7000 and 9000 should both do AV1 (and presumably h.26x)

[grand jackal]

I honestly don't use Resolve that often and it's not like I need to render 2h of 4k60

[cerulean rover]

They added support for AV1 on AMD GPUs in 18.5
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=180710

[grand jackal]

So 9060 should be good? Thanks, I appreciate the help

[cerulean rover]

afaik there's some GPU effects or something where nvidia performs a bit better, but 9060xt would be a solid pick that does well overall including for gaming.

[grand jackal]

Considering that what died was a 3060ti I don't think that's an issue

[onyx zinc]

Yeah beat new option IMO is 9060XT 16GB @350$ or so, but feel free to pay up to 390$. If it’s around 425$ while not as good of a value, the 5060ti 16GB comes into play for preference or use case.

And lastly if open to used it shouldn’t be hard to find a plain 4070 for 400$ or so. I wouldn’t buy a used 3080 unless you wanted to save and it was 280$ max.

Also worth checking Jawa, primarily their official store for GPUs

[grand jackal]

Thanks for the advice! Looking at Newegg and Microcenter mostly right now but didn't know about Jawa

[onyx zinc]

Fantastic spot for a used card. Not the most insane prices like you’ll find on r/Hardwareswap but some super good options on there for sure.

[naive flicker]

@craggy condor might need help with an overclock today or tmr

[craggy condor]

i work tomorrow but i do early mornings so i'll be off sort of early by EST standards

[naive flicker]

Ah

Im in cst so thats what one hour later for you?

[craggy condor]

sounds about right, something like that anyway lol

in any case, i can help you today, or whenever i'm available tomorrow haha. just @ me when you're ready and i'll get back to you when i can

[naive flicker]

Alr sounds good

Doing some chores to get an extra hour of screen time :P

[craggy condor]

ah, to be a child

[naive flicker]

Yea...

[naive flicker]

@craggy condor u up

got amd adrenalin and msi afterburner set up

[teal peak]

Okay, I bought a 9060XT on release day for my son, XFX Swift OC variant. It keeps having apparent thermal stability issues, and causing crashes/reboots when playing War Thunder and Star Wars BFII (not sure what else my son plays). He's had to really crank the settings down and I even installed Afterburner to gain fan control (zero OC settings enabled on the 5600X, 4000MHz ram or the 9060XT). This has helped a LOT, but the 6600XT this replaced was able to run at higher settings AND it ran OC'd with no issues. I'm tempted to but the 7600 (non-XT) in his machine that is in hardly used mini ATX build I have, and send this thing in for warranty if at all possible. Thoughts? Anyone else seeing issues with the 9060XT?

[cerulean rover]

Have you tried to DDU and install newest drivers again?

There were issues with launch day drivers if you haven't updated it since then too

[teal peak]

Didn't try DDU yet, thought about it though. Drivers are up to date when I checked either earlier this week or late last week.

[cerulean rover]

DDU and reinstalling drivers is always worth trying

[craggy condor]

just got off work, ping me if/when ur up for some oc

[naive flicker]

i am rn

[craggy condor]

looking for normal oc tips, or are you wanting to unlock your PL too?

[naive flicker]

pl?

[craggy condor]

power limit

[naive flicker]

oh

nah

[craggy condor]

idk how well the 9060 xt's scale, but 9070 gets like 20% boost from it lol

[craggy condor]

gotcha. do you have any benchmarks installed for stress testing?

[naive flicker]

imma install cinebench

and whatever the time spy one is

[craggy condor]

i didn't even know cinnebench had a GPU test lol

[craggy condor]

timespy is what i usually use yah

[naive flicker]

whats that one called

oh 3dmark im stupid

[craggy condor]

3dmark timespy yah

[naive flicker]

@craggy condor with no settings changed from default

ok lets try this with a +105mhz oc

[craggy condor]

you'll want to try reducing voltage first

the way the boost algo works, lowering voltage is just a more consistent way of upping clocks

-100 is a good place to start. it might work, it might not. either way you're in deep enough that it won't be too much trouble upping it a small amount, or dropping it a small amount to reach your min stable voltage

after that i'd work on memory since it's super easy. i'll walk you through that since there are some sort of tedious steps involved

the process is simple, just tedious

[naive flicker]

Alr

[spark rapids]

Hey guys

Today i repasted a 2nd hand 1080ti i just bought. After finishing it tried to replace with my 1070 but it keep saying shut down and insert pcie cable
I am sure i put the 8pin cable the right way because it works for my 1070
I tried both slots for the 1080ti problem persists

Can static electric cause this? I hand picked the card but it was in bubble wrapping

[naive flicker]

Possibly

[craggy condor]

was the card working before repaste?

[naive flicker]

Or maybe you hit the solder?

[spark rapids]

Didnt try before repaste 🙁

I asked the guy for furmark etc

[craggy condor]

static electricity is rarely high enough voltage, let alone with enough current to really damage anything. i'd be more inclined towards accidental PCB damage, or a weird motherboard issue if it was already working

[craggy condor]

you might have been hosed. if it's not too much trouble, try sending photos of both sides of the PCB. if you don't have a great camera it's okay to do it in multiple parts for better clarity, ie, one photo for each quarter of each side of the PCB

[spark rapids]

I just opened back part really carefully cleaned the metal parts and put paste

[craggy condor]

it might be something as simple as a knocked resistor, in which case i can show you how to maybe jank together a temp solution. and if that solves it, i'd be more than happy to repair it for you if that is something you would be interested in

[spark rapids]

sorry but what is a pcb

[craggy condor]

the board the GPU sits on

[spark rapids]

ofc

[craggy condor]

this

[spark rapids]

right now my 1070 is plugged though

ohh

i didn't disassamble that part

there was another part that kept 4 thermal pads under it

[craggy condor]

you repasted it though, right? you had to have taken the cooler off of the board in order to apply paste onto the GPU, right?

oh, the backplate?

[spark rapids]

if you are saying the black squares

[naive flicker]

i'll undervolt but i was already runnign it when u pinged so

[spark rapids]

Wait let me disassamble and send photos

[craggy condor]

no, the whole photo is the PCB haha. the PCB is the board that all the GPU-y bits sit on, underneath the cooler

printed circuit board is what that acronym stands for if that helps make it make a little more sense

the PCB is the circuit board, the cooler is the big finstack and fans and all that. and then there are subcomponents that live on the board like your GPU core, memory, etc.

[naive flicker]

rip SLI

[craggy condor]

and often times you will have a backplate that functions kinda like a mini-cooler that protects the back of the PCB

[craggy condor]

tbh i don't think i've ever had an SLI setup

i had a whole stack of GTX 260's and a couple of 560 ti's and 280's, but never got around to SLI-ing

[naive flicker]

ok how do you undervolt

[craggy condor]

you just reduce the voltage slider in the adrenaline software

it;s above the core slider iirc

[spark rapids]

sorry got timed out lmao didn't know they were strict about the f word

[craggy condor]

but im arcmaxxing rn, so i don;t have it installed

[craggy condor]

all good lol, happens to the best of us

if mods aren't around you can get away with skipping on vowels

but i didn't tell you that

[spark rapids]

lmao

for 1080ti do i need to insert both slots?

It has 2 slots of pcie 1070 has 1

[craggy condor]

both power connectors?

yes

otherwise, please clarify

[spark rapids]

lmfao

yeah found the problem

jesus man

[craggy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/winky-gif-1096654309523310109

you only plugged in one PCIE power, didn;t you

[spark rapids]

The other one is not reaching 🙁

[craggy condor]

if your first cable is a bit closer to the card you might try plugging that one into the far connector, and using your too short one on the near connector

if that makes sense

[spark rapids]

Totally

and unfortunatly didn't work lol

For today i am done though

[craggy condor]

otherwise you can get extensions for like pennies on ebay or whatever. i'd probs plug the card into a lower slot to get closer to your cables just to get the card to POST/verify functionality before you do anything else tho

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313578851152?

[spark rapids]

I just wanted to test the gpu for today but tomorrow i will change the motherboard and psu. While doing all that i can make the cable longer maybe? If it's short because of the cable management? It's a 2nd hand pc and never changed anything

[craggy condor]

ugly ahh cables but whateva

if that's an option then for sure, just get some more cable clearance haha

[spark rapids]

The guy also gave me cables with psu

But how messy is it going to be :((

I don't like cable management stuff

[craggy condor]

as long as it came with that exact PSU it's fine, but don't mix cables from different PSUs, or even different PSUs of the same model. easy way to shove 12v into your core, and at that point not even a repair shop can help you lol

[craggy condor]

same lol

[spark rapids]

thx for the heads up

Most of my life i've used laptop lmao

So i am kinda a stranger to tower pcs

[craggy condor]

i'm the first generation of ipad/tablet babies, so i definitely can relate to the learning curve

went from ipad to lappy to full custom PC within like a year, so i made plenty of silly mistakes haha

[spark rapids]

Well if i don't count my very first pc that literally had disk socket lol

[craggy condor]

my first build i was tweaking out bc it wouldn't turn on/receive power. i hadn't flipped the PSU switch on lmao

[spark rapids]

feeling like unc

Lol

[spark rapids]

Btw if you didn't tell me that i was thinking about using the old cables with the new psu

[craggy condor]

oh yeah, good catch then lol

[spark rapids]

So do i have to unplug every single cable and put the new ones

😮

It's gonna suck

[craggy condor]

sometimes it's okay, but not worth the risk. diff units use different keys on the PSU side. so the wire keyed for GND on one cable might slot into a pin keyed for 12v on the PSU, and that's not a great time

[craggy condor]

if you're sticking with ur current PSU just use cables that came with that unit. if you're swapping PSUs unplug your motherboard/GPU and all that, and swap in the new PSU using the cables that came with that one

sorry if i'm not understanding the question, but that should answer what i think you're asking

[spark rapids]

Yeah my old one is 500w the new one is 850w. I've change the cpu added more ram etc and planning selling both of my gpus to upgrade to something like 3070. So it's nice having 350w extra

Can i use the old cables as my guide?

or since i am changing mobo

it's not very wise

[craggy condor]

yeah so what you would do is fully unplug everything, and then just use the same type of cable that came with your new PSU to plug back in to everything. but don't carry over cables from PSU A to PSU B. just use the same types of cable that came with PSU B as you used on PSU A. ie if you need 2x 8 pins, a 24 pin, and an 8 pin EPS, you'd remove all of those, and then plug in the appropriate 2x 8 pin, 24 pin, 8 pin EPS, etc. that came with PSU B into PSU B, and then into all ur various components

[spark rapids]

So u mean keep the cables, change the psu unit and keep changing cables one by one?

[craggy condor]

paint diagram

you'd use the same type of cables, just the ones specific to the new PSU

you'd replace the red cables from PSU A with the blue cables from PSU B, specifically from PSU B

same type of cable, but specifically from the new PSU you are replacing

or you can add in any other cables you might need or forsee needing in the future

[spark rapids]

ohh thx a lot got it

[craggy condor]

the key thing is to make sure you have 1) all the cables you need, and 2) all of those cables are from the exact unit you are using, not carryovers from a different PSU

[spark rapids]

Change to the exact cables of the new psu, then change the psu unit

[craggy condor]

is your new unit modular or non modular?

if it's modular probs just plug all the cables in PSU-side before you put the unit in the PC. it will save you a huge headache

otherwise just shove it in and pull the cables you need out of the PSU basement

[spark rapids]

it's corsair rm 850x

[craggy condor]

modular then iirc

yeah so you'd just use the cables from that box on that unit. plug them in PSU side, install the PSU, then plug in all ur comps

easy peasy

[spark rapids]

i didn't get the last part. Wdym by psu side

[craggy condor]

when you have a modular unit the cables don't come pre-installed. you'll have a box, and then a bunch of cables. you'll want to plug the cables you want into the PSU before install, otherwise it's a big pain trying to get them plugged in while the unit is already in the PSU basement

like this

the cable will be labeled so you know which end goes where

[spark rapids]

Yeah i just checked the psu

they specified the slots

[craggy condor]

yep yep

[spark rapids]

So just to clarify then

Put the cables to the new psu, install it, check the corresponding old cables and take them out as i put the new cables to their place

Or i can just take a picture of it before i disassamble anything

Idk i am way too hungry to think straight rn lol

[craggy condor]

it's easier than it sounds haha, it'll make more sense when you actually get to it

but yeah that's what you do

i'm about to grab a bite to eat too, but feel free to @ me if you need help. i'll probably be a while before i can respond tho

[spark rapids]

Thanks a lot mate

It's tomorrow me's problem though

[craggy condor]

saved a bit of money i expected to need to spend so now i'm eating out bc i'm lazy

[spark rapids]

I am gonna get high and eat lol For today i am done

[craggy condor]

fck that guy amirite? not your problem, that loser can deal with it instead

lol

[spark rapids]

lmao

[craggy condor]

alrighty take care man

[spark rapids]

the story of why med school is not finishing at 6 years

[spark rapids]

u2 man see u

[spark rapids]

@craggy condor yo bro

How can i unscrew them? One of them came off pretty easily

but the other 2 is pretty tight

[craggy condor]

probably pliers

[spark rapids]

Well gotta wait until monday then

[craggy condor]

what do we think about $250 for a770 le, tax+shipping included in price

[naive flicker]

@craggy condor I had a dream we had a contest to see who had the highest 3dmark score

My cat woke me up before we got results tho😭

[craggy condor]

what were we benching?

tbh it might be quite close even with our current setups. i have a much faster GPU, but you have a CPU that iirc scales better in timespy, and you have heaps of extra cores also

[naive flicker]

Idk i think timespy or solar bay

[naive flicker]

Yea

My irl score is 16895

For gpu

Also for some reason you had a xfx mercury but it was a b580

[craggy condor]

HES TRUE

waiting for evga intel GPUs

[naive flicker]

Whu

[cold fox]

No

[craggy condor]

not vs other options, just compared to what the LEs usually sell for

[cold fox]

It’s a 3060

Not good value

[craggy condor]

i'm not buying it for value, i'm purely asking relative to usual a770 le pricing

i already have a 9070, 4060 ti, etc. i want this bc i want it, not for value. just don't want to overspend

[cold fox]

It’s meh

Decent

[craggy condor]

will pass on it then

[craggy condor]

found a cheaper one and bought it lol

[cold fox]

nice what was it at

[craggy condor]

$230

tax+shipping included

[cold fox]

😊

Nice

[solid glacier]

uhh

this right

[solemn panther]

5080 gang

[solid glacier]

is that right

[solid glacier]

i did buy a oled aswell LOL

[solemn panther]

definantly CPU

[solemn panther]

which AIB?

[solid glacier]

huh?

so this then

[solemn panther]

whatr lack of sleep does to a man...typos

[solid glacier]

oop-

[solemn panther]

what 5080 did you buy?

[solid glacier]

oh msi

[solemn panther]

price?

[solid glacier]

i think i paid 1400

yea 1400

[solid glacier]

is this correct jp?

[solemn panther]

No. Do the GPU

[teal peak]

I'll try DDU/reinstall tonight if I have time and report back.

[solid glacier]

does this look normal

[vital oriole]

yes

[craggy condor]

wow does the demo portion always look that weird? i never run it lol. but yeah gt1/2 and cpu test check out

[spare relic]

Graphic card

[grand jackal]

BTW thanks again to the ppl on this server for helping me when my old 3060 died. Found a 5060ti 16gb for just over 400 and it's running beautifully.

[cosmic bluff]

The 5060ti 16gb variant is the one Id get if I had to downsize to a tk-0 from jonsbo which supports up to 228mm GPUs and its performance is close with the 3080 10gb

[olive bobcat]

I’d honestly get a 9060xt if you don’t use RT
FSR4 is great

[cosmic bluff]

I’m rt user, and I need cuda

I’m getting 5070ti tomorrow though

[olive bobcat]

Lucky

[cosmic bluff]

I wanted the inspire model from msi but they ran out except for $1k+ and ain’t paying that, so the Zotac sff solid is my choice

[olive bobcat]

I got my 9060xt 16GB for $369

Was happy with that

[cosmic bluff]

If I only gamed then amd would’ve been my choice

[olive bobcat]

Yeah
I don’t play stuff too demanding
So the cheapest 16GB option was my ideal scenario

[cosmic bluff]

Plus I wanted to get more into 4k gaming a bit

I do use dlss and fsr frame gen wasn’t too bad

[olive bobcat]

I need to get more ram before I ever go into 4k lmao
I’m still at 16

[cosmic bluff]

Ah 64 but on ddr4

[olive bobcat]

I’m running cl32 3600

@naive flicker I see you

I’ve been told my ram could probably go to 4200mhz
But ram is stuff I don’t mess with cuz I do not know how

[craggy condor]

with a $30 price diff i honestly lean towards 5060 ti sometimes. really depends on the use case thi

if 9060 xt consistently dropped to like $340-350 it would be so easy to recommend but radeon does radeon things

ig they can't really produce enough cards so it makes sense to milk them a lil

[olive bobcat]

There’s usually a deal somewhere with them

[cosmic bluff]

If microcenter wasn’t 1.5hrs away I would go grab my card now but instead I’ll wait for next day shipping

Newegg had the zotac open box for $780

[craggy condor]

5070 ti?

[cosmic bluff]

yep

[craggy condor]

not sure how that compares, but there is a PNY model for $750 flat. the next day shipping might be worth the $30 if the coolers are comparable tho

[cosmic bluff]

its the thickness and the power cables, i considered the pny model but its thicker than my 3080 which is already sagging and i dont have a 3rd pcie power cable for the 12vhp plug (chucked it out long time ago thinking i didnt ever need it)

[craggy condor]

thicker cooler = more better in my book but i understand what you mean. have you looked into those little twist-stand sag brackets?

these things

might be worth getting one even for the zotac

broken BGAs are not cheap to repair if you can't do it urself

[cosmic bluff]

ive thought about it but zotac comes with one

i was in toss up between zotac solid sff or msi inspire 3x both after a few months of research plus itll go well with my open rgb presets

[craggy condor]

for sure. i hope you enjoy it!

[cosmic bluff]

plus blender and unreal engine gonna be a lot more responsive

[craggy condor]

i have shunted the b580

3.4ghz baybeee

[naive flicker]

@rich echo a new challenger approaches....

[craggy condor]

what were your top scores? @rich echo

it looks like top graphics score in TS is at 3.3ghz. i'm going between 3.3 and 3.4, but not yet fully dialed in

i think they have a better memory bin than i do tho

[rich echo]

nuh uh

[rich echo]

3.5 ghz

[craggy condor]

oh darn how did you manage that?

i'm at the point where the driver sees a certain voltage and just craps out lol

[rich echo]

voltage 100% plus 300 clock offset

[craggy condor]

wild lol

[craggy condor]

i assume this is with unlocked pl?

[rich echo]

102% pl

it doesnt consume much power

and the slider doesnt go above 102%

[craggy condor]

fascinating. do you have any benchmark scores? i'm curious how far ahead of me you are

mine seems pretty stuck at 3.3 ish under load

it sees >1.15ish V and the driver just insta dies

[rich echo]

Gunnir Photon Arc B580 White OC
No OC: 2.9 ghz

100% voltage and 102% power, no clock offset: 3.3 ghz

clock offset 50 = 3.35

100 = 3.4

150 = 3.45

200 = 3.5

Occt confirmed what intel graphics software is saying, the card is indeed at these frequencies

3.5 ghz oc fails heavy 3d adaptive, 25 seconds in

3.4 ghz passes stable with heavy 3d adaptive

With no OC in steel nomad it got 2767, with 50 offset plus the 100% voltage and 102% power it got 3168, i then tried 100 and 150, which got 3190 and 3233.

[craggy condor]

ah gotcha, i was thinking you were at 3.5 stable under load lol

idk how you have 100% voltage working though, for me as soon as the driver boosts above 1.15v or around that it just insta crashes

[rich echo]

its gone over 1.2v

[craggy condor]

wild. i was speaking with another arc oc-er and they seem to have the same problem as i do. i wonder if it's a thing with newer drivers, or even model specific. would be really weird if the latter, since they use the same voltage controllers and drivers

[olive bobcat]

So the 5050 base beats out the 1080ti at max clock

This is a sad day

[spare relic]

end of an era

[naive flicker]

Pay your respects, mateys

[rich echo]

Only took them 5 generations

[olive bobcat]

Real

[velvet grail]

my 6950xt got its tdp capped to 303w instead of 330w like it used to be last year. I've been looking for an answer, but I couldn't find any. even ddu and reinstalling older or latest drivers still makes it top out at 303w. I could still boost it back up with adrenalin, but I wonder if this was a firmware level change that amd made on purpose...?

the tdp value is reported in hwinfo and I can also monitor it via rtss but I lost those extra 30w... idk if performance wise there's any diffr

[spare relic]

I wonder if the reading is bugged

Hwinfo is good at reading tho so that's highly doubtful

[craggy condor]

33rd place in timespy graphics with this b580, only behind 5 other users tho. i think my memory is holding me back. i'm outclocking on core but i seem to have a really sucky memory bin

[craggy condor]

climbed to 22nd

[craggy condor]

10th score, 3rd user

i think i have to call it for the night i'm running into too many Arc-isms and i'm fairly sleepy

[naive flicker]

Ah yes arcism

[upbeat sable]

Why do people say the 50 series are bad

Are they just bad in terms of current gpus

[cosmic bluff]

Bad launch, low inventory, and prices didn’t help especially when the previous gen was a 10% diff in most cases as well as some features being removed the biggest was 32bit physX from 50 series gpu and the whole focus on this generation was more ai use rather than focusing on a true architecture rework of pure performance (also main one is that they lied about performance of this generation claiming 5070=4090 performance not even a 5070ti is 4090 level)

[naive flicker]

5080 is on par with native 4090 perf

it was incremewntal at best

[cosmic bluff]

the difference is they made claims of a $550 gpu reaching that perf not a $1k card matching a $1k+ card

[sacred crow]

Blackwell archeticture definitely focused on AI and gaming was an afterthought, leaving us with overpriced scraps.

[vital oriole]

it's not even that good on AI with the amount of vram the lower SKUs get

nvidia just uses AI as a crutch to market and deceive buyers

[craggy condor]

the architecture isn't really any better than Ada, it's just Ada with an extra instruction set that doesn't matter for gaming and faster ram. it's also worse in some ways, the l2 cache has significantly more latency for example. it's just not really much faster than Ada at all. and to top it off it has some of the drivers Nvidia's had. better than Fermi but that's a low bar to clear

[craggy condor]

it's also not a meaningful improvement for fp8/16 by die area. a little better, but not a lot. it's only really 'better' architecturally if your ai workflow can leverage fp4

the meager improvements you see on a tier to tier basis (5070 vs 4070 for example) is mostly just a matter of moar die area and 70% faster memory

[vital oriole]

the higher tdp might contribute to it as well

[craggy condor]

@sacred crow GB200 did, but the 'consumer' dies (GB202, 203, 205, 206, 207) aren't actually much better outside of fp4, which ada does not support

[craggy condor]

yes, the blaxkwells clock slightly higher also

[vital oriole]

nvidia's 580 release drivers is also having a weird issue

losing fps the longer you play a game

[craggy condor]

wild

[vital oriole]

like how does that even happen

the problem is especially prominent on laptops

[craggy condor]

jensen redirected his infinite money generator into GB200-next and Digits ig

is digits even out yet?

[vital oriole]

nope

it got delayed iirc

[craggy condor]

that's what i though, wasn't sure how delayed it was though

would be funny if despite letting gaming rot presumably in favour of enterprise accelerators and digits-like projects, if those start falling through too lol

[vital oriole]

if those fall through

jensen might be on his knees begging for gamers

and talking about how much he cares about gamers

and how gaming is important to nvidia

oh the digits project got renamed to dgx spark

it's on reserve, probably means it's available

[craggy condor]

AI training will pop eventually, but by then i bet Jensen will have already magically pivoted the entire company at precisely the right time to have a robust semi-custom division capable of designing ad hoc silicon for accelerating specific applications

i honestly kind of fear for Nvidia when Jensen leaves/dies. he genuinely seems to be the glue that keeps the whole operation together unlike any other CEO in recent memory

[vital oriole]

yeah, that's a valid point

nvidia can always scale down if they fall from the top

that is if Jensen has a good strategy to pivot the company

[solemn panther]

Not really.....it's close. But not

[naive flicker]

Lol seriously?

[solemn panther]

In 3dmark TImeSpy test, I was only 1000 points from stock 4090 after an OC

[naive flicker]

1k points below right?

[solemn panther]

Yeah

[naive flicker]

Dang

[solemn panther]

Hecking NgreedAi should have done better

[naive flicker]

So 5090 is just a bigger number than 4090.....

Wow nvidia

And now 40 series has dlss 4 right?

[solemn panther]

Hm

I think so

[naive flicker]

So 4090 was always the best

That's awesome lol

[solemn panther]

Yep

But it was still an overpriced card

[naive flicker]

I might get one

Well yeah

Everything is

They're any 3195-3500 now

If i do get one it'll probably be a 4070 TiS

Or 4080/80S

[solemn panther]

You don't like your 9600xt?

[naive flicker]

No i like it just fine, just going of on a tangent lol

I don't think I'll be buying nvidia for a while unless they shape up

[naive flicker]

My only gripe is that i can't do crap in blender💀

[solemn panther]

Hm

Yes

Why NgreedAi is the best

[naive flicker]

Thankfully, I had the foresight to get an Intel cpu with graphics, so I just have it as the rendering device and then route the output through the 9060 xt to my display

It's really quite simple

[craggy condor]

it's still no good at blender?

[naive flicker]

Won't even load eevee

Let alone do anything with cycles

It doesn't crash, it just falis to try to render anything whatsoever

[craggy condor]

huh, weird

[naive flicker]

Once I get on i can show you, doing chores rn tho

[cosmic bluff]

Using vulkan in blender could help, make sure your gpu in the system render settings, but also ensure your settings aren’t too high, afaik HIP I believe is amd render system

Note: Vulkan is still experimental

[naive flicker]

Wait blender supports vulkan?

[cosmic bluff]

Yes since 4.5 I believe (I’m not home so I don’t see which version I’m on)

[naive flicker]

Alr ty I'll see abt it

[cosmic bluff]

But yeah JP is right about nvidia since Cuda is a workhorse system that’s been in the game a good time and other cards can’t access it, that’s why they became the powerhouse for renders

[naive flicker]

Yeah

[solemn panther]

Mmhhmm

[torpid garden]

ITT: bad takes

[naive flicker]

huh

[spark rapids]

@craggy condor

thanks for the tips brother

[craggy condor]

hype!!