graphics-cards

[odd siren]

Amd wants that

[raven wharf]

ah gotcha

so amd then can come in late with cheaper prices

[odd siren]

Yep

[raven wharf]

cough bad msrps that drop a few months later

[odd siren]

They want to undercut

[raven wharf]

do you think youre gonna drop over 2k on a 5090? i know you had the 2 systems with the best of radeon and geforce

[odd siren]

Amd not announcing prices is the most amd move amd could make

[odd siren]

It's 2.5K here and no

[raven wharf]

amd not announcing literally like anything is the most amd thing ever

[odd siren]

Yep

[raven wharf]

but yes lets announce 300 mobile chips

that like

nobody is gonna really care that much about

like im sure that theres a market for that stuff which appreciates that stuff

but i bet like 70% of the people at the amd event at CES were there for RDNA 4

prob more

really bummed out amd dropped the ball on this so far, hopefully the products are atleast halfway decent

atleast their cpus get me excited

[odd siren]

It's just a price number

They'll see it eventually

[raven wharf]

still though for like people thinking about buying new stuff

the company that was supposed to announce their new products just to like ignore it

its not a good look for potential buyers

atleast in my opinion ig

maybe im reading into it too much considering we have legit like no offical info yet

[odd siren]

It's the most amd move of amd time imo

Lol

[fresh sun]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-9070-gets-tested-on-call-of-duty-black-ops-6/

In case anyone hasn't seen

About 4080 level of pure performance

With what seems to be unfinished drivers

[random walrus]

Unfinished drivers but also cod runs better on amd

[livid idol]

There's a lot of caveats with that data. It's not run in a controlled way by any means, so it's not really comparable to anything else.

[craggy pier]

Apparently fsr 4 requires rdna 4?

Which is a bit of a bummer

[keen nacelle]

Probably means better results tho

Just like with 40 series and true dlss 3.0 or whatever the deal is with that

[random walrus]

40 series gets frame gen because of an extra chip the 30 series doesn't have, something about frame scheduling/latency

Same with 50 series, more advanced chip so it gets up to 4x interpolation instead of 2x

[livid idol]

Interpolation is one word for it

[random walrus]

I think the upscaling is the same across 30/40/50 though

[livid idol]

I call it "making 3/4 of the displayed frames up"

[random walrus]

"bragging about adding smoothness and conveniently leaving out the non-improved latency"

[livid idol]

And also neglecting to mention that using AI to make up frames is going to make the frames look like garbage

(even though it's not even AI, it's just an algorithm)

[random walrus]

at higher base fps it actually looks better than I was expecting (from videos i've seen) since each frame is displayed for less time or something like that

Still totally scummy to use it in a perf comparison like they did with the 5070 and 4090 though

[livid idol]

That's how it worked when it was only one AI frame, and even one frame was noticeable

[random walrus]

DLSS should have been a little bonus or a way for 4k users to hit an fps target. Now it's in every AAA game system requirements :(
Scared that frame gen will wind up[ the same way

[livid idol]

Nah there's too many down sides to frame gen

[random walrus]

right but with more interpolated frames, each one is displayed for less time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzufsxtZpA

[random walrus]

We can hope i guess

[livid idol]

But you're still increasing the total amount of time that the interpolated frames are shown

[odd siren]

40 series/50 series same arch, but no extra scheduling chip for extra frame gen

[random walrus]

oih like percentage wise yeah

[odd siren]

Blackwell is refresh ada

So ada basically got a software update

[random walrus]

wait why does only 50 series get 3x/4x gen then?

[craggy pier]

the issue is that they CAN do that and not have any drawbacks for doing so

[livid idol]

I'm going to wait for the inevitable Hardware Unboxed analysis on DLSS 4.0, I won't trust anything put out by the company or their partners

[craggy pier]

they can do a LOT without repercussion

because if youve seen mcdonalds, apple, so many other companies, you dont need a good well priced product to get customers

you need brand loyalty

[odd siren]

New scheduling chip

[random walrus]

but no extra scheduling chip for extra frame gen

[odd siren]

It's either that or the rt cores are doubled

[odd siren]

Yes on ada

I've been told there's a new chip for increasing the generated buffer

But if not that, it's the potential extra rt core per SM

[random walrus]

wait so 40 series doesn't have the chip but gets frame gen 2x, while 30 series doesn't get it?

[odd siren]

That's the reason

Yes

[random walrus]

huh

[odd siren]

Ada is Blackwell's precursor

Think of blackwell like, 9000 series ryzen to 7000 series (ada)

Better in some ways, basically the same

[craggy pier]

there is no love in this lace 😔

[random walrus]

oh seems that 40 series uses 'optical flow accelerators' which 30 series might have but just not enough of?

[odd siren]

30 series has nothing for frame gen

[random walrus]

idk. i don't really care cause even if my 30 series card had framegen I wouldn't be using it lmao

[odd siren]

30 series could support frame gen

But it wouldn't be anything like ada

The reason for that is the AI generation power is quite lackluster

I think the best way to put it is like

Basically softlocking?

But also not really

Lol

Cos think of things in reverse

50 series has what? If no dlss 4

[random walrus]

that's what i heard when 40 series and FG released; 30 series could technically do it but not with low enough latency and high enough quality

[odd siren]

Ye

And 50 series is basically the same thing with equivalent latency (or increased)

But more frames per frame

40 series could technically do it but yep, as you say, lower potential generation power, so much bigger performance issue

So Blackwell's main benefit is basically MFG

[odd siren]

Take this with a grain of salt btw

I'm not definitive on this point

But I do know there's a physical change

[random walrus]

Yeah from what i've heard there is new hardware

[craggy pier]

im curious when amd is gonna copy the texture compression thingy

[odd siren]

I'm tbh impressed

[craggy pier]

and what devices itll be supported on

[odd siren]

If the new dlss 4 engine is like it appears

They fixed a big issue

But the frame buffer problem still annoys me

[random walrus]

yeah the new transformer model looks very promising

[odd siren]

If that was gone I'd be preordering a 5090 without any second thought

Hopefully they find a way to beat that on the 6090

I'll get that one instead lmao

[hot bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a8dScJg6O0

[fresh sun]

https://youtu.be/xt_opWoL89w?si=-nY4mkq1tT9vhRpL

Fsr4 looks solid

[finite raptor]

For the upcoming Asus Astral 5090. I only need 1 12V 2x6 power connector for my PSU right?

[forest oasis]

yes, that was the point of the standard

[junior locust]

The question is what we'll do when the cards start drawing 700 watts

Which is honestly at this point a question of when, not if

[craggy pier]

basically the question is "when will my pc have more watts than a high end toaster"

[odd siren]

They can cap out at 675 one one

After that it'll be like pcie

You have 6+6 ATX 3.1

So they'd probably add another half

Not that I'd agree with the absurdity of continually increasing psu costs like that, but that would be the thought process I would think

Also remember the new gen is a refresh of older gen Nvidia 40 series

So 60 series will use a new node most likely, and a new architecture

Could end up in lower draw instead of higher

[junior locust]

Even still, it's stupid

[raven wharf]

the size of the 5090s is insane

been watching some videos of the AIB cards

4 fans is insane

i can see the OCed cards pulling close to 700w

[keen nacelle]

I really hope nvidias next gen is focused on fixing efficiency, size, and pricing

I know it wont be, because nvidia

But it'd be nice

[raven wharf]

im still just in awe of the fumble that rdna 4 is prob going to be

coming from an amd fan i just dont understand the decision to rename your entire lineup and then just not announce anything on them 💀

not a good look for people wanting to buy next gen imo

[craggy pier]

idc if the product has a good launch, as long as it itself is good im chill

[livid idol]

My guess is they'll have 2x 12V-2x6 and it'll come with 2 adapters for 3x 8 pin to run each at 450W. Maybe even one 2x adapter. That way the options are left open for just about anyone with a high enough power PSU.

The spec on 12V-2x6 doesn't allow for splitting it in half, it will just disable

[random walrus]

60 series efficiency (and in hand, size) might see an improvement because 40->50 was just a refresh

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-not-happening-not-a-chance-no-way-8ball-gif-16065137

[random walrus]

Any thoughts on a good used cards? Looking to upgrade my 3060ti before tarrifs hit. Right now, thinking 7800xt/7900gre/4070super

Maybe 4070 or 3080, though 3080 power draw might be a bit high

Local isn't great so I've been looking at ebay. 4070S for $550 obo, 7800xt $440 obo, 3080 $365 obo

[odd siren]

6900XT I've heard goes as low as like 450 rn

3080 for 365 sounds decent

[random walrus]

Slightly worried about power draw on those two

600w PSU and a pretty small case that my 3060ti @200w already gets kinda warm in

I guess they'll have bigger coolers so thermals might be alright if it'll fit in the case

[odd siren]

Which 3080 is it

If you go lower than a 3080...you're not really upgrading anymore lol

[random walrus]

3080 is the lowest I'd go in terms of perf yeah

[random walrus]

Gigabyte gaming oc

Oh, 10gb as well. Not 12

[odd siren]

Doesn't sound too bad

But don't expect it to be amazing on cooling

[random walrus]

@odd siren made a r/HWS post and already got 2 offers, $400 4070 and $425 shipped 4070S

if the 4070S is real I might jump on that

oop

yeah 425 seemed a bit too good to be true

[keen nacelle]

400 4070 is pretty decent

What 600w do you have?

[random walrus]

the 4070 seller seems legit, not on scammer list

Though only comments on appleswap and hardwareswap

[random walrus]

Segotep 80+ gold 600W

model number GN600 I think?

another offer, $490 shipped 4070S

[keen nacelle]

Can't find it on the tier list anywhere, dyk how it is?

[odd siren]

GN I think is meh

[keen nacelle]

If its c tier ish it should be alright with a ~4070 and a low power cpu

[random walrus]

I think it's pretty decent, B tier maybe?

[keen nacelle]

There are those cheap Sama psus atm

Might be worth the swap

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-RM750e-Modular-Low-Noise-Supply/dp/B0DMYRN2SF/ref=mp_s_a_1_18?

$70 refurb RME if you care for it

[random walrus]

I think 4070 and 4070S would be fine on 600W

[odd siren]

What cpu

[random walrus]

5700x3d

[odd siren]

4070S would be pushing it

[random walrus]

is the extra $90/23% worth it for the 4070S over 4070?

[odd siren]

If you can justify a psu change with it, kinda yeah

I think 23% is like borderline at the $/fps gain between them

So 23% more money, 23% more fps

[keen nacelle]

I thought it was closer to 15%?

The bus size on the 4070 hurts above 1080p tho

[random walrus]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-review-boosted-clocks-and-core-counts-for-the-same-dollar599-as-the-vanilla-4070/6
4070S doesn't seem to draw much more than my 3060ti does currently

[random walrus]

hmm

[odd siren]

It can get in fact closer to 350 under synthetics

Which, like the 3060 TI, kinda borderline with a 5700X3D

I would take a psu change personally

[random walrus]

If I do get a new PSU I want it to be sfx I think

[odd siren]

What case is it for

[random walrus]

sama im01

[random walrus]

or maybe just a small-ish atx modular

[odd siren]

Any psu under 140mm

[random walrus]

some are shorter i think?

[odd siren]

That's what you need

Ye

I think RMe is 150 or 160

Could be wrong

AGL is 140 iirc

I know that a lot of corsair RM's are long

Oh no I'm wrong rme is 140mm

[random walrus]

the segotep I have is 150mm but also non-modular so there's some extra cables in the way

looks like rme is 5.91in/150mm

[odd siren]

I just looked on pcpp

2023 rme is 140mm

[random walrus]

amazon has it wrong maybe

I can check corsair's site

[odd siren]

Amazon also lists the box on occasion instead of the psu itself lol

Corsair website says 140 long

150 wide

Ah that's what it is

[random walrus]

ah

yup

[odd siren]

That would round off the pc quite well methinks

Be good at 1440p for a while

[random walrus]

so other thing

I have another tower/mobo/psu that I swap components to when I'm back home from college for summer - that has a corsair CX650M. Would that be enough?

[odd siren]

Depends how old the CX is

I think I'd feel a little better with that if it's a more recent one

[random walrus]

bought it in 2019

[odd siren]

Nah

I think the GN is better than that one lol

[random walrus]

Looks like the super is only 15ish % faster than non super so i'd probably just get the $400 4070

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRMqGXXjOg

[odd siren]

I'm at about 20%-ish

[random walrus]

going by cores it's 21%

oh the $400 might not include shipping tho

[random walrus]

oooh it does

[odd siren]

That 400 one sounds alright tbh

[random walrus]

lowest recently sold listings on ebay are 475, most 500+

[odd siren]

Ebay isn't always the greatest measure

If hws has the dude as ok then you should be fine if you buy with goods and services paypal

[random walrus]

yeah g&s only for me

he's gonna send timestamp pics as well

[random walrus]

Thx for the suggestions y'all

This plus the 5700x3d will be under $300 after selling old parts & should have me set for another 4 years easy 👌

[keen nacelle]

W

[raven wharf]

been seeing this design floating around a bit, is this supposed to be the reference card for the 9070 XT?

and just the general 90 series

[livid idol]

Probably a reference card

[odd siren]

It's one of the aib cards

[raven wharf]

i hope its not the reference card

i do not care for it lol

the blacked out 6000 series will always be my fav i think

the 50 series founder cards look really cool tho, much better than the 40 imo

[livid idol]

The dual fan, dual slot 5090 is insane considering the power in that thing

And ofc since it's very existence defies their own standards for PCB layout I doubt anyone else will be allowed to make one like it

[raven wharf]

yeah dual fan is crazy im super excited to see benchmarks

https://youtu.be/hrwrwY2_DHw?si=QklRUWzjPV5aRtmQ

these make my big xfx 6950xt look tiny

[odd siren]

I am not that keen on the 5090 FE

Purely because it's liquid metal

Cool design, but

Liquid metal

Which ALWAYS. goes wrong.

[livid idol]

💯

[odd siren]

Some other aibs are also opting for LM

[livid idol]

It's insane in more ways than one

[odd siren]

Imaging needing to rma your gpu cos the LM leaked while it was on the shelf

[livid idol]

Remember when they PS5 launched and they said the LM would never leak... and then it leaked and killed a bunch of consoles

[odd siren]

$2000 btw

I trust it, as far as I can throw it

PTM should be the actual limit lmao

[livid idol]

Graphene pads maybe

Never need to change that

Even if you need to take it apart

[odd siren]

PTM is supposed to be one and done too

Real ptm anyway

Not the fake lah stuff

[junior locust]

Yeah PTM is probably the best solution long term

[hot bough]

My top picks for 5090 lineup style wise:

• Gigabyte Aorus Master
• MSI Surpim / MSI Vanguard / Zotac AMP Extreme

[odd siren]

@hot bough since you're shopping for a 5090 I might offer some handy advice here

Go find a 4090 for a decent price

Like 1200

5090 is not looking at all like it's cracked up to be

There will be tons of people selling the 4090 for FOMO

You can grab one before reviews drop and the price will shoot up

Your call but my two cents tbh, the 50 series just looks like extra frame gen and a mild bump rn

#tech-industry-news if you want to see leaked benchmarks

[hot bough]

What does FOMO stand for?

[odd siren]

Fear of missing out

When people who aren't being very careful will race out and get something before it's too late

Happens to everyone

A lot of 4090's have been supposedly appearing for very cheap in reflex quick sales online

As low as 1K I've heard

I haven't seen it that low so be realistic

You'll definitely do better overall if you shop smart and get a used one for a decent price

[hot bough]

Now I understand. Yeah if I see a 4090 for like $1200 I will more than likely nab it and put the remainder that would've went into the gpu right into a monitor most likely

[odd siren]

That would be the better call imo

Keep an eye on the news but those latest perf leaks paint a grim outlook

4090 plays anything in 1440p and anything at a decent fps in 4K as is so you'll be fine lol

[hot bough]

where would you recommend I look for used/second hand gpus?

[odd siren]

r/hardwareswap

Well reviewed ebay accounts

Always using paypal goods and services no matter how much anyone begs

Pretty much every 4090 is ok as long as conditionally the card looks good

Except for maybe a couple like palit gamerock

Ventus isn't desirable but highly desirable if you go into small form factor

[hot bough]

Gotcha. My preference if possible is definitely either Aorus Master or Suprim

[odd siren]

Suprim is definitely the best 4090 overall imo

I was right to go that road

It's overall the best price for equal 2nd pcb and factory binning

Not even asus did that this gen with the strix

[hot bough]

2nd pcb?

[odd siren]

Liquid is better but if you can't fit the aio in a good spot then air is fine

[odd siren]

PCBs are different across board manufacturers

The suprim has the 2nd best quality pcb

[hot bough]

I have a torrent so space isn't a conccern.

[odd siren]

It's tied 2nd with strix/matrix

But strix and matrix were never binned

[hot bough]

The Suprim X (Liquid) am I able to change to a custom loop if desired at a later date?

[odd siren]

I mean, yes? That's going to do virtually nothing tho

Suprim liquid and suprim air are identical boards

And suprim liquid is no better on, surprise surprise, a different waterblock lol

What you'd be better off doing, if you ended up with a liquid

Sell the arctic

[hot bough]

At some point in the next few months I think I want to give custom loops a try. I know the maintenance can be a pain in the ass based on what you've told me but I always wanted to try one.

[odd siren]

Go with a good dual tower

You'll get similar results to a waterloop on that combo

Suprim liquid doesn't improve with a loop

Neither does 7950x3d

They're that happy on their basic levels of cooling

[hot bough]

Arctic?

[odd siren]

Yes your cpu cooler

Change it to air

[hot bough]

I have an LT720 but I get what you mean.

[odd siren]

Oh mb

Ye that one lol

[hot bough]

Absolutely no. I don't even want to imagine the transportation issues.

[odd siren]

I ran that chip on a loop, it was no different to a tower

[odd siren]

Well going waterloop will give you more issues

[hot bough]

Yes indeed mhmm.

[odd siren]

You will make the bag heavy af so it'll affect your ticket rates

[hot bough]

I don't plan on flying for at least a year so that's good in my books xD.

[odd siren]

My o11 was like lugging around a concrete sack

It wasn't light at all

Still kinda isn't with the XTX in it rn

Acrylic waterblocks are really heavy

[hot bough]

But long story short. I plan to finally settle down for a year.

[odd siren]

Well I still assert the point, you'll make things much harder to carry if you go water

[hot bough]

I love my LT720 aesthetics and frankly wouldn't trade it for any air cooler unless I absolutely had to or it offered a large performance uplift.

[odd siren]

Much cheaper to just remove the dual tower and gpu when you travel

Repaste is like 20 cents lol

You could pack clothes inside as well

💀

Not silks

Those have static

[hot bough]

Hopefully I don't need to repaste with PTM.

[odd siren]

Cotton probably only lmao

[odd siren]

You didn't need ptm lol

[hot bough]

Supposedly lasts for years right?>

[odd siren]

Yes

[hot bough]

I needed to repaste and I kept hearing about PTM so I gave it a try.

[odd siren]

But like I had the same temperatures on a waterloop to a thermalright dual tower

[hot bough]

Dropped my temps by about 10c under load.

Oh by the way, I found out why my peak temps increased.

[odd siren]

7950X3D really doesn't need much

I've never recommended it, but it works

[hot bough]

When I was rearranging the fans I accidentally put my exhaust fan as intake and my fans weren't spinning up properly (solved now).

[odd siren]

I see

Well either way that's my two cents

[hot bough]

frankly I am tired of these arctics.

They have been finicky since the first month in.

[odd siren]

Which ones??

[hot bough]

Solid budget choice but I don't think I will buy them if I can afford it.

Arctic PWM PST ARGB 120 and 140 milimeter sizes

[odd siren]

Oh the argb ones are finicky

The regular and max ones are amazing by comparison

[hot bough]

I bought 9 in total, 6 have died.

[odd siren]

Eh??

[odd siren]

You have an electrical problem

[hot bough]

well not died.

[odd siren]

6 dying is not the fans

[hot bough]

Just practically unusable.

[odd siren]

They're not that bad

Something's killing your fans

[hot bough]

1 died, 5 have bearing issues from long usage

[odd siren]

Tf

I have like 60 of these fans

No issues

Your case or board is doing something to ruin them

[hot bough]

I have also been using the Fractal Sickleflow and Deepcool FK fans.

[odd siren]

Arctic will also replace those

[hot bough]

those haven't had any issues

[odd siren]

Something is killing your arctics

Ain't no way

I'd bet money on it

If you had 6/9 dead I'd have at least 1/60

That's not normal

[hot bough]

Only 1 died probably during transit but the others had minor rattling since day one and it got to the point of sounding like shotgun pellets a couple months back

[odd siren]

Tf

They don't do that

You either got a bad set or something is killing them

That's not normal in the slightest

[hot bough]

Bad set is my guess

[odd siren]

You should warranty claim them

[hot bough]

I have also been running fans from Deepcool and Fractal

those haven't had the same symptoms

[odd siren]

Arctic is excellent with warranties

[odd siren]

Again you have an abnormal issue

[hot bough]

I no longer have the fans on hand. am I still able to?

[odd siren]

No

You need them

Lol

[hot bough]

welp arctic is out of my home now haha

[odd siren]

That's weird af

[hot bough]

I couldn't fit anything more during transit so I ditched the damaged ones

[odd siren]

P12 standard is supposed to be the quietest fans for static pressure (aio)

That's what mine are and what reviews say

[hot bough]

now keep in mind, they have been running at 80-100% nearly 24/7 for the better part of 2 years.

[odd siren]

That doesn't matter if day one they rattle

They don't rattle normally

[hot bough]

they don't?

[odd siren]

Not at all

[hot bough]

When I got them I was told that it was within expectations

because it was very very minor

[odd siren]

They can cause a case to rattle if you have enough of them without the anti vibration pads

But not they themselves rattle

That's not normal at all

[hot bough]

but yeah couple months ago they just up and got drastically worse and the landlord called to ask if they should shut my pc down because it sounded like it was about to blow up

[odd siren]

Tf

[hot bough]

you could clearly hear the bearing hitting each other

[odd siren]

I believe you but I don't believe you had a normal batch

[hot bough]

gotcha

[odd siren]

Sounds more like your delivery driver didn't care for mexican potholes

And I know mexico

I went there

Lol

[hot bough]

Yeah it's obnoxious

my father and I kept saying they should spend less money on the activities there and fix the damn roads

[odd siren]

P12's are quieter than many noctuas if that gives you perspective

Normal p12's

[hot bough]

I am thinking about getting the Prisma Als as my next choice of fans.

[odd siren]

Those are meh

Not bad, not great either

You're in america now so I can suggest the thermalright B12-S

Noctua a12x25s with rgb

[hot bough]

What are the best fans I can get that come in 120/140mm ideally 180mm as well that has ARGB and specifically a diffuser of some sort because I plan to crush some of my crystals and glue them onto the lightsource.

[odd siren]

B12-S

B14-S if available

180mm there's minimal options

I wouldn't pigeonhole yourself into buying those just for the bottom of the case to match at specifically 180mm

180mm fans are also harder to fit radiators for

[hot bough]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12B-S-Connector-Computer-Bearing/dp/B0CP5GWBGX/ref=sr_1_2?

is this it>?

[odd siren]

Since it's extremely uncommon

[odd siren]

Close, B12-S

https://www.thermalright.com/product/tl-b12-s/

[hot bough]

How do they perform? Also I don't see the diffuser

[odd siren]

Wym diffuser

They perform like a12x25s

[hot bough]

I would like some fans that have areas where light passes through so I can glue crushed crystals onto them for my case. I plan to make my PC geode themed

I imagine it'd be a bad idea to glue the crystals onto the fan blades

[odd siren]

There's...

No such thing

[odd siren]

And will destroy fans

Not just performance

But also shrapnel in the case

[odd siren]

[hot bough]

the side

there is a diffuser

[odd siren]

?

[hot bough]

the ring

[odd siren]

Oh that

If you want that then there's no good performance fans to really pick

[hot bough]

btw am i seeing things or do those fans have the Lian Li's concept of fan connect?

[odd siren]

The ring cuts into the blade surface area and ruins the perf

And lian li speaking of which tried to fix this

By expanding the depth of the fan

Didn't make them better than plain old fans

[odd siren]

They do but trying to find alternatives without breaking the bank is a wasted gesture unless you find sama y1203e

E or f can't remember which

Sama is basically the only decent one

The rest it's a case of
Looks
Performance
Price

And you pick two

[hot bough]

I imagine price is going to be high so it comes down to looks and performance

Any good fans that have side lighting or a clear frame so I can glue crystals onto it?

[odd siren]

But in saying that you really won't find any that have good performance with an outer ring

It's physically making the fan worse by having it there

[hot bough]

doesn't need to be a ring

[odd siren]

Not something you can fix

[odd siren]

Also please don't do this for shrapnel reasons

You could have small rocks flying in and even out of the pc like little bullets and destroying parts

[hot bough]

I plan to use strong glue if that makes a difference

[odd siren]

Nope

You can put them elsewhere

Avoid the fans

[hot bough]

My idea was, figure out the dimensions, lay out the crystals, create a bottom layer of resin, glue to the piece flat along the lighting area

[odd siren]

Nothing would be more shattering than a small stone flying into the back of your 4090 over the mlcc's and completely totalling the card

Just don't do it

For safety reasons

Put them anywhere not near the fan's intake or exhaust

[hot bough]

that is... very hard.

[odd siren]

You could really risk the hardware or yourself/others if the rocks fall into the blades

I mean

Safety above all

I'm not saying don't use rocks

Just avoid where they can fall into fans

[hot bough]

my plan was to put them on the side

[odd siren]

The side

Not on the frame

Can be ok

[hot bough]

Like here

[odd siren]

But on the frame no

[hot bough]

let me explain better.

I want a fan that has lighting ideally on the side or top of the fan so that it's visible where light comes through. My plan is to then figure out the dimensions and then create a resin piece with crushed crystals in it. once the resin settles and all the crystals are secure and excess dust have been washed off I will then glue the piece to the area where light passes through either top or side depending on the fan..

i do not plan to attach the crystals to the fan blade piece or whatever it's called for safety and performance reasons

[odd siren]

If you're implying like dust then it's not nearly as bad

[hot bough]

the spinning part

[odd siren]

But small pebbles I really don't recommend

[odd siren]

And when I say dust I mean like, glitter

[hot bough]

half the size of this roughly is the goal

[odd siren]

I wouldn't

[hot bough]

let it settle securely into a resin piece

glue that piece to the fan

[odd siren]

If it was like

50% resin

50% small crystal

It'd have the strength of one piece

That would be passable

But it needs genuine holding strength

If it's not enough resin such that only crystals are visible definitely not.

[hot bough]

I want to create a effect sort of like this.

[odd siren]

You'll need to figure out a different way to do it

[odd siren]

Just buy fans like that if you're desperate for the look

Those use 3d printed acrylic

That's safe

Not worth crystal shrapnel flying everywhere

Actively risky lol

[hot bough]

What if I give the crystals a solid foundation?

Like a solid foundation that it's glued to

[odd siren]

Nope

They'd need to be so deep into the resin that they are basically sunk into it

Raw crystal look is a no no

[hot bough]

like half sticking out?

[odd siren]

It's extremely risky

[odd siren]

At that size no

It's not a guarantee

Just get fans like above instead

Really really not worth risking thousands in hardware

https://youtu.be/Ng7PYafct4s

[hot bough]

Are there crystal theme fans that are actually good?

[odd siren]

Meh at best lol

Remember when I said pick two?

Crystalline fans are niche af

[hot bough]

?

Performance and Looks then

[odd siren]

^

[odd siren]

Go and buy a crystalline fan set, then mod them with actually good fans like b12-s

Costs $$$$ but you'll likely succeed

[hot bough]

?

[odd siren]

Provided you don't open the bearings

[hot bough]

oh you mean mod the frame?

[odd siren]

Mhm

Put b12-S on crystal frame

Or 3D print a custom frame/fan for the middle from a good blueprint

[hot bough]

At that point couldn't I just create a resin or acrylic frame with suspended crystals?

[odd siren]

The point I was making earlier about that is it's dangerous

Shrapnel flying around in a case is a horrible idea

[hot bough]

I mean like 90% suspended into the resin which I can be more certain of by using larger crystals

just little points sticking out

[odd siren]

That would be better

Like they have to really be in there

And not crowded

So the resin structure is very strong

[hot bough]

I am open to suggestions

[odd siren]

But like just getting the crystalline fans and calling it a day would be way easier for similar effect

And you wouldn't need to worry about finish quality

[hot bough]

My issue with a lot of these Crystal themed fans is that they look like s--- compared to the real thing

[odd siren]

But I can't vet something that can genuinely be dangerous

[hot bough]

hmm fair.

[odd siren]

Ya putting me on the spot here lol

[hot bough]

Mind helping me with alternative ideas?

And let me know how risky it is.

What if I used a solid chunk of crystal and cut it to look like a cluster then glued the solid piece onto the diffuser?

using Jewelery glue or something strong like that.

[odd siren]

Getting better but I'd not glue I'd probably screw

Pc cases get very warm so glue really isn't ideal

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

[odd siren]

Especially with a 600W card

Like

Ok

Say

You made a frame, 3d printed, crystal looking, slots around the outside of the fan

But mounts to the fan

Using the 4 screws

On the corners

[hot bough]

oh so like a frame with 4 mounting screws to go over the fan

[odd siren]

Mmm

[hot bough]

and I have the crystals on that?

[odd siren]

No

You make the frame look like it

You don't attach anything, it just appears crystalline

Maybe you make a schematic and then use a cnc machine to cut acrylic to achieve this

That would be the most safest way to do it if you don't buy a new fan with it already

[hot bough]

hmm I follow. I lack a 3D printer and or CNC machine which makes that difficult.

[odd siren]

I mean if you're dead set on doing this without actively risking yourself and hardware you'll be looking at bespoke solutions

Etsy might have something

[hot bough]

I have a bench grinder that I can put a lapping disc on and it has a hand dremel though

or cutting disc

[odd siren]

Cutting acrylic is both hard and toxic, I highly don't recommend

Ever heard of asbestos

Same concept

CNC is safe because they're usually behind safety glass

[hot bough]

heard of it. not sure what it is

[odd siren]

Asbestos is a toxic building material

"pink bats"

It's basically glass fragments

Working in environments with it can cause asbestosis

[hot bough]

Is resin able to handle the temperatures into a pc case?

[odd siren]

Which is almost a death sentence

[odd siren]

Resin can handle it, it's more that you make that frame genuinely so secure and strong that no crystal shards would ever fall out

Which means nothing like

Trident royals

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1382003440/permafrost-pc-fan-shroud-by-famo3d-ice

[hot bough]

I am trying to figure out if I can make a resin frame with the crystal embedded in it

[odd siren]

Can you try looking on Etsy pls

I mentioned it before

[hot bough]

k

[odd siren]

That's an example of what I meant earlier but instead

$12usd

And it's safe

No work required

Etsy is the best place to find niche stuff like this

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1556272297/customizable-magnetic-crystal-magnetic

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1394285325/crystal-monitor-decoration-crystal

I'd rather vet something like this, way easier and etsy has enough examples

[hot bough]

I see.

@odd siren what if I took a large piece of crystal and cut it to size to fit the frame?

one solid piece

[odd siren]

If you can screw it to the fan then that's better

Cos weight

Crystals big enough will be heavy af lol

Glue not ideal

[hot bough]

So I'd take one solid piece and cut it to size and drill the holes needed to screw it in.

[odd siren]

You could do that

Lot of work tho

[hot bough]

this way I can get the cut geode look I want without blowing hundreds of dollars on cheap acrylic

[odd siren]

When etsy has a bunch of stuff

[odd siren]

Lots of man hours instead tho

Your call there

[hot bough]

haha that's fine. I usually spend 8ish hours per small crystal already

[odd siren]

But as long as it's properly mounted with no shrapnel risk then alr

[hot bough]

I process a lot of raw crystals as a hobby

I buy them in bulk for cheap at a local mining shop

[odd siren]

I'm not adverse to it if you do it the proper way

Nothing wrong with a personal flavour

[hot bough]

I am open to doing it in a safe manor.

[odd siren]

It's a different story when it's an active risk to oh&s tho

Yes

If you put screw holes into it that works

[hot bough]

my equipment will probably appreciate it too haha

[odd siren]

With all that said tho I really don't have any wildly good fans with an outer rgb ring

Closest would be sama y1203e/f

[hot bough]

I will likely make it fit the frame, drill 4 smooth holes (damn near impossible to drill screw holes in crystal) then use a screw with a wider head and a washer or piece of rubber so when screwing it through to the actual fan it will clamp down and secure itself

[odd siren]

Yes

That will hold it properly

[hot bough]

so long as there is top lighting it doesn't need to be a ring per say

[odd siren]

The rubber piece can be a thin piece

I'd say that's also to prevent rattle

[hot bough]

will do

sounds like we have a plan. now before any of that

fans.

gotta figure out the fan plan xD

[odd siren]

Really my best suggestion tbh

They're the kind that have a lot of rgb, come with a good feature set and not really sacrificing performance

Think thermalright m12-s also exists?

[hot bough]

https://www.amazon.com/SAMA-YF1203-Reverse-Cooler-Infinity/dp/B0D3LZNW6T

these?

[odd siren]

Ah yeah that might be them

YE1203 sorry

YF adds more rgb and probably meh

https://youtube.com/shorts/8W1eGgJAUEU

[hot bough]

even something like this would work

[odd siren]

Mmm not recalling any like that that are good

Thermalright S12 has the look, meh performing tho

[hot bough]

are Corsair Prismatic fans good?

[odd siren]

Corsair rs max fans are good

None of the others

[hot bough]

YIKES

$49 per fan

[odd siren]

Remember the pick two thing

[hot bough]

yes

[odd siren]

That applies to corsair but performance never exists

[hot bough]

First I need to figure out the fans then I just gotta work my ass off to save up for it

gotta set thje goals

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Software-Addressable-Hydraulic-CL-F089-PL14SW-C/dp/B08JXD4CP9/ref=sr_1_17?

these?

nevermind

horrid specs

[odd siren]

TT fans are also a nightmare to cable manage

[hot bough]

@odd siren what are currently considered the best argb fans? From and performance and light perspective.

Maybe I should try to make the crystals work around those instead

[odd siren]

It'd be a toss between probably a variant of the thermalright tl-b12

And the lian li p28

P28's having side rgb attachments

[hot bough]

Lian Li UNI Fan SL120 V2

are these fans good?

currently looking at the lianli lineup

[odd siren]

Nope

Through my own personal experience and from performance reviews

It'll be a long long time before those ever become worth my recommendation

Expensive, meh performance, poor software

[hot bough]

https://www.amazon.com/Geometric-Future-Tempered-Pre-Installed-GEO-M5F-W/dp/B0DGFX3T34/ref=sr_1_22_sspa?crid=2JVG8BDUXI4JG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.l-BnfEa4E2ew-c4l8u_WiPQr69uD3T9VTdAgYMVGi2eLjwIp0KMzo_CZ1KhVqTLsL1PCj6IsV9ollmJsS-aO29Ng9b_DG2XeztcWNwHUk5nUjjryQuL_0BOdWaRKFR_S5u_3oFIcOj4WOpc_UqXkqu0_eBjGq-lY4OQYSKSmfyJi-6xttJ82_r-P2iJjFw9I.vfsBBS94t7gRbM48i1Gdl-kGxclj6XVBXJtECsvu3t4&dib_tag=se&keywords=lianli%2B140mm&qid=1736605140&sprefix=lianli%2B140mm%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-22-spons&xpid=X6ooKFItjPUYG&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&th=1

whoa this is a cool case

[odd siren]

I've seen that case before I think

[hot bough]

they have a vent variant where the front panel can be replaced with mesh for an additional 3 fans it seems

https://www.amazon.com/Geometric-Future-Tempered-Pre-Installed-GEO-M5F-W/dp/B0DGFX3T34/ref=sr_1_22_sspa?crid=2JVG8BDUXI4JG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.l-BnfEa4E2ew-c4l8u_WiPQr69uD3T9VTdAgYMVGi2eLjwIp0KMzo_CZ1KhVqTLsL1PCj6IsV9ollmJsS-aO29Ng9b_DG2XeztcWNwHUk5nUjjryQuL_0BOdWaRKFR_S5u_3oFIcOj4WOpc_UqXkqu0_eBjGq-lY4OQYSKSmfyJi-6xttJ82_r-P2iJjFw9I.vfsBBS94t7gRbM48i1Gdl-kGxclj6XVBXJtECsvu3t4&dib_tag=se&keywords=lianli%2B140mm&qid=1736605140&sprefix=lianli%2B140mm%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-22-spons&xpid=X6ooKFItjPUYG&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGY&th=1

[odd siren]

Nvm I was thinking of this https://youtu.be/R8_bdbbWlrM

[odd siren]

Odd layout but as long as the fans have good mesh intakes it's usable

Tho it'll be a downgrade from a torrent

Most cases are

[hot bough]

unfortunately so.

I like my torrent so I think I will stick with it for a while till maybe I nab myself a TT Tower 900 in the future

[odd siren]

That you won't travel with

Right

That thing is the size of 2 standard suitcases

[hot bough]

Used to travelling with it by this point. In anycase I am settling down in Alaska, might move between apartments but that's nothing like airport travels

[odd siren]

Well if you say so

Couldn't imagine the carry on price for that

Probably be the cost of the case in one trip lol

[hot bough]

not carry on. check-in.

Usually somewhere around $120.

[odd siren]

Even checked in

Yes my god

[hot bough]

Highest I have had it was I think $190.

[odd siren]

It's 0.5x0.5x0.75 meters

[odd siren]

Good lord

[hot bough]

This last trip was $90ish

[odd siren]

I really think you need a z20

[hot bough]

maybe for a server.

[odd siren]

That or use a laptop and stream from the pc

[odd siren]

The 3 numbers you listed off is a third the price of the 4090 I mentioned earlier

[hot bough]

yes.

in any case, I am settling in and have no plans for flying any time soon.

[odd siren]

Felix will remember that.

[hot bough]

pin it

xD

[odd siren]

We've talked about it long enough

I'll remember

My brain isn't photographic but it's very good at the weirdest times

[hot bough]

fans give me a headache

[raven wharf]

Will anyone here actually be shopping for a 5090

[livid idol]

I know of at least 3 of the regulars that will be

No, make that 4. And one of them will probably get multiple.

[odd siren]

I'm skipping

The AU prices are obscene

RRP is approx. 2500 usd, but actual retail is more like 2880 usd

I paid near 1800 usd two years ago and it's only some 20-30% worse

Total skip.

75 games supporting 2 extra fake frames per frame isn't enough to convince me of 2x the performance when on steam alone the number of games released in the last 2 years was 33302.

Absolute ripoff here. 💀

[livid idol]

At least the 5080 isn't going to cost more than the 4080 super, even if it doesn't really have much more performance either

[odd siren]

For you guys yeah

Not us

If what I'm reading is correct that extra $500 trickles down to every sku

[livid idol]

Give it time, it'll go up for us too in a few weeks

[odd siren]

Oh yeah

I hope it stays the same here

I can't even be sure of that rn

Lmao

I'm glad I bought everything I needed before new gen

Those prices are insane man

I can buy 2 used sports cars for the price of 1 5090

I think once Nvidia's finished with 50 series here we might not even see a next gen 💀

People in Denmark were saying 2500 was similar to what they have and they're one of the worst

Guess Australia wins this one?

God

A 4090 two years ago

Costed the same in AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS

As the supposed retail prices in US DOLLARS

Wtaf

[fluid aurora]

I would be open to just getting a 4090 if I could find one for a reasonable price right now. But I can't find anything under $2800, and for that I'll just keep waiting and trying to get a 5090 asap.

[keen nacelle]

I mean what are you using it for? Unless you need the vram, the 5080 will likely be better than the 4090

Imo the 5080 makes a lot more sense, albeit still poorly priced

[fluid aurora]

I'm rocking my 1080 in a case I got doing my first build in 2012. I have money to build myself a new top of the line computer now, so I am 😁 I probably don't need everything I'm getting, but who cares lol

I game on 1440p monitor, I definitely don't need all that I'm getting but idc

[livid idol]

In a situation like this a monitor upgrade would probably be a better option than a gpu

You can get a 5080 and a very nice OLED monitor for less than you'd probably spend on a 5090

[raven wharf]

5080 still with 16 gbs of vram is wild to me

the 6800 non xt had that like 5 years ago or whenever

[raven wharf]

dyk who

and whoever is buying multiple is out of their minds, respectfully

[livid idol]

I'm not one to call people out

And yes the one getting multiple is an overclocker and you need to be a certain level of crazy

[raven wharf]

fair enough

my next upgrade will prob just be zen6 X3D

i have no need to upgrade anything

[hot bough]

I am one of those folks.

I plan to pickup a 5090 or 4090 depending on price in a month or two.

[random walrus]

Wowwww

Just got the 4070 installed and running

Slight undervolt to 2805mhz @ 975mv

69C under full load, pulling ~165-170W

Here I was thinking my 3060ti was pretty efficient lol

[raven wharf]

godspeed

have fun fighting the scalpers

[stone obsidian]

Struggling to play heavier VR titles. Is it my GPU or CPU that needs upgraded?

I know my CPU isn't great and eventually I want to switch fully to amd but I'm unsure of which I should change first to help remedy my issue

[forest oasis]

GPU because of 8gb of vram

[stone obsidian]

That was my next guess lol

What AMD card do you recommend I upgrade to? And should I worry about my CPU anytime soon?

[forest oasis]

Yeah 8gb is plenty for flat games but you are significantly limited in VR with only 8gb

My 3070ti mobile runs worse than my 6750xt in VR even though it runs about the same on regular games lol

Your cpu should probably be fine, you could try launching a VR title and checking usage

If you have the budget, 7900xtx

[stone obsidian]

How new is that card? I don't need the newest but enough to keep longevity going

[forest oasis]

still current gen, since amd hasnt released their next gen yet

[fluid aurora]

I have an Alienware OLED I just didn't spring for 4k, but I'll get a 4k gaming monitor eventually

[keen nacelle]

1440p oled is almost as good as it gets, 4k oled is really more of a side grade in my opinion

[odd siren]

PSA: The used gpu scams are back with pcbs having no core

Tread with caution shopping

@hot bough ^

[hot bough]

thank you

[random walrus]

Yikes

My "used" gpu was still sealed in the antistatic bag. hopefully it wasn't stolen, maybe I should've asked for a receipt...

[dim citrus]

Is it a good deal for me to get a used GIGABYTE RTX 4080 Super OC for $850? when the new one sells for $1200 to $1400 in my region

[keen nacelle]

the 5070 just was announced and will be available 1/30, im not sure if that'll be available for you?

[dim citrus]

i live in saudi arabia so i think 750$ of the 5070ti will become around 1100$ or even more

[keen nacelle]

what about the $550 5070?

if its that good of a deal then definitely go for it

it's a good card

[dim citrus]

idk but it will still be expensive and I don't think there is a difference between the 40 Series and the 50 Series because all of the 40 Series will get the dlss 4 right?

[livid idol]

No, Nvidia has stated that only 50 series gets MFG which is what DLSS 4.0 is

In theory they could enable it on 40 series but it's missing a chip needed to do it efficiently so it'll have a huge performance impact

[random walrus]

well, there's also the new transformer model which all cards get

and if you take DLSS acronym at face value the new transformer is more DLSS4 than frame gen is DLSS4

idk

nvidia is confusing

how about DLFF

Deep Learning Fake Frames

[forest oasis]

dil-

l pickles

[livid idol]

The transformer model appears to be what they're calling "enhanced ray reconstruction" in that graphic

[random walrus]

I thought it made improvements to dlss upscaling in general as well?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-dlss-4-actually-works/#dt-heading-a-completely-new-model

Because of what DLSS 4 entails, Nvidia did away with its previous Convolution Neural Network, or CNN, and it’s now using a vision transformer model. There are two big changes with a transformer model. First is something called “self-attention.” The model can track the importance of different pixels over multiple frames. Being self-referential in this way should allow the new model to focus more on problematic areas, such as thin details with Super Resolution that may show shimmering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXaM4WK3bzg

[dim citrus]

yeah but I need the pure performance more than the MFG and it will add latency and I play FPS games at 1440p +360FPS if possible

[livid idol]

Well, getting back to the core of the discussion, we won't know what 50 series pricing will be and how it affects 40 series until it's here

[forest oasis]

50 series pure performance from what Nvidia revealed themselves is pretty much what I would consider insignificant

Mfg is what makes up most of the performance gains

Like 80-90% probably lol

[livid idol]

As far as pure performance, yes blackwell is just an ada refresh with a few extra processing cores and more power

Even the memory is still going to be the same sizes

12GB in 2025 feels bad, I max that out just with skyrim mods

Several games from the last few years break that limit too at 1440p

[dim citrus]

ik but am sure that when the 50 series launches I will not get them at a fair price and I think if I get a 4080 super will be a good deal since I play FPS games and I don't need that MFG

[dim citrus]

yes and that's why i think a 4080 super would be better since it will be cheaper than the 50 series and have better native performance yeah?

[forest oasis]

Yeah probably

[dim citrus]

so if i found the 5070 ti for around $1100 and used 4080 Super for $850 what do you think i should get?

[livid idol]

I'd get the 4080 super

There's pretty good odds that the 4080 will perform better anyway

[dim citrus]

and the 40 series will include all features of DLSS 4 except for the MFG right?

[livid idol]

From what we know so far yes

[odd siren]

4080S easily

Here's a breath of fresh air

50 series multi frame gen will release with 75 games supported

In comparison

In the last 2 years

33302 games released on steam

It'll be a while before dlss 4 mfg makes real sense

[versed shoal]

5070 shouldn't even priced at $1100 anyway.

[odd siren]

Not to mention the 4080S should just be plain better overall

Oh yeah fr

Just figure that might be some food for thought

The feature is only as good as the support

There are driver level overrides but no guarantee of wide support

[versed shoal]

Yep. Not many games have DLSS 4

[odd siren]

Ye

Used 4080 for like $800 tbh isn't bad

7900XTX also falls in line with that somewhat but atm reflex 2 is a bit more attractive

If you can settle your thoughts before tariffs raise prices after Jan 20 you'll probably be better off as long as you immediately get what you were after

There's gonna be a lot of panic selling just before 50 series drops

[livid idol]

A lot of this statistic is Steam loosening requirements and restrictions, which helps indie devs that previously had to rely on sites like itch.io. Lots of games from that site were listed on Steam for the first time.

[odd siren]

Oh yeah definitely

But also there's no way it doesn't count either

75 games is 0.2% of that number lol

So there's definitely gonna be games without it that likely would've benefit from it

Also when did they do that? Cos 2022 and 2021 they had 12000 and 11000 respectively

9684 2020

[livid idol]

Nvidia is also supposedly working on a means to make all DLSS 3.0+ compatible games 4.0 compatible, probably through an automatic DLL change system similar to what modders have been doing for ages.

[odd siren]

I said that yeah, the driver override

[dim citrus]

so do i buy one now or after the 50 series drops?

[odd siren]

It's still not technically official support tho since the transformer model isn't completely internal to the card iirc

[odd siren]

Personally I'd say before but always get a second opinion

People are gonna quickly find out their cards weren't as bad as they thought is how I see it lol

[dim citrus]

idk i found someone listed there 4080 super like 2 months ago for 880$ i think

[livid idol]

2022 the change was announced, specifically allowing for games with more adult themes, while also requiring most devs to upload binaries for mac and linux.

[dim citrus]

idk if i should take that deal or wait after 50 series drops

[odd siren]

So if we factor out 7000 then for the changes it's still only like 0.4%

[livid idol]

I'd get it now too, price drops won't be immediate once 50 launches

[odd siren]

Lol

[odd siren]

$800-ish sounds alright for a 4080 imo

The 5080 won't stay $999

It's definitely going up

Both AMD and Nvidia are stockpiling before Jan 20 to avoid tariffs affecting their launch prices

[dim citrus]

yeah i think it will be same as the new 4080 around $1400-$1500 if wasn't more

[odd siren]

Always remember to check out what your buying isn't a scam

Check the card and everything

[odd siren]

^

In layman speak that is, it looks like a gpu but no gpu is in it

And use goods and services paypal and never friends and family

That'll protect you from troublemakers

💀

[dim citrus]

yeah i will buy it with a third party like ebay with 1 day return window

[odd siren]

[cursive wedge]

I’ve been thinking about buying a 4060 and keeping it till the 5080 comes out and then return the 4060, should I

[cerulean rover]

You could just use igpu for the time being until 5080 comes if you have a build rn and you're waiting for a 5080..?

[keen nacelle]

It's only 17 days, but i guess you could if you really want to

Just sounds like an annoyance to me

[zenith parrot]

Not sure if this is the place to post this, but I think my GPU might be dead. 6900 XT OC Formula from ASRock. When it's plugged into the power supply, only the ram and motherboard RGB come on. Nothing happens when I hit the power button. Oddly enough, just to test, without the connecters plugged in everything powers on fine, including the graphics card. Tried a new power supply, even dropped it into a completely different rig and the same thing happens.

I'd hate to toss it if it can be saved, any ideas?

[keen nacelle]

Does either rig have an igpu?

[zenith parrot]

I think the second one does

[keen nacelle]

Try booting with your monitor plugged into the motherboard

[zenith parrot]

The original mobo is the prime Z690 and the other is the crosshair dark hero

[keen nacelle]

What cpus?

[zenith parrot]

I honestly don't remember the original lol it was given to me, but I know its an i5 of some sort

The other PC has a Ryzen 9 5900x @keen nacelle

[keen nacelle]

5900x doesn't have an igpu

Some i5s do

If not, try putting the 6900xt in a build as a secondary gpu

[zenith parrot]

Does the GPU have to be connected to the power supply? When it is the PC doesn't even post

@keen nacelle

[keen nacelle]

Yes

With a different gpu it might post

[zenith parrot]

I was able to get in with another gpu

But what do I do after that? Like is the 6900xt unsavable?

[zenith parrot]

@keen nacelle

[keen nacelle]

open task manager

like i mean with both gpus in

and see if task manager reads the 6900xt

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[zenith parrot]

@keen nacelle I think that would only work with the power connectors not plugged into the 6900xt right? Since it won't even post when it is plugged in- but somehow does post when it's connected to the motherboard and not not the psu

I'll test it out and tell you what happens

[keen nacelle]

it would need to be plugged in

[zenith parrot]

I'll try that to see if it even posts

[zenith parrot]

@keen nacelle scratch that, the other card can't even fit in the case

[keen nacelle]

oof

[zenith parrot]

Do do have a bigger case I could try

[keen nacelle]

at that point id sooner suggest a cheap cpu with an igpu

like a 3200g in that 5900x build

[zenith parrot]

Hold on I'm gunna try to stick my 6900xt into the build next to my 3080 lol

May as well at try at this point

[odd siren]

@keen nacelle @livid idol https://youtube.com/shorts/XvHKCuBObMg

Zotac just won next gen imo

[wicked hound]

I wouldnt be surprised if that is just utilizing the fact that cable spec now requires smaller lengths on the sense pins, making a visible warning message if there is power but no sense pins. More recent spec changes define that there is no power to be allowed if sense isnt detected. Basically, I imagine all 50 series will not boot with improper cable installation like Zotac, just that Zotac has an LED for it as well

It might actually be a better safety feature than other GPUs, with better tolerances and detection of improper cable installations. Tho I dont have much confidence it'll actually be better

[raven wharf]

@odd siren https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-sapphire-and-acer-radeon-rx-9070-cards-displayed-at-ces-2025

full white xfx

i still think its wild that there were physical cards at CES

and AMD said NOTHING

[solemn panther]

they know its a battle they cant win, so they wait and formulate

[raven wharf]

feels like they backed themselves into a corner for no reason

like wasnt AMD like actually competeting at the high end with nvidia with the 6000 and 30 series?

werent the 6950xt and 3090ti like equals

unless im misinformed but like

why not trying to keep competition? unless they just physically cant

[solemn panther]

theyre being careful not to look bad infront of big bro ngreedAI

I think its a wise move from AMD

see what team green releases since theyre bound to be better, and adjust

[solemn panther]

yeah. but they cant go againt the 90 series

[junior locust]

*against the 5090 specifically

That thing is legitimately a beast

The rest of the lineup?

Really not so much

50 series actually feels beatable where it really mattees

[solemn panther]

hm

yeah

[solemn panther]

AMD could catch up with old raster performance

[junior locust]

And if they give RT that's like 4070 TiS tier

It'd absolutely be viable

9070/XT might be pretty spicy

[odd siren]

Seen all that

[odd siren]

💯

If they adjust correctly and live up to their promises, we'll likely have something very good on our hands

[fluid grotto]

I have a question people. Just gave a look to the (almost?) definitive specs of the new AMD 9070 XT and noticed it has 64 RT cores. Considering the 7900 XT has 84 how is this new GPU supposed to have better RT performance?? Is it because of the new architecture?

[livid idol]

Yes, it's a different RT core design so it's not comparable to the old one.