graphics-cards

[heady turtle]

Soon ™️

[fringe scroll]

ITS ALWAYS SOON

I WANT 7800XT

[livid idol]

6950 stock is running low so 7800 XT has to be soon, or else AMD is just leaving a big hole in the market where they could be making money

Same with the 6800 stock

[hot comet]

Inb4 they fill gap with igpu

[livid idol]

That's the goal for low end but can't be done for high end

[keen nacelle]

glues 6800xt to 7600

[hot comet]

I really want an rx580 level igpu

I feel like that's the point where igpu can be a Shou replacement during upgrades

[finite oak]

Gpus still decent prices in best buys? They were around 400 for 3070 a couple months ago?

[hot comet]

Isn't 6800xt around that price though

[finite oak]

No clue

I pretty much have no idea on anything for amd gpu

I have always went with n and been happy with it

1060 6gb asus white still strong in my pc rn

[livid idol]

You can currently get a 3070 for $400 https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3070-dual-rtx3070-o8g-v2/p/N82E16814126531
And that does lose to the 6800 XT but that's currently $500 https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049

[hot comet]

Any tips for unigine scores

Cause they seem to fluctuate alot

Meant heaven

Sorry

Any tips for heaven scores

[odd siren]

They exist, 680m/780m is basically this

[hot comet]

Cause I used to run it for basically just testing and clock chasing but not for benching

[livid idol]

Have a separate Windows 7 OS install, stripped down so there's no background tasks

[hot comet]

Can't get windows 7 any more ;-;

So my main bench drive is stuck on 10

[livid idol]

Yes you can. Just don't activate it.

You don't need a license

[hot comet]

I don't have a media creation tool for it

[livid idol]

Use Rufus and an ISO

I have one I can send you

[hot comet]

I might buy a creation USB online soon

[livid idol]

Or I can give a link to one of dozens of copies of the ISO on the internet archive

[hot comet]

That works too lol

If you're willing to id appreciate it

[livid idol]

This should be an original copy of a windows 7 sp1 x64 install disk https://archive.org/download/win-7-pro-32-64-iso/64-bit/GSP1RMCPRXFRER_EN_DVD.ISO

[hot comet]

Thx

[livid idol]

Use this to create the bootable USB https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/releases/download/v4.1/rufus-4.1.exe

[hot comet]

Gonna need to buy a new drive but I'll make a win 7 nvme for benching next

[livid idol]

Or repartition your drive and make a new 20GB partition to install 7 onto

It doesn't need a lot of space, unlike 10 or 11

[hot comet]

I'll check how much space I have left but if I have enough I'll do that

Thanks again though

[finite oak]

3060 12gb or 3070? Only choices

[hot folio]

3070

[finite oak]

K

I looked at User benchmark and yea clear winner is 3070

[livid idol]

Ew

?ubm

[neat venture]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[livid idol]

It's not wrong in this case but fair warning that site is REALLY bad

Don't let some people here convince you that more memory is better either. It's only in certain games that you'll run out of VRAM.

[finite oak]

K

Thanks

[hot bough]

lmao, my GT210 came with a DVD to install windows.

[torpid garden]

I really like UBM for comparing OEM ssd's off ebay or for having your non computer-nerd friend run to show you their specs/drivers/bios etc, I should edit the bot script to add those caveats.

[fringe scroll]

For sure

[torpid garden]

Like if your friend if having some random problem with their gaming rig - you can ask them to run ubm and you'll see their windows/bios/gpu driver, if ram is xmp/jdec etc with one click

It's a great first troubleshooting step

Can even diagnose thermal throttling based on the ratio of single/multi-thread cpu performance

[hot bough]

What GPU benches do you guys recommend for stabillity testing besides timespy cause that's rather buggy towards me sometimes.

[fringe scroll]

Great example forks

[fringe scroll]

I mean people still use heaven thats a bit old now tho

I typically just run the games I frequently play

[hot bough]

that's what I've mostly been doing.

[fringe scroll]

For an extended period of time

Theres prob better options tho

Thats just what I do

[hot bough]

Since Modern Warfare 2 Warzone 2.0 is the most GPU sensitive game I have more so than Halo Infinite surprisingly so I've been using that.

[wicked hound]

Superposition 8k (Memory)
First Atomic Heart Demo (Core)
Apex (Core)
Genshin (Core)

OCCT (Core/Memory)

[livid idol]

Pick a GPU intensive game and play it. Not kidding. You'll know in about 30 minutes to an hour if it's stable.

[hot bough]

gotcha.

My test has been load up Plunder in MW2 and run it for 2 rounds.

If it passes two rounds I up core by another 5 or 10.

[livid idol]

Core goes up in steps of 15

[hot bough]

Is it because of how the gpu handles calculator or?

[livid idol]

At least nvidia does

That's how the boost table works

[hot bough]

Oh.

I had no idea.

I've been upping it 5-10 at a time.

[odd siren]

[hot bough]

what about memory?

What does it go up by?

[odd siren]

2

But that answer has several interpretations

[hot bough]

So even numbers no odd numbers?

[fringe scroll]

Bozo 1070ti

[odd siren]

Yesn't

[heady turtle]

https://youtu.be/-wGd6Dsm_lo

[hasty sphinx]

12gb isn't enough!

[hot folio]

…it is

[hasty sphinx]

...Oh I forgot to /s

[solid glacier]

has anyone tried this driver yet? or the one that came out for diabloe 6/1/2023

[unreal elm]

should i vertical mount my gpu or just get an anti sag stand

gpu is the rog strix 4090 if needed

[hot bough]

Anti-sag stand would be cheaper though vertical usually looks nicer.

So it comes down to if you wanna do vertical for looks or go cheaper and use a sag stand.

[odd siren]

Either or, both work

[unreal elm]

alright thanks didn’t know if there was any major benefits/drawbacks between the two besides looks

[livid idol]

Make sure you've got enough room for the GPU to breathe against the side panel if you go vertical mount, but if you've got at least a couple inches clearance there's effectively no difference

[unreal elm]

is the lian li o11 dynamic going to have enough clearance, i would measure but i dont have the gpu yet. I may just buy a vertical mount test it out and return it if not enough clearance

[livid idol]

Depends on the GPU more than the case

And which version of O11D you got

There's like 5 different models you can buy of O11 right now

[odd siren]

If it's the basic o11d then it only fits vertical

[unreal elm]

its the basic o11d and after looking at pics online it doesnt look like there is a lot of clearance between the side panel and the gpu when vertically mounted

i have 3 bottom fans for intake, 3 on top for out and two 140s on the side for intake so I think it should compensate

[odd siren]

Most don't fit horizontal

If not all

The boards are too wide on the cards

[unreal elm]

yeah i forgot how big this card was, since it was just an upgrade i did not plan out if it would fit at all but looking online it looks like temps are good vertically mounted if the airflow is solid

[hot bough]

How does a 4060 ti to perform compared to a 3070?

[odd siren]

Horribly

It performs almost 1 to 1 with a 3060 Ti

[hot bough]

Ooof.

[heady turtle]

Which is why the 8gb model is embarrassing but the 16gb model is a freaking joke

[normal hawk]

Unless you need cuda cores. Just get a 6700xt/6750xt.

[odd siren]

Hell even a 3060 Ti is just better in every way including price

4060 Ti is a card for no one

[jade glacier]

The only thing 4060 ti has realistically going for it is dlss 3.0 which is basically nothing

[oak rivet]

4060ti 16gb definitely will be interesting

[hot folio]

Doubt it

[oak rivet]

Would have to look more into gameplay footage and how the stuff looks compared to vanilla 4060ti with that one

[hot folio]

I really doubt extra vram alone will make a big difference

[oak rivet]

Would have been great if the 4060ti 16gb had a 50$ cutoff at 450$

[heady turtle]

Who's using over 12gb on a card of that tier it's just a worse in every way but rt card

[oak rivet]

Went overboard with 16

Just needed anything more then 8

[heady turtle]

6700xt chough cough

[hot folio]

Never used over 8Gb on my 6700xt when I had it

[heady turtle]

Exactly

[oak rivet]

Emphasis on when I had it

[hot folio]

…that barely changes anything

[heady turtle]

I've never be able to use 8gb on my 3060ti without getting to a stage I'd be core bottlenecked

[fringe scroll]

What res?

Cause it usually eats up more than that at 1440p

I mean it will use what it has

[oak rivet]

It will just blur the image

If blured image is good then OK ig

[hot folio]

1440p

[fringe scroll]

Oh?

Idk man

[oak rivet]

look its fine in valorant

must be fine for everyone

[fringe scroll]

🗿

[hot folio]

When was valorant mentioned?

[fringe scroll]

We all know you only play cs and destiny

[hot folio]

🤨

[livid idol]

https://youtu.be/wb5tlHJHVBs

https://tenor.com/view/riguelzito-gif-21220368

Surprise, retention clips on cards with massive coolers might crack because of stress on the slot and clip

[fringe scroll]

Jay moment

[wicked hound]

I mean, seems pretty isolated to GB. Either they got whack wieght distrubution compared to other vendors or their PCBs are weaker. Im leaning towards latter cuz former seems harder to accomplish.

But still, it's about time we stop trying to break PCBs with heavy af cards.

[heady turtle]

True

[analog ermine]

Whats the difference between a 3060 ti and 3070

[heady turtle]

3070 is about 10% better

[analog ermine]

In performance overall?

[sonic mural]

Yea

[heady turtle]

Ye

[analog ermine]

what do you think about an i5 12400F with rtx 3070

bc im thinking about getting a prebuilt on nzxt

[heady turtle]

Unless it's a used 3070, it's a meh choice

[analog ermine]

its brand new

[heady turtle]

Oh eh what's the price

[analog ermine]

the prebuilt?

[heady turtle]

Ye

[analog ermine]

$1,199.00

USD

[heady turtle]

Hmm lemme see how that compares

[analog ermine]

bc i dont want to build a pc

so i was thinking prebuilts were the move

[heady turtle]

This is a much better deal
https://www.newegg.com/account/referral/8PGQKR?v=pdp-_-USA-_-3D5-000Z-000X2-_--_-US230515-_-0-_-3D5-000Z-000X2-_-skytech-st-arch4-0558-w-ne&n=cd74b53525ba9a9d2aafcc348d57ff99

Just off a quick look

Yeah after looking at best buy too that's the best deal atm

[analog ermine]

Im more on the intel side tbh

[heady turtle]

5600x =12400f in performance

There's no reason to favour either

[analog ermine]

Ill look into it thanks

[heady turtle]

Np

[still geyser]

vga light on mobo should i be worried

[civic lance]

It seems to be isolated to Gigabyte cards based on conversations and videos elsewhere.

[vital oriole]

Does the pc work fine?

[odd siren]

Been known for a while, it's good to use anti-sag on 30 series

[livid idol]

Yeah but this is a manufacturing defect from gigabyte in combination with the sag, probably. Plus gigabyte denying the warranty is just scummy.

[odd siren]

Gigabyte always denies warranties

[vital oriole]

It's their specialty

Deny rma's

Skill issue

[livid idol]

Sure but blanket denying warranty at the slightest hint of PCB damage, even if that damage is caused by a defect, that's the scummy part.

[odd siren]

Ya but this isn't new behaviour

[livid idol]

Right, and this isn't a new problem either. It's just getting more attention.

[odd siren]

Ya

That's basically where I'm getting at

[livid idol]

BZ seems to think it's shipping damage

[oak rivet]

Sadge

Probably was looking at the master 4090 👀

[odd siren]

Thx youtube lmao

[odd siren]

It'll never be a problem if you vert mount or sag support it

Which tbh on a 1.8K card you should protect your investment to some extent

Doesn't really deserve a precedent

[livid idol]

It's the huge cards in general but Gigabyte across the spectrum seems to have a weaker/more flexible PCB

[odd siren]

The master is also one of the lighter cards

Big card, not very dense

[hot bough]

What company does the best job at handling warranties from Nvidia's list of partners?

[oak rivet]

Evga did

[wicked hound]

Whatever one Gamers Nexus has contacts with.

[keen nacelle]

Asus now I believe, if not pny I think

[hot bough]

So Asus, and PNY gotcha.

[supple grove]

3080 for $400 is something that I haven't seen before https://www.ebay.com/itm/285297046163?

It's how much I bought my 3070 for

[odd siren]

That's kinda nice

[livid idol]

Used 3080 for $400 is what it SHOULD be going for considering you can get a new 6800 XT for $500

[odd siren]

Yeah, and it won't even be a bad model

[supple grove]

But in blender the 3080 destroys the 6800xt, so it depends on the work

[livid idol]

No one mentioned blender, we usually focus on games here unless otherwise stated

You can pick and choose "this is better at X Y and Z" all day

[supple grove]

I do know that, as I help people with pc builds all the time in another server, but there are very few things that nvidia is better at nowadays

[odd siren]

Blender is just one of those ultra specific workloads nowadays at that

[supple grove]

And it just so happens to be one of the top free 3d modeling softwares

[odd siren]

Of course

It's a big point

But still very specific

[livid idol]

And how many people are 3D modeling compared to gamers on this server?

[odd siren]

It's not unusable on AMD just slower

[vital oriole]

Unless you use blender to make a living out of

AMD is still better value

[odd siren]

But that's no discount to the value anyway, 400 is good

Very good

400 is competitive to anything new from amd and then some

[supple grove]

I feel that plenty of people try blender at least once

[supple grove]

It's 6800xt performance iirc

[livid idol]

Blender is only maybe 30-60 minutes longer for a large render on AMD, so unless that's your business and every minute counts that really doesn't matter

[supple grove]

30-60 minutes is enough for me to not want to do blender

I don't have that much time on my computer each day, so every hour counts

[livid idol]

... That's on a render that took nvidia 6 hours to do

[supple grove]

Fair enough

[odd siren]

Once upon a time it was, in gaming the 6800xt is faster nowadays

But you still have nvidia features that the radeon card doesn't

[supple grove]

driver updates I'm guessing

[livid idol]

Especially with games needing more vram cropping up

[odd siren]

Yeah

[odd siren]

Not so much this

[oak rivet]

10gb is on the safer side imo

[supple grove]

Yeah

[livid idol]

It's a lesser degree but still the current trend

[supple grove]

10 gigs off vram is more than enough for most people, especially since most people are just playing valorant, apex, overwatch, league, ect

And at 1080p at that

[oak rivet]

are they buying 3080s for that

[odd siren]

Yeah, not a big concern yet

[supple grove]

Trust me, they are

It's a big flex

[oak rivet]

6800xt will give more fps in cpu limited scenarios

[supple grove]

I've met some people with 2070 supers playing minecraft

[oak rivet]

🤷‍♂️

[odd siren]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-crunching-gif-12718539

Fps

[supple grove]

That makes no sense

I can get 2k fps with the right settings in minecraft with my 3070

[livid idol]

Ooh look my GPU is so powerful I only use 50% of it's power playing this game
Weird flex

[odd siren]

It's driver overhead, amd runs better in lower res

[supple grove]

more like 30% without shaders

[odd siren]

They both bottleneck but one bottlenecks less

[supple grove]

Alright

[odd siren]

Intel is the one that truly makes no sense

It gets faster the higher the res regardless

[livid idol]

Either way you're CPU limited at 1080p most of the time

[supple grove]

Unless you can get the a770 for $100 it's a bad deal imo, or if you need av1

[supple grove]

People say that but in my testing it's not true

[odd siren]

Yeah we don't recommend Arc much here

[oak rivet]

AAA titles certainly is not

[supple grove]

Nothing is being used to the max in any scenario unless you have extreme shaders, then in that case it's gpu limited

[fringe scroll]

100? Wtf are you on

[livid idol]

It's just wasteful to get a 3080 for such a low utilization game, we're anti waste here

[fringe scroll]

Isnt that gpu 3060 performance

[fringe scroll]

Meanwhile

🗿

I need my 3080 for csgo man

[livid idol]

Probably doesn't even need to spin the fans in game lol

[fringe scroll]

Lmaoo

My 1070ti that I'm using rn basically does nothing 😭

[brave sequoia]

Not sure why but Squad keeps crashing giving me "Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0xffffffffffffffff" Can anyone gimme a hand?

[oak rivet]

if you pair with a 13900k and get like 900fps it probably has to work a bit

[fringe scroll]

🗿

[odd siren]

Buy ut

Get that hp 3080

You dingus

[oak rivet]

i will be seeing how close i can get to 13900k perf with 7600

[fringe scroll]

I can just imagine how you're pronouncing that h

How would I spell that

[odd siren]

HAYCH PEE

[fringe scroll]

YEAH

HAYCH

[odd siren]

[fringe scroll]

😭

[livid idol]

What CPU, GPU and RAM?
That's often a game issue but sometimes hardware can cause it

[brave sequoia]

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10850K CPU @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.9 GB usable)
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
With 3070 ti

[livid idol]

Ok so I'd start with a DDU then

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[brave sequoia]

Ok thank you

[silent plinth]

Reference AMD 6800, COD MW 2, UQHD 1440p, Ultra setting = 14GB VRAM usage. Thank goodness for that VRAM.

[oak rivet]

Dedicated usage is lower then that

But yeah having more doesn't hurt but that doesn't get through some thick skulls

[vital oriole]

average ultra gaming

[keen nacelle]

Me running every game I've thrown at my 3060 ti at ultra or high 120fps+ 1080p

Same with 1440p with dlss on on the demanding games I play

[vital oriole]

must hab all the wam

[still geyser]

Seems to work fine and has been for past few weeks

[vital oriole]

It's nothing then

[north geode]

does anyone know how to check if a GPU is compatible with my motherboard (im still new to pc building so sorry if this is common knowledge)

[keen nacelle]

Pretty much every gpu is compatible with every mobo

[north geode]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-rtx-4060-ti-ventus-2x-black-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137799?Item=N82E16814137799

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119543?Item=N82E16813119543
are these 2 compatiable with eachother???

just wanna make sure

[keen nacelle]

Yes but please don't buy either of those

The 4060 ti is the same performance as the 3060 ti, and that motherboard is super overpriced

[keen nacelle]

Are you making an entirely new build?

[north geode]

no im upgrading

this is the graphics card im on rn https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3050-rtx-3050-ventus-2x-8g-oc/p/N82E16814137708?Item=N82E16814137708

[keen nacelle]

What's your power supply?

[north geode]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-750-g5-220-g5-0750-x1-750w/p/N82E16817438162?Item=N82E16817438162

[keen nacelle]

Budget for new gpu?

[north geode]

like

uhhhh

500 max

i mean if its compatiable its compatiable

i just need a performance boost atp

[keen nacelle]

$10 over if you're fine with that, 3080-3090 performance depending on game not including rtx https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R4tKHx/powercolor-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-red-dragon-oc-video-card-axrx-6800xt-16gbd6-3dhroc

Otherwise, cheapest 3060 ti, 6700xt, 6750xt, 3070, or 6800

[north geode]

is the 4060ti i linked compatiable with my mother board tho

[keen nacelle]

Yes, the 4060 ti just isn't worth it, it's the same exact performance as the 3060 ti

It just costs more

[north geode]

ah ok

[keen nacelle]

If you're considering that just get a 3060 ti for $330

[north geode]

alright

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9m3gXL/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-gaming-twin-edge-oc-video-card-zt-a30610h-10mlhr

[north geode]

thank you for the help

[keen nacelle]

Np

[coral yew]

should i go with a overclocked radeon 6800XT or non-overclocked only difference other than that is the overclocked one is a bit larger, $20 cheaper, and has a 3rd 8pin connector whereas the other has 2

the non-overclocked one doesnt specify core clock and the other one specifies 1875 core and then both have 2310MHz for boost

[vital oriole]

Doesn't really make a difference in perf

[coral yew]

alright

[vital oriole]

They're pretty much the same if anything

[coral yew]

alright

[livid idol]

The overclocked ones don't have anything special you couldn't do in 5 minutes

So whichever is cheaper

[coral yew]

alright

ill do the OC one then since for some reason thats the cheaper one

it claims it has RGB lighting too for a single fan which confuses me

[livid idol]

The third 8 pin connector alone would be a good reason to get the OC model if you plan on pushing it

[coral yew]

i probably wont last time i messed with that stuff i caused a blue screen lmao

and i had to reset windows to get the PC to even boot to windows again

that was a horrible process

[keen nacelle]

Gpu ocing?

[coral yew]

yeah

[oak rivet]

Sounds like a apply on startup moment

[distant adder]

has anyone tried asrock's 6700xt? everybody says its coil whine is horrible. I've never had this with my 1060 so I looked it up to see how bad it is and honestly from the videos i've seen its pretty bad for me, like so bad I can't stand it

Heard undervolting or fps limit works but I think thats so stupid. why do I have to limit my gpu to get rid of the noise

idk how much undervolting affect gpu's performance, does it affect it alot?

[vital oriole]

Coil whine is dependent on your luck with the card, and limiting fps to eliminate coil whine has a very valid reason to it. If the gpu works extra hard, there's more chance for it to start whining. Try to limit it to your monitor's refresh, going anymore than the refresh of the monitor doesn't add anything anyway

As for undervolting, the perf hit is from none to small as you're finding lowest stable voltage while keeping your clocks as high or almost as high as stock

Sometimes 10% perf loss if you're really cutting it

[distant adder]

So does it only happen with very high fps (200+)? if so then that isnt even a problem lol I wont be playing at that high fps
Im only concerned if it will happen when im hitting smth like ~80 fps, now thats a problem

[vital oriole]

Depends on games, but it usually only happens at extremely high fps figures

[distant adder]

thats reassuring, thanks

[hot folio]

Anyone know what the best AIB for OC is for 4080 or 4090?

That’s easily acquirable

Or 7900XTX

[rustic pulsar]

HOF or strix (white)

MSI liquid X also has a really good VRM

[hot folio]

Strix white and black are different?

Also what about for 7900XTX?

[heady turtle]

the cheapest

xtx : https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCBG3C/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-pg-24go
4080: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ppytt6/pny-xlr8-gaming-verto-epic-x-rgb-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-vcg408016tfxxpb1-o

[hot folio]

Do all AIBs have the same power limits now?

[heady turtle]

Basically anyway can always bios flash and aib power limits on amd are a meme so

[wicked hound]

Unless you plan to buy an EVC2SE or EVC2, wont matter for 4090 and 4080 will also require a shunt mod.

[heady turtle]

Also 40 series doesn't scale very well with power

[fringe scroll]

Oh no...

[hot folio]

What about AMD?

[wicked hound]

Also I just realized that EVC2SE exists and EVC2 is discontinued. Wonder how long that has happened.

[hot folio]

Also I need the card to have a water block available for it

[wicked hound]

Also adding onto this, lot of perf gain will be from memory OC rather then core OC, cuz GPU boost does a pretty decent job and VL/PL for core arent far off from safe limits.

So it's basically silicon lottery for mem OC

[hot folio]

Opinions on this? https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Liquid-Devil-Radeon-Graphics/dp/B0BWNZCT4V/ref=asc_df_B0BWNZCT4V/?l

[fringe scroll]

So your card is completely shot

[heady turtle]

the cheapest, amd power limits are literally a click away from unlocking completely#

[fringe scroll]

I thought it was different on 7000 series

[heady turtle]

afaik no?

[fringe scroll]

like mpt doesnt work

[heady turtle]

if anything amd are supposedly increasing compatibility with that kinda stuff

think that was just at the start

[fringe scroll]

oh

idk

[heady turtle]

@odd siren has one so maybe he can weigh in

on 7000 series unlocking PL

[wicked hound]

You can do it, but it requires a lot of effort from you as nobody wants to support doing it due to security issues. So you have to do all the work yourself and end up with a less secure card (which tbf, who knows if it really matters. Idk how much is just fear mongering and how much is a legitimate concern).

[hot folio]

Pretty sure so

[fringe scroll]

ill diagnose it LOL

[heady turtle]

whats wrong with it?

[hot folio]

No display whatsoever after putting on this water block

[heady turtle]

Have you tried loosening the water block a bit?

[hot folio]

Yep I tried

I even tried the air cooler on it again and still nothing

[odd siren]

You can't use MPT, only hard mods

[hot folio]

Really? Damn

[odd siren]

It's simple to hard mod and runs well though if you do it

[odd siren]

Also doubt. I'm willing to bet if you tried that card on it's normal cooler it'll work again

Unless you really screwed up the block somehow like dug a screw into the traces

[heady turtle]

Okay well lets just say I'd hold out hope soon

[odd siren]

AMD have claimed they'll make software for it to my knowledge, but it's doubtful RBRT will make a new MPT

I've spoken to a couple of them and progress made has been like, 0 since I last looked 😂

[heady turtle]

Probably not but yeah there should be a way to do it easily soon let's say

[odd siren]

Evcs2se modding is the easy way rn

[lone pond]

I'm trying to clean my GPU fan for the first time and idk how to get it out

[hot folio]

Tried it

[lone pond]

I could video call if someone wants to help me out that way too

[odd siren]

You drained the loop and swapped everything back?

[hot folio]

Yep I did

Well didn’t swap it back

Tried it in my dad’s PC

[odd siren]

Interesting

It's somehow dead

Have you checked the pcb?

[hot folio]

Yeah, it’s fine

[odd siren]

Die is fine? No immediate cracks?

A weird solution to this might be the oven

[hot folio]

I’m going to start just checking the PCB with a scope

[odd siren]

@torpid garden what's the temp for pcb in an oven to see if it works again

[torpid garden]

lol

[odd siren]

Tell me that's not a meme 😭

[hot folio]

I have a reflow oven, it’ll be like 300 or so C

Maybe 250ish

[torpid garden]

You're going to destroy the card

What card is this?

[hot folio]

6950XT

[odd siren]

Ocf

[hot folio]

It’s already dead

[odd siren]

It's just, kaput after a waterblock

[torpid garden]

You probably chipped the die

[hot folio]

Checked the die already, it’s fine

[odd siren]

What's asrock's policy on warranty

I wonder if they cover this

[hot folio]

Waterblock voids it

[odd siren]

Heh, fun

[hot folio]

If you take off the stock cooler, warranty voided

[odd siren]

If you're referring to the sticker that all manus put on, not an immediate void

[torpid garden]

no

[hot folio]

I emailed them about it

[odd siren]

Ah

Ok so you've been very busy today

[hot folio]

I spent all day basically trying to figure something out

[odd siren]

If you can't visibly see anything I still hold doubts unless something cracked under the die

[hot folio]

Why is that every time I do something with my PC and am going so slow to not screw something up, something screws up

[odd siren]

Was the pcb bending at all under the cooler?

[hot folio]

Nope

[odd siren]

Found any similar stories online?

Notably with, this is a bykski cooler right?

[hot folio]

Yep

[odd siren]

Hmm lemme do some quick looking too

@hot folio does the ocf have any power connector lights

[hot folio]

Nope

[fringe scroll]

WHY THE HELL WOULD U TELL THEM BRUH

[hot folio]

Only light on is the VGA light on my mobo

[odd siren]

Some companies do honor it

Waterblocking isn't necessarily one and done

[torpid garden]

Does the core get hot

[odd siren]

^^^ good thinking

[torpid garden]

Boot it with your finger on the core

If so - dead core/something else bork. If not, there's hope and you broke something in the vrm maybe

The above applies to most gpus

[hot folio]

That’s actually a good idea

If I screwed something up in the vrm I can actually fix it

[odd siren]

Things only a veteran would know

Pog

[hot folio]

I just realized this card doesn’t have PCie lights

[odd siren]

Some do some don't. They can be helpful

But using a second system is a bit telling

[hot folio]

Die looks fine

Bit ugly on the edges but oh well

[odd siren]

Is that a mix of two pastes

[hot folio]

The grey is the stock paste

That’s just residue left from when I first took the card apart

[odd siren]

Is there a lot?

Long shot but maybe the pastes mixed with a bad outcome

[hot folio]

Nope, not really

[odd siren]

Modern pastes are usually non-conductive tho

Hmmm

Keep checking for any scratches

Oh

@hot folio did you see a paste print when you took the gpu block off?

You covered the whole die ye?

Whole coverage doesn't matter, but some contact would for at least confirming display

Whole coverage would only matter after that

[hot folio]

Yeah whole die was covered

[odd siren]

You could confirm contact with the block ye?

My guess is yes because there's paste everywhere

[wicked hound]

Make a fuss, contact Gamers Nexus/LTT/idk. They wont enforce it much after that.

Or if you live in US/other very slightly R2R countries, say they legally cant enforce heck

[hot folio]

I don’t have time to send the card out to warranty anyways, I need this pc done asap to get back to work

I know it ain’t the best idea to not warranty it but I have clients already waiting 2 weeks to get stuff done

[wicked hound]

Buy a cheap backup GPU. Should ideally have backup stuff anyways IMO.
Or look for a return friendly retailer and buy from their while waiting for RMA.

[hot folio]

I guess that’s always an option

Because cheapest gpu I can work with is maybe a 6800xt or so

[wicked hound]

Need VRAM I guess? If so how fun is it to use shared VRAM (System Memory)? Might be pain but if it gets the job done then it gets the job done ig.

[hot folio]

I’m just going to pick up a 4080 or something this week and just call it a day honestly

[odd siren]

Did you try Forks suggestion?

[hot folio]

Yeah, was cold

[odd siren]

So it still works then

Or at least, not broken to the point of agony

There's hope

Lol

[hot folio]

Wait a minute, could it be it doesn’t want to work if the fan headers aren’t plugged in?

[odd siren]

Uhhh, possible?

Most cards don't care tho

[hot folio]

Ahh ok

[odd siren]

You could try

It's a lead on an answer possibly

[wicked hound]

Check to see if any repair channels like NorthBridgeFix have done repairs on it to find easy probe points.

[hot folio]

Issa test bench time

Rip this spare PSU only has 2 PCie connectors

Guess the card is just dead at this point

What’s the chance of a PCie slot being dead?

[pine folio]

dang

[torpid garden]

A tiny chip on a corner/edge is all it takes.

[torpid garden]

Only takes a $5 gpu to test that

[pine folio]

thats true

[hot folio]

Good news and bad news

PCie slot is dead, not the gpu

Just tried an old artifacting 2070 super and still had no display on it

It’s artifacting but still had an output without fail

[torpid garden]

For future testing https://www.ebay.com/itm/185887685867

You can find cheaper if you want to save $7

[hot folio]

…I think I figured out where I screwed up

I slightly took a tiny bit of solder mask off of a trace when I was installing the back shield of the mobo and only thought it was the solder mask

Guess it was the whole trace

Now do I want to fix it myself, or do I want to deal with gigabyte’s warranty

Actually, vertical mount time

What’s the chance of my other two PCie slots being dead?

I’m going to kick myself in the ass rn, I remember telling MC that I don’t need the warranty, it’s a motherboard. What can go wrong?

[torpid garden]

Do you have a microscope, bodge wire, uv solder mask etc?

[hot folio]

Yeah I do

[torpid garden]

Because an RMA center will almost certainly reject that board and you'll waste the time/money of shipping

[hot folio]

If it’s covered up by the back shielding and they don’t see the trace, will they still reject it?

I’m guessing yes?

[torpid garden]

Just include a note saying not to look there

[hot folio]

Lolll

[lone pond]

Are there any 6700 XT or 6800 GPU's with an AIO that anyone knows of?

Purely just out of curiosity, I doubt there is

[vital oriole]

None tbh

Doesn't make sense to make one

[lone pond]

Yeah, kinda why I doubted there was one

I really can't justify any sort of AIO I guess

[forest oasis]

if must, get a custom waterblock for it, but would be overkill

[livid idol]

Could always DIY a bracket and slap any old AIO on

But you'd get cheaper, similar results just de-shrouding and putting a couple T30 fans on it

[forest oasis]

[hot folio]

There’s also that NZXT bracket iirc

[normal hawk]

Don't think they ever updated that for rtx 3000 or RX 6000 cards but could be wrong.

[hot folio]

Red neck engineering

[lone pond]

zipties my beloved

or a dremel if you want something slightly less scuffed

although zipties do actually work reasonably well if you're careful

[fringe scroll]

I still wanna try this on my z87 and z690 but don't know how well it will work lol

[lone pond]

it works well enough if you use pliers to get the needed pressure. the trick is getting even pressure. pressure in general is fine, but it's pretty tricky to get it even enough that your hotspot isn't 50C above edge temps

[fringe scroll]

Lmaoo

[lone pond]

yeah, it's scuffed af, but it does work if you put in enough effort

[fringe scroll]

Deepcool got back to me and they will send me the hardware 💪🏼

[lone pond]

I think I missed a previous conversation, but congrats on the stuff lol

[fringe scroll]

Yeah

U did 💀

[fringe scroll]

I was missing hardware for my ls720

Had the box but not the hardware

Makes sense right

💀

[hot folio]

Anyone got opinions on the Liquid Devil 7900XTX?

[livid idol]

It could be good if you like the look and you're already planning a custom loop

Assuming it's not more expensive than a comparable card + water block

[hot folio]

The loop is practically already built, just needs a GPU

Open box is $1200 so about the same as a card+waterblock

[winter valley]

at random times theres an error message saying that my windows probably replaced the driver and it makes it so that it makes my gpu is unusable anyone have an idea on how to fix? 6600xt btw

[random walrus]

Reinstall drivers

If there's an error code send that here

Or search it up

[livid idol]

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[snow sparrow]

how long does shipping take with newegg i want to purchase a 1050 Titan and have it sent to NYBox or Stackry! 😉

[livid idol]

Maybe you meant 1050 ti? In that case it depends on the seller. Newegg isn't selling those directly any more.

[keen nacelle]

I would not buy that

The 1050 ti is an old gpu and unless it's like $75 or cheaper it isn't worth it

The 6600 is $190 or less and destroys it

6650xt $230 and a bit worse than 2080

[snow sparrow]

The AMD 6650XT Is Stronger? how much power does it require from a Power supply! 😉

[keen nacelle]

350w would do fine but prob 450+

What's your budget for gpu?

And do you already have a build you're upgrading, or making a whole new one?

[snow sparrow]

i might win One Bitcoin on Binance and then i will buy a Graphics Card for My Hewlett Packard Z200 CMT workstation

[keen nacelle]

That sounds like a scam

Binance is a scam itself iirc

[snow sparrow]

go and see for yourself its a competition

[keen nacelle]

Either way, if you don't win what's your budget

[snow sparrow]

if i dont win i dont have money for a New GPU from newegg

[keen nacelle]

Ok

Well, if you won you could easily afford a 7950x+4090 build lol

[snow sparrow]

The AMD Radeon 6600 will work with 400Watts?

[keen nacelle]

Easily

[snow sparrow]

oh really Good!

[vital oriole]

it's pushing it tho but doable

[snow sparrow]

is it a Triple Fan GPU

[keen nacelle]

It can be

[vital oriole]

but it doesn't need to be

[keen nacelle]

It has some two fan and some three fan models

[vital oriole]

it's only a 6600

[snow sparrow]

or is there a dual fan only Release!

[keen nacelle]

Kk, one sec

I'll find you a link

[vital oriole]

two fans are plenty

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D9ytt6/asrock-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6600-cld-8g

[snow sparrow]

i will be also buying 32 GB RAM DDR3 from cloudninjas and ship it to NYBox or Stackry

[keen nacelle]

This is also very nicely priced
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NjM48d/asrock-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-challenger-d-oc-video-card-rx6650xt-cld-8go

[vital oriole]

smaller size means less worry about the case not fitting the card

[keen nacelle]

I'd buy ddr3 used

No point in buying it new anymore, you can get 32gb used for what, $20?

[snow sparrow]

oh should i get used RAM from ebay!

[keen nacelle]

That or Facebook marketplace imo

[snow sparrow]

ok! 😉

[keen nacelle]

Ddr3 is pretty old now, it's very badly priced new

[snow sparrow]

my brother also works on super yachts so sometimes he will give alot of money to buy what i ever want with my Standard Bank Virtual Bank Card 😉

i'm South African xD

i'm back

i had a power cut with eskom

[forest oasis]

binance

[lone pond]

did something happen with it?

[forest oasis]

i mean

asides from some lawsuits and people generally not exactly liking it, no not really

[lone pond]

interesting

I cashed out from it a long time ago, but I think I have like $100 on it in either USD or BTC depending on if I forgor to sell whenever I transfered it in lol

[forest oasis]

also i'd highly doubt that anyone would win one bitcoin for basically nothing? and the chances would be very slim even if is real

[lone pond]

pardon?

[forest oasis]

talking about what people were talking above a few hours ago

[hasty monolith]

Fsr does is basically downscale the image quality then upscale it right?

[keen nacelle]

Kinda?

[forest oasis]

not exactly, it renders the game at a lower game resolution, then uses ai to upscale it

so it isn't "downscaling"

[hasty monolith]

Thx

[solid glacier]

Does anoyne know if the 23.5.2 driver is stable

6900xt

[forest oasis]

stable for what

i use the studio drivers

[solid glacier]

Gaming

[unique quarry]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BWNZCT4V/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 would this be a worth the price for upgrade from a 2070 non super, system is setup for custom water cooling aready.

[forest oasis]

hmmm $400 more than msrp

isn't that just an ek block

if you went with ek, it would cost less than $400, though people from this server doesn't really recommend ek either way, so no, i don't really think that is worth the price

[unique quarry]

might just pull the custom loop out not liking cleaning loop all the time lol and go with the non water red devil

[winter valley]

did that and now it says that my driver failed to load and doesnt work

[hot folio]

Lol I just bought one of those td

I wouldn’t say it’s worth the price tho

Only bought it because I needed a waterblocked card and it was convenient over waiting for a waterblock to come in

[livid idol]

Reseat your GPU in the slot, or switch it to another slot if possible, and see if that helps

[winter valley]

ok i'll try it thank you

[unreal elm]

when i change out my 2080ti with a 4090 do i need to use ddu or can i just do a clean install of the new drivers once i install the card. seeing mixed things online about how its not necessary anymore

[odd siren]

DDU would be optimal

[heady turtle]

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[odd siren]

Also it being not necessary is a complete joke. Depending on your situation or build you can go years without issues or need to DDU weekly

DDU'ing before every nvidia driver update also ensures the best that driver performance can give

[winged minnow]

am intrested in hearing what are the opinions on the rtx 4000 series

[lone pond]

cool GPUs, terrible prices

[hot folio]

4090, 4080 great but a bit overpriced imo

Everything else, 💩

[lone pond]

4080 great?

[hot folio]

Compared to last gen it’s actually an upgrade

[lone pond]

sure. it's also $1200

[hot folio]

Yeah like I said, overpriced

Also $1400

[winged minnow]

at first i though the 4080 was garbage

and i redifined garbage when i saw the 4060

[hot folio]

Damn the 4060 is out now?

[winged minnow]

am not sure wether the thing i saw was the 4060 or 4060ti

[lone pond]

I'll do you one better, they're both trash

[lone pond]

ti

[winged minnow]

they also made the naming weird

[hot folio]

You mean a 3060ti remastered?

[lone pond]

yep lol

if it launched at $400 with 16 gajiggabites it would have been acceptable. but meh. $500, take it or leave it

[hot folio]

7900XTX

[lone pond]

$750 7900 XT is more what I'm looking at

probably going to either do that or a used 3090 this summer

[hot folio]

I just dropped 1.4k on one because of the convenience of it being pre waterblocked

And didn’t want to wait for shipping a waterblock

Beautiful card tho

[oak rivet]

[fringe scroll]

So incredibly jealous of your build lmaoo

[hot folio]

Get a job, profit

[fringe scroll]

Yeah

I will this summer

[odd siren]

Apparently the 40 series gigabyte cards have the same issue with pcb cracking

I'm just gonna avoid all higher end gigabyte cards for recommendations from now on

I think I may even do the same for their radeon lineup depending on what their pcie design looks like when I check it out later

[hot folio]

Their 6800xt Aorus master was so good

50C load temps were amazing

[odd siren]

Ya my 3080 was great

But also, this is a dumb issue and mechanically unsound

Supposedly this is already happening with 40 series so that demonstrates it's not a long term problem, it's just never been blasted before

People will be fine with anti-sag solutions but I think there's gonna have to be a really good value reason first to go down the gigabyte route rn

[lone pond]

but there was never an issue, it was just bad reporting

it'll happen to any card that you strap an unsupported alluminum brick to... it's not a gigabyte problem

also it was in all likelihood caused by shipping damage in prebuilts, but y'know

[odd siren]

Of course, but them not honouring any warranties on it and then additionally charging for shipping is just a middle finger

[lone pond]

I wouldn't honor warranties either if the damage was caused by a customer not knowing how to ship their PC

[odd siren]

It shouldn't be a user's fault if they just suddenly turn on the pc one day and you got no video cos the card's buggered from a weak spot

[lone pond]

frankly, it's not gigabyte's problem if you decided to kick your machine down a flight of stairs while transporting it across a continent

[keen nacelle]

I'm assuming my gigabyte 3060 ti gaming oc will be fine since the shroud isn't very heavy?

[odd siren]

Ya it's more the higher end heavy cards

Think 3 slots or 300mm+ length

[keen nacelle]

I think its 285mm iirc

[forest oasis]

quadro k600 should be fine

[odd siren]

And if you were just installing it?

[lone pond]

then the chances of it breaking like that are incredibly small

[odd siren]

That's my point, you say it like it's preposterous

But it's a very reasonable picture that it's weak at that spot

[lone pond]

right, which isn't important because failure will practically never occur outside of shipping damage

[forest oasis]

???

[keen nacelle]

Its not like the general public will know their gpu in a pre built has to be supported

[lone pond]

it can be a weak spot without failing under normal operation

[keen nacelle]

Or someone who built their pc but knows f all

90% of people would never even think about it

[lone pond]

and it's not gigabyte's fault if you ship it wrong

or any other AIB for that matter

[odd siren]

Blaming it like it's user error just allows poor design to get away

[keen nacelle]

Wasn't a large # of it not shipping related?

[odd siren]

They should design them better

[keen nacelle]

Just random failure from not having a sag bracket?

[odd siren]

This is like the whole 12vhpwr thing

[lone pond]

it's not poor design if it doesn't fail under normal operation

[odd siren]

Like "oh yeah user error" but they could also not do an ass job of the design

[odd siren]

We could talk about the 30 series cards losing vram to sag instead if you like

[lone pond]

sure, but that was also failing under what could reasonably be assumed was normal operation. the cable was plugged in, but not fully due to poor design. equating that to shipping an unsupported alluminum brick and expecting it to be fine is silly

[lone pond]

sure, that's actually a flaw in design

but is also totally unrelated to the pcb cracking

[odd siren]

You keep saying shipping but at the same time poor design needs to be flagged and blasted

[lone pond]

so nice red herring ig

[odd siren]

Why is gigabyte a particulate example here?

Why not all brands?

What's the trend?

I'm happy to say it's user error but at the same time the flaw is obvious

[lone pond]

it is actually a problem with all brands, gigabyte is just the company all of the usual suspects decided to report on

[oak rivet]

whats the frequency of this problem happening

[odd siren]

It got attention first from luis rossman

[lone pond]

practically 0 outside of shipping damage. and even then it doesn't seem to be terribly common based on ebay listings. there are also a handful of cracked PCB cards listed, and there have been since the launch of the cards

I haven't seen any meaningful/noticeable spike

[vital oriole]

The problem is gigabyte's stance about it

Refusing RMAs

[lone pond]

I strongly disagree. I wouldn't honor warranty on something caused by user error in shipping either

I fail to see how it's gigabyte's problem that people/companies are selling boxes of barely supported alluminum bricks and expecting it to be fine

[vital oriole]

Automatically brushing defects aside isn't okay

[odd siren]

Gigabyte could just design it better

[lone pond]

sure, in the future that would be great. but I fail to see how that is at all relevant to the current situation

[vital oriole]

I will be angry too if my gpu came cracked for some reason and I couldn't claim warranty on it

[odd siren]

Cos it's still happening on current gen

[lone pond]

and?

[odd siren]

You asked if it's current

[vital oriole]

Also tbf they coulda prevented this with better design

[lone pond]

it's not just "coming cracked" they're getting damaged in shipping

[lone pond]

no I did not

[odd siren]

There's not suffix to and

[lone pond]

but ok

[odd siren]

[vital oriole]

Yeah and gigabyte's design seems to be doing that more often than others

[odd siren]

Bruh

literally happening rn

[lone pond]

where is the question

[odd siren]

i didn't ask for that

[vital oriole]

Let's blame all the buyers for having ded gpus

[lone pond]

show me where in that message I asked a question

[vital oriole]

Warranty is merely a sticker

[odd siren]

Nice nitpicking. You opened the debate to that answer. You invited the response

[lone pond]

lol

[vital oriole]

Why do you have to defend a company when it's just not user's fault

[odd siren]

I like gigabyte but much like any brand defending your consumer rights is brand people themselves represent for better practice in the industry

[vital oriole]

^

[odd siren]

Sure many might be cracked for bad shipping but those who don't are cheated

Congratulations

[lone pond]

because it is almost entirely the end user's fault. the company shares some blame for designing the card with a massive cooler, but at the same time I couldn't care less if they don't honor warranties for people breaking their parts in shipping because of poor shipping practices

[odd siren]

But that doesn't sway my attitude to recommending current gigabyte high-end gpus

[lone pond]

responding to this ^ forgor to use the reply feature

[lone pond]

then you shouldn't recommend any high end GPU's, as it's not giga specific

but sure ig

[odd siren]

It's an existing problem and I don't want to suggest to someone a product with a likely future fault

[vital oriole]

Wow let's say shipping damage is user's fault

That's totally fair for the poor unlucky buyer right

[odd siren]

Same with like the 980 pro, any non-hynix ddr5, mobos with no leverage whatsoever for power delivery

Bad design is bad design

It deserves bad rep

[vital oriole]

Like asus shenanigans before

[odd siren]

It's more about those who it has nothing to do with shipping

[lone pond]

I'm not sure you understand what I mean by shipping. shipping in prebuits. if you get a prebuilt and your card arrives broken, send it back to the prebuilt company that cba to ship their stuff properly

it's not the AIB's problem at that point

[vital oriole]

That ain't user error still

[odd siren]

Agree on both points

[lone pond]

the company is the user in this case

[vital oriole]

I guess the "user" in this case is the SI

[lone pond]

yes

[vital oriole]

Then that's fair enough

[odd siren]

But in the situations where it's not pre-built related you're SOL

[vital oriole]

But outright not accepting any and all rma is not it

[odd siren]

So I kinda support this getting attention

[lone pond]

I'll take my 1 in a million odds, personally

[odd siren]

Yeah our opinions differ then

I prefer when a brand has benefit of the doubt

[lone pond]

plus you'll probably have a memory chip bga crack before the pcb cracks anyway

[odd siren]

Again, bad design, deserves all the attention it gets

40 series still running memory in the same spot too this gen

That problem was not addressed

[lone pond]

provided the attention is fairly reported on 100%. the hysteria and piling on gigabyte is silly tho

[vital oriole]

Improve design, no more problem

It still is worth telling gigabyte what's wrong and let them fix it

[lone pond]

only if you also tell all of the other AIBs, because it's not a giga specific problem. my problem is with the poor reporting on the whole situation

but ig that's what happens when the news cycle slows down, eh?

[vital oriole]

Being a company you must be open for criticism and inputs, even if some may seem silly but it's best to listen than being defensive and tarnishing your own reputation

[lone pond]

in what way did they tarnish their repuation? by not accepting warranties on cards SI's couldn't be bother to ship properly?

[vital oriole]

Yeah lol, I know it's silly to be angry over that but really that's what's people are angry about

A few have actually suggested solutions too

[lone pond]

due to bad reporting. feeding into the misguided hype only makes the problem worse

[oak rivet]

soo its mostly pre builts where its happening ?

[lone pond]

almost exclusively. the odds of it happening to a random GPU that you slotted into your machine and never move is practically 0

you're far more likely to lose a card to some other flaw in design, eg memory module bga cracking

[vital oriole]

It's not right to be doing bad reports, but on other hand a solution is laid for them in the midst of all the chaos

I'm half agreeing with your points since it does make sense, just different opinions that's all

[lone pond]

likewise. I absolutely agree that it's a problem that AIBs can work on. but I disagree if the argument is that it's a pressing issue that needs a fix. a far easier solution is for SIs and random ebay sellers to put a $5 block of foam in their prebuilt and call it a day. which honestly is preferable to reinforcing the pcb and passing that cost on to the consumer imo

I don't want to pay a penny extra on my GPU because some idiot in corporate decided packing foam was an unecessary expense lol

[oak rivet]

was considering the 7900xtx for 4k but man is it a noticeably slower card holy

[livid idol]

The 4090 is in a league of its own for 4k lol

[oak rivet]

digital foundry with how they describe how good dlss performance looks at 4k really compelling me rn

soo 4k like visuals at around 1080p fps

[vital oriole]

yeah of course, it'll never match 4090 unless you mod it

but by then it will be running like 600w

[odd siren]

700+

Also the XTX is a bit faster now

[fringe scroll]

Fire

Just gets better with time

Like 6000 series

[odd siren]

Indeed

[hot folio]

Hmm I think I’ll need a bigger PSU LOL

Got myself a nice space heater

[fringe scroll]

My guy

You need a bigger air conditioner

[hot folio]

I already got a 14000 btu one

Cooling a 250 SQFT room

[odd siren]

Big time uncles

[fringe scroll]

Bros living in a chiller

[odd siren]

That's a lot of uncles in a small space

[hot folio]

Each one is holding a fan on my pc

[oak rivet]

https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/1668966525062062082?t=zYfFyOClazPfNL7mEzvs7w&s=19

NVIDIA GeForce (@NVIDIAGeForce)

The GeForce RTX 4060 will now be available to order starting June 29, at 6AM Pacific.

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4060 this month instead of the previous planned next month

[hot folio]

3060 remastered let’s gooo

[solid glacier]

Some guy wants my 6900 for his 3080

[lone pond]

breh

[solid glacier]

Fr

[lone pond]

a <bad> gpu launches on my birthday, how lucky

[solid glacier]

He just said “I’ll add 100$ on top 💀”

[oak rivet]

3080 10gb?

could be the vram

[solid glacier]

Yea

Asus stuff

[solid glacier]

Is tehre a 64 bit of RTSS? idk why it downloaded a 32 bit version

[winter valley]

Wel while trying to reseat the gpu the flap behind the gpu fell off

[livid idol]

Sometimes you can snap it back on and it's fine

Otherwise it's fine to use without the clip as long as it's stable

[winter valley]

Thanks but there’s another issue im my motherboard is flashing vga and there’s no display

[fringe scroll]

💀

[livid idol]

That means either the video card is not detected (not in all the way) or has failed

[keen nacelle]

My old mobo worked without the pcie clip with my 3060 ti, now it's working for my partner with a 5700xt

Been going strong for over a year now iirc

[winter valley]

it worked but it didnt fix anything

[forest oasis]

?

how does it work but not fix

what is working

[solid glacier]

Fal do you know if theres a 64 bit version of RTSS

[vital oriole]

why so?

it doesn't need 64 bit to do what it does

[solid glacier]

bc of my windows is 64bit not 32 not sure if anyof that matters with rtss

[wicked hound]

32bit applications have certain limitations compared to 64bit applications. However those limitations dont affect what RTSS does, so there isnt any point in having a 64bit build of it.

[forest oasis]

there are plenty of 32 bit applications on windows, not really much point in using 64 bit applications for stuff that only need 32bit since it would be more widely compatible iirc

afaik there isn't much of a performance difference for those applications anyways

and modern cpus are x86_64 (x86 is the 32 bit arch)

[solid glacier]

oh okay ty

[livid idol]

Try another PCIe slot, or if you don't have any others try another GPU. If you still have issues with another GPU or if it works in another slot, then the slot is bad.

[wheat crag]

Which desktop graphics cards have similar performance to a laptop 4060 and 4070?

[odd siren]

3060 ti/3070 roughly

[livid idol]

Those are both better than those laptop models by a bit. 3060 ti beats the 4070 mobile usually, depending on power limit.
On the AMD side the 6750 XT beats the 4070 mobile.
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/4752vs4756vs4318vs4283vs4543/GeForce-RTX-4060-Laptop-GPU-vs-GeForce-RTX-4070-Laptop-GPU-vs-GeForce-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-3070-vs-Radeon-RX-6750-XT

[odd siren]

Fr? So they're both not even upgrades?

I was thinking of Jarrod's tech but that was ageessss ago

[livid idol]

Considering most models of laptop GPUs aren't even the top TDP models, yeah they can't compare to even last gen desktop.

If you get a 115W 4070 mobile it'll put up a good fight against the 3060 ti at least, maybe striking distance to the 3070

[odd siren]

In other news just saw someone who purchased a 3.5K pc with a 4070 in it

I'm off to die of cringe

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[odd siren]

Ah, maybe that's what I'm referencing

Yeah I should be thinking about tdp

Muh bad

Still sucks if it's that little of a change

The 3060m can go beyond the 3060

Meaning ada mobile sounds just, bad

[livid idol]

And that was at what, 95W or something?

Not much better ye

[odd siren]

140W it goes beyond the 3060 by a fair bit

95W slower

115W about equal

[livid idol]

How does a 3060M get allowed to be up to 140W but a 4070M isn't

[odd siren]

4060m is

No 4070m should be allowed

Look up the asus laptops

They yeet the power

[livid idol]

The 4070M is the same 115W as the 4060M according to TPU, but I suppose some brands could just send it

[odd siren]

Ya they do

Beyond spec is normal

3060m was like 85w tdp

Tuf asus doubled that

I mean, can say that for all nvidia cards of recent

[livid idol]

80W yeah, I see that now

[lone pond]

My 65w 3060m beats 3060 desktop cards. Albeit not with stock settings. It’s 3-5% slower at stock

[heady turtle]

That doesn't seem right

[keen nacelle]

Might have something to do with the vram they used for 30 series mobile gpus

[keen nacelle]

I could see that being possible

[heady turtle]

3050 I'd understand but 3060 x to doubt

[keen nacelle]

My 3050 ti mobile beat 3050 desktop

As in my 3050 ti score on timespy is higher than the #1 timespy 3050 desktop score

Nvm I take that back

My 3050 ti mobile did 6570

[heady turtle]

Well the #1 3060 mobile is 10443 which avg of 3060 is 8732 but that seems v low, the averages for both are close but the high end there's 630 enteries at 10k pts

On timespy ^

I suppose a lot of variation on laptops tho so maybe that's why I'd be really surprised if a 65w 3060 mobile gets near that 8.7k mark

[lone pond]

doubt it all you want, but it doesn't make it any less true

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/38903403

9350 score, average for 3060 desktop is like 8750 iirc

[lone pond]

3060m uses slower memory than the desktop card, which is kind of unfortunate for me :/

14gbps on the mobile cards vs 15gbps on desktop

[heady turtle]

Huh how do you have a 5800x and 3060 mobile

[lone pond]

laptop die, desktop PCB/cooler

it's a neat card

[heady turtle]

Okay well thats pretty much cheating tho

Especially since the laptop parts are higher binned

So not very surprising

[lone pond]

how's that lol. it's the exact same spec as the mobile cards and runs at 65w

[heady turtle]

Oh it's still only running at 65w?

Well better cooling will allow it to boost higher and assumed it was taking more power

[lone pond]

yep. I shunt modded it after that score, but it's so voltage limited that it still only pulls like 70 max. I have to set up a volt mod when I have the time to stab the pcb

[vital oriole]

im surprised a 65w 3060 can reach 3060 desktop

[heady turtle]

Ah fair, that's sick tho, I'd imagine the extra cooling helps a lot

So

[lone pond]

those extra cuda cores do a lot. that and some decent memory OC makes for a notably more compelling card than the actual 3060 imo. had Nvidia launched it with this core spec, the same 175w tdp, and the same 15gbps memory it might have actually been decent

[heady turtle]

While yes it's more of a technically

Yeah Nvidia like giving higher bins to laptop because more moneys

[lone pond]

rip the bottom off of a laptop, point a delta fan at it, and throw it in a freezer and you get the same effect

I get what you're saying, but at the same time I don't consider extra cooling cheating lol

if it were pulling 200w, then sure... that's a little scuffed

[heady turtle]

Sure but that's also not really a fair comparison

That's all i mean, while yes it's a 3060m it's getting not in a laptop

[lone pond]

eh I guess. in all fairness though, the only real benefit I'm seeing is to the memory clock. it doesn't clock significantly better on core than a lot of the higher PL real mobile cards I've seen

[heady turtle]

Also your cpu is a lot better than almost any 3060 laptop probably all actually

[lone pond]

memory is pretty nice though. doing +1850 stable iirc. might have been 1750 for actual games and stuff, but it's been a hot minute since I've ran it in my machine

[lone pond]

sure, but I'm only comparing the graphics portion of 3dmark with those scores

[heady turtle]

Still helps

[heady turtle]

+1850? Like in afterburner or are you accounting for the actual frequency?

[lone pond]

barely if at all, but even if I accept the premise, I'm not comparing a laptop to a desktop, I'm comparing a laptop GPU to a desktop GPU. the CPU is irrelevant to that

[heady turtle]

Not necessarily they can help each other

Even in gpu bottlnecks

[lone pond]

+1850 magic funny afterburner memory units. it's 1750mhz stock memory on the card, 2212mhz with the overclock (8850 mhz reporting in afterburner, because using real mhz is apparently too difficult)

[lone pond]

again, I'm comparing GPUs, not entire systems. in a scenario where neither part is CPU bottlenecked my 3060m pulls ahead of desktop 3060's at 65w

[heady turtle]

Afterburners mhz unit is technically right depends how you wanna measure

That's a sweet overclock tho

[lone pond]

it's literally just datarate/2 with mhz slapped at the end for reasons

it's not a real measurement of clock speed

[heady turtle]

Yeah but so is dram speed so if you look at it that way technically it's not wrong

[lone pond]

it's not ddr desktop memory, it's octa pumped. the memory runs at datarate/8 mhz internally

dividing by two only accounts for the ddr portion of the memory, not anything else

[heady turtle]

Gddr possibly 5 and above, deff 6 and above are qdr iirc tho

[lone pond]

gddr6 is octa pumped, iirc 5 is quad pumped

I forget what 6X is. I think it may be 16x depending on how you want to look at pam4. it's been a long time since I've looked at a 6X datasheet tho, I honestly don't recall

[heady turtle]

Wdym by pumped?

[lone pond]

the number you multiply the internal clock of the memory by to extract its datarate. ie, GDDR6 14gbps runs at 1750mhz. 1750 x 8 = 14gbps

I understand it's not a real term, I just find it easier to think about it that way than breaking it down into the individual parts that make up the datarate