graphics-cards

[raven wharf]

some of the YTs have done some questionable things

[wicked hound]

Nothing highly scandalous per say, but there has been a fair amt of noteworthy-ish controversy

[raven wharf]

also since this technically is the gpu section is there an updated version of this anywhere

[odd siren]

yes

My brain]

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-mighty-omega-gif-22253898

[odd siren]

(We're working on it)

[wicked hound]

soon™️

[odd siren]

jeez that skew though

I'm a radeon simp but there's a fair bit of radeon simping going on in that THW chart

[hot bough]

that chart hurts my eyes....'

I feel that there could've been a better way to do it.

[odd siren]

what like

dark mode?

[raven wharf]

omg

[hot bough]

Not that.

[raven wharf]

yes

make it dark mode

[odd siren]

I could rn

brb

watch

[hot bough]

Just the way it's all spread out, I feel there is a way to make it more clean and compact.

[wicked hound]

transparent mode

[hot bough]

Not sure how exactly.

[odd siren]

oh wtfd

nvm

they removed freaking invert from paint

screw you microsoft

jokes on them I have CREATIVE APPS

[odd siren]

dun dacka dunnn

why is mine like

grey and yours black

weirdge

Photoshop weirdge

[wicked hound]

Cuz I dont use the fire known as PS

[odd siren]

Hey PS is good

I've used it for almost half my life now lol

I'm thinking of switching tho

[wicked hound]

Krita+Gimp combo > PS
No it's totally not cuz I hate Adobe with a passion

[odd siren]

It's not worth the insane price yearly much anymore

[odd siren]

understandable

[hot bough]

well I am gonna hop off for the night, moving homes tomorrow.

See y'all late tomorrow or Monday.

🤞 my pc has no crashes over night.

[wicked hound]

That said Krita actually does everything I need it to usually. Rarely need the funner features of PS, which is mainly better object detection for selections.

[odd siren]

object detection isn't make or break for me

it's more masking and hdr toning

If I can't have that I don't want anything else

[wicked hound]

Also back to terrible images, here is transparent mode

[odd siren]

💀

[wicked hound]

Krita does support HDR stuff, dont really know about HDR toning specifically

[plush garden]

@odd siren is the ryzen 9 7900 better then the ryzen 7 7800x3d

[vital oriole]

not in gaming

[plush garden]

So you think I should get the 7800x3d to compare with my 4070ti super?

[plush garden]

Or what you thinking

[vital oriole]

yeah

7800x3d is the best value for gaming cpu atm

[plush garden]

Ok

[odd siren]

I'd go 4070 Super intead imo

you don't get 30% more performance for 30% more cash

or go 7900XT

7900XT is a little bit better than 4070 Ti Super

[vital oriole]

mhm

[odd siren]

especially in COD

you know, the game you want to play...lol

[vital oriole]

cod? a lot faster on rdna 3

[odd siren]

way faster

pretty big difference @plush garden

and the 7900XT has gotten faster with driver maturity as well

[raven wharf]

does 6950xt slot in between those two

[odd siren]

no

oh

uh

for that game? probably yes

[vital oriole]

6950xt is sad in any other games tho

compared to 4070 super

and 7900xt surely is a step above both

[odd siren]

overall perf it's slightly better

[vital oriole]

sad as in being meh value

[odd siren]

(the 7900XT)

[vital oriole]

you could get 6950xt for 600 and justify it if you like radeon a lot for some reason

but frankly

4070s or 7900xt

[odd siren]

imo yeah

if the 4070TI was down dummy cheap like

sub 730

it would be considerable

[vital oriole]

ye

[odd siren]

but 7900xt is 730

so

[raven wharf]

What

I thought it was a beast

In like

Everything

Besides RT

[vital oriole]

it is still strong

but 4070s exists

with same raster

and 600 bucks

which price matches the 6950xt

[raven wharf]

Welp I got mine for 650

I’m sure when I get it installed I won’t have any complaints

[vital oriole]

yeah and that's fine at the time 4070s didn't exist

im not saying it's bad

just that the context changed if you're buying now

if you bought it before 4070 super

yeah, enjoy it

[raven wharf]

I will prob stick to AMD for awhile

I can’t see myself using nvidia for anything since I purely game

And don’t use RT

Is 7800 XT better than 4070s

[vital oriole]

no

slower

[raven wharf]

Is it at all comparable?

It’s cheaper with more vram

[vital oriole]

actually not much cheaper last i checked

so yeah

4070s

im not saying it out of bias, it's simply a fact that market changed recently

[raven wharf]

It’s strange seeing you guys recommend nvidia cards

Especially current gen

[vital oriole]

it's to do with nvidia doing it better

and radeon not moving

but that's thanks to rdna 3 for beating the crap out of nvidia in value lmao

[raven wharf]

600 for the midrange is still insane I really hope things come down in the future when I upgrade in a few years

[vital oriole]

i wouldn't say it's midrange myself

but it's relative i guess

6950xt/3090/3090ti tier is still pretty potent

still high end in my view

last gen flagships

[raven wharf]

How come the new 6900 XTs all but vanished but the new 6950XTs were still in stock

Did they replace them in production with the 6950

Like I found a brand new 6950 2 weeks ago

Last time I saw a brand new 6900 XT was probably September of last year

[vital oriole]

i guess so

[odd siren]

$/fps yes

So

I have to give my two cents here

I'm getting really ticked off with Nvidia rn

Every single time I try to update now the pc just tanks itself

Specifically nvidia drivers and not anything else

It doesn't happen on any other card but my Ada card

I've also noticed it's been corrupting my mouse driver whenever it happens

So my mouse shuts off constantly if I don't fix that too

Idk if that's somehow related but it's irking me almost enough to say I'm probably ditching nvidia next-gen

Ok this is starting to really piss me off now

It's doing it even with DDU

[hallow imp]

Hi all

How much a Aorus Master 3070 8GB used only for Gaming, can be sold on the market?

I am thinking 350 dollars when I bought it 1200 in 4 years ago

[odd siren]

300-ish

Model doesn't really matter

Maybe a little higher than 300

Depends, the market's low end shifted upwards a little bit, it may have boosted used cards up in value a bit more

I haven't checked in a bit

300 may even be an overestimate

Go look in r/hardwareswap and search 3070

Anything in the last like, month or so

Take an average price from that

[fading glacier]

because current gen is better price/perfomance than amd, plus amd is doing nothing to challenge nvidia rn

i mean the super gen

bois here arent brand biased, they try to recommend the best regardless of brand

unlike c****r server 😛

[raven wharf]

I mean before the supers

It 7800 XT/7900s were always a go to recommendation

Atleast from what I saw

[livid idol]

Nvidia was charging way too much to call it competitive and they were bleeding market share, but the new supers slotting in at the same price as the old cards (or lower for 4080S) makes them a decent recommendation again

Performance per dollar is close enough on competing cards to justify the nvidia tax for features

[keen nacelle]

7800xt/7900xt/xtx still better value

raster wise anyways

[livid idol]

Pure raster yes, but if people are willing to pay more for the nvidia features the price is close enough now. DLSS is often better quality than FSR and better ray tracing are some of the major points.

[keen nacelle]

yeah fair, 4070 ti is only $20 more than 7900xt rn

4070 super is decently better than 7800xt for 100 more

[raven wharf]

If you just game with rast and need extra vram 7800 is a good option imo

[fading glacier]

kinda, yeah

but for a bit more i can have the nvidia premium stuff so now is a good time to do it

extra vram for gaming is still pretty niche

very few need more than 8, and those can be sated with 12

btw what happened to your 6950? your name shows 6700 now o.O

rma? 😦

[livid idol]

There're several games now that can fill 8gb of vram at 1440p, so if your target resolution is 1440p or higher in those high detail games then it could be worth it for the extra vram

[keen nacelle]

I'm really hoping the rumors are true of xtx perf at 400-600

That gen will be my upgrade if so

[raven wharf]

too fat

[odd siren]

Similar

Price/perf on supers are similar to RX 7000 Series

But it depends what you measure ofc

That said, a lot of people would prefer an nvidia card (For ✨REASONS✨ ) so it's easy enough to recommend the supers

[junior locust]

You mean marketing
Literally just influencers lmfao

[vital oriole]

Nvidia has mindshare

They don't need to hire anyone, it's just natural at this point

[livid idol]

There does seem to be a not insignificant percentage of people that will not even consider AMD even though it might be $300 more (like XTX vs 4080)

[vital oriole]

ya

And that works very well for Nvidia

[woeful stump]

So I have this 5700xt. Now a days it’s shuts off. While gaming

Cant say if it overheated or is a psu problem

[gritty cloud]

is it normal for my memory to spike to 9501 mhz randomly or is something wrong

[keen nacelle]

What?

[heady turtle]

Yeah that's might be normal on a gpu depending on which gpu and how you're tracking it

[gritty cloud]

i got a 3080 and im using afterburner to track

[heady turtle]

Sounds about right ye

[livid idol]

Run hwinfo or use rtss overlay (afterburner) while you're playing and you can check temps to see if that's the problem.

[livid idol]

If you're looking at it while idle on the desktop that's perfectly normal. Most of the time "idle" still has some things in the background that can cause short bursts of GPU activity. During that short activity, the GPU goes into a higher power mode momentarily.

[terse canyon]

Thoughts on RTX 4060

[fading glacier]

bad card, bad value, bad performance

[livid idol]

It's a 3060 but worse because smaller vram size and lower speed

[terse canyon]

Whats a good graphics card to pair with an i5 13400

[fading glacier]

that cpu can be paired with any modern gpu, the real question is... how much is your budget foir a gpu?

[livid idol]

Depends on the budget, that could handle up to a 4080/7900 XTX

And the resolution you're gaming at matters too

[keen nacelle]

Do you already have it?

And what is your budget for the whole build? Or the gpu, if you already have the build

[terse canyon]

I got a pc from my cousin and it has a RTX 4060 with an i513400f

Im thinking of changing only the gpu

Since i seen 4060 is bad

[keen nacelle]

4060 is fine. If you didn't own it already I would not suggest it, but its a fine gpu.

There is certainly better, but what are the other specs of the pc? Do you know what ram and power supply it has?

[livid idol]

It certainly wouldn't be good for pushing a large 240hz monitor

[terse canyon]

Ram is Kingston Fury RGB 16GB DDR5 5600MHz

[terse canyon]

What is the best hz option for that?

[livid idol]

Depends on what you're playing because a lot of games can't get 200 fps no matter what

[terse canyon]

What if i play on low settings tho

[livid idol]

Low settings on what

[terse canyon]

For example on valorant

[livid idol]

You could get good fps with competitive settings in esports games but not at 1440p, you'd be looking more at 1080p which I wouldn't do more than 24" with. If you sit far away (3 ft/1M) from your screen you can do 27".

[terse canyon]

So a 32 inch isn’t a good option?

[livid idol]

Most pros use weird resolutions on a 1080p monitor so large screens are usually not used

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/8kNxFT,xNTZxr/

[terse canyon]

Can you help me find a 27inch with good hz?

[livid idol]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/JgCFf7,fWkWGX/

[terse canyon]

And also what is your take on curved monitors?

[keen nacelle]

Upgrading that would give you a huge boost

[keen nacelle]

Do you play games competitively for money

If not, I would not bother with an almost $300 1080p monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DbvNDZ

I would do that ram and monitor. And if you decide to upgrade your gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W6QKHx/msi-g272qpf-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-g272qpf

[terse canyon]

Yea i do play for money i also want to play on competitive settings

[keen nacelle]

Oh damn alright. Then those are good options for you

[keen nacelle]

Also big thing

Ram overclocking (ram tuning) is HUGE on ddr5, and it makes a massive difference for competitive play

Spending around ~10 minutes in bios can massively impact your frame drops and 1% lows

That kit I linked above is the best ddr5 for tuning (that isn't insanely priced)

[terse canyon]

Alright i’ll change the ram as soon as possible

I think later on i’ll just build my own pc and sell this one

But for now i’ll use this one that i have

So for now im just looking for a good monitor for this setup

[terse canyon]

Will this Asus monitor be a good choice?

[keen nacelle]

If 24" is fine
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xNTZxr/dell-g2524h-245-1920-x-1080-280-hz-monitor-g2524h

Otherwise what fal linked earlier

[keen nacelle]

.

[terse canyon]

Alright thanks for y’all’s help. I really appreciate it.

[livid idol]

Curved monitors are usually VA panels, which have worse response times and color accuracy than IPS. Gamers on a budget usually want IPS.

[craggy pier]

I just wrote out a whole friggen response about VA IPS and TN panels but apparently i said a naughty swear word (how preposterous!!) And it just deleted it and scolded me

Im in pain

[livid idol]

Hang on

[odd siren]

What be your request

Good sir

[craggy pier]

My request?

[livid idol]

IPS is pretty much superior to VA in every way except the fact VA has darker blacks at a trade off of lower colour accuracy and "sucky" viewing angles. TN has better refresh rates and overall better response time to signals, at the trade off for visual downgrades moreso than VA, an almost budget gamery type option. Both TN and VA are cheaper than IPS by a sizeable amount depending on your PPI and such

[odd siren]

The genie will grant one wi-

Nvm he posted it

[raven wharf]

lmao

[craggy pier]

My wish has been granted woo

[spare relic]

ggle

https://tenor.com/view/rambunctious-kitten-upside-down-bounce-boing-boing-gif-10425854891232265125

[odd siren]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-kitty-cute-wiggle-shimmy-gif-12669258

[raven wharf]

how is your 4050ti treating you

i never asked

[odd siren]

It plows the fields perfectly

[hot bough]

why 4050 ti with 7950x3D?

[craggy pier]

Why not

[odd siren]

Boys

4050 Ti

[hot bough]

just curious

[odd siren]

Doesn't exist

[hot bough]

oh xD

[raven wharf]

i know that

[odd siren]

They don't

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-big-brain-time-you-at-school-meme-gif-17237588

[hot bough]

i have not been keeping up

[keen nacelle]

You didn't see the announcement?

[raven wharf]

your pfp makes more sense though lol

[hot bough]

out of curiosity, what gpu do you use

[keen nacelle]

It was like two hours ago, nvidia posted it on X

[odd siren]

That's a 4050

[craggy pier]

Tbf i dont even like nvidia 😭

[odd siren]

If I integrate a turbo then it's an unofficial 4050 Ti

[raven wharf]

4050 tr

[odd siren]

(turbo intercooler)

[craggy pier]

Wait thats actually great

[keen nacelle]

Wait I'm blind

Ignore me

[craggy pier]

Will do 🙏

[keen nacelle]

FELIX

ASUS PRIME HAS BLACK CABLES

[odd siren]

Yes

It also has a black side

You can flip it for colour choice

[keen nacelle]

I thought the whole reason we liked it was white cables

[odd siren]

Yeah no that psu continues to half disappoint me

[keen nacelle]

$100 psu w white braided cables

[raven wharf]

speaking of colors

why is noctua like

[keen nacelle]

Sadge

[raven wharf]

brown and tan

[keen nacelle]

Theyre stuck in 2008

[odd siren]

It's their shtick from 2001

[raven wharf]

i feel like it has to be just for brand recognition

[odd siren]

Or whenever they came out

[craggy pier]

Imma be honest, beige is fire

I love when my computer looks like i stained it with coffee

[odd siren]

If you want noctua without noctua colours, get thermalright

[keen nacelle]

Apparently the year I was born, 2005

[odd siren]

(this is unironically true)

[raven wharf]

2005 gang

what month

[keen nacelle]

Has noctua ever done aios?

September

[raven wharf]

boo

march

[odd siren]

I don't pay enough attention to them

[keen nacelle]

Felix is old he's like 1998

I think

[odd siren]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-wind-fire-september-21st-do-you-remember-21st-night-gif-18534597

[raven wharf]

damn lol

straight up just said it

[odd siren]

I'm used to it

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

[keen nacelle]

(26 isn't old at all)

[craggy pier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

I love this cooler

[keen nacelle]

I dont consider my 50 yo parents old

[odd siren]

Ye that's a good one

[keen nacelle]

I think like 60+ is old

[odd siren]

I just sneezed like a banshee good god

Someone's talking about me

[keen nacelle]

Check out the phantom spirit evo

[craggy pier]

Thats still hangin onto middle aged

[raven wharf]

i hope when im 50 i have a radeon 15900 XTX

[craggy pier]

Looks pretty good for a 10 dollar difference

[keen nacelle]

That'd be old news by then

[odd siren]

It's slightly better

[keen nacelle]

Phantom spirit (non evo) is also $36 and looks nice too

The evo is the same as phantom spirit but it has premium fans, b12s iirc?

[odd siren]

Mhm

K12

B12's but rgb

[keen nacelle]

Ahh

[odd siren]

Which are a12x25's in a decent colour

[keen nacelle]

Phantom spirit is a marginal amount better than pa120

[craggy pier]

As a i dont wanna put rgb on everything enjoyer

The reg sounds good

[odd siren]

The reg fans they generally ship are c12c's which are solid

But not quite a12 tier

[keen nacelle]

Same here and that's why I love the evo. Clean asf, good, and cheap

[odd siren]

So you think like, T30, P28, A12 etc

Just below that

It's really impressive how in a short time thermalright now have a huge selection of basically goated cooling

Even their $60 aios slap

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, it started right after ak620 was amazing

[odd siren]

(on the right cpu)

[craggy pier]

For me its a matter of power effeciency than cooling with my setup really since i wanna save where i can (stock cooler would work but tis noisy)

[keen nacelle]

It's been basically a year

And they now dominate the cooler market

[odd siren]

P12 >>>>

They use like 0.08A per fan

[keen nacelle]

P12 p14 pog

[craggy pier]

I honestly might buy one just for the hell of it tbh

[odd siren]

If you wanted the most...power efficient setup

Hmm

7800x3d

4070

[keen nacelle]

Not 4070s?

[odd siren]

Thermalright assassin king iirc

No

Power efficiency

A solid psu like c750

B650m

[craggy pier]

I dont think a 7800xt is too worried about power effeciency 😭

[keen nacelle]

Would probably want a Plat psu for efficiency?

[keen nacelle]

Honestly have a valid reason to go 4070 there.

[odd siren]

I wouldn't spend the money on plat

But yes

Ax1600i would be king

[vital oriole]

4070 super?

[odd siren]

Or rather

Ax1200i

Higher tier psu will waste power on filled capacitance

[keen nacelle]

Ah yeah cheapest Plat psu is 120

[craggy pier]

Eh i prefer the small jump in performance

[odd siren]

Then a low power ssd like p41 plus

I'm curious

Ima make list

Lol

[keen nacelle]

I think 7800xt really likes an undervolt too

[craggy pier]

Really?

[odd siren]

AAAAA

[craggy pier]

Oop

[odd siren]

I looked at the price when I finished

Don't look at the price

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/47LfGP

[craggy pier]

I looked at the price

[odd siren]

I'd never recommend a 4070 ever

Except in this one obscure example where one wants the most power efficiency

[craggy pier]

And slightly better raytracing ig

Still not worth in my eyes

[odd siren]

7800xt uses like 20% more power

So like yeah, I like recc'ing AMD? But in this one scenario they do have the back foot

[craggy pier]

Good point

[odd siren]

If this was a value situation I'd 100% never ever pick 4070

There's just so many innate issues with it

[keen nacelle]

4070 at 535 was easier to stomach

[odd siren]

Nope

This is 530

It's still bad

It was barely good at 500 from MC

If you're doing worse than 4060ti you aren't doing well at all

Can I just interject as well

I just noticed

How freaking high

That 7700xt is

Wtf

[craggy pier]

The fact the 4070 super is 50 bucks more than the reg

Why would you even buy a reg 4070

Besides the power thing like ya mentioned ig

[odd siren]

I steered so many people off the 4070

Not because of anything else except that it was one of the worst recc's from Nvidia to date

[craggy pier]

People still buy it unfortunately

[odd siren]

The biggest problem with it is the bit bus

If the bit bus was better (and for 4070s it is) then I'd probably not feel as strongly against it

That card dies in anything not 1080p or 1440p games

128bit bus was a disgusting choice

[craggy pier]

720p

[hot bough]

Finally got the drivers installed.

[craggy pier]

With the whole power effeciency thing tho, i wonder what the most value for power effeciency would look like

[odd siren]

You can see how much the bit bus hurts it at 4k

Hurts a LOT of 40 series

[craggy pier]

Yikes, yeah

[odd siren]

And 4070S is the only card competing

Because it holds up

[hot bough]

Why are 4090 gpus now above $2000?

[craggy pier]

How does a 4070 super compare against the 7800xt?

[odd siren]

Hell 4070 Ti isn't the best either, it gets closer to some $11/fps

At 730-ish

Which we like to suggest

[craggy pier]

Dont see anyone else reaching its performance

[odd siren]

But that puts it at 11-ish

Better than the 4070 ti super

That's if 4gb more vram doesn't bother you

[hot bough]

Any news on RTX 5000 series?

[odd siren]

They have been for quite a while.

[odd siren]

$/fps about equal tbh

In a situation where I can suggest either, I lean towards 4070S

[hot bough]

ooof. Been out of touch with the tech market last few months.

[odd siren]

But if I can't quite stretch to 4070S, I like recc'ing 7800XT

[craggy pier]

I jumped from a 6800 to 7800xt initially since i liked the value

[odd siren]

It's an important denotion to remember btw, past the mid range, the cost per frame is traditionally intended to scale down towards less value for the more you spend

Counter intuitive to jensens famous line

"THE MORE YOU BUY, THE MORE YOU SAVE"

💀💀💀

40 series also sought to normalise this trend

[craggy pier]

Biggest lie in existence 👀

[odd siren]

Until supers dropped

[keen nacelle]

It's worse this gen, last gen 3080 was $800 less than 3090 and around 10% worse. This gen, 4080 was $400 less and 30% worse

[odd siren]

Yes

[odd siren]

i.e, spend 25% less than 4090, get 25% less performance

[craggy pier]

Honestly people like yall make it so easy to keep track of the market 😭

[odd siren]

Spend 50% less (4070 Ti) get 50% less performance

Etc etc

[keen nacelle]

I'm REALLY hoping this isn't the new normal.

[odd siren]

AMD is trying to break that trend

[keen nacelle]

Theyre doing a 16 series

[odd siren]

Next gen they're rumouring 4080 perf for, was it 600?

[keen nacelle]

And I love it (hopefully)

[keen nacelle]

400-600 ye

[odd siren]

I've been duped enough times to take a non-biased standpoint 90% of the time

I'm still bias to the underdog I admit it

But it's mainly because people don't like the idea of the underdog (see nvidia vs amd)

[craggy pier]

People who say they arent biased are probably biased anyways tbh

[odd siren]

I am a little

I have been using radeon for a couple years now

[hot bough]

I try not to be biased.

[odd siren]

And it's been arguably as good as nvidia for me

If not lately better, driver wise

[craggy pier]

Im not entirely fond of capitalism's functions, but by god if a competitor is gonna save me money from a greedy corperation no way in hell am i not tryna fund the comp

[odd siren]

But perf wise sure, nvidia still has it's ups

[hot bough]

Agreed.

[keen nacelle]

I dont think I am. My standpoint is nvidia does have some extra features that some people might care for, but beyond $40 or so it's not really worth it

[odd siren]

To give context, last 4 driver updates have been completely broken on my 4090

Yet my XTX is the same and completely fine

XTX needs another repaste tho

[keen nacelle]

But if they aren't being used or amd has better performance for what's being done (like solidworkds, cad, COD) 100%

[odd siren]

Regular paste doesn't cut it for 7000 series btw @craggy pier

Get ptm7950

[hot bough]

isn't XTX like less then two years old?

[odd siren]

Regular paste dries out

Yes

[keen nacelle]

Both gens had early issues though.

[hot bough]

How does it need paste already?

[odd siren]

Because I put it on a waterblock

[keen nacelle]

Pretty big ones too

[hot bough]

Ahhh okay.

[odd siren]

Early gen 40 series was better

[keen nacelle]

Ye

[odd siren]

But 7000 was waaayyyy better than 6000

[craggy pier]

Didnt know that tbh

[odd siren]

And then

6000 got wayyy better too

And now it just feels like AMD has cracked the egg finally

[keen nacelle]

I miss $310 6700xt and $215 6650xt

Low end of buying new has gotten kinda depressing though

[odd siren]

$120 5700XT >>>>>

$150 2070S >>>>

[keen nacelle]

Having a used 5700xt I'd rather have the 6650xt

[odd siren]

I wouldn't

Not for double the money

Maybe if all I did was dx12 and nanite perhaps

[keen nacelle]

That kinda goes for every tier except very high end though

[odd siren]

Yes

I'd rather a $450 3080 ti than $530 4070

Or $550 6950XT than $730 4070 Ti

It all reciprocates for sure

But that's the beauty in used

Get a nice used 12600K on the cheap and a used ddr4 board

Carry over your old 32gb

So many ways to do it and get good mid tier performance

We're past the new gen bump almost for platform

So these things will get easier on the used market

[craggy pier]

I know overclocking isnt as good as it used to be, but would there be any point in doing so on a 7800xt?

[odd siren]

7800XT I've heard scales a lot with OC

But it's a sample thing

AMD cards fare a lot more stable stock most of the time

You can get a lot of driver resets playing with OC, but the results on the other hand can be really good

If you save your settings it's a small hindrance for more perf if you want it

[craggy pier]

Idk how much overclocking would affect the longevity of a card, safe to say i dont know much about how overclocking works 😔

[odd siren]

Nothing really

AMD cards almost all adhere to reference and tend to be built well for 7000 series

XTX iirc uses like a 21 stage vrm when it could work on like 12 stages

Something ridiculous like that

If you clock up the power, I'd expect, like any candle wick burning brighter, may have a slightly reduced life

But I'd say not in the scope you'd think it'd be

Something very exaggerated imo

[craggy pier]

Good to know tbh, i kinda assumed it had a more sizable impact

[odd siren]

Not really, as long as you stick to healthy limits

There are people who daily 700W on XTX

And they're fine

[keen nacelle]

The only thing to be weary of is fans, don't run them at 85+ for extended periods of time. My dumb ass ran mine at high speeds 18-24 hours for a good few months before I found out I was killing the fans longevity. They're not expensive to replace luckily but it's annoying and I don't want to deal with it

[odd siren]

Yeah fans are reasonable to expect to die the more you run them

[keen nacelle]

But aside from the fans my 3060 ti is perfectly fine after I mined with it with a +1350mhz vram oc

[odd siren]

And if you have a sapphire card, replacing them is dead easy

[craggy pier]

I dont have my card yet atm but its a hellhound so idk how it deals with fans

[keen nacelle]

Felix yknow how my gpus having temp issues and its likely the paste?

[odd siren]

Hellhound are decent

[random walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/shellshock-thousand-yard-stare-what-wtf-bro-gif-13085994373754983931

[keen nacelle]

I mined with it for like a year. Im an idiot.

[random walrus]

high speeds 18-24 hours

[odd siren]

Sure (I forgor 💀)

[keen nacelle]

Obviously it needs paste

[keen nacelle]

Crypto mining

Made like $1100 from it

[random walrus]

I mined on both my 2060 and 3060ti and neither were at that high of a fan speed

[keen nacelle]

Yeah no... I realized after a few months and brought it way down

I think to either 55% or 65% idr

[craggy pier]

Is mining still worth it?

[keen nacelle]

I wasn't the brightest when I started mining

Nah not at all

[craggy pier]

Im sure its plenty drained now

[keen nacelle]

It's not that, it's that ethereum had a change about a year ago in the way its traded

[random walrus]

$1100 more than enough to replace some fans tho

[craggy pier]

Oh alright

[keen nacelle]

Mining is doing equations for the old way it was being traded. You got a small profit by your gpu doing the workload for those equations

[random walrus]

(proof of work)

[keen nacelle]

That's all I remember

[random walrus]

ETH is now proof of stake

[keen nacelle]

Instead of proof of share?

I dont remember the other name

[random walrus]

^

[odd siren]

Proof of work innit

Welp

[keen nacelle]

What's the name of what it was before

[spare relic]

O

I'll prove your work in a second

[keen nacelle]

Oh

I did not see this

Yes

[craggy pier]

I know next to nothing about crypto and mining so im gonna pretend like im following

[spare relic]

cypto bypto

[random walrus]

all you really need to understand is that mining is no longer relevant

[craggy pier]

Yea i gathered that part when bacca said it is no longer relevant

[random walrus]

at least not gpu workload mining, I think there's some other weird stuff with hotspots but idk if that's legit or not

[keen nacelle]

Yeah you can bandwidth share, but meh

And ai workloads

3060 ti makes like one dollar a day I think. It doesn't seem very profitable lol

[craggy pier]

Id rather flip burgers then set that up ong

[odd siren]

Guys

Just need to make it clear

Mining is no longer relevant

[craggy pier]

The thing im glad isnt relevant anymore is NFTs

[odd siren]

That was just the world performing a worldwide IQ test

Needless to say you're here so you weren't affected

[random walrus]

blockchain tech actually has some good uses but of course it gets used for monkey pictures and dogecoin

[craggy pier]

Nah i spent half a million dollars on a picture of a monkey with a fedora and sued a homeless man for making it his pfp

Now im curious what the most expensive nft was

[odd siren]

They got up into the millions afaik

And entrepeneurs were trying to withhold and resell

[keen nacelle]

Almost 92 million

[random walrus]

that's when you know it was most likely for tax evasion purposes lol

[craggy pier]

This

This was 92 million

Are people actually just

That dumb

[vital oriole]

tax write offs

[random walrus]

no; rich people just don't like paying taxes

[vital oriole]

i guess

yeah rich people will find any way to avoid taxes

[craggy pier]

Makes sense

They need all that money

For what idk

[odd siren]

Wait till you see the grey version

[craggy pier]

Sounds premium

[vital oriole]

for another yacht i guess

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/fan-gif-26531416

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, better to spend 200 million on random things that don't serve any purpose or bring you any jou you just forget about after hitting buy than pay 10 million in taxes.

We love America

[vital oriole]

yeah

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/peepy-happy-peepy-peepy-plushie-plushie-plushie-toy-gif-6362722913262720274

[craggy pier]

Those are the same people who make "motivational" stories about how they used to flip burgers and inherited their parents fortune built a company from the ground up

Shoot

How do you the cross out thing

Lol

[craggy pier]

Ty ty

[odd siren]

~~ a ~~

Wot

Oh whoa I can add spaces too

TIL

[spare relic]

~~ wow ~~

~~ ~~

[craggy pier]

~~ ~~

[spare relic]

buh

[craggy pier]

The interesting things in life, lines that come in different sizes

Oh damn

Didnt realize its 1am

Gn

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/a-mimir-eep-eepy-cat-sleep-gif-1640442240488704130

[livid idol]

More like tax havens because they could buy them and depending on the set of rules they follow they might not report them as "investments" because they purchased them as a digital "token" and not a cryptocurrency directly.
And we all know which set of rules the billionaires follow, whichever one makes them pay the least amount possible. I paid more taxes than elon musk last year.

(think along the same lines for this as offshore investment accounts in the cayman islands)

[craggy pier]

Tax the poor, feed the rich, a great philosophy that totally wouldnt put the US into 10s of trillions of dollars into debt or anything, thatd be absurd

[raven wharf]

what does that mean

[odd siren]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx/4.html

20 phase (17+3)

70A each

Ideal max power should be in the 40 - 50 amp range

Before they become too hot to run/impractical to cool

12-ish would net you about 480A

480 * 1.1V gets you about

528W

Which is just shy of XTX peak draw on like

90% of boards

And that's not accounting for board draw split between vcore and vram

So it's actually pretty much more than enough

24gb vram gddr6 isn't power hungry

Though I've never measured it, but expecting a 1-2 watts per chip isn't unreasonable

So the total split is yeah, about 12 stages would be ok

Transient spikes are up to 550W

But even shorter transients not picked up would be likely a bit higher

Not as bad as super cards

And not as spike happy as like a 4090

If you aren't following what any of this means, basically, the cards are built to, by paper, be some 1.8x over what would be considered functionally usable

A lot of nvidia cards also do this

But the difference being AMD reference is obeyed by basically every card

While on nvidia, reference hasn't been for a long time, founders, and all cards need to meet or exceed reference spec

That said, reference spec is usually fine too

Just in this case, radeon 7000 as a whole is engineered really well, save for a bit of cooler drama from who else but biostar

Leave it to the one company that can't really produce any half decent electronics to fail making amd reference cards as well

We should've seen it coming

[livid idol]

4 words and he got the whole book as a response

[odd siren]

Once I started I couldn't stop

[raven wharf]

I’m gonna… read that tomorrow after I get some sleep I think

[livid idol]

I think part of the reason it's so overbuilt is that AMD was considering doing the same thing as nvidia, and just slamming as much power into the chip as it would take, reliability be damned. They settled for a mere 450W instead.

[odd siren]

I can't be sure

If you push enough power into it, there's the precedent that it's possible yeah

But then we get into the amazing discussion of cooling power needed

And as we all know

Those 4090's, 4080's...

The xtx reference cards are quite small in comparison and understandably loud

[craggy pier]

Ask a techie a question and be damned if you dont get a full thorough explanation of every detail surrounding it

[raven wharf]

I GOT IT TO FIT

[raven wharf]

But the back isn’t lining up??

[spare relic]

chungy

tbh that's just what pcie brackets do

they're a little off but they're what's used to secure it in place

[livid idol]

Lift the right side up slightly, it's just sagging under its own weight a bit

Once it's screwed in it won't be as bad but you'll still want extra support

[raven wharf]

I didn’t even realize it was sagging, doing that did it

[raven wharf]

I don’t have a dedicated gpu holder

Is there anything temporary you’d recommend

[livid idol]

A couple lego bricks does the trick

[raven wharf]

lol fr

[livid idol]

Anything that'll prop up that right side

[raven wharf]

Don’t make me go get my Lego box out lol

[livid idol]

Yeah lego is a totally valid option. It's very sturdy.

[raven wharf]

Let me go see what I have

I got it screwed in and fitted so I am very happy

I had to take my cpu cooler off to angle the thing into the case

[livid idol]

It does look like a tight fit

[raven wharf]

There’s room

[spare relic]

it's always a tight fit

[raven wharf]

@livid idol I almost got stuff put back together I am just trying to put the stupid fan back in the tower

Cause it’s one that clips

@livid idol do these look all the way in to you

[spare relic]

look at it from the side

[livid idol]

The one on the left is good but the one on the right looks like it could go in more

[spare relic]

if it looks like this it's not connected

like that it should be connected

[raven wharf]

They kinda look like they are up but I can’t move them any further

I think that’s how they looked before

[spare relic]

they might be latched idk fuzzy pic

[raven wharf]

Sorry my phone isn’t the best

[livid idol]

What is up with your camera, yeah it's fuzzy

[spare relic]

it is what it is lol

[raven wharf]

They are pushed in as far as I think I can push them

So I’m just gonna say it’s good

[livid idol]

It's not going to melt like 12VHPWR at least

[raven wharf]

lol

[spare relic]

does look like it's latched from here

[livid idol]

That old 8 pin standard has such a large margin for error you could push all the wattage through one 8 pin

I've seen people push 1kW through 2x8 pin

[spare relic]

lol

[livid idol]

Ok I think I see the problem. The 6 pin isn't going in all the way because the 2 pins are blocking it a little

Pull the 2 pins back a bit and push the whole thing back in

[wicked hound]

Fuzzy cuz it isnt focused, likely due to you being too close

Plug farther away is fine in fidelity

[spare relic]

isn't the 2 pin supposed to be pushed in by the 6

[livid idol]

Yes

But in that pic you can see the 2 pins are flush but the other 6 aren't

On the right side connector

[spare relic]

oh I forgot the lower part is part of the cable plug

[raven wharf]

Let’s gooooo

[livid idol]

Moment of truth: Does it benchmark

[raven wharf]

um

i should prob do drivers

and also i only have 750w psu

[livid idol]

That's fine

[raven wharf]

how do I do drivers

just go to xfx and find them

?

[livid idol]

amd

[raven wharf]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6000-series/amd-radeon-rx-6900-series/amd-radeon-rx-6950-xt

?

[livid idol]

Yes

[raven wharf]

do i have to uninstall anything from my 6700xt

[livid idol]

Technically no but if you have issues that would be the first thing to try

In which case you come here and say

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[raven wharf]

anything special i should do here?

[livid idol]

Oh and the latest driver from AMD includes AFMF (frame gen) that you can enable on every DX11/DX12 game

You could do the factory reset option

[raven wharf]

i remember when i had issues with my 6700xt that option was always greyed out

it lets me now

[livid idol]

I think they fixed the bug related to it a couple updates ago

[raven wharf]

so should I select it and hit next

[livid idol]

Yep

[raven wharf]

keep user settings?

[livid idol]

Nah

[raven wharf]

im gonna ask 20,000 questions sorry im not trying to have issues like i did last time

?

[livid idol]

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/AMD-privacy-view

Uses your camera to eye track I think

[raven wharf]

i dont have one

so

ill just skip

[livid idol]

ye

[raven wharf]

all of them?

[livid idol]

Install

yes

[raven wharf]

👍

[raven wharf]

okay im back

it installed and i restarted

[livid idol]

Let's see that time spy run then

[livid idol]

Beautiful

Exactly where you should be with stock settings

[raven wharf]

the fans got so loud lol

thought my pc was gonna take off

what a beast of a card though

[livid idol]

Your graphics score matches my 3080 ti when I overclocked it in a subzero environment so I'd say that's a win

Beat the hell out of the garbage tier 3090 I had too

[raven wharf]

oh really

thats wild

i checked adrenalin software during one of the tests and it was pulling 303 watts

most i ever saw my 6700 xt do was like 180ish

[livid idol]

Yeah that 3090 was awful, the memory was constantly overheating and it couldn't pull enough power to run at full tilt, so it struggled. Best it got was 19.8k.

[raven wharf]

how can I adjust power draw and fan curve

id like it to draw a little less power and fans to be quieter

[livid idol]

You can do that in AMD software actually

It's in Adrenalin under Performance > Tuning

Or go with the tried and true Afterburner

[raven wharf]

if thats a setting i dont see it

[livid idol]

Manual tuning on the right

If you want you can try the "undervolt gpu" option under automatic tuning and you'll pull less power and have less heat from that

[raven wharf]

is that all it is?

i clicked it

i said okay

and it said it was good i think

[livid idol]

They tried to make overclocking easier without sacrificing too much stability. They had to compensate for being a little behind Nvidia in some things so including overclocking in the driver package was a nice free boost.

Undervolting in particular is a painful process for people. It's telling the GPU core to use less voltage to reach the same clock speed. It's pulling the same amperage still, and if you know basic electronics you know W = V x A. Lower either Voltage or Amps and you get less Watts.

[raven wharf]

undervolting did nothing

[livid idol]

Ok you can go into manual tuning and adjust things yourself then

[raven wharf]

unless i just underestimated how hot/loud 6950xt is nothing i do changes that much

[odd siren]

Xfx cards are noisy

It's pretty much the life they all lead

[odd siren]

It won't yeah, because it will still push to power limit

Power capping is how you reduce temps on RDNA 2/3

[raven wharf]

i just want to reduce noise and temps a bit

[odd siren]

But it shouldn't be terribly loud in games, should be ok

3dmark is still a stress test

[livid idol]

Most games won't push it to the power limit like stress tests do, right

[odd siren]

Yes but TS and TSE cap it harder than a lot of games

You get ups and downs

Fluctuations in draw for different scenes

[random walrus]

Auto undervolting 👀

[odd siren]

Make a custom fan curve, keep voltage stock, push the power cap down @raven wharf

Undervolting doesn't do jack

It makes the card go faster

Like pushing core clocks up in afterburner

You make a power cap first

then you can undervolt

And you may see results

Straight up undervolting is how you overclock these cards

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squidward-tentacles-spongebob-look-around-awkward-gif-496727432057798195

that seems conflicting

[odd siren]

Heh

I could spill another book answer here

💀

Think of rdna 2 a bit more like...

Ryzen overclocking

Pbo?

And curve optimiser

You set a power limit, it will throw literally everything it can to that power limit, following the voltage/clock curve (vid table)

PBO is more or less this but instead it yeets the power limit all the way

Whereas radeon does it within the power spec

So

So with radeon OC

It's just like curve optimiser

The lower you make the voltage, the more temp and boost headroom it has

So it just, goes for it

It doesn't wind down

The thing with imposing a power cap is it's a forced artificial limit below or above spec, as defined by the vbios supplied by the manu and AMD

So it forces it not to yeet itself like pbo

Ampere and turing kinda, behave a bit similarly but they also boost very differently

RDNA 3 on the other hand behaves even more so like PBO on Ryzen (clock limits don't work)

So your answer for the traditional sense of quote "undervolting" is to impose a power limit or clock limit to refuse the card to boost higher

Both things you can do on Ryzen

If you just drop the voltage slider on it's own, it will boost higher, and run as hot if not hotter

So my suggestion is, power or clock cap, custom fan curve, test.
Then, if stable, reduce voltage slightly, test, repeat

GPU undervolting can be very annoying though, as any game could be a killer for your UV profile

And AMD cards behave by far the best when they're stock

But if you save the settings as you go you can reload your profile in under a minute, so it's fine

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/math-confuse-numbers-gif-10041147

[odd siren]

Think of it this way

If you learn or have learnt PBO

You've more or less learned rdna 2 oc

[livid idol]

There's no stopping him when he gets like this. It's best to just let him get it out of his system. We all love the nerdy rants anyway.

[raven wharf]

i dont understand half of his rants though

[random walrus]

I would have assumed undervolting would work the same way as my ampere card but obviously I'm wrong lol

[odd siren]

In one way it does

But it's the boosting behaviour that sorta ruins that

Ampere overclocking best shows it's mettle when you make custom UV curves

So they kinda relate

But also don't

[livid idol]

I think you just made it worse

[odd siren]

Well the difference is ampere downclocks

Rdna just goes for broke

[random walrus]

So on ampere you basically extend the voltage/frequency curve to run the same frequency at a lower voltage

[odd siren]

Yes

Once you've yeeted everything else

You make a custom curve

[random walrus]

Does rdna just ignore this and boost power anyways?

Watts = volts * amps, so it just increases amps if you lower voltage?

[livid idol]

If it's similar to ryzen like he's saying then it'll boost as long as there's power budget and temp headroom, more temp headroom more boosty then it hits the power wall again

[random walrus]

Huh

[odd siren]

It still has PL states and a supposed curve

[vital oriole]

I like how Ada does better when undervolted

[odd siren]

But it mostly just goes for broke

[vital oriole]

Retaining perf but consuming less

[odd siren]

So like

If you go and do say a heaven stress test

Ampere will clock up and down depending on boost algorithm

Meanwhile rdna 2

Will just sit at max clock

Change up and down a little

Compared to Ampere being a lot of change

A similar boost behaviour from Nvidia would be Ada

To RDNA 2/3

Because all 3 work on voltage lock perfcap

Meanwhile, ampere, turing, pascal

All power cap afaik

But maxwell iirc voltage perfcap too

[raven wharf]

okay im sorry i still dont understand what im supposed to change to make it slightly less of a hotbox

[odd siren]

I'm happy to explain a bit better

[odd siren]

See power tuning

And fan tuning

[raven wharf]

mhm

[odd siren]

Set power tuning to minus whatever

And make a custom fan curve to your liking

Do that first

Then you can play with the other side

Change the voltage and memory slider on the left if you want to

Power capping will make it a bit slower but definitely quieter

[raven wharf]

ive never done a fan curve so idk if thats any good

[odd siren]

The other thing you can do is deshroud the gpu and put case fans on (take the outer fascia off, stick a couple C12C's or P12s on it)

[odd siren]

It's all by personal preference

[raven wharf]

i just want it a bit quieter and less hot since im in a smaller room

which is

kinda contradicting but

[odd siren]

Less hot will come from power capping

If your room is hot then the pc is cooling

[raven wharf]

what do i change here

just bump down voltage?

[odd siren]

Just voltage yeah

If you want to go the extra mile, max frequency too

But know that the latter reduces perf like the power cap did

[raven wharf]

that seems to of worked

closer to 200w and doesnt sound like its ready for take off

ill play around with it some more

its put up impressive numbers already with my new 1440p monitor so im pleased

oh cool my presets got reset

i guess ill look at it tmr

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[hot bough]

perfect gif

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confuse-confusion-im-confused-im-so-confused-gif-26555666

[hot bough]

this is what most of us are like when he rants. xD

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/knowledge-sigma-gigachad-roblox-grindset-gif-3220739371343774513

[sage jay]

https://tenor.com/bQD5P.gif

[raven wharf]

how do I save my tuning in the radeon software

[spare relic]

on the tuning tab

I believe

[raven wharf]

will I have to load that up every single time

[spare relic]

that I do not know because I'm too lazy to try it out myself

[lilac osprey]

Would you also recommend using something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/RAIJINTEK-Morpheus-Compatible-Supports-0R10B00223/dp/B0C2TYM49J/ref=asc_df_B0C2TYM49J/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=674685775564&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11780426276912033958&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010545&hvtargid=pla-2206014887715&psc=1&mcid=1055881e42e23358814179945a1dd577

Oh, actually I see that for GTX cards

[random walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/1aky5xq/i_hate_my_rx_7900_xtx/
💀

bro... by the time you hit RMA #2 that's a you issue not a factory issue

[livid idol]

2 things that would have saved a lot of headaches for him:
A better airflow case
A clean install of Windows

[vital oriole]

really a you issue

bias weighting in lmao

holy..

this dude went through 7 cards???

how the rma is still accepted is funny

[raven wharf]

i would of given up

[vital oriole]

there's so little chance you'd get 7 cards that are defective in a row

it's less than 1%

[raven wharf]

they probably just kept sending him the same one they were prob sick of him lol

[vital oriole]

"my pc is doing weird stuff, it's definitely the amd gpu"

[odd siren]

Lmfaooo

No one in the comments believe him

[vital oriole]

cuz it's so obvious he's putting blame on something that isn't the problem

[odd siren]

Oh oops

Wait there was a second word

LOL

[vital oriole]

oh

[odd siren]

Nevermind

[vital oriole]

i was reading and it went poof

bad experiences are imprinted pretty easily in people's mind

but this case seems more like his whole pc is broken

rather than a broken gpu

[odd siren]

Let me try again

Lol

"How I feel when people comment on drivers." A story in 2 paragraphs:

[random walrus]

far, far, far, less.

say there's a 1% chance a card needs to be RMA'd

(which I think is already an overestimate)

getting that 1/100 dud card 7 times in a row is a 0.000000000001% chance