graphics-cards

[vital oriole]

that's cool

[livid idol]

Jay overclocked one and got to stock 4080 perf

[vital oriole]

okay

so it's literally a 4080

in a sense ofc

[livid idol]

I want to see what a higher power limit model can do

4080 is 350W so ti super could go to, what, 320W?

[vital oriole]

no sense to buy 4080 i guess

since the super exists too

it's either 4070 TiS or 4080S

4080 if at a good discount i suppose

but nvidia just eol'd that

[odd siren]

You could also just-

Overclock 4080 or 4080S

It's just Ada, it scales well no matter what die piece you got

Reminds me of when the 3070ti dropped and people be sayin "just overclock your 3070 lul"

[vital oriole]

lol true

im talking about new buyers anyway tbh

if you have a 4080, oc it

or just keep it

no harm

[odd siren]

I'm not downplaying oc btw

By all means do it

Just, in an apples to apples example it's not very strong lol

[vital oriole]

ya ofc

[odd siren]

I too am curious how the 4070 Ti Super 80 16/12gb "super tie" scales tbh

[hasty sphinx]

I'm convinced that RDNA2 does not like me. The issues I had with the 6950xt I am having with a 6650xt. Not a stab at AMD though because just 2 days ago I was using a rx580 with no issues whatsoever in the same games I'm now having issues with.

[vital oriole]

sadge

[spark zinc]

Uh

[solid glacier]

I need a pc build for 1k for gaming and streaming

[odd siren]

@solid glacier
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mKxgKX

[nocturne nest]

best gpu to pair with a 5800x?

thats around 300-450

USD

[livid idol]

Used 3080 or 3090

If you must get new, 6800

[odd siren]

6800xt if you get lucky

3080ti

[nocturne nest]

asking for a friend

she juist changed price to 250

lmao

anything for that

price around

[odd siren]

Used 6700xt

Not really anything better tbh

[nocturne nest]

alr not terrible pricing on that

thx

[nocturne nest]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/355406435653? is this a good price for used? not related to above

[vital oriole]

it only has one pic

i don't trust that

besides

right next to that listing there's a better deal

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116025711312

wait that's a 6800

mb

[nocturne nest]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/335227275979? Thoughts on this?

same exact model i believe

but more pics

[vital oriole]

possible ex miner

but it looks clean

[nocturne nest]

Whats are indicators that it might be a ex miner?

just so i know for whenever im looking

oh

because his name is awfminer

[vital oriole]

yeah

it looks well maintained tho

[nocturne nest]

alr ill probably order this whenever my paycheck comes in

[nocturne nest]

maybe not

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156001269190? Found anotha

oh

neverrr mind

price is a bit up there

compared to the other 2

[craggy pier]

You might just be better off buying new tbh

[vital oriole]

at that price a 7800xt makes sense

[hazy ice]

does anyone know what time gpus usually drop im trying to buy a 4080 super before they sell out

[vital oriole]

jan 31

4080 supers aren't launching until the end of this month

but i doubt they will have stock issues

this year isn't ruined by covid or mining craze

[livid idol]

The exact time will vary by retailer, but it's usually later in the morning PST

[patent ice]

is the new rx7600xt worth the money?

[keen nacelle]

No

[patent ice]

why not i mean 16 gb vram is alot for 380

[cosmic bluff]

the performance isn't worth that price

[vital oriole]

Not for the perf it offers

The vram is useless if the core is so slow

It's better to just buy 6700xt and stuff

or 6800 rn

380 for 7600xt is horrible price

[keen nacelle]

Three years ago until a year to a few months ago we had 3060 ti, 6700xt, 6750xt, and 6700 all cheaper or very similar priced with better performance.

The vram means nothing when it won't be used

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x9Gbt6/asrock-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-challenger-pro-oc-video-card-rx6700xt-clp-12go

[heady turtle]

Thing is you don't need 16gb of vram when the card can't really do past 1080p medium or high depending on the game

[odd siren]

Not to beat the dead horse here, but value for money 7600XT is arguably one of the worst value cards you could buy period

e.g

[faint egret]

how useful is this old thing?

[heady turtle]

about 20$ on ebay

[odd siren]

Give it about 30 more years it'll probably be worth something

[livid idol]

Oh hey I have one of those. It's useful for a retro PC to play early 2000s games.

[faint egret]

still got any strength or better off with integrated graphics?

[odd siren]

There are integrated graphics that beat 1650's these days

[faint egret]

ahhh, then a nice shelf piece will do

[livid idol]

Modern AMD integrated graphics in particular are much better than it https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/6vs4899/Radeon-HD-5770-vs-Radeon-660M-Ryzen-5-7535HS

And that's comparing a desktop GPU to a laptop iGPU

[heady turtle]

let alone that, but uhd 730 is better (12400 igpu)

[livid idol]

Indeed

Especially since the HD 5000s can't even run DX12

[keen nacelle]

I thought 12400 had 630?

[heady turtle]

well intels ark site says 730

630 nust be 11400

[keen nacelle]

Oh hm

Cool

[junior locust]

Y'all reckon an XFX 7900 XTX would be getting by on a 750w?

CPU is 7700X

just had my cousin ask (cuz they bought the things without asking ahead and now having second guesses)

[keen nacelle]

What model

[junior locust]

XFX Speedster MERC310

[keen nacelle]

Sorry I meant psu

[junior locust]

oh

Some Chieftec model I've never heard about

[keen nacelle]

That does not bode well

[junior locust]

GPX-750-something

tbf I'm just not very familiar with Chieftec PSUs

all of my experience with their stuff is OEM units

[keen nacelle]

Give me a dew

Few

[junior locust]

Take your time

[keen nacelle]

It's C tier

I wouldnt trust an xtx on it

[junior locust]

Oof

[junior locust]

okay I looked it up

We have 240V AC power

does that change the equation?

[keen nacelle]

Nah

You need at least a B tier 750 or A tier 650 for an xtx

Well, that's the minimum I'd recommend.

[junior locust]

Aight, I'll let him know

[keen nacelle]

There's no official rule stating that

[junior locust]

he's been eyeing the Seasonic Focus GX 750W

but he says he feels it costs too much

even tho it's an A tier one

I've been trying to talk him into going with it but he's hard to convince

[keen nacelle]

What other options are there?

Gx tends to be very overpriced

[junior locust]

Stuff like the Enermax Marblebron 750W for 39 190 Ft
LCPower Super Silent Modular LC6750M V2.31 750W for 43 090 Ft
Asus TUF Gaming 750B 750W for 44 489 Ft
Seasonic Focus GX 750W for 51 290 Ft

those are the 750s

Enermax Marblebron RGB 850W for 44 590 Ft
EVGA B5 850W for 47 890 Ft
LCPower Super Silent Modular LC6850M V2.31 850W for 49 190 Ft
EVGA GQ 850W for 53 790 Ft
Corsair RM850 850W White Edition for 56 190 Ft
Seasonic Focus GX 850W for 57 290 Ft
CorsairRM850e 850W ATX3.0 for 57 390 Ft

@keen nacelle

I can check the 650s if you're interested

[keen nacelle]

Rm, GX pro, and asus tuf are the ones out of those I would trust

[junior locust]

GX Pro?

[keen nacelle]

Sorry focus gx

[junior locust]

aight

[junior locust]

only 850 for the XTX tho?

since you said GX 750 wouldn't be enough?

unless I misunderstood you

[keen nacelle]

Both 750 and 850 would be fine

The asus tuf 750 should be enough but honestly I can't say for sure one way or another

Felix would probably know

[junior locust]

I guess if you pay GX money you might as well get 850 then

since the diff is like 2% (if my math holds up)

[keen nacelle]

45000 for the asus tuf is solid

[junior locust]

though it is completely non-modular so that kinda blows

but hey

it's priced reasonably-ish

[lime kelp]

Heya all, looking for a rig that will just pump this particular game, any suggestions https://store.steampowered.com/app/2429640/THRONE_AND_LIBERTY/

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[keen nacelle]

my 3060 ti gaming oc (3 fan) is hitting high 70s at 215w, fans boosting to high 80s/90s with stock curve. issue?

[odd siren]

was it doing it before

[keen nacelle]

nah, throughout timespy it stayed in the 60s

[odd siren]

temps can be more crazy in games

as long as it's like, hotspot you're talking about

[keen nacelle]

no thats core

[livid idol]

What's the hotspot delta

[odd siren]

90's a bit high lol

yeah I'd be curious about delta now

if delta is still good then it might just be what they intended

[livid idol]

It never hurts to repaste if you suspect temp issues, as long as you don't rip the pads and/or replace with the wrong thickness.

[keen nacelle]

oop

gpu hotspot has hit 95

thats an issue

[odd siren]

95 with core at what tho

[keen nacelle]

im not sure, one min

this is just overwatch too

[odd siren]

the delta is the big thing

[keen nacelle]

not anything very demanding

[odd siren]

if it's just spiking to 90 then it's ok

90 w/ 95C hotspot is probably as good as it might get

[livid idol]

Overwatch is a stability test, no cap

[odd siren]

I'm surprised this is happening on a 3 fan 3060ti tho

that's like

wow gigabyte

lmao

even their radeon cards aren't that bad

[livid idol]

I know the paste and pads they use are super cheap on 30 series (from experience...)

[odd siren]

yep

can confirm

you have to be extremely gentle with them

[keen nacelle]

gpu hot spot 88 core around 73

around 200w

it's from dec 2020 so it'd make sense if pads/paste are dry

[livid idol]

3 years would be about right to replace those

[odd siren]

Ye

[keen nacelle]

I just really don't want to with how unsteady my hands are and how bad of a track record I have

[livid idol]

Practice makes perfect

[raven wharf]

how do we feel about the 4080 super in a few days

is it gonna be a 4070ti super situation where its basically the same thing or will it actually bring some decent value?

[vital oriole]

it will be closer to 4090

aka faster

4070 ti super is so near 4080

that 4080s would be stupid if it's the same thing

[raven wharf]

wasnt the 4070ti super legit like 3% faster than regular ti

[vital oriole]

no

that's a mistake

it was bad vbios and drivers

revised test fares better

[raven wharf]

oh really?

only benchmarks I watched were day 1 from hardware unboxed

[vital oriole]

yeah you gotta watch again

[raven wharf]

how close does it get to 4080 performance roughly

does it even top 7900 xt rast?

[odd siren]

good

like

"this is what the 4080 should've been a year ago"

[raven wharf]

i wonder how the 7900s will be priced

[vital oriole]

hm i kinda remembered wrong

[raven wharf]

the 7800s are falling below msrp

[vital oriole]

7900xt still faster

[raven wharf]

a triple fan 7800xt is going 479 in #tech-deals

[vital oriole]

but it's definitely more than 3% vs 70ti

[raven wharf]

not that i care that much since i got my 6950 but i like watching new stuff get launched

[raven wharf]

id hope so lol

[vital oriole]

basically an update to 4070ti, not much there is to it

except more vram yeah

[odd siren]

7800xt still a little better than 4070ti/super

but it's marginal

you could weigh the favour for ti super

if you prefer those things

[raven wharf]

7800 out performs the ti super?

or 4070ti, 4070 super?

i love their naming scheme to make it harder for consumers

[vital oriole]

huh?

isn't 7800xt still on average slower tho

[raven wharf]

thats what im confused on what felix said

im assuming he meant the 4070s, 4070ti

not 4070ti super

[vital oriole]

even 7800xt loses to 4070s

by a decent percentage

[odd siren]

no 7900XT vs 4070 ti super

7800xt and 4070 super are about neck and neck in value (7800xt slightly better with that 480 deal)

[raven wharf]

if 4080 super does really well

a 7950 xtx would be kinda funny

[odd siren]

they don't need 7950xtx

though it probably could exist now

all they need to do is just drop the prices

[raven wharf]

mhm

where could you see them pricing the XTX if the 4080s performs and sells well

[odd siren]

sub 900.

they hovered there before

919 iirc

but 4080s will be way too compelling for 999

[vital oriole]

if it's 999

[odd siren]

since nvidia carries the rep it does over amd for "drivers" ( ) the XTX needs to price itself as the underdog

it is

it's already gonna be 999

[vital oriole]

i will

[odd siren]

the greater question is for how long

how much stock do they have

and will it last

[raven wharf]

sorry what does iirc mean

[odd siren]

if i remember correctly

[raven wharf]

that makes

so much sense lmao

ive never bothered to ask anyone before

[odd siren]

it's my favourite disclaimer on this server lol

because I do get things wrong

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

smart pc man is never wrong

[odd siren]

I am lol

especially lately as I haven't been reading a lot of tech news

it happens a butt load in other servers

I go learn my mistakes elsewhere and bring what I learn here a LOT

[wicked hound]

Nah, yellow is never incorrect. It's scientifically impossible.

[raven wharf]

exactly

[raven wharf]

almost 4080 super time

[livid idol]

It doesn't drop at midnight, it's usually around 9AM PST

Reviews might start to go up at 6

[raven wharf]

oh

thats boring

i guess ill watch reviews and stuff with breakfast tmr

[raven wharf]

do you think its gonna sell out or kinda lackluster sales like the other supers

[livid idol]

Considering they dropped the price $200 and it's expected to be a decent bit better than the 4080 I think it's going to get botted and sell out

But who knows

[vital oriole]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-4080-super-tested-up-to-2-4-faster-in-3dmark-similar-gaming-performance-to-rtx-4080?__cf_chl_rt_tk=U_u9EMgfngVhy6A8KRaIBpm1Fiq44bHy6Va.a5wfKA8-1706673835-0-gaNycGzNGZA

leaked already

[odd siren]

expected

nice card btw

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1747980475224723754

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz) on X

Should we tell them? 🙃

Twitter · Jan 18, 2024, 1:53 PM

honestly the super could've been the same performance and just, $200 lower msrp

this is probably what most review outlets will say

"could've just been a discount 4080"

[livid idol]

If that's what the overall reviews will reflect then yeah I retract my statement, uninteresting and just discount the 4080. You should be able to overclock a 4080 3% and beat the super if that's how it is.

[odd siren]

pretty much

it's still a great card though

because it's cheaper

[livid idol]

This is not the XTX competitor I was led to believe

[odd siren]

and that's the whole reason

[raven wharf]

the fe looks cooler

[odd siren]

sadly not but the xtx will still get cheaper from this

[raven wharf]

cheaper gpus is always nice

[odd siren]

let's be fair

[vital oriole]

it's a discount 4080 pretty much

not bad

[odd siren]

4070 Ti super also would've competed with 7900xt

but they failed there too

so really

thank you amd

for making nvidia make better cards

[vital oriole]

at least it makes radeon drop price again

and pushed nvidia to make something i can call "ok, i get it"

[raven wharf]

imagine if intel ever becomes a competitor

[livid idol]

So what are we going to call this gen? The biggest flop since 600 series unless you can shell out over a grand?

[raven wharf]

as in 40 and 7000?

[livid idol]

40 specifically

[odd siren]

put it in the same boat as turing and turing super imo

super was good

[raven wharf]

beyond fast, beyond expensive

[odd siren]

and super is good again

[vital oriole]

beyond empty wallet

[raven wharf]

"good"

[livid idol]

And 600 was just a 500 refresh

[odd siren]

yes

"good"

didn't say amazing

lol

[vital oriole]

it's passable in my eyes

until radeon dips lower

[odd siren]

40 is ampere refresh isn't it

[vital oriole]

ye

it is

[raven wharf]

i got a 6950xt to rock until probably rnda 5 so I am good

[livid idol]

I'm going to set a price alert on a cheaper XTX model and see if it dips tomorrow lol

[raven wharf]

i bet the asrock one

goes down

[odd siren]

asrock the frillchads

[vital oriole]

$700-800 xtx would be fun

[raven wharf]

or the sapphire pulse

[odd siren]

800 is dreaming

I expect 900

[livid idol]

I could see sapphire going down ya

[vital oriole]

900 is ok still

[odd siren]

900 is great

[vital oriole]

beats 4080s

[raven wharf]

i see 850 for the lowest regular msrps, and sales to like 800-830

[livid idol]

That's what AMD has to do to keep stealing market share, beat nvidia for a lower price. And nvidia stopped caring, declaring themselves to now be an AI company.

[vital oriole]

true

[raven wharf]

the geforce team needs to be there own thing

or have more freedom

under nvidia

[vital oriole]

eh it's where the money goes atm

[livid idol]

Integrating titan into the gaming line was an interesting choice tbh

[vital oriole]

look at marketing of fridges

ai fridge

lol

can't really blame a company for squeezing every penny

amd only really has epyc cpus that is successful in hpc space

[livid idol]

Yes they have a duty to themselves first, then shareholders. Such is a large business model.

[raven wharf]

i heard a rumor of a 4000 titan

[vital oriole]

that's the truth of being a public company

[raven wharf]

i forgot what video it was from

[vital oriole]

gotta make gains every year

[livid idol]

That ends up being good for us though since it's let AMD catch up and we have real competition for once

[vital oriole]

ya

[livid idol]

No way nvidia would even consider a 4080 super if AMD wasn't able to steal the sales at that bracket with XTX

[vital oriole]

if amd was good with ai I don't think radeon would be this good, just thinking of what-ifs

[odd siren]

that's the ada gen card

[vital oriole]

it's kinda wild that i have had to recc a few people 40 series

cuz supers are out

[livid idol]

Was it maybe this https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/rtx-a4000/

[wicked hound]

I mean this is seemingly the first gen Nvidia hasnt made a full die card for prosumer and lower. Got dual die XX90s for 500 - 600 series, then Titans for 700 - 2000 series, then XX90Ti for 3000 series.
Pretty hard for there not to be rumors of a card that has historically existed for a really long time.

[livid idol]

Sure enough 4080 super is boring

[keen nacelle]

Yep

Just a discounted 4080 with a minor oc

(Not literally a minor oc, but the performance boost of one)

[raven wharf]

i love how the regular 4080s are like 1400+ still

[hot folio]

4090 best value

[fading glacier]

besto card, but not best value

[fading glacier]

extremely minor xD like 1 to 3%

[wicked hound]

GTRTX 4095Ti Super Ultra is best value

[livid idol]

Welp I hope everyone that wanted a 4080 Super got one because they look pretty sold out. None left on Newegg, B&H, or Nvidia sites.
Best buy has one PNY model at msrp left because it was miscategorized https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pny-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16gb-verto-overclocked-triple-fan-graphics-card-dlss-3-black/6574654.p?skuId=6574654

Never mind the PNY model is sold out now

That didn't take long

[fading glacier]

smells like scalpers all over again

just wait 2 weeks

[keen nacelle]

They won't sell, it's fine

It's too disappointing and too many other good in stock options

No one's going to pay 1200+ for a 4080 super when xtx and 4070 ti super are a thing and in stock

[fading glacier]

yup, still, scalpers are kinda dumb

2 weeks and they will start reselling at a loss

[odd siren]

Did warn people that card would sell

[livid idol]

I did as well

[odd siren]

A whole buttload of people at that price category were waiting to jump on that card since announcement

Since everyone was recommending it

[livid idol]

Give it 30 days and they'll flood back into stock because the return windows closed

[odd siren]

Mhm

What's the price of xtx rn

[livid idol]

$940 iirc

[odd siren]

You're joking, it didn't move

AMD L

[livid idol]

Nyope

[odd siren]

Maybe they anticipated the stock levels

Idk

[livid idol]

Or just didn't feel threatened by it enough

[odd siren]

I mean by right the xtx is still slightly better value

[livid idol]

Performance per dollar it's still like 9% better

[odd siren]

But I would've expected a drop

Since "AyyyyMD"

[livid idol]

Open box at $900 on newegg

[odd siren]

Heh

Don't validate me like that

[odd siren]

PSA: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amazon-sold-a-fake-rtx-4090-frankengpu-cobbled-together-with-a-laptop-gpu-and-4080-board-scam-board-was-found-in-a-returns-pallet-deal

[lilac osprey]

an Asus ROG Strix RTX 4090 with 24GB of VRAM was apparently damaged with a PCB crack near the PCIe retention finger and a melted power connector. So far – so ordinary in the world of RTX 4090 cards,```

[vital oriole]

what's bad isn't the pcb being cracked

but rather it's a 4080 pcb

with 4090 core

[lilac osprey]

Yes, it's funny that the "cracked" part is normal

Speaking of melted power connectors, my PSU comes with a cable labeled "600w" that looks like it fits the connector on my 4070s. Should I use that cable instead of the 2x 8-pin adapter?

[vital oriole]

yes

[lilac osprey]

Will do, thanks

[ancient bloom]

How do I fix a dead GPU?

I have a Radeon 5770

when I connect it only 2 of the lights light up

[livid idol]

That depends on what exactly is broken. A card that old could be anything.

[ancient bloom]

does the heating method help?

[livid idol]

Which one? The one with the oven?

[ancient bloom]

air gun

[livid idol]

Ah. Sometimes that can work but again it depends on how it broke. If it's just old, cracked solder then yeah that would help reflow it.

But if any component actually died like the soc power rail then you'd need to replace the broken component

[ancient bloom]

I also have a 5450 with the same prob ig

[ancient bloom]

that would cost more than the GPU itself

[livid idol]

Not necessarily. Capacitors you can either salvage from another GPU or buy a pack for $2, so it again depends on what's broken.

You can probe around the PCB with a multimeter to look for a short, that would narrow down the cause.

Buildzoid (actually hardcore overclocking) on YouTube has a lot of repair videos you can use to get an idea

If you're lucky it's just a dead power stage, those are easy to fix or bypass

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpS0n7xxSadUYf8qE_pfRTkK72JwrvBLp&si=GA80H1l3pF86Wf22

[ancient bloom]

thx

some how when I connect my 5770, 2 lights light up and the fan spins. The motherboard gives a beep when I start the pc. then a black screen

[keen nacelle]

That sounds like a bricked gpu

Or bricked vbios

[lilac osprey]

Riser cable seems like a cool idea, but won't the v. card fans be less effective sucking on my glass panel?

[odd siren]

yes

you got it in one

[hot bough]

I can't seem to find the USB Selective suspend setting for the life of me. Any ideas what other names it could be under? MSI X670-P is my motherboard.

[odd siren]

Control panel

[hot bough]

Aight will take a look at that now.

I can't find a setting nor section called Control Panel?

[odd siren]

It's in windows

Control panel > power plan > edit power plan > usb selective suspend

[hot bough]

oh...

[hot bough]

I kept looking in bios lmfao.

Btw isn't that for stuttering not for crashes?

Still gonna do it since it's worth a shot but just checking

this is weird. In Power Plan it says to put my display to sleep after 15m but the rest of my pc says to never go to sleep.

[livid idol]

Why would that be weird

It just turns the display off and the rest of the pc stays on

[hot bough]

I could've sworn I told my whole system to stay awake 24/7.

[livid idol]

Why would you need the display on 24/7

You'll just wear out the monitor

[hot bough]

In any case thank you Felix for explaining this.

[hot bough]

Fair. Keeping it to stay awake till I figure out this issue.

What does USB Selecting Suspending even do? Does it pause or stop giving power to USBs depending on usage?

btw I am loving Process Lasso so far.

Thank you guys for recommending it to me.

[livid idol]

When the system detects the USB device to be idle it puts the device into a sort of sleep mode, but not all devices like that and certain ones can cause weird issues.

[hot bough]

I am setting it up so my games all go to the x3d cores (not much difference compared to the normal ones for gaming) since I am hitting over 144fps and dedicated 4 cores to background apps and I plan to dedicate another 4 to servers.

[hot bough]

gotcha.

And fTPM will enabling/disabling that possibly fix my crashing issue?

[livid idol]

Not likely but you can try

Windows won't like that

But it'll have to deal with it

[hot bough]

noted.

anything else I could try?

[topaz siren]

Why dont i see hardware accelerated gpu scheduling ??? im on windows 11 6800XT gpu

[odd siren]

Iirc it doesn't appear for radeon 6000

"Does it make my gpu worse?" No, it just doesn't appear if I'm not mistaken

It doesn't really do much

[topaz siren]

kk

[ivory herald]

Jacked up my gpu utilization/clocks/temp/wattage for random little like like youtube when cpu could easily handle that solo.

[odd siren]

💀

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition-pcb-has-fewer-power-phases-than-rtx-4080

[livid idol]

Well it was overkill to start with

[odd siren]

You can ignore the power draw changes

That's binning

They just made the pcb cheaper

To get a higher yield of a ad103 core they would believably have better power draw

[livid idol]

Which is fine really. From what I've seen most 4080 PCBs could handle a 4090.

[odd siren]

Oh yeah the FE was already great

But, they had to cheapen it for some reason

[odd siren]

💀💀
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/12vhpwr-connector-melting-psu-side

💀💀💀💀
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/faulty-12v2x6-connector-found-with-rtx-4080-super-card-it-could-be-a-one-off-problem-but-caution-is-advisable

[junior locust]

Please for the love of God stop

rofl

I can't take ANOTHER round of this

nGreedAI truly outdid themselves with the 12VHPWR connector

[odd siren]

When I say be triple sure it's plugged in I really mean it

[odd siren]

This didn't happen on nvidia's original design

[junior locust]

twas supposedly only the card side that can melt

[odd siren]

This is the fault of everyone else who put their submission changes into pci-sig

[junior locust]

I mean if they just
Put 8 pins on the card

[odd siren]

Names like intel

Changes 12vhpwr to be what it is

[junior locust]

ye quite frankly 12vhpwr IMO is just a failed standard as it is rn

[odd siren]

They were just putting 12 pins on before and it was ok

Nvidia didn't ruin the design

They persisted with it sure but they didn't ruin it

[junior locust]

eh

it was kinda crap to begin with

then it got worse 💀

[odd siren]

Wasn't great, but wasn't nearly as bad

Man reading this and people are baffled that a 12vhpwr native can burn at the psu end too

Like people really don't understand the terminal is and has always been the issue huh

It's been bound to happen and probably happened a few times at this point

I think at this rate this is going to leave so many scars they might revise it one more time or just completely ditch it altogether

It's caused so many problems

But this is exactly why - and I say this for even cards like the 4070

Make triple sure it's plugged in

It's not worth taking the chance

Like making sure your car is locked, same idea

10 seconds of checking equivalent to years of reliable use

[junior locust]

it feels like nVidia really burned themselves (pun intended) with the 12vhpwr standard

[odd siren]

I think you should be more worried that AMD might well adopt this next gen

Or intel

Intel is even more likely

They had a large amount of input to the current standard iirc

[hot bough]

At this point I think I am probably just gonna wait for 5000 series....

[lilac osprey]

Do you mean all the way plugged in, instead of loose or crooked? That's what can do it?

[sudden frigate]

So what is the cheapest card to run 4k around 100fps?

[keen nacelle]

4070 ti is the lowest I would go for 4k, possibly 4070 super

There's no saying how many frames you'll get because it depends on a whole array of other factors

[sudden frigate]

You would stick with nVidia for 4k? Not like a 7900xt?

[hot bough]

You'd need to let us know what games and settings you wanna get 100+ fps in and whether or not that is with or without upscaling.

[keen nacelle]

7900 xt is fine

It's a bit better than 4070 ti

[vocal current]

What are some of the better brands of the 7900 xtx. Getting close to being able to afford one. Though about going with the red devil again but I saw a lot of reviews about coil whine.

[livid idol]

Coil whine is subjective and isn't a guarantee

Sapphire and asrock are generally good and often cheaper than other models

[keen nacelle]

Except for asrock challenger

Asrock challenger is crap

[livid idol]

Yeah no not that one

Is there a challenger xtx though?

[keen nacelle]

Idts, I think 7800xt is the highest

Maybe 7900 gre

[vocal current]

Yeah had my eye on either the sapphire or the red devil. Appreciate the feedback.

[keen nacelle]

Honestly I'd just grab one of the cheapest. At most $960

Any of them but the MSI one
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#X=0,96000

[vocal current]

Will probably be another month or two before I get it. Still hoping they drop down just a little bit more in price but I won't hold my breath 😂

[keen nacelle]

We've seen 7900xt down to 685 with microcenter so far

Xtx hasn't dipped below 930 as of late, all time low is 830 I think

[heady turtle]

xt making a hell of a lot of sense recently tbh

and the GRE (where available for its low prices)

[lilac osprey]

The box that the 4070s FE comes in is ridiculous

[hot bough]

I am kinda amazed the thermal paste on my gpu still works after 3 years, xD. temps are still well under control dispite 100% usage in apps

[vocal current]

In my case stuck with Amazon since I have all that credit lol

[keen nacelle]

ye but we might see the xt drop to like 700 on amazon

[vocal current]

I've debated on the regular xt for less power consumption

[odd siren]

@sudden frigate

[odd siren]

Yep

If it's not completely in by just a couple mm it carries extreme risk melting

Problem for a lot of them though, they don't give the feedback of a click when you plug them in

There's that, AND-

They wiggle loose with a lot of case movement

They should just go back to the older atx 2.x

imo

[lilac osprey]

This doesn't sound like professional quality design and/or manufacture

[livid idol]

It's not their fault! Who could have predicted that reducing the fault tolerance range would have more faults!?

[vital oriole]

the crappening

[plush garden]

is the 4070 super good?

with the i714700k a good combo?

[livid idol]

Depends on what you're using it for. For most gamers, meh. It would be a decent combo for esports games at least.

[plush garden]

games like warzone fortnite and farming simulator

[livid idol]

What resolution?

[plush garden]

1920by1080

[livid idol]

That would be an ok combo for 1080p gaming. No need to spend extra for the 14700k, for a few reasons. 14th gen is the same as 13th gen, and most gamers don't see any real gain past the 600 chips so a 13600k or 14600k, whichever is cheaper, would work. Or go AMD and get a 7800X3D that beats the 14900k in gaming while costing less than the 13600k.

[keen nacelle]

It's about $100 more rn, did you mean 14700k

[livid idol]

Oh is it? Intel must have lowered their prices

[keen nacelle]

13600k is $285-300 same price as 14600k actually

7800x3d is 390 I think?

[livid idol]

Definitely lower prices now then

By $20-40 but still

It's been out for what, less than 2 months? And it's already on sale

Oh september, 4 months

[keen nacelle]

I would recommend an upgrade to 1440p if possible, around $200-220 for a good 144-180hz monitor

[plush garden]

well the 4070 super and the i7 14700k will be alot better then what i have now

i have a i3 9100f

1650

lol

[keen nacelle]

14600k would give you the same experience as the 14700k so I would save the money, but yes

[plush garden]

ok bet

[keen nacelle]

I would do something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/frqwHG

That mobo is actually really good

If you can do a new monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W6QKHx/msi-g272qpf-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-g272qpf

[plush garden]

lol im using that monitor rn

[keen nacelle]

I thought you said you had 1080p?

[plush garden]

that what my pc can run

rn

lol

[keen nacelle]

Ohh

[plush garden]

yea

[keen nacelle]

You're downscaling resolution rn?

[plush garden]

yep

[keen nacelle]

And will swap to 1440p with new parts oh OK perfect

[livid idol]

In that case take the savings off the cpu and put it towards a better GPU because the 4070 super is only "ok" at 1440p

[plush garden]

what gpu then

[keen nacelle]

4070 ti is 745 I think for pny verto, 7900xt is 720? Maybe 730

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ymmP6/pny-verto-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-12-gb-video-card-vcg4070t12tfxpb1

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N9xRsY/xfx-speedster-merc-310-black-edition-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx-79tmercb9

4070 super is capable tho. It's definitely fine for 1440p

[plush garden]

alrighty

let me show the one i found

one sec

[keen nacelle]

You could also do 7600x for $100 less than the 14600k

For very similar performance

Cpu here
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BBJDS62N?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
And https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mFbKMV

Am5 also gives you an upgrade path, since intels new cpus will run on new motherboards, that b650 will support 2-3 new gens

If you aren't using ethernet, b650m pro rs wifi or msi b650m-a wifi are $150

[plush garden]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4070-super-gv-n407swf3oc-12gd/p/N82E16814932683?Item=N82E16814932683

what bout this one

[keen nacelle]

Any of the three are fine options

[plush garden]

ok

[keen nacelle]

It's your decision

[plush garden]

cause that link i sent was only 599

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, 4070 ti and 7900xt are around 15-20% better, while it's a $145 or $125 price diff

On the other end 7600x is $100 less than 14600k and is within 5% of it

I'd say smthn like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XFmrL9

Montech sky two is a nice looking case at $87, if you want to check it out

[plush garden]

i already got new case i got the lian li 216

[plush garden]

you think that case i bought good ?

[livid idol]

It's good yes

[keen nacelle]

Oh yeah what fal said

Tends to be a lil bit overpriced, but its good quality and had good airflow

[plush garden]

https://newegg.io/0254e2f

what would you change on that

i just want something that would run like warzone like 180 to 200fps

and get stable 240 on fortnite

[plush garden]

look at that list

[vital oriole]

that list isn't the best honestly

[plush garden]

help me get the most powerful build for that price

[vital oriole]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w9Xy9c

here's this

since you already have a case that's decent

i excluded the case fron the price

[keen nacelle]

This for a cheaper option
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L9Bjh3

[plush garden]

but that cpu only has 8 cores and the 14th gen i picked has 20cores

[vital oriole]

core count doesn't matter for gaming as much as you think

7800x3d beats even 14900k in gaming

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, 7800x3d is the best gaming cpu

7600x comes within 5-8% of the 14700k most of the time, if not less

[vital oriole]

and intel has a mix of fast and slow cores

it only has 8 p-cores

the rest are e-cores

it gets problematic in some games

[keen nacelle]

The e cores are smaller, lower wattage, and lower performance. They mainly handle background tasks and small tasks when you're not running anything demanding

E stands for efficiency, p stands for performance

[keen nacelle]

If you want intel I'd do 14600k

[keen nacelle]

This here

Rest of the parts from foxy's or my list

[vital oriole]

even so im against going intel atm

lga 1700 is dead end

[keen nacelle]

Yeah agreed, am5 has an upgrade path

[vital oriole]

am5 has cheap boards too

[keen nacelle]

B760 pg sonic wifi back down to 130, which is nice

[vital oriole]

the sanic board

i like livemixer

[keen nacelle]

Sanic is love sanic is life

[vital oriole]

spdif on the cheap

[keen nacelle]

Someone said smthn about it having some issues but if it's not true, it had an INCREDIBLE io

It's like 12usb ports or something insane

[vital oriole]

yeah

[keen nacelle]

Insane io at $150

And then 3 m.2s, which is decent

[vital oriole]

livemixer is crazy with io

based asrock

[keen nacelle]

Bios flash, 12 USB ports, and USB c

[vital oriole]

13 actually

14 including usb c

wait my bad

[keen nacelle]

B650m pro rs is actually pretty decent too at $120. 6 usb a, 1 usb c

7 usb a*

[vital oriole]

pro rs is ssd slots galore

[keen nacelle]

3 m.2 4 sata

[vital oriole]

built in io shields

should just be standard everywhere

[plush garden]

what is the best cpu for gaming in general?

[vital oriole]

7800x3d

[odd siren]

Value for money it's that^

It's neck and neck with a good 13900K/KS/KF or 14900K/KF

They give basically the same result ±2%

So what I mean is

You can spend maybe 2/3 of what you need for the intel side

And get the amd side

And the result is the same pretty much

[ivory herald]

Perhaps slightly more value for money we'd go down $90 to certain other models. -- wait, of course value changes if we're talking only $90 saved when a whole build is $1K+.

[odd siren]

i7's are kinda there

But fps to fps they're not really either

Bleeding edge is 7800x3d, i9, 7950x3d, kinda i7

13th or 14th gen of course

It also for intel, depends heavily on motherboard

[sudden frigate]

I'm playing bg3 now, and some ark on unreal 5 engine. I'm looking to upgrade my 3070ti that would handle 4k games for the future. My budget would be around $750 max. Or should I just save for something better?

[odd siren]

So instead of paying like, 150 for a z690, you'd want to pay like, 300+ for a 1dpc board to get close to the 7800x3d

So for intel's side, you really need to sink your teeth in to get in parity to x3d

[odd siren]

You won't get competent 4k for 750

Competent 1440p you will

7900xt

But you kinda need a decent cpu to back it up

Something semi recent

Like 12900K, 5800X3D etc

[sudden frigate]

Rocking a 13600k

[odd siren]

More than enough

That+7900XT + new psu if needed

You have to check psu on that one

Minimum good 750w

If not a decent 850w

[sudden frigate]

850w psu. I was leaning towards the 7900xt

[odd siren]

Which 850w

[sudden frigate]

Thor

[odd siren]

Rog thor??

[sudden frigate]

Yessir

[odd siren]

Jesus

Next time ask me for build advice

Thor is good but also

Like

200+ for a 100$ psu

💀

Yes 7900xt will be fine on that

[sudden frigate]

Lol. Got it on sale for around 120

[odd siren]

120 is not bad

Get a phantom gaming, xfx merc/qick, or sapphire pulse 7900xt

Any of those 3 tend to be cheap and good

Good enough for 1440p

You could also consider an XTX or 4080 Super if you offset the old card for resale (should fetch 300-ish)

[plush garden]

send me the best build for around 1400

[odd siren]

Can I get a please

Lol

[plush garden]

please sir

[odd siren]

Sure

[sudden frigate]

$1k is a hard pill to swallow

But I get it

[odd siren]

@plush garden https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZbY9BL

Alternatively
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MJd9BL

[keen nacelle]

7600x is $200 on amazon I'd do that

Pcp shows it oos

[odd siren]

I wouldn't

[keen nacelle]

12600kf decent but $180 ew

Itd come out same price no?

[odd siren]

7600x is ≈ 12600k anyway

Yeah but multicore

[keen nacelle]

Ye but upgradability

[odd siren]

Entry am5 is better when it's cheaper

[keen nacelle]

And its around an 8-10% single core diff iirc

[odd siren]

Not 10% games tho

It's more like within a couple %

[keen nacelle]

Fair, id rather have the upgradability at the same price tho

Especially when multi core isn't really being used (from what I can tell)

[odd siren]

He didn't say anything

He just said, "Please sir can I have build"

[keen nacelle]

Ye he was here earlier too

Well

[wicked hound]

Better than "build"

[keen nacelle]

Like an hour ago

[odd siren]

Was he?

[keen nacelle]

If not less

[odd siren]

Oh the best cpu guy

[keen nacelle]

Ye up here

Foxy and I rambled after him

[odd siren]

Jeez 1600

[wicked hound]

I now kinda want to see how undescriptive I can get with asking build questions until no one understands at all

Just like 4 months from now Ill ask "build?"

Or "$900?"

[plush garden]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

what about this one

[odd siren]

Here be the amd option @plush garden
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CB3y9c
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V6tnCd

[odd siren]

Wrong link lol

[wicked hound]

Need to include the ID in URL

The one you sent just shows what is cached in someones browser, not a public link

[plush garden]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wMNcFs

that one work

[odd siren]

Works

Slower pc

[plush garden]

oh

[odd siren]

Also no cooler for the cpu is a problem

Or case

Are you willing to spend 1600?

[vital oriole]

overpriced ssd btw

[plush garden]

i already have cooler and case

[odd siren]

Oh that makes it easier

[plush garden]

yea

[odd siren]

I can fit x3d without those

Ok

Brb

[vital oriole]

$99 gets you 2tb

[wicked hound]

What are your usecases for the PC?

[plush garden]

like warzone and fortnite and farming simulator

low settings on fortnite and warzone

[odd siren]

Do you want white or black

Also what case is it

[plush garden]

and max settings on farming simulator 22

and black

[odd siren]

Can't pick a mobo without knowing the case

[plush garden]

and lian li 216

[odd siren]

Ah

[plush garden]

yessir

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QZbKMV

It can get a fair bit cheaper than this tho

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y8tnCd

Like that

If you go down to 4070 super you can fit it into 1400

[wicked hound]

Wouldnt 7600+XTX perf more?

[odd siren]

Not at 1440p

Bottleneck

At 4k yes

How do I know this? We had a particularly angry fellow through here months ago with his 5800x3d and 4080 complaining about his gpu never at 100%

And 3dmark time spy also is reflective

13600k could kinda do xtx

It adds up to minimum 1650 tho

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n3Y9BL

/open box 4080 trinity for $931.49

I also don't like that specific xtx

It's basically just a reference card

So noisy and low tier power

XT + X3D will amount to higher fps tho cos warzone

And fortnite

[wicked hound]

Kinda want to test this out more tbf. Worth noting that utilization doesnt tell everything for what perfs better. Just some example frametime numbers below to illustrate a point:
3D+XT: 1.5ms CPU + 4ms GPU
X+XTX: 2ms CPU + 3ms GPU

[odd siren]

It makes even more sense when this particular guy was complaining about warzone....lol

He was arguing with me that a 5800x3d would be enough for his 4080

Went off to buy it

Came back to test

[wicked hound]

But for esports I'd say 3D is ideal

[odd siren]

It was something like

80%?

Utilisation

On his 58x3d

And since all he played was cod it made perfect sense for him to either downgrade or upgrade gpu/cpu respectively

It's in this chat

Looong time ago

Like not long after 4080 dropped

He got banned for profanity iirc

[wicked hound]

Just that my overall point is that utilization isnt the best metric for "best perf at X budget"

[odd siren]

Ehhhh

I'd say it matters a fair bit

Leaving numbers on the table to me, you may as well not buy the extra perf

Like when people buy a 4090 and a 144hz 1440p

I'm always like "noooo way"

[wicked hound]

Me with uw-qhd

[odd siren]

Granted, this example pertains to 5800x3d which doesn't have the same utility as a 7600 sure, but it's not like, 20% better

Same cpu perf, 7600 has better utility

Higher single thread after all

[odd siren]

Better but still frustrating lol

[wicked hound]

Well no matter what you'll always be under utuilzating a lot of components. My prolly pretty unrealistic example would still get better perf even with under utilized GPU

[wicked hound]

Also nah man. 4090s stuggle on average modern AAA game for UWQHD. Some of my friends have it with Alienware DW(F), cant even get to 165Hz for some games.

[odd siren]

Eh, I wouldn't say you're totally wrong

But again, esports titles

I can lean either direction really

Some days I'll go 7600

others X3D

in this case tho, fps games will be a clear X3D win

To the point of ridiculousness really, Fortnite probably thousands of fps, Warzone hundreds

[wicked hound]

For this case Id say 3D yeah, but I kinda want to see if I can get some tests for QHD of my scenario Im talking about for AAA games

[odd siren]

I think in the overall scheme the XTX+7600 would be a bit better

But you'd def run into cpu binds

100%

[wicked hound]

Realistically I think Intels PerfMon is what I'd want to see data of. From my understanding that'd give the data I actually want, CPU/GPU rendertime

[odd siren]

I'd look at TS results

[wicked hound]

Idk if that is indicative of the average AAA game tho

[odd siren]

Not entirely no

TS getting less and less relevant

well what do you know

7600 vs 78x3d

200 points difference in TS

lol

[wicked hound]

I mean Im more talking about ratio of CPU/GPU time, idk if it was ever indicative of the average game. Dont think that was ever tested before.

[odd siren]

I do reckon the XTX+7600 would be a bit better tho

the thing that steers me away from 7600 a lot is overall perf tho

it's basically like, 12X00K performance

Give or take a % or two

[wicked hound]

Ye, but if you buy into company promises you got quite the upgrade path

[odd siren]

I know, I'm aware

but like

the difference is some $50

Which is kinda meh

Considering you may well flip the parts anyway the $50 doesn't amount to much

not to mention you can also upgrade on LGA1700 from the 12th gen all the way up on a decent enough board and that alone is significant

there may even be a halfway house here

yeah you could do 14th gen

14600KF is almost at parity with 7800X3D but the difference is you pay less some $50

Be lookin like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mM9rL9

[wicked hound]

Kinda need-ish contact frame for 1X600K and above tho

[odd siren]

alr

$40 difference

It's one way to do it tho

I wonder if pg velocita has a bios switch

oo it does

back to $50

If it was me doing this, I could be really smart here

this would be a tiny bit quicker

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVxsWt

Than X3D

Provided the core binning wasn't disgusting

[raven wharf]

@odd siren check out my totally installed 6950

that definitely totally fits in my case

[odd siren]

lol nice

[wicked hound]

Or you could be really jankier, cheaper mobo with custom heatsinks and CH341A for BIOS upgrade

[odd siren]

pfff

7700X +CH341A

or X3D with jank sinks

fish out some metal from a scrapyard just smack it on a basic A620

[wicked hound]

I do wonder how far cheapest mobos could be pushed with cheap but "well" sourced heatsinks

[hot bough]

Oh wait, wrong channel.

[wicked hound]

No chat is wrong chat if you brave enough

[hot bough]

true..

It does annoy me though that for a $700 cpu that AMD can't bother making sure it works perfectly out of the box.

Honestly makes me wonder if I'd stick with AMD once AM5 platform no longer supports a upgrade path.

[odd siren]

Really weird that it was fine for you but not for me

Now it's perfectly fine for me and not for you

[hot bough]

In your experience is Intel or AMD more reliable?

[hot bough]

yeah....

By the way, what fixed your issue? Also correct me if I am wrong but you were experiencing stuttering right?

[odd siren]

remember that control panel thing I mentioned

that

[hot bough]

i forgot

what is the control panel?

[odd siren]

...

usb selective suspension

[hot bough]

oh that

sorry last few days have been a nightmare irl.

[odd siren]

its ok

[hot bough]

Would it be a bad idea to try and put all my background apps/system processes onto just four of high frequency cores so I can leave four for game servers and the x3d ones for gaming?

[odd siren]

can you try turning off the server for a bit first and see if it's any better

[hot bough]

I haven't had it on.

Or better put, I haven't set them up yet as I am moving homes again.

[odd siren]

sorry, it sounded like you did

[hot bough]

No worries.

[odd siren]

if you just have allocation to the 8 non x3d cores, it won't do anything

[hot bough]

But yeah I've been testing by running just my normal day to day stuff.

What i'd like to do if possible is put all background / apps tasks onto just two or three high freq cores and leave 4-6 high freq cores so I can have a Ark and Minecraft server running on my pc nice and smoothly.

Or hmmm. On second thought, one core is probably enough for the mc server, so I can put 3 cores to the ark server and leave the other 4 as is for background apps.

[odd siren]

probably

It may be the case though that running more than one game has something to do with it

So I'd really just not do that until you were sure it worked

[hot bough]

Just looked it up, apparently Ark:SE servers can only use 2 logical cores max sometimes maybe 3. A logical core has two threads right?

[odd siren]

Yep

Two or One

[hot bough]

Yeah I haven't and don't plan on running the servers at all till I know this issue is fixed.

I wanna have as few possible causes as possible so I know what the issue is.

[odd siren]

I'd be looking at all sorts of possible fixes

Try the whole gamut, it's what I did

Once this cpu works, it's stupid stable

[hot bough]

Will do. for now I am waiting and hoping that the last few changes I made will keep this baby stable.

[odd siren]

You reinstalled windows yes?

[hot bough]

Yep....

Sure did for a whole lotta nothing.

[odd siren]

Just checking

Removes the possibility of ram corruption

[hot bough]

also been running XMP 6000cl32

[wicked hound]

Windows definition a logical processor is a thread

6c12t would be 12 logical processors

[hot bough]

Oh okay.

Wait, yikes so assuming ark is using windows definition it is really unoptimized.....

So one core would be enough and two just being overhead.

[wicked hound]

Also let the OS do thread balancing. Dont set thread affinty super hard, like MC with one thread and Ark with three. Set it so all servers use all non x3d cores (I think is what you're doing?), OS will do a better job at managing the rest.

[hot bough]

Been doing apps based on core. So like:

• games = X3D cores
• Background apps (eg. chrome, discord) = High freq cores 1-4
  and my plan for the servers currently are:
• Ark server = high freq core 5-6
• Minecraft server = high freq core 7-8

[raven wharf]

minecraft will bring anything to its knees

[wicked hound]

Cuz stuff isnt always so easy to understand. MC for example isnt entirely single threaded when setup nicely.

[hot bough]

true, with mods mc has become more multi-threaded nowadays right?

Not all to concerned about MC since it's only like 70-80 mods with a small handful of friends. Ark is the one that scares me.

[wicked hound]

Lot of different ones ye, most of the really interesting ones arent recommended. But the recommended ones are still multi threaded enough.

[hot bough]

very true, xD.

[wicked hound]

Regardless, I'd imagine you'd have a better time just setting all servers to high freq core 1 - 8.

[odd siren]

the day minecraft gets a controversy is the day I think the world is truly finished

[wicked hound]

MC has lots of controversy lol

[hot bough]

yes.

[odd siren]

I haven't seen anything big

Maybe that one time that kid that passed away and was a youtuber

[hot bough]

Will try that. I am also in contact with someone who runs a ark SE and SA cluster on a 7950x using process lasso for extra feedback.