graphics-cards

[dreamy laurel]

best used deal rn is the 5700xt which can be found for around $150 usd/euros

[nocturne marlin]

My gpu just fried question is to get something cheap to fill until Black Friday or just build now

[fading glacier]

oh, then the 1060 at 80 bucks is ok

pretty good deal for a backup gpu

and start saving something around 300-400 to snatch something good on black friday

maybe you can score a 6700xt something something around that price on bf

heck even a 6800

[livid idol]

Control
There's legit stuff you can't see with RT off

Enemy on the other side of that glass? Oh you have RT reflections off so you can't see through glass so well

[oak rivet]

Seems plausible

I don't remember anyone saying rt and anything gameplay related tho

But hey muh csgo

[livid idol]

Not as a direct mechanic but it is noticeably different, which was a first for RT tbh

[oak rivet]

Ugh has been a while since playing control will have to check again

[vital oriole]

im ok with rt reflections and shadows for all games

as that's a very noticeable yet light graphical features to have

[oak rivet]

Possibly little performance improvements with the new drivers for amd owners

[livid idol]

Ummmm

I'd rather have stable drivers than 1% better drivers

[nocturne marlin]

Thanks for all the feedback! So it seems like the universal verdict is don’t build now, wait for Black Friday and just grab the $80 6gb 1060 to use for a couple months until then.

Also seems you guys are 100% suggesting AMD vs Nvidia

[vital oriole]

AMD gpus are straight up better value for gaming

[random walrus]

Unless the cards are the same in price and raw performance, in which case I'd go for Nvidia

(which probably isn't going to happen)

[vital oriole]

Radeon's drivers are pretty solid now

[random walrus]

Yeah

[dreamy laurel]

Only rime id go for nvidia is if youre actually going to use it for applications outside gaming and even then amd is matched pretty well in some spots

[lone pond]

if price/(raster) performance is similar I'd be okay to spend a little extra on Nvidia for DLSS. FSR 2.0 is solid, but the upscaling artifacts bother me more than they should. it's nice to turn on DLSS quality and forget about it

[oak rivet]

Shhh csgo doesn't have dlss

Soo it's bad 🚮

[dreamy laurel]

bro missed the point entirely

[nocturne marlin]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266380809073
Damnit I was gonna go for $80 but for 1060, but you guys had to keep pushing the envelope now I’m $115

[dreamy laurel]

5700xt performs much better for about $140

[lone pond]

at this rate they'll be buying a $400 3080

[dreamy laurel]

lol

[fringe scroll]

To be fair the 80$ 1060 was a really bad buy💀

[lone pond]

yeh

[viscid helm]

why is the gpu utilization the same across the setups?

[oak rivet]

Sounds like different resolutions being tested here

[viscid helm]

I don't think that is the case, but here is the original video @oak rivet

[hasty sphinx]

Where?

[viscid helm]

https://youtu.be/7U_QSz8HFsQ

crap

i forgot to actually ctrl v

here u go

[oak rivet]

It's Mark pc

They also had the fake 7900xtx vids before the card embargo even lifted

[fringe scroll]

The 1% lows do NOT look accurate 💀💀💀

[oak rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-gif-7488882

[fringe scroll]

Lolll

[viscid helm]

so

its fake?

or

[oak rivet]

Yeah

[hasty sphinx]

The better way to look at how hardware performs vs each other is tubers like Gamers Nexus. Where they adequately test hardware with constants to get the best results.

[oak rivet]

23may is when the embargo for the 4060ti actually lifted

How does this guy even get to publish anything about it before that

[viscid helm]

well, im not trying to look at how good a certain part is (well, i originally wanted to see how 7800x3d performs) but whether it is possible for the gpu load to be the exact same when fps is almost 40% different

[hasty sphinx]

Yes it can be because of bottlenecks.

[viscid helm]

but wouldn't bottlenecks result in low gpu utilization? thats how i know

[hasty sphinx]

Not necessarily. Bottlenecks will be from the lowest performing hardware in the system

[viscid helm]

hm

[hasty sphinx]

I had a 12600k and ran my games max settings and saw 98% GPU utilization. I now have a 13700k.. and I still see my GPU being used 98%

[hasty sphinx]

Every system has a bottleneck in some shape or form btw. Not one system is perfect.

[viscid helm]

but you get higher frames

right

[hasty sphinx]

Correct.

[viscid helm]

i can't understand how that works

is there like cpu offloading or something

[oak rivet]

Intel presentmon makes all this clearer now

[viscid helm]

i was gonna mention that as well

i saw the vid

seemed related

so even if gpu hits almost max

it might not be the bottleneck

crazy

[hasty sphinx]

The GPU can only do so much with the CPU it's given to work with.

[viscid helm]

oh wait

[hasty sphinx]

You can run full tilt, but if cpu can't keep up, then you'll experience fps loss compared to a better cpu

[viscid helm]

it might be because of gpu clocks

there was a known issue with wallpaper engine

where GPU usage would be like extremely high turns out it was because of a low GPU clock speeds

[oak rivet]

If you already seen the vid then you should know your gpu busy and frame time should be as close as possible

The overlay also looks pretty aswell

Atleast in my case here the gpu is the limiting factor

[fringe scroll]

The overlay takes up half your screen 💀💀💀

[oak rivet]

Yeah that's with the intel presentmon default settings didn't take time to tweak things yet

[dreamy laurel]

I mean nvidia advanced isnt much better

RTSS tho

Thats the stuff

[fringe scroll]

dont use that either

[livid idol]

rtss doesn't show gpu_busy which was the point of what safi was doing

[dreamy laurel]

I only use it to make sure gpu is hitting oc clocks

Which i can also do in hwinfo

[dreamy laurel]

Fair

[hot folio]

NVidia advanced pulls things like this

[spare relic]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-spinning-chair-nuclear-gif-10974154

[dreamy laurel]

intels is better for benching ig

nvidia is better for making sure things work

[hot folio]

Also for some goddamn reason nvidia’s panel uses up 20% cpu on a 5900hx

[livid idol]

That's because you left the nvidia overlay on

I'm aware the performance overlay doesn't work if you turn off the global overlay. That's the point.

[hot folio]

Wdym? There’s a difference between performance and global overlay?

[livid idol]

Yes

Global

[oak rivet]

Game changing stuff really

[junior locust]

hold on
6950 XT for 290k HUF
while a 6800 XT is 240k

[young crystal]

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-zt-d40620f-10smp/p/N82E16814500564?Item=N82E16814500564 > 6750xt but how much better? or am i just wrong

[lone pond]

not better at all. 6750 xt is around 6-12% faster than the 6700 xt. 4060 ti is just a worse 6750 xt with frame gen for some reason.

[heady turtle]

this card is a freaking laughing stock

same price as a 6800xt

[young crystal]

incredible

imagine space is not limited, what is the best performing gpu i can get for >800 and is also watercoolable?

[heady turtle]

watercooling is honestly not worth it, the amount youre gonna spend on radiators and watercooling blocks, also cards just dont need to be water cooled, youd be better getting a more expensive gpu, even in ITX builds, unless youre trying to make it extremely tiny

[young crystal]

Good to know

[heady turtle]

for like 900 you can get a 7900xtx

[lone pond]

could have done for $820 not too long ago

[raven wharf]

i dont trust this channel at all anymore

[livid idol]

Graphically challenged is right. Anyone with a brain would know that's the new AI cards.

They'll be like the mining cards, no video output and optimized for specific tasks

[raven wharf]

every other week he has different news on the 8900 XTX

[lone pond]

doesn't he just recycle leaks from random twitter users and whatever pops up on the videocardz rumors section anyway?

makes sense that he'd upload conflicting info if he's amalgamating stuff from dozens of different "sources" most of which are bs

plus if he's talking about an 8900 XTX I'm pretty sure it's been done to death in the leaker space that there almost certainly won't be one. or a Navi 42 for that matter. I'm somewhat skeptical, but we'll see

[raven wharf]

he goes back on it the week after

[lone pond]

nice lol

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

Considering selling my 3070 to help support my upgrade.

[buoyant token]

So I have a friend who’s gpu in his laptop is dying and he wants to get a egpu. His budget is $300, is there any good egpu for around that price?

Could he maybe make his own egpu case using a micro atx case?

[odd siren]

Egpu is expensive

Very expensive

What exactly is happening in that it's dying?

[buoyant token]

I’m not sure exactly, he just said it’s dying. But I can ask him rq.

[odd siren]

Ye cos it could be a fixable situation

Say $5 of thermal paste, a screwdriver and some patience

[buoyant token]

So he’s saying that his laptop will randomly crash while playing games, he’s having bad frame rates. He also said he could have it just idling and the fan speed randomly jumps up to full speed.

[odd siren]

That sounds like a repaste for sure

Has he checked temperatures

[buoyant token]

Im not sure let me ask

[keen nacelle]

Could also need a ddu

[buoyant token]

I also asked him if his computer has a hdd or ssd, as it sounds a bit similar to an issue I had with one of my laptops.

I had a laptop with a hdd and after replacing it with an ssd and putting more ram in it, it fixed all of my problems

[odd siren]

The fans will regulate temperature, if they're jumping up to max speed in windows they're fighting bad temperature

Idle + max fan sounds like a temp problem

[keen nacelle]

It could also be misreporting Temps causing it to ramp up, but then idt it'd be crashing

[buoyant token]

It’s at 53°C

[odd siren]

Which is

[keen nacelle]

Hotspot temps?

Also what about cpu temps?

[odd siren]

His cpu could also be 100c

[spare relic]

that's just what laptops do

[odd siren]

Well cared laptops don't

[keen nacelle]

Just cool your laptop in a vat of liquid nitrogen

[odd siren]

If the cpu or gpu are flying up to too hot in games then yes crashing will occur

Max fans idling also point to the same thing

I'm like, 90% confident I just need to see numbers

He may also need a hex screw kit to repaste

But if not, it's a $5 tube of arctic mx6 and repasting both the cpu and gpu

$5 answer

It's better than spending like, $200+ for a gpu enclosure then several hundred on a gpu without even using the gpu fully

And you'd need thunderbolt

[buoyant token]

It doesn’t show his cpu temps in task manger, which sucks so idk what it’s temps are at

[spare relic]

and a laptop that would even interface with a gpu over that thunderbolt

[odd siren]

Ok so he'll want to download hwinfo64, install and launch the sensors only section

Then it's just a case of scrolling to the cpu section for temperature

[buoyant token]

Ok

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ this?

I wanna make sure this is the right one before I send him the link

[livid idol]

yes

[buoyant token]

Ok

[odd siren]

Interesting it says thermal throttling yet 56c

Ah 10700h

[keen nacelle]

Was he using task manager to see gpu temp

[odd siren]

Yep this is gonna be the thing

[keen nacelle]

Because if so that's useless

[odd siren]

@buoyant token His cpu is throttling

98% sure

[buoyant token]

Ok thanks, I’ll let him know

[odd siren]

10700h is HOT

So if he can, get a $5 tube of MX-6, pop that bad boy open and repaste

Make sure he covers

The whole cpu die

Pea drop or cross methods don't work on laptops

It needs to be spread properly or you got hot spots and the throttling happens all over again

This goes double if he needs to do gpu as well

If he's lucky he should only need a phillips head screwdriver

Otherwise h6 or h8 screwdrivers/bits are typical

[buoyant token]

Ok I’ll tell him that, thank you

[odd siren]

Np

Get him to like, play a game just to be doubly sure

The thermal throttle notification in just windows is a bit telling tho

[livid idol]

Gotta be a hotspot

[odd siren]

Most likely yeah

But core max isn't saying it

So it might be an unseen sensor by hwinfo

[livid idol]

Yep, and there's no hotspot reported there either

Exactly

[odd siren]

True

@buoyant token Hwinfo you can also check gpu temps as well

It's much further down on that screen

Very handy if you need to diagnose issues

[buoyant token]

Ok

[odd siren]

Yeah not saying anything there outlandish

It's a bit warm but a quick game session and he'll be able to see if the temperatures are running away fr

[buoyant token]

This is at idle playing tarkov

@odd siren whatcha thinkin?

[odd siren]

Haha

They're both running hella hot

Yep I'm 100% sure that's a repaste or the laptop is just starved of air

Looking at power draw it may even be both

[buoyant token]

Ok, I’ll tell him that. It doesn’t hurt to clean it out while he’s repastjng

[odd siren]

Yeah for sure

Some TLC she should be fairly good again

Curious what model that is

That's not a lot of power draw

[vital oriole]

10750h

that's essentially 10500h

6c/12t i7

[odd siren]

10700h?

Not 8 core?

Omg it isn't

Intel weird

So 10400h is literally 10700h but with a different name

[vital oriole]

10400h is not the 6 core one i believe (could be wrong)

for 10th gen the 6 core stuff are 10500h and 10750h

10875h is the 8 core

it's literally i5 that runs hotter

[odd siren]

Oh yeah

Damn, different era

[buoyant token]

Thermal paste wise what brand should he go for, or does it matter?

[odd siren]

MX-6 is great and dummy cheap

I'd get like, 4g or so

Can use like an old credit card for spreading the paste

[buoyant token]

Ok thx

[odd siren]

Repasting is something you should try to do every so often anyway, it's routine maintenance

Very few products ship with permanent paste solutions

[keen nacelle]

10500h is 4c8t iirc, not sure about 10400h

[odd siren]

No foxy is right, 10500h is 6 core

I almost fell into that trap tho I thought 10400h was 6 core

[keen nacelle]

Nvm I lied

Ye

[vital oriole]

for 11th gen that changed

11400h actually 6 core for real

[keen nacelle]

I thought my old laptop was 10500h but ig it was 10400h, since it was 4c8t

How's the 1240p compare to desktop cpus?

[vital oriole]

bleh

[keen nacelle]

Meaning what's it similar to?

[vital oriole]

it's a U sku

idk about perf tbh, not enough benches

[keen nacelle]

Looking at passmark it beats the 3600 in single core by a good margin

3307 compared to 2569

Looks like between 11400f and 11600k in single core?

[vital oriole]

likely

[grizzled nimbus]

becauise its an 11400 witha power limit 💀

[vital oriole]

i know

[odd siren]

11400h is nice

Still good

[young crystal]

4080 seems like a good investment, what model is best bang for my buck? they all seem the same to me. id prefer MSI but its not a necessity

[junior locust]

Honestly
4090 or AMD at this point

6950XT I'm pretty sure matches the 4080

unless you get the 4080 VASTLY cheaper or RT is non-optional

but at that point buy a 4090

7900 XTX beats the 4080 in anything but RT
So depends on price

[young crystal]

is there an amd chipset that matches the 4090?

[junior locust]

no

the 4090 remains at the top cuz AMD didn't try to compete with it

because it's utterly ridiculousl priced

but perf king y'know

but other than the 4090

[vital oriole]

6950xt doesn't match 4080

[junior locust]

I'd not at all recommend nVidia unless you get it well under MSRP

[vital oriole]

4080 is a good chunk ahead of 3090ti

[junior locust]

my bad

[vital oriole]

and it matches 7900xtx

[junior locust]

that's the 7900XT

[vital oriole]

nah

7900xt is 6950xt

the xtx is the top dog

[junior locust]

seen a lot of benchmarks where the 7900XT matched the 4080 and the 7900XTX beat it

and isn't the 7900XT like 40% cheaper?

the XTX about 30% cheaper afaik

[vital oriole]

7900xtx in the us has been 899 lately

not just any random aib either

one of the top cards from xfx and such

[junior locust]

isn't the 4080 over 1300?

[vital oriole]

no

[junior locust]

with the 4090 something even dumber

[vital oriole]

it's 1200

[junior locust]

huh

aight

[vital oriole]

4090 is 1600

[junior locust]

200 bucks difference for ~5-8%?

Not worth to me honestly
Again, unless you're really into RT

[young crystal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CLkH99/msi-gaming-trio-classic-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx-7900-xtx-gaming-trio-classic-24g

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VtPQzy/msi-suprim-liquid-x-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x-24g

fun 4090 w liquid coolin

[junior locust]

4090 and 7900XTX ain't competitors tho

[vital oriole]

969 for that xtx

eh, that's high

[young crystal]

seems pointless but its actually well rated and its cheap

[young crystal]

under 1k is high?

[vital oriole]

yes, there's cheaper ones

[young crystal]

wild ill have to research this more

[vital oriole]

well slightly

there's hellhound 7900xtx for 949

[junior locust]

939.99 for a 7900XTX
1099.99 for a 4080
Both the cheapest ones on PCPartpicker

[vital oriole]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wHVmP6/powercolor-hellhound-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-24g-loc

[junior locust]

250 bucks...

I'd probably stick with the XTX honestly

then again

your money, and it's not like the 4080 is a bad choice either

it's just that I'm a penny pincher who likes VRAM

[young crystal]

real, in a decade when amd beats nvidia ill throw 3k at them or whatever it shall be but ill look into the xtx for now

any xtx recommended for OC?

or is there something i should look for to indicate that?

[junior locust]

IIRC any of them will do fine there

it's more the specific GPU

[vital oriole]

these modern gpus doesn't oc well

it's their nature

[junior locust]

Also that

they're built different

[vital oriole]

don't worry about it

they already reach their max potential basically

you can epower an xtx and make it use 700w+ but at that point it's diminishing returns

[junior locust]

You can also throw 1 kilowatt at a 4090 and see marginal gains if any

[young crystal]

valid, i suspected they were already giving about as much as they could but its fun to think about, thank you all. ive got lots of thinking to do

[vital oriole]

you'd get tangible gains tuning ram

[livid idol]

The standard 600W OC power limit is rarely seen without voltage mods. It's voltage limited.

[oak rivet]

doom eternal at 8k with rt can hit over 600w

or furmark

[fringe scroll]

Who tf is playing doom at 8k with raytracing safi

[oak rivet]

it was just to hit over 600w

[fringe scroll]

No but who even thought of trying that 😭

To be able to find out it uses 600watts

[spare relic]

Only Safi

[livid idol]

"rarely"
and furmark barely counts, it's a stress test designed to consume as much power as possible

[fringe scroll]

Furmark doesn't even work that great on modern gpus

I've had dayz draw more power 😭

[livid idol]

You didn't have it configured right then

[fringe scroll]

8k no anti aliasing

Yes it draws alot but I've seen more while playing some games lol

[lone pond]

considering it pulled damn near 900w on my 2080 ti while I wasn't paying attention I'd beg to differ

reported in software, granted, so probably not amazingly accurate. but meh

[fringe scroll]

900watts on a 2080ti...

[lone pond]

close to it anyway. max I saw was 860 ish before it shut itself down

[oak rivet]

Custom bios probably

[lone pond]

I forgot I was running my XOC bios because I forgot to reset it and thought I was stress testing my daily OC

[fringe scroll]

💀

[wicked hound]

It can happen for certain games at UW-QHD or 4k afaik. But it still is quite uncommon.

[hot folio]

I can’t even run furmark if I have both my cpu and gpu overclocked. PSU will trip immediately

[young crystal]

i dont know why but sometimes my games will just minimize and close everything so it brings up the desktop, is this an issue with amd drivers or?

6750 xt and amd 7700

[lone pond]

haven't had any issues like that on my 6800

[heady turtle]

Try factory reinstall the drivers?

[young crystal]

I shall

[raven wharf]

I heard rumors of a 6750 GRE? Anyone have info or a source to back it up

[lone pond]

if it's anything like the 7900 GRE it's probably super cut down N21 sold to net cafes in asia to try and get a bit of sales in a market where the Nvidia 60 class cards typically sell extremely well

[velvet grail]

How good is the cooling on a 6950xt xfx Merc319 (black ed.)?

I know it's really good for the 6800xt, both cool and silent but 6950xt has a slightly higher tdp

I'm looking for a good used card (because new is just a big nope) and I see the best options I have are either 6900 or 6950 's. They all range around €500. Found a 6950xt near me for 510 (xfx Merc319) or a 6900xt (gaming X Trio) on eBay for 490, but it's an auction so idk if tomorrow the price will rise

[fading glacier]

all of them are good, just get the cheapest

[velvet grail]

eBay auction probably will likely go up in price so I guess the 6950xt is the best option

It's 70km away from me but it's ok

PowerColor is the best at making the ugliest cards out there

Why do they all look so bad?

[lone pond]

I rather liked most of their cards this gen lol

[velvet grail]

This feels pretty much low quality design and materials

[random walrus]

Can't always tell materials from a picture

[lone pond]

if it's at all like their old red devils then it's actually very nice

I had a red devil 570 very briefly

I didn't get to play with it, but I was pleasantly surprised by the build quality

[raven wharf]

would the 6750 gre out perform a 6800 xt

i want to get rid of this 6700 XT ik its just going to keep giving me problems

[random walrus]

Doubt it

Also probably will be china exclusive

[random walrus]

Closer to 6800

[keen nacelle]

I can say with about 99% certainty no

[dreamy laurel]

no

[vital oriole]

6750 gre is also china exclusive

[oak rivet]

It's still a rumour most of all

[peak rock]

should I wait for the new amd gpu’s to come out and then build a rig

[oak rivet]

building now seems better these products arent gonna disrupt the market on value day one

[peak rock]

true

wait isn’t the announcement tomorrow

[oak rivet]

announcement but not launch for you to buy

[peak rock]

ok

[oak rivet]

6700xt in particular really good price rn

card is aging really well

[peak rock]

i know

im planning on getting it

but if the new cards are good price to performance I’ll consider them too

[vital oriole]

nah, they wouldn't be yet

[raven wharf]

Do not buy asrock

I’ve had bad issues with mine

unless there is something I can do to fix it that I don’t know about I believe I have a defective card

And asrock rma has not gotten back to me after almost 2 weeks

[solid glacier]

For starfield I might have to upgrade my rig lmao

Recommend is a 6800xt I got a 6900xt but I’m running 1440p i7-12700kf so my fps prolly gonna be like 20

Might switch to 1080 p for it

[fringe scroll]

What are you on

stop

why

[vital oriole]

the recc is actually for 60 fps 1440p

so don't worry

a 6900xt is very capable lmao, just test the game first bro

don't panic

or most importantly don't be hyped for newest games, they tend to be flops these days

[wicked hound]

AsRock's failure rate hasnt been proven to be higher then other companies. Also worth noting all companies have trash CS, depending on location company XZY can be a bit better then the rest.
My best advice is to hate all companies equally.

[fading glacier]

wth, 20 fps on 1440p with a 6900? wth.... you ok bro?

even on ultra everything without rt that card should give you 100+

even on 4k it should give you something around 30-40.... dunno where you got your numbers

[oak rivet]

it will have fsr dont worry

bigger issue might be the cpu if anything

[solid glacier]

Should I get a stronger cpu

Thinking about getting the recent new ones

[oak rivet]

no thats not what i meant

just wait to see what the baseline performance of the game is like

[vital oriole]

don't worry about anything yet, game ain't out and there's no benches yet

[junior locust]

What would be a worthy GPU upgrade from a 6700XT

[oak rivet]

6800xt is the next noticeable step up

[junior locust]

someone here said I should only buy a GPU that's at least twice the performance as an upgrade

you think that's applicable?

[vital oriole]

nah

that's not double

[junior locust]

Techpowerup says a 7900 XT would be 190%
4080 219%
7900 XTX 224%
4090 279%

that's one helluva performance jump

6800 XT would be about 140%

[oak rivet]

I said noticeable

Don't need a fps counter to notice the difference between a 6700xt and 6800xt

[junior locust]

1440p 100+ FPS plausible with it?

the 6800XT

@oak rivet

[oak rivet]

yeah mostly yes

[junior locust]

I see

I guess my next build might be a 6800XT one then

and wait for 5000 series/RDNA 4

I can't justify to spend that much on a new build (since I also wanna build new PCs for my sister and dad who both rock computers that are more 10 years old. My sister has a 17 year old CPU for crying out loud)

[oak rivet]

You already have a 7600x,6700xt?

I think you can wait for next gen anyway 💀

[junior locust]

what, is that not good enough?

[oak rivet]

Fk spelling mistake

[junior locust]

it's brand new too, still have almost 3 year warranty on it all

[junior locust]

ah alrighty

it's more a question of what I'd put in the other 2 machines

I can make a list of what I have and what I indend to buy (and what builds to make of them)

cuz my idea is to provide my family with much needed upgrades as well

My stepdad has a Pentium G2020 in his machine rn

with a GT 710 if my memory serves me right

[oak rivet]

i also build 7700x 4080 build for my sister

the performance per watt on her rig is off the charts

[junior locust]

my sister's comp has an LGA 775 processor in it

probably a Core 2 Duo

they both need an upgrade
Badly

so I want to bring them both forward to the 2020s

stepdad can get a cheap-ish 11th gen platform (or maybe 12th gen if I can fit it)
While my stepsister would inherit my current computer

[fading glacier]

man o man, unless you make money by playing games or you are a rich person you shouldn't worry that much for having the most recent hardware when you already have recent hardware.... a 12700k and a 6900 is a pretty pretty strong combo that will last at least 4 years if not more.

[junior locust]

Oh I can do 12th gen just fine
12100 will do perfectly for his needs

[fading glacier]

get him a 12th, its cheap and way way better than 11th by a long shot

[junior locust]

Do I go full Intel for him though... A750 looks mighty fine

1650, 6500 XT or A750

[fading glacier]

strangely enough on cpus, the more recent ones are cheaper than older gens, should be the other way but oh well

A750 is more powerful than the other 2 options

a750 is comparable to a 3060

[junior locust]

He's not a gamer though

[oak rivet]

just sounds like how much fire there is in the cpu market

[junior locust]

he usually does Photoshop things

he doesn't play games whatsoever

[fading glacier]

still, the price difference between those 3 is minimal, best to get the better one dont you think?

unless you get a 1650 below 150usd

[junior locust]

or a 6400

[fading glacier]

dont make me summon a mod

[junior locust]

lmfao

[fading glacier]

thats profanity here xD

[junior locust]

welp

the cheapest Arc here is ~30% more expensive than a 6500XT or a 1650

[oak rivet]

its more then 30% stronger then those two

unless you are talking about the a380

[junior locust]

it's a 750

Intel first party one

[junior locust]

it's more that I know for a fact he will not really utilize even a 6400

he's not playing any games at all

so I wanna pinch every penny possible

[fading glacier]

then just get him a cpu with integrated graphics

instead of a 6400

you will save a lot more that way

[junior locust]

12100 has IGP

he can always just reuse his GT 710 if he wants to

even if that would be worse than the IGP at this point

[fading glacier]

the igp is way better than the 710

[junior locust]

let's see if the mobo I selected has a HDMI out

Yup

1 DP, 1 HDMI

I can always get a DP>HDMI adapter so he can connect it to the living room TV

that being said...

I can also be cheeky and give him my current mobo, CPU and cooler

that way all 3 PCs are on the same general platform so if something breaks we can borrow parts to get them back up

I'd get the one with all new parts (7800X3D, AK620, 32gb 6400 CL36, OG Riptide Wifi and either an Asrock 6800XT or an XFX 6950XT)

[junior locust]

@oak rivet XFX MERC 319 6950XT for 284k HUF
or
AsRock Phantom Gaming OC 6800XT for 240k HUF

15.5% more money for about... Huh, right about 16% more performance

on average I mean

Yeah honestly in 1440p the 6800XT keeps up nice
And both AMD cards lose to the 4080 in 4k so if I ever upgrade my screen I'd also need a new GPU
Problem is that I kinda can't fit twice the price of the 6950XT for the promise of a later upgrade
Can I?...

[velvet grail]

is it possible to match rx 6950xt performance with a good overclock on a 6900xt?

if yes, would you recommend to do so with a msi gaming x trio? both the 6900xt (msi) and 6950xt (xfx) that I'm looking at are the same price but I really prefer the msi's design by a lot, both have excellent cooling performance.

[junior locust]

I actually don't like MSI's design kek

also

6950XT is actually cheaper than the 6900XTs available here

by like

a lot

[velvet grail]

Where I live it's not

[junior locust]

6900XTs are barely cheaper than a 4080
While the 6950XT I want is actually closer in price to a 6800XT

[velvet grail]

Here in Italy 6900xt (new) range from 600 to 900, 6950xts well over 800

[odd siren]

It depends on the specific model of 6900xt but yes

6950XT's are basically binned and further unlocked 6900XT's

[junior locust]

What the

@odd siren the cheapest 4080 is 1490 dollars here

that's so stupid, jeez

[vital oriole]

normal

taxes and stuff

[junior locust]

honestly I might just do a sneaky and buy a plane ticket to Los Angeles, get to the Tustin Micro Center and get my stuff there
It could legitimately be cheaper

[vital oriole]

plane ticket would probably cost a lot tho

not worth the trouble

[odd siren]

Some places that legitimately works

I know people that have done that in Asia

Have to be wary of import taxes and carry-on claims though

Like you may only be allowed to carry for example, a 7900 xtx if I flew in from overseas to avoid tax

(Australian gift limits stop at $2000 *AUD)

[vital oriole]

here if imported goods are over $30 in market value

i get hit with customs fees

[odd siren]

Ye

I'd bet

[junior locust]

it'd be 1300 bucks

yeah that probably wouldn't work

maybe Austria or Germany?

then again

Germany would probably work better since I am still in the EU so I don't get customs to deal with

[vital oriole]

just order thru amazon.de

[odd siren]

You could drive to germany maybe

[vital oriole]

or go to germany physically ya

[odd siren]

You guys don't always deal with customs borders right?

I remember some countries you just keep driving through lol

[vital oriole]

yeah that's how eu works

[junior locust]

I can catch a direct train to Berlin from Budapest

30 euro

that's honestly stupid cheap if you also plan to load up with PC parts to bring home

[odd siren]

Just make sure you've verified everything when you do it

It may not just be 30 euro

I've been caught out a few times presuming the best

[junior locust]

that's what Hungarian rail says is the direct ticket

[odd siren]

Might suddenly get hit by 30% import fews you never knew about

[junior locust]

if I bring it with me on the train?

[odd siren]

That's what I mean

You should double check these things

[junior locust]

on the other hand though
Warranty would be a huge pain in the hind end

[odd siren]

I wouldn't know about this specific railway service and two specific countries and their import rules

[junior locust]

if something does break you are way up the creek with no paddle

[junior locust]

another thing is
am I willing to spend 3 days on it?

[fading glacier]

is it really worth the hassle?

at the very basic, we usually pay for comoddities, its like why i should buy the potato when i can grow my own?

best to pay some more for the warranty and ease of mind nearby than to make a long trip for saving a few bucks

[odd siren]

Yep, you need to do the research on these things

You won't know if it's worth it until you really weigh it up

[junior locust]

4 hours of train ride to catch the international train
11 hours of travel on the international train
Hotel room in Berlin for 1 night
Buy the things
Bring it back to the hotel room and build it
Stuff the PC in my bag and catch the train back the next day
11 hours of travel again
and then another 4 hours back home

[odd siren]

This last sentence

[fading glacier]

even if its somehwat cheaper, you are using time for the travel, and time is irreplaceable

[odd siren]

How to stuff in bag

[junior locust]

I can fit an ATX tower PC in my backpack
Can't you?

do I want to?

Hell no

[odd siren]

If I stuffed my pc in my bag it would weigh more than a military pack

[junior locust]

Exactly :3

[fading glacier]

tbf you dont need to travel with the case 😛

[junior locust]

now travel over 15 hours with that on your back

[fading glacier]

ssd in one sock, memories on other sock...

[odd siren]

Well, you'd be on a train

But stowing that 30kg bag?

Heh

Don't break your back

[junior locust]

I'd still need to navigate Budapest with the PC on my back

[odd siren]

Not a good idea

[fading glacier]

just do yourself a favor and buy locally even if its a bit expensive

too much hassle to my liking all that train trip

[junior locust]

Yeah it'd be a really good adventure to go buy a GPU in Berlin and see the place in the meantime

but it'd not be to save a little overall

[fading glacier]

and a waste of time, way too many hours

[odd siren]

https://tenor.com/view/hobbit-adventure-gif-18135104

[junior locust]

so yeah

just gonna have to evaluate the prices I have access to and shop smart

anyhow Felix

6950XT
Or 4080 for double the cost?

[odd siren]

6950 without a doubt

[junior locust]

Ong

[heady turtle]

6950xt or 7900xtx

4080 is overpriced af

[junior locust]

now that being said
I think you'll also say 6950XT when a 6800XT is only 40k HUF cheaper (281k for the 6950, 240 for the 6800)

[odd siren]

Either or

Numerically they add up to be roughly the same $/fps

6950 slightly better

[junior locust]

475k for the 7900XTX
281 for the 6950XT

[heady turtle]

6950 then

Or 6800xt depends how much you wanna spend

[odd siren]

Yeah xtx is a pass

[heady turtle]

But if you have a 6700xt rn, i wouldn't bother upgrading to a 6800xt

[junior locust]

Tbf I'd give the 6700XT to my sister
6950XT is a bigger update?

Sadly I can't get an Asrock one, only an XFX or an Asus

but the Asus one is over 310k

[odd siren]

The cheapest

[junior locust]

so significantly more expensive

[odd siren]

Pick the cheapest

They're all electrically very similar

[junior locust]

XFX it is
also known as one of the only 2 variants available

no joke
only XFX, Asus and Asrock 6950XTs were ever offered here

[odd siren]

Nothing wrong with an xfx, just a little more loud than others

[junior locust]

Yeah I can tell

[odd siren]

Most xfx owners I talk to like their cards

[junior locust]

wait I'm stupid

my 6700XT is a Powercolor

not XFX

🤣

[odd siren]

6700xt is amazing imo

One of my favourite cards to try to date

No nonsense, just install and go

[junior locust]

yeah, it does deliver

only real issue I have is that I can't actually get maximum perf out of it with my 75hz 1080p screen

[odd siren]

Well upgrade the screen then

[fading glacier]

thats should be pinned for everyone that ask the same... this one or this one?... when talking about high end gpus all of them are overengineered, just pick the cheapest amd or nvidia, all the same

[odd siren]

No

There are genuine differences

But rare that you land a bad egg is all

[junior locust]

Oh I absolutely will upgrade my screen as soon as I can

[fading glacier]

well bad eggs are on every basket

you just need to be unlucky to land on one 😦

[junior locust]

I already have the list, you should remember the list

[odd siren]

Considering the number of people I help in a day, no

I forget very quickly without recap

[junior locust]

Well, may God have mercy on your sensory overload then

Here we go:
-Ikea chair (I'm currently sitting on a broken, age old office chair)
-23cm desk fan (so I don't get poached in my own sweat in the summers)
-Yenkee YMC 1030 kit (cheap condenser mic, boom arm, shock mount and XLR-3.5mm jack cable)
-Webcam
-Headphone stand (I wanna keep it in one spot so I don't end up sitting on it accidentally)
-Another different headphone stand (this one's the Zalman folding one for my current headphones which I'll keep as backup)
-1 outlet surge protector (plug it into the wall and plug my extension cord into it that I have my PC stuff plugged in to keep everything safe)
-Series X controller
-Monitor lightbar (the desk lamp I have barely works)
-NATEC Genesis Helium 610BT 2.1 speaker set (Bluetooth+3.5mm inputs so I can use both with my PC and phone)
-Arctis Nova 1P headphones (to use with my PC)
-Keychron M3 mouse
-Keychron K10 Pro keyboard (with brown switches to replace my current blue switch keyboard cuz my A-hole stepdad keeps complaining about it even tho nobody else seems to mind)
-VG27AQ1A monitor (1440p 170Hz 27" IPS, does what I need and at a reasonable price here methinks)
-twin monitor arm from Alza
-2× 1.5m DP 2.0 cables
-Cable management tidbits to tidy up the rat's nest the PC shop left me
-wooden end table to migrate my PC onto so I can fit the speakers and 2 screens on my limited space desk
-Carpet protector so I can actually use the freaking chair

[odd siren]

I remember this

Change the mic to a razer seiren mini

Unless #peripherals-and-displays told you otherwise

And the headset change to hyperx cloud 2

Nova is a bit mid iirc

[junior locust]

that's more expensive with no cables or mounting arm

[odd siren]

Yes

Or get a modmic

Modmic >>>> cheap mic with boom and mount

[junior locust]

I honestly just need that cheap mic to get started
And anyone who made a video on it said it was comparable to significantly more expensive mics

[odd siren]

Modmics may as well be considered serious mid range despite how cheap they are

[junior locust]

it also costs twice as much

jeez

[junior locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-Gh9imuiU&ab_channel=Skill-UPCounterStrike
Here's a straight to PC sound test as well as what's in the box

video maker replied to a comment a week ago asking how it holds up and it's going well for them

[odd siren]

Idk how much I like that tbh

[junior locust]

I honestly like how cheap you can go to still get pretty good audio
And you can always upgrade the mic itself later

[odd siren]

Pretty sure the modmic is better

It might be comparable to the seiren mini

[junior locust]

it's about the level of a Seiren Mini

but it's a whole package and you can connect it to an XLR input if you get a mixer like ever

[odd siren]

I would def say modmic is better if that's the case

I would make the argument a mixer and full xlr setup would be quite dimishing over a modmic

And that's definitely far from what I would consider with a mixer tbh lol

That said, I'm one guy and no audio pro

But I've had a lot of mics, you could also consider pc37x/pc38x

That headset mic is far better than those other mics

And it sounds good if you like open backs and you aren't in a very noisy area

They also do international shipping and the headsets go on sale for near 100$

[junior locust]

oh I'm right next to a trucking route so

open back ain't an option sadly

[odd siren]

I meant like, noisy house

Noisy outside isn't as big of a concern

[junior locust]

Yes
The house is right next to a road truckers use
It makes the building shake

[odd siren]

Alr

Welp, my phone's at 3% so

I'm out 👋

[junior locust]

take care

I'll be around

[heady turtle]

I've a feeling we'll see 6950xt stay around that 550 price since 7800xt was just announced actually

[lone pond]

oh was it? nice

the AMD.com specs page mentions AI accelerators

I need to listen to the announcement

[fading glacier]

if it goes down to that price it will destroy everything known to man

heck i even order one at that price just to have a backup for the backup in case the backup needs a backup

[fading glacier]

ok, really

going to check

[heady turtle]

i think its OOS now

[fading glacier]

T_T

at 530 yeah, thats a literal steal

i could easily swap the 60ti from my sister pc to that

dunno if that kind of upgrade will handle cad work as well as her current card tho

but i suppose it will

[heady turtle]

felix would probaly be able to answe that he do CAD afaik

[fading glacier]

man, yesterday, fk i hate myself

need to check deals more often

[random walrus]

Price error that got fixed I think

Right after that the 6800 from the same page was $529

[heady turtle]

Ah possibly, hope it gets fulfilled

[keen nacelle]

Does anyone know anything about amds Hyper-RX? It seems like it could be a really impressive feature that would be an added selling point if it's actually useful

[raven wharf]

NEW AMD GPUS YES

[keen nacelle]

It's supposed to release on September 6th

That's not a new amd gpu

It's a new feature on amd gpus, I think only rdna 3

There are new amd gpus though

[oak rivet]

its a one click toggle of their existing 3 feature suite

[heady turtle]

just enables all their good stuffs at once

[keen nacelle]

Oh lmao I thought it was updating existing features and putting them together not just putting the three together

[raven wharf]

would it be worth trying to get rid of my 6700 XT and going for one of the new AMD cards

Pretty sure mine is defective anyway

[heady turtle]

well theres also fsr 3 which has frame gen methinks

[oak rivet]

fsr3 is game by game basis

hyper rx is driver level

[heady turtle]

oh right yeah i misread as super res

[oak rivet]

these dont seem that great to me value wise

while last gen stock exist the current gen will seem to be that way

atleast in the US this renders the 7700xt useless

[lone pond]

if AMD's slide is accurate and the 7800 XT slots in at last gen flagship performance for $500 then that's pretty solid imo. I mean, last gen we went crazy that the 3070 competed with the 2080 ti at $500 and it had less memory than the Turing part. now we get a $500 part that still competes with the 3080 ti (if AMD's numbers are correct ofc) for $500 with bunches more memory. not to mention that $500 now is worth a good bit less than $500 then. not that we should particularly care as consumers given median wages are pretty stagnant...

[oak rivet]

if you look at the 7900gre that does not instill confidence for the 7800xt

[lone pond]

the 7900 GRE is clocked very low with notably less memory bandwidth. and as we've seen, RDNA 2 and 3 cards are very sensitive to memory bandwidth. the clock speed gap alone ought to make up for the 10 CU difference, and more memory bandwidth just adds to that

7700 XT is definitely very questionably tho. $50 extra for something a little better than a 4060 ti that was hammered for terrible price/per uplift? meh, I'll pass. would have been interesting at $380-400 imo

[lone pond]

oh wait, it was a 20 CU difference. eh, should probs match the GRE then

for some reason I thought the GRE was 70 CUs

memory bandwidth is OP on Radeon

[oak rivet]

efficiency wont be on their side against the sub 200w 4060ti,4070 thats for sure

[lone pond]

yeah, but that was a given. N5 chiplet vs N4 monolithic... AMD was never going to win on efficiency

[keen nacelle]

The 4060 ti is a joke.

The 4070 is often a joke, only really an actual option got video editors, blender use, and such

Power limit is irrelevant when they're overpriced as hell

[keen nacelle]

And that's only if you won't consider used

[peak rock]

so is fsr 3 only for the new cards or does hyper Rx and all of that work for previous cards

[random walrus]

Hyprx should work for previous cards but it's literally just a toggle for multiple features that already existed

[random walrus]

^

[vital oriole]

at least instead of paying $500 for 4060ti 16gb

7800xt will offer more perf for less than 4070 too

i don't see why efficiency being inferior is a bad thing

it's a give and take situation

[sharp trellis]

Hi, I own a 7900xt...
and I've been having problems with constant timeouts

[vital oriole]

What's your exact problem?

Errors, blue screens or crashes?

[sharp trellis]

So I play Apex Legends and Fortnite, Apex legends I get lucky and run for so long but Fortnite I've had more constant timeout and crashes...

But other games like single games, Horizon zero dawn no issues
no issues on No mans sky, and maybe COD, War thunder no issues. Euro truck 2 literally no problem

I just saw this issue, when Fortnite freezes, second monitor the video call 4 person's cameras go green

Indicating hard crash and driver reset, right?

And I play Fortnite on DX12, if it helps the diganos.

Yes I've updated the AMD drivers to up the date.

Hard DDU, twice. first time with Adrenlin software, second time Driver only no Adrenalin software.

Fortnite still crashes for me on DX12. Havent played it in DX11 yet.

Hey, would turning on VSync for all games that had a crash/driver timeout help?

And would running one more display to the GPU cause issue? Other than DP cable being used for gaming monitor while the HDMI cable is used as secondary monitor

[vital oriole]

Nope that's fine

As for for fortnite, I strongly suggest running dx11 anyway

It yields more performance too

[sharp trellis]

Thinking of doing DDU + driver rollback

Or DDU download and a new AMD driver and unplug the internet, and do DDU then amd driver again.

Ok, will try that with DX11 first.

[vital oriole]

I'd ddu and do driver rollback to test too, once you're done testing fortnite

[sharp trellis]

Which driver tho if you know a stable one for 7900xt?

[odd siren]

23.8.1/2

[vital oriole]

Thx felix

I barely know about amd's drivers lmao

[sharp trellis]

Is there a way to pull up my current AMD driver verison?

And thank you Felix

[odd siren]

Adrenalin

[vital oriole]

Ya, through adrenalin

[sharp trellis]

forgot to say

i do not have adrenalin

[odd siren]

Or find the download you had, it's labelled

[vital oriole]

^

[sharp trellis]

Since i also think adrenalin is the issue

[vital oriole]

Adrenalin is just the control panel suite, shouldn't have issues

[odd siren]

I gotta go in a few minutes but I would say go straight to trying dx11, see if it runs well enough

Frankly high dx11 in fortnite should look and run better than low dx12 anyway

[sharp trellis]

Doing it now, thank you for the replies. It's driving me crazy, chasing answers in various forums.

This is my first AMD card.

[odd siren]

It's ok, sometimes radeon cards just have bad sticklers for certain loads

[vital oriole]

I run amd gpu too but it's in the form of igpu

[odd siren]

It can possibly mean rma, or you can negate it by increasing power limit

[vital oriole]

So I install drivers for it once and forget about it

[sharp trellis]

i run 850w in there

[odd siren]

What cpu?

[sharp trellis]

5 5600x

[odd siren]

You're fine

In fact

You're bottlenecked unless 4k

[sharp trellis]

main monitor runs at 165hz 1440p

[odd siren]

Yeah def bottlenecked

You'll be using some 80% of the gpu on average

Beside the point tho, give dx11 a go

[sharp trellis]

Okay, fine with me. cant afford a nice 4k monitor haha atm

[odd siren]

Oh not XTX, much less of a bottleneck

XT is like, maybe a few%

Nvm

Mb

Yeah give dx11 a go then let us know, then I'd suggest maybe a vram test or core downclock in adrenalin to see if that fixes the issue

With power limit up

You do this in the tuning tab

If it does then potentially the card could be considered RMA worthy for failing stability tests

[sharp trellis]

Alright.

[odd siren]

That said, call of duty is a pretty decent AMD test, warzone specifically

[wicked hound]

DId you install the drivers offline or online? DDU can lose effectiveness if internet exists, cuz Windows likes to auto install stuff

[odd siren]

Alr I'm out, good luck

✌️

[sharp trellis]

Fortnite is easier to reproduce driver timeout for me.

And thanks Felix again

have a good day/night

[sharp trellis]

Uhhhh

I do not remember..

Think I've done it online but I did freeze windows update and went into safe mode. I think.

[wicked hound]

Doesnt really sound like a driver reinstall alone would help at this point, but tbf I trust nothing but true offline reinstalls for making sure whacky driver issues go away. I have no faith in Windows doing what it's told, not installing stuff when set in settings.

I havent had any AMD GPU before so I cant really speak from experieince. Anyways I'd prolly try the solutions give so far:

• DX11
• Revert to older driver
• Decrease core/memory clock and increase Power Limit
• Uninstall driver through AMD software. I've heard old rumors that DDU isnt as good as default uninstaller.
• Check if Windows is dead with SFC /scannow && DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth && DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth && DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth && SFC /scannow in admin cmd

[sharp trellis]

Wew, no crashes on DX11..so far...gonna keep playing..

[sharp trellis]

Very true. Valid point. Will do DDU offline clean and new graphics driver install for AMD

[oak rivet]

that is a big difference its definetly a bit of an oof

[vital oriole]

just 40-60w

as if bills are gonna go up

unless you game 24/7

wait nvm

that's still not big enough of a difference

and doesn't justify the price tags nvidia puts on 4060ti (both versions) and 4070

[keen nacelle]

^

I'd imagine power use will go down with future drivers too, atleast by a bit

[wicked hound]

85w at $0.25/kwh for 4700h (196 days) is $100. Assuming 6h of high use per day then that is 784 days of use before 85w of power usage difference will accumulate $100 at $0.25/kwh.

[vital oriole]

but you're missing out on big performance lol

7800xt is looking to be 3080 perf

and it's $500

$100 less than 4070

4060ti 16gb is also $500

[oak rivet]

that is also extra heat on the room for no reason lol

[vital oriole]

ok let's buy 4060ti 16gb then

that's the conclusion

easy

or just not buy anything since it's all crap, woo

[wicked hound]

Moore Threads only good GPU maker ||/s||

[oak rivet]

didnt say anything about buying the two cards is just hella inefficient thats all

[vital oriole]

facts

[ivory herald]

[vital oriole]

no one wants one

i wonder why

[ivory herald]

waits for someone to cry auction/bidding, but still. Also as a watt example, I'm staying under 250w reported by hwinfo or msi AB (not counting transients of course). gpu market is great since a year or so ago. -- stock voltage however, will be nice during winter. ⛄

[icy lava]

Dang. 14 months ago I paid 800 for a 3080 🤢

[keen nacelle]

Idk why I haven't pl'd my 3060 ti my room is getting quite hot, I'm going to do that when I get home

[ivory herald]

'21-'22 was wild. Jan 4th I paid $620.
Bacca, You can try 80-90PL but even better would of be an UV. There's many guides or YT tutorials that aren't the best. Here's a good guide and my quick example showing modest +60 core w/ UV to match stock clocks. Also shows how smooth the curve should be, w/o big dips or angle near the top.
https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia Overclocking.md

[raven wharf]

nuh uh

7800 XT 💪

[vital oriole]

i wasn't defending 4060ti at all lol

i however would wait for 6th next month, amd might even dump price further. who knows

these new radeon lower skus aren't out yet until then

[raven wharf]

would it be worth

getting rid of my probably defective 6700 XT

and getting a 7800 XT

but yes

[vital oriole]

no

[raven wharf]

waiting until the 6th

[vital oriole]

i'd personally buy a used 6800xt

or new ones

but yeah waiting is probably not a bad idea, it's got a certain release date

nvidia apparently waiting for that day to decide whether they should drop price or not on 4060ti and 4070

[raven wharf]

could i get away with using a 6900 on a 750W psu

[vital oriole]

yes

especially with 7600

7600 consumes like only 65w or less

[night echo]

hey, if this even makes sense....

would you have to use ddu for integrated graphics before installing a dedicated gpu ?

[vital oriole]

no

if you have amd igpu and are about to install an and gpu in your system, you could simply update your drivers to latest version before plopping the gpu in

but ddu is recommended for maximum stability in case problems rises

[night echo]

thanks

[night echo]

and should i use adrenaline right off the bat to update before installing, or just use the device manager then adrenaline afterward

[vital oriole]

you can use adrenalin to update

[sharp trellis]

Will AMD ever issue a fix for Dx12 timeout crashing?

[heady turtle]

I haven't heard of any issues with dx12, have you updated your drivers? If so try tick the factory reinstall box and reinstall the drivers

[sharp trellis]

I do on my 7900xt

But I switched to DX11. No issues

And I have also updated the drivers, DDU and everything @heady turtle

[heady turtle]

It's probably a singular game then? a lot of games that support 2 versions suck at one and runs fine on the other

Are you having trouble in all your dx12 games?

Also on amd ddu isn't as effective so best to reinstall with factory install button ticked

[sharp trellis]

Nope, I find it weird

Dx12 control with ray tracing enabled and 100% no issues

It’s Fortnite on dx12

And apex legends sometimes

[heady turtle]

That's it then, it's not amd it's the games crappy optimization for one of the platforms

[sharp trellis]

I dunno, my 3070ti ran fine on Fortnite dx12 but I sometimes get occasional crashes nothing serious..
However with amd it would report that there is driver timeout along with game unreal crash pop up

Switched to dx11 and saw no problems

[vital oriole]

It's either the game or amd hasn't noticed this issue

[fading glacier]

probably the game... not the first time games sucks at dx12

[odd siren]

You could investigate this more with some stress testing maybe

But yeah, no issues on DX11 then, you should just stick to DX11 tbh

It's a shoot em up game anyway you want the fps to fly

[sharp trellis]

True

[odd siren]

Wouldn't worry about it until it happens in another game imo

[jade jewel]

Wat driver do I need to install for my 3060 ti

[vital oriole]

latest one

game ready driver

[ivory herald]

If needed* imo. (Personally) I aim to skip at least the 1st of a "string". My picks for example:

[proper quartz]

is there any bottleneck with Ryzen 7600 and RTX 4080?
playing in 2k

[vital oriole]

no

at 1440p it won't have any issues

but might i suggest you of 7900xtx

it's a faster gpu in games, and is cheaper by a good chunk too

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCBG3C/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-pg-24go

$939 for the second fastest gaming gpu there is

Next to 4090 that's obviously the best ofc

Use the extra savings onto 7800x3d

[oak rivet]

really does depend on what games you play

overall fps floor for that combo will be high anyway

[proper quartz]

i like fps games like cod and battlefield

[vital oriole]

grab the xtx and 7800x3d and you will wreck any games

[odd siren]

that's exactly why you should get XTX

Cod likes Radeon more

by a huge margin as well

[heady turtle]

Like 25% on average iirc

[random walrus]

Thats wild

[heady turtle]

Cod loves amd

[sharp trellis]

FFs.

Fortnite DX11 has crashed.

"It's not the AMD, it's the game"

Clearly an AMD issue.

[fringe scroll]

Is your card running at stock?

[sharp trellis]

yes

[heady turtle]

Did you try the factory reinstall of drivers? Also check your game for errors

[sharp trellis]

I have done Offline DDU - full install with Adrenlin

And checking for game errors? Like verify the files?

[heady turtle]

Yeah but as i said yesterday ddu isn't as effective as a factory reinstall on amd

[heady turtle]

Ye

[sharp trellis]

Okay, how do you do factory reinstall?

you men Factory Reset in AMD graphics installer?

If so...then it's greyed out for me.

[rustic pulsar]

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[rustic pulsar]

Ohh I backread never mind please ignore me

[heady turtle]

No not ddu

[rustic pulsar]

Yeah I don’t backfire sry I’ll delete the margen

[heady turtle]

It's when you download the drivers again, on install there should be a tick box along the lines of factory reinstall

[velvet grail]

I was doing some testing on my pc (fans & temperatures) and -after restarting my pc to add a fan and test further- I noticed I wasn't able to get the same power consumption on my GPU and I noticed MSI afterburner for some reason set the power limit to 50%. Has this ever happened to someone else? It's the first time apparently (for me)

[sharp trellis]

Yeah that’s the factory reset..and I can’t click it.

[heady turtle]

Sorry thought you meant in the deiver settings or something. Hmm that's odd maybe @odd siren might know something that will work

[sharp trellis]

I’m open to any suggestions, I’m thinking to driver roll back to older versions and see if they’re stable.

[heady turtle]

That's no harm either yea

[odd siren]

Oof try 23.6.1

Or even 22.11.1

I'd be considering that vram test soon, .8 is supposed to be very good

[carmine dune]

Looking for an opinion. If you remember a while ago, @wary anvil and I "fixed" my 3080Ti by removing a dead mosfet. Well, it works, kinda. It's been crashing during games, seemingly inconsistently. Crashes in a menu in one game, crashes during gameplay in others. And when I say crash, I mean there's a kernel panic event in event viewer and windows reboots. No log file. Tried an OS reinstall and it didn't help. Now the other part of this is that I'm a graduate student doing deep learning research, so having a GPU is kind of a must. I use PyTorch, which doesn't support ROCm on Windows. I could go back to a dual boot setup but I was having issues where Nvidia updates on Windows kept nuking my boot partition for Linux

So I'm out of ideas besides just buying another card. I really don't wanna spend the $1200 or whatever on a 4080 or something to replace it. @wary anvil had the idea of getting a 6950XT for ~$700 and using that as a gaming card and using my 3080Ti as a DL card, since it hasn't been crashing during model training. I have the case space for it and my power supply could handle one of the GPUs running at a time. So if I could get drivers to play nice with each other then theoretically this could work. But that's still $700. Anyone got any other ideas?

[heady turtle]

Yeah i mean they're around 600 now but that should work

[raven wharf]

XFX has to have some of the coolest looking cards imo

[peak rock]

your not wrong

BUT I also show bias towards Team Rocket graphics cards

[carmine dune]

Has anyone run a config like that? An AMD card alongside an Nvidia card?

[peak rock]

wait that’s possible?

[lone pond]

the 6700 xt ref cooler was the least nice looking imo

the N21 coolers looked fantastic

easily my favorite cooler design in recent memory

[peak rock]

show example of n21 cooler pls

[keen nacelle]

It's possible but in 99.99999% of cases pointless

[carmine dune]

Read my case lol

[keen nacelle]

Ah alright

That should be fine, depending on how the drivers play together you might need to use two separate boot drives

[carmine dune]

Yeah, I'm wondering how the drivers would play together. I've heard they've gotten better and not breaking things but it might take some finicking

[sharp trellis]

I own an XFX normal verison and I say it's a cool and nice looking card

7900xt tho

[raven wharf]

cool as in temp?

[sharp trellis]

Nah lol it looks cool i mean

Hey I'm curious since you're a 6700xt user @raven wharf

Do you play Fortnite on DX12 or nah?

[raven wharf]

Haven't played fortnite in over a year and a half

and idk what dx12 is

[lament widget]

Had a 6800, built solid and needed no brace. Just ordered a 6950 that someone posted in deals over the weekend.

[sharp trellis]

Nice, enjoy

[odd siren]

Did you replace or bridge the stage? What's the wattage of the psu involved

I'm not that smart on repairs but curious

[carmine dune]

Just disconnected it. Removed the mosfet. So that stage is nonfunctional now. PSU is 850W

[odd siren]

What cpu are you running? Have you tried it in a separate system? (I'm guessing yes)

[carmine dune]

No, don't have another system

3950X tho

[odd siren]

Hmmm, probably ok then

Figured maybe if the psu was a bit close to the edge it might trip under certain loads with a 3080ti, probably fine tho

I've definitely had that randomness with the 3090 I owned but it was due to psu llc settings in bios of all things (took several windows reinstalls to figure out)

Idk, maybe might help? I'd def be curious to see if replacing the stage would do anything too

Probably tried that too tho

[graceful flicker]

not as cool as evga 3080

[vital oriole]

cringe

[graceful flicker]

wtf evga 3080 looks cool

[carmine dune]

Ran fine for a year before the MOSFET burned out

[carmine dune]

That would be... Very difficult to say the least

This is the chip that burned out. Would need to replace it and some of the caps and resistors around it

Took me 2 hours on a heater to get the card to heat up enough for the solder to melt. Turns out a big copper slab is a pretty decent heatsink

[odd siren]

Hmm

Maybe Krisfix could pull it off?

I agree with everyone else in moving to a 6950 but maybe you could just outright save the card is all

Even if Kris managed it for like $150 then you could get some money back

Food for thought maybe

[carmine dune]

It's most definitely doable, but I don't particularly trust myself with that sort of operation. Rather have a slightly unstable card than no card

[young crystal]

soldering is so fun but im so scared every time cause i know almost nothing about circuitry and architecture i just follow guides

[lone pond]

learning by doing is a thing. if you follow those guides enough eventually you'll pick up a thing or two

[young crystal]

real

[hot bough]

How bottlenecked is a 4090 on a WQHD monitors?

[oak rivet]

Vague question

[silent cradle]

Should I update my graphics?