graphics-cards

[odd siren]

Nyo

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-depressed-depression-thor-chris-hemsworth-gif-22395141

[glad wolf]

I'm super late in graphic cards department but is the nvidia rtx 3090 founders edition worth buying? I currently have a motherboard that supports the 3000 series

[vital oriole]

For how much?

Askin to see if it's worth the price or nah, not to cop it myself lel

[glad wolf]

The founders edition is close to market price on newegg right now

I waited for the inflated prices to drop

Not buying over the manufacturer price

[vital oriole]

Used? Or new

Anyway

The price I'd buy a 3090 is 600-650

Anything above is not worth the trouble

[glad wolf]

Most of the 3000 series are used or refurbished now so it rare to find any new cards

[vital oriole]

As you can get 6900xt instead

or 7900xt

6950xt is also a valid choice

[glad wolf]

Would a MSI MPG Z590 motherboard support the 7900xt?

[vital oriole]

Yes

Pcie is backwards compatible, and the gpu does run in 3.0 just fine

You have pcie 4.0, it shouldn't cause any problems whatsoever

[glad wolf]

I was hoping to get a graphic card similar to rtx 3090 cause I wanted something to last me at least 10 years and not have to upgrade

[vital oriole]

Those are similar/better performing gpus

[glad wolf]

I'll look into it, thank you

[fading glacier]

10 years is kinda oiptimistic

you are forgetting that even electronics have a lifetime

6 years is kinda expected, 8 is going too far but 10 is kinda too much 😛

also the 3090 is already 3 years old, if you want a card to last you 10 years without upgrading then you better get something recent, like a 7000 series or 40 series

[livid idol]

There's no such thing as future proofing. Who knows what the latest gaming tech will be in 6 years. Imagine trying to run a GTX 980 ti in cyberpunk 2077 or starfield.

[fading glacier]

exactly, 10 years without upgrading is pretty optimistic

[livid idol]

Especially considering Nvidia has been killing driver support for anything more than 6-7 years old

[vital oriole]

from the looks of it

it seems like 7-10

about how long nvidia supports something before they drop support

[livid idol]

Next on the block is the 9 series. It won't be long now before it's official support ends.

[livid idol]

For an idea of how much not fun that is, at 1080p high the 980 ti gets 30 fps on starfield... indoors. 15 in city.

[vital oriole]

so much for 10 years

games started getting so heavy this year

[random walrus]

heavy unoptimized

There are older games that look and run better than the stuff we're getting these days

[vital oriole]

lol true

im just trying to not be too harsh to some people's feelings

[fading glacier]

better to be harsh than getting a wrong purchase

[vital oriole]

the joke went over your head smh

[fading glacier]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[vital oriole]

unoptimized is apparently a magic word to someone

[lilac cave]

That's why I got a RX 7600 over a 3060 ti cause the 7600 is currently the lastest generation. Hoping it'll last me 7 - 10 years. (Plus I have an AMD rig so it's less of a pain in the butt messing with drivers. Lol)

[lilac cave]

Well, the GTX 16 series's are still packing a decent punch for starter gpus at a good price.

And they're like, what, 5... 6 years old now?

[keen nacelle]

Being newer gen doesn't give it a longer life span

[lilac cave]

I had driver support in mind when I said that, but I'm hoping it'll last a while.

[wraith wagon]

I FINALLY GOT ME MONEY BACK AHHHHHHHH

And I got this after I got it back https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/zotac-gaming-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-trinity-oc-12gb-gddr6x-video-card/16649537

[glad wolf]

If you take care of your electronics, they can last beyond 10 years

I still have my old dell laptop from 2006 that runs to this day

[vital oriole]

lasting 10 years in the context of games and drivers

that's what they were trying to tell you about

[livid idol]

If you're ok with only getting 15 fps in 6 years when the 3090 is 9 years old then sure, go with that plan

[ivory herald]

Game better look almost like real life if it makes a 3090 get 15fps, lol.

[vital oriole]

a game is already making 4090 fall to 15

at 4k

that's without any upscaling tech and frame gen applied

[keen nacelle]

I'd much rather spend $400-600 and get more than decent frames and graphics for right now and spend another 400-600 in two gens than $1500 and keep it for 10 years

[glad wolf]

I understand what everyone is saying but I kinda picky on games I play

[vital oriole]

If you play older, more niche games

Then it'll probably last you forever

[glad wolf]

A niche game today might become a triple A game in the near future

[livid idol]

Photorealism is a trend we've been moving towards. We'll start seeing some tech demos in a few years in choice games.

[vital oriole]

photorealism is so stupid imo

yeah it's cool

but where's da charm of some games

the theme

[ivory herald]

No, I meant a game should at least look really good if it's low fps. 4090 under 60fps is like o.g. Crysis reincarnated or somethin. (although I figure certain games also are so cpu crazy that it drags down total fps just on that)

[vital oriole]

photorealism is getting boring tbh

literally every games try to be that

[livid idol]

We haven't seen true photrealism yet. Just like we're only now getting a taste of true ray tracing.

(and that ray tracing brings the 4090 to it's knees)

[vital oriole]

exactly

it's clearly so not ready with current tech

i have a mere 4050

can probably only do true rt at 360p

[keen nacelle]

Nah, be generous, 480p

Low settings

[vital oriole]

fair enough

[livid idol]

480p but only with fsr/dlss performance on

[vital oriole]

yucky

[random walrus]

Uhh? Not really?

Niche game today could become a popular game in the future, sure

But AAA is about the studio/devs making and publishing it

[tender pawn]

Hey, is the a770 16 GB better than the 3070?

[vital oriole]

no

it's worse

around 3060ti in reality

[tender pawn]

So I would better off with the 3060

?

[vital oriole]

nah

for 3070's price you can get 6800 i think

[tender pawn]

Sorry just trying to figure whats the best card out there

[vital oriole]

or 6700xt/6750xt

[tender pawn]

ok

[livid idol]

For the price of a new 3070 you can get a used 6800 XT that walks all over it

[fading glacier]

the best card out there? 4090... best card for your budget? well we can help you if you help us with your budget planned for it

[tender pawn]

I'm willing to spend up to $300

I currently have a 1660

[odd siren]

6700xt

thereabouts

[dreamy laurel]

6700xt or a used 6800xt

[livid idol]

Used 6800 XT is about $350 starting price rn

[spare relic]

Why do I feel like 6750xt would be more than a 6800xt

[livid idol]

$310 used https://www.ebay.com/itm/295975412230

Could maybe find one cheaper local

[spare relic]

Ah

[raven wharf]

chad 6800 XT

amd really dropped bangers for the 6000 series but fumbled the 7000

[keen nacelle]

Theyre still doing better than 40 series

7600 has been $200 a good few times, unbeatable anywhere near that price, especially by nvidia

7800xt is atleast not the same performance for more money, like the 4060 ti is to the 3060 ti

Xtx is great at the price, I believe best price/perf gpu this grn

[odd siren]

7000 isn't that bad, it's not as amazing as last gen

XT is

[raven wharf]

It would of been a lot better if they didn’t do the funny xtx name

[odd siren]

XT at 700 is near the top of price-perf

[keen nacelle]

Bruh

[odd siren]

Yes, they definitely fumbled this

But if you look past the naming, it's fine

[raven wharf]

7900 XT should of been 7800 XT

[odd siren]

The stack still stacks similarly

[keen nacelle]

Only been that low once or twice tho, normally $760 or so

[raven wharf]

atleast you can afford them and they give you vram

Afford them as in

Not being 1600

1000 is still tons for a gpu

[vital oriole]

6950xt did have xtxh chip

so like

why not xtx lol

[tender pawn]

I found a PowerColor Hellhound AMD Radeon 6700 XT 12GB on Newegg that should be good thank you

[raven wharf]

Price?

[keen nacelle]

There's some for $320, so if it's more than that I wouldn't recc

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xf92FT/sapphire-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-pulse-video-card-11306-02-20g

[tender pawn]

$329.99 and I know I said up too 300 but I knew I was gonna go over I was just trying to keep close to 3

[tender pawn]

I didn't put in the order yet because I am in class at the moment

That is definitely cheaper though.

[keen nacelle]

Eh $10 diff, it's up to you. User experience will be the same either way

If you want cheaper, you can get a 7600 for $200 off tiktok shop, sold by newegg

4 gb less vram, as well as around 20% worse or so, but also $120 cheaper

Either is a good choice

[tender pawn]

Then I'll go with the one I found then. But last question odd one too I was going to try and clean the 1660 and sell it later on but I wanted to know if rubbing acholol would be the best way to clean it

[livid idol]

Not rubbing alcohol, that'll eat plastic. You want 90+% isopropyl alcohol.

[spare relic]

You don't rub with isopropyl?

[livid idol]

Rubbing alcohol also has a much higher percentage of water which is bad for electronics

[random walrus]

I thought "rubbing alcohol" was just the common name for ~70% isopropyl solutions

I think acetone (nail polish remover) is the potential plastic eater

[livid idol]

Rubbing alcohol is often 70% iso but can have other ingredients

And yes you're right I was mixed up with acetone

But if it's labeled rubbing alcohol and not just "70% isopropyl" it probably has more in it

[random walrus]

Acetone plus styrofoam is a fun experiment

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/styrofoam-cup-face-dissolve-gif-24578205

[random walrus]

If you take the styrofoam goop out of the acetone it eventually re-solidifies, just in a much denser form

[upbeat sable]

So I'm thinking about going for the AMD Radeon 6800 xt instead of the 6950 xt due to cost. Is it absolutely imperative that I get the 6950 xt instead?

[keen nacelle]

new?

and us?

[upbeat sable]

New, and us as in the United states?

[keen nacelle]

yes

[upbeat sable]

Yes

[keen nacelle]

7800xt is same price

$500

[upbeat sable]

Shoot really

[keen nacelle]

ye, its not much better but no reason not to get it over 6800xt

[upbeat sable]

What about wattage? Would a 850 watt psu be fine for it

[keen nacelle]

definitely

could run it on a good 550

[keen nacelle]

did you alr buy the psu?

[upbeat sable]

Yeah

[keen nacelle]

what model is it?

[upbeat sable]

Thermaltake

[keen nacelle]

gf1? gf a3?

either way great psu

could run a 4090 on either of those

[upbeat sable]

Uhhh

Gf1

[keen nacelle]

yeah you're good

[turbid stream]

Is it a big difference between r7 7800x and r5 7600x with rx 6700xt?

[odd siren]

virtually nothing

also go non X

it's (usually) cheaper

runs about the same

but also comes with a free cooler

and chews up less power

[turbid stream]

20 dollars more the x version

on my country

[odd siren]

welp

pointless to go non X then

$20 gets you a better cooler

[turbid stream]

so i go with x or no

cuz im confused

[odd siren]

is the X 20$ cheaper or 20$ more

[turbid stream]

x is 20 more

[odd siren]

then go non-x

[turbid stream]

it runs rhe same?

[odd siren]

they're the same cpu one just runs at 65W

yes

[turbid stream]

the*

[odd siren]

you can even unlock the non-x to run like an x

[turbid stream]

ok i trust u

[odd siren]

the behaviour is practically identical

the non-x is just a downbin

it's certainly worth saving $20 with

[turbid stream]

ok thanks a lot

[odd siren]

np

[somber vector]

Is the RTX 4070 better than a 3080TI ?

[odd siren]

Worse

On like

Every front except power draw

[keen nacelle]

If choice between the two at same price, I think I'd take 4070 though. Much lower power draw, transients and Temps

If 4070 more, 3080 ti

[raven wharf]

can confirm

highest ive seen my cpu go was like 30w so far

[livid idol]

Considering you can get a 3080 ti for $450 used easily that's a full $100 less than the 4070

[ivory herald]

Modest UV also gets the power temp transient difference much smaller.

[raven wharf]

me when the

those reference cards look so good btw

[livid idol]

Oh they made 6750 GRE too?

Are they Asia market and OEM exclusive like the 7900 GRE?

[raven wharf]

Unfortunately

They came out today technically

The 6000 series reference cards are my fav looking

In all black too is crazy

Shame they are Asia exclusive and not really an upgrade for me

[wraith wagon]

Bruh they never even showed up at my door, does my 4070 Ti I am trying to get trying to avoid me?

[wind sable]

yes

[wraith wagon]

It said that there was a issue with the truck when I tracked the order or something with the driver IDK so it should arrive tomorrow

[wind sable]

ok nice, good luck on pc

[wraith wagon]

I still need to make sure I got all the cables plugged in properly because that is the difficult part

[wind sable]

its not bad i built my first one thing monday

[wraith wagon]

and I need to rearrange my fans because I think I have negative pressure 3 120 exhaust and 2 140 intake

I already have most of it built but I am still confused on the cables on the PSU I have a RM850e

[wind sable]

lmao

ask falcie

best helper

youll get through it

[wraith wagon]

@livid idol Halp plz

[livid idol]

I hath been summoned

[wraith wagon]

I needs da halp with my PSU

RM850e

[livid idol]

Ok, what part are you confused with

[wraith wagon]

PSU IDK what cable goes where

IDK

[livid idol]

Ok so it looks like the main 24 pin cable is in

What are the other ones there

[wraith wagon]

Also I think I dont need two cables plugged into CPU power

[livid idol]

You should have one 8 pin labeled as CPU (or EPS)

Correct the second is optional

[wraith wagon]

there are 2

then there is 3 PCIe cables

[livid idol]

How many connectors does your GPU need

[wraith wagon]

IDK it is going to arrive tomorrow its a 4070 Ti

[livid idol]

Which model, I'll check

[wraith wagon]

Zotac?

[livid idol]

trinity? amp?

[wraith wagon]

trinity

OC IDK know if that makes a difference

[livid idol]

Ok that needs triple 8 pin for the 12VHPWR adapter (which will come with the card)

[wraith wagon]

and where would that go in my PSU?

[livid idol]

So ideally you'll want to plug 3 different cables in for the most safety and stability

Any of these works

[wraith wagon]

so use all those slots?

because 1 from my CPU and 3 for my 4070 Ti

[livid idol]

One will be for the CPU cable and the other three you can use for the PCIe cables to the GPU adapter

Right

The order you put them in doesn't matter

[wraith wagon]

Ok I might still yelp for help tomorrow just to make sure I did everything right like where my CPU header thingy connects to

[livid idol]

Sure, someone will be able to help if I can't right away

[wraith wagon]

I just plugged it into the sys fan 3

[livid idol]

That will be fine

[wraith wagon]

ok

[livid idol]

Were you going liquid cooler or air?

[wraith wagon]

air

[livid idol]

Ok so the CPU cooler fan you'll want to put on the CPU fan header but other than that it doesn't matter which you use

[wraith wagon]

I am going to rearrange my fanes so the 120s front and 140s exhaust

[wraith wagon]

Ya I got that

[livid idol]

That would be more ideal

I thought you said the screws were stripped though?

[wraith wagon]

Its just that I have to remove everything which is going to be a pain

[wraith wagon]

I will use some elastic bands trick to get them out and the extra screws

[livid idol]

Ah ok

[wind sable]

huge cooler holy

[wraith wagon]

I want to be cool :) 13600KF

[wind sable]

w build

13600kf and 4070ti

[wraith wagon]

and I dont want to deal with water

[wraith wagon]

Ya

[wind sable]

aio are not too bad

[wraith wagon]

Money go buy buy

[wind sable]

fr

how much was the whole pc?

[wraith wagon]

might get better fans tho

[wind sable]

hows the case?

[wraith wagon]

let me do da math one sec

[livid idol]

cough cough https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zP88TW/thermalright-frozen-notte-argb-7237-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-notte-240-black-argb

[wind sable]

real

[wind sable]

i want to get aio but too expensive

[livid idol]

$53

[vital oriole]

forzen notte is ultra cheap

[keen nacelle]

C12c 3 pack is 20 cad

[livid idol]

Isn't that about what you spent on an air cooler

[wind sable]

my build is 500 bro

[keen nacelle]

If you want nee fans and dont care about rgb

[wind sable]

thats 20% of the budget

[wind sable]

i used stock

[livid idol]

10% but I see your point

[wind sable]

im not good at percentages xD

[keen nacelle]

There's a bit cheaper, I think thermalright frozen prism at $47

But not a big difference

[livid idol]

prism non rgb $47 ye

[wraith wagon]

I just got some rosewill fans for 7.99 cad each and got 3

but I think I will upgrade sometime in the future

[wind sable]

i want lcd

xD

[keen nacelle]

There's another new thermalright aio https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TmWJ7P/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-240-white-v3

Cheapest out of any of them

[livid idol]

Eh slower fans

[wraith wagon]

I saw this and wanted to get it but first of all my case is a mesh side and its more money https://www.amazon.ca/DeepCool-Digital-Heatpipes-Dual-Tower-Display/dp/B0C3G5RZ1T/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=CjwKCAjwp8OpBhAFEiwAG7NaEm7bLejPE24fUvi7G3Iwe4WzJsoyhHz7_9Lj7dZJ47ent8df2KEPbBoCYUcQAvD_BwE&hvadid=668188232602&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1001952&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=13387752621597118943&hvtargid=kwd-2089872203269&hydadcr=24951_13702445&keywords=ak620+digital&qid=1697773927&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.b06bdbbe-20fd-4ebc-88cf-fa04f1ca0da8

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, white and rgb though so would be nice for people on a budget who want a white aesthetic

[livid idol]

For white I'd do this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WhYRsY/thermalright-frozen-edge-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-fe240-white

[keen nacelle]

Thermalright has a good few cheaper dual towers

Scenic v2 is also really nice

Lcd display for a very reasonable price

That replying to fal ^

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3 $44

[livid idol]

Thermalright has really been going hard in the pc cooling and case game

[keen nacelle]

Black + rgb is same price too

[keen nacelle]

Yeah they're my favorite company to shill right now

The only section of the cooler market they don't dominate is high end aio

[wraith wagon]

$2690 CAD after taxes and shipping stuff if they had shipping cost

[wind sable]

Damn

[wraith wagon]

I got some of my parts on sale my SSD was 50% off my ram was 20% off my Mobo was 15-ish% off

[wraith wagon]

Know any good case fans because I think I might upgrade sometime after a bit

[wraith wagon]

WHAT GPU IS THIS?

[livid idol]

Accelerator card

Often used for mining or AI

[raven wharf]

you

explain to me this

please

[livid idol]

What about it? It's a workstation GPU meant for high VRAM usage tasks like massive 3D models or AI training

I'm surprised the cost is that low if anything

[raven wharf]

oh ai card

thats what the big ai thing is about

idk why i thought they just used like 4090s

lol

[livid idol]

Yep, AI loves to suck down as much VRAM as you can throw at it

24GB like the 4090 is nice but that has 32GB

[raven wharf]

im trying to convince my dad to let me buythe 6950 btw lol

i cant remember if it was you or felix who kept laughing at me that i missed that OCed 6900xt for 499$

[livid idol]

These are a bit more premium, high airflow, low noise, rgb
https://www.newegg.ca/phanteks-m25-120-d-rgb-fan-black-case-fan/p/N82E16835709206

[raven wharf]

those look nice

i wish the lian fans werent 85 for like 3 bro

[wraith wagon]

hehe

[wraith wagon]

Ya I am definitely gonna get those soon

[wraith wagon]

Got any others?

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-up-funny-meme-guy-gif-22610169

[livid idol]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4YddnQ/lian-li-st120-6917-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-st120-3b

[wraith wagon]

Its not that much :)

[livid idol]

There's plenty of ways to cut that cost down, especially with the new sTR5 platform coming. NVMe carrier cards up the wazoo.

[odd siren]

basically a full 4090 but made for ai

or rather

quote "4090 TI"

[livid idol]

It's definitely not for gaming and you shouldn't use if for that just like with the 3090

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-wink-gif-15694137

[wraith wagon]

Nah 100000 ain't that much right

[odd siren]

someone using that for gaming is like taking a bugatti veyron to the Le Mans

[livid idol]

Considering all the streets are closed when they go through cities yeah

It is indeed handicapped

[odd siren]

just more illogical

400KM/h car against 350km/h cars

but can't turn

tires last 10 minutes

no brakes

weighs a ton

lol

[livid idol]

Also handicapped because games don't know wtf to do with it

[wraith wagon]

Are the Lian Li fans hard to put together because I see one of the pictures have all those cables and board

[odd siren]

pretty much, it's tailored for ai and workstation

it's a serious card

[livid idol]

A lot of games will straight up fail to launch

[odd siren]

and then you get somewhat 4090 experience when it works

even though it's on paper stronger

[odd siren]

ok my best experience recount is this

[livid idol]

Nah it's just 2 cables per fan, it's not the uni fans. Worst case you get a rgb controller.

[wraith wagon]

But why 10k for it

[odd siren]

cable management? Big dub
cables, bleh

software, bleh

performance, bleh

RGB? meh, not bad

noise, bleh

they're selling you on 2/6 things, the rest you take a bit of an L over

and then there's the price

[odd siren]

it's the creme de la creme

the pinnacle

the top of the line

data centers, supercomputers

that price tag is why Nvidia makes money in the server market

[wraith wagon]

Oh ya I got my money back if you had not heard my bank was holding it

[odd siren]

business, server, ai, they make way more money than gaming

nice man

that's good, now you got it with a clear head ye?

[wraith wagon]

Then bought the Zotac 4070 ti from bestbuy because it was cheaper

[odd siren]

niceee

[wraith wagon]

It was gonna arrive today at 10pm but they don't deliver even close to ten so I will get it tomorrow and after that WINDOWS stuff and other stuff

Check this out on @Newegg:LIAN LI UNI Fan AL120 V2 RGB Black 3x 12cm Fan Pack with Controller - UF-AL120V2-3B https://www.newegg.ca/lian-li-uf-al120v2-3b-case-fan/p/1YF-005G-000B7?Item=1YF-005G-000B7&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-1YF-005G-000B7-_-10192023

This looks so simple but the cost is ahhhh

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-money-squidward-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-vacuuming-money-gif-25761430

[wraith wagon]

Check this out on @Newegg:CORSAIR iCUE SP120 RGB ELITE Performance 120mm PWM Triple Fan Kit with iCUE Lighting Node CORE, CO-9050109-WW https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-co-9050109-ww-case-fan/p/N82E16835181236?Item=N82E16835181236&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-35-181-236-_-10192023

Number 1 for case fans but money is still ahhh-ish

[odd siren]

super expensive lol

you know the fans I like

they beat all the flashy ones for $4 a piece

Thermalright C12C-S

super cheap, rgb is pretty good, performance is excellent

[wraith wagon]

Thermalright TL-C12C-S CPU Fan 120mm ARGB Case Cooler Fan, 4pin PWM Silent Computer Fan with S-FDB Bearing Included, up to 1550RPM Cooling Fan https://a.co/d/e2tdDf8

This?

[upbeat sable]

Will the gpu im getting be able to be put on this motherboard?

Because the gpu says atx and the motherboard is a mini atx

[vital oriole]

yes

[upbeat sable]

OK thank God, because I already bought the gpu

[keen nacelle]

Yeah mobo and gpu have nothing to do with eachother compatibility wise, you're good

You could put a 4090 on a mini itx board from 2005 (if those are a thing)

[odd siren]

if it fits, it works

[wraith wagon]

I cant fit one of the 140mms in the back of my case I was going to do 3 120 front and 2 exhaust 140mms

So what do I do?

Do I take one of the 120mm from the rear so 2 140 front and 2 120 rear

@livid idol halp if there

[wraith wagon]

Halp

[livid idol]

You can put both 140s on the top of the case

It's only slightly less optimal

[raven wharf]

pffft

i dont think an xfx 6950 will fit in my case if i ever get one lol

[spare relic]

Stretchy stretchy

Or alternatively vacuum seal it so it's smaller

[raven wharf]

idk if thats how it works lol

[spare relic]

Yes yes

[raven wharf]

but ive been excited about the king 95, supposedly that drops next month

[livid idol]

There's nothing a Dremel can't fix

[raven wharf]

a who now

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/cut-it-jake-watson-corridor-crew-using-pruning-shears-cutting-with-big-scissors-gif-26206959

[wraith wagon]

Do I plug in with the normal cable and the one with a split?

Or use this the one on the right comes with the 4070 ti and the left comes with the PSU

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/kleomenis-tool-gif-14328067

[livid idol]

You can use the 12vhpwr cable that came with the power supply

[wraith wagon]

Yay what do I need to do next I know I need to do xpm

[livid idol]

You'll want to enable xmp after installing windows, so there's no risk of corruption

[wraith wagon]

Ok

[wraith wagon]

What does a green light mean on my mobo

[livid idol]

Where on the board

If it's near the 24 pin cable and it already went past the bios splash screen then it's probably the indicator that it's looking for a boot device

[wraith wagon]

It says boot under the light

[livid idol]

Yep it's looking for something to boot from

Plug in your USB to install Windows with

[wraith wagon]

I have to go get one I have one and IDK how much gb it had and it only had 2gb when I tried

[livid idol]

Oof yeah that's not enough

[wraith wagon]

Also where do I get a license key?

[livid idol]

You technically don't need one

Officially you buy a retail key. Unofficially, there's gray market keys you can get that we can't really talk about here.

[wicked hound]

Grey market keys are pretty safe tho.

[wraith wagon]

I am most likely going to get a gray market one because it is 20 instead of 200

[livid idol]

You don't need one to get up and running to start with too, you can always get a key later when the watermark starts to bug you.

[wraith wagon]

Ya but I would like to have a background

20 ain't that much if I go that route

[livid idol]

You can change the background

Find a picture and right click it, set as desktop background

[wraith wagon]

Oh I thought can't

[livid idol]

You just can't use the "personalization" menu

[wraith wagon]

Thats it?

[livid idol]

Yep

[wraith wagon]

Bruh 200 for THAT

[livid idol]

And the watermark

Yep

[wraith wagon]

Is that just on the background

[livid idol]

It sits in the foreground no matter what but it comes and goes as it pleases

[fading glacier]

pretty funny to see that on twitch streams xD

[wraith wagon]

I finally got my PC after almost a month and a half later yay

[wraith wagon]

I activated mine as soon as I got windows installed

which was a couple hours ago now

[wraith wagon]

BeamNG running at 200 FPS max settings is still shocking me

[livid idol]

That just means you need to make more complex boards

More physics... more... MORE

[wraith wagon]

I maxed maxed BeamNG like reflections and stuff with traffic and it went down to 130 FPS but it won't go below 100

me is very habby

[vital oriole]

try vulkan renderer

12gb should be enough

i can't run vulkan on beamng cause i only got 6 gigs of vram

atm the vulkan api needs a lot of vram to function

at least for beam

[raven wharf]

@odd siren look what I missed

i have the money my dad just wont let me buy it so rip

i'll prob just save for a nicer desk and monitor(s)

[fading glacier]

are you that desperate for an upgrade from a 6700xt? seems like i see your post everyday drooling about it e_e

your card is pretty good, again i would save that money for next gen instead

6700 to 6950 seems like throwing money in the water to me, only worth if its second hand below 300

my opinion ofc

[raven wharf]

not really "desperate"

its what i originally wanted to do just out of my budget

i prob should of planned better but it is what it is now

[wind sable]

rather save up until a year or 2 get upgrade to a better computer

[raven wharf]

im thinking for rn: new desk, new monitor(s) and a case swap

[wind sable]

why case swap?

if your computer runs things you want it to to theres no point in upgrading

[raven wharf]

i decided to pick a white case knowing full well it went with nothing in my room

i want to make something that does match fully

also montech king 95 is releasing next month

[wind sable]

paint the case black lmao

no need to spend 50+ bucks on a new one

[raven wharf]

id prob swap it into my old prebuilt my sister uses

it'd match her desk better

[wind sable]

yeah probably

[warm girder]

Will rx 6600 run games like apex and elden ring

also is it well pared with ryzen 5 5600?

[fading glacier]

yes and yes

[random walrus]

If you can spend an extra $20 I'd grab a 6650xt instead https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rfLFf7/msi-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-mech-2x-oc-video-card-radeon-rx-6650-xt-mech-2x-8g-oc

Or maybe a 7600 off of the TikTok shop if there's a good sale price there

[wraith wagon]

Rendering is so much better in Blender me likey

[random walrus]

Bros gaming with blender (?)

[keen nacelle]

They use blender for work iirc

[wraith wagon]

I did not record for long because it slows it down a lot

I was baking fluids :)

[wraith wagon]

Well time to game with Blender now

[hasty sphinx]

I'm trying to remember what all I've seen about this topic. 7900xtx is better for gaming than a 4080? Even with RT??

[odd siren]

at the same price? no

but that's the thing

[heady turtle]

Better in raster (normal) worse in RT, somewhere between 4070 and 4070ti RT

But usually about 200$ cheaper

[hasty sphinx]

Gotcha. Trying to figure which way I want to go this time. I no longer have my Aorus Master so I'm gpuless

Or gpuseless.

[odd siren]

💀

[velvet grail]

is it possible to like "force" windows 10 to install my igpu drivers? i want to check if the ones installed by windows differ in any way because all other official ones downloaded from intel seem to crash

or maybe they interfere with something else which makes the pc freeze

never had that much time to check what exactly causes the problem but i'm sure gpu drivers do contribute to it

[livid idol]

Yes, extract the driver to the install USB and when you go to select where to install Windows, tell it to load driver and point at the folder you extracted to.

[velvet grail]

sorry, i meant the ones that windows itself downloads when there isn't any

[livid idol]

If you uninstall and delete the iGPU drivers from task manager it'll revert to the default

[velvet grail]

I'm currently not using igpu drivers on the device as they usually make it freeze after 5 minutes or so. is there a workaround?

[livid idol]

Different version of the driver usually helps

[velvet grail]

i tried like 20 different versions over time and all of them crashed, i remember one did not, but for some stupid reason i updated them and i cant remember what version it was

[harsh compass]

would i get the 40 series 8 pin or 12 pin lian li strimer for this gpu 4070 GAMING OC 12G?

[heady turtle]

wha happen?

[heady turtle]

should be the 12 pin

[hasty monolith]

Which is a better game between immortals of aveum and lords of the fallen that uses ue5?

[hasty sphinx]

Threw it in a build and made $2k

[keen nacelle]

W

[heady turtle]

gottdam, xtx is the easy purchase tho tbh assuming you dont have the weird 6950xt issue you had before with your build for some weird reason

[dense cliff]

Was wondering if swapping my 3070 for my 7900XT would make much of a difference for VR? I bought a 7900XT for my VR rig but saw all the negative things about VR performance so I've just had it in my main rig for the past 9 months, but am thinking about switching over now that the VR issues are no longer listed in the driver patch notes.

Also have an Intel CPU in my VR rig and I've never mixed AMD and Intel together before

[livid idol]

Mixing brands is no problem, they're totally independent of each other.
In most cases the XT should be a fair bit better in VR.

[keen nacelle]

Vr tends to do better on nvidia gpus, but I think 7000 series caught up a bit. Did you ddu?

[livid idol]

Considering the XT is roughly equal to a 4070 ti, and the penalty for VR on AMD, you can expect generally 4070 like performance. Which is a small step up from the 3070 but you do get more memory.

[keen nacelle]

Yeah it should definitely be doing better than a 3070

[odd siren]

Penalty?

[livid idol]

AMD takes a slight loss to nvidia in VR, mostly driver and game related things

[odd siren]

???

[raven wharf]

I LOVE DRIVERS

they have never ever given me issues

[raven wharf]

thoughts on the potential 40 super series from those who know more than me? https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-rumored-to-feature-20gb-memory

[gleaming tundra]

NV

[keen nacelle]

If they made a 3060 super that atleast matches the 2080 at $280 or 4070 super that atleast matches 3080 12gb at $550 those would be ok

[wicked hound]

It's funny, 4080/4090 are the least needed Super GPUs tho

[livid idol]

Or the most needed because AMD is taking a bunch of market share

[wicked hound]

Do 4080Ti, lower 4080 price

[livid idol]

They're also the easiest to make a super of because they're both cut down dies already

Plus with the 4090 being restricted in China and company they can push out a 4080 super with 20GB VRAM and bypass the restrictions completely

[wicked hound]

Still just seems like a 4080Ti tho

[vital oriole]

^

and will cost more than top radeon sku anyway

[raven wharf]

about time

i hope a 7900 refresh eventually happens with a noticable increase in performance

not like 6900 vs 6950

there was like no difference

even tho theres no need

[wicked hound]

It doesnt really feel like Nvidia wants to do proper tiering, so this "almost XX80Ti" Super SKU prolly means no XX80Ti this gen.

[vital oriole]

eh

i doubt it

[livid idol]

7950 XTX has long been rumored as possible. Basically just a 7900 XTX with blasted power and clocked up memory.

[vital oriole]

but 7950 xtx is a possibility

[raven wharf]

i want it to exist

so it drops the price of the 7900 xt

[vital oriole]

eh

it'll continue to drop without it anyway

[raven wharf]

it went back up to 799$

black friday itll prob drop

[livid idol]

It was a test PCB in the AMD lab so it kinda existed but AMD didn't feel like blasting the power like Nvidia did and making the cards super unstable (like the 4090 melting issues)

[vital oriole]

still less than 4070ti and outperforms it if we speak in the value context

[wicked hound]

Fact that AMD cant get G6X is kinda dumb. Really wonder how Nvidia pulled that off.

[livid idol]

G6W would be an easy thing

[raven wharf]

whats g6w

[livid idol]

I'm glad you asked

[vital oriole]

gddr6w

[livid idol]

https://www.pcgamer.com/samsungs-new-gddr6w-graphics-memory-doubles-performance-and-capacity/

Double performance, double capacity, smaller package, using less power so less hot

[vital oriole]

it's now an insect

6 solder legs

or balls rather

i know there's way more than 6 but shh

[livid idol]

It would require basically redesigning the PCB surrounding the memory and GPU core because it is physically different interfaces, but if they're doing a refresh anyway why not

Next gen is supposedly G7, potentially. It's still up in the air.

PAM3 signal time

[hot folio]

Ngl I feel like it’ll have the same cooling problems as the X3D chips because of the stacked DRAM

[livid idol]

It doesn't

[hot folio]

Easy to cool but will have high temps no matter what

[vital oriole]

am5 x3d chips are hilariously ez to cool tho

7800x3d ran on stock cooler

just that the am4 ones were hot

[livid idol]

Yeah it hit the limit but didn't throttle with the 7800X3D on wraith

[vital oriole]

it can chill with a single tower

with reasonable temps

[odd siren]

cos they didn't match the XTX in raster

[wraith wagon]

Hmmm

I wonder how well my PC would do probably around the same as the 4070 I think

[odd siren]

that is a nice af spec sheet

nothing crazy

[wraith wagon]

I should be able to at maybe almost max with DLSS, FG and all that other stuff and I don't mind it at all

[random walrus]

well... the 1080p60 settings is using performance dlss/fsr2

on a 6700xt/3070 which are typically high end 1080p or low 1440 cards

Upscaling technologies are cool but i'm against using them as the default. Especially settings other than ultra quality / quality

they should be used as a boost to already decent performance or to make up for lower frames when turning on RT

[livid idol]

I'm surprised with a sheet that detailed they didn't bother putting in the new 7900 models with better ray tracing into the RT columns

[odd siren]

well I get that, but if the game is simply difficult to run I'm not against those expectations

I'm against it if it's clear from poor optimisation, but we don't know that yet

[wicked hound]

Same performance, no increase in bandwidth per bit

[odd siren]

like people were really polarised over starfield, yet most of the guys I talk to not from the pc community found it very enjoyable

[random walrus]

if a 3070 has to run medium settings at 540p to get 60fps it better look like real life lmao

[odd siren]

that's what I'm saying

[livid idol]

It does increase the bandwidth per pin to 22 Gbps over G6X's 21Gbps

[random walrus]

fair enough.

we shall see

[odd siren]

if it don't it'll be trash

and in defence of this, I've seen far worse recommended spec sheets of late

at least this one looks somewhat comprehensive

[wicked hound]

G6X is 24Gbps

[livid idol]

Per pin though?

[odd siren]

meanwhile G6

[wicked hound]

Idk per pin, I only know per x32 width

Which afaik is more notable

Nvidia doesnt use 24Gbps binning tho

[livid idol]

At any rate it's still an improvement over what AMD has access to currently, which is only G6 since Nvidia is monopolizing Micron G6X. So Samsung G6W would be a good move imo.

[wicked hound]

G6X stuff
https://www.micron.com/products/ultra-bandwidth-solutions/gddr6x/part-catalog

[wicked hound]

It is better, but how you say it's better is kinda misleading compared to G6X cuz perf and size isnt really changed much per bus width, which is the more limiting factor for GPU mem

[proper egret]

Just curious on peoples opinion, I am considering switching to AMD once I get my RTX 3080 back from repair. Are AMD drivers still kinda meh still? Last time I had AMD was when I had the RX 5700 XT and I remember having a good many issues with crashing and black screens. But I am considering to get a RX 7900 XTX for schooling, once we get into more GPU heavy workloads id like to have a good amount of headroom on the GPU

[vital oriole]

they're solid now

xtx in games is faster than 4080

heavy workloads idk, but in some cad programs it destroys nvidia

embarrasses even 4090

[proper egret]

Currently, we are using 3DS Max mostly, but its the first term, and we will eventually move on to stuff like Unreal Engine and other engines, my 3080 was working pretty good, but with the capstone project I am worried that my card wont be enough for development so I am trying to think ahead lmao

Plus, I am worried I will get my 3080 back and it will only last a few months before dying again

[keen nacelle]

Unless you're doing blender amd is fine

Felix would be able to give more info on that, that's just the part I remember. Like foxy said there's some things amd excels at over nvidia

Like solidworks i think?

[vital oriole]

Siemens nx cad

that's where amd killed nvidia so hard with 7000

[proper egret]

Honestly, I will probably be only using 3DS Max modeling wise, mainly because during the first term of my schooling is artists and developers together in the first term, after that most of my time will be spent in engine rather than modeling stuff. So a 7900 XTX might be slightly overkill

[vital oriole]

yeeeeah

it's overkill for sure lol

[proper egret]

Lmao, then again, I can justify it as I may upgrade to a 4K monitor or an ultrawide, I like my 1440P monitor but ultrawide would be nice

[keen nacelle]

Uw 1440p is more demanding than 4k, so an xtx would be warranted

Especially with current pricing, xtx is the best value out of any current gen card period

Only way you'll get better value is with the used market

Though xtx went back up to 950

[proper egret]

I mean, looking at prices, nearly 1200 Canadian is still high lmao, but if I can justify it with schooling then I can sorta make it work

[keen nacelle]

Which kinda sucks

Oh Canadian market is different

One min lemme take a look at prices

[proper egret]

Its expensive up here 😭

[keen nacelle]

Cheapest xtx is 1300 cad

[proper egret]

I think I hear my wallet sobbing lmao

[keen nacelle]

7900xt at $1040 isn't awful

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/k72WGX/powercolor-hellhound-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-20g-loc

Whether it's worth it coming from a 3080 though...

[proper egret]

See, thats where I dont know

[keen nacelle]

3080 to 7900xt is like, 25%? 30?

If not less

[proper egret]

Probably yea

[keen nacelle]

So eh

If you can, id either wait for prices to drop or next gen. 3080 should still hold its own at uw 1440p or 4k, as long as you're fine with turning down settings

[proper egret]

Honestly, I dont fully need to upgrade, I am just worried my 3080 will die again after I get it back, its already been kinda rough with a 1660 TI the last week or so

[keen nacelle]

Ah that's understandable. You could sell the 3080 for what, 550 cad+?

[proper egret]

Probably around that

[keen nacelle]

So an xtx would net cost you about $800

Unless there's sales on black Friday

[proper egret]

I got a buddy that is interested in it if I go to sell it when I get it back, so easy sale right there

[keen nacelle]

Idk how hopeful I am for that, but it wouldn't be crazy if it did happen

[proper egret]

I mean, a sale is a sale lmao

[keen nacelle]

Sorry that wasn't a response to you selling to your friend

Was continuing off my last message before that

[proper egret]

Oh I know lmao

I was responding about the sale part anywho haha

Tbh, if I do go for the card, selling the 3080 should be no issue, its a great card as is and I never had issues up until recently, but I think it was just a manufacturing defect that was dormant (I think thats the word I am looking for?) cause it only showed up after I had upgraded to my Ryzen 9 7900X

[keen nacelle]

What was the issue?

[proper egret]

Not exactly sure, card would crash in anything 3D after warming up, sometimes it would crash just the driver, sometimes my whole PC

Eventually I couldnt get it to display anything

[keen nacelle]

Oh fun

Hopefully that's solved when you get it back, if it isn't and it's still under warranty you might be able to demand a replacement

[proper egret]

Hopefully, I am just hoping I get it back soon so I can actually play newer games again

[dense cliff]

Was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for features I should enable/disable in the Adrenalin software on a fresh install?

[wraith wagon]

Do you think I will be able to run 1440p max raytray with DLSS and FG?

[hot bough]

Nevermind, misread. You probably could if 60 fps is your target.

Any reviews on this specific 4090? nno3D NVIDIA Video Card RTX 4090 X3 OC

[keen nacelle]

it's fine

not spectacular not bad

there aren't really any bad 4090s

[wraith wagon]

Ya all I want is atleast 60 FPS max with DLSS and FG

[hot bough]

Gotcha, mind if I inquire about a few other models?

[keen nacelle]

Sure

[hot bough]

Between the Galax SG, Gigabyte Windforce, and Asus Tuf 4090 models, which performs best?

[keen nacelle]

Tuf or windforce, but between those two I'm not sure

My guess would be tuf

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

Which is most quiet would you say? Reviews suggest the SG, but not sure if I can trust it.

[keen nacelle]

Then I'd say sg, I've never seen side by side comparisons

[hot bough]

Ahh okay.

Btw any news on the 40 series refresh?

[wraith wagon]

When I do upgrade it is most likely going to be 50 series update or it might be a 4080 IDK also a 13700K or 13900K one of those 2 because why not

[hot bough]

Kinda strange upgrading from a 4070 ti to 4080 isn't it?

I mean you do you of course.

[wraith wagon]

In the future :)

Maybe

[livid idol]

4080 super maybe?
Coming soon

[wraith wagon]

Or go with the next 50 series

[wraith wagon]

I do want to check that out

[hot bough]

Is there gonna be a 4090 S/TI?

[wraith wagon]

not ti

[wraith wagon]

just super from what I have heard

[livid idol]

Possibly. The 4090 is a cut down die already so it's definitely possible.

[wraith wagon]

Oops nvm I though you ment 4070

[hot bough]

Gotcha. I really hope I don't keep running into issues preventing me from upgrading. Had to go to the hospital recently that ate up all my money for gpu.

[wraith wagon]

US?

[hot bough]

I am in MX at the moment.

[wraith wagon]

Oh ok

[wraith wagon]

I am going in for eye surgery in IDK how long it is jammed packed at the moment

[hot bough]

Ouch.

I have what seems to be glaucoma so I feel you there.

Lots of black spots in my vision.

[wraith wagon]

Oh no I have something I won't be able to remember the name but my left eye is more dominate then my right eye so it become weaker over time and it is really sensitive to light I have blue light filter at max because I get a head ache from it and I have had it since birth so I don't have great depth perception and not the best vision in general I would put more because it is hard to explain typing it

[hot bough]

Ouch, hope the surgery goes well.

[wraith wagon]

The pain is said to be like getting your eyelash stuck in your eye for a month or 2

[hot bough]

from the surgury?

[wraith wagon]

because they will be tightening my eye muscle IDK what it is something like that I can't fix it I am just doing that so my eye will no longer drift after looking at screens for a while I am to old for it to be completely fixed if only we caught it early

[hot bough]

Well I hope it works as much as possible man, stay safe and be well.

I recognize how annoying eye problems can be.

[wraith wagon]

still have a year or 2 because they have very little amount of surgery time because of the hospital they are using to do it at

[wraith wagon]

It really only the light other then that it is fine

and astigmatism

[odd siren]

You may? Idk wait and see

I mean you definitely can, but at reasonable fps? Who knows, magic 8 ball question atm

[wraith wagon]

I guess I will see because I am getting it for free so why not try

[wraith wagon]

I need halp IDK why it is stuttery it fine from my game view but though the video it is stuttery

oh its AV1

[hot bough]

Ark Remastered is making even 4090s sweat at 1440p.

[oak rivet]

yeah lumen and nanite is not cheap

[wicked hound]

Not cheap if that is your only "optimization" method*

[limber flax]

Couldn't possibly be any other way to optimize graphics

[upbeat sable]

So question about the cords that connect the psu and gpu

I notice that for both of the cords I have, each of them have 2 6-2 pin connectors. One of the 2 on a single cord has the 2 pin part right next to the 6 pin (right), but the other has the 2 pin separated (left) on the picture below. When i try to plug in both of the 6-2 pins into the gpu, its impossible to get the one with the seperated 6 pin and 2 pin in there. Do I need to use 2 of these cords and only utilize the connectors that are together?

[spare relic]

grandma connector with mommy connector and baby connector

[upbeat sable]

Yes, but mommy and baby are annoying me to death because they won't go into the gpu.

Like this?

Also please excuse the cable management

[spare relic]

looks like they're in

and I will not excuse bad cable management, get good

[spare relic]

24 cyberdeck ram

[hot bough]

.... What did I just witness

So many pins touching metal.....

[upbeat sable]

Nothing, don't worry about it

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-hide-you-didnt-see-anything-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-15123878

[hot bough]

https://tenor.com/view/bite-yummy-big-hot-dog-tasty-delicious-gif-14228491

[hot bough]

https://tenor.com/view/new-tech-smell-linus-linus-tech-tips-ltt-storage-gif-24924838

[upbeat sable]

She's beautiful

[fading glacier]

yeah... cant excuse bad cable management xD it will look 1000x better with cables hidden

or hidden by the cables 😄

[outer juniper]

hello! i have a question in regards to an nvidia m60 tesla card i just got. it looks like the cable that came with it is missing a pin, however, a normal 8 pin connector has the pin. is it okay to use a normal 8 pin on this card?

[fading glacier]

yes

[fading glacier]

pins are standirized

[outer juniper]

okay thank you!

yeah, that is what i figured. so no issues running it with a pin to sense pin?

[wraith wagon]

its a temporary desk but it will do

[outer juniper]

for some odd reason the 8 pin connector doesn't fit @fading glacier

cable from psu on the left, cable from m60 gpu on the right

[livid idol]

They're keyed differently

[outer juniper]

would it matter if i connected the other end of the m60 cable to the same spot of the other on the psu?

[livid idol]

What does the other end of the M60 cable look like

[outer juniper]

1 sec

[livid idol]

Hmm that almost looks like the CPU EPS connector but not quite that either

[livid idol]

Actually now that I look at this one again that's the EPS for sure

Which would make sense if they're trying to push 300W+ through a single cable since the EPS spec goes much higher than PCIe spec.

[outer juniper]

ah yikes i think my evga 1000 g3 only has two eps connectors

[livid idol]

You only need one for the CPU

[outer juniper]

on a ryzen 9 3900x?

[livid idol]

Yes, even on a 14900k

The second is optional for extreme overclocking, like pulling 500W with a LN2 pot on it

[outer juniper]

o.O thanks for letting me know that. does it matter which one i remove?

[livid idol]

The motherboard manual will specify, or the board will be labeled something like "CPU 0 / CPU 1" and you'd want the lower numbered one typically

[outer juniper]

kk thank you!!

[raven wharf]

real

[wraith wagon]

Damn I already did

[outer juniper]

@livid idol appologies for the ping. so the keying is actually different on the riser connector side of the cable. i presume this is because server installs have a different layout? would polarity be the same if i just used a normal cpu eps cable from the psu directly to it?

i checked with a volt meter and it breaks it out differently. but i assume that is just due to how riser's work

[livid idol]

It's keyed exactly according to the EPS spec and they wouldn't do that by accident, so it should be correct +12V and ground. I'm guessing that it's the riser that had the different keying like you suspected, especially considering the missing pin.

[outer juniper]

okay thank you, just wanted a sanity check before i plug this thing in and power it on. thank you for the help!!

[livid idol]

No problem. I remembered hearing at some point that some of these server cards used EPS power, too, so it's interesting to see one that does

[outer juniper]

yupp. all of tesla's do it sounds like from the googling haha

booted successfully with no issues :)

[royal copper]

Tesla? Do you have some kind of airflow going to that if it’s in a desktop case? Most tesla cards don’t have fans and are designed for the airflow from rackmount server chassis

[outer juniper]

currently, no. i plan on adding fans later on though. just wanted to get this working.

unfortunately going through a problem now though. i ended up flashing it to compute mode using gpumodeswitch. the problem i'm facing now is it wants to boot from it when i boot my pc and my tuf gaming x570 motherboard sits on a white vga light. when i unplug the card, the pc boots fine. not quite sure why it's wanting to boot from that card despite it being in the second slot. I've also reset the cmos to rule out that odd factor and running through the same issue

prior to flashing and the card being in graphical mode, the pc booted with both cards in with no problem

let me know if you have any ideas on why this would happen. i'm thinking some sort of bios setting

[wraith wagon]

Alan wake 2 is quite good though my pc at max graphics with dlss extra performance and frame generation i got 70 100 fps mostly 70 though I rate not bad

[random walrus]

What resolution?

[oak rivet]

it runs too good for the looks breathe of fresh air from stuff like starfield

[random walrus]

if you consider running it on a $750 GPU at 1/4 native res, upscaling it, and inserting fake frames as 'too good', sure

[oak rivet]

Yeah how the end result looks like should be the topic

[wraith wagon]

1440

[wraith wagon]

I was kind of surprised because people made me think I could not even get 60 fps I will say that when I have to edit the video I need to do a lot of blurring out

[oak rivet]

Words and Deeds - YOU WILL BE ASHAMED OF THEM

[vital oriole]

you can't get 60 fps without frame gen

that's the thing

relying on frame gen just to achieve playable experience is pretty lame in itself

looking good is one thing, but needing frame generation to retain it isn't worthy of praise

[random walrus]

Frame gen and performance mode DLSS (1/4 native res)

[vital oriole]

right

so you're essentially running well below 1080p

[wraith wagon]

Well good enough for me even though I would like to run it native but if it works it works

[vital oriole]

yeah i mean 1440p is fine enough to run dlss even on perf mode

just not native, which is a bit sad

[wraith wagon]

It looks fine in my recording so I am happy

[wraith wagon]

There are a few bugs I have noticed if you point the flash light into a mirror it is purple and sometimes everything will become very dark so I have to change dlss to quality then back to extra performance to fix it

[vital oriole]

ya that's the result of upscaling tech having too litte information to use

so it causes these artifacts

[oak rivet]

oh also highest settings is path tracing normal rt with dlss quality is the way for you

[hot bough]

I gotta wonder what's going on with these Studios pushing out such unoptimized games.

[keen nacelle]

Theyre making games so we can play them at playable frame rates in 4 years

[hot bough]

Honestly sounds about right.

[keen nacelle]

I did not think that it's been a year since the 4090 came out

[hot bough]

Is the code that messy or are they making games too visually heavy?

[keen nacelle]

Visually heavy I think, games are so caught up in becoming the most true to life experience looks wise, they're ignoring the downside of that

Though also bad development in some cases

Like hogwarts

[hot bough]

Just shy of a year cause I was looking into buying it this time last year till I had to move homes.

[keen nacelle]

Oct 12 was it's launch date

Not sure when it was actually available though

[hot bough]

Same day if you were willing to pay scalpers.

Cause I recall having waking up early to try and get it and they were all scalped.

[hot bough]

Honestly it's getting out of hand. They should at least offer a option like COD and Ark does to reduce Texture quality for reasonable frames.

Albeit Ark is quite unoptimized.

Visually appealing though.

[royal copper]

I would take a look into bios. I know for a fact there is an option to select other gpus such as the integrated gpu. Not sure what motherboard you can but look somewhere around the advanced settings, could be related to pcie, primary devices, entry boot, etc

[wraith wagon]

Would adding one of the fans like this work or just get more fans and rearrange them

I already have the one on the left. this is when I was building it

[rustic pulsar]

set both as ehaust

.airflow

,airflow

1 second

[wraith wagon]

Ya but that would make it have even more negative effects

So more fans I guess I have 2 140s front and 3 120s only 2 are installed right now for exhaust

[keen nacelle]

Whats the case? Just got here

[wraith wagon]

Fractal north

[keen nacelle]

Any side or bottom intakes?

If not 2 140s at front for intake and 3 120s at back for exhaust isn't really that bad

The 140s don't pull much less air, especially if the 140s are better fans you're fine

[glad wolf]

New Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 being sold on amazon

MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3090 24GB GDRR6X 384-Bit HDMI/DP Nvlink Tri-Frozr 2 Ampere Architecture OC Graphics Card (RTX 3090 GAMING X TRIO 24G) https://a.co/d/idr23bb

[livid idol]

A 4080 would be better and cheaper

[livid idol]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMN3S3RK?th=1

[glad wolf]

It would be but I don't see the benefit of the 4000 series

[livid idol]

The benefit is it costs less than the 3090 but performs better

[glad wolf]

What was added or removed to make 4000 better than 3000?

[wraith wagon]

top and front only

[livid idol]

DLSS 3.0 and better ray tracing primarily

[wraith wagon]

and FG

[keen nacelle]

Literally everything was changed

The core, vram, bandwidth, clock speed, every single thing aside from I guess bus size?

The 4080 destroys the 3090 in literally everything

4070 ti beats the 3090 too

The xtx also destroys it, and is cheaper than a 4080

Rtx and dlss are also better on 40 series

Also $1300 for a 3090 when the only reasonable price for them is $650-800 is funny

[glad wolf]

How does 4090 hold up against the amd graphics card?

[keen nacelle]

4090 is about 20-25% better than the 7900xtx

The xtx is what, 30% better than the 3090

[livid idol]

There's no comparison to the 4090 right now but it's wasted at anything less than 4k

[keen nacelle]

^

https://youtu.be/keAfHwIwIOk?si=rkPzdGovhOH7yxma

In reality gap between 3090 and 3090 ti is lower, atleast for gaming

Xtx is a little bit better than 4080

[glad wolf]

I'll look into that

[wraith wagon]

I ain't far behind but now that I think about it I should have saved to see how good the 4080 super would have been

[livid idol]

The 4090 is spiking in price right now because politics with China

[keen nacelle]

Xtx https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GtXJ7P/xfx-speedster-merc-310-black-edition-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx-79xmercb9

4080 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PGWzK8/gigabyte-eagle-geforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-gv-n4080eagle-16gd

[keen nacelle]

Wow yeah, $1700

[wraith wagon]

I went with FG and balanced DLSS and I get little over 60 FPS which I am fine with there is a lot less artifacts and what not same settings too

[livid idol]

They're shipping as many 4090s into china as they can right now before the sanctions hit.

[frank dagger]

other than using DDU, is there anything else i need to do before installing a new driver?

before i used to do it via geforce and express with the driver i had in use.
probably gonna update to see if i crash on games still

[livid idol]

DDU is mostly for when you're having issues, which sounds like a good idea in this case. If the latest driver still crashes try to DDU again and use an older version.

537.13 has been pretty stable for me. It won't have optimizations for games launched in the last couple months, though.

[frank dagger]

hm, cause i was studyin the nvidia threads, most ppl be sayin:
"clean system install, you always clean install every driver, you're messing up installing my guy..."
is that even right????

[livid idol]

Eh. I reserve it for troubleshooting and downgrading.

It's technically good practice for Nvidia cards but not super necessary.

(AMD clean install is bugged and disabled right now)

[wicked hound]

No, top front fan as exhaust would cause two issues. One is that it is exhausting untouched air from the front, wasting intake airflow. The other is that it is now taking air from the CPU cooler, making the cooler get less air and perf worse.

[livid idol]

That's why I often recommend leaving that front top slot unoccupied, it does more harm than good

If possible you can even block off the vent

3 front intake, rear exhaust, top rear exhaust. That's ideal for air cooling.

[rustic pulsar]

got ya

[wraith wagon]

Is H.265 faster then H.264 because when I used H.265 it use my GPU to encode a video but with H.264 it only used my CPU?

[odd siren]

It should use gpu for both unless you opt for it

Also you should use AV1 if you can with a 4070 Ti

Probably already know this but making sure cos it's just plain better

[keen nacelle]

When I streamed I tried cpu encoding bc I thought it would be better, with a 3600 while playing warzone my stream was getting like 10 fps

[wraith wagon]

I am exporting from Da Vinci Resolve

[wraith wagon]

Oof Power Point stream

[keen nacelle]

Yeah it was awful lol, I never had any viewers so not like anyone saw it

And noticed it almost immediately anyways

[livid idol]

Da Vinci Resolve should support AV1

[wraith wagon]

Same goes for my YouTube channel I make the best I could and get like 13 views

[keen nacelle]

I just did it bc why not, I had a friend who I knew from a friends twitch who'd stop by a lot though

[wraith wagon]

and then my friend made this and he blows up https://youtu.be/ERGfao1Acqc

[keen nacelle]

Was just fun to talk to them

[livid idol]

I saw one guy export using AV1 at 300 fps on a 4080

[wraith wagon]

I did not see AV1 when exporting

[livid idol]

It might be an advanced setting you need to enable

[wraith wagon]

I will have to take another look after

[wraith wagon]

is it on the free version?

[livid idol]

Studio only afaik

[wraith wagon]

oof

GPU acceleration is a studio thing but you can use H.265 to do it oof

[livid idol]

So weird that they would lock an open source codec like this but they have to make money off you somehow

[wraith wagon]

NVM I can't even watch it because I need to pay to view the video there is only audio will it still upload to YouTube with video

[wraith wagon]

Does this look ok IDK why but I think it looks low quality or is it that I am going BRRR https://youtu.be/HJ1iJzjdUfk

[livid idol]

It looks fine to me. Probably youtube compression things are what you're noticing.

[wraith wagon]

Do I install a second NVME ssd the same way as the first one I put in my pc power off and psu off and unplugged

[livid idol]

Just powered off should be fine

PSU off if you want to be safe

[wraith wagon]

In the first one or the second one do I put it in

[livid idol]

Usually doesn't matter

[wraith wagon]

Ok

[wraith wagon]

So this is fine?

Do I need to do anything else?

[cerulean rover]

initialize it in windows and that should be it

[livid idol]

That's perfect. If it's a new drive initialize in disk management yeah

[wraith wagon]

And how do I do that do I just start up my pc?

[livid idol]

Open disk management and it automatically prompts you

[wraith wagon]

Ok

[livid idol]

Select gpt and call it good. Create new simple volume in the free space. Defaults are fine if you're using the whole drive for one partition.

[wraith wagon]

Where is disk management

[livid idol]

Right click the start button

[wraith wagon]

It is not showing up

[livid idol]

No drive at all in disk management?

[wraith wagon]

Just my C drive

[livid idol]

Alright try the other m.2 slot

[wraith wagon]

Ok

[livid idol]

It's probably just a setting in bios you'd have to change but swapping slots is faster

[wicked hound]

@wraith wagon Kinda wishy washy. It should be free, but isnt for Nvidia users rn. AMD has it tho

[wraith wagon]

What does a white light mean

[livid idol]

Where? On the drive?

[wraith wagon]

Mobo

[livid idol]

Where on the mobo

[wraith wagon]

I turned it on then off and it went away

Ok it initializing my nvme now

[wraith wagon]

Was around here

Do i need to restart so I can use it?

[livid idol]

There's a stack of 4 lights there that indicate what stage of the boot process it's in. If it gets stuck, it can help show where it's stuck.

[livid idol]

No, right click the unallocated space, new simple volume

Accept the defaults, you can change the drive label if you want

[wraith wagon]

ok it works now thanks

[wicked hound]

Also I suppose it could be not intended to be free but accidently was, thus mixed issue. But docs say it's suppose to. Which was kinda a pain to find, bleh,
https://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/SupportNotes/DaVinci_Resolve_18_Supported_Codec_List.pdf?_v=1689663610000

Nvm on that, tried finding DR Studio codec list and there wasnt one. So it's shared. Basically no statement from company then afaik. Only that Nvidia and AMD GPU users have confirmed differing featuresets that can be used.

[vivid arch]

lmao i have no idea whats going on with my amd gpu, why is it like this

im having flickering display issues on my other monitor and i went to update my drivers for my rx 5500xt and it's still flickering, so when i tried to set it to primary project display, keeps making the disconnect driver sound

[wraith wagon]

I just used H.265 I would like to use AV1