graphics-cards

[odd siren]

Most of the time people who say they crash, last used amd on gpus older than 5 years ago

[livid idol]

The correct way to set up a new GPU, especially moving brands, is ideally a full reinstall of Windows, and when that's not possible DDU in safe mode.

Most people don't know/don't do that

So the drivers conflict and crash

[forest oasis]

nvidias can crash and can be noisy as well

[naive bane]

Why not 7800xt,wont it be better

[odd siren]

I had more issues on 4090 hands down vs xtx this gen

[odd siren]

It's only a couple %

[livid idol]

Technically yes a little bit, but upgrading the CPU will help in many other ways

[odd siren]

So if you pay a bunch for a couple % better it's not really worth

Same reason we talked over the 4060 ti tbh

[naive bane]

I was the happiest folk around town an hour ago

Now im the saddest

xD

But

Would have been saddier without you guys ❤️

[odd siren]

Lol

Get you all sorted out, give amd a whirl

There's always a used 3080 if things don't work out, that alone is a big improvement for you over the original plan

Big quality of life change either way

[naive bane]

I gave my friend a 3080 wasnt that big of improvement

It was nice

[odd siren]

3080 has a wide gamut of possible performance

Lol

3080ti is like a 30% or more jump over 2080ti for example

Actually according to toms hardware it's more like 60%

12gb 3080 gets fairly close to that

[odd siren]

Man I am not great make math thing today

[naive bane]

860$

Thats the one?

[odd siren]

Any 6800xt

Any not that price

Try closer to 400

450

Less than the price of the cheapest 7800xt you can find, let's go with that

[naive bane]

Why not the 7800xt?

Also why not the nitro? I assume you suggest me the 6800xt merc at 339$

I found 7800xt nitro at 539$ at amazon

[livid idol]

The 7800 XT is slightly better but not $200 worth of better

[naive bane]

And anything better than the 7800xt will not fit into my system?

[livid idol]

You could get something better but it's not really worth it until you upgrade the CPU too, since you have a 6 year old processor

[naive bane]

How well that merc do?

Seems abit sus

Also I dont think my monitor support free sync.....

LG 34GP83A-B 34 Inch 21: 9... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DWD38VX?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

6800xt is also pcie 4

Wont it have the same issue as the 4060ti?

[cerulean rover]

Pcie 4.0 x16

The problem with 4060ti is that it's pcie 4.0 x8

You get as much bandwidth with pcie 3.0 x16 as pcie 4.0 x8

But if you limit the gpu to only 8 lanes, with pcie 3.0, you'd be running the equivalent of pcie 4.0 x4

Currently GPUs are just about saturating pcie 3.0 x16, so 4.0 x16 isn't necessary for everything

Pcie 3.0 is about 1GB/s per lane, pcie 4.0 is about 2GB/s per lane

[livid idol]

Yes it does

All the adaptive sync technology is inter compatible

[naive bane]

I turned vsync on and now im getting 80-90c and i can peacefully play cod bo2 mp with my 2080ti :> but its only been 20min who knows what will happen to the temps in 1 hour :x

the 4060ti seats in living room, in its bag :<

Why when I turned vsync on everything is now smoother? or maybe i did not turned gsync on

[random walrus]

Ideally you want to turn on freesync, on both the monitor and in game. Might need to enable it in Nvidia app/control panel as well, I forget

Vsync is similar but introduces input lag & doen't work as well if your FPS is below your monitors refresh rate.

[naive bane]

welp i dont see a way to limit the fps to 144fps beside enabling vsync or that is doable within nvidia panel

im going to sleep thanks everybody

[livid idol]

Vsync makes the GPU wait to send a frame until the monitor is ready for it.
Freesync changes the frequency at which the monitor becomes ready for a frame.
You can set a FPS limit in the Nvidia control panel or in the new Nvidia App.

[haughty musk]

for some reason recently, my in game graphics have been stuttering while i play, when i built my pc around 5 months ago, everything was fine until this issue started happening every time i loaded the game for about 2-3 weeks now. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers, restarting my computer, and even removing the adrenalin software that comes with the drivers. I have all in game settings on performance butthe issue still keeps happening

[livid idol]

Stutter is often caused by either the CPU or RAM. Try updating your BIOS and chipset drivers, making sure to enable EXPO after. We can help with a quick overclock on the memory, too, if you're interested.

It's also worth checking for background tasks that might be using some of the CPU, like Windows Update.

[haughty musk]

might have to wait until tomorrow for that bc there's a hurricane going on atm and dont want to yk

[livid idol]

Looks like the 5090 is going to be near or at $2500, 5080 $1300-1500, and 5070 $600-700. The 5070 is apparently slightly better than the 4070 ti.
None of this surprises me, Ngreedia strikes again.

[odd siren]

Hello shrinkflation LMFAO

@mighty island

[cerulean rover]

Incredible

[keen nacelle]

That's ridiculous

[cerulean rover]

I hope amd keeps sensible pricing

[keen nacelle]

I'm never buying a new gpu again if this price trend keeps up lmfao

[odd siren]

If it ends up true then once again, proven right that we won't get anything better

Makes AMD not look stupid as they can't be bothered competing with a $2500 solution

"Yeah you can have your win, we don't care about your 1%" 💀

Ah

related note

Oh, I know where this is coming from

@livid idol source is mlid

Take with a massive grain of salt

He gets so many things wrong

[limber flax]

Wow message forwarding

[long oracle]

7900 xtx is currently 53% cheaper than 4090 isnt that a loophole since its only 40-50% worse in ai

so 2 for less than 1 4090 is a good deal?

[limber flax]

What do you think?

I feel like the question is answered there already

Its a no brainer for gaming if you don't use RT

[haughty musk]

ok i just updated it and im im the bios what are the steps to overclock the ram just to make sure

[junior locust]

Unlikely lmao
GPUflation is real

[haughty musk]

also why EXPO instead of A-XMP (not too sure of the difference)

[long oracle]

for ai workstation

its 54-60% cheaper

amd should not care about giving good price since if they go toe to toe with nvidia both will be forced to have lower prices.
unless they are a secret ||monopoly||

[long oracle]

not full time

[limber flax]

what? how does both of them charging exorbitant prices force them to lower it?

if both players in the duopoly charge higher prices there's no reason to go down

[long oracle]

if both have similar performance then they will have to compete on costumers by maybe lowering prices, otherwise if only nvidia is providing the best stuff they will be charging even more exploiting the fact that there is no competition

[limber flax]

But AMD is competing, their price to performance is way better than nvidia's

Nvidia just markets better

Plus if we're talking AI nvidia is gonna keep leading cause they already had a head start

And they're not going to slow down for any reason

Unless AMD steals their engineers and designers from nvidia they're at a disadvantage in terms of AI

[long oracle]

that unless should happen lol

[livid idol]

EXPO is optimized for AM5 with an additional timing set

[haughty musk]

oh okay

i had it set to A-XMP first so thanks

[odd siren]

https://x.com/hms1193/status/1844345480861602289

Hassan Mujtaba (@hms1193) on X

No prices for RTX 50 GPUs have been shared with any partner.

Twitter · Oct 10, 2024, 11:53 AM

Kopite kimi has denied it too

As I said, grain of salt (not trying to lecture)

But I wouldn't be surprised if 2000+ happened

[livid idol]

No solid prices sure. He does say repeatedly that it's more of testing the waters than prices.

[odd siren]

Rumour drama is fun isn't it

💀

[livid idol]

We're deep into it right now too with everything launching so close together

[naive bane]

After 40 minutes of just cause 4 those are the temps i get, is it good?

swapped to a new card

the memory junction temp which is the second one worries me abit

it reaches 90c

[forest oasis]

looks fine

[livid idol]

The memory is rated to 110C, with it throttling at 100C

[naive bane]

umm idk what you meant... is all good with the gpu?

[forest oasis]

yes

[naive bane]

im scared that if i will play bodycam it will get burnt lol

[forest oasis]

modern hardware has safety features; if it gets too hot, it will shutdown before it will become damaged

[worldly yoke]

Is a 4060ti a good starter graphics card for my first PC build

[cerulean rover]

What's your budget and what are you trying to do with it?

[worldly yoke]

Around 1600$. Mostly for gaming but a little bit of school work

[cerulean rover]

Any specific games or applications?

[worldly yoke]

Call of duty and Microsoft excel

[cerulean rover]

Should be able to fit a 7900xtx into that budget, example repurposed list:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hs6Gvj

Cod likes AMD GPUs

[keen nacelle]

That's a great list

If you've got a microcenter nearby I'd grab the 7600x3d bundle

[haughty musk]

my games have started crashing

[haughty musk]

im gonna try to reinstall windows on a separate partition to see if thats the issue

does this mean i have to make a factory reset?

[tough plinth]

my amd sidebar (alt z) showed up randomly, its not supposed to open on startup 😭

[tough plinth]

the monitor overlay thing showed the hmdi connection thing like most monitors do, but it was just under the white line on the right side and again on the top right

the blue glow on the bottom left is just a reflection

again, i just turned the monitor off and on and it was fine lmao

this is so strange

[mellow glen]

Alright, been a while lol but the issue randomly came back... and I do think this issue is specifically tied to Unreal Engine 5 games because I tried out Fragpunk

this time it caused the system to stutter on launch

Only thing left that I have not tried would be RAM/Motherboard. I did end up reinstalling windows as well + different cpu + different power supply

[topaz furnace]

Guys should I get the Asus ROG Zephyrus with a Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 and a 4070 or, for $100 more, the same laptop but with an Intel ultra 9 185h with a 4080. I’m an engineering student using AutoCAD, Fusion360, Solidworks, Matlab, etc

[livid idol]

If all you're using it for is school work, option 1. Those programs favor a strong CPU, and the Ryzen part is a bit better.
If you're also going to game on it, option 2 for the better GPU.

[topaz furnace]

Do you think there will be a noticeable difference between the Intel and Ryzen CPU

[livid idol]

As far as them being AMD or Intel, no. Very few programs care about the brand of CPU.

The HX 370 will be about 8% better at single core and 17% better at multi core loads though

Not a huge difference

[topaz furnace]

Hm okay

And in terms of gaming i’ll be doing very light if any. I’ll probably wait for the next gen gpus and the 9800x3d to build a new PC for that

[livid idol]

We're still a few months away from GPUs but the 9800X3D should be announced soon for a launch at the end of this month or the start of next month

[topaz furnace]

Yeah, I hope the 3D V-Cache CPU’s aren’t a flop like 9000 series was

[livid idol]

Theoretically with the huge efficiency increase of 9000 series they won't need to worry as much about the reduced voltage, and they should be able to leverage that to increase the clock speeds. My ballpark guess is 400-500MHz over the 7800X3D and if that's true, it would net about a 8-10% gain from that alone.

Nothing to write home about but a decent improvement. It would also explain why AMD has been so strict about not leaking clock speeds.

[topaz furnace]

Makes sense

[topaz furnace]

So do you think I should save $100 and go with the ryzen ai 9 and the 4070 combo

[livid idol]

That's what I would do in your position

[topaz furnace]

Hmmm ok

I’ll sleep on it

Thanks for your help!

[little kernel]

i have 1650super i want to upgrade what should i buy? (i use blender and aftereffects with 3d stuff) and ofc games 😂

[keen nacelle]

What's your budget?

And what cpu and power supply do you have

[little kernel]

500w and i5 9400f

[little kernel]

idk im saving right now

[keen nacelle]

I would probably suggest a gpu and power supply upgrade together, and then a cpu mobo and ram upgrade after

[little kernel]

yeah thats what im gonna do

but i want some recommendations

[keen nacelle]

I mean it really depends what you want to spend

$570 4070 super is great value

[keen nacelle]

You can grab this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tWMTwP/cooler-master-mwe-gold-850-v2-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpe-8501-afaag-us

Solid psu on a good sale rn, sets you up for any upgrade down the line

[little kernel]

I dont wanna spend much

Almost 700 to 750$

That range

[keen nacelle]

For gpu+psu?

Def 4070 super

[little kernel]

plus mobo and cpu

[little kernel]

i can save more than that but thats just for this month

next will be around 110 maybe each month

[keen nacelle]

Id say do 4070/super and a good psu this month, or a used 3080/ti or similar 40 series gpu

Then go to am5 with a cpu gpu and ram upgrade next month

[little kernel]

i already got 24gb ddr4 ram is ddr5 good to upgrade to?

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[open elbow]

I don't have the GPU yet, still shipping, but I recently bought an XFX 7900 XTX, and theirs comes with an anti-sag bracket which is pretty neat bc I know these huge GPUs tend to sag which easily damages or even kills them, but is that enough?

Like is it maybe worth dropping the extra $10 or whatever to get one of those anti-sag screw stand things? I've read a bunch of reviews of the GPU itself but none really mention the anti-sag bracket it comes with or how well it works, even video reviews don't really mention it lol

[cerulean rover]

Literally anything can be used for anti sag, using spare Lego pieces is popular and effective without spending anything

[open elbow]

I can't really think of anything I own that would work for the same purpose, I don't have Legos or anything

[tiny olive]

I have a GTX 2080ti liquid cooled that got some leakage. Doesn’t appear to be leaking anymore. But while it lights up, Motherboard doesn’t recognize it.

Worth getting repaired vs trashed?

[forest oasis]

did you make sure it was dry before powering it up

which ideally means you took off the faulty waterblock off

[livid idol]

Find a sturdy stick at your local tree

Wood accents are popular right now

[open elbow]

I am using a Fractal North for my case so the stick would fit right in!

[odd siren]

Not leaking anymore is more concerning than still leaking

Leaking at all, you turn it off test with towels or paper towels handy until you found the leak, and fix it

If the pc won't post anymore I think it'd be buggered but you won't know unless you test

[naive bane]

Im downloading bodycam right now

I hope it wont fry my new gpu : o

[velvet grail]

I can't believe I just spent 15€ on the nr200 pcie riser just for it to not be long enough to reach the two sides

All because of that asrock itx-ish thing with the x16 slot at the bottom

And the fact that the riser is meant for a perfect fit with an actual itx board

I also forgot to check AliExpress before buying, they have 15cm risers for just 9€. I'm so disappointed with this purchase >:[

[forest oasis]

F

[naive bane]

Downloading cod bo cold war

I wonder how good the fps and overall experience will be

[naive bane]

does HDR makes the gpu hotter?

[odd siren]

Might a tiny bit

[craggy pier]

Computers actually process in 32 bit roughly, and the only difference between hdr being off (8 bit) and hdr on (10 bit) is the end results so it barely at all affects it

But technically yes it does impact gpu performance

[glossy orbit]

Hi guys im looking to trade in my gpu and i wanted to know a bit more about the newegg trade in system.
Do you send your trade-in into newegg before you receive your new one
Or do you get the new one and then send it into newegg to get reimbursed for the trade in value
Or what actually happens when you do a trade in

[cerulean rover]

The purchase of the new GPU will be at full price, and at the same time of the purchase, they will ship you a shipping label to send in your trade in. You will have up to 14 days to ship your trade-in in, and after it is shipped, it is inspected, then if approved, you will receive a refund for the amount of the value of the trade-in, or a gift card of that balance.

[livid idol]

My understanding is you get an estimate before, and a final value after you send it in

[glossy orbit]

ohh got it thank you very muich!!

[cerulean rover]

You're welcome

[glossy orbit]

yaa thjats what i was thinking too

but i was wondering if the money will go back to your bank acc or would it be somewhere else

but mr1111 already answered that so thank you very much 🙂

[open elbow]

ok so small update on this, the included support bracket is actually too long to fit in the case but the card itself fits fine (barely). For some reason it extends slightly further past the card and it's just barely too far out to fit. I know these cards sag and I don't feel safe installing it until I have something to support it properly with, bc I'm hoping to keep using this for at least 4yrs. What should I use instead? People suggested Legos and sticks before, and while kind of funny, sticks are dirty and brittle, and frankly Legos are literally more expensive than any of these GPU supports I see online. The screw style ones are only like $6, but is one of those on the far end enough with nothing else on such a long card? Will it sag in the middle? I'm really not familiar with GPU sag bc I've never owned very large cards.

[forest oasis]

use disposable chopsticks

if you dont like the exposed bamboo, put a straw sleeve over it lmfao

floppa (former member of this server) did this and it worked great

if you dont have disposable chopsticks, go order some sushi and ask for an extra pair of chopsticks

or chinese takeout whatever

[open elbow]

ordering takeout w/ chopsticks is still more expensive in this economy than buying the dumb little adjustable thing for $6 on Amazon so that isn't really particularly helpful lol

[forest oasis]

fair, some people may have some laying around from when they ordered some though

[open elbow]

feels like people in here have a particularly weird dislike for GPU supports because both times I've tried to ask this question in here the answers have been useless to me. I don't just keep random vaguely stick-shaped junk laying around.

[forest oasis]

i have a whole stash

[craggy pier]

i use all my chopsticks

[open elbow]

Both times I've tried to ask this question I've basically gotten non-answers

[forest oasis]

hey

[craggy pier]

i just use what my gpu came with

[forest oasis]

always nice to have chopsticks laying around

well, my gpu mount is metal, but it came with the gpu

[craggy pier]

actually i have an extra set of supports since my case came with one as well

[forest oasis]

gpu support doesnt have to be anything fancy

all it has to do is keep the gpu from sagging

[craggy pier]

Does the job for me ✨

[forest oasis]

and it doesnt need to support much weight, the need for a support is mainly because the gpu only gets supported by the pcie slot and the 2 case screws

leaving one corner just hanging out

which wasnt a problem until gpus got a little too heavy

[craggy pier]

If youve got a 2 fan gpu youre chilling

3 fan and a support is kinda a need

[forest oasis]

a strong recommendation

[open elbow]

yeah the one that came with my GPU just barely doesn't fit in my case which is pretty sad. It's also metal so I can't exactly cut it short (I don't have the tools)

[craggy pier]

legos

some cardboard

[forest oasis]

3d print something if you have a 3d printer

[craggy pier]

cut an unsharpened pencil to a certain length

[open elbow]

So just having something supporting the one side will be enough? It won't sag in the middle? I wouldn't think it would but I'm also a bit paranoid bc I spent $700 on this thing

[craggy pier]

theres a lot you can do

[forest oasis]

well, i mean, i'm not stopping you from buying the $6 screw, just giving other options that you may have the materials laying around to diy a solution that is free or cheaper

[craggy pier]

dont worry about the middle

case and pcie slot has that covered

[forest oasis]

just need the far corner and it's enough

[craggy pier]

just the side

[open elbow]

ok that's good to hear

[craggy pier]

even then it wont just self distruct, you could easily just never install a support

i wouldnt recommend it since it can damage it, but you technically could and still function

[forest oasis]

well

some gpus may kill itself

but yeah

[open elbow]

I've read too many horror stories haha

[craggy pier]

lol understandable, its not exactly a cheap hobby so small mistakes are something to avoid

[open elbow]

the XFX 7900 XTX is also basically a brick so it's pretty Ling and heavy

long*

[forest oasis]

anything as simple as a disposable chopstick cut to length is enough to prevent gpu self death from being saggy

[craggy pier]

^

[forest oasis]

the support doesnt need to lift much weight; all it needs to do is remove the torsion that the gpu is getting from only being supported by 3 points

[craggy pier]

when i first built mine i spent like 30 minutes panicking that my cpu was too big when installing it into the motherboard, little did i realize it was normal

theres a lot of lil freak things 😭

[open elbow]

I'll probs order the cheap little thing and just cancel my order if I find something that works before it gets here lol

Other random quick question too

[forest oasis]

lmao

[open elbow]

Is it good to use the same power cables for my new GPU? I'm just swapping the 7900 XTX in for my old 3060ti in my current build, but should I be worried about power cable degradation or anything? Not sure if that's really a thing

[craggy pier]

use your power cables that came with the psu

[forest oasis]

same psu right?

[open elbow]

yeah same PSU

[forest oasis]

dont mix and match psu cables

[craggy pier]

bad idea

[forest oasis]

ok, then you're fine

no need for new cables

unless you want some premium sleeved cables for aesthetics

[craggy pier]

yurp

[open elbow]

Ok good to know my build is only 10 months old too so it's not like it's been in use for years

[forest oasis]

yeah the conductors wont degrade like that

[craggy pier]

its not like theyre regular chargers that are shuffling around when youre using your phone and stuff

[forest oasis]

really the only way it would break is if you crush them/cut them or bend them constantly thousands of times

[craggy pier]

they sit still

[open elbow]

Yeah I've seen horror stories of like the cables and connectors melting but my 3060 Ti runs like a refrigerator so I doubt the cables have gone bad

[forest oasis]

well, that's specifically for people who either used a sata power to pcie cable (terrible idea)

[craggy pier]

my 7900 gre runs pretty damn hot with my cables resting right on top and ive not had any issues lol

[forest oasis]

or they didnt plug in the connector all the way in (specifically the new 12 or 16 pin pcie cable)

[craggy pier]

your pc parts arent built with the intention of destroying themselves

[forest oasis]

well

[open elbow]

I would hope not at least

[craggy pier]

(usually)

[forest oasis]

intel would disagree frfr

[craggy pier]

if you have an intel cpu then yeah

[craggy pier]

LMAO yup

[forest oasis]

or perhaps

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-gamers-nexus-pc-bomb-planted-gif-22845602

[craggy pier]

corsair my beloved ❤️

[open elbow]

Ok so I'm getting ready to throw my new GPU in (for real this time) but I have never used DDU before and have no idea what I'm doing. By default it has a bunch of things ticked, what should I be doing here? I've tried looking up specific instructions but all I can really find is generic "boot into safe mode with the internet connection turned off and use DDU to remove your old drivers", but are the default settings fine? I am so lost lol

I have an AMD CPU currently installed so I imagine I probably don't want it to uninstall AMD stuff??? But idk.

[forest oasis]

You can just leave everything on default

[open elbow]

Should I not tick the options to remove nvidia physx + control panel?

Oh I just did some reading, didn't realize PhysX is both pretty much dead and also not Nvidia exclusive. Ok then, well nvm

[open elbow]

Ok so I got it installed and set up and everything, working great 🙏 idk about Temps and stuff, I'll check all of that later but the PC booted and the GPU hasn't burst into flames so that's a success I think

[odd siren]

Nice

Let us know if you have any problems

[long oracle]

is $180 for a 6600xt strix good?

[long oracle]

ok yes

[naive bane]

What makes the gpu prices so high? from which year (approx) the prices will go down by alot, if known?

[odd siren]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[naive bane]

I see, unknown then

[odd siren]

Ya

[long oracle]

bitcoin and ai

never going down only increasing, thats for upcoming models

were not even in inflation anymore

[forest oasis]

???

inflation is always happening

healthy for the economy

keeps the economy flowing

though only if the inflation rate is relatively low

[livid idol]

Yeah that 12% was bonkers

[random walrus]

Supply and demand

And I wouldn't say gpu prices are high rn (at least not in the US)

Maybe a tad high in comparison to older cards accouting for inflation but I wouldn't expect any big drops

Also the used market is pretty darn good last I checked

[livid idol]

The 4090 is still above msrp

An msrp that is already too high

The 4080 super is also still at msrp

[random walrus]

Yeah I guess Nvidia cards are more inflated.

AI go brr

[random walrus]

1800 vs MSRP 1600, so ~12% over

[random walrus]

People are clearly buying it at (or over) that MSRP though.

[livid idol]

Mostly because they don't have any other choice

They need it for work

[random walrus]

xx90 replaced titan right? Which was really meant for special use cases/ "I have too much money"

Not trying to defend Nvidia, I currently despise them for the 3060, 4060, and 4060ti

[livid idol]

The 90s sort of replaced the titan but then they didn't at the same time

They were heavily marketed to gamers

The 3090 especially

The 4090 marketing embraces the AI trend a lot more

But what really replaced the titans were the quadro cards as far as actual work goes

Things like the RTX 6000

[long oracle]

I meant the shortage like when gpus were 3times the price

[forest oasis]

well, that wasnt msrp pricing, that was scalper pricing

and even during that time, if you had the time patience and luck, you were still able to buy gpus at msrp

but then after companies noticed that people are buying the scalped gpus, they also raised their msrp

and that hasnt gone back down

[long oracle]

impossible to find at msrp it would be gone in milliseconds

people has bots buying for them

had

[forest oasis]

nobody said that you couldnt use bots yourself

💀

[livid idol]

That's why I camped outside a best buy to get a FE model

[long oracle]

still was too much work for average person

[livid idol]

... there's bot services you can pay to get you a gpu

[forest oasis]

also yeah some retailers made it so that you can only buy in person to prevent as many scalpers from grabbing the stock and reselling for markup

and prebuilts didnt have the scalper prices, though they did have the prebuilt prices

[long oracle]

yeah like Microcenter 10k miles away

[forest oasis]

no microcenters in this country

[long oracle]

even prebuilts suffered

[livid idol]

It was a weird time when prebuilts were recommended more than DIY because it was thousands of dollars cheaper

[forest oasis]

some people bought prebuilts just to grab the gpu out of it

[livid idol]

People still do that

[long oracle]

bruh the cheapest i found were 1k with the cheapest gpu

[livid idol]

Grab an older workstation with a RTX A4000 in it for $500, sell the A4000 for $500 and then piece out the rest for pure profit

You can get a decent budget gaming PC doing that too, just sell the quadro card and use the money to get a better gaming gpu

[long oracle]

lol I think the markets not demanding for that anymore

since components are cheaper new now

[livid idol]

It's not as common sure but people still do it

[forest oasis]

flipping pcs is one way to make some money

even if they dont use any of the hardware

[long oracle]

lol thats like an office job with unstable salary

[forest oasis]

buy a pallet of used pcs, dust them out and test them and make repairs, then sell them

[long oracle]

u not making insane money just my opinion

[forest oasis]

well, yeah

[livid idol]

No one said it was a viable job

[forest oasis]

it's more of a side job or if you have no job

[livid idol]

Just a side gig yeah

[long oracle]

ok valid

[forest oasis]

not even too too time consuming once you have a process up

[livid idol]

I bought a pallet of PS2s and I refurb them in my spare time

[long oracle]

but since you have no job where you getting that money from

[forest oasis]

have scripts run to test, have a single windows image to copy to every computer, etc.

[long oracle]

youd be taking out loans whenever you find a treasure deal

[forest oasis]

normally you would be buying office pcs/workstations

[long oracle]

like this guy

[forest oasis]

yeah gpu flipping also is a thing

usually if you look around occasionally, you would see like pallets of used hardware go up for sale in auctions and such

[long oracle]

where pls all I find is crusty old gpus with (no negotiation)

[forest oasis]

small lot of 5 computers on govdeals canada

if you won this for 100, and sold each system for $100 each, you'll still make a little bit of extra cash

[long oracle]

auction doesn’t hit like hand to hand century deals

tbh id scrape these ugly cases and do something like make a new case design and start a company

gotta think out the box

[livid idol]

You need to get lucky with the auction route, and keep an ear to the ground on every local auction site

[long oracle]

will do

thx

[forest oasis]

but yeah, your competition is just other pc flippers lmao

[long oracle]

thas what im sayin

[forest oasis]

i dont think anybody else would by buying lots of old pcs

you can also do the same with power tools and other old returns

[long oracle]

exactly

[forest oasis]

might not get as much profit though since ususaly those pallets are sorted already

[long oracle]

ye only slight profit most the time

[livid idol]

Sometimes you'll get lucky on amazon warehouse too and find a box with "miscellaneous PC parts" that are just returned items for cheap

[long oracle]

alrighty

[livid idol]

Bonus points if you do an unboxing youtube channel since you can call it a "mystery box"

[forest oasis]

lmao

adsense

[long oracle]

lol already preparing for a youtube channel might as well add that

[forest oasis]

$0.12 for 100000000000 views ong

[long oracle]

lol takes time snd innovation to get a fan base

[livid idol]

And that's only after your channel gets big enough to qualify for revenue sharing

"Blocking ads hurts youtubers"
Not as much as youtube itself hurts youtubers. Everyone knows sponsors are where the money is.

I think LTT can live without the 0.0002 cents I would have generated

[forest oasis]

lmao

[craggy pier]

"it hurts the youtubers" no it hurts the youtubers

[pallid nova]

got a question, my gpu has a weird problem where shifting the power cable affects whether or not it displays. however, even when it doesnt display, theres power to the gpu (the rgb and fans spin). is this the gpu or the power? i recently reseated it into the mobo and was having the VGA light light up. now the display turns on but shifting the power does what i described before

[cerulean rover]

it's likely the GPU's power connector being loose in some way, usually the RGB and fans get powered from the 75w provided by the PCIe slot, and the rest takes from the PCIe power cables

[pallid nova]

would it be that the connector is faulty?

i made sure its seated all the way in and that i heard the click

[livid idol]

It is possible that it's faulty. If this is a Nvidia 40 series card then do not use that cable if you don't like fire in your PC.

[forest oasis]

but fire is hot

🔥

[cerulean rover]

it may be the cable or the port itself, display depending on the orientation of the cable probably means there's something wrong with the contact

[pallid nova]

it is a 40s 💀

[cerulean rover]

the 16pin melting incidents can mostly be pinned on bad contact and/or defects with the cable or port

[livid idol]

Ok so that means the sense pins aren't making full contact and the cable is either not actually inserted correctly (which is a major issue on that connector, where it appears to be but isn't) or the cable is bad

[pallid nova]

just wanted to add that this cable was working since august until i decided to reseat the gpu because i forgot to take off some of the plastic 💀

[pallid nova]

ok lemme go get a new one.... i dont wann fry my gpu

thanks for reassuring its not the gpu... that thing costs so much

[livid idol]

If it's an earlier version of the 12VHPWR cable then that's even more dangerous, they've made several revisions since then

What you want to look for now is called 12V 2x6

That has a much more recent standard that's easier to insert and less likely to melt

[pallid nova]

this is the one that connects to the gpu right? not the three connector one that comes with the gpu

[livid idol]

The connector being fragile is one of the original issues with 12VHPWR

Are you using the included adapter (3x 8pin it sounds like) or one that goes straight to the PSU

[pallid nova]

yeah

i have the rog strix 4080 super. if that helps im using whatever came in the box

[livid idol]

The adapter then. What power supply do you have?

[pallid nova]

or it might be this connector i got.... so the 3x8 pin is at the back and i have this one. here lemme take a pic

[pallid nova]

rm1000x

[livid idol]

Does it look like this?

[pallid nova]

yeah thats the one at the back

[livid idol]

But with 3 instead of 4

The good news is Corsair has EXCELLENT cables you can get to upgrade your power supply to the latest spec

[pallid nova]

wait im reading the box i think i have that one 💀

from the box of extra connectors i got

[pallid nova]

true. the other cables are all corsair and their really good.... though this is only my second build so im used to crappy ones

[livid idol]

I have the RM850x myself for this exact reason, they were the only ones that had the original 12 pin connector for the 30 series FE cards.

[pallid nova]

Wtvr this is

Sometimes my screen goes black

[livid idol]

That looks like an extension

[pallid nova]

Yeah it is

[livid idol]

This is one of the cases where you do NOT want an extension, they melt more than anything else

[pallid nova]

Oooo

Uh... lemme get rid of it asap 💀

[forest oasis]

💀

what extension is this anyways

aka what brand

[pallid nova]

Yeah the price was too good to be true

[forest oasis]

that isnt what i would call the most trustworthy brand (i dont think i've ever seen this brand)

[pallid nova]

Amazon 🫠

[livid idol]

Yikes. Hopefully we caught it before it caused any permanent damage.

Good old scamazon

[forest oasis]

amazon is full of dropshippers

this might just be from aliexpress lmao

[pallid nova]

Yeah i hope nothing permanent happened

What brands do u guys recommend

[forest oasis]

not that aliexpress only has garbage, but you have to kinda skim through it

and also it's probably way marked up compared to what the original seller would have been selling it for

[livid idol]

I'm finding the right one for your psu

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920347/corsair-type-4-psu-90-12v-2x6-style-a-cable-cp-8920347

There

[pallid nova]

Yeah i knew it was too good to be true. I got this box for 40 cad incl tax

[livid idol]

Oh cad, one sec

There canada https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920347/corsair-type-4-psu-90-12v-2x6-style-a-cable-cp-8920347

[forest oasis]

well, certainly not some generic/no name/no established brand one

[pallid nova]

Holy crap 30 bucks. Hopefully canada computers has it. Im gonna go double check

[pallid nova]

Im dead 😭

[livid idol]

The one I linked is the 90 degree one that will have the cable going the same way as you have it currently so you don't need to worry about smashing it against the glass too

[pallid nova]

Yeah that was a problem with the crappy one i have.

Im also gonna take a look at the mobo power

[livid idol]

Yep it's another inherent flaw to the original design

[livid idol]

Canada Computers has some but they're more expensive and also not the newer version or angled adapted

Corsair ships to CA

[pallid nova]

Is type 5 just the newer version?

[pallid nova]

Yeah im just gonna buy from them

[livid idol]

Type 5 is for different power supplies, you want type 4

[pallid nova]

Aah okok

[livid idol]

Keep in mind the ones at canada computers are the older 12VHPWR standard

12V 2x6 is the newer one that's easier to use and safer

[pallid nova]

Got it

Also

Wait nvm i found it

Spending 80 more dollars 💀💀

[candid prawn]

Guys, I kinda wanted a new PC and my goal is probably to buy one next year, Im hoping for early next year. BUT

Meanwhile, do you think it may be worth it for me to upgrade the graphics card?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JDTqL9

[livid idol]

Depends on what you're playing

The 1080 ti is still a respectable GPU these days

[candid prawn]

Right now Throne and Liberty , ESO, and some shooters

[pallid nova]

1080ti is goated lol.

[livid idol]

You're probably fine waiting then, none of those are heavy on the GPU

[candid prawn]

Im kinda having low fps in TL

[livid idol]

More likely the CPU since I'm seeing people running it on max settings with a 1660

All those critical vulnerability exploit patches have drained about 20% of the original performance of the 8700K also

[candid prawn]

rip, can I just stay vulnerbale?:Djk

so my CPU was at 85% while my gpu was at 32%, does that sound right?

[livid idol]

Sounds like a CPU bottleneck if I ever saw one

You want the GPU closer to 100%

[candid prawn]

thanks!

[livid idol]

Actually now that I look again throne and liberty recommends at least the 11600K, which your 8700K is definitely not

So 100% a CPU bottleneck

[pallid nova]

Ggs

[pallid nova]

Is cable mod a reputable brand? Just the gpu cable is 50 dollars for me 💀

[livid idol]

Mostly yes

They had issues with melting adapters too but have resolved it

The general consensus about them is their replacement cables are good but the 90 degree adapters should be avoided

[pallid nova]

Oo

So theyre a no go too then

[livid idol]

A replacement cable using the configurator would be fine

It's just the little adapter piece that turns a regular cable into an angled one that melted

Cablemod charges $45 USD for their replacement cable though

[pallid nova]

😭😭

Why are cables so expensive 💀

[livid idol]

Because this new gen cable keeps breaking and they keep needing to re-engineer it

[pallid nova]

Wait what. Isnt the 12v-2x6 not supposed to break

[livid idol]

It breaks less

There's more safeties for when it does too

[pallid nova]

Aaah

As to not fry my gpu

And fire

[livid idol]

Yeah it just cuts the power if it detects a bad connection instead of powering through and melting

[pallid nova]

Aight screw it

Good investment. Rather i spend 50 now than 1.6k later

[livid idol]

That's a great way to look at it

[pallid nova]

(Im coping.... i havent gotten paid yet)

[livid idol]

At least you can still use it without the extension until you get the replacement cable

It just won't look as nice

[pallid nova]

Yeah... rather than rerouting the cables from the back im just gonna display from mobo for now. I have too many midterms to game anyways

[livid idol]

That's always a good option too

[pallid nova]

Wait sorry one more question

For the corsair cable does it matter if it comes with only 2 pcie cable heads?

[livid idol]

It does not

[livid idol]

Corsair uses good quality connectors and thick 16 awg cables

So using 2 is perfectly fine

[pallid nova]

Oo so its still enough power?

[livid idol]

Yep

[pallid nova]

This is what im currently using

[livid idol]

Also keep in mind that it's only 12 power pins on the GPU side, 6x 12V and 6x ground, which is an exact match to the pins contained in 2 of the standard PCIe cables

They used additional cables in the adapters to account for brands that aren't Corsair and use worse cables

[pallid nova]

Theyre cables that came with the psu and the three splitter came with gpu

[livid idol]

Yep. That adapter uses 3 cables just in case you have a low quality power supply. Which you don't.

[pallid nova]

Ooo. I see. So with the new cable, i can get rid of this pigtail mess and just directly plug into psu and gpu

[livid idol]

Exactly

[pallid nova]

Okok... 50 bucks dont sound too bad anymore

[pallid nova]

Ty for answering my questions 🙏🙏im still pretty noob at this lol

[livid idol]

Happy to help

Glad we were able to figure out the issue quickly too before you became another warranty claim statistic

[pallid nova]

Thats true.... hopefully no damage has been done 🙏🙏

[livid idol]

If you want to fall into a rabbit hole https://youtu.be/Y36LMS5y34A?si=jPIiHqJHK1uaeh_d

[silent cradle]

How many grams of UTP-8 would I need likely for my 7800xt?

[odd siren]

You shouldn't need any unless your core hotspot is garbage

Gddr6 is not hot

[limber flax]

5 million

[silent cradle]

Idk how long ago it was, saw performance decrease in 6 months of having it.

Pcs are dust magnets, been meaning to repaste for over 3 months now

[limber flax]

Succ

[pallid nova]

Probably will.... im trying to get into the nitty gritty of pc building

[livid idol]

If you're careful you can reuse the pads already on there. That memory isn't hot like Felix said, so even lower quality stock pads are fine.

[silent cradle]

I mean I just bought 10g of UTP-8 for 2$ and I can't stop it already, should I just repad the memory then?

[livid idol]

How much you need depends on the exact model you have but 10g should be enough for that. Try to put about as much as you think it will take to match the pad thickness.

[silent cradle]

It’s the pulse, but this was a convo like 2 months ago, there’s no 7800xt gutting yet.

Nobody has opened their 7800xt pulse and measured pad thickness and the amount of pads

I assume there’s 5 because of the Nitro 7800xt model, but I don’t think they listed the pad thickness or type with the nitro.

but hopefully 10g is enough cause I’m 100% going to be screwing up or something

[odd siren]

10 should be more than enough

[solemn panther]

Hm

[warped apex]

whats up with the 7900 xtx rn with lag?

[random dock]

Got a 1440p480hz oled monitor

Should I get a 4090 now or wait for 5090?

[livid idol]

You'd be waiting a minimum of 3 months, possibly 5, for the 5090

[random dock]

Currently have a 4070ti super so ig I can wait wait a bit but really crave more performance then this gpu can currently provide

When buying the gpu I had no idea 480hz oleds would be a thing in my lifetime

[livid idol]

They did come pretty suddenly

We're almost to where you can buy one monitor at a good price and be happy for many years

[odd siren]

Feel like there won't be a whole lot of games you could saturate a 480hz with anyway

Not with a 4090, let alone 5090

Very few games that happily sit in the 480fps range that aren't somehow massively cpu bound to begin with so throwing more at a GPU very likely wouldn't improve that high end

[livid idol]

Many of them have engine limits that are closer to 200 and often less as well

[odd siren]

Yup

[random walrus]

I think overwatch 2 got a bump from 300fps engine limit to 600

But that would mean playing overwatch 2 🤢

[forest oasis]

Real

[craggy pier]

Diminishing returns really slapping themselves on the wall here

[odd siren]

Could you even call it a slap

Numbers so saturated it's more like a tickle

[craggy pier]

A tickle would be a compliment

[random walrus]

I hope AAA game developers/studios/investors/etc come to the realization that gameplay >> graphics

I feel like there's been a lot of downhill since around 2016 with large performance drops for marginal graphics gains

Maybe more like 2018

Coincidence that DLSS was introduced in 2019...?

[craggy pier]

Youre talking to the same companies that think, in quote, indie games like pal world and lethal company create "unfair standards"

[livid idol]

Devs are getting lazy with ports is part of the problem. They're relying on DLSS/FSR to get playable frame rates.

Just to save a few days' worth of work too

[forest oasis]

to be fair, a day's worth would probably cost like $4k for a dev team of 20 people

assuming 8 hour days

with an hourly of 25 dollars an hour

idk how much game devs make

[livid idol]

4k per day with a budget of 400k though

This is AAA games

[forest oasis]

they probably spent most of that budget on marketing though

or weed idk

[pallid nova]

does anyone know why i keep getting this windows security error when trying to download graphics drivers from nvidia experience?

[odd siren]

💀💀💀

Nvidia shady as hell man

Microsoft confirmed source

[vital oriole]

lmao

[ivory herald]

pro tip, download the standalone driver.

[livid idol]

If you got that from nvidia.com get one marked as "WHQL" instead. If you didn't get it from nvidia.com, run fast and far from that site, delete that immediately.

There's a few issues with downloading through GFE, like an unsigned driver version or possibly something more malicious like DNS poisoning

[naive bane]

Why SLI is not being used anymore? what happend? will it come back?

[keen nacelle]

Running two gpus is almost never beneficial for most users

It's only useful for some workstation tasks, maybe if you need more display outputs, or maybe streaming

A lot of the time it actually hurt gaming performance

[forest oasis]

They should bring back sli for VR though

Since VR is rendering 2 like 1440p screens at the same time

So you'll actually be able to utilize 2 GPUs properly

[livid idol]

SLI isn't used in most modern games, even if you had a set of GPUs that supports it. Driver level support for it is no longer developed, so any game that wants to support it needs to manually add it which takes more effort than 99.9% of devs are willing to do.

[livid idol]

That sounds like a recipe for motion sickness since the issue with SLI was the GPUs getting slightly out of sync and causing screen tearing

[forest oasis]

i mean, the problem was because sli was rendering like half the screen on each gpu right? while for vr, it would be rendering on one screen for each gpu

https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks/graphics/vrsli like, nvidia did it back in maxwell

[livid idol]

Each GPU was rendering half the screen yes... but it was every other horizontal line of pixels.

If the VR screens go even 2 frames out of sync with each other it will cause extreme motion sickness like back when VR first came out with atrocious frame rates

[forest oasis]

iirc there were multiple sli implementations? some that split the screen into halves, some that rendered every other line kinda like interlacing, and such?

[livid idol]

Yes there is multiple methods to it and it depends on what the dev intended

[forest oasis]

i wonder how noticable it would be though, especially if you're able to hit the like 144hz range, if a frame goes out of perfect sync once in a while

[livid idol]

If you do a quick turn, even one frame out of sync would make me sick

[forest oasis]

like, currently, there's not really any gpu that can render some of the modern vr headsets with insane resolution at a stable framerate

[odd siren]

They should do vr in vertical render scans rather than horizontal

That way if one gpu lags, your eye sees the past

[forest oasis]

iirc not even the 4090 (i think that was what my friend has?) can handle the valve index at 100% resolution at 144hz, and that's a 4+? year old headset

and there are even higher res headsets now

[livid idol]

It's effectively 4k144

There's bigger issues than the GPU at that bandwidth requirement

[forest oasis]

yeah the index cable is quite easily damaged

once that signal integrity goes down, you get visual artifacts and then you'll need to buy a new tether

(which is like $150)

[livid idol]

Only because they did that stupid sharp 90 degree turn cable right?

[forest oasis]

nah, it's just fragile ish

fairly thin

[livid idol]

Must be another one I'm thinking of

[odd siren]

Needs moar thunderbolt

[forest oasis]

technically there is like, an almost 90 degree turn, but that comes out of the headset, and that isnt what ususally breaks

nvm less than a 90

more like 45

wait

hold on that doesnt seem right

wtf is this angle again i forgot math 💀

[odd siren]

Neurons firing

Brain speeding up

[forest oasis]

brain exploded

[odd siren]

Reticulating spleens

[forest oasis]

it's like a 135 degree angle

i think

💀

[livid idol]

Once new headsets can utilize USB 4.0/TB 5 at full 40+ Gbps a lot of the compromises they've had to make can go away

[odd siren]

Oh wait swears

Click quick

LOL

QUICK QUICK

TICK TOK TICK TOK

[forest oasis]

just mute the video and they'll never know

[odd siren]

TICK TICK TICK

Gon

[solid glacier]

welp gg xD

i bought my borhter a new mobo but his cpu and ram doesnt work for it

[keen nacelle]

yeah... no thats am5 with an am4 cpu

[solid glacier]

whats a cpu i can get for him

for the board

[keen nacelle]

7500f off aliexpress or 7600/x

[solid glacier]

oo 132

[livid idol]

You'll also need a kit of DDR5 memory

Something like this (probably samsung so good at xmp/expo but not for overclocking)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cY9wrH/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-ctced532g6000hc38adc01

[keen nacelle]

$3 more gets you hynix https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cnbTwP/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-fx5

[pallid nova]

I got it from geforce experience

How do i prevent dns poisoning?

[livid idol]

If that's actually what's happening here, which is rare, there's no way to stop it without changing your ISP or jumping through several hoops including a VPN

That's what makes DNS poisoning so nasty

[pallid nova]

Oooo… so should i be downloading from GFE or nvidia.com?

When i downloaded from nvidia.com it also gave me that warning. Though i got told by someone that the driver might not be signed yet since it did come out yesterday

[forest oasis]

you could try downloading a previous version and see if that also gives an unsigned warning

[pallid nova]

It has for the past 2 patches

Or rather versions

But every single update was from gfe or nvidia.com

[livid idol]

If you downloaded from nvidia.com and the driver was marked as WHQL, there's no reason for it to give that error unless something is screwy elsewhere. If you have a VPN try using that and manually set your primary DNS to 8.8.8.8

@pallid nova

[pallid nova]

it had WHQL... thats why im worried now

[pallid nova]

i dont have a vpn on

i got this

[livid idol]

Yeah that's WHQL so it should be signed and sealed by both Nvidia and Microsoft

You can get a free trial of a VPN to test with. I use Surfshark.

[pallid nova]

aight im gonna try. i have a nord subscription

also, would these drivers be affecting the black screens i get from time to time? it flashes black screens for no reason. i checked the hdmi for both as well as reseated the gpu.

not to mention sometimes a bsod

man this new pc has so many more problems than my old one.

[livid idol]

Put the contents of the C:\Windows\Minidump folder into a zip file and DM it to me. I'll be able to analyze the crash dumps in a bit when I get home.

[pallid nova]

wait i totally forgot about analyzing the crash dump hold on

[craggy pier]

Do yall think the 5000 series are going to go down once they release?

Or do you think enough chumps are gonna fork over 2.5k to make up for it

[odd siren]

No way they go down

Nvidia has been trending up very rapidly for many generations

And not to mention current gen 40 series has barely price shifted (In the case of the 4090, upwards even)

Too many signs point to a big uptick

Both in performance and price

[random dock]

Well performance going up is most important imo

Everything else even price upto a point is secondary

[keen nacelle]

No shot 5090 will be over 2k

In my opinion anyways

[random dock]

Yeah 4090 was also rumoured to be over 2k iirc

[keen nacelle]

People were saying 4090 was 3x a 3090, 600w, among other very not true things

Ill wait for official pricing lol

[forest oasis]

i think it's nearly impossible for a megacorporation to lower prices on something that has a measurable improvement from the previous generation, no matter how small the improvement is

i do believe it's possible for them to either not raise the price much, or raise the price by a fair bit

but never lower

i will go to a walmart naked and get arrested if they actually lower the price

[keen nacelle]

Im just hoping 8000 series lives up to the rumors

This gen perf but much cheaper

If it is ill probably hop to that, otherwise I'll be going used/refurb

[junior locust]

I can almost guarantee you it will be

If the 4090 sold out in like 10 seconds for 1600

You can easily go 2 grand and sell out in 15 seconds while making 40% more profits

If nGreedAI goes extra greedy, 2500

[odd siren]

4090 is already up to 1800 msrp iirc

I wouldn't be surprised personally considering how much happened in the last two years

[cerulean rover]

They'll probably just make it called 5090 ti super or something and use a worse die for 5090 so prices don't look like they increased by much

[craggy pier]

When do you think those would be releasing, rumors aside

[craggy pier]

Well i mean when consumer grade products cost an executive level price it becomes an issue for sure

The price to performance looks promising for the 5070 from what ive seen

The rumor mill is chugging along, but the lower series cards hopefully wont suck

I wish amd or even intel would throw some competition into the bubble on higher end cards

But we know that reality 😔

[junior locust]

Almost certainly they will suck

This is nGreedAI we're talking about

They're not a graphics company, and you're nothing but a wallet to them

[craggy pier]

😔

[junior locust]

Expect the worst so you can't be disappointed

[forest oasis]

No company is there to be your friend

Any company that tries to be, will always end up in the dirt

[normal hawk]

Not according to Valve worshippers lol

[craggy pier]

I hate nvidia, but if they (hypothetically) offered better value than an amd alternative, i would buy the nvidia card

Im not here to get personal with nvidia, throw some dice have a cup of coffee, i want a product

[normal hawk]

Like watching people comparing pc handhelds and the focus is always on the "twice the price" despite that not even be true. The steam deck OLED is priced close enough to the ROG Ally and Legion Go. The LCD steam deck being 399 isn't even half the price of any of them except the ROG Ally X.

[craggy pier]

Same goes even for brands i really do bias towards, like sennheiser for example

[normal hawk]

I love my steam deck. But there are tons of reasons why someone would prefer either of the other options that they just disregard with the price and move on.

[forest oasis]

well, at the end of the day, valve aint there to be your friend either
sure, they're quite consumer friendly, but that's because they're smart enough to know that happy customers = loyal customers

[craggy pier]

The only time i might ever buy the worse product is if im confident in the brand or the people behind and want to help it grow

But thats a niche and the tech field is too large for my money to make an impact lol

[odd siren]

I completely align with this

[normal hawk]

That's what I'm saying lol. I just mean valve worshippers just automatically love anything from them.

[forest oasis]

well, i guess their PR is working then lmao

blindly loyal customers are still loyal customers after all

[craggy pier]

Youve never heard of apple have you

[forest oasis]

apple has a different method of capturing customers

[craggy pier]

Add 200 bucks

[forest oasis]

it's not by being consumer friendly, but just having the prestige that it tries to impart into their brand

their whole marketing is basically just "we're different from everybody else so we are better"

[craggy pier]

90% of their marketing is "everyone else has one"

Even when samsung has a big slice of the pie

[random walrus]

And offering an admittedly top tier cross-device ecosystem

[forest oasis]

true

but that's technically part of the prestige

it just works
seamlessly (with their own products)

[coral nexus]

Question, thinking about upgrading GPU, from 6800 (non XT) to 7800/7900 XT, will the jump be highly recommended?

[forest oasis]

highly recommended? absolutely not, especially not the 7800
recommended? maybe if you get a killer deal on a 7900gre? would still not be a big upgrade honestly

better to skip a generation before upgrading,

[odd siren]

7900XT minimum

Yeah

[keen nacelle]

6800 about matches the 7700xt

7800xt would be maybe 10-15% better

100% not worth

[coral nexus]

seems best buy has a GRE 7900 for sale. But ive never used the xfx radeon version.

[keen nacelle]

We're fairly close to new gpus, personally with a 6800 id stick it out

[coral nexus]

MSI is always my hand picked, but they dont make cards for this series. So GRE7900, minimum, would be reccomended IF I find a good price?

[keen nacelle]

The 7900 gre is probably about 25% better than the 6800

[keen nacelle]

Anything that isn't an asrock challenger or asus dual

[coral nexus]

does that include XFX Radeon, GRE7900, is that okay?

[keen nacelle]

Yes, imo just not a worthwhile upgrade from a 6800

New gpus from amd are rumored to be focused on value instead of increasing performance

Like 7900xtx performance around $600-700 if the rumors are to be trusted

[forest oasis]

gre is only worth it with a killer deal to upgrade specifically (which i doubt the current sale on it is a killer deal), but yeah also next gen is gonna come out in within a few months so even with a killer deal, you may be better off waiting for the next gen

[odd siren]

Next gen isn't the thing for me

To me it's like, anything sub 7900XT is like within 30%

So hard pass

Sales around this time of year and before the next cycle for radeon tend to be really really good so I would say it's not a terrible idea, just you really want to aim quite high vs a 6800

[forest oasis]

true

[odd siren]

Like 7900XT is around 630 rn which is honestly fantastic

Raster is a stone's throw off a 4080/Super

May get a little better but that's already excellent

[coral nexus]

im looking at 550 atm for a GRE XFX radeon 7900 Xt, I figured that was a solid deal, but I wasnt certain it would be worth the upgrade. But considering that price point, thats a good deal atm? And IF I want to upgrade its minium gotta be 7900, no lower, correct?

[odd siren]

Nah GRE is a pass imo

Way too close to a 6800

Aim 7900XT or 7900XTX

It's not like the GRE is a bad buy, it's just not worthwhile for your current hardware

[keen nacelle]

In my opinion it's not worth it unless your 6800 is having issues and absolutely needs replacing

[coral nexus]

for context, game wise, Throne and Liberty. on a ryzen 7 7800 3dx.

Ive had the 6800 for a long min, so was thinking about upgrading.

[odd siren]

Yeah you really want a beefy gpu to make that upgrade worth it

[coral nexus]

so better to wait?

[odd siren]

Yea

Wait or aim at least as high as a 7900 XT

NOT 7900 gre

[coral nexus]

its a couple months out for new Gpu's, right? Its apiril?

[odd siren]

Within 6 months supposedly

[raven wharf]

@odd siren

you ever hear anything abt this? https://videocardz.com/newz/zephyr-introduces-radeon-rx-6800-6900-with-white-pcb-four-years-after-amd-release#disqus_thread

[odd siren]

YO

WHITE PCB?

YO YO

I WANT

[raven wharf]

ik you crave white radeons

[long oracle]

found a 4070 for $455 should I grab it?

new

[long oracle]

bruh I dont pay attention to the new market prices is that good or not cuz I think it is

[craggy pier]

Thats not really a deal no

At that price id just grab a 7800xt

[long oracle]

which is slower 💀 16gb aint gonna save it and its $50 more

[odd siren]

Can get a 3080Ti for less than that 4070 and be completely faster

Same with 7800XT tbh, not slower at all

Still faster even if you factor in heavy RT:

Only 2% slower in full RT head to head ☠️

Meme resolution but the 7800XT beats it at full RT in 4K lmfao

Not bad for ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/315892177839

Or this for even better price/performance https://www.ebay.com/itm/286119315422

Or one of these great things https://www.ebay.com/itm/176643810785

And this is ebay, so the usual good prices aren't even common on this site

[random walrus]

GN did a review of the 3090 version of the OEM dell card and was pleasantly surprised by the quality

I assume the 3080 is the same cooler

[odd siren]

Yup

Gem made on the concept of cheap principles yet proves itself very able

[random walrus]

The plastic shroud reminds me a tad of older evga models, like 900/1000 series cards

[odd siren]

Tbh yeah

I don't really mind the zero aethestic look either

It's function over form

[random walrus]

shroud points downwards in most cases anyways

[odd siren]

Yeah very "All business no bs" look

[random walrus]

Makes sense for an OEM card

No visible branding other than "geforce rtx" which I wouldn't be surprised if it was required by nvidia

[odd siren]

Oh yeah that is always required

It used to be enforced as prevalent and green

Not all that long ago was the green part rescinded

[coral nexus]

Its better to uninstall an older amd gcard, before installing a newer amd card, correct?

I normally dont do that, just pop it in.

[long oracle]

they’re out of stuck since forever

and I think if I pay a lil more I’m going for the super since it’s faster than the 7800xt so
appreciate the effort tho

[heady stratus]

Good, I need my 3090 to last another few years

[craggy pier]

It literally isnt faster tho 😭

[long oracle]

yes it is

[craggy pier]

Wait

You said super

Mb

[long oracle]

rt and dlss

[craggy pier]

Lol

Super is great value rn

[long oracle]

np lol glad u acknowledge this

[craggy pier]

Yee, i personally prefer what the gre has compared to the super but i think theyre both great options

[long oracle]

understandable it’s indeed good for raw 4k

[craggy pier]

I think its a bit more suited for 1440p generally if youre a frame rate junkie, but it can do 4k

[long oracle]

ye like playable better at 4k than the super

[craggy pier]

In cyberpunk as an example without rt you go from about 110fps with 1440p to about 50fps with 4k

Still perfectly consumable performance, but if you want rt youre def gonna be using 1440p

[long oracle]

ye cyberpunk kinda more optimised for Nvidia

[craggy pier]

True

Also this depends on your cpu ofc

[long oracle]

yea but these days almost all new cpus can keep up with the existing gpus

[tough plinth]

i got this popup after i installed amd adrenalin software version 24.10.1. it doesnt disappear when i click to focus on another window like a regular popup.

oh that popup is from the epic games launcher

the last game i played was fortnite

[raven wharf]

favorite gpu shroud design? mine is tied between the XTX reference and XFX's 6950 XT

red and black is just

[random walrus]

The paint is thermally reactive

[random dock]

Is it now

[odd siren]

Seen it IRL, yes it is

[random dock]

Soo actually helped with temps?

[junior locust]

I think it changes colors with temp increase

Like it's green when cold, blue when hot type of stuff

[craggy pier]

Ive got a 7900 gre (specifically the red devil from powercolor) and ive heard its an overclock monster and im tempted to dig into that since ive never touched oc before, what kind of things come with doing this, lifespan wise and other?

[odd siren]

Nope

It just changed colours

Like some coffee mugs you see 💀

[craggy pier]

Or even just undervolting

[odd siren]

Undervolting is more or less overclocking for AMD

Ryzen and Radeon both

Curve optimiser and voltage slider in both cases serve to undervolt but the chips still boost to the same ppt (power limit)

So it'll just use less voltage to achieve the same result

If it has headroom to boost then it will, and they most often if not always do boost higher

So the balance becomes a bit similar to nvidia overclocking, like, "How high can I get the clocks at this voltage?" type approach

If you want to actually reduce power you reduce the power limit either separately or together with it

Like PBO but reversed

[craggy pier]

My question is why dont the parts just use lower voltages stock then?

[odd siren]

Cos they only bother with one or a couple programmed vbios'

If they all hit that range successfully and "stable" then they become official cards

If they don't, downbinned or trashed

[limber flax]

It'd take too long to individualize the values

[odd siren]

Mass production and all that

Yeah

[craggy pier]

Fair enough

[odd siren]

You're after an easy range that can be produced en masse

[limber flax]

So general value range that works is established

Ye

[odd siren]

So hand crafting each card would take 1000 cards an hour down to maybe 1 or 2

Removes tons of automation

The other side of this is we also tap into the groundwork that gives us "silicon lottery"

Since they're all "stable" according to the manu, but some do it much better than others

You'll get hand-picking for certain lineups

[craggy pier]

Appreciate the info

[odd siren]

E.g KS intel or liquid devil

But sometimes you get a really good chip

[craggy pier]

I might try just a small undervolt and see how it goes then, probs chop off 50mV or something

[odd siren]

Sure

All radeon RDNA 3 cards have a wide range

Some like running low voltage and also low clock

Some high voltage, high clock

Sometimes a mix of either or

[craggy pier]

Ill poke at it a bit, nothing crazy

Would be nice to squeeze 5% or more perf from what ive heard

[odd siren]

The widely accepted rough binning check would be probably, I think it's gpu-z ASIC quality reading

The lower the better

[odd siren]

Np, there's a thread online at oc.net called something like, "XFX Merc 310 owners thread" and in there, the OP has a huge post that'll teach you a ton of things about RDNA 3

Extremely useful thread

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[odd siren]

I haven't really scratched the surface on everything to know

[limber flax]

I know plug in card

Card go brr

But sometimes not

[lofty crane]

I have a stupid question

if I put in my 1650 gtx and my 3060 and use the 3060 for a good monitor and the other for a bad one is that a good idea?

[random walrus]

If you're just putting discord or a browser on the second monitor while gaming I doubt it's worth it, I'd sell the 1650/use it elsewhere

[livid idol]

That is a thing you can do but it would serve almost no benefit. Using the iGPU built into a CPU would be a better option.

That way you don't have to worry about extra power usage

[silent cradle]

https://www.gpumagick.com/scores/436092

Okay some context: Benched my GPU back in July, saw there was a big decrease in my FPS with high/rising temps and a few days ago I repasted my GPU, with even lower FPS than before. The image + link above is one I just did with presentmon data into a spreadsheet cause Falcie thought it might of been a bottleneck

this test was directly after I repasted (https://www.gpumagick.com/scores/show.php?id=426620) and this one (https://www.gpumagick.com/scores/show.php?id=204497) was the one back in july. I don't have any other links saved for my previous benches unfortunately

I don't know why my performance is just all over the place, only thing i've really updated was my drivers and furmark, otherwise I noticed with this latest bench I didn't have my overclock on while the other two did with that HYPR X preset

[livid idol]

With both the CPU and GPU being equally busy I would assume the issue lies elsewhere, like RAM

Maybe you updated bios and forgot to set xmp/overclock again?

[silent cradle]

I have yet to update my bios still but i'll do that in a bit

But that could be it honestly

[random walrus]

Second test does have lower temps but also lower power draw, idk if that could be part of the issue

[silent cradle]

No clue how mine managed to get to 287w when TDP is 260 & I know nothing about overclocking 😭

[livid idol]

Easy answer is the motherboard is probably ignoring the default limits

Or at least doing some fudgery

[odd siren]

DDU, update bios

Leave XMP on, radeon overlay off

Then retest

Using presets and all that will cause disparity

[livid idol]

Oh right GPU. It's pretty normal for a GPU to spike over the power limit temporarily.

[odd siren]

Variability is possible especially when iirc hypr x involves FSR

Yep it does

FMF2

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[livid idol]

My Nvidia card reports 110% power usage with no overclock applied

But only in bursts

[odd siren]

Do DDU, bios update, run stock + XMP, radeon overlay off, check results then

Things like framegen will cause inconsistency

[craggy pier]

whats yall's hope for the 8000 series

maybe there'll be actually competent budget cards (it'll never happen)

[odd siren]

I have 0 expectations

Lol

[craggy pier]

so you arent disappointed in the case of a disappointing launch?