graphics-cards

[odd siren]

3090's are more known to get up to the 80-90 range

[pseudo bobcat]

Again I should probably ask. I'm just used to laptops redlining the CPU and GPU

[odd siren]

With hotspot/mem up to 100+

GA102 iirc has a max thermal limit of 89C core

hotspot can go higher

[pseudo bobcat]

I should probably ask him to run gpuz just to see if there's any hotspots

[odd siren]

There will be

Always is lol

I would ask instead what paste it is

If he says something like "Kryonaught" or maybe "Corsair" or something like that, it's bleh

[pseudo bobcat]

Too thin?

[odd siren]

Uh...

Not quite the right word

Depending on sample, even in good pastes

Variance is quite easy to accomplish

So you can get pastes that are just very easily heat saturated

Like the bad picks

And those quite literally dry out on short notice

[pseudo bobcat]

Ah ok

Any recommendations?

[odd siren]

It happens even on the pastes we recommend

MX-6 is solid tbh

You can get bad batches even nowadays

[forest oasis]

you should use mx5 frfr frfrfrfr

[odd siren]

And quickly evaporating paste is a sign of a bad batch on a good pick

[pseudo bobcat]

Already use mx4 on my CPU, so I know the name.

[odd siren]

But I'm not entirely surprised he says it's happening

The XTX I have

It has a slightly similar sized GCD

(Middle die)

MX-6 evaporates on that after 6 weeks to the day

450-ish watts on a die that size...it checks out tbh

But my experience with ampere is you shouldn't need PTM

However it would be a pretty penultimate fix if it came to that

Since PTM is just so much better at being a paste lol

[pseudo bobcat]

Hmm, not reassuring whatsoever (different seller, I just thought this answer to "what's wrong with the card" was funny)

[livid idol]

You'll never get a straight answer, it's in their interests to play dumb

[frank dagger]

Alright, its that time again! For the cursed build problems!

my GPU now seems to just go blank and display nothing after a possible set amount of time(it lasts 2-3 hours). No DC sound of it losing connection to the PCIE, reinstalled clean drivers, and pc auto reboots after a while...

And again, some reason pc doesn't want to record crash logs

[odd siren]

@frank dagger change how the pc is plugged into power

So new plug on a power board, new plug on the wall socket, different wall socket

Try that for a bit see if it's better

[frank dagger]

i should also mention... other change is that i got a refurb corsair psu after the other one had some problems

it is out of the refurb waranty... but if it is that.... ima be mad, but im tryin another stress again after reseating it again

[odd siren]

Try a different power plug

Different wall plug

[frank dagger]

Ye, i think it was the power strip. Connected to wall and nothing up yet. Supposedly it was a better power strip too but damn it. Guess it sucks. I may as well try and find a UPS then?
Fudge...

Nevermind...

I think psu is bad again...

Maybe I'll do a psu stress test

[keen nacelle]

Not sure thats a good idea

Psu causing issues can kill other parts

[frank dagger]

it didn't shut down the pc per say, but it seemed to failsafe, slow shutdown while the screen was black, then restarted after a good few minutes.

that's what the error is now

i still feel like doin at least one psu test. this only happened 3 times.
refurb waranty is already long gone. corsair is 2 months. we're already 5 months in on this one.

[keen nacelle]

reset cmos?

could also try power limiting gpu to like 60%

id also monitor cpu/gpu/vrm temps under load

[frank dagger]

limiting power did make the previous unit stable though at the cost of performance.
its winter and my home has poor insulation. so temps are below 80C guaranteed

[keen nacelle]

oh yeah i just mean as a way to see if psu is the issue

[keen nacelle]

and that's not really how that works

contact could be bad somewhere, maybe not enough paste, bad pads, good few things that could cause bad temps

[frank dagger]

Yep, psu stress broke it

Possibly another bad psu...

[keen nacelle]

what psu is it

and it could be a mobo issue too, maybe cpu power delivery

[frank dagger]

The corsair rmx 850W, refurbished. Previous unit had similar problems of being unstable

[keen nacelle]

hmm, otherwise same pc?

[frank dagger]

Yep. Default, nothing was changed since the last time

So probably bad luck on the PSU then

[keen nacelle]

id suspect other things first

[frank dagger]

I can lower the power to make it stable until i get something new. I put it at 70% before.

[keen nacelle]

odds of two bad psus is lower than something else being the issue

[frank dagger]

I bought sleeved cables when the previous unit was bad. So bad power cables isn't the question

[keen nacelle]

do you have a full pc list?

[frank dagger]

ryzen 3900x
aorus pro-p b550M
corsair vengence platnium 32gb 3600 hrz
3080ti FE
corsair 850 RMX (refurbished)

[keen nacelle]

this is weird but try disabling xmp

or just clearing cmos

?cmos

[neat venture]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[keen nacelle]

doing that will disable xmp w it

id also check what cpu temps are like, especially if you haven't repasted the cpu in a while (no clue if this is a fully new build or not but I imagine not with a 3900x)

[frank dagger]

2021 was when it was updated. i have repasted after hot swapping cpu's back in june.

[keen nacelle]

id just check temps and voltage just in case

[frank dagger]

what am i lookin for in voltages?
im not sure how to gauge that yet.

[keen nacelle]

if you have a cpu benchmark run a multi core test and send me a ss of the voltage section

honestly ima tag in @livid idol if youre around for the voltage help

[livid idol]

Yeah I'm here, just didn't want to step on toes

[keen nacelle]

oh nw id never care about that

most of yall are more educated than i am lmao

[livid idol]

It can be confusing for people on the other end with multiple people giving directions and theories

CMOS clear is a good start, maybe a BIOS update too

If the BIOS is from 2021 then there's multiple major fixes since then

[frank dagger]

oh, bio's been updates since june as well.

WELP! there's a new one last month!

I started a gpu stress test on OCCT in extreme before you suggested cpu and it survived.
Ima do cpu before update bios, disabling xmp, and under voltin the gou

i wish the dang motherboard manual actually shows what sensor is where, but one place is around 90C

everything else is 50 and below

[livid idol]

What's the name of the sensor is at 90

[frank dagger]

temp #5 off the icue

[livid idol]

OCCT has it's own monitoring

I recommend closing iCue completely

To avoid conflicts

[frank dagger]

oh, it seems to be CPU... temp #5 seems to be cpu based off process of elimination

[livid idol]

Yeah but which part of the CPU, because iCue doesn't tell you

hwinfo64, which is what occt is using, will tell you

[frank dagger]

i dunno what else to say, it just says cpu

that's whats high

cause of the cpu stress test now atm

[livid idol]

Oh that's the motherboard sensor section, so that'll be socket temp

Look under the CPU section

[frank dagger]

seems fine

Usin a 2 fan thick aio btw.
The corsair H115i elite capellix

[keen nacelle]

is that under load?

[livid idol]

During the stress test yes

It's within the safety limits but still higher than I'd be comfortable with personally

You might benefit from a repaste of the CPU

[frank dagger]

Realistically i wouldn't be near those limits since i just do gaming now. Usually under 70-75C

Also have all the filters and panel on atm. Its the corsair crystal 280x case (the verge build case)

[livid idol]

Yeah but the problem with that is when you're gaming it'll boost higher, which makes it more sensitive to heat

[frank dagger]

Its all on stock speeds though

[livid idol]

Right, it boosts as part of the stock behavior

[frank dagger]

How does this factor in now than the multiple times from before?

[keen nacelle]

id still reset cmos and try running with xmp disabled

corsair ram can be fun

[livid idol]

Older CPUs get more sensitive to voltage, some more than others

But if that's corsair memory then I do agree that can be a point to look at

[frank dagger]

I'll do a RAM stress test tomorrow

Cpu is the last thing i can do tonight

[livid idol]

You can start it now and let it run overnight

But not OCCT, it's too light

[frank dagger]

I'd rather see the results over 4 hours of stress testing than to watch it reboot and not know if it passed or not

[livid idol]

That's why I would recommend using y-cruncher, it logs everything independently and you can just open the log it generates as it runs

http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/#Download

[frank dagger]

Not sure if i still have it atm after wipping the os back in june. But let me see

Still got it, running now

[livid idol]

Run the VT3 stress test

You can launch it by dropping this file into the folder and opening it

If it gives an error that means you need to update ycruncher

VT3 is somewhat newer

[frank dagger]

i gotta do that tomorrow then. the app doesn't have an auto update. i gotta look and find it in the russian site then that isn't translating.

[livid idol]

What russian site? I linked the download page

[livid idol]

.

[frank dagger]

When i clicked home it led me to something else

[livid idol]

Here's the direct link then http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/y-cruncher v0.8.5.9543.zip

That sounds like you clicked an ad that led to a sketchy site or something

[frank dagger]

Nope, that was from the same site i download the test mem back in last year... clicked the home from the app. Led me to something else

[livid idol]

Oh I'm not talking about testmem5

This is totally different

TM5 won't do logging just in case it does crash, y-cruncher will

And I don't think TM5 has been updated in a long time, just new profiles have been made

[odd siren]

Try another wall socket

If that really helped then we were definitely on the right track, if now you get repeatable lower degree issues then it'll be windows stability as a result of dirty power instead, which can be fixed potentially

[hot bough]

Does anyone know what the release date and likely cost of the 5090 is going to be?

[random walrus]

January 2025

No price announcement yet. Based on the fact that the 4090 was MSRP $1600 but has been stuck at 2k, and the 5090 is supposedly a big jump, I'd guess $2500-3000 for the 5090

[hot bough]

Ouch that is steep.

Well I guess we will see how things go. I have been working my butt off to bank $2,000 for a GPU upgrade.

[random walrus]

May depend on whether or not the the 5080 & variants pull down 4090 pricing

But yeah leaks say 5090 has 30% more compute units than 4090, 32gb vram, and some other spec boosts

[hot bough]

If that's true that sounds like a tremendous improvement over my 3070 Workstation and gaming wise.

[naive bane]

Poor technicians.. they need to install so many 5090s

I mean the anxiety of putting one in x.x

[craggy pier]

Nvidia will be like
"Well how else are you gonna get the performance? We're gonna charge 50% more because we actually really need the money 🥺"

[random walrus]

I mean that's how a free market works or whatever

If nobody is able to compete with them at that level they get to choose the prices

Though with the 4090 consumers are actually choosing the prices, it's selling for well over MSRP (and as far as I know not being scalped)

[dawn notch]

Coil whine / rattle under load

Asus 6700xt

I'm thinking of gluing the caps and inductors

[frank dagger]

Started the test

[forest oasis]

capacitor noises come from inside the cap, and wont be fixed by just putting glue over it
coil whine on the other hand could be fixed with hot glue sometimes

[dawn notch]

i saw smtg about them rattlting together

[forest oasis]

wdym

[dawn notch]

like if they are close together sometimes they can bump

[forest oasis]

hmm

[dawn notch]

idk

[forest oasis]

there shouldnt really be an issue on computers though

most capacitors are surface mount

[dawn notch]

i just want a way to permanantly fix it

not with software

and it sounds like a coil\

so

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/how-to-quickly-easily-fix-coil-whine-coil-choke-noise.294015/

[frank dagger]

I know ya think its the RAM at fault. But we've tested it over 4 instances in the past 3 years. I think maybe its fine doods. As much as corsair could be poo. Maybe this set is actually a good one.
10 min past, so far so good

[livid idol]

It can take several hours for an error to show itself, and the VT3 test is also testing parts of the CPU in the process like the infinity fabric and memory controller

I usually say 12 hours min, 24 preferred

[tough plinth]

what does this mean? i just had a crash so i checked for updates and it just showed me this

[forest oasis]

Perhaps it was in the middle of a download and crashed

[tough plinth]

how could i redownload?

[forest oasis]

Idk

I've never had this issue

Maybe a driver reinstallation

[frank dagger]

3hrs and still fine. Ima leave it overnight. It'll hold

[boreal turret]

Every time when I start up my PC my computer fans start to spin really fast at 70% for a few seconds by a few seconds I mean at most around five seconds and then it goes back to normal. My fan curve is set to be at 40% when the computer is in its 30s in terms of Celsius But when I turn my PC on right now it was at 38 Celsius and the fan curve was 71%.

[tough plinth]

it now says this

[limber flax]

Then it should be updated

[keen nacelle]

Pretty sure this is normal

[forest oasis]

many computers do this on boot; 100% fan speed until POST is finished

which is a few seconds

[limber flax]

also helps with booting startup programs

it's booting all of them at once

[boreal turret]

What is post

[forest oasis]

Power On Self Test

[boreal turret]

Well it didn’t always happen it started like a year ago

[forest oasis]

Some people bypass it for faster boot

[boreal turret]

When u turned it on a few min ago it didn’t stop spinning fast

[boreal turret]

?

[forest oasis]

Skipping POST makes your PC start like 3 seconds faster

[boreal turret]

Does skipping make the fans run fast

[forest oasis]

No, would do the opposite likely

[boreal turret]

How do I skip it

[forest oasis]

Fast boot in the bios setting
Might have a different name

Idk if it skips fan checks

[frank dagger]

it made it 12 hours

dood this ram set is good guys, can we drop the sus on this set now after the 5th stress test?

[toxic topaz]

im having a hard time finding a rx 7900 xt that can fit in my pc case

[keen nacelle]

Do you alr own the case

[toxic topaz]

yea

i have a complete pc just upgrading my gpu

[random walrus]

what case?

[toxic topaz]

its a montech x1 mesh black

[keen nacelle]

And what cpu?

[toxic topaz]

ryzen 7 5800x

[keen nacelle]

And yeah doesn't look like many 7900xts fit in there, and the ones that do are oos

At least in the US

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QgcgXL/powercolor-fighter-oc-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx-7900-gre-16g-foc

Imo that's the answer

This has worse cooling but is shorter, the power color will be cutting it close length wise

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ln4Zxr/asrock-challenger-oc-radeon-rx-7900-gre-16-gb-video-card-rx7900gre-cl-16go

[toxic topaz]

these are gre

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[keen nacelle]

.

[toxic topaz]

hmm

[keen nacelle]

So your options are not getting a 7900xt, or replacing case

Also what power supply do you have

[toxic topaz]

a 500 watt evga bronze

[keen nacelle]

5800x will limit a 7900xt too

[keen nacelle]

Im assuming you were planning to swap that too

[toxic topaz]

ye

[keen nacelle]

Bc that's not handling a 7800xt let alone 7900 lol

[toxic topaz]

what cpu would be good

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2W26Mp/cooler-master-mwe-gold-750-v3-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpx-7503-afag-2buv

On the same socket, 5700x3d and 5800x3d have all non 3d cpus beat by about 20%

Switching mobo and ram too, 7500f, 7600/x, 7800x3d or 9800x3d should be the main options

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9XNYcf/bitfenix-bfg-gold-atx30-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp-bga850umag

Id do one of those for psu

[toxic topaz]

alright thank u

[toxic topaz]

another thing, which case should i buy that offer good airflow

[forest oasis]

Anything that doesn't have a solid front panel

[lime pollen]

AMD cards are malware

[craggy pier]

My guy is so devoted he joined this server almost a year ago and only spoke now to call AMD malware

Hard not to respect it tbh

[novel palm]

windows 11 forced an update and afterwards i had no display with the gpu connected. had to reinstall drivers for the gpu to display again. now when im doing something, after a while my screen turns black and i have to restart my pc for it to work again. any fix to this?

[frank dagger]

Also maybe as another hint. I have a power strip that shows amp draw on it. It went from 5 amps to 2 amps as soon as the complications began

[odd siren]

Can you try a different socket in the house mate

I still suspect it's power

[frank dagger]

Yep... still fails even on a new socket

So its the PSU then

[livid idol]

Sounds like you got a bad driver update. You can try uninstalling recent Windows Updates.

[hot bough]

How large of a PSU do you guys think I will need for next gen's gpus?

Currently banking up for the new release.

[junior locust]

850 at the very least
1000 or more most likely

like I'm expecting needing a 1200w with something like 13/14th gen i7/i9 going along it

[livid idol]

If you're looking at a 5090 maybe yeah

I've seen dual 12V-2x6 plugs

Which could just be for reliability reasons (nvidia begging us not to melt their GPUs again)

[hot bough]

Is a good 1000 watt or more PSU?

[hot bough]

Yeah, hopfully this time around I can finally save up enough to upgrade and not get slammed with medical bills.

[livid idol]

1000W should be good. I can't imagine needing more unless you unlock the power on Intel.

As it is, 850W is plenty for the 4090 with room to spare

[hot bough]

How much does a good modular 1000W psu cost nowadays?

[livid idol]

$130-170 depending on what features you need.
Cheapest with dual 12V-2x6 for example is $150 but it's a new model with few reviews.

[novel palm]

i havent tried uninstalling windows updates but ive ddu’d several times and reinstalled amd drivers and the issue still persists

i cant even boot my pc up with my gpu and need to switch to cpu sometimes

well it just displayed msi and then no signal

[livid idol]

You can always try safe mode. I assume you know how since you did ddu.

[novel palm]

i uninstalled a windows quality update, it booted fine, but once i entered in my password in the lock screen it went black

restarted again and now it works

hopefully it stays that way

man it just shut off

it goes to no signal even on safe mode

[novel palm]

motherboard VGA light on

[hot bough]

So $200 should get a good psu without much of a problem then?

[livid idol]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CC88BCG9?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1
Dual power just in case the 5090 does end up needing it

[hot bough]

awesome thank you.

Should I be concerned by the fact that it says it needs a enitre month to arrive?

[livid idol]

High capacity power supplies are in short... Uh, supply. That's the manufacturer selling it.

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

I will probably purchase the power supply come holiday sales then get the first 5090 I can snag within $2000 come release.

[frank dagger]

Even power limiting didn't help, still crashes to black and reboots

[frank dagger]

Now its starting to fail in idle...

[zenith merlin]

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[naive bane]

Is it still true that laptop 4070 gpu for example aren't the same as 4070 desktop gpu in terms of performance while the laptop is hooked into the outlet or not, let alone ram?

[junior locust]

Very far from it

A laptop "4090" is about a desktop 4080 in performance

regardless of power limits and whether you have it plugged into the wall

[odd siren]

Regardless of *laptop power limits

[junior locust]

Ye my bad

[odd siren]

If you crank many mobile chips to the tdp of their desktop equivalent, you should get the same performance

[junior locust]

I mean they're not gonna take all that power

[limber flax]

Whether you can is another issue

[junior locust]

Cuz cooling

It will fry itself before reaching that power level

[odd siren]

I mean there's tons of factors

PCIE wiring

Cooling

[limber flax]

Mount CPU cooler on it

[odd siren]

Vram count

Power filtering

But if the cores are the same, the theory exists

Like how a 13900HX is just a 13900K if you can cool it

[junior locust]

also apparently
a laptop 4070 at 120w is at best equal or up to 25% slower compared to a desktop 4060 Ti 8Gb

[odd siren]

Because 4070m sucks

[junior locust]

Sample size is one video with like 9 games

so grain of salt

[odd siren]

It's more like 4060 super

[junior locust]

But yeah, 4070m is not really amazing

[limber flax]

Is a 4060m better then? Assuming same power limit

[junior locust]

So in this particular case, very much true, and probably always will be true honesly (because power and cooling is the limiting factor)

[junior locust]

I don't think so, but that's mainly because 4000 series mobile stuff kinda stinks in general iirc

[limber flax]

Fair enough

[junior locust]

the problem is that it's marketed as just a 4070 when it is in fact

[limber flax]

I dunno anything about 4000 series mobile

[junior locust]

Not the same transistor count as a desktop card

there is no notion of them being mobile chips

[limber flax]

Its not the same damn card then is it

[junior locust]

100% not

[limber flax]

Oh yeah its the same card with just less cores

[junior locust]

Then it's really not the same card now is it?

[limber flax]

Nuh uh

They different

[junior locust]

But yeah, I'm just

Honestly disappointed

3000 series mobile is unironically better value with the discounts (if there are discounts)

[limber flax]

Going back to buy 3000 mobile kekw

That's hilarious

[odd siren]

In a price by price situation it usually is yes

Most laptops charge 100, maybe 200 more for the 70

For basically nil improvement

(I know not 0) but it's pretty bad

[junior locust]

Isn't a 3070 laptop like 10% slower but cost like 30% less now?

[limber flax]

Time to buy last gen Zephyrus g14-

[odd siren]

4060m

[junior locust]

What's the gap to a 4070m then? 25%?

[odd siren]

Like less than 10%

[junior locust]

I'm not exactly the most versed in mobile GPUs I will admit

But I know for sure that mobile GPUs are a lot slower than the same name desktop GPUs

[odd siren]

Not always

The 60 class ones are quite comparable if the TDP is high enough

[craggy pier]

if you want to feel scammed buying a mobile gpu get a 4090m

that thing alone costs more than my entire system only to perform about as well as my gpu

[livid idol]

The 4090m is literally the same die as the 4080 desktop and it can get less fps than the 4070m if it has bad power and/or cooling

[craggy pier]

but laptop cooling is so good!

[livid idol]

Yeah that single heat pipe on a vapor chamber can totally cool 200W

[odd siren]

Dell engineers be like:

[livid idol]

120mm aio on a 14900k and another for a 4090 should do it, no more fans are needed in the entire system except those 2

[odd siren]

"What? They increased the power consumption!? But the chip's the same size, tthat's just crazy talk"

Tightens stock fan faster

[craggy pier]

what, the more power the better it'll run, right? thats totally how it works, right? 🥲

[odd siren]

"You folks and your crazy talk"

"Can't you see we're at the top of userbenchmark?"

[craggy pier]

thats the kind of talk youd see on linkedIn

[toxic topaz]

@keen nacelle sorry to bother u but which one should i buy?

[keen nacelle]

The cheapest, or the sapphire pulse if its within $10-20 of the cheapest

Hellhound is also a bit better than the other models, but at the end of the day it'll be a negligible difference

So I'd say phantom gaming oc or the sapphire pulse, I think the sapphire has a longer warranty

[toxic topaz]

thank u!!

[keen nacelle]

Np

[toxic topaz]

it'll be a bit cheaper since i have $50 giftcard and student discount

[keen nacelle]

Nice

We are getting really close to black Friday cyber Monday

[toxic topaz]

should i wait until cyber monday

[keen nacelle]

It wouldn't surprise me to see prices fall another $50-100 then

Last year we had a 7900xtx like $300 cheaper than it was going for at the time

[toxic topaz]

holy

if i did buy a xtx

[keen nacelle]

It didn't last long but it isn't a bad idea. It's up to you if you'd rather wait a bit and potentially save money, or just buy and forget about it

[toxic topaz]

would the powersupply i bought be enough for it?

[keen nacelle]

What psu was it? I forget

[toxic topaz]

i bought this one ^

[livid idol]

Those 6950 XT deals were crazy too a couple years ago

[keen nacelle]

Xtx might be pushing it with a 750w

I'd prolly stick to the regular xt, or power limit an xtx. It has some high power spikes

[toxic topaz]

ill upgrade my cpu in a few months too

[livid idol]

It should be fine if it's paired with a lower power or AMD processor

[toxic topaz]

one more thing

[keen nacelle]

What cpu you on rn again?

7600?

[toxic topaz]

i have ryzen 7 5800x

[keen nacelle]

Ah alr

You gonna go am5 or 5700x3d?

[toxic topaz]

pc part picker wrote a note at the bottom

[keen nacelle]

Oh nw

You already have the cpu and mobo in a pc right?

[toxic topaz]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MXLjcx

yea

the bios is already up to date

[keen nacelle]

Thats just for if someone is buying a 5000 series cpu with a b450, the bios might not support the new cpu

But you don't need to pay any attention to it

[keen nacelle]

That 5800x cannot be happy under a single tower cooler lol

[keen nacelle]

Another thing not to worry abt

Fal could explain usb headers better than I can

[toxic topaz]

i got the ryzen 7 5800x for $170

forgot where i bought it but def was a steal

[keen nacelle]

5700x3d is typically around 180-200

[toxic topaz]

damn

[keen nacelle]

When did you get it?

[keen nacelle]

Oh also did you buy everything but the gpu so far?

[toxic topaz]

yea

[keen nacelle]

Idk if we've had this conversation before I do this a lot

[toxic topaz]

most of the parts are already in my pc

[keen nacelle]

Ah alr

[toxic topaz]

just changing the case, and psu, and gpu

my current case kept me from upgrading gpu since it only supports upto 305mm gpu size

[keen nacelle]

Right

[toxic topaz]

the lian li lancool 207 supports up to 410 i believe

[keen nacelle]

Pcp says 375mm but it might be 410 without the front fans

[toxic topaz]

no its 375

yea

i bought the case for $69

[keen nacelle]

Nice

[random walrus]

Or under $150 on aliexpress

[toxic topaz]

are they even real

[random walrus]

Yes

[toxic topaz]

oh wow

[random walrus]

Tray cpus so no official box

[toxic topaz]

ah

[random walrus]

I ordered one recently for about $135 (after tax) after some coupons and coin discounts

[toxic topaz]

nice

[random walrus]

There's a sale coming up in like 2 days with a $20 off $140+, I'll probably post then as long as sellers don't up the prices beforehand

[keen nacelle]

5600 was down to $65 on ali

Which is just crazy value

[random walrus]

Difference is you can get one for about that much on ebay or whatever, vs the 5700x3d doesn't really have a used market

[toxic topaz]

i wonder what the $100 gift card deal gonna be

[gritty cloud]

i’m working on a movie project. my monitors turn off at the slightest movement. could my gpu be cooked?

[keen nacelle]

I'd check cables

[gritty cloud]

nothing loose or disconnected

i can see a few pins kind of sticking out. i can’t push the gpu in any more because of the bracket

[olive bobcat]

$10 off

[livid idol]

Pins on what

The video cable? The GPU power? The PCIe slot? A USB header?

[toxic topaz]

@livid idol

nothing to worry ab right?

[livid idol]

That just means you can't use the USB C port on the case without an adapter

Or a different motherboard with the correct header

[toxic topaz]

Any adapter is fine?

[keen nacelle]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BNLT17XQ

[toxic topaz]

I’m gonna buy the sapphire one from Newegg since I have a few unused gift cards

[keen nacelle]

https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-d40810b-10p-o

[keen nacelle]

Oh

Just read this

[wary swift]

I have a problem

The monitors don’t display something the pc is working the monitors working too

I was using the pc and the monitors suddenly stopped

[toxic topaz]

It’s now on Newegg too for $619

Are these rx 7900 xt perform the same?

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[toxic topaz]

Which one is cooler or more quiet

Sapphire pulse rx 7900 xt

Or

Xfx speedster merc310 rx 7900 xt

[gritty cloud]

where the gpu connects to the mobo

the gold pins are receding at an angle

[livid idol]

How much of an angle? If it looks like the right side isn't making good contact with the slot then that's a problem

[toxic topaz]

@keen nacelle

[keen nacelle]

Same difference

If it matters to you check YouTube comparisons

The sapphire has better warranty support from what felix has told me

[toxic topaz]

Ah so it already comes with warranty

Also which case fans do you recommend I prefer rgb

[livid idol]

Everything comes with a warranty, it's required by law

[toxic topaz]

Ah ok

[livid idol]

It's just some companies are better at honoring it

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yDmNnQ/thermalright-tl-c12b-s-v3-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12b-s-v3-x3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x3Kscf/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-x5-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-tl-c12c-s-x5

[toxic topaz]

I should be able to fit 3 fans on top and 2 in the back?

Or is it one in the back

[keen nacelle]

You could possibly fit all 5 but no point, id just do the 3 pack

Forgot what case you were using

[toxic topaz]

Lian li lancool 207

[keen nacelle]

Yeah i went up and checked

3 makes sense

[toxic topaz]

Kk thank u so much

[toxic topaz]

@keen nacelle @livid idol i just ordered the gpu thank you guys for the help

[toxic topaz]

when all my parts arrive, should i uninstall all the nvidia drivers before disassembly ?

[livid idol]

Yes, you would boot into safe mode, run DDU with the remove and shut down option, when it shuts down swap the GPU, then you can boot windows and install the new drivers

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[toxic topaz]

Another thing, should I upgrade my motherboard my current one is a bit old and supports memory speeds up to 2600

This is my current one

@keen nacelle

[toxic topaz]

Should I get this motherboard

[keen nacelle]

The differences will be small

[clear frigate]

Possibly dumb question but can you sli a 1070 and a 1080 or did it need to be the same exact card?

[forest oasis]

Iirc it just needs to be from the same generation so yes
But I think it would run at the slower GPUs speed so you would have basically 2 1070 cards rather than 1 1080 and 1 1070 card in terms of performance

Also sli isn't magic and won't work with 99% of games

And actual performance impact is usually not by much

[clear frigate]

Fair just have friend with a 1080 and another selling a 1070 was curious if sli was an option for them to buy it or not

[forest oasis]

I wouldn't buy them for sli

If you already owned those 2 GPUs, then it might be fun to experiment with

But definitely not worth buying a GPU over

[livid idol]

Unless that's for production work that specifically supports multi GPU, SLI is not a good option for several reasons.
Most games don't support SLI, the ones that do are 10+ years old usually.
When SLI does work, it would limit the 1080 down to 1070 performance making it effectively a dual 1070 setup. The VRAM capacity would not increase as well.
Games that do support SLI often had bad implementations of it, resulting in screen tearing and stuttering.

[clear frigate]

Cool beans so not worth doing in this case

[livid idol]

The better option it sounds like is to sell the 1080 and use that money plus whatever is saved up to get something else like a 3070 used

[autumn grove]

Should I get 4060 ti, or 4070, or 3070. The reason why 3070 there cuz i can get for 280. But im a light gamer only fort, forza, and whatnot. Upgrading from 1660 super

I wanna play new flight sim, not seriously but for fun

And i wanna save money

[forest oasis]

why not an amd gpu

also we're right on the cusp of the release of the new generation of gpus

[livid idol]

You'll be disappointed, it's the same as FS2020 with a couple new features they could have just done a DLC for, plus the asset streaming makes it look like garbage since the servers are overloaded.

[autumn grove]

Nvidia investor

[autumn grove]

dont need all that

Trynna save money

[forest oasis]

prices for current goes down slightly whenever a new gen comes out though

[autumn grove]

But black friday good deals

What gpu would u reccomend tho

Out of those 3

[forest oasis]

what are the prices for each

[livid idol]

None of those are going to be particularly good at flight sim, based on the system requirements. No one can benchmark it properly right now due to server issues though.

1080p high should be doable, probably not ultra

[forest oasis]

wait

there's an even newer flight sim?

[livid idol]

Yeah it just launched

[forest oasis]

i thought the new flight sim was still 2020

lmfao

[livid idol]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2537590/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_2024/

Steam

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024

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Price

$69.99

Recommendations

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[forest oasis]

flight sim 2020 still feels new to me

[forest oasis]

LMAO

💀

[livid idol]

That's up from the "overwhelmingly negative" it was before at least

[forest oasis]

amazing

it's edging on overwhelmingly negative

literally edging

well, actually nvm

it's right in the middle of mostly negative currently

[craggy pier]

guys its not edging

[solid glacier]

anyone got a build for 2k? for black friday? USD for only gaming. 1440p

if theres good deals

let me know ty!

[craggy pier]

Nah what you gotta do is like say that but link a build with a water cooled 9900X3D and a rx 6500xt

Techies love correcting horrible builds way more than free labor

[livid idol]

9800X3D + XTX fits easily in that budget with better stuff on other parts too
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YJYD8Q

If you really wanted Nvidia instead you can get a 4080 super for another $100 and still be under budget

[solid glacier]

tysm! yea prolly get 4080 super

[toxic topaz]

@keen nacelle so should I upgrade the motherboard if so which one do u recommend

[quasi flicker]

Any recommendations for an upgrade from a 2060?

$300 range

Looking at the 6750 XT but there seems to be a bit of a lack of stock leaving you with about three options

Also, specifically looking for >8GB of VRAM, a jump of 2GB doesn't seem worth it with how the trend is going for games

Or could it be worth waiting for RX 8000 and RTX 5000?

[keen nacelle]

I wouldnt bother personally

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0977DG15L?ref=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apan_dp_XWJJ5728F61YY6CC9C67&ref_=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apan_dp_XWJJ5728F61YY6CC9C67&social_share=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apan_dp_XWJJ5728F61YY6CC9C67&peakEvent=2&starsLeft=1&skipTwisterOG=1&th=1&psc=1

@quasi flicker

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RFGbt6/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-speedster-swft-309-video-card-rx-67xtyjfdv

[quasi flicker]

What's the difference between SWFT and QICK?

[keen nacelle]

I've not looked at a comparison but not much

Small things like maybe a small boost clock diff, or maybe a slight oc

[craggy pier]

could be heat and sound differences as well

some cards have more whine than others

[toxic topaz]

kk another thing where should i buy these?

[cerulean rover]

USB 3.2 gen 2 is the weird one that's mostly for front panel usb-c

You can get cheap converters from Amazon

It's not necessary if you're not planning on using the front panel type c port

[quasi flicker]

Okay

[livid idol]

Or spend the $10 on a different motherboard instead of an adapter if you plan to use that front C port

[random walrus]

6750xt is probably the best choice for $300

Or something used

$370 for a 7700xt, not sure how much better that is than a 6750

[quasi flicker]

Probably not enough to justify the prices

~1800 on difference in 3D passmark

[quasi flicker]

Looked at the userbenchmark review of the 6800 and 6750 XT for a laugh and the beginning of the 6800 review looked like an actual review

Then quickly spiralled into deranged hatred

The 6750 XT review was all the usual derangement

[forest oasis]

lmao

started off that message with a "why would you ever do that" then seeing "for a laugh" then it turned to "hell yeah"

that site really is just running off of copium

[random walrus]

It's sad bc that site is usually high up in search results and if you don't read the reviews seems like a well put together trustworthy benchmark site

I know personally I used it for quite a while when I was younger & before I realized the bias

[ivory herald]

It's why some servers have an often used command:

[odd siren]

We have one

?ubm

Oh

Well

We had one

Maybe I typed it wrong?

I didn't, I think something happened to the bot lol

That's what's supposed to show up

[ivory herald]

Good, because it fills up most of the screen

[odd siren]

Get a bigger screen then

[junior locust]

Cuz they pay massive amounts of money to be raised up by Google

They're busy spouting off about "AMD MaRkEtInG tEaM bUyInG rEvIeWs" while they themselves are buying elevation in search results

[ivory herald]

Forget how that doesn't change if newer phone has same res.

[wicked hound]

Im here to gaslight you now, you typed it wrong. You used the wrong question mark. ||/s||

[wicked hound]

Get the font that is like 1x5 pixels wide. It's a funni font that uses sub pixels as "pixels" to make the font work as 3x5.

Only works for standard subpixel layouts

[random walrus]

https://www.msarnoff.org/millitext/

pretty neat

oh that's the 2x5 grid version

Here's the 1x5

I can actually read the 2x5 on my 27in 1440p panel. Have to get about 10 inches away though

[random dock]

Was funny they also got called out by blur busters recently for saying more then 240hz is useless

[random walrus]

tbf for the average person it kinda is

[random walrus]

Ok that's a pretty reasonable callout

esp the 120 vs 240 part, that's prety easy to notice

[random dock]

Even if not running at 480 in all games the windows browsing experience do feel better

[winged spade]

I really need a 4070 super to go on a black friday sale its the last part i need

[naive bane]

I think I saw one in amazon

[winged spade]

Im only seeing the 4070 ti supers go on black friday sales but are still like 600-700 bucks

I did score on getting a $600 cpu 60% off last week

[keen nacelle]

?

I hope not an i9

And 4070s was just on sale but open box, $500 w 2yr warranty

4070 ti at $550

[winged spade]

Ryzen 9 5900x

[keen nacelle]

If you can return it i would

13600kf at $175 is better

Or 7600/x is better in games

[rapid flume]

Is the 4070 super worth the extra 15 percent over the reg 4070

[keen nacelle]

Yes

The 4070s is much value

Although 7900xt at $620 is still far better value

Like 15-20% better than the 4070s with 8gb more vram

[earnest pilot]

how easy is it to break a gpu while assembling it

[random walrus]

Pretty hard as long as you make sure to line up the slot

PC components in general are sturdier than a lot of people think

[livid idol]

Except for CPU pins, those are as fragile as people think. Possibly more.

[forest oasis]

You know what is more fragile than most people think

Usb 3 internal header

Worst garbage ever

🤬

[keen nacelle]

https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-a30820j-10plhr-r

[craggy pier]

I wont even graze them with my fingers

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-scrape-removing-pins-gif-20017589

[forest oasis]

Gold prospectors when they see cpus

[hot bough]

Just don't drop it and line up the Clip with the slot when installing and your fine.

If you have a heavy gpu a anti-sag support is recommended./

[craggy pier]

anti sag is pretty much necessary for 3 fan gpus

you can away without one on 2 fan

[hot bough]

In my case thankfully it has a built in anti-sag support so I am set there 😀

[craggy pier]

my gpu is a fat aa, but it does come with support pillars thankfully

[hot bough]

I am currently saving up to get a Monitor and PSU upgrade come holiday sales then ideally a 5090 once it releases.

[hot bough]

I got lucky with the 5700G I won a while back. It had some bent pins that with a little bit of precission I managed to rebend and slot into the board.

Worked like a charm after installation.

[random walrus]

Holiday sales are already here
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BBhv6h/aoc-ag276qzd-265-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2

[hot bough]

I am moving homes in a week and a half.

So it's not viable.

[random walrus]

One is OLED, one is qd OLED. Part number has a 2 at the end, not sure if one is better

[hot bough]

I wish I could take advantage.

[random walrus]

Depending how far you're moving, if you kept the packaging it might be alright

[hot bough]

Flying by plane from MX to Alaska.

[random walrus]

Ok yeah probably not then lol

[hot bough]

Also I learned that MX does not have black friday sales so...

That sucks.

They will sell you stuff from Christmas 2 months in advance but no early sales.

[autumn grove]

My 1660 super actually handling medium mode very well
In flight sim

[earnest pilot]

should i get an anti sag support for a 7900 gre?

or do i just use a random item

[hot bough]

So long as the card isn't experiencing the bends it doesn't matter. Personally I recommend a anti-sag device as those tend to look nicer and can clip into something so moving isn't an issue.

[random walrus]

Sorta depends on the card, as well as how well the case and motherboard supports it. You can always skip the support for now, see how it looks once installed, then decide if you want one. Doesn't need to be fancy.

[sullen cave]

anyone know how to install a gpu mine doesn’t wanna go in

[limber flax]

Might be worth checking if the metal plate with the HDMI and display port plugs aren't hitting the motherboard

Otherwise it will just go in until it clicks

[livid idol]

Sometimes you need to loosen the motherboard screws a little to allow it to shift to the side and allow the GPU to slot in to the rear bracket

[sullen cave]

my stuff still dont turn on bruh

i’ve spent 2 days building

[autumn grove]

Currently looking to upgrade 1660 super.

Current other specs
Ryzen 7 5800x
600w psu
32gb rams
Budget 400-450. Preferably nvidia

[livid idol]

How do you feel about used or refurbished parts

3070 for $240 https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zt-a30700f-10plhr-r-1
That's a massive upgrade for your system

And for reference that GPU is currently $400 new and is better than the 4060 ti

[autumn grove]

Okay ish

But wont 4000 series be carrying more longevity

[dense cliff]

Hey guys if I get an OC version of the 4080 Super does that mean I need to have a 850 watt PSU? Nvidia shows on their website that 750 is the minimum for the reference non-oc version but newegg card description says it requires 850.

[keen nacelle]

Not when the only two cards in your budget are the 4060 and 4060 ti

7700xt, 6700xt/6750xt, 6800, used/refurb 6900xt, 6950xt, 6800xt, 3080 10/12gb/ti

But what model psu do you have?

[keen nacelle]

Oc is just a very minor overclock

Like my 3060 ti gaming oc has a 50mhz memory oc

Which is nothing and won't change power draw

[odd siren]

"OC" is just a marketing term that used to be really prevalent, it basically had you paying extra for what is usually still the norm for *what almost any version of that gpu can do

It's like how AMD adds an X to the end of their CPUs

But for basically everyone except overclockers they're actually no different to the non-X version if you know how to use them (Emphasis on "Know")*

As are "OC" vs non-OC

So if you see an OC version it's basically identical to the non-oc, it both uses the same power and also means it should run at basically the same clocks plus perhaps a fraction of 1% extra speed

Which equates to maybe 1 or 2 fps in a 500 fps situation and 0 in basically everything else lmao

They're absolutely not worth paying extra for

In fact you could really just put "OC" next to any GPU and as long as they can't see the serial sticker no one would ever know if it was or wasn't either lol

[toxic topaz]

@keen nacelle my gpu comes today and it is the final part until I build it

[sullen cave]

is it fine if my gpu fans only turn on when it get hot

[forest oasis]

yes

it's better this way

saves a few watts of power and extends the lifespan of your fans

[hot bough]

Yes that is ideal.

I have mine set to turn on when the GPU hits 60c.

[sullen cave]

is that the best or should i put like 50

[echo flame]

Thats up to you to decide

If your gpu can stay below 50 when not gaming then sure

The default for mine is 55

Right now the temp is at 46 but I have seen it in the low 50s

[hot bough]

So long as you are not thermal throttling you will be fine. Thermal Throttling is when the component in question overheats so it slows itself down to avoid overheating.

My case has a lot of airflow so my GPU rarely gets above 50c unless I am gaming that's why I have my GPU fans set to turn on only if the GPU hits above 60c.

[sullen cave]

i think mine has enough airflow

[autumn grove]

Rosewill lepton gold

[keen nacelle]

I'd replace that

[south halo]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wxs2RV

Do you guys think the gpu is gonna be a big bottleneck in that system

Im thinking of potenitally in the future either upgrading or adding another gpu to the 2nd motherboard slot

[keen nacelle]

Yes the 970 will bottleneck your cpu, but thats not a bad thing inherently. You'll still get far better perf than with your old cpu, and a bottleneck just means it's limiting performance. It's not harming anything

Dual gpu does not help perf. I would replace, not add

[south halo]

Alright thanks

[quasi flicker]

Anything seem off with this listing?
https://a.co/d/c38RCy6

[keen nacelle]

Yes

The seller

[quasi flicker]

Yeah that's what I saw

Otherwise?

[keen nacelle]

I mean

You're not going to get the card if you order it

But no ig?

[livid idol]

Yeah that GPU doesn't exist, not the way they listed it

[quasi flicker]

What?

[livid idol]

Typical scamazon seller. They'll string you along for long enough to cash out and then ghost you. It'll take months to get your money back.

[quasi flicker]

What do you mean doesn't exist though?

But dang

[livid idol]

I mean they don't have a GPU to sell

You will never get one sent to you

If you do get something sent it'll be a cheap pair of sunglasses or something

[quasi flicker]

Oh

[livid idol]

Amazon is fully equipped and capable of blocking these scammers too, but they don't because they're profiting from the scams as well

[quasi flicker]

Might just be stuck with a 6750 XT at the price

[quasi flicker]

Sounds like the problem that YouTube Kids has

Thanks Newegg app

Didn't want to search anyway

That's crazy

Amazon shows that fake listing first

[dense cliff]

Was wondering which company you all would suggest for getting a pcie power to 12 pin adapter? Or if I could just stick with the one they send with the GPU? Hopefully Nvidia is out of its burning connector phase now.

[junior locust]

That's staying if you don't properly seat it

As for companies
There's not one that's confirmed to be 100% safe because the issue is fundamental to the 12VHPWR standard itself

But you can get a Wireview Pro if you're okay with spending a little more

It's got a version that goes from 3× 8-pin to the 12+4 one

[dense cliff]

Thanks ill give them a look, maybe they'll have some black Friday/cyber monday deals.

[toxic topaz]

is it normal for gpus to run this temp ?

i know my bottom 2 fans right under the gpu arent connected bc no header space i ordered an adapter for them

nvm

[craggy pier]

95 is pretty rough

[toxic topaz]

nnvm

[craggy pier]

Lol

[toxic topaz]

that was utiliztion

[craggy pier]

Oh lmao i couldnt see with how blurry it was

[toxic topaz]

this is the real temps lol

[craggy pier]

Yeah those temps are more than fine

Technically 95 is "safe" but i wouldnt recommend it, anything above that and itll probably throttle

But 70 and below or even 80 and youre no where near worrying

[toxic topaz]

yea thanks

[quasi flicker]

Is 24.20.11.01 a beta version or something?

For Adrenalin and AMD drivers

DX12 is broken in 24.9 and 24.10

Okay it is

[quasi flicker]

Any chance my RM650x (2018) would have a problem with my 7700X and a 7900 XT?

[odd siren]

650 is pretty low for that spec

Gotta be honest

7900XT is like some 480-ish loaded power, add the power of a 7700X on top, getting awful close to max there

I'd be doing 750W with those two

[quasi flicker]

Okay

Seems like for gaming it sits more around 350W

320W from what techpowerup says

[odd siren]

Talking transients

Not reported nominal

[quasi flicker]

Oh

Yeah, 412W

[odd siren]

RDNA 3 is extremely spike happy so while it may say "I run 410W"

It's spiking constantly to way higher

Even in stable tests

So it's essentially running at that much higher power

@quasi flicker

Measure across that top band of white peaks and take a rough average

It's again somewhere I'd pin around 480-ish is a safe power budget

This is one of the lower TDP models too, pulse

Not like a phantom gaming that's higher power

[quasi flicker]

What does the 7700X sit around?

[odd siren]

Do you use pbo yes or no

[quasi flicker]

No

[odd siren]

Take 105 and add roughly 20% is nominal

[keen nacelle]

Rmx 2021 handled a 6800xt for me, but that was ~350w

[odd siren]

Add roughly 50% is transient iirc

So give or take 157W

[keen nacelle]

7900xt id be much less confident, I agree with felix

[odd siren]

480+157 is 637

[quasi flicker]

Okay

[odd siren]

Yeah I really think you want a 750W

An rmx is a good unit, but you have basically no power left for anything else

Even if we consider it that you won't run both cpu and gpu at max

It's just no wiggle room

[keen nacelle]

This could be a drop in upgrade, wouldnt need to swap cables
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6NcG3C/corsair-rm750x-2021-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020199-na

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/26rRsY/corsair-rm850x-2021-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020200-na

[quasi flicker]

Okay, thanks

[odd siren]

7800XT would be fine with an RM650X

[keen nacelle]

Or you could just power limit the gpu to like 85%, give yourself a bit more headroom

[odd siren]

That's not too far off a 7900XT

[quasi flicker]

Yeah that's what I'm using now

[keen nacelle]

So would gre

[odd siren]

Oh yeah didn't see that

Just keep with what you got if the extra psu is too much

It's a good gpu still

[quasi flicker]

Yeah

[odd siren]

Yeah I'm not far off

It's actually likely a little higher than 157 based on this

Cos reported power almost never matches transient

[quasi flicker]

Looking for an upgrade for my brother and I keep thinking that with how prices seem to be at 12GB+ of VRAM, it would be better to just trade his current one in, give him my 7800 XT (and RM650x), and upgrade mine

[odd siren]

Again, wouldn't happen to be you doing max power all the time, but it only takes one scene

One brief moment where both go full tap and click off it goes

Too much on the nose here

[odd siren]

That makes more sense yeah

[quasi flicker]

And part of the problem with that is my dad doesn't want to spend much, I don't really mind upgrading

[keen nacelle]

What gpu and psu does he have?

[quasi flicker]

2060 and PSU is some 550W

Bronze

[keen nacelle]

So he'd need a new psu anyways

[odd siren]

Yeah def needs a psu in the mix

[quasi flicker]

Yeah

[odd siren]

So one way or another there's no avoiding it lol

[keen nacelle]

Give him your rm650x too, grab a 750 or 850 and give him the cables from the new psu

[odd siren]

Yep

[keen nacelle]

Just so you don't need to redo your cable management

[odd siren]

Imo

Since you want to save

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"cable management"

[odd siren]

Spend the extra 10 now

Get a 850w

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imeanwhat

[odd siren]

Cos 850W will last a lot longer down the line for upgrades is all

[quasi flicker]

I got an AIO and that is a pain

[odd siren]

For $10 it's worth thinking about

You'd save money later

[keen nacelle]

I think its $20

80/100

[odd siren]

Is it 20?

[quasi flicker]

Yeah either way

[odd siren]

Isn't AGL 850 like 90

[quasi flicker]

$20 for another 100W and still RMx

[keen nacelle]

Oh I thought we were talking specifically rmx

[odd siren]

Nah

Don't need to shop corsair anymore these days

Rmx is great but the competition has caught up

[keen nacelle]

Personally I would buy rmx just to not have to redo current cables

And its on sale rn

[odd siren]

I guess

[quasi flicker]

I've seen what happens when you mix and match cables

[odd siren]

Little bit more effort and a tenner for much longer life tho

[quasi flicker]

lol

[odd siren]

RMx to RMx should be both type 4 and compatible

[quasi flicker]

Could it be worth waiting for 8000?

[keen nacelle]

Corsair has a good few models that use the same cable pinouts

[odd siren]

Not really

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Oh

[keen nacelle]

Rmx 2018, 2021 and 2023, rmx shift, rme, uhh

Maybe hx and hxi?

[odd siren]

We're right on the cusp of next gen

Each time this happens, old gen stock goes on good sales

Cos people wait thinking they get better

This is usually the best time to buy

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Okay

[keen nacelle]

There's also the option of a $400-450 6950xt/6900xt, or a similarly performing used/refurb gpu

[quasi flicker]

So grab a 7900 XT then

[odd siren]

We normally clock the best sale prices right before next gen drops

[quasi flicker]

huh, makes sense I guess

[odd siren]

Yeah then the price goes back up cos people learn what new gen does

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lmao

[odd siren]

And then it eventually runs out much later

And doesn't really drop again

[quasi flicker]

I wonder if the XTX would drop significantly, but that might be asking a little too much of my 7700X

[odd siren]

You def want 850W for XTX

Lol

[quasi flicker]

Also an idea running on hopes and dreams (probably)

[odd siren]

550W transient

[quasi flicker]

💀

[odd siren]

It's constant on both of mine

Lmao

So +70W is expected

Which mathematically makes sense cos it's about 15% more power, but also 16% more gpu die

So it's almost directly translated

Lol

[quasi flicker]

lmao

[odd siren]

Numbers lining up in my head

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

https://tenor.com/view/nounish-nounsdao-nouns-dao-noggle-gif-26326389

[quasi flicker]

Yeah, looking at the 6750 XT (to replace the 2060) and it's like

Okay price or extremely overpriced

[odd siren]

Ye

AMD will sell like, 1-3 versions of it

Really cheap

The rest are resellers for a fortune

💀

[quasi flicker]

Dang

[odd siren]

But the best sales for 6750XT for example were about 270

Only 4 years after release are we finally seeing that again

Last time was in fact some 2 years ago

[quasi flicker]

I think there's one SWFT that's near that price and that's it

[odd siren]

Right before next gen

Ye

[quasi flicker]

SWFT, QICK, and MERC are basically just sorted by the better quality chips, right?

Other than some design tweaks

[odd siren]

Cooler changes iirc

AMD doesn't really do silicon binning

And on 6750XT they're basically all binned so it's shrug

[quasi flicker]

Yeah I think it's XFX that does, just seeing which ones can be overclocked more I guess?

[odd siren]

As long as you get Tier 0/1/2 tho, the chip on the card itself can be plenty good enough to get some of the best results

So choice doesn't really matter

Aqua is the only tier 0 possible card iirc

[quasi flicker]

"Other variants TBC"?

[odd siren]

Old post

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Oh

[quasi flicker]

lol

This just showed up in my email

"NaN MHz"

[quasi flicker]

Where is this from, and is there one for pretty much every chip?

[odd siren]

Old webpage on an overclockers website

[sharp trellis]

Oi

Paid $370 for a 6900xt. How did I do.

[keen nacelle]

Very nice

[odd siren]

That's nice af

Though I paid $300 for one 2 years ago

We can both tease everyone else with our highly valuable budget gpus

Which model is it btw @sharp trellis

[sharp trellis]

Asus tuf

I wish it was sapphire nitro

It would be very nice

[odd siren]

Mine was a nitro

[sharp trellis]

However for that price I'm not complaining

[odd siren]

Lol

Tuf is nice

The 2022 cooler was very good

[sharp trellis]

Solid overall despite aSSUs incident

[odd siren]

It had a weakness to backplate vram

But the 6900xt doesn't have any there

So it's solid

[sharp trellis]

Could you elaborate on that

[odd siren]

The tuf cooler was reused on multiple models

I had a 3090 one

The vram was hot af

Really almost all 3090's had the issue tho

[sharp trellis]

😬

I'm glad the 7900xt and 6900xt models wasnt reused

maybe not the 6900xt, i havent gotten it today. it will be here next week.

[odd siren]

It's a good grab for 370

Like honestly solid

[sharp trellis]

its a side upgrade over the 3070ti im donating to an aspiring new pc gamer

[odd siren]

👏

You checked out the PSU yeah?

[sharp trellis]

that 16gb vram is gonna be nice-

wait what.

[odd siren]

Lol

Just making sure you double checked the PSU is good for it

Whichever cpu+ the 6900XT you're probably looking at a good 750W+

[sharp trellis]

my wife has 5600x and an 3070ti that will be swapped over to 6900xt

and psu is 650w corsair

[odd siren]

Corsair which kind

Rmx?

Rme?

[sharp trellis]

let me check

[sharp trellis]

its CX650M

[odd siren]

Mmmmm....

How old is it

[sharp trellis]

2 years or so

[odd siren]

One sec

[sharp trellis]

Uh

the fact it has no efficiny sticker

[odd siren]

Yeah this basically explains what I am thinking without being direct

[odd siren]

Bronze

[sharp trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-my-heart-omg-beautiful-relieved-gif-18461646

[odd siren]

The 12+4 gpu they mean is a 4090

And 6900xt can get as transient happy as a 4090

So uh

Yeah I'd consider a new unit personally

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dbCZxr/msi-mag-a750gl-pcie5-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5