graphics-cards

[odd siren]

Rx 6800 is your go to my guy

[rain aspen]

Gaming and coding...

[keen nacelle]

If you're just gaming, I'd go 6700, 6700xt, 6750xt, or 6800

Coding doesn't need Cuda I don't think

Since it's cpu focused

[odd siren]

Yeah coding you'd be fine

[vital oriole]

Coding doesn't use gpu so radeon is the way to go

[rain aspen]

rx 6800 ? Any suggestion of maker?

[keen nacelle]

Are you building a whole new pc or just replacing gpu?

[odd siren]

The cheapest one

[heady turtle]

Unless it's machine learning*

[vital oriole]

Anything really, just avoid something like msi mech if possible

[keen nacelle]

Machine learning is part of coding?

[rain aspen]

I build one last months but I kept my 1660 TI until 4070/4060ti are released...

[keen nacelle]

Learn something new every day

[odd siren]

Mech doesn't exist on 6800 iirc

[keen nacelle]

What's the power supply?

[lone pond]

my ref 6800 cools 330w well enough. you can get away with basically any cooler if you care to

[rain aspen]

corsair 850x

[odd siren]

Ur good

[keen nacelle]

My ref 6800xt definitely got toasty for Hotspot but it wasn't terrible

[rain aspen]

with i5-13600k

[keen nacelle]

Yeah you'd be fine with a 4090 on that psu

[odd siren]

Ur definitely good

[keen nacelle]

What's your budget for gpu?

[heady turtle]

Well machine learning has to be written in a language 😅, it's "AI" like object detection stuff like that, neural networks etc

[odd siren]

6800 would be fine

[rain aspen]

@keen nacelle don't have the money for it 😂

[vital oriole]

6800 is gud deal

[keen nacelle]

I know was just giving an example

But what's your budget for a gpu?

[heady turtle]

What's your budget @rain aspen

And assume you're in the us?

[keen nacelle]

Canada

[odd siren]

Canada

[heady turtle]

Canada

[odd siren]

🇨🇦

[rain aspen]

not too much... I already had to change my lawn mover and we discover that our pool is scrap... 😱

[heady turtle]

How much is not too much?

[vital oriole]

Exact numbers pls

[odd siren]

Give us a number you're comfortable with

[rain aspen]

less a 1000$ CAD

[heady turtle]

That's 200 to someone and 800 to someone

Okay

[vital oriole]

what res is your monitor btw?

[odd siren]

So roughly 600-700usd

[heady turtle]

I'd get this
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BM92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-speedster-merc-319-video-card-rx-695xatbd9

[rain aspen]

1080p

[heady turtle]

For your budget

[odd siren]

1080p lmao

[heady turtle]

Oh well 6950xt would be overkill

[vital oriole]

honestly i feel it's overkill for 1080p

[heady turtle]

By a lot

[vital oriole]

6800 is max i'd go

[odd siren]

1080p will use like, maybe 60% of the gpu

At max

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/336qqs/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-pulse-video-card-11304-03-20g 6800xt is an option

For 6800 https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/nrNxFT/msi-gaming-z-trio-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-video-card-rx-6800-gaming-z-trio-16g

[heady turtle]

Id get this since 1080p
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/nrNxFT/msi-gaming-z-trio-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-video-card-rx-6800-gaming-z-trio-16g

[odd siren]

Can you guys fit a 1440p monitor in with a 6800

[heady turtle]

Def

[keen nacelle]

For sure

[odd siren]

I'd do that then

[keen nacelle]

Could probably do it with 6800xt too

[vital oriole]

Monitor upgrade?

[odd siren]

Unless he really wants to keep the current monitor

[heady turtle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/j27yGL

[odd siren]

He doesn't sound keen on maxing it so try and keep it lower than like, 900-850 imo

[heady turtle]

Not with ips anyway

[odd siren]

Yeah do this @rain aspen

[vital oriole]

tbh i'd just upgrade gpu and be done with it

[odd siren]

You'll have a great time

Or go like, 6700XT and just be done

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/j27yGL

[keen nacelle]

Yeah you right

Imo 6750xt and 6700xt don't save enough money to be worth the performance drops

[heady turtle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/j27yGL
Or this imo with your current monitor
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Rs92FT/xfx-speedster-swft-309-radeon-rx-6700-10-gb-video-card-rx-67xlkwfdv

[odd siren]

I'm not looking at pcpp rn I'm working on my home net so I can't tell

Only cursory advice

[odd siren]

I can believe it. Canada also has whack case prices

[rain aspen]

think for a monitor upgrade one day... in fact a got I old 21 1600x900 monitor... thinking to use the current one as the old one and buy a new 1440p monitor...

maybe for black friday 😂

[keen nacelle]

Yeah 900p... it's time for an upgrade

[heady turtle]

Black Friday usually puts the crap that doesn't sell on sale so be careful

[keen nacelle]

I went from 1050p tn to 1080p va and that was huge... I can't imagine 900p to 1440p lol

[odd siren]

A 6800 seems like a no brainer if you have 1440p in mind soon

[keen nacelle]

^

[rain aspen]

@keen nacelle I got a 1080p AND 900? monitor 😛

[keen nacelle]

Ahh ok

I just made my partner a computer and gave them the good side monitor I was using, so im now using two 1050p tn monitors as my side monitors

All they really see is Google and discord though, so whatever

[oak rivet]

A 6800xt can be used as a very long term 1080p card

Like the 1080ti was 🤷‍♂️

[odd siren]

No one agrees with your 1080p statement tho

[oak rivet]

Ok

[odd siren]

I would never buy a card to be prepared for my use 5 years down the line

[oak rivet]

But people praising 1080ti for its longevity are at 1080p now

[odd siren]

Mhm

No card is immortal, but don't buy a card like it's going into a tornado shelter

That's just self-immolation

[fringe scroll]

I dont think he knows what that means

[odd siren]

🤷‍♂️

[oak rivet]

if i had a 1080p monitor my card would be in amuch better state now

but anyway

[odd siren]

Congrats, you wasted 5 years of potential

[fringe scroll]

You own a 3080ti bruh

SHUT UP

[odd siren]

Meanwhile I actively used a 3090 at 4K and the 3080 10gb is running 1440p just fine

3 more years on the clock to go

My 3060 6gb happily running anything I want at 1080p

[ruby surge]

Should I buy the 4060ti 8gb or 16gb version

[odd siren]

Neither

Buy a used 3060ti

4060ti performance for cheaper

[ruby surge]

Ok

[odd siren]

4060ti is basically a rebadged 3060 ti for performance

It sucks

[ruby surge]

But what’s the difference between the two

[oak rivet]

16gb benches arent out yet 🤷‍♂️

[odd siren]

Frame gen, av1 encode, slightly less power draw. That's about it

You may as well get a 3060ti used for like 250-300

And save yourself big money

[ruby surge]

Well i have like $500 so what should I get

Usd

[odd siren]

RX 6800 is awesome

Beats all 3 by a mile

[ruby surge]

Ok

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P36qqs/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6800-pgd-16go

Scroll down for the newegg link

It also comes with a game, so more money saved if you are interested in the game

[ruby surge]

Ok thanks

[odd siren]

Np

[keen nacelle]

Sometimes 6800xt is that price

If you buy used, 3080/6800xt/6900xt

[ruby surge]

It says 485$

On Newegg

[keen nacelle]

What does?

[ruby surge]

The 6800xt

[rain aspen]

not interested in used... afraid of used I am!

[keen nacelle]

Oh here https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XPjNnQ/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6800xt-pgd-16go

[rain aspen]

(did I'm talking like Yoda 🤨)

[keen nacelle]

6800xt is a good bit better than 6800

[odd siren]

Jesus

500 on the dot?

[keen nacelle]

Def worth the $15 extra

[odd siren]

That's much better

Absolutely

@ruby surge go that one

[ruby surge]

Ohh ok

[odd siren]

6800xt beats a 3060ti in basically everything except blender

[rain aspen]

funny...

the AsRock 6800 xt...

[keen nacelle]

?

[odd siren]

It varies by region

Different sales for different places

[ruby surge]

It says 540$ usd with a promo code

So it’s 500$

[keen nacelle]

Also at that point https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BM92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6950-xt-16-gb-speedster-merc-319-video-card-rx-695xatbd9

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, $15 more than that 6800

Def worth it for the performance difference

[odd siren]

For that 15$ you basically get like, some 20% more fps

[ruby surge]

Yea also I have another question for ssd’s

[keen nacelle]

What about them?

[ruby surge]

Idk what to get

[rain aspen]

That one is 500 HIGHER on newegg.ca than Amazon.ca 😂😂😂

[ruby surge]

Im aiming for a gen 4 drive 1tn or higher

[odd siren]

What are you using the pc for

[keen nacelle]

Mp33, a60, 670p, p41 plus

[ruby surge]

Just gaming

[keen nacelle]

If you want 2tb for gen 4, p41 plus or xs70

[odd siren]

The cheapest budget gen 3 is fine

[keen nacelle]

But you won't see a diff between gen 4 and gen 3

I'd just get a60 2tb at $70

[ruby surge]

Ohh ok I heard it’s faster

[odd siren]

You won't notice a difference in gen 3 or 4

It's faster yes

Not where it matters for you tho

[ruby surge]

So I thought it would be better

[odd siren]

GOD I hate this android keyboard

[keen nacelle]

For gaming there's no diff aside from maybe a second or two in loading screens

If not less

[odd siren]

ARGHH

It's mocking me guys

[past elbow]

do you prefer iphone?

[odd siren]

[odd siren]

I...good point, no

[past elbow]

lol

[ruby surge]

Ok well thank you

[odd siren]

Np

[ruby surge]

That’s all I needed help with lol

[odd siren]

Two more questions before you go

[ruby surge]

Yea

[odd siren]

What cpu and psu did you have in mind

[ruby surge]

Oh the 15-12400f and the Evga G5 650w

But probably might change the psu

[odd siren]

Ah you're fine then

[ruby surge]

Oh ok

[odd siren]

Nah I think g5 is just fine iirc

650w will work

[keen nacelle]

G5 is B tier, just depends on price

Hx green 650 is b tier and like $70 iirc

[keen nacelle]

What's your budget for the computer, and have you bought anything and or own anything yet?

[odd siren]

Just wanted to check in case you were gonna run some crazy low spec psu lmao

[keen nacelle]

Me and or Felix could make you a list

[ruby surge]

I bought the cpu and the budget is 1200$

[keen nacelle]

Before or after what you spent on the cpu?

[ruby surge]

But that’s without taxes and shipping

Before

[keen nacelle]

Kk, that's not an issue

How much did you spend on it?

[ruby surge]

So I would say about 1000$ now

[keen nacelle]

Kk, if you can I would return it and buy the 5600 for $135

[ruby surge]

Let me check I don’t remember

[keen nacelle]

5600 performs the same

[ruby surge]

I bought it for 150$ usd

[odd siren]

That's not bad

Probably not worth the difference to return it

Unless you were going back

[ruby surge]

No I bought it on Newegg

[odd siren]

Thing is the mobo and cooler costs to run that well is higher than a 5600

So the difference works out more than $15

[keen nacelle]

Do you care about looks or size?

[ruby surge]

Oh my uncle gave me a cooler

His case was to small when he built it

[odd siren]

Oh he did? That makes it better

[keen nacelle]

12400f has stock cooler anyways so whatever

But mobo is a bit of a difference, atleast $20

[odd siren]

Yeah

[keen nacelle]

If you need wifi anyways

[odd siren]

You could still use the cooler on the 5600

[ruby surge]

Ok

[keen nacelle]

Anyways, if you return the 12400f https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q4v8nt

And wait a sec, I'll make one for the 12400f

[odd siren]

Beautiful

[keen nacelle]

Though might want to change the ram to 3200c16 32gb silicon power kit

[odd siren]

Works too but I don't like the ds3h lol

[keen nacelle]

Locked 12th gen cpus don't like over 3200mhz ram

[odd siren]

Ds3h is maxed on 12400

More just sad cos intel

Not the list itself

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, but its fine for a 12400f. I'll find a more boujie one of they want it

[odd siren]

Ye

$30 to leave it open ended for a good upgrade might be worth it

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bGRN3y

[odd siren]

Meanwhile the amd one can handle it

[keen nacelle]

Ooh, mortar wifi is on sale

Def worth that

[ruby surge]

Ok thank you

[odd siren]

Yeah this is better

Still worse off than the 5600 but better

[keen nacelle]

Tbh either ones fine, that second one does leave a lil more room for an upgrade path

[odd siren]

Ye, you can run a 13700k in the mortar

[keen nacelle]

That a520 might not like a 5800x3d, that mortar wifi will handle a 13600k

[odd siren]

The a520 can handle a 5950x

[keen nacelle]

Jesus

[odd siren]

That's why I started recommending it

Yeah lmao

[keen nacelle]

I shall eat my words

[odd siren]

Literally the best of minmax on am4 for 100$

[keen nacelle]

Yeah both lists are good, can fit a 6950xt in budget lol

[odd siren]

6950 would be awesome too, might want a bigger psu tho

[keen nacelle]

Barely anyways https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dKgT8r

[odd siren]

5600 will start to feel a bit squeezed

[keen nacelle]

Oh yeah very good point

Psu def not enough, so wouldn't fit in budget

$30 more for the rme 2023, on top of $130 more for the gpu

So meh

[odd siren]

Worth it if you want the most of 1440p

Wtf 5600 is 110

[keen nacelle]

Nah its a fake seller

$120 on newegg tho

[odd siren]

Better deals online?

It ships from amazon

[keen nacelle]

?

When I checked it didn't

[odd siren]

Oh wait

No pcpp didn't update the price

[keen nacelle]

Yeah its shipped and sold by "the Richard store"

[odd siren]

My bad

[keen nacelle]

42% positive rating lol, that's impressive

[odd siren]

Lol when I opened it I had a different seller pop

I thought I saw a code but no, just 130

💀

[keen nacelle]

Ahh

[odd siren]

Toughpower grand rgb is a tier isn't it

Thermaltake

@ruby surge have a look at this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DrCptn

1300 with monitor

1070 without

[keen nacelle]

Smexy list

[ruby surge]

I did want to upgrade my monitor

I had a 1080p one for my Xbox

I had got last Christmas

[keen nacelle]

Though they said it's $1000 after cpu and taxes

[odd siren]

Yea, you'd take the cpu back

To get it within 1200...would be fairly easy tbh

Brb

[keen nacelle]

Mb you right lol

My brain is melting

[odd siren]

All good

[odd siren]

Dialed it back and ended up with this again, I can't improve it

With the g27q basically

So this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xzd8nt

[keen nacelle]

Can always build pc and upgrade monitor in a bit

[odd siren]

Yea

[rain aspen]

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1661361196786913280 🥲

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

Current Gen GPU Recap

RTX 4090 🙂
RTX 4080 💩💩💩
RTX 4070 Ti 💩💩
RTX 4070 🫤
RTX 4060 Ti 8GB 💩💩💩💩
RX 7900 XTX 🫤
RX 7900 XT 💩💩💩
RX 7600 💩💩

Likes

1708

Retweets

155

Twitter · May 24, 2023, 1:19 PM

[vital oriole]

honestly kinda biased lol

xtx isn't meh, beating 4080 for $200 less is a value in itself ngl

[white bloom]

whats the best test to find the max clock speed for each voltage for the gpu?

[odd siren]

Playing games

Unless you're not looking for the bleeding edge and want a more all-in-one solution?

Then try a heavy hitter like CP then tune your curve until it's barely stable

Then take off 100MHz core, maybe 50 mem

Maybe even 100 mem too

[heady turtle]

Still should be like 800-900 tho

Price creep is insanely outgrowing inflation

[vital oriole]

tru that

[white bloom]

what does CP stand for

[odd siren]

Cyberpunk

Assuming you use radeon instead, add 50-60mV

And maybe 32* less mem clock

Instead of 100MHz core and mem less for nvidia

[fringe scroll]

I HATE THE ABBREVIATION

[odd siren]

Well I hate typing the name so too bad

Type it for me

[fringe scroll]

Cyberpunk

Cp is just... weird

[odd siren]

CP77

it's common knowledge

[fringe scroll]

You don't understand what I'm getting at do you

[odd siren]

no

[hot bough]

when is someone gonna accidentally call CP77 CP30

[spare relic]

Just don't abbreviate it

[lone pond]

it works very well, looks good also

[odd siren]

Would be amazing to see this in like a Y60 or some really tiny SFF

Corsair 2000D perhap

[heady turtle]

Omg that is tiny (except the 360mm)

[heady turtle]

They should have made a 280mm one so it can go in the ssupd meshilicious

[hot folio]

Mmmm, I want

I think I can fit it in my case

[fringe scroll]

no

no

no

Dont

It would look goofy

[spare relic]

Are the tube ends rotatable

They should point up I feel

[livid idol]

Assuming you mean "up" when it's installed horizontally yes

[tulip garnet]

best 30 or 40 series card for 3D-modeling and rendering?

[wicked hound]

Simple questions typically get simple answers, "a 4090". Much more detail is needed. What programs are you using, how large the projects will typically be, what your upgrade cycle is, what you budget is, what else you'll be using the GPU for (ex: gaming), etc.

[warm belfry]

Hey If anyone could give an opinion on buying current generation gpu's. I currently I have r5 5600x cpu and I want to get a modern gpu but since Nvidia released the newer line which are more affordable than 4080 and 4090 but I have looked at the specs and not much has honestly changed from in terms of gpu specs except for power consumption but I have see AMD gpu's increase in memory bandwidth and vram. Well what I want in a gpu is a good balance of RT cores and vram with decent memory bandwith should I choose AMD over Nvidia currently not sure what to get. But if you guys could shar your opinion on the matter is would be appreciated.

[livid idol]

AMD's 7000 series is much better than previous 6000 GPUs at ray tracing, but still not quite as good as Nvidia. AMD does tend to offer more VRAM at a given price but that's a trend not a rule.

What's the budget for the GPU?

[warm belfry]

600-800

[livid idol]

In that case you're really only looking at a 4070 or a 7900 XT https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/jhstt6,RXbRsY/

If the extra and compute power is worth the extra cost to you then the 7900 XT is a good choice. Or you could do the 4070 if you want the Nvidia features and a cheaper option, but it is less powerful.

The 4070 ti isn't really worth it imo, more expensive for effectively the same performance as the 7900 XT but with less vram

[oak rivet]

https://twitter.com/3DCenter_org/status/1661583116027273218?t=srR610NeKE_M7svRWKLLHg&s=19

3DCenter.org (@3DCenter_org)

nVidia GPU launches 2023: Graphics cards sold at german retailer 'Mindfactory' at launch day (incl. night, ~12-14h after launch)

4070Ti (Jan): ~540 units
4070 (Apr): ~315 units
4060Ti (May): ~30 units

Twitter · May 25, 2023, 4:01 AM

4060ti

[vital oriole]

Germans are indeed happy with efficiency of higher end skus, but not the performance standing still on 4060ti

Just as I have guessed

[fringe scroll]

Germans

@lone pond

[livid idol]

Their power cost may have gone down this year a lot but it's still not a great price, plus no guarantees it doesn't get expensive again soon.

[distant adder]

6700xt vs 6750 xt, both same price which one do I pick?

[oak rivet]

6750xt sounds like a no brainer

[distant adder]

Thought so, Cuz I always see the 6700xt on benchmarks but not the 6750xt, thought it has problems or whatever

[oak rivet]

Yeah 6750xt it is faster no matter how little faster it is over 6700xt it is faster and no problems with it

[distant adder]

Yeah I’ll probably get it, do you suggest waiting till mid june/july for smth like 7700xt?

[oak rivet]

i would pull the trigger and be satisfied

[livid idol]

7700 XT won't be out for a while still. AMD is playing the "wait until last gen is almost sold out before launching new stuff" game.

[lone pond]

Banshee is an example of pure stupidity of PC users in Germany

[fringe scroll]

Real

[vital oriole]

Stupidity?

Elec costs are uncertain in germany these days tbh

[fringe scroll]

He's making fun of someone in a war thunder server we're in lmaooo

[vital oriole]

ah

[lone pond]

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-xt-rx-67xtyjfdv/p/N82E16814150852?

$350 for three fan GPU?

[livid idol]

2 fans are acceptable on that model, it's not high power/heat.

Just not the mech 2x. Cheapo aluminum couldn't cool anything.

Besides this is actually one of the better models, better factory OC, binning, and PCB. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6700-xt-rx6700xt-cld-12go/p/N82E16814930059

[lone pond]

One sec

[lone pond]

Alright I'm fine with that, keeps the fractal design I like and it's in black

[fast timber]

Doesn't AMD have something with a "boost" feature if using Ryzen CPU + AMD Graphics card? Does that work cross-gen? I'm thinking not so i.e. 5900x with 7900xtx

[livid idol]

Yes they have "rage mode"

It's not as impressive as it sounds lol, nothing you can't do in afterburner

[lone pond]

May be a stupid question, but is there gonna be any issues with running AM5 with a 6000 series GPU?

[fringe scroll]

I didnt have one on my gaming x card

[livid idol]

None whatsoever

[livid idol]

Did you know where to look?

[fringe scroll]

Yes

[livid idol]

I guess it's possible some AIBs left that out of the vbios

[lone pond]

Hmmm, alright just seems a bit odd having a 7000 series CPU but a 6000 series GPU when the build is gaming orientated

[fringe scroll]

I dont care as I unlocked the power with with mpt and manualy overclocked lol

[fringe scroll]

Not at all?

[livid idol]

Yeah it's literally just an increased power limit, nothing you can't do manually

[lone pond]

HOLY CRAP, $40 DEAL ON THE 7600X

[fringe scroll]

Especially on that one

[lone pond]

Sorry wrong channel but still

[livid idol]

Yeah those have been getting really good prices lately

[fringe scroll]

Literally cranked the slider to 2.9 and same for memory

[livid idol]

And with DDR5 so cheap now, all that you have to worry about is the motherboard being slightly more expensive on AMD

[lone pond]

Well I "Technically" should be able to afford it if I can get rid of my 5700 and 12100F here soon

Some dude already wants to buy the 12100F for $65 shipped, saying something about "avx512"

No clue what that is

[fringe scroll]

Loll

[livid idol]

He's in for a rude awakening, Intel killed that feature. Even if that chip ever had it, as soon as it's installed in a motherboard with a semi-recent bios it's hard disabled.

[lone pond]

What is it anyways, I'm a bit curious

Also wouldn't you be able to revert the BIOS to a previous version?

OOOOH WAIT

Yeah I see what you mean

[livid idol]

https://www.makeuseof.com/what-is-avx-512-why-intel-killing-it/

[lone pond]

This is what he said, but I guess he's willing to take the gamble

[livid idol]

Reverting bios does nothing, it updates the microcode in the CPU so it's permanently disabled

[lone pond]

Yeah that's what I thought when you said "hard disabled"

I was a bit slow on picking up on it

Well, anyways I really appreciate the help and insight

[fringe scroll]

Oh doomed

I would think he knows better

[lone pond]

Should I tell him?

[fringe scroll]

🤫

[lone pond]

Alright LMAO

[fringe scroll]

🤷‍♂️idk lmao

[livid idol]

It's his risk to take

[lone pond]

How recently did they kill it off?

Because as far as I know I haven't updated my BIOS since the release of 13th gen

[livid idol]

It was long before then

[lone pond]

Oh, yeah then it's definitely disabled

[livid idol]

March of '22 I think

[lone pond]

Yeah, I didn't get my rig up until November '22

[odd siren]

You can roll back the bios and it works again.

Source: I did it

[livid idol]

Really? That's not supposed to happen lol

Well if it happened once 🎲

[odd siren]

I dunno what to tell you, that's why Ralic bought my 12900kf

I even tested it with benchmarks

[livid idol]

Will AVX-512 work on that CPU?

?8ball

Dangit

[odd siren]

Lol

?8ball Will AVX-512 work on that CPU?

[livid idol]

What happened to the boooooot

[odd siren]

It booted

[livid idol]

It's a bad omen

Signs point to no

[odd siren]

But yes not all circle printed 12th gens work. I've heard that before

Mine definitely did though

You can check with cpu-z by enabling avx-512 in the bios, it'll show up on the main tab as "AVX-512F"

If you play a lot of emus it's a big deal

[livid idol]

This is why AMD owns the emulator scene (on certain ones)

[odd siren]

Ye doesn't zen 4 support 512 now? Or is it 2

[livid idol]

Their AVX-512 may only be 256+256 but it still works, unlike intel

Yeah on zen4

[odd siren]

Sweet

[fringe scroll]

Bozo 5900x doesn't have it

[odd siren]

Inb4 he upgrades

[fringe scroll]

I dont use avx 512 for anything

[odd siren]

You don't use a 3080ti for anything either

Don't gimme ur sass

[fringe scroll]

And hey man we all like testing new hardware so don't start 🙄

[odd siren]

[fringe scroll]

But but but but

You know damn well I'm gonna end up selling that off eventually too💀

Just for fun🗿

[odd siren]

[fringe scroll]

Do you need a 13900k

How about that sweet sweet 7900xtx

[odd siren]

yes and yes

[fringe scroll]

Damn

LMAO

[odd siren]

do I need a 7950x3d and 4090? no

[fringe scroll]

Mmmm

Wait...

[odd siren]

I ain't waitin for no body

[fringe scroll]

I have nothing better to do with money tbh

[odd siren]

buy a house dingus

[fringe scroll]

IM 15

[odd siren]

Oh I thought you were 13

|| ||

[fringe scroll]

😨

[livid idol]

And with that attitude you won't be buying for sure. Just be born rich, nothing really stops you from buying a house as a minor.

[fringe scroll]

Just be born rich lmaoo

[odd siren]

duh

[fringe scroll]

I'll start saving as soon as I get a job

[odd siren]

reroll for rich family buff

[fringe scroll]

I'm not spending as much as it seems like because I sell everything off when I'm done lol

[odd siren]

find girlfriend with money $$$

[hot bough]

Wait really?

[fringe scroll]

Yeah lmao

[fringe scroll]

THIS

OMG

[odd siren]

you'd be surprised the age of a lot of people here

[hot bough]

xD so a sugar mommy?

[fringe scroll]

Real

I need one of those

[hot bough]

We're the same age.

[odd siren]

😶

[fringe scroll]

Liar

[odd siren]

hey could be sugar daddy too we dunno what Danny likes

[fringe scroll]

HUH

[hot bough]

Fair, fair.

[fringe scroll]

No thanks

[odd siren]

yup that's a 15 year old response alright

[livid idol]

Boy look at all that graphics card talk

[fringe scroll]

💀

[hot bough]

Or one of them Sugar They since for some darn reason people wanna start calling themselves They.

[fringe scroll]

6950xt ocf 6950xt ocf 6950xt ocf 6950xt ocf

[hot bough]

What? I speak the truth but oh well.

[fringe scroll]

But this lol

[fringe scroll]

Oh damn

[hot bough]

Oh I never sell my tech. I am a tech hoarder.

[fringe scroll]

Yeah I have to if I wanna try new stuff

[hot bough]

I work as a house cleaner and marketing agent to save up for all my parts.

[fringe scroll]

YOU ARE NOT 15 LMAO

[livid idol]

I still have my first (gaming) GPU and CPU

I sold off my extra GPUs during the shortage though

[hot bough]

Only times I get rid of my tech is when I move homes in which case I give it to my friends.

[hot bough]

Painful times.....

[lone pond]

I'm poor so I sell all my pc kit when I'm done with it lol

[hot bough]

My computer was breaking down during that period and I had to get a new one causing a I7-10700 RTX 3070 build to be 2k....

[livid idol]

Indeed. Newegg shuffle did me dirty. I "won" the most garbage 3090 in existence.

[fringe scroll]

I would sell the ud4h and 4770k cause I would make a big profit off what i paid butttt my sister snatched it off me

[lone pond]

best possible times for me lol, I got so much free stuff

[hot bough]

Free?

[fringe scroll]

"Free"

[lone pond]

yep. got a 2060 before the shortages, mined on it till I could pay for a 3060, mined some more and got a new case, psu, cpu, board, then sold them both and snagged a 3070 ti. all in all I paid maybe $100 out of pocket by the end of it

[fringe scroll]

Damn

[lone pond]

the post shortages sold the 70 ti, grabbed a 6800 and saved the difference 👌

[fringe scroll]

Equivalent of "20 dollars is 20 dollars"

[hot bough]

Impressive.

[keen nacelle]

I entered 42 times, and "won" a $750 3060 bundle lol

Didn't buy it

Maybe $650?

[livid idol]

Either way 💀

[fringe scroll]

Wtf

How does that work

[livid idol]

It was a dark time in history

[keen nacelle]

It was with some overpriced garbage monitor iirc

[livid idol]

I saw 3060s selling for $900

[fringe scroll]

Well yea

[livid idol]

The shuffle was the "cheap" option

[fringe scroll]

But what do u just win a discount

[livid idol]

You win the right to buy it

[fringe scroll]

Bruh

[livid idol]

You literally couldn't buy a GPU from newegg directly for a while, you had to go through the shuffle.

[keen nacelle]

Mhm

Fun times

[livid idol]

At least that was better than Amazon's solution to the bots

Which was to do nothing because they were raking in the money by overcharging the bots

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/_9NpM19saB0

And it's under 350$ lmao 🤣

[lone pond]

it's also arc tho

[oak rivet]

Well amd is there too

Even the 3060 will age more gracefully then this garbage here

[oak rivet]

Drivers seem to be getting more stable as days go by

Made some huge strides on dead space remake recently

[hot folio]

The April fools Newegg shuffle was great tho

Gotta love the lottery for a teapot

[hot bough]

What kind of bottleneck would I experience by pairing a 4090 to a 5700G?

[oak rivet]

it would be kinda substantial

[hot bough]

xD yeah I just looked at a chart and it seems quite substantial indeed.

Even a 5800x3d is very much so bottlenecked

[vital oriole]

5800x3d doesn't really bottleneck 4090

Unless you're a masochist and put it in 1080p

[hot bough]

I was looking at 1080p xD

[vital oriole]

Yeah lol

Massive cpu bottleneck ensues

[hot bough]

Ik everything bottlenecks a 4090 with the exception of if you have a really well tuned 13900KS.

5800x3D vs 7700X which one wins?

Gaming wise.

[oak rivet]

7700x has the edge

[hot bough]

by a large amount or nah?

Also mhmmm 7900x is quite tempting since I am posponing the order of server parts till I am back in china.

also anyone know why all the X variants of AM4 and AM5 cpus are less expensive than the non x variants on amazon.com.mx?

It's weird...\

[vital oriole]

deals

The x chips also came out before non x ones by a couple months

[hot bough]

mhmmm, I am debating going the cheap route for a 5800x3D quick and dirty swap and saving up for a big upgrade come 8000 series ryzen or spend double and get a 7900x with board and some really cheap DDR5.

How much of a fps boost do you guys think I will get upgrading from a 5700G to 5800x3D? Current gpu is 3070.

[livid idol]

Even at 1440p though, it's still bottlenecked

Just not as pronounced

[fringe scroll]

With a 3070 prob not huge

[vital oriole]

That was my point exactly

1080p would be pain

1440p not really

[fringe scroll]

I noticed a slight improvement from my 5700g to 5900x

With a 6700xt

In select games

[hot bough]

that's the 3070 equivalent of amd right?

[fringe scroll]

Pretty much

[livid idol]

yes

[hot bough]

I wanna up my fps to get a full stable and smooth +144 fps. getting around 70-80 in minecraft, 100 in Halo Infinite (120fps on small maps), and around 100 in MW2 when action is happening.

[livid idol]

1440p

4k

44% faster at 1440p and 59% faster at 4k, and this is with a 5800X3D

[hot bough]

I see.

[livid idol]

So there is a CPU bottleneck at 1440p is the point I guess

For laughs

[hot bough]

hmmm would cpu or gpu upgrade be better to get more frames out of my current setup?

[vital oriole]

Honestly? GPU

[hot bough]

Okay stupid question but 4090 + 5700g? xD

I wanna see if anyone's tested that.

[vital oriole]

Not optimal but I mean, sure

You can do that, but cap fps

[livid idol]

Sure people tested it, what games though

[oak rivet]

I would upgrade gpu first

Saw huge gains from a 2080ti to 3080ti

Even with this cpu 🤷‍♂️

[livid idol]

I'd go XTX this time around

4090 is a meme

[vital oriole]

I really gotta get a better laptop

The old cpu is showing age lmao

FPS falls with youtube running in the background

Especially at 1080p60

[fringe scroll]

4th gen i7 go crazy

[vital oriole]

Except mine has first core used up 24/7

Must be something weird with wifi card or the hdd bay I added, idfk

[hot bough]

RIP

[vital oriole]

But I don't wanna bother dealing with slower wifi or slower storage

Never again with windows booting on hdd

But I'm too broke for a 1tb ssd

[hot bough]

Isn't Nvidia still the better choice for workstation use?

[livid idol]

It depends

Video editing AMD is on par now for example

AV1 apparently works better for streaming/recording

[hot bough]

3D work.

[livid idol]

Like CAD 3D or Blender 3D?

[hot bough]

and ray tracing is a strong preference I like to use it whenever possible.

[hot bough]

Blender work mostly.

[fringe scroll]

3090 like rt

[fringe scroll]

On the 7900xtx

[livid idol]

Blender fully supports AMD now, as of 2021

[fringe scroll]

Fire

[livid idol]

December 2021 specifically

[hot bough]

Found a few RTX 3090 for around the $500 range

500-600.

[livid idol]

That's not bad but if they were mining cards make sure they were maintained well

[fringe scroll]

Make sure it's not another bid

[livid idol]

That too lol

[fringe scroll]

Like the 1070 haha

[hot bough]

used for light ai work.

Oh dammit.

It's a bid but no offers.

[fringe scroll]

LMAO

Yeah they're gonna be like 700

[hot bough]

I even put it on accept offers g0d dammit.

Why do I always have the worst luck.

[fringe scroll]

💀💀

Check local

[hot bough]

How do I do that?

[fringe scroll]

Facebook marketplace

Or u can sort by local

Check hwswap on reddit aswell

[hot bough]

local pickup?

Honestly at this point I feel like best option would be to save up and just do a big upgrade.

[livid idol]

Looks like there's a few auctions for 3090s that ended up around $500-600 in the last month, so if you want to play that game you can try your luck

[hot bough]

Will keep that in mind but I will probably do the better move of just saving up to do a big and proper upgrade.

One last question before I go.

The 3080 ti is has about the same perf as a 3090 right?

If so I'ma keep a eye of those.

[livid idol]

Roughly yes

But less VRAM

[hot bough]

cause I just found one that isn't a bid for $470

Gigabyte 3080 ti

nvm

it's for spare parts

g0d dammit

[fringe scroll]

Yeah they're significantly cheaper

[livid idol]

Funny thing is my 3080 ti beats my old 3090, by a significant amount too

[fringe scroll]

Lmao

Weird

[livid idol]

It was a potato 2x8 pin 3090

The memory overheated when gaming even after a pad swap

[fringe scroll]

Ewww

2x8 too

[livid idol]

🥔

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/27249096/spy/20104822

A full 10% better too, I feel bad for the 3090 tbh

[vital oriole]

https://videocardz.com/newz/rambus-expects-24-gbps-gddr6-memory-production-by-the-end-of-2023

speedier gddr6 on the way

[oak rivet]

This will save the 4060ti

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-sad-pepe-crying-pepe-the-pepe-gif-21617046

[vital oriole]

It won't if the bus if is gonna be 128

[lone pond]

24gbps memory on a 128 bit bus is only about 17% less bandwidth than 14gbps stuff on a 256 bit bus. it might actually ease the bandwidth issue pretty notably. the core is also pretty weak though, so a hypothetical 24gbps 4060 ti would still probably be pretty meh

[vital oriole]

lmao

Accurate

[livid idol]

We already have 22Gbps GDDR6W so I don't see anything using the 24Gbps one, since GDDR7 is expected soon too

Maybe some server card would use it

[lone pond]

it would be easier to slot into existing PCB designs given G6W requires a 64 bit interface iirc, but you may be right for future generations (if they don't already use G7 that is)

[heavy pendant]

G6W is kinda… not useful?

[livid idol]

How so?

[heavy pendant]

Not sure what the point of it is - they’re 64 bit wide GDDR6 ICs

[livid idol]

Double capacity

[heavy pendant]

Double capacity at double the width

[livid idol]

And yet a smaller package size

[heavy pendant]

sure, but most of the problem these days comes from GDDR PHYs being so large

G6W doesn’t solve that

It's why you see such narrow buses on modern GPUs - the PHYs don't really scale on newer nodes

[livid idol]

I think both the new G6 that's coming and G6W would have their applications. It depends on needs. G6W has an advantage of being available now, and not at the end of this year.

[heavy pendant]

if you can run the G6W ICs in clamshell mode, I could see a use case for them

[livid idol]

It would be very useful in server cards

[heavy pendant]

afaik they're two G6 dies in a single package

[livid idol]

Effectively yes

[heavy pendant]

2x16b might be possible, though Samsung has been rather sparse on details

[lone pond]

you can still run normal G6 in clamshell mode though, meaning you can get equal memory density with any given bus width. just with more physical modules

[heavy pendant]

Clamshell mode with normal G6 is kinda pricey

that's the problem

[lone pond]

fair

[heavy pendant]

and I'd assume G6W is quite expensive too

[lone pond]

I imagine it would be much the same with 6W

yeah

[heavy pendant]

The only way out of this situation is higher density DRAM

24gbit density should be coming soon™️

[lone pond]

yep

[heavy pendant]

it'd push the existing 8GB cards up to 12GB, and 12GB up to 18GB

[lone pond]

indeed. although the reduced bandwidth associated with the smaller bus widths is still questionable. faster memory can help a 128 bit card match say a previous gen 192 or even 256 but one, but at a certain point I think it would be nice to increase bandwidth instead of barely matching it lol

[heavy pendant]

they're trying to compensate for the lower bus widths by throwing cache at the problem

but it doesn't really work on lower end cards

[lone pond]

right. and if they slap a gigabyte of adamantine on there I'd be more than happy with it. but until then I can't help but feel it's a questionable decision at best from a performance standpoint. cramming smaller dies into laptops is certainly a plus though

[heavy pendant]

it is a questionable decision, but there's not really much you can do about it

[lone pond]

aye. except for hang onto my GPU a little longer ;)

[heavy pendant]

I guess aside from throwing HBM at the cards...

[lone pond]

I wonder if adamantine or HBM are less expensive. I'd hope the former for intel's sake lol

[heavy pendant]

future generations are probably going to feature PCIe Gen5 as well...

which means even less area for graphics hardware

[next cloud]

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone knows how well the Radeon RX 6600 EAGLE 8G Graphics Card runs with the Ryzen 5600x on Fortnite with high graphics?

[livid idol]

1080p high should be fine

Given most people adjust some settings down a little anyway to be "competitive" anyway

[solid glacier]

Anyone with a 6900xt which driver are u guys using? theres a new one thats a recommnded one that came out 4 days ago and before that one came out april 24th

[hot folio]

I’m using the most updated one

[solid glacier]

from la

this one?

[livid idol]

I typically don't update drivers unless it's a major update with new features or if there's an update that applies to a game that I want to play

With GPUs, if it ain't broke don't fix it

[next cloud]

thank you, that’s the monitor specs im planning on buying anyways

[lone pond]

I've been reliably informed that you need at least a 48GB graphics card to play fortnite at 1080p low these days /s

[fringe scroll]

Yes

[hot folio]

Anyone know the best AIB for 4090s for OC?

[odd siren]

Strix is a meme

Suprim

HoF

[fringe scroll]

You're a meme

You're yellow

[odd siren]

Or #3 cheapest you can buy cos they're all basically capped at 1.1-ish

[fringe scroll]

And drink conke

[odd siren]

You don't know me

[fringe scroll]

I know you

[odd siren]

You can't tell, idodot

[fringe scroll]

RAHHH

[hot folio]

Is Strix actually a joke for the 4090?

[fringe scroll]

It's overkill asf

You're gonna be voltage limited anyway

[odd siren]

Yes. Overpriced af and no real binning

[fringe scroll]

And that

[odd siren]

The white one is even worse

And the rgb is cringe

💀

Also why

You just got an ocf

[fringe scroll]

He likes spending money

[hot folio]

Depressed me = spending problem me

Easy way to tell how I’m feeling, if I’m spending too much im probably depressed af

[fringe scroll]

Oh damn

If there's anything you wanna let off your chest I'm here

[odd siren]

4090 won't make your work experience any better tho

I just would stick to the ocf

[hot folio]

Nah, I’m recovering from getting dumped

[odd siren]

It's such a bae card

[hot folio]

Looks better aesthetically imo

I love my minimal RGB build

[fringe scroll]

Yes

[hot folio]

I only have ram, motherboard and the LED strip on my cpu RGB

[odd siren]

The best builds have little rgb

[fringe scroll]

Is that all?

[hot folio]

…maybe

[fringe scroll]

ALEX

[fringe scroll]

Purty

[heavy pendant]

ASRock detected

[fringe scroll]

Only good asrock product

[odd siren]

Wtf the ocf looks gorgeous with rainbow puke

Did I really just write that?

No it really is winning me over

[fringe scroll]

Damn

[heavy pendant]

they're taking over your brain

[fringe scroll]

How did they manage to make the best 6950xt

[odd siren]

I already simp a lot of asrock stuff

The takeover happened too long ago

[oak rivet]

comes out at 304$ with the promo code

[lone pond]

that's close to ebay prices

it's a ventus, but still

[vital oriole]

Price drops due to the model being unwanted, woo

Still not very interested

[livid idol]

Oh no, that's not just a ventus, that's a G6X ventus. That memory is going to be TOASTY.

[lone pond]

yikes lol

[odd siren]

The "not just a moon but a space station" equivalent of pc graphics

[vital oriole]

yep

[faint olive]

This one made me have to clear the CMOS, just a heads up. Don't know if it was because of EXPO or something else.

[warm belfry]

I have a budget range between 600-800 and I'm looking at the 7900xt or 4070. what is your guys opinion or is there any other card you would recommend

[odd siren]

7900xt easily between those two

It's not even a discussion

Card is closer to a 4080

In pure raster

[livid idol]

Agreed, except in very specific circumstances like "I can't live without having my ray tracing on max in everything I play"

(even though RT has a minimal effect on quality in the vast majority of games)

[oak rivet]

7900xt for sure

[faint olive]

Seems a lot of people aren't paying attention to the VRAM situation Nvidia has gotten themselves into.. both the aging Game Consoles are running 16 GBs

[fringe scroll]

I've seen it make games look worse haha

[warm belfry]

Yeah I was planning to go with 7900xt since modern games are getting more vram intensive but since I don't really care about raytracing seems like a better option

[odd siren]

It's not even about the vram it's just a better experience imo

So much more value for money

[faint olive]

I run a rx7900xtx and it's super smooth.. Been running Jedi Survivor on 4k at max settings with no complaints.

[odd siren]

People give rdna3 flack for bad vr and even that's a debunked claim

I've seen like 1 game have issues and that's it

Only real reasons you go nvidia now are for frame gen/rt, optix and in the more rare instance cuda

[livid idol]

The cuda reason only gets more rare too with more production apps supporting opencl

[odd siren]

Exactly, AMD has finally started cracking the productivity egg

You wouldn't say it about rdna2

[warm belfry]

Also what is amd going to do with those ai chips because rights now there not being used for rdna 3 right

[oak rivet]

Yeah good textures go a long way compared to rt

[odd siren]

Tensor? Not a clue. AMD has real hardware RT this gen tho, so in layman terms they're at least halfway along

There's not a real answer from AMD for ai yet

[oak rivet]

You will beat a 4090 at 1440p

Those Nvidia drivers are heavy

[warm belfry]

yeah probably so just to keep up with Nvidia

[livid idol]

AMD isn't focused on AI yet. Certainly not like Nvidia, who's willing to take a 30% hit in gaming to sell more overpriced cards to servers.

[odd siren]

Probably yeah

[warm belfry]

Do you guys think an 850 watt psu will be fine for either the 7900xt or xtx

[odd siren]

Depends on the cpu

[livid idol]

100%

[warm belfry]

right now I have a 5600x but might go with an 5700x

[odd siren]

What reso will this be

[livid idol]

Nah even a 13900k it's fine. 7900 XTX is a 355W card.

[odd siren]

No

850w is fine but on a 13900k def not

You can push over 900W sustained

[livid idol]

You're not using a full 13900k while gaming though

[odd siren]

Sure but I wouldn't

I'd go 1000w on those two

[warm belfry]

mostly likely 1440p but I would like the possibility for 4k at time since i have a 4k monitor

[oak rivet]

7950x3d chad

[odd siren]

Especially when the PG is a top tdp card and it's the cheapest

[livid idol]

5700X on the other hand is a 65W processor so it's fine

[oak rivet]

More fps and lower power draw 🤷‍♂️

[odd siren]

So not 355W but more like 450W

[odd siren]

If you stay 1440p, go 5800x3d

You'll max out a 5600/5700x

I've seen it first hand

[warm belfry]

really that is good to I'll probably have to wait for a sale then for that cpu

[livid idol]

It's 355W stock still

[faint olive]

I bought 1650W because it was a better deal 🤷🏼‍♂️ just throw anything in there 😂

[odd siren]

Nope

[livid idol]

It might spike a bit higher

[odd siren]

PG is not reference tdp stock

It has entirely different vbios'

[oak rivet]

My 550w psu was fine with a 3080ti

[livid idol]

I'll have to double check with TPU then because others are saying it is 355W

[oak rivet]

I bought a rm750e just soo I could be ready for a 4090

[warm belfry]

I probably don't have plans to overclock so base performance will be fine with me

[odd siren]

MBA is tier 3 tdp, PG is tier 1

[faint olive]

I got the thermaltake 1650 GF3 it was less than 300 bucks 🤔

[livid idol]

Figures it's not on TPU

[odd siren]

@livid idol

PG XTX is 406W+69W is 475W

[faint olive]

Be careful with those connectors 😬

[odd siren]

I love ads, right in the middle of that screenshot one sec

[livid idol]

Even the asrock website doesn't say

[odd siren]

Ya

This is compiled by people who own them

https://www.overclock.net/threads/xfx-rx-7900-xt-xtx-merc-owners-club-force.1803701/

Super detailed rdna 3 thread, highly recommend a read

[livid idol]

And that's the stock limit?

[odd siren]

Ya, sorry mba is tier 4 not 3

Generally the tier 1's rank higher for OC

But since it's based on asic quality (worse is better - counterintuitive), you get occasional exceptions

[oak rivet]

No skill issue here

[fringe scroll]

Safi when cpu to vga 8pin adapter

[livid idol]

Newegg and pcpp both say it's a 355W stock limit

[odd siren]

Thems a goofs

[livid idol]

I guess so

[odd siren]

MBA is 349 lol

[fringe scroll]

[odd siren]

They're probably quoting amd reference material

But these are real numbers

[livid idol]

Lacking evidence to the contrary from official sources I'm inclined to believe you

[odd siren]

It's within margins anyway but aib's dial up the vbios'

[odd siren]

You've got guys like the MPT team and the stilt behind that forum post

[livid idol]

Fair, but that's not an "official source" by my definition

It's a reliable source at least

[odd siren]

Close enough I guess lol

[fringe scroll]

We love mpt

[livid idol]

I'm honestly surprised it's not on TPU, it's been a while already

Maybe I'll check unofficial uploads

[odd siren]

It's handy info to know, cos you can discern each different XT/X depending on the build

$10 more for a reference might make sense for a lower power psu or sff build for example

Or $30 more for the highest end instead of defaulting to a premium like a nitro or liquid devil which can be hundreds more instead

The phantom gaming has been pretty consistent at the low end of the scale tho, and that's a tier 1 with an excellent pcb, albeit they're all reference-based

Merc310 as well, same deal

[livid idol]

Nothing in unofficial uploads either, WTH. TPU usually gets updated really fast.

[odd siren]

Oh you're looking in vbios collection?

[livid idol]

Yeah

[odd siren]

You probably won't find much

Since rdna3 is hardware locked

The whole mpt abandonment is very real

[fringe scroll]

Rip

Why do they like locking stuff down so much smh

[odd siren]

You'll possibly find like, merc vbios' and then suggestions to use a ch834a or whatever the vbios rewrite tool is

[oak rivet]

Wonder if you can make a 7600 touch a 4060ti with some oc

[odd siren]

Hmmm

Ima say unlikely

Maybe with evc

If they even allow it

Which is also, unlikely 💀

Navi 31 has solder points* on the boards but I haven't looked at 7600 boards to see if Navi 33 has it

[livid idol]

Man even the official product page on TPU says 355W https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asrock-rx-7900-xtx-phantom-oc.b9957

[odd siren]

Idk man I've talked to a lot of XTX owners at this point

[fringe scroll]

Don't you own one!??

[odd siren]

Yes

[livid idol]

I believe you tbh it's just so many sources had to get it wrong

[odd siren]

I own 2 tier 1 cards

The power targets as well. Guys running reference cards or sapphire pulses or red devils I've seen complain too many times about the lower limits

[wicked hound]

Because the trend of "you dont own you hardware" is pretty real now-a-days.

[hot folio]

Wait there are cards tiers?

Oh for RDNA3

[odd siren]

Yes, like for either team

[lone pond]

My gpu is one with two switches on it

But how do I know what they like, do, they aren't labeled

And I don't really notice any changes when I flip them

[vital oriole]

It's a switch between bios profiles

[cerulean rover]

What exact GPU?

[vital oriole]

Silent and performance vbios

Or maybe just fan profile itself

[cerulean rover]

If it's really old, it could be switching to a boost profile with slightly higher clocks, if it's newer, prob some kind of eco mode that switches to lower power limit and less aggressive fan curve

[lone pond]

Sapphire Pulse RX 570 4GB UEFI

[vital oriole]

Yah, that's a switch between eco and performance mode then

[lone pond]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z9VD4D/sapphire-radeon-rx-570-4-gb-pulse-uefi-video-card-11266-68-21g

[lone pond]

How am I supposed to know which its in? 😭

[vital oriole]

Check the gpu's manual

There's manuals online if you don't have one on hand

Or watch the boost/fan behavior

[cerulean rover]

Sapphire page is terrible lol

can't find manual so far

[odd siren]

Check with gpu-z

[lone pond]

afaik it doesn't say

[tender violet]

My GPU isn't being detected but it's plugged into my monitor and works can someone help

[dusk veldt]

how are you determining that it isn't detected but it works?

[hasty sphinx]

Is the cable plugged into your GPU or Mobo?

[tender violet]

It works my fault

[lone pond]

This is what 16GB GPUs play like, you need at least a 48GB RTX a6000 for modern titles

[hot bough]

Lmao.

[limber flax]

You need 6234tb vram in 2 years

[lone pond]

at least 1pb by 2026

[limber flax]

Easily

AMD and Nvidia are both being really stingy with their VRAM tbh

Like why only 24gb

Should be 48gb VRAM at lowest sku

And 192gb at highest next gen

It might be enough for the next 5 games that get released

[hot bough]

.....

[lone pond]

need 512 bit xx50 tier GPUs tbh, that should be the minimum. highest end should be at least 1536 bits of the highest end GDDR7

[hot bough]

8gb of Vram is perfectly fine at 1080p

[lone pond]

48 is the new minimum

[hot bough]

If your making the new Tesla Cybertruck model at 8k in 3D sure.

[lone pond]

if you couldn't tell, we're taking the piss lol :p

[hot bough]

I know.

Though realistically 12gb would be a perfectly good minimum amount of Vram for next gen.

With 24-32gb being a good high end amount.

[livid idol]

3060 beating the 3070 in some games at 1080p disagrees. In general sure, if the devs took the time to optimize the graphics then 8GB works. Games where that isn't true are getting more common, however, especially console ports and UE5 games.

As of today 8GB is fine in probably 9/10 new games

[hot bough]

I am speaking generally.

So if there's at least 12gb of Vram next gen that'd honestly be fine considering the lowest skus are meant for 1080p.

[livid idol]

We'll need Nvidia to bring back larger memory bus sizes for that to work

Instead we get the 4060 ti

16GB on 128b bus will not be a good time

8GB is bad enough already

[lone pond]

they're not even using their fastest memory on it

[lone pond]

24Gb modules need to come soon. although more bus width would be nicer considering the extra bandwidth

[livid idol]

Or 22Gb GDDR6W that doubles capacity in a smaller package size

[lone pond]

doesn't solve for bus width though. double capacity modules using double the chanels will give you the same capacity as half the capcity per module using half the number of channels as the G6W stuff

[wicked hound]

DRAM modules arent limited to only 32bit bus width tho. Dont forget 3090 which had 16bit bus width per DRAM module.

[lone pond]

you're limited by the bus width of the GPU. yeah you can clamshell mode more memory on, but you still get the same density with G6W and G6 non W

using a 128 bit bus as an example, you can fit 4x 32 bit memory modules on there, and then you can clamshell on an additional 4 by giving each module access to only 16 bits total. at current 16Gb densities that adds up to 16GB.

using the same 128 bit bus you can fit 2x G6W modules, using the 32Gb density mentioned, you get 8GB. clamshell on an additional two modules and you still have 16GB

[wicked hound]

G6W more solves the pain of a toasty backplate I guess was more what I was getting at. Which I think would be the second main point no one would want to do "typical" clamshell mode on a card with lots of ICs (first is obv money, Nvidia doesnt want to lose money by having cheap stuff compete with their datacenter stuff). Idk if current 24Gbps G6X consumes more power then first revision 21Gbps G6X, if it does then it prolly cant be cooled from a passive backplate.

[nocturne nest]

Would it be worth it for me to invest into a 6800 XT 16gb?