Lemme know when you've tried it
#graphics-cards
odd siren
random thunder
ok
random thunder
Cable
Gotta love cake management
God I forgot how long it takes for hdd to boot
odd siren
Lol
random thunder
I'm signing in and it is taking forever lol
Oh I already got drivers with the hdd
Must've done it when I cloned it
This thing is still loading
odd siren
If you want sure, that's a pretty demanding stability test
random thunder
Well wanna make sure it's not the gpu
Which I really don't think it is or would've not been able to play ark for 24 hours with no problems
odd siren
Make sure this is a new install of the game
random thunder
Yea I don't got it on the hdd so it has to be a new install
odd siren
Awesome
Yeah cos if you load a game installed on the old install, you might get carry over errors
random thunder
I just got a error on the bottom right saying restart to repair drive errors
odd siren
Do you put most games on it?
random thunder
Probably almost 10tears
odd siren
Oh my
random thunder
No I d9nt use it anymore lol
odd siren
Ah
random thunder
odd siren
I'm not gonna say yes on that one
If it has bad sectors it will attempt to fix but you might lose some data (or rather, already lost)
random thunder
Oof
Wait if it was already going bad when I cloned it could mess something up
?
random thunder
Ok so discord finally booted on here
random thunder
This had
Hdd sucks
I just notice my gpu ain't even enabled so I just enabled now its causing fits on my monitors
Ok there we go it loaded finall
odd siren
Lol
odd siren
You have 23.1.2 it looks like
Time to try cyberpunk at the slowest load times in the world
odd siren
Lmao
random thunder
I was going to buy that ssd you posted but someone snagged it before I could buy it
odd siren
Just a cheap as chips silicon power A60 or A55 would be fine tbh
The M450 is 25$ at gamestop tho
random thunder
Oh boy I'll start the download but it stops at 21mb
It should be fine if I download it on my ssd right
odd siren
Yes
random thunder
Oh I think it's cloud errors I hate steam with their new cloud thing
I think I'm going to bdo instead smaller
odd siren
Oof
@random thunder maybe we should try this with a new ssd
Or if you can, make a new partition on the current ssd if there's space
random thunder
Hey I got my brother HDD that's fairly new so I'm trying to download windows with my key but it won't let me boot into my usb
livid idol
Hey I got my brother HDD that's fairly new so I'm trying to download windows wit...
It should be that SMI USB partition 1. If not try partition 2.
random thunder
Yea it because I was in secure boot I was able to get in but now it won't let me pick the HDD
random thunder
It should be that SMI USB partition 1. If not try partition 2.
How do fix this
livid idol
There's 1 of 2 causes for that. Either it's correct and the disk is MBR or you need to delete the "system reserved" partition.
random thunder
Do I need to not reformat it because I did that and reformatted and it still showed that
livid idol
No
You can find out if it's MBR or GPT pretty easily. Press Shift+F10, enter these commands and screenshot the result.
diskpart
select disk 0
list disk
There should be a star under "GPT" next to Disk 0
If not
convert gpt
random thunder
Do I do this in windows or at that windows instal
random thunder
K
Disk 0 is the new drive disk 1 is my windows and my ssd disk 2 is my usb
Oh skipped a step need to clean it before convery
Convert
random thunder
I will be back later lmk how it goes
It's going good so far with the new window installed everything fresh. I was able to open Garry's mod multiple times without a direct x problem like the old one can also share my discord screen. Just waiting to download a big game for stress test
No bsods either uet
Yet
random thunder
I will be back later lmk how it goes
I guess thats not bad I didnt Bsod at all so I think windows might have been screwed up or something for the gpu to go through this with no problems.\
I guess il go play around in cyber punk andn see if that changes anything
random thunder
I will be back later lmk how it goes
What should be the next plan of action Wipeing the SSD with I guess corrupted windows or something and just start anew and just saving the important stuff to my usb
livid idol
whats your opinon should I just wipe the ssd and start anew?
It's worth a try
random thunder
Yea probably going to do it no problems
as of now no bsod at all no direct x errors just slow HDD
odd siren
What should be the next plan of action Wipeing the SSD with I guess corrupted wi...
Hey man. Sorry I was wiped earlier.
Yeah I think it's worth saying that windows was just buggered and a clean slate install will fix it now
oak rivet
I guess thats not bad I didnt Bsod at all so I think windows might have been scr...
fellow zen4 chad
hasty sphinx
@random thunder Don't let the dude ^above^ fool you into being just like him. It's not healthy. I promise.
random thunder
<@250438417148542976> Don't let the dude ^above^ fool you into being just like h...
I dont get what he said lol
oh nvm
hasty sphinx
oh not the dude that said 3060>6700xt
pics or it didn't happen
random thunder
lol
fading glacier
toxic sluice
Does anyone know how reliable is this refurbished msi graphics card here: https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-rtx-3090-ventus-3x-24g-oc/p/N82E16814137807
keen nacelle
Does anyone know how reliable is this refurbished msi graphics card here: https:...
seems fine but the model is not good, unless you need the vram for something I wouldn't go for that gpu
random thunder
damn refurbished brings the price down 50%
keen nacelle
for gaming I would get this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BM92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-speedster-merc-319-video-card-rx-695xatbd9
toxic sluice
Im gonna use that for deep learning, I really need that vram.
I am more worried about the warranty
keen nacelle
ah alright
toxic sluice
It still seems too cheap to me
keen nacelle
the temps will definitely not be good though
toxic sluice
idk
keen nacelle
I'd look for a used one personally
of a better model
ventus is the singular worst model, and in deep learning it will definitely be getting toasty
random thunder
Is the rx7600 any good?
keen nacelle
depends on price
toxic sluice
I see, thanks for helping @keen nacelle
keen nacelle
happy to
random thunder
I havent heard anything about it just curious
unique relic
ok I think I decided on buying an rtx 4080 laptop after some days
is hp omen 17 a good model
the max cpu config and 240 hz panel one
frigid anvil
Don't overspend on a GPU
vital oriole
is hp omen 17 a good model
omen 17 is decent
unique relic
omen 17 is decent
is there a better model I can buy without paying a huge premium
should I buy this or an rtx 4070 rog strix
vital oriole
not sure, i haven't been very up to date with deals
avoid the strix 4070, not because it's bad, but the value is bad
frigid anvil
So I don't think it's directed to anyone lol
It wasn't. Just a general statement.
vital oriole
Yeah, I figured
unique relic
avoid the strix 4070, not because it's bad, but the value is bad
ok
so I think I'll buy the omen
i9 240 hz variant
I like its simple design a lot
I know that display isnt the best but idc a lot
vital oriole
that's the most logical choice then
unique relic
my only concern is its dE is very high
vital oriole
my only concern is its dE is very high
it's for game dev isn't it? color accuracy isn't really a need for such tasks
According to notebookcheck, qhd display option has decent saturation values actually
It's the 13900HX+4080 variant isn't it?
vital oriole
weird, here saturation values in notebookcheck says it delivers great color accuracy even uncalibrated
unique relic
I couldnt find the site in my history I don't know how
ok well anyways then
notebookcheck is more trusted than that site I've seen for first time
vital oriole
i always use this site for laptop reviews
they're one of the best laptop reviewers out there
vital oriole
yeah
unique relic
so with the rtx 4080 I also solved the vram problem for myself
vital oriole
it doesn't exihibit any thermal throttling
unique relic
because using an rtx 4070 would limit me in vram in long term
vital oriole
ya
unique relic
this laptop has 90 watt hour battery right I saw it like that before
vital oriole
should be
i would be surprised if the batt is smaller than 90 watt hour on a high end laptop
unique relic
I'll re-check
unique relic
yeah I just saw it as well
unique relic
3268 usd
unique relic
which model?
unique relic
wow only 2.5k?
unique relic
I added 1 tb and 32 gb ram and its 2.6k
unique relic
wow for the same price (with omen) theres 4090
hmm
tho this ones keyboard doesnt look rly good
vital oriole
Here's $1899 for 12900h+4080
Yeah I get that, but you're looking to save money or get the most out of it
unique relic
about the last one
its cool but 16 inch will be a bit small
and the cpu is less powerful but the price
if this was 17 inches it'd be perfect for the price
and I'm concerned about the build quality of vector series
since I want to use this laptop for a long time
vital oriole
hm that makes sense
the legion is the best built one so far
4090 Omen 17
$2450
unique relic
I'm not in US it'd be a good deal otherwise
vital oriole
oh you're not in the us?
unique relic
no
vital oriole
which country is it then?
unique relic
I'm from turkey
vital oriole
alright
if they do international shipping i would be willing to bite the bullet though
vital oriole
that's a bit sad
unique relic
us has the best deals lmao
this ones 4090 variant sells for 3900 usd in my local e-retailers
vital oriole
so basically amazon and newegg are your viable choice
unique relic
yes and some other local sites but pretty much
vital oriole
if you want to catch us prices
unique relic
I checked some newegg models out as well
like those strix ones
hmmmm
a sec I'll give the us link
how is this one
it isnt as cheap for me bc theres the taxes but still an option
vital oriole
not bad
This one's $2199 on amazon
13700H with 4080
Check if fees and stuff aren't insane for you
unique relic
165 usd delivery wow are they carrying a whole shipping crate
near the price its nothing tho
so its fine
hm full hd is the qhd one available
unique relic
For game devs I think even 13700H is fine
it is
I use an 3800x and rtx 2070 on desktop
vital oriole
At 17.3" 1080p is perfectly usable
unique relic
but I don't have a laptop so I want to buy something I can use for a long time
vital oriole
1440p would be nice for extra work space of course
unique relic
thats very important for me
I tried 1080p 15.3 inch before and it was literally impossible to work with that
unique relic
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-AORUS-17H-1920x1080-BXF-74US554SH/dp/B0BSR8959Z/...
13900hx and qhd config is extremely expensive for me
vital oriole
oops that's the price for 4090
unique relic
its from a different seller I think
4090 isnt in stock in the sellers which ship abroad
unique relic
yeah strix is the best one then
strix or the omen? theres like a 400 usd difference between them
vital oriole
Strix
unique relic
ok
vital oriole
The omen is more expensive isn't it?
unique relic
I think I'll buy the strix but I'll think some some
unique relic
yeah us has really good laptop prices for sure
ok I think yeah the strix is my best choice
vital oriole
if it weren't for qhd requirement the gigabyte would've been the best bang for buck
but yeah
unique relic
I know that I'm paying a bit of a premium for qhd but as I said I want to use this device for a long time without issues
vital oriole
i understand that
unique relic
ok thanks a lot I'll think between the strix and omen, I'll probably buy the strix but not sure as of rn
vital oriole
Just Intel being Intel, haha
unique relic
yeah and the brightness with strix display is rly good
I will prob use it with a monitor at home but for outside usage its good
lone pond
I know that I'm paying a bit of a premium for qhd but as I said I want to use th...
just buy a qhd monitor
unique relic
just buy a qhd monitor
I already have a qhd monitor
odd siren
BIG WARNING BELLS, DON'T UPDATE TO 23.7.2, AVOID THIS DRIVER FOR RADEON RX 7000 & 700M SERIES. SKIP TO 23.8.1.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adrenalin-23-7-2-marks-return-bad-amd-drivers
odd siren
danke
livid idol
Yeah I have noticed an increase in the number of people complaining about AMD driver issues. Guess it's not just me that noticed.
odd siren
yeah
23.7.1 is the last still good driver
I hope AMD rolls it back
having your gpu changed to a different slower one is...a new one for me
oak rivet
Nvidia foundry found another reason to hone in on amd more
fading glacier
just when you want to recommend amd for its price this happens....
heady turtle
just when you want to recommend amd for its price this happens....
its one driver tho its not like its extremely easy to revert
fading glacier
you and me both know that, but this kinda of news kinda hurt for the average buyer
one driver is all it takes to destroy the reputation with the "amd always bad drivers issues"
btw, whats with the cursed pfp felix? @odd siren
its kinda... cringe xD
hasty sphinx
one driver is all it takes to destroy the reputation with the "amd always bad dr...
I completely agree with this. It just solidifies my opinion on AMD having crappy drivers. While I know it's just 1 driver (for now), it really makes me question my thoughts on grabbing an AMD GPU.
keen nacelle
I completely agree with this. It just solidifies my opinion on AMD having crappy...
nvidia has had plenty of driver issues though
it is not just AMD and ignoring the issues nvidia has doesn't make AMD worse
fading glacier
Everyone was doing anime pfp's so I joined in
damn i missed the fun
hasty sphinx
it is not just AMD and ignoring the issues nvidia has doesn't make AMD worse
I get this, but the type of issues I've experienced/seen with AMD seem to outweigh any issues I've ever had with Nvidia.
keen nacelle
thats definitely understandable, and for you the answer might be nvidia
hasty sphinx
I'm not shilling Nvidia by any means. I know that AMD GPUs are solid.
keen nacelle
ive had more issues on nvidia than I had when I had a 6800xt tho
hasty sphinx
I think the issues between the 2 are different in a way that when a user does have them, it depends if it's a make or break type of issue for that person.
keen nacelle
recently my shadowplay keeps turning itself off no matter what I try to fix it or no matter how many times I turn it back on. definitely much more minor than AMDs most recent issues but very obnoxious
my friend can't run 2 displays from their 1650 even though it very easily should be able to, both 1080p and both work separately
was fine using igpu though from their 3400g
fading glacier
maybe i worded it wrong, i meant that with news like this is harder to recommend amd cause always someone else will say "yeah but amd drivers are terrrible"
hasty sphinx
Same.
odd siren
I think it's fair to respect both sides of the coin tbh as long as you can really say with confidence you made the effort
In this case yes to both
I too hate the stigma about it. A lot of people drag that up with no 1st hand experience so to me it just sounds like shilling
hasty sphinx
I too hate the stigma about it. A lot of people drag that up with no 1st hand ex...
Yeah, makes sense.
odd siren
You ask them what they have "oh I have a 3070 with no issues for 2 years" or "I love my 4070 Ti, it's been perfect"
"2080 Ti"
"1080 Ti"
Etc etc
Gonna be annoying filtering the comments again about drivers
odd siren
hasty sphinx
I hate you for that.
odd siren
Do you really? Lol
hasty sphinx
I still love you though
odd siren
Kek
odd siren
I hate you for that.
I just don't trust myself with that kind of power or impression tbh
There's another reason tho but I think where I am now is good
livid idol
"power" lol
We just neutered the mod powers anyway, there's a lot less we can do now. Like no more "accidentally" dragging the anime channel to the top of the list...
oak rivet
ok testing the driver on a rx 480 everything seems tiptop
might be a rdna3 thing like usual
odd siren
We just had someone in here on rdna1 earlier complaining
I don't think it's gen specific at all
hasty sphinx
"power" lol
We just neutered the mod powers anyway, there's a lot less we can do...
Thank god
Not that I can see that channel anyways
fading glacier
wait... why i cant see the anime channel? i want the anime channel
oh, i see it now... dismiss my tantrum
vital oriole
crisis averted
fringe scroll
"power" lol
We just neutered the mod powers anyway, there's a lot less we can do...
NOOO
vivid arch
Anyone team red? Need to ask a question lol
lone pond
Anyone team red? Need to ask a question lol
Zen 2 and 3 + RDNA 2 owner, can't help with RDNA 3 stuff tho
at least as far as personal experience goes
vivid arch
Zen 2 and 3 + RDNA 2 owner, can't help with RDNA 3 stuff tho
What about rdna 1?
lone pond
no personal experience, but I've chatted with a few owners. depends on how deep the info you need is ig
vivid arch
Nothing to deep g
Uh
Got an issue of games almost kinda black screening and freezing my pc almost like my gpu stops until i have to restart my pc, and its only worh certain games (mwllc watch dogs legion) havent really tried other games, but its never done it with mw2 before, ive tried to(with someones help on this disc) ddu my gpu to roll back to the latest update, but the same thing happens
lone pond
Got an issue of games almost kinda black screening and freezing my pc almost lik...
are you using the most recent radeon driver release? it has some issues from what I've seen. I'm not totally sure if that extends all the way down the stack or if it was mostly for the new stuff tho
vivid arch
I was on 24.7.1 then thought updating would help, but didnt, then rolled back from that to 22.5.1 i think?
lone pond
you're not doing any overclocking, right?
vivid arch
as far as im aware, no
lone pond
hmm, not sure then
vivid arch
this is a gpu that i did buy second hand from a coworker i worked with, but he mentioned no overclocking
and really, no issues when he had it
heady turtle
Got an issue of games almost kinda black screening and freezing my pc almost lik...
If you're on the latest amd gpu driver, revert it
There's been a few issues with it
And when you install the old ones, make sure you tick the factory install box or something along those lines
Also make sure it's not overheating, and no harm reinstalling drivers with the factory install anyway could just be bad driver install
vivid arch
And when you install the old ones, make sure you tick the factory install box or...
when i try to ddu my drivers and install the old ones, doesn't give me the option to factory reset, the box is there, but can't tick it
heady turtle
That's odd, maybe try not DDUing first? I've never heard of the box not allowing itself to be ticked 
vivid arch
That's odd, maybe try not DDUing first? I've never heard of the box not allowing...
did that too, before trying the whole DDU thing lol
vivid arch
hm, would be the logical thing to do lol
fading glacier
Anyone team red? Need to ask a question lol
plz dont use the "team red" analogy, just say amd
also dont use ddu for amd cards, the amd uninstaller is way better... ddu is on the other hand way better to clean nvidia drivers instead
and as pato said, as a security measure just revert to old drivers cause some issues on the current driver
random thunder
also dont use ddu for amd cards, the amd uninstaller is way better... ddu is on ...
intresting
sleek kelp
Should I get a 4070ti or 4080 upgrading from a 3070ti
heady turtle
Should I get a 4070ti or 4080 upgrading from a 3070ti
Neither, 7900xtx unless you basically only play ray tracing or need CUDA, 4070ti and 4080 are horribly priced
sleek kelp
Neither, 7900xtx unless you basically only play ray tracing or need CUDA, 4070ti...
I just like Nvidia more
heady turtle
I just like Nvidia more
There's no real reason to, you'd be spending ~200 more for a 4080 and get a worse gpu outside of ray tracing
sleek kelp
So should I get a 4070 ti or 4080 upgrading from a 3070ti
keen nacelle
What power supply do you have, what cpu do you have and what resolution do you play at
heady turtle
That's up to you and how much you wanna spend and how much performance you want
keen nacelle
@sleek kelp
sleek kelp
I have the Ryzen 9 5900x and 850w 32gb 3600mhz and planning to get 4k soon
keen nacelle
What model 850w
heady turtle
For 4k get a 4080 then
keen nacelle
Model is very important when it comes to psu
But in terms of gpu, this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vCfnTW/zotac-gaming-trinity-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40810j-10p
Just lmk what model psu, because depending on what it is you might need to replace it
heady turtle
Assuming you're in the states this*
sleek kelp
What model 850w
Corsair 850e gold
keen nacelle
Yeah you're good
A 4090 would be fine on that
I would like to say though, I agree with pato on 7900xtx
But it's up to you
sleek kelp
Ya I thought about going amd but I enjoy Nvidia filters and their other stuff to much to switch over
heady turtle
Ya I thought about going amd but I enjoy Nvidia filters and their other stuff to...
Filters? Nvidia broadcast?
heady turtle
I mean that's a microphone filter?
Do you mean dlss? Because amd has an alternative, fsr 2
odd siren
AMD has a big suite of this stuff too
Objectively speaking if that's your only concern you're paying $300 for familiarity
sleek kelp
I mean that's a microphone filter?
No the actual Nvidia game filters
heady turtle
No the actual Nvidia game filters
I have no idea what you're talking about tbh
sleek kelp
Ok I am getting the 4080
hot folio
Can’t see in the dark, must buy
heady turtle
Just color filters
Lol what
heady turtle
random walrus
Just color filters
Maybe slightly more advanced but not much
Reshade would do more, unless the game doesn't allow it
fringe scroll
<@852241324886720583>
WHAT
fringe scroll
Download TF2
No
random walrus
vital oriole
I have no idea what you're talking about tbh
im 7 hours late but, they're talking about nvidia's filters on screenshots, yes, screenshots
very important feature amirite?
there's nothing special about it
it's literally just a simple editor for screenshots
random walrus
it's literally just a simple editor for screenshots
They have ones that filter the game in realtime too
Not just screenshots
fading glacier
its not
he just want an nvidia card cause he likes nvidia, he didnt had to bring any "feature" to make its point, is his money after all
vital oriole
Fair enough
random walrus
I still don't get why it's a buying point at all
really isnt
fading glacier
cuda is the only buying point but not every gamer use that feature to make it a worthy point. Aside from that amd is closing pretty fast on all the other features that nvidia cards have
vital oriole
im still a bit sad i couldn't get lappy with radeon 7600s
dlss 3 is cool and all but most games just has ghosting issues
it's disgusting lol
personal experience cuz i instead had to end up with 4050
oak rivet
They have ones that filter the game in realtime too
Ansel has a performance penalty but I can see why someone would really want it
random walrus
It's something reshade could do lel
Reshade does it better afaik
Ok maybe not?
Oh I'm thinking 'nvidia freestyle'
Ansel is different I think
livid idol
Who can keep up with all of nvidia's side projects anyway
The only one I care about right now is RTX Remix
It's been getting pretty decent, much more compatible
random walrus
All the videos I see for Ansel are like 6 years old
oak rivet
Yeah feature wise Nvidia is the one moving the gaming industry forward
wicked hound
The only one I care about right now is RTX Remix
Should also care about RTX research. From my understanding Nvidia is going absolutely ham on RTX research based on my ~30mins of watching Two Minute Papers.
And I guess that's considered side projects?
livid idol
All they're really doing with RT is taking an existing technology and improving it incrementally over many years. They're almost to the point where things look really good, soon they'll be optimizing the performance.
That sum it up?
oak rivet
Fsr 3 still was supposed to come first quarter this year no word yet 💀
The fire is just not there in the gpu division
wicked hound
Reshade does it better afaik
Reshade is prolly more work then whatever built in Nvidia features. I also dont know, but do online games get pissy with Reshade?
oak rivet
Also no comment on blocking dlss still
livid idol
Yeah Intel Battlemage was also supposed to be out by the end of this year too
random walrus
Some do, I've used it in BF4 with no problems though
livid idol
AMD aren't the only ones lol
oak rivet
Yeah Intel Battlemage was also supposed to be out by the end of this year too
I don't think there was any official comment about that
livid idol
Really? It was on their roadmap 2 years ago for it to be out Q4 this year
Now they're saying Q4 next year
wicked hound
That sum it up?
Well they are optimizing efficiency, Most of Nvidia's demos are operating in realtime, so they kinda are "optimizing the performance" already.
As for improving upon tech, idk. I didnt dive deep enough to know how much is new tech vs optimized tech (software tech).
livid idol
Path traced rays have been around for many years
All they did was accelerate it with hardware
wicked hound
I mean software "tech", how one does that in an optimized way
livid idol
That was the question asked by the RTX 20 series. And it failed to answer imo.
It took, what, 9 months for the first real RTX title to launch after the 20 series?
After they teased it in the announcement?
wicked hound
iirc 3 months for first game, idk months for first good game (Metro Exodus and Control)
oak rivet
Rt has showed the ugly nature of ssr in games
livid idol
August 14, 2018 Nvidia teased RTX tech with the 2080
Metro Exodus was the first to have real-time, hardware accelerated ray tracing, launched February 14, 2019
oak rivet
The target should be 60fps with all the rt doesn't matter what drop-off it is in performance because without it tends to look worse period
livid idol
6 months, it splits the difference
(BFV was technically the first but it was purely for reflections, not real-time)
livid idol
It's too heavily culled to call it real time
And even with all that culling the 2080 ti could barely do 60 fps
oak rivet
we kinda went from gpus being too weak for rt to now cpus being too weak
7800x3d eats through it all tho
livid idol
If you use the 4090 as a baseline yeah
7800X3D is so good AMD risks eating into their own next gen sales
Time will tell
vital oriole
8000 series ryzens, non-3d skus better be as fast as that thing or amd will risk cannibalizing themselves
oak rivet
7700 at under 300 is pretty good for a new platform entry
livid idol
I wouldn't be too concerned, supposedly it's about 25% more perf lol
vital oriole
if that's true then it's not a concern then
livid idol
But the X3D will get dangerously close still
oak rivet
1440p will be kinda useless then imo because the 7800x3d already seems to extract everything out of the 4090 at 1440p
livid idol
Then you have Intel... poor, poor multibillion dollar Intel... with their maybe 10% improvement over their already losing chips.
"Oh just put more e-cores no one will notice"
oak rivet
how do you lose this badly lol
it gets worse for the 13900k even more power and still loses in performance
livid idol
Oh yeah no Intel gave up on efficiency completely
That's why they have designated cores for that
Instead of, idk, improving their boost tables according to load?
Gotta show that they have the same thread count as AMD though ig
Which wouldn't be possible with only p cores
oak rivet
if e cores werent a thing the public image would be 16 core 7950x vs 8 core 13900k lol
livid idol
More like 12c/24t 13900k which is NOT what they wanted.
So they crammed 4 tiny cores into the space of 1 large one
oak rivet
sad
livid idol
RIP MTL desktop
vital oriole
this lack of efficiency hurts laptops a lot too lol
oak rivet
the current sockets will have raptor lake refresh which has to face zen5 on am5
livid idol
They're going straight to ARL for "15th" whatever they call it
vital oriole
intel's slipping into the weaker role again
oak rivet
and zen5 should beat the crap out of raptor lake refresh
livid idol
Intel doesn't care tbh, they're playing the long game. ARL is looking good, no joke.
vital oriole
that's true
intel still has something to do
which is well the oems
dell, hp and such
the pattern im seeing is that intel laptops gets more discounts in comparison to amd powered ones
making you have to decide between compromising
livid idol
Probably partly because Intel laptops have worse battery life, which matters a lot to people that use laptops
oak rivet
Intel doesn't care tbh, they're playing the long game. ARL is looking good, no j...
losing good chunk of marketshare and no profit margin in the meantime tho
vital oriole
yeah
livid idol
losing good chunk of marketshare and no profit margin in the meantime tho
They can afford it
vital oriole
the battery life factor is huge
so the oems try to convince buyers into intel through crazy discounts
oak rivet
if only amd could gather this mindshare with radeon
random walrus
Laptops in general can see big discounts when they're trying to move old models
livid idol
4090 shut any chance of that down
vital oriole
nah
i see new releases with intel chips dump price so quickly
like within a month of release lol
random walrus
Not necessarily gaming laptops but the more basic ones like Dells Inspiron line
random walrus
like within a month of release lol
Ok yeah that's pretty fast
vital oriole
it's definitely not normal
one time a $900 msrp laptop can fall to 600-700
nearly 50% within first month
only seems to happen with intel powered ones
amd powered models still has discounts but less extreme
heady turtle
I would not recommend getting that cpu unless it's like under 20$/€ tbh
And you're on a really tight budget
livid idol
It sounds to me like they already have the 1500X and are looking for a basic GPU to go with it
fading glacier
also dont say 2k, its 1440p 😛 no one in the tech world use the 2k term
livid idol
Cheapest thing that'll do the trick
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CxVmP6/pny-geforce-gtx-1650-g6-4-gb-video-card-vcg16504d6dfppb
Best value as of now, compares to a RTX 3060 in a lot of titles
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMRYcf/intel-limited-edition-arc-a750-8-gb-video-card-99am3d
You can look at the used market too ofc, probably find a 1650 for cheaper on ebay or local sites
heady turtle
It sounds to me like they already have the 1500X and are looking for a basic GPU...
Well there where asking if d3 and d4 are compatible so i don't think they do
heady turtle
also dont say 2k, its 1440p 😛 no one in the tech world use the 2k term
That's because 2k is technically 1080p because you use the horizontal measurements not the vertical, 1920 being closest to 2k, if anything 1440p is 2.5k
fading glacier
thats why 4k is 4k xD gotcha
random walrus
or 2160p
hasty sphinx
# BIG WARNING BELLS, DON'T UPDATE TO 23.7.2, AVOID THIS DRIVER FOR RADEON RX 700...
@raven wharf
raven wharf
<@486271010161819648>
i love amd
peak rock
RX 6700 or RX 7600
odd siren
At the same price 7600
peak rock
6700 is 10 dollars more
odd siren
Then 7600 imo
peak rock
ok
odd siren
7600 has more performance but less vram
Ah
Well if you're playing 1440p it'll matter
But 1080p 7600 still
You get nicer things like av1
And longer support
odd siren
Yeah 7600 I think would be nicer
peak rock
ok
odd siren
lone pond
But 7600 has better features
like what? RDNA 3 doesn't really offer anything new feature wise over RDNA 2 aside from AV1, which has dubious value for the average user
I'd take a 6700 over a 7600 if the gap is $10. performance is pretty much the same with the 6700 barely taking the lead, but you get a bit more memory
easy choice imo
livid idol
RDNA 3 has better ray tracing but that doesn't really matter at that performance tier
oak rivet
if you really want you can watch df rt settings try to have a console like rt experience with 7600
oak rivet
I'd take a 6700 over a 7600 if the gap is $10. performance is pretty much the sa...
this
its like saying good bye to extra vram for no reason
not extra but necessary vram now lmao
odd siren
like what? RDNA 3 doesn't really offer anything new feature wise over RDNA 2 asi...
Idk you tell me. Anything productivity related is either a straight match or complete obliteration from RDNA 3 over 2 which I would frankly call a feature over basically unusable
The numbers are pretty strong when you compare the architectures side by side
That and you get a competent codec with no horsing around support like the b frame nonsense and obs
DP 2.1 uhbr13.5 so you can run over 1080p 360hz if you have a niche for that sort of thing
And you get 2 years more support for drivers
You get to choose between this, or 2gb more vram when it's hardly needed
For $10 more on said vram
To me the best buy 3060 Ti for $280 would make more sense here
Which is a shame because frankly that sale has come and long gone
I'd frankly enjoy having the option to have a diverse choice of usage rather than something purely gaming focused for the same price. It's the same case as arguing nvidia and amd in last gen. At the same price/fps nvidia almost always made more sense
random walrus
AV1 is pretty sweet
random walrus
not extra but necessary vram now lmao
I don't think 10vs 12gb really matters for that performance level of card
vital oriole
me with 6gb vram:
oak rivet
I could have a 970 4gb vram rn that doesn't negate any of the flaws 8gb has rn
oak rivet
Yeah if you want stagnant visuals then ig it's their fault 💀
In 2077 having to still optimized to serve those 8gb copers
💀
vital oriole
ok 4090 guy
odd siren
Let's keep beating the dead horse when the vast majority of gamers have 6gb cards by statistic lmao
Very few 8, and 8+ is barely even on the map
#1 is a 4gb card, like, I get that staying ahead of the curve is good but also, a good 30%+ here of gamers are on hardware that doesn't even have 8gb
30%+* of people that are essentially softlocked from a dev studios intentions to force people to upgrade for poor optimisation and famously in TLOU2, PS2 graphics that were worse than a console emulator
I'm not really gonna dabble on this topic anymore after this, it's been a back and forth for months now and everyone is set in stone with their side of the argument, but frankly the writing is on the wall that devs like iron galaxy are shooting themselves in the foot if they think that you need a minimum 10gb of vram to enjoy sub-par graphics fidelity. It's laughable
It's like people who think 1080p is truly dead when it handily sits itself in with over 60% of people still running it
odd siren
You can still happily enjoy current AAA games on 6GB as long as the dev studio makes the game properly
Again, I'm all for staying ahead of the curve, always have been
But even 8gb is ahead of the curve
Gonna be like that for a few years at that
oak rivet
You do realize a 1060 is 1 card... Right? If it's the most popular card, doesn't mean the majority of users have it... That's not how numbers work. There's literally 10s of millions of PC gamers with PCs similar to if not better than a PS5. Probably just as many PS5s sold. Lol
odd siren
Fully aware, you do realise I'm talking about far more than just a 1060 in that chart, right?
oak rivet
At this point just get a ps5 if 8gb 4060ti appears to be normal
vital oriole
no one is saying progress should be stifled, but that optimization in games has stopped being.. well, good
no one also said gpus should remain the same
the thing is having to upgrade every damn generstion is silly for 99% of the world
beating a dead horse sure is a fun activity
oak rivet
You actually said the reason why vram is important 💀
Have enough soo they can skip generations lol
vital oriole
and that shows devs need to stop being lazy, or game companies stop firing people lol
feel free to beat that dead horse
oak rivet
OK you also keep beating the magic bullet word "optimizations "
vital oriole
it's not magic, it's reality
oak rivet
It's not reality to feel entitled devs have to create better and better visuals within 8gb
vital oriole
whatever, it'll just continue being brought up later
oak rivet
I'd take a 6700 over a 7600 if the gap is $10. performance is pretty much the sa...
Bought up here
Continues own yourself soo hard lol 😆
lone pond
Continues own yourself soo hard lol 😆
?
native cliff
Do you guys ever think a nvidia gpu that’s better than a 5700xt will ever go under $200 USD?
oak rivet
Do you guys ever think a nvidia gpu that’s better than a 5700xt will ever go und...
you mean new msrp?
native cliff
you mean new msrp?
Yeah
oak rivet
very unlikely then in the near future
odd siren
Do you guys ever think a nvidia gpu that’s better than a 5700xt will ever go und...
Nothing really comes close to the 5700XT for second hand value rn under 200
native cliff
Dang
keen nacelle
Do you guys ever think a nvidia gpu that’s better than a 5700xt will ever go und...
It's a bit worse, but 2070 @$160 in tech deals
Nvm oos
native cliff
Maybe I should rethink AI Upscaling until I can get a budget for a more extreme gpu and pc
So I’m trying out a 30min video to upscale to 1080p and it takes approx 34 days (I have no idea if that’s exact) and I’d assume a nvidia near my 5700xt might take as long too
odd siren
Oh if you want video encode, you could nab a cheap intel arc or used arc card @native cliff
Idk about ai upscaling but I imagine it's somewhat competent
Like an a380 or A750
fading glacier
dang i missed all the fun
odd siren
Like an a380 or A750
Speaking of which, @native cliff
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BJJPCPY2
$220
vocal current
How do you flash a gpu to a new bios.
odd siren
Which gpu
vocal current
Is it complicated?
I have a rx 5500xt that crashes. Tried everything under the sun to get it to work. Wanted to test different bios to see if maybe that did something
vocal current
Is there specific sites to go too for downloads. Anytime I look it up I just find forums of people talking about doing it
livid idol
With AMD cards you need to boot into DOS to run the tool to flash. If you think you can do that much then it's easy.
Here's the tool for it. The Windows version is mostly able to read the vbios to make a backup and adjust some parameters. You need to use the DOS version to flash successfully. https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ati-atiflash/
silent cradle
# BIG WARNING BELLS, DON'T UPDATE TO 23.7.2, AVOID THIS DRIVER FOR RADEON RX 700...
and these guys better fix the issue i have with my gpu
how it practically turns itself off while being plugged in, being hidden from task manager but seen in device.
wicked hound
Let's keep beating the dead horse when the vast majority of gamers have 6gb card...
Consoles also have a very heavy influence on desired VRAM usage.
That said, wondering what will happen is kinda iffy. Quick look makes it seem like Nvidia has stagnated Ampere/Ada VRAM increases compared to what we use to get (ex: XX70 got 2x VRAM every 2/3 [cant remember now] gens). However the counterpoint is that Xbox One released in 2013 with 8GB RAM, prolly looking at 4GB - 5GB usable VRAM (I could be decently off here, idk old stuff as much), and GTX 970 (4GB) released in 2014. So consoles had about the same raster perf with also more usable VRAM, just like now (RTX 4065i 8GB vs Xbox X)
nocturne bough
hey i got a question i am thinking of upgrading my graphics cards i was thinking of getting rx 580 8gb 2 of them and bridgeing them to make them run like a 16 gig will it be better then a Radeon RX 6650 XT 8gb by it self i am curios is all
btw i kinda posted in another caht didnt see this earlier.
livid idol
hey i got a question i am thinking of upgrading my graphics cards i was thinking...
It doesn't work like that, the data in each GPU is identical so it's still only 8GB usable
wicked hound
hey i got a question i am thinking of upgrading my graphics cards i was thinking...
TLDR: Multi GPU for games is dead. 6650XT easily beats dual 580.
Long answer: Couple different ways to achieve Multi GPU configurations; SLI (Nvidia), NVLink (Nvidia), Crossfire (AMD), and just software (works for Nvidia/AMD, but is developed by the devs of the program in question). AMD has officially killed driver support for Crossfire, so now you're limited to only official software support and unofficial Crossfire support (as in, it can work but no one at AMD works on it to make sure Crossfire still works. Any new driver update with a crossfire breaking bug will not be fixed for the sole purpose of trying to make Crossfire work again). Software multi GPU for games is DX12 only, and literally only a few games out of the hundreds of DX12 games support mGPU. So you have literally a handful of officially supported mGPU games, that have probably been killed due to being old. Even if you can get Crossfire working driver wise, you still need to find games officially supporting it. Which is more then the amount of DX12 mGPU games, but still very few when talking % wise. The next issue to worry about after finally finding a working mGPU game, is making sure it has a good mGPU implantation. Very few games have good mGPU implantations, significantly increased micro stutters and bad scaling (ex: two GPUs only gives 50% more perf instead of 100%). Lastly, DX12 mGPU is the only mGPU implantation that doesnt mirror VRAM data between GPUs, meaning it is the only implantation where two 8GB GPUs gives 16GB of VRAM instead of just 8GB.
livid idol
Something tells me you feel strongly about this
wicked hound
I want mGPU to be alive again. Checkerboard rendering works well for dealing with micro stutters and VRAM usage. But mGPU is dead for games cuz it's hard on game devs and Nvidia/AMD dont want consumers going by the rule "The more you buy, the more you save" (ALso thanks Jensen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDpDesU_0zo).
Sucks cuz I wish I could buy 100 RT 4030s
livid idol
I still want to triple SLI 1030s so I can have a 3090 again
odd siren
Consoles also have a *very* heavy influence on desired VRAM usage.
That said, w...
Absolutely. You are absolutely right about this and it plays a big role in the scenario 100%
oak rivet
Consoles also have a *very* heavy influence on desired VRAM usage.
That said, w...
Nvidia stagnated nothing
8gb is good and always will be
livid idol
Who are you and what have you done with safi
I would have expected an argument there, like "PCs aren't consoles and you can run the settings higher" or something
oak rivet
Well at ultra the settings and everything do go higher then console settings
But the fact a 4060ti 8gb is 400 and can not outperform a ps5 due to vram is just sad
Also everyone and their grandma suddenly needs av1
Totally worth sacrificing 2gigs for
oak rivet
Atleast for cpus there is no stagnation and even a 200$ cpu is destroying the crap out of consoles
livid idol
Also everyone and their grandma suddenly needs av1
But I need to be able to stream youtube in 4k on a 5mb connection!!!
random walrus
Atleast for cpus there is no stagnation and even a 200$ cpu is destroying the c...
Because games are (*for the past few years at least) not increasingly CPU heavy
Also "4060ti cannot outperform a PS5" sounds like either cherry picked games or disregarding that consoles don't render at full resolution
oak rivet
Ps5 does above 1080p a lot of the time with good textures and no muddy ones like the 4060ti 8gb has
Hwub clearly showing how degraded halo infinite looks on 4060ti 8gb after 30mins but tress just look fine on the 4060ti 16gb
Tiktok generation can't see anything beyond a bar graph of one sec lol
Extreme levels of digust for 8gb cards after seeing that
lone pond
Let's keep beating the dead horse when the vast majority of gamers have 6gb card...
steam hardware survey is fairly heavily influenced by gaming cafes which tend to run 1060's and such on 1080p displays. I find the argument of "x percentage of people has y hardware, therefore no more vram usage" to be extremely silly. how many people had 960 2GB cards during Ampere? what about 4GB ones? even on the latter model where vram is less of an issue I'd bet that a lot of the AAA games released during that cycle ran pretty poorly on a 960, yet at the time that card was a three gen old 60 class card. here we are again, now with 1060s and 1650s. sure you can probably run upcoming titles if you drop settings a ton, but it's not exactly ideal. the industry marches forward to match the consoles, that's just how the dev cycle works whether you have a 2GB card or a 24GB one
vital oriole
then how about 1650?
1650 laptops are everywhere
ah okay you made your point, still out of touch
lone pond
out of touch to expect two gen old 50 class cards to not be the greatest anymore?
okay lol
odd siren
I love how this horse just keeps getting beaten to death when some 10% of all pc gamers use cards 12gb or more
vital oriole
suddenly a gpu with 1080 perf but 6 gigs vram is invalid?
3060m/4050m are these cards that falls into such category
odd siren
I'm not really gonna dabble on this topic anymore after this, it's been a back a...
I reiterate
And I'm.just not gonna be convinced to support an ideology that encaptures only 10% of the pc gaming market
vital oriole
same lol
odd siren
Much like you two (Safi and Pill) can't be convinced that 8gb or less is feasible
oak rivet
Yeah not at ultra and downgraded visuals
vital oriole
we still like innovation and stuff but catering to just 10% of the whole audience is like shooting themselves in the foot
oak rivet
Idk how hard that is to concept
lone pond
Much like you two (Safi and Pill) can't be convinced that 8gb or less is feasibl...
don't put words in my mouth. you will in all likelihood be able to run every current gen game on an 8GB card. but there will be compromises you'll need to make that you wouldn't on an equivalent performance part with more memory
vital oriole
i mean, if your definition of "degraded" is my ability to max out death stranding while not even breaking 4 gigs mark
then i dunno what to say
other than you've fallen for the trap
and that's still a pretty good looking game
odd siren
It's funny tho, 60 class cards were for the longest time never considered able to run anything feasibly in ultra settings tho
This is the difference
oak rivet
Death stranding is such a bad example lol it is very much last gen in looks to something new
odd siren
Idk how hard that is to concept
There are lofty expectations that you must be able to run everything at ultra which is plain wrong
You don't buy a 60 class card to enjoy the beat of the best, it's an entry class card
vital oriole
and settings lower than ultra being trash shows the lack of care lol
vital oriole
i just hate how anything less than ultra is considered crap now
odd siren
Alls said and done again, beaten horse to death
lone pond
I'm pretty happy on ultra with my 3060m <:kekw:741678350791081994>
aye, I was as well. doesn't mean that my 3060 12GB desktop card didn't have fewer compromises on more recent titles
odd siren
aye, I was as well. doesn't mean that my 3060 12GB desktop card didn't have fewe...
But see I think that's fine tho
oak rivet
4060ti 16gb also has shown exactly what needs to be said there is no point further I am done too
odd siren
It's a 60 class card not an 80
vital oriole
4060ti 16gb is such a meme with its pricing
i would've considered it if it were 400
but nooo, 500
oak rivet
It was meant to be in terms of how flawed 4060ti is not a buying advice
Ofc is the 6800xt better buy
oak rivet
6800xt is also just stronger
lone pond
But see I think that's fine tho
oh absolutely. you make compromises to suit your hardware. my only gripe is when the hardware you have doesn't suit the price, and therefore the compromises aren't what you'd wish for on a given tier of performance. 3070 for instance. BF2042 used >8GB of vram on my 3070 ti and caused the most annoying microstutters. I was able to lower some stuff to make it work, but it was mainly things that barely affect performance but only eat memory. I'd like those settings to be on, because better visuals for practically 0 performance hit is a pretty nice thing to have imo, especially on a $500 3070 (or $600 3070 ti in my case, but tbh nobody should buy that anyway)
oak rivet
But the claims 4060ti is supposedly not powerful enough for anything more then 8gb?
Well 4060ti 16gb shuts that down
lone pond
should have been 192 bit with 12GB imo. 4070/ti 256 bit 16GB
odd siren
But the claims 4060ti is supposedly not powerful enough for anything more then 8...
It's a glorified 3060ti as it is
lone pond
indeed
odd siren
oh absolutely. you make compromises to suit your hardware. my only gripe is when...
I can see this happening. I don't recommend 3070's anymore for anything 1440p
oak rivet
If u bring buying advice in to it I would expect a bit more then 8gb for 400 no?
odd siren
It's a 1080p card
A glorified horrible price 1080p card
3060 ti's last month went for 280$
Me saying 300 is reasonable
And fwiw I never recommend a 4060ti
It's just disgusting
oak rivet
It's more disgusting then 4060ti 16gb
odd siren
It's not
oak rivet
Which is more disgusting then 6800xt
odd siren
16gb for 100$ more is horrible
Those ram chips are worth 20$ at most
Neither sku should exist
lone pond
I can see this happening. I don't recommend 3070's anymore for anything 1440p
and now 4060 ti's are $400 and offer very similar performance. for that money it definitely should be a 1440p card. yet in a lot of titles those "free visual fidelity" settings are going to cause issues, be they microstutters as I experienced, muddy textures, texture pop-in, etc.
I'm not saying that every card needs 24GB of vram, but that the vram capacity should match the price and performance of the card its on. which imo is simply not the case for most of Nvidia's Ada lineup, and to a lesser extent wasn't with Ampere either
oak rivet
If those are two only options if history repeats like 580 4gb vs 8gb it will go a long way
vital oriole
still doesn't justify paying for more vram compared to a vastly faster gpu at same price
lone pond
Those ram chips are worth 20$ at most
clamshell mode is a little expensive, but definitely not $80 expensive lol
odd siren
and now 4060 ti's are $400 and offer very similar performance. for that money it...
And I agree and most people do. I'm just not in the camp of recommending a 10% minority idea when the other 90% isn't even close
Let the market start trending first, 8gb cards are fine
lone pond
still doesn't justify paying for more vram compared to a vastly faster gpu at sa...
I never said it did. I would however pay the same amount for slightly less performance and more memory in many cases
odd siren
(it's literally 10% btw I ran the numbers)
lone pond
based on steam?
odd siren
Yep
lone pond
if so it's a flawed metric
odd siren
Not really
lone pond
although I do agree that the vast majority of people have less than 12GB or whatever
lone pond
Not really
it is, but okay. internet cafes and weirdness with the polling system make its validity tenuous at best
odd siren
Not really anything as concise as that survey so even at a skew you are still looking at 80%+ of the market on less than 12
lone pond
for sure
odd siren
That's a vast majority
lone pond
and so that segment of the market will compromise where the higher end segment won't
oak rivet
Well ig all can agree an 8gb card at 400 is kinda horrible
lone pond
Devs should just do a better job to work with the hardware
oof, that argument is so silly. you make it work on low end hardware, bur you target the console equivalent stuff for the midrange
which is definitely not an 8GB card
there is only so much "optimizing" you can do when you're trying to fit console textures into a less than console vram capacity
just turn on DLSS/FSR and call it a day
odd siren
oof, that argument is so silly. you make it work on low end hardware, bur you ta...
If the market isn't ready for it, as I said before, devs like iron galaxy shoot themselves in the foot with something like 70% of the market simply cannot run the game
lone pond
they can run it tho, but with compromises
oak rivet
there is only so much "optimizing" you can do when you're trying to fit console ...
This is what I mean 4060ti is much stronger then a ps5 but if it had to display ps5 like textures it would just struggle coz of the vram which is just sad
odd siren
they can run it tho, but with compromises
And after complaints from the community
I had a discussion about this with an android dev yesterday, that enlightened me to a similar context. Google gives manus the OS, and it's down to said manus to do a good job or not
lone pond
I'm sorry, but complaints don't affect the viability of their hardware
odd siren
I'm sorry, but complaints don't affect the viability of their hardware
It tells devs they did a 💩 job of making a game that only runs on <20% of pc's
lone pond
current games run on a variety of low end hardware, although perhaps not at terrific settings
hence the compromises that need to be made for those with inferior hardware to the consoles
odd siren
I had a discussion about this with an android dev yesterday, that enlightened me...
You end up with a market full of crap OS' and really good OS'. But even in the instances where phones have more vram it does nothing to fix a crap OS
odd siren
Anyway I've entertained this way over what I said I would
lone pond
compromises like 720p?
compromises like low textures
odd siren
Like I said we're all set in stone in our beliefs on this
Time to just let it go
Agree to disagree
oak rivet
3060 owners will be smooth sailing through this console generation
vital oriole
on an unrelated note
lone pond
Like I said we're all set in stone in our beliefs on this
the difference is that I'm right 
lone pond
3060 owners will be smooth sailing through this console generation
eh I disagree
oak rivet
That gpu seems to have no issues lol
vital oriole
mp33 pro 512 for $21, worth?
odd siren
mp33 pro 512 for $21, worth?
Yes
vital oriole
I'm really itching to get it
lone pond
eh I disagree
enough vram for 1080p or whatever, but a good but lower performance than consoles. it'll be a fine card as it already is, but compromises will be made
vital oriole
There's also a 1tb $30 drive
odd siren
There's also a 1tb $30 drive
Better
oak rivet
It keeps up with the 6700 non xt fairly well ?
vital oriole
But it's like crap nand with early nvme speeds
oak rivet
Which is the closest desktop ps5 equivalent we have
vital oriole
ah wait
lone pond
It keeps up with the 6700 non xt fairly well ?
6700 is around a 3060 ti, not a 3060
vital oriole
the 1tb version has decent speeds
2500 read 2100 write
the 128gb version is only 900
lone pond
6700 xt would be a nice 1080p sort of 1440p card for this console generation I feel. 3060 less so
6800 owners are just going to stay winning tbh
oak rivet
Soo there is no Nvidia card below the 4060ti 16gb which will easily keep up with ps5 ?
odd siren
Wth is that ssd
vital oriole
been making ssds since a couple years
lone pond
Soo there is no Nvidia card below the 4060ti 16gb which will easily keep up with...
honestly, not really. at least not without compromises that shouldn't need to be made considering the 6700 xt, 6800, etc. exist
vital oriole
reliable enough with speeds that aren't a lie
odd siren
If you can find the pcb details like tlc controller etc, you could make a guess
vital oriole
ye lemme dig deeper in a bit
oak rivet
honestly, not really. at least not without compromises that shouldn't need to be...
Yeah then it's extremely sad
vital oriole
they do have another sub brand tho
hiksemi, makes more expensive, higher end drives
pricing basically like solidigm
odd siren
I'd still verify the drive first
lone pond
Yeah then it's extremely sad
I agree lol. Ampere was great value at MSRP (lel) which made the vram stuff less noticeable since the value was great. Ada has neither good value nor enough memory, so the gen is sort of DOA imho
oak rivet
I have heard some say they will phase out the 4060ti and drop like 150 from the 4060ti 16gb
odd siren
I have heard some say they will phase out the 4060ti and drop like 150 from the ...
That would make it finally somewhat worth it
oak rivet
On my hopium and copium 🤞
lone pond
I have heard some say they will phase out the 4060ti and drop like 150 from the ...
$350 for 4060 ti 16GB is what it always should have ben and would be a pretty neat card imo
odd siren
I'd still prefer it at 300-320
lone pond
fair
odd siren
Just simply because of the 3060ti
But yeah as it stands, most of all 40 series has just been generally bad
Great cards, bad value
vital oriole
its other name is hikvision e1000
exact same specs
controller idk yet, lookin for reviews lol
odd siren
Need to send pics of the pcb
If the product page is anything to go by then it looks like a phison controller
odd siren
Yep you're right
vital oriole
intel nand
odd siren
It's an mp33
vital oriole
okay so it's just mp33?
vital oriole
we found gold then lol
odd siren
Hopefully it has good power usage like the mp33 tho
vital oriole
mp33 but cheap here
boutta have 1.5tb of storage at this rate
keep the micron 2400 as boot ofc
well now im nervous about taking my tuf apart
don't wanna break any clips
huh in some reviews the ssd is shown to use phison
granted that review with phison is old
toxic sluice
How do you know if a gpu is used or not? I am trying to buy open box gpu on ebay, is this reliable?
oak rivet
to see if there is any dust is my go to away
and check the stickers on screws and see if any of em was penetrated
toxic sluice
I see, thank you. Do you have any experience with buying gpus on ebay?
if I somehow bought a false claimed one, Do ebay often accept the returns?
lone pond
it's fine. ebay money back guarantee is OP
lone pond
if I somehow bought a false claimed one, Do ebay often accept the returns?
if the item isn't as described you'll get your money back almost guaranteed
toxic sluice
Ok, glad to hear. Thanks for answering.
odd siren
They haven't announced a price
It's being predicted in the 500-550 range by a fair few people tho, I'm in the same camp tbh
keen nacelle
$500 would be fine, as long as it actually beats the 4070, which I don't see why it wouldn't
Considering the 6800xt beats the 4070 in a lot of scenarios
keen nacelle
Imo it has to match 6900xt atleast, considering 6800xt was very often $500
And still isn't much more
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XPjNnQ/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6800xt-pgd-16go
odd siren
Considering the current trends of the market? I'm holding my breath tbh 💀
I'm expecting AMD to drop the ball on this one
keen nacelle
Or if it's 6800xt perf for $450 it would atleast be something
Probably, but I'm hoping they don't pull a 4060 ti
odd siren
I'd take that
heady turtle
Omg yeah just realised if it launches at 500 Nvidia will scramble with the 4060ti especially the 16gb
keen nacelle
4060 ti 3060 ti 16gb being $20 less than a 6800xt right now is hilarious
Same amount of vram, $20 difference, for a what, 40-50% performance difference?
odd siren
keen nacelle
And there aren't even any 4060 ti 16gb for under $500 so that argument isn't a thing
Or still much better gpu for $450 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qHfFf7/powercolor-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-fighter-oc-video-card-axrx-6800-16gbd6-3dhoc
heady turtle
Same amount of vram, $20 difference, for a what, 40-50% performance difference?
bUt rAy tRaCiNg and fRaMe gEn
keen nacelle
bUt rAy tRaCiNg and fRaMe gEn
War pig would argue in favor of the 4060 ti lmao
wicked hound
Nvidia better cuz Hairworks. That's why I have 100 RT 5030s.
velvet grail
Is a used Vega 56 sapphire nitro (3 fans) worth it for 100€?
lone pond
if it's less than a 1660 ti/1070 then sure I guess. but HBM cards are a little sus this long after they released
velvet grail
Is a used Vega 56 sapphire nitro (3 fans) worth it for 100€?
Does anyone know what vram model this ships with? Is it Samsung, hynix or something else?
If Samsung then it's a jackpot cuz I could flash a Vega 64 bios and match a 1080 for such low price
velvet grail
(or if anyone has already flashed a Vega 64 bios on this specific card)
burnt parcel
War pig would argue in favor of the 4060 ti lmao
timid vine
time to power a 4090 with 8 of these suckers https://www.elmorlabs.com/product/elmorlabs-upp-usb-powered-pcie-adapter/
fringe scroll
Why tf does this exist
wicked hound
eGPU prolly
velvet grail
If I had to choose between these two 6750xt's which one should I get?
-xfx speedster
-giagbyte gaming oc
They're both around €400 new and I'm thinking about selling my 2080 before it becomes "too old" and I have to sell it for a very low price
timid vine
it exists because its the madman elmor
(I think its for his ln2 gpu heaters that run on pcie power)
fading glacier
If I had to choose between these two 6750xt's which one should I get?
-xfx spee...
the cheapest
both are good, not great but not terrible either
you can also weight in your decision which one is the prettiest to you, aesthethics play a role to some users on their pcs
fringe scroll
(I think its for his ln2 gpu heaters that run on pcie power)
Okay, yeah, Idk why I didn't think of that
tardy tartan
yeaah uhhh can i ask whats the most bang for your buck nvidia gpu for like $400 rn?
livid idol
$435 3080 10GB, open box, 2yr warranty https://www.ebay.com/itm/385898807669
odd siren
^^^that
tardy tartan
noice. thanks!
velvet grail
Is a used 6900xt for 500€ worth it?
blissful current
Looking for an upgrade on my gpu. Current system is
Ryzen 3600- planning to get 5800x3d
3060ti gigabyte gaming Oc 8gb
32 gb ddr4 3600 ram.
I like to use 1440p. Games like Conan exiles, Hogwarts, Baldurs gate 3, Assasins creed, some racing games. What cards should I consider with $5-600 budget?
vital oriole
6950xt is doable
livid idol
Looking for an upgrade on my gpu. Current system is
Ryzen 3600- planning to get...
If you need it new, 6800 XT. Normally I'd say 6950 XT but they seem to be almost sold out, which means we'll be seeing AMDs next cards in that performance tier soon.
If you don't mind open box (sold by the manufacturer, with full warranty) then there's this 3080 https://www.ebay.com/itm/385898807669
blissful current
it's likely 6950xt perf tier'z new place
I was looking into 7800xt but seen any updates on it yet.
livid idol
There's only 2 6950 models left on pcpp that aren't Amazon scalpers and they're both over $600
vital oriole
it should be coming pretty soon
given there's already full spec leaks
well, the 6950xt frenzy is ending
livid idol
They've been sitting in a warehouse for a while now
vital oriole
just waiting for the right moment for 7800xt to come
which is when 6950xt dries out
blissful current
Makes sense then. Thank you Foxy and FalCie for the recommendations
livid idol
Seeing as you do enjoy hogwarts that 3080 wouldn't be a bad option because it'll ray trace well
vital oriole
7800xt is either going to be 500-600 bucks once it comes out
livid idol
AMD is expected to reveal the official details at Gamescom, which is this month, the 23rd-27th
blissful current
I'll also need to upgrade my 600 watt Power supply. What wattage do I need to safely run a 7800xt, 7900xt/xtx type card?