graphics-cards

[silent cradle]

Or is the amd drivers in newest version still 💩

[graceful flicker]

is your 6650xt running fine?

I think amd drivers are better now. not sure though because I havent used AMD in a while

[raven wharf]

amd drivers scare me

i have had really bad issues with my 6700 XT but they thankfully (knock on wood) havent happened for almost a month now

i havent updated in awhile'

[graceful flicker]

last time i messed with drivers i broke my gpu

it fried it

idk why

[raven wharf]

fried??

[graceful flicker]

yeah something like that

i smelled smoke and then

it stopped working

[raven wharf]

damn thats crazy

what gpu was it?

[graceful flicker]

gtx 1080

good excuse to upgrade

[silent cradle]

I haven't had my "pa-300" issue show up in a bit now

but I have Lunar client (minecraft) constantly crash

it could be a download error or a driver issue apparently

[twilit cliff]

Could anyone help me find a gpu that pairs with the 12400f for a price of around 440 eur max dont mind if its second hand

[odd siren]

Used 6800xt/6900xt probably hits around that mark

[twilit cliff]

any nvidia?

[odd siren]

I'm not sure what used nvidia goes for off the top of my head

I'm an Australian in a US server giving EU advice, lol

[twilit cliff]

used to live in australia Canberra was neat anyway thanks for the help 👍

[odd siren]

Np

I liked Canberra too but only cos I drove through it

Would never live near politicians 💀

[keen nacelle]

If you find it within your budget, 3080

But otherwise 3070/2080 ti

3070 or 2080 ti shouldn't cost close to 440 euro though

[heady turtle]

You might be able to find a used 3080 for that price, nothing from Nvidia that's good new for that price tho

For new cards, 6750xt is probs your best bet

[velvet grail]

Getting my 6950xt tomorrow for €450 :]
Need a 120km trip tho :[

[odd siren]

Worth it

[velvet grail]

Yepp

[heady turtle]

120km each way or round trip?

[velvet grail]

It's a used, about 3 months old card so yep absolutely worth it

[velvet grail]

Roun

d

[heady turtle]

Oh that's not too bad i thought you meant each way and I was like le oof

[velvet grail]

By train cuz it's cheaper and faster

[heady turtle]

Ah that's handy

[velvet grail]

I still need to get a 5600x 💀
The 3600x is going to bottleneck the card even if it's overclocked

[graceful flicker]

i got my 3070 for like 350 after tax

it was a good deal and runs great

[graceful flicker]

well as long as your 6650 is running fine, I wouldn't see any reason to upgrade. But I would understand if you wanted to

[hot bough]

I suppose so.

Was wondering how bad the bottleneck situation is with a 4090 on a WQHD monitor compared to UHD/QHD monitors.

[vital oriole]

the 4090 wouldn't be the bottleneck

[hot bough]

CPU is bottlenecking the GPU right?

[vital oriole]

yes if rt is on

or even not without rt, cpus aren't fast enough for how demanding games have become on cpu

7800x3d can't keep up sometimes

[fading glacier]

and bottleneck is a term between gpu and cpu, not gpu and monitor

[vital oriole]

^

[heady turtle]

Well just hardware in general counsel also be ram/storage

[hot bough]

You guys think Meteor Lake or 8000 series ryzen chips will be able to keep up with a 4090?

[velvet grail]

Nah
4090 too powerful

[hot bough]

Kinda a good thing tbh.

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[hot bough]

Only future proof gpu on the market sort of.

[hot bough]

That's good to know.

[quasi flicker]

Any recent CPU keeping up with a 4090 shouldn't be an issue

[keen nacelle]

At 4k without rtx, correct

Also not "any"

Even a 7700x or 13600k is technichally a bottleneck with a 4090 at 4k

Not a super noticeable one in a lot of scenarios

7600 is the bare minimum I'd go for 4090

Otherwise downgrade gpu and get a better cpu

[quasi flicker]

When the games run like crap

[keen nacelle]

A game running like crap does not mean a gpu is not being bottlenecked...

Bottleneck just means one part is being limited by another

[quasi flicker]

I know

Just the amount of games that aren't optimized is just sad

Or purposely run badly so that you need the newest hardware

A 4090 shouldn't be running any game at barely 40 FPS in 4k with RTX unless you're pairing it with some toaster CPU

But here we are

[fading glacier]

👀

[random walrus]

Curious what game is being referred to here

[fading glacier]

heresy

even my 4770k should be a good couple for a 4090

[ivory herald]

4790*

[quasi flicker]

The 40 FPS? the LoTR game is what I was thinking of

there are still some other ones that barely hit 60 on it or don't at all

[random walrus]

Yikes

[quasi flicker]

I can't tell if people interpreted that as literally any recent CPU

[odd siren]

I mean

[quasi flicker]

I'm obviously not talking about a Celeron or something, I'm talking about an R5/I5, R7/I7, or an R9/I9

[odd siren]

If you have a 4090, for most current content you really want a baller cpu with it otherwise you will be easily bottlenecked

[quasi flicker]

in what

[odd siren]

Games

[quasi flicker]

I haven't seen any games that use that much CPU power

[odd siren]

A 13900K can bottleneck a 4090 at 1440p

[random walrus]

I'd personally consider a 5600 recent and that's definitely going to bottleneck a 4090

[odd siren]

Note the words "can" and I'm not talking about something obviously light like csgo

4K you'd be looking at any mid-high end 13th gen, 12900K/F, Ryzen 7000, or any x3d imo for a 4090 to run decently

[quasi flicker]

So what games are using so much CPU power that they're causing bottlenecks

[odd siren]

But 1440p it's still a bottleneck game across most titles even with a 7800x3d or 13900k

Oh god I need to provide a list?

[random walrus]

Off the top of my head, Warzone and battlefield

[quasi flicker]

7800X3D is literally just a more expensive 7700X, there's almost no difference between single-core speed on both

not worth the hundreds of dollars difference in price, at least

[random walrus]

Cache matters a lot in gaming

[odd siren]

There is a definite marked difference in both in games

[quasi flicker]

If it weren't L3, yes

[odd siren]

What

[quasi flicker]

and wasn't a bottleneck for the CPU

[odd siren]

No it still matters

That's like saying ram doesn't do crap

[quasi flicker]

In some games there's a little improvement, but in most things there's no difference or it's worse

[odd siren]

What???

[quasi flicker]

And more than $100 more

[odd siren]

Blud there's a marked 7-15% difference between a 7700x and a 7800x3d

[random walrus]

https://youtu.be/8JL3-Cv3LAQ

[odd siren]

Some games it's as much as 30-50%

Like factorio

[random walrus]

x3d is beating the 7900x in most titles or tying it

[odd siren]

Yes it'll tie in some titles depending on the bottleneck

But in others there will be clear differences

[random walrus]

Yeah and that's the 7900 not 7700

[quasi flicker]

Compression
7 - ZIP

yeah very helpful

[odd siren]

7900 puts more emphasis due to dual ccd latency

[random walrus]

Later in the video is games

[quasi flicker]

as if there aren't eight different compression libs in 7z

[odd siren]

Keep scrolling sir the games are there

[quasi flicker]

So I guess they've fixed issues since the 5800X3D

but AMD basically screwed up their whole plan on the 7950X3D I see

[odd siren]

Early on it was flakey, they've got the core parking thing down pat now

7950x3d normally edges 7800X3D by a tiny bit due to the extra clock, certainly not worth the hundreds between them though if all you play is games

[fading glacier]

Cheesus

a lot of Whats on this chat

[spare relic]

what

[fading glacier]

even im in shock

what?

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-what-is-happening-dim-dim-what-confused-gif-26463317

[fading glacier]

i guess 10-15% is little to no improvement at all but oh well

[quasi flicker]

In a few games

[oak rivet]

[graceful flicker]

HOW IT IS GOING

🤯

[velvet grail]

Can someone help me find measurements for the xfx Merc 319 gpu box? (I they're the same for every xfx rx card)

[vital oriole]

calculating shipping costs?

[random walrus]

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=xfx+merc+319+box+dimensions&t=iphone&ia=web

First hit. Scroll down the page a little

[velvet grail]

I feel like they're wrong because there it's showed as if the box was almost a square but it's not. Looked up on another website and found the right ones

This is not a cube...

[junior locust]

Uh you get up to like 40% more frames while doing just as well if not slightly better than a 7700X does...

[velvet grail]

Bruh they got it wrong there too, 17.5" is ~44cm, not 34 lol
Apparently it is around 44×23×12.5cm. can't be 34 because the card itself is 34cm long

[odd siren]

340mm

And the box is 344mm

Is what I was guessing anyway

[velvet grail]

There's some space between the card and the box, should be 430mm

Or 440, something around that

[odd siren]

I actually have this box but it's buried too deep in storage for me to get it rn

Well, an XFX box anyway

[velvet grail]

Don't worry, I was just looking for a backpack in which I can put the box in

Should fit perfectly

Good

[valid bluff]

hello, i was wondering if this video card is compatible with this power supply, motherboard and power supply, https://www.newegg.ca/rosewill-cmg1200g5-1200w/p/N82E16817182454?Item=N82E16817182454 https://www.newegg.ca/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-11322-02-20g/p/N82E16814202429?Item=9SIA9U1JSR4924 https://www.newegg.ca/black-corsair-carbide-spec-delta-rgb-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811139136?Item=N82E16811139136 https://www.newegg.ca/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gam-wif/p/N82E16813119311?Item=N82E16813119311

[lone pond]

everything will work together, but you can save a ton of money on the power supply. $200 for an 850w unit is a lot

[valid bluff]

got a suggestion? id' like something that can survive a long time

[lone pond]

that case also looks to have very little airflow, but if you really really care about aethetics then everything will at least fit lol

[vital oriole]

1200w tho but 850w is plenty for anything

is this gonna be a whole new build?

[lone pond]

yeah, idk where I read 850 lol

[vital oriole]

if so, gimme a budget in cad

i'll throw up a list or two together

[valid bluff]

here is my current buiild

UserBenchmarks: Game 101%, Desk 100%, Work 101%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X - 95.7%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080 - 104.1%
SSD: Kingston SNVS1000G 1TB - 164.4%
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200 C16 2x16GB - 79.4%
MBD: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI)

4k monitor 60 fps

[vital oriole]

ah

what's the current psu?

also don't use ubm, it sucks anyway

[valid bluff]

psu is Micronics ASTRO Gold Series AST-650W

[vital oriole]

yeah you'd definitely need something better to fit 7900xtx

gimme a sec

[valid bluff]

thx 🙂

[valid bluff]

it simply made sense at the time

[vital oriole]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/qNKKHx/corsair-rm850e-2022-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020249-na @valid bluff

this will do more than nicely

[valid bluff]

thanks a lot

[valid bluff]

thanks for the site i was looking for something like that

[vital oriole]

plop this in along with xtx and you're good

yeah pcpartpicker is pretty nice

it scrapes every major sites for prices

sometimes deals can go unnoticed but a lot of them are listed on there

[valid bluff]

it confirmed that i managed to find the best deal for the 7900xtx 😄

[vital oriole]

nice

[keen nacelle]

I'd def change case for an xtx

[sharp trellis]

Did a windows 10 reinstall and DDU the drivers that windows downloaded it...and then used the latest drivers. No crash on COD, at least on my 7900xt.

[vital oriole]

Nice

Might have been windows that's the broken thing

[sharp trellis]

Uhh bad or good news

[sharp trellis]

Went to test Fortnite DX12

guess what.

no DX12 crashes 🙂

[vital oriole]

nice

that prompt is also okay, nothing serious

just windows things

[sharp trellis]

Ight

[lone pond]

probably SAM

[sharp trellis]

What's that?

[lone pond]

smart access memory; AMD's name for resizable bar. it allows the CPU and GPU to negotiate how much data can be accessed at a time, or the size of the BAR. with SAM/resizable BAR off it's limited to 256MB, but can be much greater when enabled

it's a PCIE feature too, which is nice. so as long as the GPU has the firmware for it you can get some easy performance gains

[sharp trellis]

Interesting

[lone pond]

it's a much bigger difference on AMD in my experience. Nvidia only gets a few percentage points usually, but on my 6800 it's rarely below a 5% gain. which isn't a ton, but it's free so I'll take it lol

[velvet grail]

I'm testing my new 6950xt in some games and i noticed taht the framerate in beamng hasn't improved much. there's some stutter aswell. could it be just the bottleneck from the 3600x? (already ordered the 5600x)

[sharp trellis]

Yeah 3600x is bit old

5600x is gonna help that

I reckon

[sharp trellis]

What resolution are you running?

[fringe scroll]

Beam likes ram and lots of it

[velvet grail]

1080p

hehe

[velvet grail]

and i've got plenty. btw it uses 8-9gb on avg

[sharp trellis]

Hmm, see if you can run MSI afterburner to show cpu percentage used and gpu usage

[fringe scroll]

Could just be cause I have like 150mods LMAO

[sharp trellis]

150 mods damn

[fringe scroll]

Yeah..

[sharp trellis]

Anyways see if cpu maxes out before gpu reaches 100%

Then that’s your bottleneck

[velvet grail]

i've got my rtss overlay, and i didnt even think about checking the percentage... :/

[fringe scroll]

It's likely cpu tho haha

[fading glacier]

pretty much the cpu xD

[velvet grail]

well, beamng doesn't max out cpu but i can see the gpu sitting at about 60-70% so yep, it's not being used at its full power

[fading glacier]

but thats expected, an xtx with a 3600 is an odd pairing

[sharp trellis]

There you go

How long till 5600x gets here

[velvet grail]

yep. i just didnt expect to get this good gpu deal before swapping my cpu

[velvet grail]

should be 3-4 days

[fading glacier]

yeah gpu deals are a no brainer, you just shoot first and ask question laters 😄

[sharp trellis]

Neat. I own 5600x its holding up well with 7900xt

[velvet grail]

aslo it's using just 110w of power... and not 300 or so

[sharp trellis]

This is the way

[fading glacier]

yeah its pretty much sleeping

[sharp trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[velvet grail]

at least i'm getting 280 fps while crashing my vehicle on gridmap v2

thats PLENTY

[heady turtle]

I love how stupid this works
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cwve7anyGb9/

aorus_official

The first launched low profile graphics card for GeForce RTX 40 Series is here! 🙌
Introducing the GIGABYTE RTX 4060 Low Profile GPU! Measuring at only about 7 inches in length, the card is perfect for compact and unique build needs!

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Likes

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[velvet grail]

Gigabyte always surprises me with their GPUs

[sharp trellis]

I see potential for killer 4k media consumption build

[odd siren]

I legit kind of want one for a nuc sized build

Do I need one tho? No

[heady turtle]

Yess

[peak rock]

Is the RX 6800 worth getting over the 7700 xt

[heady turtle]

We won't know until the reviews are out which should be tomorrow i think

[solid glacier]

Am i good to update my gpu drivers?

23.8.1

[odd siren]

Ye if you want

23.8.1 is decent so far

[velvet grail]

got some questions about bottleneck, my previous config was 3600x+2080, now it is 3600x+6950xt, it seems that I'm getting worse fps in some games with the new config. could it be because of the bottleneck? I also get some pretty noticeable stutter in some games (such as beamng), is that bottleneck too?

[heady turtle]

No, it could be a bad driver install or something, I'm trying to think but not much else should be causing that much of a difference

[hot folio]

Yes you do

[velvet grail]

Drivers are ok, I used both ddu and and cleanup utility. Reinstalled them many times because of the errors I had with adrenalin software install

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/13tp8fn/constant_stuttering_with_6950xt/ could it really be a PSU problem?

[heady turtle]

Not much else i can think of, how much power is the card using max btw?

It could ye

What's your psu

[velvet grail]

Like 303w max as that's the limit

[heady turtle]

That should be fine

[velvet grail]

I don't know about spikes then

Some 6950xt usually spike to 500+ watts

[velvet grail]

650w MSI a650gf
That's not the recommended one as they say 850w but I guess it works

At least doesn't trip ocp

(from some online review I found that this PSU can have a peak power of about 900w for a brief period before ocp trips or it reaches a high temp)

[heady turtle]

I'd imagine that's fine but I'm a bit stumped, maybe @odd siren has some insight when he wakes up

[velvet grail]

I really hope it's the CPU bottleneck, a new PSU is also on its way, bought it this morning because of a price error

Also checked a bunch of posts online about Rx 6900 stutters and there are wayyy too many things that could be causing the problem, this is what people say could be the main problem: power delivery to either CPU or GPU, (vrms), bloated windows install, bad drivers, bad bios settings, ram speed and latency, motherboard, PSU, and even ssds

But I should probably wait to actually "finish" the build and test it out properly with the right hardware. waiting for the 5600x rn

[raw nebula]

Yo anyone willing to give me a free GPU this is for a video on my yt one of my first trying to go viral with this is one or as people say “making it out the hood with this one” yk haha but I’ll shout you out if so!! Does not matter the GPU btw

[solid glacier]

I got a 6900xt thinkin about upgrading to a 7900xtx thoughts?

[solid glacier]

Similar issue I had

Spent months trying to figure it out

[hot bough]

Would be a decent uplift but whether or not the value is there is up to you.

[vital oriole]

reinstall windows as a test

it's usually windows that's the cause

[raven wharf]

7700/7800 XT reviews come out today right

[vital oriole]

idk, im not too caught up on gpu news honestly

to me it's a boring year

[raven wharf]

nuh uh

im super excited for 7800 XT

at 499 msrp

and eventual price cuts in the following months

def will be my next upgrade

@vital oriole what are your thoughts on the 7700/7800

[vital oriole]

not much gains, eh launch price

good enough to cause nvidia to drop 4060ti 16's price by 50, but it's not enough of a stir personally speaking

[velvet grail]

And what was it?

[velvet grail]

It's incredible how AMD has all of these driver issues on their cards (even if they then slowly solve most things) but cmon, idle power usage being over 40w?? Just because of my screen refresh rate, if I drop it to 120hz apparently it likes it and starts drawing less than 8w idle

[velvet grail]

It should not happen with Nvidia cards usually, you probably have some driver problems I guess

Have you ever tried ddu and reinstalling?

My 2080 idled at 9w

As well as my 1080ti

And basically every other Nvidia card I owned

It's more like 14w but it rarely goes lower too

Still pretty low

45w is wayy too much

That's a bit odd

[velvet grail]

Naah, there's something wrong. I also had a 1070 non-ti and it averaged like 7w

That can't be

[spare relic]

my 970 bottoms out at 12w

[velvet grail]

+my old 980 2gb was like 15w if I remember correctly

But that was a long time ago

Maybe I'm wrong

Idk

I wish I got back these more nicely laid out power consumptions readings on my 6950xt too

[ivory herald]

Well that's just hwinfo

[oak rivet]

Hmmm that's similar power draw to a 4090 watching a 4k60 video on a 240hz 1440p monitor

[fading glacier]

totally accurate

30w at idle on 4080

probably you had a low refresh monitor on your cards sas enjoyer

thats why your idle was too low

[velvet grail]

when i get these folders with the hd5300 drivers does that mean i have to install them manually this way: device manager > graphics card > hd5300 > properties > drivers > update drivers > browse for a driver on local pc...?

[velvet grail]

always had a 144hz monitor with my 1070 and 2080, as well as a 165hz but thats not much difference

1080ti running with a 60hz monitor atm, but when it was on the test bench I had the same low power draw at idle even with 144hz display.

[livid idol]

I have the high idle issue when I have multiple monitors, especially if they have mixed refresh rates (one 165hz and one 75hz for example)

And that's on both my 3080 ti and my old 2070

I'm pretty sure that's a separate but similar problem, where it doesn't clock down when you have multiple monitors

[velvet grail]

On AMD it can be solved by setting a custom refresh rate like 164 instead of 165, but you'll be limited to 6bit colour (don't even know if there's a noticeable diff with 8bit color)

[velvet grail]

In intel HD graphics control panel there's a setting called like: "screen energy saving technology" or something like that and it has a slider underneath, going from max quality to max battery. Hasit been proved to actually do something/affect performance or is it just useless?

[ivory herald]

Multi monitor use has long caused high idle clocks even sometimes w/ matched res/hz. Happen to ever try multi display power saver in this program?
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-inspector/

[livid idol]

I'm not running multi monitor at the moment, I gave away the secondary. If it's a problem in the future, I'll deal with it.

[velvet grail]

Oh I just remembered
Fal your back... Where have you been? I still need some help with the FTP server :]

[fading glacier]

run falcie, run!

https://tenor.com/view/run-will-smith-gif-13621522

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-gif-26329300

[raven wharf]

7700/7800 drop tomorrow lets go

cant wait for a subtle performance increase over the 6800 XT

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112464991094833232/1134726830805483621/7DFBB949-DB82-4D5A-A400-BE6AEDAC1F7A.gif

[livid idol]

The important part is it's a subtle performance increase without raising the price

[fading glacier]

the subtle part is to skip this gen if you already own a 6000 series card

[peak rock]

i like it

[livid idol]

Or a 30 series for that matter

Depending on what you play ofc, apparently a 3060 doesn't hold up too well on Starfield.

[peak rock]

so is rdna 3 only on the new cards

[livid idol]

Yes, 6000 is RDNA 2

[peak rock]

is rdna 3 worth it

[livid idol]

Not unless you need AV1 or you can get it cheaper than an older used model

Used is really the way to go these days

[peak rock]

crazy

[graceful flicker]

nvidia could never

[livid idol]

4060 ti be like

[random walrus]

3060 owners malding that their 12gb vram is not in fact 'future proofing' their gpu

[oak rivet]

atleast they dont have to worry about texture issues

[random walrus]

playable framerate > textures

[oak rivet]

💀

[random walrus]

ive heard it works well with 8gb and might even get by with 6

[oak rivet]

in the case of starfield it does

[wicked hound]

I play at 1p for playable framerates no matter how many wheels of cheese the Cheese Man spawns

[raven wharf]

should i try and snag a 6950 XT

[keen nacelle]

6800xt is $484

6800xt alr beats 3080 10gb tho

And I think 6950xt is closer to $630 now

Ye $484 vs $630

Could still go either way though

6900xt is $580

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CLWBD3/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6900xt-pgd-16go

[raven wharf]

ik that makes me nervous

[keen nacelle]

I'd say that's the move

[raven wharf]

i could give my 6700 XT to my sister

shes using my old prebuilt

[keen nacelle]

Or $435 refurb 3080 from zotac

[raven wharf]

how quick

[heady turtle]

6800xt already down 15$ to 485

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/x4TW8fHVcxw

[raven wharf]

Zamn

[raven wharf]

Finally an AMD w

[odd siren]

Welp, that went just about as I expected

It's basically the same as the old gen into the new gen

Same as the 7600, it's quite nice, just not the best

As AMD beats AMD in that case

My new favourite graph lmfao

[heady turtle]

Meh

[keen nacelle]

Aside from 4090/xtx/4080 this gen is just a refresh

[odd siren]

Tmw AMD has better rt value than Nvidia

[raven wharf]

XTX is basically equal to a 4080 isn’t it

[odd siren]

Yes and no

[keen nacelle]

Beats it

[heady turtle]

Lol except 6800xt is cheaper by 15 now so it's better

[odd siren]

In a lot of cases beats it

[odd siren]

Yes

[raven wharf]

Idk what I should upgrade to, I want to stay with AMD gpus

I want a 6950 but they are gonna run out soon

[odd siren]

I mean a 6700xt is still one of the best value gpus rn

[keen nacelle]

6900xt is $580

[raven wharf]

This is true

[odd siren]

Imo don't upgrade

[raven wharf]

Did it drop?

[odd siren]

Find another way to release ur fomo my guy

[keen nacelle]

No it's been there a couple days

[heady turtle]

If you're not looking to upgrade in the next couple days, there's no point looking super close into what you'd upgrade to anyway

[oak rivet]

Not bad just buyer probably should try to tune the power draw a bit

[keen nacelle]

^

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/essp-galahad-slumber-party-enderblitz-go-gif-24281455

[keen nacelle]

What pato said

[raven wharf]

Only reason I’m considering upgrading is cause I can give my current 6700 XT to my sister who’s using my old prebuilt

[oak rivet]

As the competitor gpus really are drawing a lot lower power

[keen nacelle]

What gpus in there rn?

[odd siren]

Oh well in that case it would be a decent present

[raven wharf]

Pffft uhh

Hold on

[odd siren]

6800xt would be a good jump, but 7700xt even, it should be very close

[keen nacelle]

If 6800 is similar to 7700xt, it's $430

Might see some further sales on it

[odd siren]

I could believe that outcome too tbh

[raven wharf]

16 RAM and a new cpu wouldn’t be that expensive either

[odd siren]

But that's still not bad, just not best

[keen nacelle]

Please don't put a 6700xt in this

It would cry

[raven wharf]

I’d upgrade ram and cpu obv

[odd siren]

God damn that needs everything else first lmao

[keen nacelle]

Depending on the mobo, 3600/4500/5600/2700x/3300x

[odd siren]

New cpu, ram, ssd, probably psu

May as well change case

Hey look that's almost everything

[heady turtle]

No point upgrading your gpu til 8000x3d tbh

[raven wharf]

Also fair

[heady turtle]

Oh wait you mean the prebuilt nvm

[raven wharf]

I might just save and get a nicer monitor

[odd siren]

What monitor you got rn?

[raven wharf]

Uhh idk but it’s not even a 1080p it’s like 720

lmao

[keen nacelle]

720p on a 6700xt?

[odd siren]

That's deserving of an upgrade

[keen nacelle]

Or for your sister's build

[raven wharf]

Mine lmao

[keen nacelle]

Because if you're running 720p on a 6700xt I'm going to cry

[raven wharf]

go ahead

cry

[keen nacelle]

Crying

[odd siren]

Time to go get monitor reccs

[raven wharf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1083817564121075833/1144437038414835722/E3EE6C6D-B3F6-43F9-A70B-9D99C620AE94.gif

[keen nacelle]

What would you wanna spend on a monitor

And I'd go 1440p since you're planning to upgrade gpu

[raven wharf]

Like 250 at most

Idk if that’s

Feasible or not

For 1440

[keen nacelle]

That's reasonable

One min

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JPrYcf/gigabyte-g27q-270-2560x1440-144-hz-monitor-g27q

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CChFf7/hp-x24ih-238-1920x1080-144-hz-monitor-2w924aaaba

Anyone able to confirm if this is a better panel than the g242/g241?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gmytt6/msi-optix-g2412-238-1920-x-1080-170-hz-monitor-g2412

[keen nacelle]

Upgrading gpu tho

So 1440p :p

[keen nacelle]

It's basically the same

[odd siren]

Well yeah if he goes up at all

[odd siren]

Do u hav review

I want to learn

[keen nacelle]

Nein, iirc it was pato who told me but i could be wrong

[odd siren]

@heady turtle gib review

[raven wharf]

I imagine I would prob go with this if it’s capable at 1440

[odd siren]

If you upgrade ye?

[raven wharf]

This would be for my 6700

[odd siren]

Cos 6700xt won't have legs for 1440p for a lot longer methinks

Depends what games you play

[raven wharf]

That’s also true

My 6700 has given me bad driver problems

It hasn’t happened in awhile

thankfully

[odd siren]

Eh no I mean fps wise

[raven wharf]

I tried contacting asrock and have gotten nothing back from then

[odd siren]

Lmao

[raven wharf]

I know

[heady turtle]

For what monitor?

[odd siren]

G2412

[keen nacelle]

6700xt is fine at 1440p, it might struggle in that new game that came out that's demanding asf buy I can't remember the name of

[odd siren]

Not the g242 or g241

G2412

[odd siren]

Minefield

[heady turtle]

I only seen g242 or g241 reviews

[odd siren]

Starsweeper

[keen nacelle]

Considering upgrading gpu in the "near" future tho, I'd say no point in going 1080p

[young mauve]

hey guys, so i plan on building a pc to replace my crappy lenovo prebuilt that keeps overheating. Is an rtx 3060 12gb good for streaming, video games and premiere pro ?

[keen nacelle]

What is your budget for a new pc?

3060 12gb is only good for like $230 or lower, and $230 is pushing it

[young mauve]

max budget is 1500€ (1607$) and the gpu is at 279.90€ (299.97$)

and the 3060 12gb is the cheapest of all amazon

[keen nacelle]

What country?

1500 euro should get you a much better pc than a 3060 would fit in

[young mauve]

its max i have a config for 1200

[keen nacelle]

What country

[young mauve]

france

[keen nacelle]

Ok I'm about to be driving but give me like 10-15min

I'll make a list for you to compare to

(I'll probably be asking you a few more questions too)

[young mauve]

ok thanks

btw happy birthday

[keen nacelle]

Ty

Gonna make the list now, couple questions tho

Do you need wifi or are you using ethernet?

Do you care about ashetics, and if so what look are you going for?

Is 1200 euro just for the pc or including monitor/keeb/mouse or anything like that?

@young mauve

[young mauve]

yeah 1s im gonna send the part list

[keen nacelle]

Kk

[young mauve]

so heres the pc (answers question 1 and 2)
Intel Core i5-12400F (2.5 GHz / 4.4 GHz)
be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black (with LGA 1700 bracket)
Gigabyte B760 AORUS ELITE AX
Corsair Vengeance DDR5 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) 5200 MHz CL40
Gigabyte RTX 3060 Eagle OC V2 12GB
Crucial P3 Plus 2 To
Seagate BarraCuda 2 To
MSI MAG FORGE 112R
Gigabyte GP-P850GM

[keen nacelle]

Alright so some things that stick out

First that psu is a bomb

12400f isn't that much better than the 5600 and costs a good bit more, and ddr5 on a 12400f isn't really worth it

I've started making a list, ill share it in a few min

[young mauve]

ddr5 is mainly for future proofing

[keen nacelle]

Also 850w is very overkill for a 3060

[keen nacelle]

It doesnt really do anything for future proofing though, performance is performance

Also 8gb sticks of ddr5 are really bad, they perform like 40% worse than 16gb sticks

[young mauve]

2x16gb is 30€ more so its not a big problem

[keen nacelle]

So far this is what I have, opinions? https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/7x8pGP

Though for premier pro you might want an nvidia gpu

Pcpartpicker compares prices from a lot of different available retailers btw

It's not it's own site to buy stuff from

If you want ddr5, I would go for the 7600

I'll make a list around that rq

[young mauve]

ok

[young mauve]

that's kind of what ive read. ive seen amd card are kinda mid on premiere which i use a lot

[keen nacelle]

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/zgVxGP

[keen nacelle]

Ok then one sec lemme look at nvidia gpu prices

[young mauve]

theyre kinda ok right now

at least compared to a few months ago

[keen nacelle]

On the more expensive side
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/83ZXsY/zotac-twin-edge-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-12-gb-video-card-zt-d40700h-10m

Otherwise this is kinda the only nvidia gpu really worth it in budget https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#X=0,50000

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/9m3gXL/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-gaming-twin-edge-oc-video-card-zt-a30610h-10mlhr

Sorry wrong link that first time

[young mauve]

yeah np

[keen nacelle]

Aside from that you'd want to consider used, like a 3080

[young mauve]

could be considerable

[keen nacelle]

I'd look at YouTube to compare 6800xt and 3060 ti in premier pro

[young mauve]

ok thx

[keen nacelle]

The 6800xt destroys the 3060 ti in games

I think aside from used though, if you do need an nvidia gpu this would be ideal https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/T7mXPF

7600 is a lot better than 5600, but the 5600 is more than capable of handling a 4070 at 1440p

[raven wharf]

xfx 6950 on Amazon is almost gone rip

Says 15 are in stock

What’s the different between the 6800 XT SWFT and MERC from XFX

one is going for like 480 the other 530

[keen nacelle]

The shroud

A few degrees of cooling, if that

[young mauve]

just saw it you're right

its a bomb

[keen nacelle]

Yeah its a great purchase if you're looking for an IED

[young mauve]

changed it to MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5, same price and probably not a bomb

[keen nacelle]

How much is it?

[raven wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-theres-a-bomb-spongebob-gif-26971038

[young mauve]

129.95€ (139,26$)

[keen nacelle]

This is a bit cheaper and is better https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/4cWBD3/asus-rog-strix-850g-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-90ye00a3-b0na00

Strix is A tier

That one you were looking at is presumed B tier I believe

Actually

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/nf2bt6/seasonic-focus-850-w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-focus-gm-850

Among the best psus period

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZXC_hSbyLo&t=16s

if someone wanted the 7700xt numbers

[raven wharf]

Is the 7700 any good

[young mauve]

the one i found is A tier too

[keen nacelle]

Oh is it?

Sorry

[young mauve]

nvm i thought it was an MPG

but no its a mag

[keen nacelle]

The focus gold is one of the best psus though and it's still cheaper

[oak rivet]

idk just see the numbers

[young mauve]

yeah nvm the one i found is C tier (kinda mid)

[keen nacelle]

Yeah I wouldn't buy C tier unless doing smthn like 6700xt/3060 ti or lower

And then an 850w is pointless

[young mauve]

ill look into that btw i gtg so bye

[velvet grail]

hap bdai bacca

[keen nacelle]

Ty

[odd siren]

I'm gonna say no

I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure

Actually no I'm not certain

Versus a 6800xt? Definitely not

Versus a 6800? Not sure

I wanna say vs the 6800 the perf is relative but I'm not certain yet

[raven wharf]

What XFX card should I get

A 6950 won’t fit in my case

There’s two different 6800 XTs

I feel like a good 6800 XT would future proof me longer than a 6700 would

[fading glacier]

if you have a 6700xt as your name suggest then i strongly advise you to stay away from any upgrades till the next gen

[vital oriole]

shame 7900gre is SI exclusive outside of china

[fading glacier]

unless you want to upgrade to 4k, then 6950 or xtx are the way to go, everything else could be little gain for too much money

[vital oriole]

waiting for it to drop in price would be nice

or wait for used 7900gre

[fading glacier]

6700xt to 6800xt is not a worthwile upgrade imo

[hot folio]

Yeah not worth it

And that’s coming from someone’s who changed GPUs more times than I can count in the past few months

[zealous lion]

Anyone here use a Phanteks waterblock before?

[raven wharf]

i want the xfx 6950 so bad but it legit is too big for my case lmao

theres only like 14 left in stock according to amazon

[livid idol]

Nothing a Dremel can't fix

[raven wharf]

a what

[livid idol]

It's a cutting tool

Super dangerous in the wrong hands because it's like a handheld miniature circular saw

[raven wharf]

according to my case specs it can fit a 330mm

and the xfx 6950 is 340mm

i could be super jank and just take out a front fan

[wicked hound]

99% of the time, . Also, asking to ask kinda makes help harder due to more back and forth communication so best to just ak the main question you have.

[odd siren]

Then change case and give it to your sister lol

She really needs a lot of help with that pc if she does any gaming at all

[zealous lion]

Okay I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if a Phanteks Waterblock has had any hotspots or pressure issues as I got one on a steep discount and waterblocks for my specific gpu are no longer in production. And when looking at EK they had redesigned their Velocity to Velocity^2 because of thermal hotspot issues and I never seen aynone use a Phanteks block before so I am unsure how it'd perform compared to other brand waterblocks.

[tall lichen]

Which of these should I get?

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6700-xt-rx6700xt-cld-12g/p/N82E16814930056?Item=N82E16814930056&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-DM51YQB.Q4JHaF_BBAYdJA

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YKCC8XD?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[rustic pulsar]

budget and country

[tall lichen]

US. I was wondering if it's worth it for the 3 fans or if two are fine

[rustic pulsar]

how much are you looking to spend

6700xt should be fine for 2 fans but if the price difference is small it may be worth it

[keen nacelle]

cheapest one

[tall lichen]

I see

The cheapest one does offer the premium edition of Starfield as well

[rustic pulsar]

oh i didnt see that, 100% worth it

[dreamy laurel]

Whichever is cheaper, fan count wont impact a 6700xt too much

[hasty monolith]

I have a 6800xt pc with 5600 cpu and 32 gigs ram. My bro have 5600x cpu rx580 and 16 gigs ram. With both pcs on and two ac units 1 in living room and 1 in bedroom on. It randomly shuts down my pc when playing starfield

1st pc

[keen nacelle]

What psu do you have

[hot bough]

Yeah dremels are great. I use them to cut my crystals.

[dreamy laurel]

Just sounds like circuts tripping

[hasty monolith]

Thermaltake gf1 850w

[wicked hound]

Is it just the single PC shutting off or do at least two things shut off?

[raven wharf]

i think i might pull the trigger on a 6950

it may or may not fit in my case

nothing removing a front fan cant solve

[hasty monolith]

Just my pc. My lamp also flickering to low when i load into starfield or go through a load screen

[odd siren]

That is...

Wha

Is all this stuff off of one powerboard or something

[green harness]

If that's all on one circuit it sounds like it could be overloaded (not an electrician)

[viscid vault]

It sounds like you need to replace the breaker fuse for that room

Maybe upgrade it from 15 to 20 amp

[sonic mural]

Just keep in mind, if you upgrade a breaker, you NEED to make sure the wire and receptacle can handle it

[viscid vault]

Or just turn off the A/C

[sonic mural]

I doubt it's breaker related tho

[viscid vault]

If it didn't trip already yeah you're probably right

I've seen them get corroded at the junction and still provide spotty power

But if it's not singing the rice krispies song then it's probably fine

Starfield out here humbling the average American infrastructure

[green harness]

Yeah, you definitely don't "upgrade" a 15 amp breaker to 20 if the wiring is for 15amps, that's 🔥

[wicked hound]

Sounds like either average voltage droop or transient voltage droop from prolly inrush current is causing PC instability. That is if the PC is actually shutting off due to other devices.

• Are you sure that two+ of the heavy devices are on the same circuit (your PC and smth else)?
• Are you sure all instances of unexpected PC shutdowns happened when at least one of the heavy devices were on?
• How many times has the PC shutoff when a heavy device turns on? As well as how many times has it shutoff when a device has been on for at least 5s.
• Have any of the other heavy devices shut off unexpectedly? Note that things like ACs would be harder to diagnose then PCs as they auto start fairly quickly without any sort of logs.

[hasty monolith]

Only in the last week or so. Its not often. I have my lamp, pc, series x, monitor and charger all within the same surge protector. I have both ac units on since it is 90s here in nyc for last few days. My lamp has been flickering at lower light when playing starfield

[velvet grail]

When doing GPU mem oc, should it est stability using furmark (+valley and heaven) or are there more appropriate programs?

I'm overclocking/undervolting a Nvidia 820m, and I was wondering if boosting mem and shader close clock a bit would help the overall performance...?

[fading glacier]

dont use furmark

[livid idol]

Get a good UPS. Online (double conversion) would be best but a line interactive one should be acceptable. You can expect to spend $150-300 depending on what you pick.

[livid idol]

Furmark isn't a stability test so much as a torture test

[velvet grail]

So what should I be using?

[livid idol]

Do you own 3dmark? Not the demo

[velvet grail]

Yes

[wicked hound]

All of those dont stress memory for current gen hardware, I feel like they also dont stress memory that much for old gen either

[velvet grail]

Well... Current gen... Mmmh
820m kinda old

[livid idol]

You can run the speed way or port royal stability test for current gen stuff

[velvet grail]

Okk

[livid idol]

But 820m... Does that even support dx12?

[velvet grail]

Rn I'm undervolting an old Asus laptop with i5 4210u and 820m

[velvet grail]

I have no idea

Apparently yes

[livid idol]

It does shockingly, technically

[velvet grail]

Atm i pulled off a -65mV core and -165mV cache on my CPU

[livid idol]

You can run the fire strike and time spy stability tests and that should give you an idea

[velvet grail]

Okk, thanks for the info

[wicked hound]

I havent heard of those being core or mem sensitive, so idk about that tbf. For core ur mostly looking at games (Atomic Heart Demo, Apex, Genshin) and for mem ur mostly looking at high texture benchmarks (Superpos 8k, some 3dmark extreme benchmark).

Also I wouldnt take above and apply for old gen with confidence. Idk what old gen is like (just making sure no confusion happening here).

[velvet grail]

If I want to do things the right way I should probably test with all of them, at least like 5 programs. Timespy, valley, heaven, firestrike, furmark...

Got scammed on Amazon lol

[keen nacelle]

Am I going crazy or does 7800xt trade blows with the 6900xt? https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7800-xt/12.html

In some games it's similar to 6800xt but in a lot its beating or barely losing to 6900xt in those charts

[random walrus]

In those deathloop charts the 4060ti is beating the 6700xt which doesn't seem consistent either

Same 4060ti beating 6700xt by a decent margin in Elden ring, antoher one where the 7800xt is near the 6900xt. Could it be something to do with current gen vs last gen?

[raven wharf]

anyone think the 7000 series will get a 50 treatment like the 6000 series did

as in 6750 XT, 6950 XT

so like 7850 XT or 7950 XTX

[random walrus]

Probably

Just not at launch

[mellow agate]

https://videocardz.com/162361/amd-radeon-rx-7800xt-rx-7700xt-graphics-cards-review-roundup

[peak rock]

is a Rx 6800 for 399 good

[mellow agate]

posted this in #general-chat but nobody really saw it

[mellow agate]

Considering that my friend snagged one off FB for $250

I’d say no, but you’d have to ask around more

[peak rock]

Msi gaming trio one

[peak rock]

I guess

[mellow agate]

Like I said, you’d have to ask around more

[peak rock]

Alr

[keen nacelle]

Not bad if it's new

If used, meh

It's around $430 new

$420 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hg92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-speedster-swft-319-video-card-rx-68xlaqfd9

[wind sable]

Good proof for buying a used gpu?

[livid idol]

That is a very low power game but it's good enough to show it's working

[wind sable]

Alright, I will be buying it tmr it’s 6700xt and I’m buying it for 200

[livid idol]

That's a decent deal. Not so low as to be suspicious but lower than the average market sale.

[wind sable]

Alright

[raven wharf]

@livid idol opinions on this

[livid idol]

It's possible, hard to tell at this point

It could go either way imo, with nvidia basically abandoning gamers in favor of AI, AMD has their work cut out for them

[raven wharf]

wdym

[livid idol]

AMD doesn't have a lot of incentive to do a refresh this gen since Nvidia basically gave up

Especially since AMD already wins in direct comparisons (not counting RT and frame gen)

[raven wharf]

mhm

is there going to be a 50 series from nvidia

[livid idol]

No

They're heavily focused on AI right now and putting as many resources into that as they can, since it's their biggest money maker. They don't care that they're losing to AMD in gamer sales.

They already killled the 4090 ti

[raven wharf]

thats fair

also rip this

one left

such a cool card

would of loved to have this

[wind sable]

Get it

[livid idol]

🪦

[wind sable]

Also how the 6700xt I’m going to get one soon

[raven wharf]

I tried

im 18 but i still have to have parent approval for big purchases lol

which is fine

but i already dumped like 1200 on a PC at the end of july so

[raven wharf]

my asrock one when it works, is fine

[wind sable]

Same 💀

[raven wharf]

ive had some issues with it, mainly driver stuff

could be just my card

or my system in general

[wind sable]

Alright

[raven wharf]

handles what ive thrown at it fine

most demanding thing ive done with it is probably minecraft RT and resident evil 4

[raven wharf]

buy the card for me and ill buy it from you once i get another like 2 pay checks

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[livid idol]

You're running on the assumption that I have $630 + tax to buy it

[raven wharf]

would you rather I assume you to be poor

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112464991094833232/1134726830805483621/7DFBB949-DB82-4D5A-A400-BE6AEDAC1F7A.gif

[livid idol]

Considering most people are below the poverty line where I live, yes

[raven wharf]

fair enough, I apologize, that was kinda outta pocket lol

[livid idol]

Good old california, where rent on a 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment is $2000 a month

[fading glacier]

in fact yes, but nvidia said that the announcement will be on 2025... so pretty far into the future at least xD

[wind sable]

For me 2 bedroom 2 bathrooms is 500

[raven wharf]

get out while you can

[livid idol]

That just sounds like next gen at that point

[fading glacier]

nad yeah im with flacie as well, there is no incentive to launch a 7050 series refresh on amd, nvidia just gave up the gamer market

[livid idol]

That costs money too

Plus finding a job in another state

[wind sable]

You should move to Europe or some

Quality of life is better

[raven wharf]

california is a nightmare

[wind sable]

Fr idk how people live there unless they are millionaires or doctors

[raven wharf]

mhm

[livid idol]

Perhaps, but that costs even more money and puts me at the mercy of whatever company hires me. If they fire me for whatever reason, my whole family gets deported.

[wind sable]

True

[raven wharf]

it'd be cool tho

as someone who cant afford like 70% of gpus i love watching new ones get released

[wind sable]

Fr me too

[keen nacelle]

This whole gen is just kinda bad value

Only gpu I'd actually recommend is xtx

[livid idol]

I agree, I feel like this gen is intended to normalize the higher prices for the same tiers

[wind sable]

What is xtx I’ve only heard about xt

[keen nacelle]

Other than that I'm still recommending 6700xt and 6950xt majority of the time

[raven wharf]

7900 XTX

amds best gpu rn

[keen nacelle]

7900xtx, beats 4080 in raster

[livid idol]

7900 XTX, it beats the 4080 in most things

[wind sable]

4090 better Fr

[raven wharf]

4090 is such a wild product

its just for such a select few

[keen nacelle]

Also $700 more

[livid idol]

Well yeah but who has $1600-2000 lying around to buy a 4090

[raven wharf]

until my bills for college classes start, i do lol

[wind sable]

Rich people or content creators

[hot folio]

Or people who are bad with spending

[wind sable]

Also what if you buy a thread ripper and a 4090 how much bottleneck would there be

[hot folio]

(Me)

[livid idol]

Generally people that use it for work, or whales that use it for 4k 144Hz ultrawide gaming

[wind sable]

Real Felix is good at spending

[keen nacelle]

Thread rippers aren't for gaming

[wind sable]

How much is the thread ripper anyways and can you use it for gaming

[keen nacelle]

7600 destroys every thread ripper in gaming

[wind sable]

If it’s a cpu you can game on it XD

[keen nacelle]

You can game in it, but it is not meant for gaming

[wind sable]

Fr?

[keen nacelle]

If the point of your pc is gaming

Never even consider a tr

[wind sable]

But I thought more threads and cores better?

[keen nacelle]

To a certain extent

[hot folio]

Multicore sure

Not single core

[keen nacelle]

Gaming is moreso single core focused, and normally won't use more than 6 cores, 8 at the max

[wind sable]

So threadripper is a single core system?

[keen nacelle]

Thread ripper cores are low power and have much lower single core perf than other cpus in the same generation, because if you put 64 3600 cores in a single cpu you will not have a single chance of cooling that

[wind sable]

Oh

But since it has more cores it’s better for rendering stuff?

[keen nacelle]

Mhm

[wind sable]

And most of the gaming is gpu dependent anyways

[keen nacelle]

It also has more pcie lanes, supports more ram

I think for some up to 2tb of ram?

[wind sable]

2tb is crazy

[livid idol]

Depends on platform but yes

[keen nacelle]

Maybe it was a different cpu lineup

Ah ok

[wind sable]

Me thinking 32 gigs is overkill

Why doesn’t intel have a cpu like thread ripper

[keen nacelle]

They do

So does nvidia

[wind sable]

But you can’t buy intels version of that?

[livid idol]

TR pro is 2TB, same as Epyc, but "normal" TR might be lower

[wind sable]

I mean they are just starting on it , aren’t they?

[keen nacelle]

You can't buy 5000 series threadrippers by themselves

[wind sable]

Ah

[keen nacelle]

No

They've been making them for a quite a while I believe

Theyre just not very widely known because of how small of a market they're targeted at

[wind sable]

Imagine nvidia comes out with CPU’s for normal consumers

[livid idol]

Intel Xeon is just so far behind AMD Epyc it's not even worth considering

[raven wharf]

you can go full team blue, red, or green

[keen nacelle]

^

[keen nacelle]

Yeah epyc is it 7523? Is great

[wind sable]

Oh, that’s why I’ve only seen threadrippers and no other ones

[keen nacelle]

7253? Idfk

Idfk I never remember the names of the epyc cpus

[wind sable]

Lmao

[livid idol]

9684X with dat vcache

[wind sable]

Anyways imma head to sleep Gn fellas

[livid idol]

AMD EPYC™ 9684X
96 Cores 192 Threads Up to 3.7GHz 3.42GHz 2.55GHz 1152MB 400W

[keen nacelle]

I believe intel was working on a new xeon but scrapped it bc it just didn't even compete lol

Escanor was telling me about nvidias cpus but I don't remember much about them

[livid idol]

No they released it, but it's got last gen performance and no one cares about it except people that only buy intel

[keen nacelle]

Ahh

[livid idol]

I think xeon tops out at 56c/112t so it's not even close

[keen nacelle]

I think nvidia made either a 96c or 128c cpu

[raven wharf]

will nvidia ever make like consumer gaming cpus

imagine being able to build either full team red, blue, or green lol

[livid idol]

Doubt it, but it could happen

[keen nacelle]

Yeah I didn't really expect intel to make dgpus again but here we are

[livid idol]

This is what, their third attempt?

It's turned out better than before at least

[raven wharf]

What’s the deal with the ARC gpus

I heard they are decent price to performance but have major flaws

[livid idol]

They're fine on newer games but thery have problems with old ones. They're also not able to run starfield as of this moment.

[raven wharf]

I did hear about that thought that was kinda funny

I’ve also heard something about battlemage from intel?

Is that supposed to be a thing

[livid idol]

Yeah their next gen will launch whenever it launches

[raven wharf]

I’m interested to see intel do well gpu wise so amd makes better cards

[keen nacelle]

I dont really see that happening anytime soon

I think intel will hold up the budget option for a while

[livid idol]

They won't be competive any time soon but it is still interesting, and more competition is good

[keen nacelle]

Give us last gen/lower end of new gen perf for lower prices until they get their poop together

[wicked hound]

To add on to what Fal said (UPS), find out your circuit layout. You may have a bit too much on one circuit, in regards to maintaining stable voltage.

[oak rivet]

also apparently cant keep up with 1070ti big oof

a big loss just to miss out on one of the biggest releases of the year

[keen nacelle]

How is it intels fault Bethesda made a game that barely gets a constant 60 fps on a mid tier card of current gen (4070) lmao

[odd siren]

relying on a CS' answer for performance discussion

[oak rivet]

performance and not running like on arc different things lmao

[odd siren]

performance = 0fps and performance equals 20fps are both very related things 💀

[oak rivet]

the arc crashes and whereas and its amd,nvidia brothers dont

[odd siren]

so it's performance is 0

🤷‍♂️

[oak rivet]

and gpu has to be slower then a 3050 to get less then 30

[odd siren]

hard not to believe when they don't have official drivers yet

colour us all surprised

[oak rivet]

intel did release some driver

hope that fixed something

just too late then the other two

[odd siren]

a simple google would show that it's still unplayable

you bought into a first generation of gpu

the warning signs were written everywhere

you're looking at where amd was with rdna 1

a lot of similar problems of just, terrible teething

very easy to see why intel can't run a specific game engine for a specific dev company and their specific engine

[dreamy laurel]

yes its called a nintendo switch

[spare relic]

sure enough

[oak rivet]

Watching the hub podcast will agree with Tim intel should have been ready before as it was a well known title way before launch

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[dreamy laurel]

Or yk, bethesda just didnt want to give intel cards support because they make up such a little amount of the market

[keen nacelle]

Yeah actually that's a really good point

[dreamy laurel]

Thats like saying game devs should develop for apple even though apple makes up a tiny percent of the market share

[keen nacelle]

How is it intels fault Bethesda didn't optimize their game for Intel arc lmao

[dreamy laurel]

Its not even optimized it doesnt even run

[viscid vault]

Needs a new psu cable but otherwise I'm running baldurs gate at 4k like a champ

[gusty cave]

is there a way to see if all gpu fans are working without opening case

[livid idol]

Open MSI afterburner and manually change the fan speeds, it'll report their rpm

[raven wharf]

is it a double or triple fan

[viscid vault]

Tri

[raven wharf]

nice

how is it so far

im assuming its comparable to a 6800 XT

[viscid vault]

It's a lot better

I had a 6600, this let's me play at 4k with acceptable frames

Baldurs Gate 3 rendered in hyper mode 4k and kept 60 frames no issue even under load

And I got a little whacky with explosions

[odd siren]

Man's finally joined the big pen

Nice

[viscid vault]

Oh dang i forgot, It came with memefield

[viscid vault]

Forget that, this Virtual Super Resolution is awesome

[livid idol]

Definitely. I use it for my desktop resolution too.

[viscid vault]

I wish the 144hz 1080p monitor I bought had mounting points on the back X/

[oak rivet]

Did you try anti lag +

[raven wharf]

maybe I’ll save for like a year or so and get an XTX

[raven wharf]

i still dont understand gpu pricing

how is this 1700

when this exists

whats the difference

[fading glacier]

seller

thats the difference

its a free market after all, you can slap any price you want

[raven wharf]

does amd not regulate pricing

[fading glacier]

its a commodity, you dont regulate that. If its a thrid party seller is up to them if they sell it or not

[keen nacelle]

It's not from a direct retailer

[fading glacier]

weirdly enough, there are people who fall onto those traps

[keen nacelle]

Someone can buy a gpu and sell it for however much they want

[raven wharf]

fair enough ig

another thing i thought about on the way home from work earlier

bad example but like how clothes cost like a certian amount to make and they are marked up a ton to earn profit, is that the case with gpus? are they marked up a ton or are they fairly costly to make that warrents the high price

[fading glacier]

thats the case for any thing in a market

you dont buy bread to sell bread, you need to do a profit

[raven wharf]

mhm

[fading glacier]

and gpu are commodities, they are not bound to a price regulation board

[raven wharf]

ofc

[fading glacier]

amd and nvidia can sell them at 5k if they want

[raven wharf]

the biggest shock to me as a noobie in pc tech was how much i found out the 6950XT launched for

[fading glacier]

if they sell it or not, that another issue

[raven wharf]

like around 1250$ i think

and now its down to 630

obv it on its way out

[raven wharf]

mhm

[fading glacier]

yeah, this is called "Depreciation"

a natural thing on the market when something gets older

[vital oriole]

or just plain lack of demand

[fading glacier]

or that

[raven wharf]

i want it to go lower so I can snag one before its gone

6950 seems like such a cool card to me

[vital oriole]

radeon doesn't have as strong of a mind share as nvidia does

[raven wharf]

atleast they seem to lower prices

[vital oriole]

so paying 1k+ for a radeon sounds weird to people

[raven wharf]

thats enough for me to be team red

[fading glacier]

much lower than that is unlikely to happen

[raven wharf]

honestly it does

[vital oriole]

they always drop to about half price compared to launch tbh, the top radeon cards

[fading glacier]

altho one day pato slapped a 520usd 6950

oos fairly quick

those kind of deals are lightning fast

[raven wharf]

day one??!

[vital oriole]

no

[raven wharf]

oh

i misread

[vital oriole]

recent deals just like last month

[raven wharf]

i thought you said day one

[raven wharf]

i saw that after i was interested in it

unfortunate

[vital oriole]

but without sale, it's already half of launch msrp anyway

$599 is still doable

[fading glacier]

yeah usually deals happen when you are not interested

still advise you to hold opn your 6700 until you have enough for an xtx

[vital oriole]

it will drop price anyway

[raven wharf]

that was the plan

[vital oriole]

i already have seen some $750 xtx

[fading glacier]

was? must be "is"

[raven wharf]

ok fine, it is the plan

[fading glacier]

if you already have 600 for a 6950 then do yourself a favor and hold a lil longer

you will regret buying the 6950

[vital oriole]

xtx more efficient anyway, less spiky

it's still hungry but not as spiky

[raven wharf]

i technically have upwards of 3 grand of spending money if i wanted to spend it

but i have to start saving

most of my money im not allowed to touch anyway lmao

im irresponsible with it sometimes

[fading glacier]

thats cool to hear, seems like you are prone to quickly spend it all

[raven wharf]

lmao

honestly not really

most i spend it on is my car (gas, insurance) and food

[fading glacier]

if you are not using a gpu for work, then its a hobbie, and must not take priority over other more important things

thats part of being responsible

at least with the money, dont be like a guy who used to be here buying gpus every week

because, why not?

he had like a 3 grand debt on all of their cards

he tought that was cool af but everyone here was worried about that... but oh well, he is no longer around

[raven wharf]

what was the point lol

[fading glacier]

point is, a 6950 is too much money for not so much gain, if you save a lil more you can go to xtx or even better, skip this gen entirely

assuming you have a 6700 like your name suggests

[raven wharf]

i do

im just hoping it doesnt give me more issues

[fading glacier]

but, if you are hell bent on the 6950, whelp, its you money

we can only advise you

[raven wharf]

i had driver issues awhile ago but things have been smooth saling for almost a month

[fading glacier]

well, let me tell you... 6950 use the same drivers

[raven wharf]

when i originally was having my issues i did like everything the smart ppl in here told me to and they thought I might have a defective card

[hasty sphinx]

I need a new GPU

[raven wharf]

what are you running

i remember your setup i think wasnt it full white with like 4 monitors

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah

[hasty sphinx]

3080 12gb

[raven wharf]

honestly the higher end 30 series and mid 40 series i dont know much about

like idk whats good

i heard that the 4070 is terrible

[vital oriole]

it's okay

just wrong price

it's essentially a more efficient 3080

which should've been a 4060ti's job

[keen nacelle]

^