graphics-cards

[odd siren]

So just inherently a problem

Yeah "500"

i.e 500+5

Or 495 +5 kept for spare

Lol

Truth be told though that's the kind of card you'd repair, they're worth something

[odd siren]

@velvet grail @raven wharf what temps do your cards normally sit at

[velvet grail]

My main 6950xt?

It's Δ5°C idle @25% rpm and Δ43°C under load (330w) @70% rpm

[odd siren]

Interesting

Appreciate it

TIL those cards are a lot more competent than I thought

[velvet grail]

Yeah, cooling is really good considered my gigabyte 2080 would run 65C max fan speed with 100w less

Xfx cards are jet engines btw, so no late night gaming

[raven wharf]

Idle with no fan is like 35-40c, under full load depending on my fan curve is 65-70c, between 300-300w, gets insanely loud if I do turn up to a more aggressive fan curve, I still play around with my curves and settings cause I don’t fully understand them

[raven wharf]

For sure lol

[hot bough]

How loud is it? Curious as my 3070 XC3 Ultra gets extremely loud even at like 50%rpm.

I have it set so the fans don't turn on unless the card hits like 70c though thanks to my case fans it thankfully rarely ever hits that temp.

[livid idol]

You can always take the shroud off and strap some 120mm fans to the heatsink

It'll be quieter and cooler that way

[olive bobcat]

How does waterblock cooling work for something like a 2080ti?

[livid idol]

The same way it does for a CPU

[olive bobcat]

So just a basic loop?

[livid idol]

You can strap a standard AIO to the GPU die and call it good

20 series has a universal bracket for that

[olive bobcat]

Actually, could you cool the cpu and gpu with the same mechanism? I’ve not dove into water cooling much outside of CPUs.

[livid idol]

Yes you can do an open loop that includes whatever parts you want

Even the memory and SSD

[olive bobcat]

Could you find me a guide? I’m interested in finding out more about that.

[livid idol]

https://youtu.be/5ZnDESqJdyU?si=M5RkSMiSDsS9_QhJ

[olive bobcat]

Can that be pinned?

[livid idol]

I could pin that in #old-cooling yeah

[olive bobcat]

Pls do

[raven wharf]

loud, mine is in a small case it really shouldnt be in, and in general its just a hot gpu and a noisy cooler

I also need to play around with my fans some more though

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

[raven wharf]

knock on wood not much coil whine if at all, most of the time it isnt too bad, only audible through my headphones around like 2000rpm

[hot bough]

Ahh mine are like instantly audible through headphones even at like 30%.

If you care about your ears or peace and quiet, never get a XC3 Ultra from EVGA.

[hot bough]

🤞

[raven wharf]

let me go get a brand new one from neweg-

[hot bough]

Was your experience similar?

[raven wharf]

I was joking about the fact that EVGA doesn't make gpus anymore idk what you mean lol

[hot bough]

Oh lmfao, I misread your message as: Let me go get another one from neweg-.

Just noticed that you said New not Another.

[hot bough]

I don't think so.

I miss their motherboards, I liked the appearance.

[raven wharf]

No lol, I've had 3 total gpus since i got a gaming pc when i was like 14 in 2019, an RX 580 in a prebuilt I used for 4 years, my 6700 XT in my first build i did last summer, then my merc 6950 i got in February that i got a good deal on

6700 XT is in that old prebuilt that my sister uses now

[hot bough]

I see that you are very team red.

Despite having a very green name.

[hot bough]

Solid upgrade path.

[raven wharf]

nuh uh

[raven wharf]

The 6950 XT was probably not very justified but I wanted it lmao

[hot bough]

Lmao, you know what I just realized.

RGB colors:

• Red: AMD
• Green: NVIDIA
• Blue: INTEL

Not really that funny but just occured to me.

[raven wharf]

if nvidia ever makes desktop cpus we can have full R - G - B builds

[hot bough]

Yes.

Or if only Intel started making Memory again.

Then we can have:

• Red CPU
• Green GPU
• Blue RAM

[raven wharf]

speaking of desktop cpus hows your 2nd 7950x3d

[hot bough]

Muiuuuuuuuch better

I don't have flipping reboot randomly every 1-24hrs

Or sometimes it was as bad as back to back

[raven wharf]

tbf x3d is a new thing and its on a chip with the 2 things

i forgot the name for the thing

where theres like 2 of them

[hot bough]

chiplets?

[raven wharf]

its why the 7800X3D is better at gaming then the 7900X3D

i cant remember

[hot bough]

True, though that can be overcome by using process lasso.

At the end of the day, the 7950x3D is a CPU that when it works, it's great however be prepared for issues cause it appears that getting a faulty 7950x3D isn't uncommon.

Lots and lots of forums where I saw people complaining about random reboots like I had.

[raven wharf]

If they can fix stability issues and stuff the 9950X3D is probably going to be insane

[hot bough]

Did they skip plans for 8000s?

But yes I agree.

Also I will be right back, time to take the chicken out of the oven.

[vital oriole]

No, it's because 8000 is already used for G apus

Like how and skipped 4000

[hot bough]

Ahh gotcha.

What's the ETA if any for 9000 series?

[raven wharf]

I think its Q3 or Q4 for this year.

I think they are supposed to offically announce it in June I think'

[vital oriole]

1.5 months

So yes June

[hot bough]

gotcha.

[vital oriole]

Bios updates have already been out for MSI, Gigabyte and Asus

[hot bough]

I see a bios with support for 8000 series was released indeed.

[vital oriole]

No, there's one for 9000

[raven wharf]

random car thought on the way back from work; powercolor, asrock, xfx, and sapphire and the big 4 aib brands for amd correct, if so how would you rank them?

[odd siren]

Sapphire, xfx, powercolour & aarock

And way down the bottom msi

[raven wharf]

i heard msi is going to be dropping their radeon department and just working on nvidia

their cards are ugly tbh so i dnc

[livid idol]

Good riddance

Cheap aluminum heatsinks be gone

[odd siren]

This gen they've been terrible

But there's no confirmation they're done with radeon yet

Only a "focus" onto nvidia cards

[hollow zephyr]

My friend got a 4070s and it has a 16 to 8 pin adapter

Am I supposed to plug both 8pins into to it or just one?

[odd siren]

Both

Won't turn on with only one iirc

[hollow zephyr]

Thanks

[fading glacier]

thats your opinion 👀 personally, i love my trio

[olive bobcat]

Wack

[toxic umbra]

Oh yes the CCD's!

[raven wharf]

Yes CCDs

Idk how I couldn’t remember lol

[toxic umbra]

haha it was on the tip of the tongue for me...i had to google it to remember exactly lol

[toxic umbra]

So have this crazy artifacting going on when pan around the flight deck..thoughts? I’m using TAA for anti aliasing, running 4k and a mix of high to ultra settings. Ryzen 7 5800X, EVGA RTX 3070 xc3, 64Gb ram. All stock settings save for PBO on the cpu. Used to be okay til i had to reformat my machine and had to reconfigure my graphics settings…thinking I may have a setting off

[raven wharf]

@odd siren

Ed was the sapphire employee

[livid idol]

Use DLAA instead of TAA

[odd siren]

Yea makes sense

[cerulean rover]

are you talking about the screen tearing? Or is there a different effect I'm missing?
In regards to screen tearing, you'll want v-sync or some sort variable refresh rate with sync like g-sync

[livid idol]

It's due to the way the temporal algorithm works with TAA, you get artifacting with fast motion

It's like AA with frame gen

[odd siren]

AAA when

We need it for all these AAA games

[livid idol]

Anti Aircraft Aliasing?

[odd siren]

Hell yeah

'Murica

*Team America music kicks in *

[livid idol]

Oh and I just realized, 4k on a 3070 is very ambitious for that game unless you're running DLSS performance mode

[cerulean rover]

all I can notice in that video still is the screen tearing xd

my eyes are broken

[livid idol]

That would be the cause of tearing if it's running low fps, that plus TAA not having enough frames to predict from

[odd siren]

Not enough A's to run this triple A

[random walrus]

Definitely looks like screen tearing to me

[livid idol]

That and it's a blurry mess

[toxic umbra]

Yeah that did it..was the screen tearing but..stupid me had vsync off 🙄 flipped it on a voila, much better. Thank you!

yeah i should have screen shot my graphics settings before i wiped the machine since they didnt restore after the windows wipe and reload…so im having to tweak all over again.

[zealous lion]

Considering sometimes my 3080 10G struggled at 3440x1440 I imagine a 3070 must be screaming internally at 3440x2160

[toxic umbra]

Actually it handles it satisfactorily..only get ~45fps but for now it’s acceptable and still run things high-ultra, but have to turn down object level detail a little…in the future I’ll be looking at an 3080 or 4080 to handle things easier. But yeah, the 3070 is pretty maxed out as far as utilization

RIP lol

[toxic umbra]

My monitor isnt the greatest for gaming, but for airliner flying its fine...just a Samsung 32" 4K 60Hz panel I got on a black friday sale 3 years ago...hopefully in the near future I can bump up from the 3070 to a 3080 or 4080 with a higher refresh rate display since at 4K the 3070 is taxed pretty hard, and giving me ~45fps...satisfactory, but would love to see closer to 60fps

[fading glacier]

yeah i feel bad for that poor 3070 T_T

4k on high/ultra on fsimulator

yikes

[livid idol]

You've maxed out the memory and it's swapping 1.4GB of textures between the VRAM and system RAM

Turning texture qualities down should help you a lot

[keen nacelle]

Why specifically 3080 or 4080?

Also not quite sure I'd recommend 4k with a 3080 anymore

Was hard to recommend it from the start imo

[toxic umbra]

I was just throwing that out there...not necessarily the best option, i know

[odd siren]

Nvidia I think is better with FS2020 tho tbf

[toxic umbra]

Yeah from what I’ve been seeing, I would agree..I’ve always had Nvidia personally..and all EVGA cards..I got the 3070 literally 5 days before their announcement that they are stopping their partnership with Nvidia..but had their GTX 750 and 1070 before and those were great cards for their time

[odd siren]

Evga was cool, sadly tho there aren't really a true substitute for them in the nvidia space

The closest equivalent imo is sapphire now, but they only do amd

[toxic umbra]

Yeah that’s a question I’ve been thinking quite a bit about…remembering wayyyy back, I did have a sapphire Radeon card when it was ATI…but moving forward with Nvidia, not sure…may just go straight founders edition in the future, maybe ASUS…tough one

[odd siren]

I often recommend founders for nvidia now, not because I don't appreciate the beauty of choice having other brands involved, but simply because it's just long and far the best build card you can get at msrp nowadays

Asus I wouldn't really call as amazing of a brand as it used to be

They still have decent options, but no point paying for anything with a strix or matrix label on it anymore

Asus to me these days is very much on the same level as MSI

And MSI I think are good, but not the best

Best to me definitely goes to sapphire

They don't make the most insane cards

But when you buy them, you get that like, evga style touch

Like them with their great warranty service like a red carpet, sapphire pays extreme attention to card design so it's just excellent overall

You get divots in the card made for easy access to the pcie slot to take it out of the motherboard

Replaceable fans that come straight out without violating your warranty

An absolutely solid gpu support bracket and actually works and isn't some flimsy metal that bends

You get fan headers, argb headers to sync everything to your motherboard (included cables too)

They put PTM on EVERYTHING (like the best paste you can buy)

They come with hybrid vbios switches so you don't need to open up the pc to choose what vbios you want to use (you know, 'quiet' or 'oc' etc)

I could ramble on for a while but there are a lot of things that make owning a sapphire card feel like, a genuine upgrade from anything else, if that makes sense

Which is how I think they're probably the next closest thing to EVGA

[toxic umbra]

Actually what you wrote was really good and good for thought..I think if sapphire did do Nvidia hands down I would go straight there, but since my gaming is 99.9% always MSFS, I want to stick Nvidia..plus I mean the FE cards are beautiful in my opinion, and would aesthetically fit my current setup. I do have an ASUS Tuf x570 plus WiFi mobo and an ASUS ROG Thor 850w PSU, but that’s the extent of my ASUS components..pretty darn solid so far

[odd siren]

My personal experience with my X570 Prime wasn't great tbh

[toxic umbra]

Then I have a crap ton of Corsair - H150i elite capellix XT 360mm AIO with the LCD upgrade kit, Corsair 4000X RGB case, K100 keyboard, M65 pro mouse…but then GSkill 2x32gb trident z neo ram

[odd siren]

But AM4 is just like that as a whole, you'll land a good or bad board no matter the brand as far as behaviour goes

[toxic umbra]

My next step is to finally get rid of my 1TB WD Blue sata SSD for an NvMe lol

Yeah I built this iteration of my flight sim machine starting in 2021 based on the R7 5800X…solid CPU but should have waited a few months and went with the X3D version…but the standard 5800X does quite well

[odd siren]

I think if I could rank Nvidia oems

FE (CM/PNY) are great but restrictive

MSI are worth the premium this gen for suprim but nothing else

iGame would've been up there but they buggered it with the Neptune's shipping with pointless vbios limits

PNY is ok

Zotac has gotten better

Gigabyte is to this day still disappointing me

I would probably put asus below igame but above pny

If not equal to igame for the msrp TUF skus

Oh galax

[toxic umbra]

Ha yeah last gigabyte product I had was the Z97 gaming 7 mobo paired with an i7 4790K lol now that was a workhorse for its time and lasted me a good 10 years

[odd siren]

Galax I would probably put top 3

HoF is no joke

And their normal skus are solid

[odd siren]

Gigabyte boards are solid

They let us down with early lga1700 but they brought it back

One thing gigabyte can do is a good motherboard

But most of the other stuff it's a letdown imo

[toxic umbra]

Yeah what I was spec-ing this last refresh it was between the ASUS board and an Aorus X570…what tipped the scale was Micro Centers Bundle deal they had. lol

[odd siren]

The Aorus b550's were probably some of the best am4 boards made

Aero, vision also join that crop

Evga had the kp but it was so late in the cycle I think it's practically a unicorn

[toxic umbra]

Yeah I considered that as well...and honestly, I would have done just fine on a B550...i dont run the need for those extra PCIe 4 lanes

[odd siren]

Their daisy chain ttop layout just turned out to be so strong

Ye

[toxic umbra]

Oh man, Kingpin, how I would have loved to have had some of that product line

[odd siren]

Sadly the last crop of kingpin never saw a full circle turnout for their cpu support

Can't do much when the whole bios team vacated

So you'll find a lot of z690 KP out there that sell cheap but aren't all great due to the loss of firmware support

[toxic umbra]

Yeah its sad...shout out to that BIOS team as well...the unsung heros in my book

ha sort of like jayztwocents EVGA "not" 4090

[odd siren]

Ironically that evga card is more complete than the current state of evga motherboards

KP definitely was something special

Now all we have is asus matrix

Which is a strix on liquid metal and a binning guarantee

Not the slightest bit worth the price it goes for

Galax did a far better job with the HoF

Not that the strix board design wasn't already good, but you could just...buy a strix...

And then suprim exists and it's just a better strix

With binning

Matrix is the KP replacement but it's not really worth the money spent at all imo

[toxic umbra]

Yeah unfortunately alot of these companies are more into the flashy marketing and "surface level" stuff to draw sales over actual true quality and performance standards...those of us that have been doing this a while arent fooled by it, but those just getting into PC building? IT can be disheartening and confusing

[odd siren]

Hence me coming back to why I suggest FE often

Just clarifying, new FE, not old FE btw

Old FE was...interesting lol

[toxic umbra]

Exaclty, in the past I wouldnt event consider FE since EVGA was my one stop shop for GPU's...but thats all changed unfortunately

[odd siren]

I reckon you should try sapphire at least once

If even just returning it a week later, I think you'll see a bit what I mean, even if it's not the ideal pick for the game, it'd still run well

Even last gen used sapphire, they're all really solid honestly

[toxic umbra]

Hey I never say no...I always try things at least once and give it a good, honest go...be worth seeing how their cards perform...after all, I am only basically doign flight sim, and it could very well perfom well with that title

[odd siren]

Ye

FS2020 is an nvidia bias title but even still, you can save a few dollars flipping over to team red later when you feel ready, and that gives you the chance to try like a sapphire pulse

As far as $ per frames go you'd still be doing really well

It'd definitely be comparable

I wouldn't normally say things like this but you seem to like the evga experience so

[toxic umbra]

Like I was saying, I had the ATI Radeon X800 Pro by Sapphire back in the day when I what Microsoft Flight Sim 2004, Century of Flight lol Did the job and that was when it was ATI!

[odd siren]

Yeah it boggles my mind that both powercolour and sapphire have similar logos after all these years

Just like evga

[toxic umbra]

Ha you nailed it...EVGA or bust!

[odd siren]

Xfx is probably a close second for me on the AMD side. You lose all the quality of life features of sapphire, but instead you get the brutal no compromises performance of that radeon card

[toxic umbra]

Yeah I noticed those have stayed the same lol As long as the quality is there, they can keep the logo forever lol

[odd siren]

100%

I'm a practical man, I like function over form

And a good buy even with some extra on flair is totally worth every cent to me

[toxic umbra]

Same here, performance first, then if it fits the aesthetics, thats icing on the cake

[odd siren]

But yeah, the best way to experience it is first hand

[toxic umbra]

Nothing crazy, but thats the build as it stand now...nothing crazy, but just works....and reliably

[odd siren]

Very tidy

If you were looking to upgrade soon, I would be swapping to the 5000D front panel

Afaik corsair send them for free

[toxic umbra]

Funny you say that because I was a bit miffed I couldnt put the 360 rad up top

[odd siren]

Really?

On 5000x?

H150i?

[toxic umbra]

I was thinking of swapping the entire case lol

Oh no its the 4000X...I should have gone with the 5000X

[odd siren]

Ah

Ok that makes sense

Lol

Probably the best case rn for atx would be XT pro

[toxic umbra]

but yes, H150i...my second one actually...I had the non XT version which the pump died after 11 months...RMA'd it and they upgraded me to the XT version lol

[odd siren]

Or you could go higher to montech sky two

[odd siren]

Those aios used to be so great

I wouldn't consider one in future though

[toxic umbra]

I've been eyeing the montechs...been folowing them foor a while now and Im impressed with what I see

[odd siren]

Corsair's really fallen off in the aio department

Ye, sky two and king95 are both excellent

They come with built in fan controllers and velcro straps

Excellent kit

[toxic umbra]

Yeah I've noticed lol I might be ambitious and do a hard line custom loop one of these times

[odd siren]

Hard line is a lot of work

[toxic umbra]

but water blocks and crap are pricey...and now with the EK crap going on...yeah

[odd siren]

Yeah EK hasn't been good for a while

Most people recommend nowadays are like

Heatkiller

Optimus

Alphacool

Corsair does make decent watercooling kit

[toxic umbra]

Yeah and Im not impressed with Corsair's water cooling products

haha

[odd siren]

Well then

It's weird, their stuff is pricey but it's still kinda solid

[toxic umbra]

haha I mean they have good stuff...and I knwo it works well...like I said, im not opposed to trying it 🙂

[odd siren]

Put it in a tier similar to like bitspower

Or expensive version of bykski

/barrow

I forgot, watercool is good for loop gear too

[toxic umbra]

Gotcha or just go submerged system

[odd siren]

Lol

I haven't seen one of those in years

I mean if you're ambitious to watercool, it's a lot of work but it does look great when done

[toxic umbra]

haha yeah i remember seeing videos of those....something about it is just odd, but intriguing

[odd siren]

I would suggest sleeve zmt over hard loop tho

[toxic umbra]

Yeah and I love challenges like that..I do IT for a living and just love any and everythin hardware

[odd siren]

Have a look at these guys

https://www.cable-sleeving.com/

[toxic umbra]

hmmmm thats a thought...i love the look of hard loop, but if something goes wrong, soft tube is forgiving iif I have to pull components

[odd siren]

They make the same braiding stuff as you see on like custom cables

[odd siren]

But you can get them for tubes

So you can run sleeved soft tubing

But it's also zmt, so you don't need to use premix or clean often

Soft tubing also makes diagnosis not a pain to deal with

Tho sleeving the tubes takes a little practice

[odd siren]

I count my blessings 100x over every time something goes wrong in my looped systems since they're zmt

[toxic umbra]

Hmmm yeah i'll remember that then...because maintanence is a big deal when it comes to custom loops

aight, gtg...good talkin!

[odd siren]

Couple examples from google

[odd siren]

Ah no worries

Omg @dusty herald

They need better pcie cable clips but other than that...

👀

[dusty herald]

Pff it’s aight I guess. (It’s nice just don’t like the tubing tbh)

[toxic umbra]

Chocolate milk for coolant? lol

[vital oriole]

Not clear tubes

[raven wharf]

oh hell no

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-launches-the-very-first-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-card-with-only-two-fans

[random walrus]

Tbh looks like if the card was just a tiny bit longer it could fit 3 fans

Or at least like 2 larger sized fans

[raven wharf]

@keen nacelle @odd siren thoughts on this

i imagine they'd prob be the cheapest xt/xtx options

[odd siren]

Might be msi's stock allocation rerouted to asus

Triple slot

So it may actually be ok-ish

I'm expecting about reference levels of cooling and performance

With a meh vbios to boot

It'll still have the same electrical configuration as almost every other xtx card

Or rather, Asus' version of that, which is more or less the same

[raven wharf]

asus already has the tuf models for radeon right

[odd siren]

Yes

No strix tho iirc

Not that xtx actually needs strix anyway

[raven wharf]

i hate the strix cards with a passion ngl

[odd siren]

Tuf model is good, it's one of the pcbs that are outlandishly huge for no reason and uses like, 60% of it for an asus version of reference spec

[raven wharf]

EVERY single high end build i see on like instagram or yt shorts

its a 13900k or 14900k with a strix 4090

[odd siren]

They used to be a good idea

[raven wharf]

and any yt video that uses a high end gpu

is prob a strix 80 or 90

like other aibs exist

[odd siren]

Anyway Dual seems scary

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-dunn-jet-engine-gif-5019423

[odd siren]

But at a closer glance it may actually be ok

Just not great

Xtx reference is pretty meh but it's a thin form factor to fit in smaller cases

And you have 2.5 slot xfx merc310

So you know, it's not impossible that it could work ok

Just idk why they insisted on 2 fans here

They would've obviously known that pushing forward with a dual fan card would turn off a lot of people

Even if it's functionally sound

Those aren't big fans like their $50 noctua shroud they resell for $400 over msrp

[raven wharf]

is 2.5 slot technically thin

with how big some of the 40 series is

[keen nacelle]

Yeah my guess is passable but less than ideal

Just like you said pretty much

[odd siren]

By xtx standards not really

It's on the thinner side

But not truly thin

[odd siren]

Seeing as it's likely gonna ship with a lower tier vbios it'll probably be like

A 400W card

430W card

Nominal tdp would be more like 300W reported

309?

With the 400+ spikes

[raven wharf]

also thats what I paid for my 6700 XT last year which is crazy, glad 6800 is doing well for itself now#tech-deals message

i wanted to go for it last year for the extra vram but it was just out of budget at the time

[lofty crane]

What can I possibly do to improve my current graphics card? (3060)

[random walrus]

Sell it and buy a new one?

[keen nacelle]

^

Or overclock

[random walrus]

doubt OC would do much on a 3060 though

5% maybe?

[hot bough]

yeah for OC to really shine you'd need to do CPU, GPU, and RAM.

[keen nacelle]

Cpu not so much

Gpu could be 5-10%

Ram it really depends on cpu, what the XMP is, and what die it is

[hot bough]

fair.

[odd siren]

This is teaching me a lot.
https://youtu.be/yP3dQ-fF-9U?si=u6zNwydfKKk9u03w

Three big takeaways for a pretty significant TL;DR: 1st is never use performance mode it's worse looking and worse performing than DX12 pro. 2nd is a frame cap (pretty obvious)*, 3rd is the first few games do caching so the games will run horribly no matter which brand you buy into

Spoiler alert: ||"Nvidia is better for pro gaming" is total bs. AMD destroys here.||

[vital oriole]

I guess it also has to do with the mind share people have with nvidia

[odd siren]

It's all mind share, and people working to common choices

[vital oriole]

ye

[odd siren]

But I learned something I definitely didn't know is never recommend performance mode

Performance mode is ass for anything that isn't like a cheap igpu or steam deck

The 1% lows drop to nothing even on some of the best graphics cards

Comparatively to dx12 pro your 1% lows can triple of even quadruple in performance which is an enormous difference

[vital oriole]

yikes

So much for perf mode

[odd siren]

I mean this would strongly sum it up

And for anyone not watching the video, this happens all the same on Nvidia and spoiler alert: ||AMD is absolutely faster here lol||

[vital oriole]

wtf

BELOW 30?

that's insane

[odd siren]

Yeah

Compared to 100 or 100+?? Yes it's a huge difference

[lilac cave]

Yessiiir! 7600 baby!

https://tenor.com/view/lugi-dab-gif-27005778

[lofty crane]

okay once I sold it, do I go for a 40 series or stay with the 30 series?

[random walrus]

40 series isn't great value unless you go for like a 4070ti or higher I think

Used 30 series might be good

AMD is probably a better bet

[lofty crane]

okay

I am considering to save up for founders editon 3090

but I know that will bottleneck the crap out of my cpu

[heady turtle]

No point you won't need the vram other than that it's a 3080ti

[raven wharf]

if your 3060 isnt giving you problems right now, continue to save to see how rdna 4 and rtx 5000 is

chances are it will drop current gen prices if thats something youd be interested in

[raven wharf]

https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-launches-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-phoenix-nirvana-custom-graphics-card

i want

[solid glacier]

32 GB of ram, 500 gb SSD and 4 terabyte hard drive ryzen 7 2700x Corsair HX 750 WATT power supply windows 10 p 5 fans RGB motherboard B450M DS3H CF 2060 super 10gb this is my friends setup but he wants to mod on fallout 4 like heavily modded

But the pc is like 5-6 years old

Should he just buy a pc? Instead of upgrading his

[random walrus]

With a bios update a b450 should support 5000 series ryzen

750w psu is enough for a gpu upgrade

Probably best to wait for next gen gpus to release

2060s seems like it would be enough for FO4 but I've never played it nor modded it

[livid idol]

I run about 500 mods at any given time. Upgrade the CPU to a 5600 (or better) and the GPU to a 3060 and he'll be golden.
Modern graphics mods can make the vram hurt so the 12GB is good, and the game does favor Nvidia. A 6700/6750 XT would still be good here if it's cheaper.

[solid glacier]

Could you send me a link? For that cpu

[random walrus]

yes pleeeease go 6700xt over 3060

unless you can find a really good 3060 deal I guess. But you're looking at over 30% better raster with a 6700xt

[random walrus]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g94BD3/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-37-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000065box

Not a big difference but x is cheaper than non x right now

[vital oriole]

no cooler thou

but a $15 cooler can cool it

[random walrus]

oh true

wait

no, 5600x comes with wraith stealth

5600 is 140 rn anyways so X at 120 is def the play

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4RrRsY/xfx-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-speedster-qick-319-core-video-card-rx-675xyjfdp

[raven wharf]

@keen nacelle @odd siren did you guys see/hear abt this

for rn i think its china exclusive

[livid idol]

The 3060 gets better fps in fallout 4 than the 6700 xt. Like I said, it favors Nvidia.

1080p ultra with "next gen" update
6700 XT - 130 to 150 fps
3060 - 150 to 180 fps (better lows too)

[random walrus]

that's really unfortunate

[livid idol]

It's a 9 year old game. No one was optimizing for AMD at that time.

[random walrus]

I guess that makes sense yeah

[vital oriole]

the time nvidia dominated

[stoic sinew]

anyone have any advice i think my gpu is dying

started artifacting while playing tarkov then crashing

so now im tying to buy a new one but having compatibility isssues with my motherboard

[livid idol]

You can try DDU first to see if it's a driver issue

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[livid idol]

You don't need to match PCIe generations. It's 100% backwards and forwards compatible. You can use a 4090 on a PCIe 1.1 system.

[raven wharf]

what would be the downsides of doing that? ive never properly learned PCIe

[vital oriole]

Bandwidth

If there's not enough bandwidth

Performance is limited

[raven wharf]

wdym by bandwidth

like what is being transported that it benefits to have a higher bandwidth

[vital oriole]

Well data

It can be anything the gpu needs or requests

[livid idol]

Textures, calculations passed between cpu and gpu, physics data, etc

[vital oriole]

^

The more powerful the gpu is

The more bandwidth it needs to transfer data at its full potential

[raven wharf]

so basically the better the bandwidth the better a gpu does as a gpu

[vital oriole]

Basically yeah

[raven wharf]

fair enough lol

[vital oriole]

There's more to it but a gpu's throughput is basically how fast it is

[raven wharf]

I believe I remember throughput being a term I heard a few months ago yeah

[livid idol]

To a point. As long as there's enough bandwidth, having extra won't do anything for you.

[raven wharf]

yeah for sure, makes sense

[livid idol]

And of course the bandwidth required varies by game, even by level in game

[solid glacier]

Gg I gatta order my parts still

There’s this laptop I got

Gaming one

I’m trying to fix it for my buddy but it won’t work without being hardwired lol

[livid idol]

The only thing a 4060 is good for

[lilac cave]

Yep

[sterile parcel]

https://youtu.be/0vILxk0_080?si=wGpfzPxH6qZ_Az7Y

@wanton edge

[wanton edge]

Seen that

That gpu won't die

20 mins ago

[runic rampart]

even the rx580 is enough for me

i just need a gpu

i have an intel gma 4500 hd

this computer has been serving me for the past 5 years

i dont have any complaints

[rigid oxide]

the gpu has horrible stuttering in all the games tho in the vid

same style of vid will be made on the 7600 and 7600xt in half a decade

[vital oriole]

5 years is a long time

7600xt will age better yes but

games keep getting more demanding

so it will effectively end up in the same situation as 7600, given they're at the same perf

i don't see stuttering in every of the games shown in the vid tho

except the ones with below 30 fps 0.1% lows

which is expected on 2023 and later games with a then-midrange gpu from 2016

an almost 10 years old gpu

[random walrus]

budget gpu will be outdated in 5 years
yep, checks out.

[vital oriole]

^

If you're like an rx 580 user that doesn't wanna change yet

It can probably extend past 5 years lmao

[solid glacier]

so i redownloaded windows on my friends gaming laptop using a usb windows install and now nothing fits the screen and is blurry...lol? any one know why

[livid idol]

Did you install graphics drivers? Both integrated and dedicated, as applicable?

[solid glacier]

Nah I only did windows rn everything looks so wrong lol, maybe bc I did just a windows 10 and not a windows 10 pro? Or home? Idek

[livid idol]

It's the drivers then

The basic drivers are usually limited to like 800x600 res

Which makes everything look stretched and distorted or blurred

[solid glacier]

oo ok so ill just download the gpu drivers?

[solid glacier]

it says 1920-1080p on display but next to the refresh rate it says 1.000hz

[livid idol]

Yep, both integrated and dedicated graphics if the laptop has it

You'll want chipset drivers and wifi/bluetooth while you're at it

[solid glacier]

yea i gatta download the wifi drivers on a usb bc this laptop wont work unless i plug into ethernet into it

[livid idol]

Is it an Intel/Nvidia system?

Nvidia https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/552.44/552.44-notebook-win10-win11-64bit-international-dch-whql.exe
Intel 11th-13th gen https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/785597/intel-arc-iris-xe-graphics-windows.html
Intel 7th-10th gen https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/776137/intel-7th-10th-gen-processor-graphics-windows.html

[solid glacier]

It’s a oldish laptop it’s the asus laptop gaming a15

[livid idol]

That appears to be an AMD/Nvidia system

Ryzen 4000, not too old

[solid glacier]

Oh

[livid idol]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/processors/ryzen/ryzen-4000-series/amd-ryzen-7-4800h.html

[solid glacier]

This has a 1660

Gpu

[livid idol]

Yeah, same nvidia driver as the newer ones

1660 model seems to have a 4600H CPU

[solid glacier]

Oh Ight

It has AMD ryzen 7 4800H

[livid idol]

Either way, same driver

[solid glacier]

1660 TI

So download those things you sent

Anyway or

[solid glacier]

?

[livid idol]

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/552.44/552.44-notebook-win10-win11-64bit-international-dch-whql.exe
https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/processors/ryzen/ryzen-4000-series/amd-ryzen-7-4800h.html

[solid glacier]

Ight ill download it after it does windows 11 upgrade

Taking forever

Welp laptop might of broke

Keybaord is on but screen is black

[solid glacier]

Yea idk it won’t look good @livid idol

Still is blurry and doesn’t fit the screen

[livid idol]

Did you correct the resolution and refresh settings in Windows after you installed the drivers?

[solid glacier]

havent installed them yet doing it now

i think i shouldnt of done a windwos install from a usb to a laptop

bc befiore i did that everything worked fine

[solid glacier]

Hey I’m on windows 11

Now do I download that or

Get a windows 1-

11 driver

[livid idol]

They're the same drivers

[solid glacier]

Windows 11 fixed the display issue now eveyrhting is aligned correctly

But still can’t figure out the WiFi issue

[livid idol]

You need the WiFi driver

[vital oriole]

Maybe, there's that off chance of the wifi antenna being loose

If you haven't installed wifi driver already

[solid glacier]

Oh yea I haven’t installed the WiFi driver

Idk the model of this laptop I don’t wanna install the wrong one

[vital oriole]

You can flip it over and look at its label

[solid glacier]

About they

[vital oriole]

Or anywhere that has a label

[livid idol]

WiFi https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/GamingNB/Image/Driver/Networking/30533/WirelessLan_ROG_Realtek_B_V2024.0.10.135_30533.exe?model=FA506IH
Bluetooth https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/GamingNB/Image/Driver/Bluetooth/30534/Bluetooth_ROG_Realtek_B_V1.9.1041.3002_30534.exe?model=FA506IH

It won't let you install the wrong one

It'll just fail out of the installer

[vital oriole]

A15? That's the tuf

I've just read that lol

But those drivers should work, if not yeah like fal said

Sometimes they use mediatek wifi, especially common on amd powered laptops

[livid idol]

Oh and here's the chipset https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/laptop-chipsets/amd-ryzen-and-athlon-mobile-chipset.html

[vital oriole]

Talking about that

I have never bothered to install chipset drivers

Maybe I should

[livid idol]

They're only required for certain functions, but on laptops they help with battery life

[vital oriole]

Maybe that's why the batt life on my lappy isn't exactly as tested

[livid idol]

And sometimes, like AM5, they include critical fixes like the scheduler fix on dual CCD

[solid glacier]

downloaded

lets see if it worked

Welp

Didn’t work lol

Still says I need Ethernet

I don’t even see internet popping up as a option

[vital oriole]

You should restart after installing drivers

[solid glacier]

i did lol

it says no internet access

no connections avaivable

[vital oriole]

Check device manager

[solid glacier]

not even showing up

on network connections

[vital oriole]

That's why I want you to go to device manager

win+x

Oof

Anything with an asterisk at all?

[solid glacier]

btw this laptop doesnt have any like internet antenas rhingys

idk if thats why

[solid glacier]

atserisk?

[vital oriole]

Well

A yellow warning triangle

[solid glacier]

oh nope i dont see that anywhere

[vital oriole]

Hm

It went completely missing

Any unknown devices?

[solid glacier]

nope

[vital oriole]

Yeah, it probably went missing

[solid glacier]

i think its maybe bc i dont got internet antennas?

[vital oriole]

The antennas are built into the laptop

[solid glacier]

oh

then yea idek

[vital oriole]

They probably came loose from the wifi card

[solid glacier]

how do i fix that lol

taking back of the laptop off

[vital oriole]

They're small black and white cables

https://youtu.be/8tzWKIt1v1E?si=NLylFd0WUulNmKS6

[solid glacier]

ight so i do take the back off

can i just get a wifi usb or something? i dont wanna mess that up^

[vital oriole]

You can get that as well

Some of em can even work nicely

Just gotta pay up

[solid glacier]

link?

[keen nacelle]

didnt i suggest that to you in dms lol

[solid glacier]

should i try reoconnecting the cables or nah

[vital oriole]

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Nano-Archer-TX20U-Transceiver/dp/B0CX7K326J

32 bucks for one of these bad boys

[keen nacelle]

one with an antennae might be better, idk

[vital oriole]

Yeah, defo

But not exactly compact

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Archer-TX20U-Plus-Wireless/dp/B0B5YPK9L1

This one you hook it up to usb port and place it on the desk

[solid glacier]

All these screws or just the middle

[vital oriole]

All of em

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/GamingNB/Image/Driver/Networking/30533/WirelessLan_ROG_Realtek_B_V2024.0.10.135_30533.exe?model=FA506IU

Also maybe try this first lol

Before taking it apart

[solid glacier]

Uhhh

I don’t even see it

[solid glacier]

Idk

I’m so@conrided

Confused

[vital oriole]

Gimme a sec

[vital oriole]

It's hidden under that ssd

Gotta unscrew and take the ssd off

[solid glacier]

It’s under the blue thing aswell

[odd siren]

Ooo beefy laptop

Small sadge battery tho

[solid glacier]

got it

[vital oriole]

FA506 ye

The gen before 507

[thorn crater]

Test test test

[solid glacier]

Welp now it won’t connect to wifi again lol

[solid glacier]

34$ for that lol..?

[vital oriole]

Yeah

I don't really wanna recc anything less since it'll be crappy

[solid glacier]

already did this

[earnest sparrow]

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT vs the XFX Radeon RX 7900GRE . what's better in the under $600 price range?

[livid idol]

GRE 100%

[earnest sparrow]

ok!

[livid idol]

You can overclock the memory a little bit and it becomes almost as good as the 7900 XT

[earnest sparrow]

ok, I cant get the 7900 xt cuz its kinda $700 but thx

what about the Nvidia Geforce RTX 4070 SUPER?

[livid idol]

At stocks speeds they're overall quite similar

But the GRE has a lot more overclock potential

[earnest sparrow]

ok ty

[vital oriole]

Also don't get the xfx

There's sapphire pulse for a few bucks more

XFX is good but Sapphire is better

[keen nacelle]

And more vram

$570 4070 super isn't bad, but personally I'd rather 7900 gre
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WHKscf/pny-verto-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-vcg4070s12dfxpb1-o

[vital oriole]

You can oc vram

And it'll be breathing right next to 7900xt's neck

As in the context of GRE

[earnest sparrow]

and another thing... does it really matter which storage card you get since all of them just give storage? like a 1tb card is up for $70 while there is another 2tb storage card for $64?

and same with ram.

[odd siren]

Where are you seeing 2tb for $64

[earnest sparrow]

Seagate Barracuda Compute?

it says 2tb for $64

it does look dif... form the other cards

[odd siren]

That sounds like a hard drive not an M.2

[earnest sparrow]

ok, but is a samsung 970 evo good?

[odd siren]

There's a reason those are cheaper, they're slower to the point it makes a huge difference

How about this

Give me a budget, and a pc goal you intend to use it for

I'll make a list in 5 minutes

[earnest sparrow]

here is what I have so far on my pc build that I am trying to make https://pcpartpicker.com/list/#compatibility_notes

[odd siren]

That is not the share link lol

Just takes me to a blank page

[earnest sparrow]

um

[odd siren]

Top of the page

Above a green or red box

There is a generated link

[earnest sparrow]

wait it workes for me but k

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dG8TcH

still making it

[odd siren]

There we go

Let's have a look

What's your budget here @earnest sparrow

And your pc use case

[earnest sparrow]

under 1500

[earnest sparrow]

?

[odd siren]

Are you gaming, working, what are you doing

[earnest sparrow]

gaming and working

[odd siren]

What kind of working

[earnest sparrow]

like school

[odd siren]

School ok

Do you do any multimedia classes

[earnest sparrow]

not yet

[odd siren]

Are they teaching you about like adobe and blender

[earnest sparrow]

no

[odd siren]

Do you want to get into any of that stuff

Like 3d animation

[earnest sparrow]

yes

[odd siren]

Ok

That changes my suggestion

[earnest sparrow]

I am not sure but maybe

[odd siren]

Ok, 1500, monitor and keyboard mouse included in that?

[earnest sparrow]

no

[odd siren]

Wifi yes or no

[earnest sparrow]

what you mean?

i think no?

[odd siren]

Do you need wifi

[earnest sparrow]

no

[odd siren]

Ok so ethernet cable is available

[earnest sparrow]

yes

[odd siren]

Last questions

White or black

[earnest sparrow]

black

[odd siren]

And do you like rgb

[earnest sparrow]

sure

but mainly on performance

[odd siren]

Ok so you don't mind if it's there or not

That makes it easy

Brb

[earnest sparrow]

yes, but is it possible to apply rgb later on?

[odd siren]

I can make it so yes

[earnest sparrow]

ok

lets just say yes to rgb

but not really over the top

[odd siren]

Alr

Smart rgb, I like it

@earnest sparrow $8 over too much?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NFRs4M

[earnest sparrow]

nah

its good

[odd siren]

That's about as good as it gets then

Went through about 5 different iterations, next best is about $1400 with a 4070 super and 2tb storage instead

[earnest sparrow]

wait isnt a 7900 gre better than a 4070?

idk

[odd siren]

7900xt is much faster than a 4070 and super yes

[earnest sparrow]

ok

[odd siren]

I'll paste it anyway for your curiosity, and a 2nd option
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d6G3pB

Sama btw, the case maker, they're a Lian Li oem

The case is a Lian Li 205M mesh, but sold by the original maker

[earnest sparrow]

ty

[odd siren]

If you have any questions lmk

[earnest sparrow]

k

alr another thing, I was watching a few vids explaining pcs and the guy had a website called pcbuilds.gg, and here's a build I found. https://pcbuilds.gg/build/1500-content-creation-pc i think the main dif was the cpu with his being the i5 14500?

@odd siren

[odd siren]

Ok I had to do some quick math on that one@earnest sparrow

Objectively, not a bad spec, the prices are clearly displayed as well

The monitor is terrible tho

I'm guessing a build fee gets put on separately, and if you were after a pc, this doesn't seem too bad, but two things

#1 I can't vouch for this site

It seems honest, but I can't say more than that

#2 it's still objectively worse than the list I helped you with

14500 is slower overall, and 64gb ram is very unnecessary

2024 GF1 is an ok choice but a bit out of touch

The ssd's are more expensive than the 2tb version alone

Motherboard is kinda rubbish

Everything else is fine

And price wise it's not bad

It's just not as good as the other list

7800x3d hoses a 14500

[keen nacelle]

Few questions

M482 any better of an ssd?

Few $ more

[odd siren]

I still don't have a true beat on m482 yet

I went with safe options

Dram gen 4

[keen nacelle]

M482 is dramless but iirc rated for 6600

And $5 more gets adata ii 850, imo worth it

Or $5 less for msi 850 agl

I'd take a good atx 3.0 over a great atx 2.0 atp

[odd siren]

??

I wouldn't

Focus gx is the golden child

[odd siren]

Dramless will always rank worse than dram

[keen nacelle]

Hm alright

[odd siren]

No cache redundancy for storage integrity

If I dial it back it's to a $61 or $65 ssd like mp44l

[keen nacelle]

Luke was saying with future usability in mind atx 3.0 would be very useful

Or it was aris

One of the two

[odd siren]

I don't listen to luke anymore

I think for either in this scenario that statement doesn't mean much anyway

I can change it to a850gl, but I wouldn't do core reactor ii

It's not that much better

@earnest sparrow
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YWV3pB
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fnWGTY

Slight change

[keen nacelle]

Seconded

7900xts extra vram will be very useful down the line too I'd imagine

[earnest sparrow]

k

[earnest sparrow]

ok so why does no one include fans in a build since I was watching a vid on another build and he didn't include the fans? so are the fans usually always installed in a case?

[odd siren]

In this case they are preinstalled

3 of them

Afaik

[earnest sparrow]

in the case u used ya.

and does a mroe expensive motherboard matter like there are $100 and $300 boards?

[odd siren]

Past a certain point no

The board I've suggested is high end actually

Asrock likes to dish them out cheap but this board is a good one

[earnest sparrow]

oh ok, I was just watching another vid and this guy suggested this, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WFP6t7 . but I think your build is better

this includes the operating system

[odd siren]

BM3

That might die that rig

[odd siren]

Windows doesn't need to be paid for

Come back when it's built and I'll explain what I mean

[earnest sparrow]

k

[odd siren]

But yes that build is at best 20% worse, at worst 35% worse

[earnest sparrow]

sorry that I keep bugging you but do you know any cheep cases like the MUSETEX ATX PC Case, 3 x 120mm Fans Pre-Installed since I am looking for a fan pre installed case that hopefully has glass on the front like this one does?

[odd siren]

Can you send a picture

It can't be too expensive otherwise the 7900XT won't fit

I can try tho

[earnest sparrow]

like that

the best I found was $104

[odd siren]

I think the cheapest option for something like that is 90

So $27 more if that's ok

It should be montech sky two

[earnest sparrow]

ok

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrYJ4M
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3ZzyPF

It's actually $25 more

Sky two is the best dual glass option rn tho

Dual chamber you're just going to pay a lot more for

Sky two comes with 4 fans and a solid fan controller iirc

So value wise it's comparable to the sama case, but with accessories factored in

[keen nacelle]

sky two my beloved

[rustic pulsar]

Does this sound like the fan hitting something or is it more coil whine? It happens when the GPU fans are at high rpm

Nothing at low rpm

[odd siren]

Is it specifically with fans high

Or is it when both gpu is loaded and fans are high

Cos that could both be coil whine and fan clicking

[rustic pulsar]

Just when fans are hig

Actually let me go test

[odd siren]

Whichever it is it'll be one or the other

Sometimes pumps can also click like that in aios

[rustic pulsar]

it also happens under no load at like 75% rpm

[odd siren]

Ok that 2nd one is def something in the fan

[rustic pulsar]

in?

so take gpu out and blow compressor air

[odd siren]

In, around, caught

No

Don't do that without jamming the fan

Investigate first

[rustic pulsar]

yeah while holding the fan

ok i will try that once I get back to college and have my air blower

[odd siren]

Ok

[rustic pulsar]

hopefully it works

[odd siren]

If you find nothing it might be a dying motor

Which means new fan time

Google will be your friend for tutorials on that one

Need lunch

[livid idol]

Lucky those are cheap on ali

[odd siren]

[rustic pulsar]

Cool beans

Apple sauce

[raven wharf]

why would this curve barely be kicking on at like 75c

not even 1k rpm

[livid idol]

It's probably favoring quiet over cold

That's how most default curves go

[vital oriole]

You also enabled zero rpm

[raven wharf]

every curve ive tried to do myself makes it unbearably loud

[livid idol]

I personally don't let my GPU fans go over 80%

[vital oriole]

Yeah maybe you should consider capping the max speed

So that you can have an aggressive curve that's not screaming

[raven wharf]

ive never payed attention to that setting whoops

xfx bois are loud

i'll probably put it in a bigger case late this year, I want to put money into my car this summer though

yeah that was a good choice it is much easier to set a curve now with adjustments to the max speed and 0 rpm

ill have to play around with it more, ty @livid idol @vital oriole

[solid glacier]

i wanna build a pc but im thinking about just ordering one from cyberpower and using their afirm for i can do monthly payments but they want 3500$ andnot sure if the specs are worth that

kekw

3800$

for this

[odd siren]

That's...

Not really worth the 3500

Allocate 1600-1750 for the card, and it starts to not make sense really quick

[solid glacier]

xD well i was gonna build my own pc but i kinda wanna do monthly payments

[random walrus]

Newegg has a monthly payment option, Amazon might as well

PayPal will let you do 4 split payments I think

[sterile parcel]

They do if you have the prime store/rewards card

[solid glacier]

shgould i get the same ram if im getting 48gb

[pallid nova]

Does anyone know if the extra 300 cad is worth it for the 4070 super to the ti super?

[livid idol]

At 1440p ultra settings you'd be going from about 115 fps on the 4070 super to 133 fps on the 4070 ti super. It's up to you if that's worth it to get closer to that common 144Hz refresh rate.

Looks like a 240 CAD difference to me, 760 to 1000

[pallid nova]

I see

[pallid nova]

Damn really? The cheapest ti super i found was like 1149

[livid idol]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0CSG8NYT3

Not the best model but passable if you have enough airflow in your case

Next cheapest model https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/nbDQzy/zotac-gaming-trinity-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40730d-10p

And for comparison, the cheapest 4070 supers https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/WHKscf,Zh88TW,Y39wrH/

[odd siren]

https://youtu.be/G2ThRcdVIis?si=6nlrgFNbhMcFuoHr

Very interesting perspectives out of this video. We talk a lot about "mind share" at times but this really goes into the intricacies of it all

[sterile parcel]

NVIDIA is the Nestle equivalent.

[odd siren]

TRUE

OR KELLOGG'S

[rigid oxide]

Maybe their products are simply superior 😌

[odd siren]

Ok Safi

[oblique oyster]

have you considered getting an open box ti non super? theyre probly the best value comparatively

[keen nacelle]

($585 zotac 4070 ti open box)

[oblique oyster]

ya that

[odd siren]

CAD guys

[oblique oyster]

$801 CAD, there. cheaper by far

[odd siren]

If it ships there yeah

If you're picking between Ti Super, Ti and Super, the Ti is generally the better at open box

Only a few % difference for often 2-3 digits less in price

[sterile parcel]

Me when Monsanto

[carmine ginkgo]

I got my 4070 TI Super for $799 at launch.

[vital oriole]

$799

That's

Being honest here that's a terrible price

[odd siren]

At the time it wasn't that bad

I remember working on this one lol

In fact I think the reason why we opted to suggest that one was the super had the widened bit bus so it helped a lot for video editing

256 vs 192

And then you have AV1 which makes it a worthwhile suggestion for professional work vs the tradeoff of vram for a 3090

[vital oriole]

Fair

[sterile parcel]

I want 6090 69GB :(

[odd siren]

Actually reading back, we suggested the 4080 open box but not really sure what happened

Either way, for video work, Ti super makes sense

[sterile parcel]

Speaking of GPUs, I am moving to 6800XT fr this time

[vital oriole]

I oughta get my laptop rma'd pretty soon

[sterile parcel]

I was using the 3070 for a bit

[vital oriole]

Moving to a new place certainly helps

[odd siren]

The 6900XT has been just way too good ngl

[vital oriole]

ye

[odd siren]

I think it's my only GPU to date that just plain works?

[vital oriole]

It'll last so long

[sterile parcel]

But I'm fine with just switching to AMD for daily, at least until I get a 4090 used for a fair price

[odd siren]

I thought it broke for a while, found out it didn't

I'm late to the RDNA 2 party tho, but for the time it's been in use, it just works

I get occasional updates where like, HDR breaks maybe (Thanks windows) but other than that nothing

[sterile parcel]

It's a beautiful card, the black ref

[vital oriole]

How's xtx experience gone for ya tho

[odd siren]

Apart from the paste? It's been fine

But something in the system keeps tripping ocp so I've left it off for a bit

[vital oriole]

For some reason optimus advanced failed to work on my laptop

[odd siren]

Sorta waiting for the new Z20 before I change it

[vital oriole]

I can't choose auto select option

Only optimus or nvidia dgpu only

That's not exactly optimal but ah well

[odd siren]

eh

Isn't this a tuf

[vital oriole]

yeup

[odd siren]

Why isn't mux working

[vital oriole]

It's working

But it just doesn't have igpu mode

Somehow

[odd siren]

um...?

igpu gone?

[vital oriole]

Nah

It's still available

Just refuses to switch to that entirely

[odd siren]

[sterile parcel]

So it's not working properly

[vital oriole]

Mhm

[sterile parcel]

😂

[odd siren]

It's absolutely broken yes

[vital oriole]

Imma probably ddu then

lol

[odd siren]

DDU and nuke armoury or whatever the github app is you use

[vital oriole]

Oke

[odd siren]

Go from the top

[vital oriole]

I'll see how it goes

[sterile parcel]

It's not AI TUF, throw it out

[vital oriole]

lmao

[sterile parcel]

Your rice cooker isn't AI, either, throw it out

[vital oriole]

Thermal paste is AI now

Cooler master released AI paste

[odd siren]

I need my rice to sync with my neurolink ads

[sterile parcel]

That's why mux won't work, OBVIOUSLy

😁

[vital oriole]

What makes a paste AI?

Option of colors!

[odd siren]

I didn't pay for my paste to think

[vital oriole]

You can buy our brand new paste in various colors!

Red, green, blue

[sterile parcel]

"are we cooked, are we cooked, are we cooked..."

And as the voices faded off, so did Feetlicks into a deep slumber, beckoning the question.... "Am I cooked?"

[vital oriole]

lmao

[odd siren]

Also btw, crystal compound iirc, which I believe is potentially conductive

[vital oriole]

lol

What a joke

[odd siren]

Nah, I'd cook

[vital oriole]

CM has that cool easy application tube but

Really? Why make a paste potentially conductive

Something that you can potentially make a mess with

Hypothetically speaking, this thermal pastie is potentially conductive, thus in potentially messy applications, it could potentially damage your compooper 🤓

[sterile parcel]

You cooked the voices yes

[odd siren]

I haven't looked into it, but typically diamond compound pastes are historically conductive or partially conductive

[vital oriole]

That was written as a joke

But yeah, that's interesting

[odd siren]

Oh I wasn't reading the joke I was just pinging

Lol

[vital oriole]

Got ya

[odd siren]

Diamond is a carbon atom structure, and depending on the layout, can be totally inert, or totally conductive