graphics-cards

[junior locust]

Yeah screw it why the hell not?

Though
Now that I think about it

But no
That'd be stupid

Going XTX I mean

It'd probably be stupid

For 1440p

[livid idol]

Keep this handy if you do that route
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ati-atiflash/
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/262245/Sapphire.RX7900GRE.16384.230616.rom

[junior locust]

Can you DM them to me instead?

Since I will forget

[hot folio]

Remember that you need a CH341A programmer to reflash RDNA3

No software flashing for it

[livid idol]

Oh amdvbflash doesn't work, even though the program specifically says that it does?

[hot folio]

Oh did they update it?

[livid idol]

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ati-atiflash/

5.0.567 (March 10th, 2023)

Added support for flashing Navi 3x GPUs (Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT)

[hot folio]

Last time I checked RDNA3 didn’t support any software flashing

Oh damn that’s actually great

Wait that was before I had my 7900 XTX and it didn’t work, that’s really weird

Who knows

[wicked hound]

There is usually a difference between vBIOS flashing and vBIOS modding

[odd siren]

Lol.
https://youtu.be/TYPc1-NpybM?si=aFNAyF2jKM1psdXr

If only to serve the purpose of waking people up to how bad the 4070 is, I appreciate u 7900 GRE lmao

[vital oriole]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-limited-oc-of-radeon-rx-7900-gre-is-a-bug-fix-incoming

cool

an oc and it'll go brr

[raven wharf]

will OCing be able to do anything to its memory speed?

[odd siren]

Yes

[raven wharf]

with a proper OC how close do you think itll get to the 7900xt

[junior locust]

Well-deserved payback

[vital oriole]

i like the gre

but my greedy side says it should be cheaper

squeeze nvidia more

[opal iron]

should i repaste my gpu? Ive noticed that it seems to stay hot even after its turned off

I was gaming for an hour, i turn the pc off then come back and the gpu still feels warm

I got it on ebay but the outside looked in mint condition so i thought maybe its new just without a box

[odd siren]

that's so incredibly normal you probably won't get a second answer to this stating that it's perfectly normal

[opal iron]

this is my first pc so im unfamiliar with stuff

i just thought it was weird it stayed hot even after being off for so long

[odd siren]

that's more of a thermodynamics thing

the card never had the chance to cool down, so you turned it off

and it just held the heat

and instead is passively radiating it

[random walrus]

I'll be the second answer

Your gpu is most likely turning off the fans when the load stops

So only passive airflow/radiation is cooling it down which is much slower

If there's no load it isn't going to be getting any hotter than it was under peak load, so no worries

I used to let my PC run for a while "to cool down" after gaming before shutting it down and then I thought about it and was like... Oh

[livid idol]

Considering that it's still power limited, maybe™️ within 10% of the XT

[opal iron]

im idle on homescreen

Is it normal for my gpu to be doing this though

the fans just turn off randomly

and the temps are going up

[keen nacelle]

Looks like the fan curve is odd

Or it's right on the edge of cool enough where fans are off and just barely hot enough for them to turn o

[opal iron]

this isnt normal though right?

i searched it up and ig it is

0rpm mode

[livid idol]

Most GPUs will turn the fans off at or below 40C and turn them back on at 50C. Exact temps may vary by model.

[odd siren]

That is completely normal

My 3080 did that

[opal iron]

for me it seems to stop at 55c

i remember one time i was just on chrome and gpu was at 71c which is worrying bc thermal throttle is 83c

maybe im just being paranoid bc this is my first build

[livid idol]

It probably takes into account what mode it's in. On a lower power mode it might just set the fans to 0.

[opal iron]

so I constantly feel like i did something wrong

[raven wharf]

i totally forgot my gpu has a switch on it next to the power cables

isnt that for an oc bios or smth?

i dont think ive touched it

[livid idol]

Yes

Usually a toggle between "silent" and "OC" mode, which is often just a fan profile change

But the dual bios is nice because you can experiment with different vbios versions from other cards without worrying about bricking it

[raven wharf]

is it as simple as flipping the switch while the pc is on and it just changes

or do I actually have to go in somewhere and change it

[livid idol]

Flip it and it'll change next time you boot

Whether it's on or off

The vbios loads during the POST process

[raven wharf]

is it even worth changing

[livid idol]

Usually no unless you have a reason to

Switching to the OC mode can help keep temps down when overclocking

[raven wharf]

i wanna try to get on that timespy top 100 eventually so I might play around with it eventually

[vivid stone]

What is the best amd cpu pair with rx7800xt and waht is the best power supply for them ?

[keen nacelle]

That depends on the budget for the whole build

[raven wharf]

Depending on budget, R5 7600, or R7 7800X3D. A good 750 or 850w psu will be fine, I’m on my phone I’m sure someone here can link you one if you ask

[odd siren]

Congrats to Nvidia for creating a driver that completed the update properly for the AD102 chips

It feels like it's been a lifetime

and I'm HOPING

I don't have to DDU yet again

(I know I should always but it should also, update properly smh)

[odd siren]

Considering finally moving on from 6gb vram laptops

notice some games are starting to trend upwards

Also TIL DDU supports Realtek audio driver cleanup (THANK YOU)

[keen nacelle]

I haven't ddued in like a year and a half

[odd siren]

My 4090 has failed updating drivers for the previous 3 versions

it didn't this time

I didn't have a choice

even if I do think it's good practice

I've heard this is specifically an AD102 problem

[keen nacelle]

I probably should ddu and do a fresh install of windows sometime

I've been having very weird internet issues that I don't think are actual internet issues

[hot folio]

Skill issue

[odd siren]

I'll skill issue u in a minute

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

[hot folio]

I like it, you coming to aruba or should I start practing hanging from the ceiling?

[odd siren]

Arooga?

[hot folio]

Aroooooga

[lone pond]

Got an odd problem
essentially, i have this old pc.
my dad wanted me to fix it up so my grandpa could use it, to which i said it needs a new motherboard, anyways, he ended up buying one for it, so i rebuilt the pc, the original problem with the motherboard is gone but now its not booting/posting, just no video output at all from gpu or intergrated.
List of things ive tried:

• reseating ram/trying each stick on their own
• reseating cpu
• replugging in all cables
• reinserting gpu
  I dont think its relevant but theres not alot of thermal paste on the cpu as i only had a crappy dried up tube that was like 1/3 full (i repasted the cpu)

[heady turtle]

What cpu and gpu is in it, tried a different monitor/cable?

[keen nacelle]

And what motherboard was bought?

Was it bought new or used?

[lone pond]

tried all external stuff, a8-7600 cpu and gtx770 2gb gpu

[lone pond]

pretty sure its used

my dad bought it for 20 quid or somethng

it came in used packaging

its an asus a68hm-plus

[heady turtle]

Well 2 things, one thr cpu probably doesn't have onboard graphics, 2 clear cmos?

[maiden mist]

Anyone know what a good affordable graphics card for video transcoding would be. The cpu in my media server PC is too old to do transcoding.

[livid idol]

Arc A580

AV1 changes the game

[maiden mist]

Thanks

I could only find one A580 and the A750 and A750 are both cheaper

[livid idol]

Oh if the A750 is cheaper then absolutely get that

I forgot if you weren't in the US

It's hard to keep track sometimes

[hot folio]

Country roles maybe?

Could be a good idea

US, EU, Canada, Asia, Australia

[olive bobcat]

Too many currencies.

[livid idol]

Yes we need a grand unified currency that... wait where have I heard this before...

https://tenor.com/view/bitcoin-bitcoin-coaster-roller-coaster-brcg-gif-20372834

[vital oriole]

bitcoin

yep

[odd siren]

actually that's a great idea

like a role prompt at joining

USA Canada, then maybe the other serviced spaces of newegg

Like AU etc

then lastly "other" for those in countries not serviced by newegg

(Someone help me find a better word than "other)

but that would create a great reference to check instead of us asking

maybe make it optional so people who do feel uncomfortable don't have to opt in?

[craggy pier]

Egg in Spirit

lol idk

compEggtriot

[odd siren]

hahaha

I love it

Egg in Spirit is excellent

eggselent

[raven wharf]

Egglobe

[odd siren]

globegg

[hot folio]

Yeah other discords I’m in have that concept and it works so much better than having to ask

Currency ain’t an issue, it’s just so we know where the person is to offer help that’s actually applicable to them

[rugged thunder]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a more energy efficient option than my current 6800xt?

[keen nacelle]

Around same perf, 4070

[rugged thunder]

Somewhat want to downsize my PC, and was wondering if there's anything in the market atm that'd perform similarly but use a tad less power

[rugged thunder]

Haven't had an Nvidia card for a while, I could consider that

I'm at 1440p, if that matters much

I'll look into a 4070 then

Can probably sell my 6800xt at $300 or so

Is there a specific model of 4070 I should look for/avoid

[odd siren]

Ones that cost more than $420

Nay

400 tbh

Go used if you can

[rugged thunder]

They're that cheap used already?

I mean I don't mind used at all, my current GPU is

They're all pretty close to MSRP on ebay

Unless I should look elsewhere

[odd siren]

For decent price/perf I'd be looking that cheap

It's pretty hard to justify a 4070 at their normal prices

[rugged thunder]

I'd be selling my current GPU, but eh you're probably right

Just wanted one for the efficiency sake

[odd siren]

Honestly, a good 7800xt

That's still a 50W drop

[rugged thunder]

True

The 4070 in the low 200s looked tempting

[odd siren]

If you just get a good enough case even

It sort of circumvents the need to even change gpu

e.g sama im01

Nr200p v2

[rugged thunder]

I have a

4000D atm

Airflow model I believe

[odd siren]

What motherboard?

[rugged thunder]

A B550m

Pro VDH Wifi

[odd siren]

@rugged thunder

[rugged thunder]

Yes I'm here

[odd siren]

Sorry my discord bugged out

Sama im01

Have a look at it

[rugged thunder]

Case? Alright

[odd siren]

It's something like a 20L case but it takes atx psu's and mATX mobos

[rugged thunder]

I forgot how many liters my case is

[odd siren]

It probably fits your entire build for $60

4000D is big

More like

40L?

Full towers are often in the 50's+

[rugged thunder]

I know my card is on the larger side

[odd siren]

Which one

[rugged thunder]

It's a 6800xt, red devil

[odd siren]

Put it all into a list on pcpp

Specific parts

It'll tell you if it fits

[rugged thunder]

Sure lemme get to that rq

[odd siren]

Imo a good sff box like that just feeds cold air to the gpu at the bottom so gpu temps are almost always good

Not something I'd worry about on a big scale

Second one to consider

Jonsbo D31

No fans tho but you have fans

[rugged thunder]

Not seeing the Sama on PCPP

[odd siren]

Asus prime ap201 also good

Sama im01

[rugged thunder]

Yeah I have a few 120s I believe

[odd siren]

Turn off compatibility filter

It'll say what fits and what doesnt

[rugged thunder]

Compatibility error

Nvm it's just cause the motherboard

CPU and mobo

[odd siren]

B550m?

Oh bios update

So it fits?

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

Doesn't say anything against it anyways

Size wise

[odd siren]

So there's no second warning about the gpu maybe

[rugged thunder]

Should I send the list for you to double check or nah

[odd siren]

Ye pls

[rugged thunder]

I'm not seeing a GPU warning

[odd siren]

I'll just confirm

[rugged thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nQCWCd

Should be everything

A smaller case like that would be nice

I wouldn't complain at all

[odd siren]

Ok no it fits everything but the cooler

[rugged thunder]

Damn

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nQCWCd

[rugged thunder]

Didn't notice that issue on my screen, odd

[odd siren]

I readded the case

[rugged thunder]

Ah my bad

[odd siren]

Ur fine

[rugged thunder]

So we need a different case

[odd siren]

So you can flip the cooler then get a decent thermalright

[rugged thunder]

Ah

[odd siren]

This would be like a net near 60 anyway

[rugged thunder]

Are CPU coolers easy to sell second hand?

I'd have to see if I still have the box

[odd siren]

Noctuas should be ok

People don't understand the value of noctua

Like asus strix

It should sell

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xpxqgB

So about, $93 before tax

To swap to this

Provided nothing goes wrong

[rugged thunder]

I think I got it for Christmas or something, so no biggie

[odd siren]

Cooler I picked is a lot better btw

Ok one last double check

[rugged thunder]

As long as it all fits, I'm good

[odd siren]

So it's saying, up to 335mm gpus, yours is 320mm

[rugged thunder]

Does this case have a GPU support bracket or some sort? I believe my GPU sags in my current case without the GPU stand

[odd siren]

Just gotta check psu length

[odd siren]

Literal piece of lego works

Like a little stud

It's that close to the bottom of the case

Where the intake is

[rugged thunder]

Ah

[odd siren]

Ok so one thing I'm unsure about

The case I believe boasts 140mm psu support

Your psu is 160mm

[rugged thunder]

Damn

We can go up size wise a little if needed

I don't mind

[odd siren]

Which shouldn't be an issue but the issue lies in will it block the card

Ye we can go higher

[rugged thunder]

I like the idea of smaller PC cases

Plus it makes it easier to keep up and away from the floor

Perhaps a slightly larger case could also keep the current cooler

[odd siren]

Jonsbo d31 fits everything for $80

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3cLn6

You can also get it with a screen

This you'll want a gpu support brace separately if you are after that sort of thing

Look for the ones that support from the right hand side

The ones that reach out from the pcie slots are mostly useless

[rugged thunder]

My GPU does sag pretty hard

[odd siren]

31.5L case btw

[rugged thunder]

Kinda another reason I wanted a smaller GPU but eh go figure

[odd siren]

So comparatively

D31 is 31.5L, 4000D is 48.5L

D31 is a lot narrower, longer

Shorter

[rugged thunder]

Looks pretty squat

[odd siren]

It has 360 aio support

[rugged thunder]

If I had to describe it

[odd siren]

It's a really good case, apart from the two I mentioned there aren't really any others that small with minimal value exchange

That are decent ofc

It's a very traditional layout, gpu intakes from the bottom

And your cpu doesn't use a crazy amount of power so it should run quite well

Quality wise it feels identical to a lian li case

Maybe a little better (nicer thumbscrews)

[rugged thunder]

I had a lian li at some point

When I first tried to make a PC

I of course didn't measure anything and it was way too small

[odd siren]

If you're a little familiar though it was very much like that

[rugged thunder]

Interesting

Could go down this route

Still thinking of a 4070 route but I'll hold off for a while

I think it'd work nice in a smaller case like this but meh

[odd siren]

Imo it's just not really a good card at all

[rugged thunder]

I'm just into it for the efficiency

[odd siren]

That whole mid-low end from them this gen is just not great price/perf

I know

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

6800xt is a good performer but it's questionable energy wise

Plus it's just fat it needs a diet badly

[odd siren]

Swapping to a 7800xt you could probably fit the sama im01 again

They have good 2 fan cards

[rugged thunder]

If I change the cooler as well yeah

[odd siren]

Ye

[rugged thunder]

I'm used to AMD software anyways I don't mind staying with them

[odd siren]

If you can find a good 4070 price go for it

Very hard tho

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

Brand new the 7800xt and 4070 are around the same price

Right on $500 or so

Selling my 6800xt for $300 or so that'd be $200-$250 from my pocket

[odd siren]

Trying to find a chart

Hold on

[rugged thunder]

Np I can wait

[odd siren]

Just to shed some light on what I mean

[rugged thunder]

Fair enough

There is a sapphire 2 fan on Amazon actually

[odd siren]

The 4070 needs to be around 460 to match the 7800xt @ 500

But the 7800xt goes for as low as 480 rn

So about 440 for 4070 to break even

But at that point you're already doing well

[odd siren]

Sapphire >>>>

Just for note btw

Good cooler is far more beneficial than low power

For sff

[rugged thunder]

Search 4070 on Newegg
"You may also be interested in: 4090"

[rugged thunder]

Assumed so yeah

Fair enough

[odd siren]

Lol

You can have a low power 4070 but a meh cooler and get a noisy pc regardless

Tho I think the only noisy one is ventus 2x

Iirc

[rugged thunder]

Higher quality Radeon I assume?

Never used a sapphire

[odd siren]

Ye

[rugged thunder]

I've always had power colour cards for some reason

[odd siren]

They're all electrically almost identical

But cooler wise, fans and like, user experience

Better

[rugged thunder]

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-7800-xt-21330-01-20g/p/N82E16814202437

[odd siren]

They do stuff like easy to replace fans

[rugged thunder]

Two fan cars

Card

Plus I just like this look

[odd siren]

Mmm that's a reference

Not a true sapphire

It's a good enough card tho

[rugged thunder]

Ah

There's a pulse that's also 2 fan

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tXNYcf/asus-dual-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-90yv0jj1-m0aa00

[rugged thunder]

$520 compared to the standard $510

[odd siren]

Yeah pulse is good

Hellhound is good

Tuf is good

[rugged thunder]

This one looks good yeah

[odd siren]

The dual or pulse would be my pick

[rugged thunder]

What's the deal with red devil? I assume it's just a trim or something

[odd siren]

Or if big case, tuf

Red devil is their overclocked sku

Like asus strix

[rugged thunder]

Ah

[odd siren]

Red devil/liquid devil

[rugged thunder]

Gotcha

I got it for like $500 used a year or so ago

CIB

[odd siren]

Sapphire pure also good if you want white

At it's lowest price rn iirc

[rugged thunder]

Meh, I think the first case was black

I don't care too much about the GPU colour

If it runs good that's all I care about

[odd siren]

Fair

Agree

[rugged thunder]

I don't stare into my case anyways

[odd siren]

Actually

I think all these cards are too long for the sama with long psu

Lol

[rugged thunder]

Damn

[odd siren]

267mm is the shortest

[rugged thunder]

My issue for getting a thermal take or something

The second case you showed seemed good

Plus I can keep the cooler I have now for the cpu I think

[odd siren]

There's a 4070 that fits but is loud and disgustingly expensive lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/83ZXsY/zotac-twin-edge-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-12-gb-video-card-zt-d40700h-10m

At this point I'd just swap psu

[rugged thunder]

I've heard mixed things about Zotac so bleh

[odd siren]

Ye you could

[rugged thunder]

Is it too restrictive?

[odd siren]

Imo just a case change is optimal

[rugged thunder]

Thought it fit in the D31 you showed

[odd siren]

Oh I'm talking about the sama

Mb

If you did swap psu as well you could definitely go to sama

[rugged thunder]

Hm

[odd siren]

Swapping 3 instead of 1 tho

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

How much smaller was the sama?

The D31 only seemed a tad larger

Plus I like how that looks a bit more

[odd siren]

21.9L

[rugged thunder]

And it has (some) front IO

[odd siren]

So significant

But the flipside is the d31 can run any hardware rn

Whereas the im01 can't

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

I like the D31, I think it'd be small enough to fit on top of my desk

Don't have a measuring tape on me though so it's just an eyeball

[odd siren]

Time to pull out the tape measure lol

Welp

First things first is a tape measure 💀

[rugged thunder]

Let me find one

[odd siren]

Measure things up, you should have options here

The d31 is something like 400mm long

But like 210mm wide

[rugged thunder]

Surprised I don't have a tape measure on hand for some reason

[odd siren]

If your 4000D barely fits length-wise

The d31 might be too long

might be

Anyway, gotta go

✌️

[rugged thunder]

Take care, thanks for the help

I'll jot this down for a revisit

[odd siren]

Np

[rugged thunder]

Off to look and research I go

[rugged thunder]

Did some measuring, it'll fit on top of my desk

So I guess I'm going with that D31

Is zotac a good GPU brand?

Or no

On Newegg there's an open box 4070 for $400

Two fan Zotac model

Or is the brand new sapphire 7800xt at $490 still the better way to go

[keen nacelle]

thats great

thats amazing value

could you link it?

i want to double check seller

[rugged thunder]

Np

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-zt-d40700e-10m/p/N82E16814500550R?Item=N82E16814500550R

[keen nacelle]

thats fantastic

[rugged thunder]

"sold and shipped by Newegg"

[rugged thunder]

I'll grab this then for the D31 build

Ty

[keen nacelle]

lmk after you order

ima post to tech deals

[rugged thunder]

Ordered

Never had a Zotac

So don't have expectations one way or the other r

[junior locust]

Holy crap the 7900 GRE is 40% faster and like 10% cheaper than the 4070 (vanilla version)

at least here for the price

[lilac coyote]

Should i get a 4070 or a rx7800 xt. Also is 520 for a rx7800 xt a good deal?

[odd siren]

7800xt

It's no contest, it's just better

If you want an nvidia card near 500-ish, get a 3080Ti used

Beats a 4070 in almost everything

[raven wharf]

get a 7900 GRE for like 30 bucks more if you can stretch the budget

[lilac coyote]

i can but how much more perfomance boost is it

[livid idol]

About 10% over the 7800 XT if you get an AIB model

(sapphire, asrock, etc)

And it should in theory overclock very well and very easily

[keen nacelle]

^^ amd confirmed this I believe

There's a bug atm they're working on fixing from what I saw

[livid idol]

What AMD has said is the low power and overclocking limits on the first party and OEM cards was a "bug" and they're fixing it

[keen nacelle]

Ah alr

[livid idol]

Pretty sure it wasn't an actual bug and it was intentional to not encroach on the 7900 XT too much

But now they can't get away with it since sapphire proved a little more power = 5% better

[odd siren]

They should have pretty great scaling

80CU's vs 84 on 7900XT

[livid idol]

Patiently watching this page to confirm things https://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_rx_7900_gre/

[keen nacelle]

That'd make sense

[odd siren]

The things that are concerning are the memory speed and the bit bus

Both of those things can make it less likely to encroach 7900xt

[lilac coyote]

isn't the 7900 gre require lots of watts

[odd siren]

No

[livid idol]

The memory itself is the same 20Gbps memory, just downclocked to 18Gbps

[odd siren]

7900GRE still pulls maybe as much as a 3080

If not no, less

[livid idol]

260W stock power

Way less than 3080

[odd siren]

Ye we confirmed that, but waiting to see if it really is just downclocked or rather, downbin which would be unfortunate

Like how not all B die runs great, some run like c die trash

[livid idol]

Even a downbin that can only get 19.5 would be a win

[odd siren]

Ofc

We'll see soon enough

That will be big tho

Radeon loves memory speed

[livid idol]

Looks like the best time spy scores on the GRE are around 25k graphics

[odd siren]

Give it a while longer

[livid idol]

Yeah those are results from China with the limited OC "bug"

And probably not LN2

[odd siren]

Highest 7800xt is 24K

3.3Ghz clock

2580 mem

Which is

Not that high on mem tbh

That's gonna be an EVC run though

So 7900GRE you should wait a while yet

[livid idol]

Compared to the #1 GRE that only did 2711 on core, so definitely not LN2 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/44652309

[odd siren]

Yeah

It has the headroom to go a lot faster

EVC would definitely pull that out of it

Highest 7900XT score is 35K

3.4Ghz clock

2768 mem which is really high

I'd expect it to be like

About a notch below that with evc

32K?

If you account for possibly worse mem and the bit bus being a pain

Cut less 5% definitely on CU config

31K?

These cards have ridiculous scaling with evc

XTX does 43K on EVC

Vs 4090 doing 44-45K

AMD biased benchmark tho, idk

💀

[raven wharf]

whats the highest 6950 XT

arent the two comparable?

[livid idol]

47.4k
Not even close, but keep in mind this is a HEAVILY modified 6950 XT
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/35724877

[raven wharf]

those are crossfire

what about single

cause you cant crossfire rnda3 right

[livid idol]

Oops mb
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/30998601

27.8k

That 2k score difference should be easy with similar modifications

[solid glacier]

This is showing up on my brothers pc and it won’t boot up

It was working fine last night

[livid idol]

Clear cmos first

It's saying some change in bios made it unable to post, so that could be the memory settings

[solid glacier]

None of his case fans are working

But Sebring else is

Everything else is

[spare relic]

hell yeah sebring mentioned 🗣️

https://tenor.com/view/rf2-rfactor-rfactor2-sebring-lmp2-gif-23471538

[solid glacier]

No LED lights or nothing for the case fans

[languid hollow]

In amd adrenaline you can lower down the stock minimum frequency of the GPU to -28%. Is there a downside to this? Because currently I dont see one.

[vital oriole]

there's none

it reduces idle power consumption tho

[solid glacier]

Uh

There is a downside what lmao

None of the case fans working??

No airflow going in and no hot air going out

[livid idol]

The GPU core frequency has nothing to do with the case fans though

[solid glacier]

Oh okay yea idkwhy they won’t turn on

[livid idol]

Probably a loose wire somewhere

In rare cases you might have overloaded the header and blew it out

[solid glacier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WzcjH

Still keep this list or change anything

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VZZ8wg

[solid glacier]

oh right i wanna do aircooler phantom spirit for cpu cooler i dont wanna use deepcool

[solid glacier]

is that a good ssd..? never heard of it and i wanna the ssd to be good for warzone alont wtih the ram

[olive bobcat]

Yes

[keen nacelle]

It's among the beat gen 4 ssds

Gm7000 is also great, $125

[livid idol]

Warzone doesn't care if it's on a gen 5 drive or a sata drive

As long as it's a SSD

[solid glacier]

i think my build is gen 5 though isnt it

[livid idol]

It's capable of gen 5

Doesn't mean you need or should use it

[solid glacier]

and my build good for warzone

[livid idol]

As good as it gets

[solid glacier]

worth getting 48gb of ram>

[livid idol]

Most of the time no. It has no benefit unless you're running out of memory.

No game currently pushes 32GB, even with a bunch of chrome tabs, discord, streaming, etc running

[livid idol]

Star citizen is probably the worst optimized game I've ever seen

And I've lived through the PS3 launch of Skyrim

Yes, I was wrong to generalize broadly like that. There are rare exceptions.

I have personally never encountered such a situation.

That being said, I know that frosty isn't going to be streaming any time soon

Considering it's DDR5, 32GB is basically the minimum

It's hard to find 8GB sticks now that are any better deals than 16GB

The cheapest 16GB kit that's worth getting (less than 12ns CAS) is currently $81. You can find 32GB kits at that same price.

That's why 16GB isn't a better deal

32GB is cheaper actually lol https://www.newegg.com/xpg-32gb/p/N82E16820246080?item=N82E16820246080

I'm comparing non-rgb to non-rgb

The 32GB is cheaper and better performing

[odd siren]

With due respect here

none of those examples demonstrate over 32gb

Lol

We normally change to a slightly less powerful cpu in this case

Rarely a cheaper gpu, maybe case, ssd

1 part of 8 core components of a pc so there's often a solid enough budget to fit 32gb unless they're sitting really deep into the entry level

[odd siren]

Isn't this exactly why I'd say it? You made the assertion that some people need much more than 32gb, and so I made the point to point that out

There's no reason to get toxic about it

anyway, you do you lol

[keen nacelle]

Bro what even is this

What inspires you to be so passive aggressive when presenting an opinion you hold when being disagreed with, when no one was disrespectful to you in the first place, and then act like you did absolutely nothing?

That's so childish.

You're funny

I dont even remember you.

I'm rude when someone is rude to me.

Or ignoring me while still asking for help.

Oh and you just admitted it lmao

What's the point of acting innocent and then self reporting lmfao

Said he's going twice, comes back both times to respond

No, laughing

You're funny

[vital oriole]

Stop, before I have to time you out

You have been nothing but a nuisance to people who talked to you in a friendly manner

You refuse to learn

[keen nacelle]

Oh also, you have me confused with someone else.

[vital oriole]

If you continue this in the future, I will, in due respect, have to do something about it

[keen nacelle]

I've never interacted with you before this.

[vital oriole]

It's right to be wrong and admit it, we all make mistakes and can learn from it

Just don't be so egoistic when you know you're wrong

Have a good night, I hope you learn from this

[odd siren]

LMFAO

At some point bro is going to fall asleep 💀

[vital oriole]

Welp, we gave you a chance

[odd siren]

And you're welcome to do so. But, as with all things on the internet, welcome to a public forum, where people will (Within reason and moderation) openly voice their opinions as they see fit by their own freedom

[odd siren]

ah sadge

[vital oriole]

Let's end it here, we're done

[odd siren]

alright

Wouldn't want to upset a mod

[rugged thunder]

Got my 4070 today

Faster shipping than expected

And damn this card is small

[vital oriole]

power of efficiency

[odd siren]

It's so cute

[rugged thunder]

For real

I'm gonna list the 6800xt for like

$300 on Facebook

If that sounds like a good price

[odd siren]

Man I'd buy that

But shipping

Painge

[rugged thunder]

It's CIB and everything

So fancy

[spare relic]

have you tried not being in australia

[rugged thunder]

Idk how GPU brands go

[spare relic]

[rugged thunder]

But I've heard powercolour is one of the better radeon brands?

[odd siren]

[odd siren]

Depends how you stack it up but yes

Liquid devil is a prized radeon

[rugged thunder]

Seems like $300 should be fine

I'll even include the GPU stand because I'm so nice like that

(also because I don't need it anymore lol that card was heavy)

[odd siren]

Check hardwareswap for prices @rugged thunder

Also I'd wait until you're sure the 4070 works first

[rugged thunder]

Will do

Yeah

Just boxed it up for now so the damn cats don't get to it

For an open box 4070 it has everything and the box has pretty much no damage

[odd siren]

How much was it again

[rugged thunder]

$400

So will cost me some $100 out of pocket after the 6800xt is gone

[odd siren]

That's solid

You did really well there

My big tick of approval if that is worth anything

Where's a big tick

https://tenor.com/view/verified-verified-instagram-verified-green-gif-26305008

[rugged thunder]

It's outputting signal now I gotta get drivers

Hoo boy

And yes I remembered to DDU beforehand

First time in YEARS I'll be using GeForce experience

(like 3 lol not that long)

[odd siren]

You're just in time for them to update to the new control panel

No more 20 year old plain windows xp ass design

[rugged thunder]

I remember that being horrible to navigate

On my (definitely overpriced) eBay 1660s

Back when I used an optiplex the memories

She lives

[odd siren]

We have an approved 4070 user now

[rugged thunder]

real

[spare relic]

and I dipped right before

[rugged thunder]

Is it over

[rugged thunder]

Even with nice frame rates I can't tell the difference between RT on and off it's over

Maybe it's just the games I play

[spare relic]

the koolaid is wearing off

[livid idol]

Most games don't implement RT in any kind of game changing way

You mostly get slightly better shadows

[rugged thunder]

Worth half the frame rate

I only really tested it in RE4 and doom eternal

Welp time for RTX Minecraft obviously

Loving the power efficiency though

Pretty much the same performance as before but under 200w

woohoo

[livid idol]

Minecraft is one of the exceptions, RT does make that look a lot better

[rugged thunder]

Wonder how the 4070 will fair

To the demon that is Minecraft with Ray tracing

[livid idol]

Cyberpunk with the psycho ultra path traced rays on looks great too

But even a 4090 struggles with that

[rugged thunder]

Doubtful cyberpunk would run well like that on this class of card

Yeah lol

Portal with RTX time obviously

[livid idol]

With the remix mod that redoes all the textures too, good choice

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

makes sense though its cyberpunk

isnt able to run smoothly until 2077

when we have the rtx 15090

[rugged thunder]

Oh God I'm getting 20fps

120ms of input lag

[raven wharf]

in?

[rugged thunder]

What did I do wrong

[rugged thunder]

Portal rtx

[livid idol]

Sounds about right tbh

[rugged thunder]

Had to turn DLSS on

3.0

[livid idol]

It's a tech demo more than anything else

[odd siren]

Can't really think of a single gpu that game doesn't kill

[rugged thunder]

That latency though

[raven wharf]

reflections on the toilet make it worth it obv

[rugged thunder]

So true

Let's ignore the fact art style wise I think the og is better

I can't tell much of a graphical hit with DLSS 3.0

Is that the common consensus or am I blind

[livid idol]

In slower paced games the issues are less noticeable

[spare relic]

I've never been fond of mc rtx

[rugged thunder]

I can't say RTX is making the experience any better

Kinda pretty ig

[spare relic]

it's too much fog/crepuscular ray

[livid idol]

Most of the difference will be the replaced textures

[rugged thunder]

Game of the year bravo

Also it crashes whenever I get out of the app

So that's enough portal rtx

[livid idol]

[rugged thunder]

It just works

90% sure this is some RT feature because this KILLS framerate on steam deck

[spare relic]

there's one really stylistically beautiful shader that I'm not sure has exaggerated fog/rays like mcrtx does but it has fantastic constellations and aurora at night

[rugged thunder]

Eye candy sounds like

[spare relic]

it would feel right if it had that exaggeration

I wish mcrtx could do something like that

[rugged thunder]

Damn I CAN SEE IT ON THE FLOOR YEAAAAA

[rugged thunder]

I'll need to check it out

I haven't played MC in forever

[spare relic]

I gotta look for what the shader's called

[rugged thunder]

Newegg just emailed me now my package arrived

[raven wharf]

shaders on java run well for me

[rugged thunder]

I appreciate the enthusiasm but you're 4 hours late

[livid idol]

That seems to be the consensus, that it's a RT toggle

[raven wharf]

on bedrock where its only "rtx" my frames drop

[spare relic]

I'm looking at the picture and what stands out to me is the clock rather than the floor

[rugged thunder]

I was wondering why it was verified for deck it ran horribly

[spare relic]

the green in the shadows

[rugged thunder]

Turns out RT is on by default

For some reason

[livid idol]

Poorly labeled settings are great right?

[rugged thunder]

Because just
"Reflections"
Is good enough

They're persona players they're too dumb to know what a ray trace is

[spare relic]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/shaders/astralex-shader-bsl-edit

here it is

lovely cartoony constellations and shooting stars

[rugged thunder]

All of these effects

Just to play for 40 minutes then never again for 3 months

[vital oriole]

I used BSL for a bit on mc

It's fun

[rugged thunder]

I don't even have Minecraft installed

Somehow

[livid idol]

Average showcase game moment

[raven wharf]

i was suprised i could run shaders, this was the other day when I was testing

everyone always made it out that rt on radeon is impossible

not impossible but like

bad

[rugged thunder]

I just know I will go back to tf2 anyways

[livid idol]

The minecraft RT is a software implementation rather than hardware so RX cards do fine

[rugged thunder]

Didn't bedrock RT just

Not go anywhere?

I heard it get announced and that's it]

Okay guys welcome to my minecraft RTX lets play

RT is on I swear

Is optifine still the best mod for using these RT packs or no

[livid idol]

It's still good but better have come out. I don't play so the names escape me.

[spare relic]

seus ptgi dev has been slow for personal reasons 😔

2020s been hard on people

[rugged thunder]

Googling for a whole five minutes

Apparently Iris is the go to

[spare relic]

I've been using it

I ran the plug n play installer, so just iris only installations

[rugged thunder]

sun

[spare relic]

eyy

yk I don't think I';ve ever seen the sun like that with that shader

[rugged thunder]

Fancy

[spare relic]

I did go through and tweak the settings a bunch because it's one of the more extremely modifiable ones so maybe I ended up turning off that version

[rugged thunder]

Getting a pretty consistent 100~ frames with everything absolutely cranked

Besides render distance that stays at 16

How fancy

[spare relic]

💯

[hasty sphinx]

@wanton edge

[wanton edge]

heh lookin good

[rustic pulsar]

!ddu

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[wicked hound]

Optifine kinda sucks now-a-days. To get most of the good optimization mods download the Fabulously Optimized modpack or go through this list (https://github.com/TheUsefulLists/UsefulMods).

[rugged thunder]

Did Sodium/Iris

[wicked hound]

Which are good optimization mods, but with Fabric mod API there are a lot of optimization mods.

[random walrus]

Fabulously Optimized is nice. I'd also reccomend Nvidium if you have an Nvidia card. It may not be compatible with shaders though.

[wicked hound]

It's not. Barely compatible with most mods that even slightly touch on custom rendering

There is also VulkanMod, same deal as Nvidium with much more optimized render pipeline at the cost of compatibility but works on most GPUs that support Vulkan 1.1.

[patent ice]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/psJp4M is this a good build for a friend of mine?

[odd siren]

that's quite good ye

this monitor if he can afford

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/bWWBD3/msi-optix-mag274qrf-qd-270-2560x1440-165-hz-monitor-optix-mag274qrf-qd

[livid idol]

Could get a cheaper cooler but that's about the only note I've got

[odd siren]

it can go a little cheaper from what I can tell but not a whole lot

ye

it's not bad

You've been taking notes Ryan

yeah there's only about $60 of play in that budget

if he can't really stretch budget to make that monitor fit, this works
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/2ppQ9c

I still think what you have is really good though

You'd be stepping up to QLED but I think your list is really good too tbh

[patent ice]

that cooler can cool a r7 7800x3d?

[patent ice]

i dont think he can his original budget was 1500 so it is already really streched💀

[patent ice]

but arent both psu's in A tier so why does that really matter

and isnt a A620 worse than a B650

[keen nacelle]

It's just an extra 100w, and it's among the best psus on the market for the same price

The 7800x3d is very easy to cool, either cooler is fine.

I like putting a dual tower on it just because, but its not needed.

A620 vs b650 doesn't matter, a620s just don't support cpu overclocking

Some a620s are limited to 65w tdp though

I actually think that is one of the ones that's limited, id avoid it, but felix pls correct me if I'm wrong

[patent ice]

he wants rgb😭

[patent ice]

but isnt the gigabyte B650 good then since imo that atx looks better

[patent ice]

other people are saying the nzxt one is better is the difference big?

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqJBdH this better?

[keen nacelle]

The nzxt is not better

Nah grab the eagle ax

Otherwise yeah

[patent ice]

Is a r5 7600 and a 7900xt better combo?

Someone said it might be better

[odd siren]

It's an 88W cpu. The problem with AM5 is the IHS is less of a conductor and more of an insulator, so it really doesn't matter what cooler goes on it as the heat transfer is terrible. It performs almost equally on a 360mm aio as it does a wraith prism stock cooler

[odd siren]

It doesn't but $1 for 100W extra is worth it

[odd siren]

Alr

[odd siren]

The one component that gets enabled is static CPU OC for B650, but the chipset functions basically the same.
There's also gen 5 ssd support which doesn't mean anything for anyone not in video production

[odd siren]

Some b650's are too. See: b650m hdv/m.2

[patent ice]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/ynvsCd this better?

[odd siren]

Yeah you could do that

That would work fine too

My point of the list I sent was less to say you could do better, more to decorate that there was only about $60 budget you could've stripped at most, which imo is perfectly acceptable in the pursuit of aesthetics

[livid idol]

The Wraith stock cooler can cool the 7800X3D, it's not hot at all

[odd siren]

I quote it a lot but here is the video again for reference
https://youtu.be/lgiBcD7bBaw?si=Ydr7IMxkCgRQ85Q2

Wraith prism vs. evga clc 240mm

TL;DR 2% performance difference in heavy workloads

[livid idol]

Which is margin of error really

[odd siren]

Ye

[heady turtle]

This is nice
https://youtu.be/QbNwO4HXTIk

[junior locust]

There is no badly priced product

Only an underfunded marketing department

If your marketing is good enough you can sell literal turds for the weight of gold price

[heady turtle]

No

[junior locust]

I'm hoping you understand the sarcasm

[junior locust]

Honestly, the whole "This is how much it should cost" thing is pretty pointless now

They will never again cost what they "should"

40 series was bought a lot, the inflated prices are already normalized to a significant degree

even AMD is jacking prices because AMD knows they will sell

[raven wharf]

they are also directly competing and if they sell that much why not sell them and make the profit

[junior locust]

TLDR companies only see a wallet in you

[raven wharf]

yes

as much as amd is seen as like the value and the good guy undercutting nvidia

at the end of the day they are a massive company with the goal to make profit

[heady turtle]

It was not clear you where being sarcastic at all

[junior locust]

I intended to be

Apologies if that didn't go through text

I'm just salty that this whole priceogeddon is already normalized

[heady turtle]

That's the point of the video, and amds isn't jacked nearly as much, there's is a lot closer to inflation

[livid idol]

Shrinkflation is fun. "You'll pay more for a smaller amount of product and you'll like it"

4060 be like

[heady turtle]

All good

[raven wharf]

shrinkflation applying to tech and gpus is something i didnt think of and makes me laugh and depressed at the same time

[random walrus]

Meanwhile games are seeing decreasing gains to visuals/performance

Less optimization

Leaning more and more heavily on TAA and upscalers

[raven wharf]

They really need to start optimizing in terms of storage

For any AAA game nowadays it’s like 150gbs 💀

[random walrus]

That's to be expected with higher res textures and higher poly counts

Though I guess part of that bloat is sometimes cosmetics (looking at you, cod)

[near wind]

Its so annoying how scalped the 4080 / super

[vital oriole]

there's the next best thing

7900 xtx

[near wind]

Too much power draw

And only 1 model i know fit my case

Do newegg have power when aibs decide to put stock in their site?

Or likr yk sold by newegg thing

Cuz 4080 super zotac black edition is like instock on their website

But on newegg its always scalped

[vital oriole]

buy on their web tbh

no need to use newegg

[odd siren]

None of the 4080's look worth buying

Yep just checked, they've all gone above 1K now, so they're not worth it atm

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wHVmP6/powercolor-hellhound-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-24g-loc

If you need to wait for a 4080 super then I'd wait until you find one 1K or less

Even at 1K it's really hard to justify the value vs XTX for 90 more, unless you work with optix daily

[livid idol]

Just buy direct from zotac, 1k even https://www.zotacstore.com/us/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-4080-super-trinity-black-edition-16gb-gddr6x

[junior locust]

wow they have 4090s for LESS than 2k USD???

oh but oos

DAMN IT only US can order direct

[steel rampart]

any opinions on 7800xt, 7900 GRE, 4070 super?

[vital oriole]

GRE is better choice

[odd siren]

wow I even looked through that whole store and missed it

smh my eyes

[odd siren]

they're all good tbh

the highest you can reasonably fit in your budget will be the best pick of the 3 imo

[junior locust]

I'm biased for the GRE but it really depends on the price
If you can get the GRE for the same price or at most ~5% more, get that over the 7800XT
If the 4070 Super is cheaper than the GRE, then get that

If the 4070 Super is same price or more than GRE, then def GRE

You really can't screw up with either of the three, they're all good perf

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-ham-funny-ham-funny-spam-ham-boing-boing-gif-23066956

[near wind]

I only have newegg store credits

Lol

[steel rampart]

500. 550, 600 respectively

[junior locust]

Yeah I'd say GRE worth it

[burnt venture]

So, I recently built a new system 7600X, MSI x670e Tomahawk, 32GB ddr5-6000. Currently using this guy: Check this out on @Newegg:MSI Ventus GeForce RTX 3050 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 x8 ATX Video Card RTX 3050 VENTUS 2X XS 8G OC https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3050-rtx-3050-ventus-2x-xs-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137810?Item=N82E16814137810&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-137-810-_-03132024.

Ive been thinking about bumping up to a 3060. Just because, the 3050 is DVI/HDMI/DP. and the 3060 is (3) DP and 1 HDMI. Would it be worth trading the the 3050 in and paying the ~120 difference?

[keen nacelle]

what do you use the pc for, gaming?

you might be able to get a 1:1 trade for a 6600, which is just barely worse than a 3060 12gb

3060 tends to go around 200-220 used, which is more than a 6600 new, it's just very meh value

[burnt venture]

Im not trying to push fps. I have (2) 35” UW @ 1080, and (1) 28” 4k vertical next to them vertically that im only running at 1080 to match the others. Im not a hardcore gamer. In fact the only game im running is FFXI, lol. But im hoping to play more eventually.

[keen nacelle]

i mean what i said still stands then, but if you don't need more gpu power now, just wait to upgrade imo

[burnt venture]

Ah, sorry I didn’t see your reply in between up there 👆. Crappy network where im at right now, lol. Im apprehensive about getting an AMD card right now because of the issues they’re having with the drivers.

[livid idol]

What issues?

The ones they fixed almost 2 years ago?

Currently I'd say, as far as bugs go, AMD and nvidia drivers are equal

[keen nacelle]

If you really want nvidia, go 3060 ti+ or 20 series

https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-dual-rtx3060ti-o8gd6x-white/p/N82E16814126614R?Item=N82E16814126614R&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-126-614R-_-03132024

[burnt venture]

On AMD’s Reddit, every other post is “every thing was fine for a while then (something) happened, so i updated drivers and now (stuttering, crashes, etc.)

[livid idol]

And nvidia has bugs they haven't fixed in 8 years

I say this as an nvidia owner

[odd siren]

The experience of drivers between both is almost completely comparable now

I say this as an owner of a large number of cards released in the last 4 years

[burnt venture]

Cool. Regardless, based on your earlier post, i think ill stick it out with the 3050 at least for a bit.

[wicked hound]

As a NoVideo owner, love it when VRR support has slowly killed itself more and more

[livid idol]

I also love that having a second monitor attached forces my GPU to remain in the highest power state, even at idle

Which has been a problem for me since I had a 1060

And then when I had a 2070

And now with my current gpu

[keen nacelle]

wait

is that why my pc is always so hot

[livid idol]

Possibly

[keen nacelle]

ill have to look into that

ty

[livid idol]

Watch your vram clock, it's supposed to go down to 400 or so when it's idle

It's a persistent bug that almost everyone gets but since there's little impact in the real world they never bothered to fix it

Most people don't ever notice

[ivory herald]

Multidisplay power saver not working? included w/ nvidia inspector.

[livid idol]

Nothing I tried worked until I changed something I forgot and it reset after a driver update anyway

[barren trout]

Could I put a 30 series gpu in a old motherboard that's only capable of 20 series

[odd siren]

ofc you can

any motherboard in the last like

11 years is more than capable of 30 series

it boils down instead to if the cpu is too slow to run the gpu at full speed or not

[barren trout]

@odd siren I gotcha

[near wind]

how come amazon have in stock 4080 super msrp

but not newegg

[livid idol]

Because they restock at different times

[olive bobcat]

And this is why I stick with 1

[rugged thunder]

So true

[near wind]

4080 super trinity black got restock

msrp

[raven wharf]

random thought

who is the new like EVGA of gpus

since everybody seems to of loved evga for their gpus

is there another existing gpu brand that stands out for what evga stood out for

amd intel or nvidia

[livid idol]

Sapphire is one of the best brands for AMD cards

Nvidia is so restrictive, all the brands are basically the same

[vital oriole]

Asrock? I guess?

Not as good customer service as evga but

They tend to be the cheapest, or cheaper option

Yet delivering beyond the asking price

Stand out in a way

[random walrus]

Their lower end cooler is so ugly, but in fairness is usually one of the cheapest variants

[odd siren]

sapphire

not even a debate

it's sapphire 1000%

[green harness]

There isn't one really imo

[hot bough]

Unfortunately I agree. Simping wise I'd guess Zotac Nvidia or Sapphire AMD. No clue on what Intel's market is like.

[odd siren]

Zotac is kinda based af this gen with their refurb store

A lot like evga b stock of old

They get a lot of hate for the fans they use but I kinda lowkey agree with that take

[olive bobcat]

I had an evga 1080

Performed much better than expected

Miss that workhorse

[livid idol]

Zotac 30 series was... Bad. You'd need to replace the thermal pads immediately after purchase to avoid overheating on cards with GDDR6X. And that's assuming they remembered to put pads in the first place.