graphics-cards

[fringe scroll]

Wow

Yeah they did

[heady turtle]

it will? that seems like a lot of money for an extra 8gb

i assumed it was gonna be a 3060 8gb situation

[livid idol]

Yeah that's their track record with these things so I'm not surprised that was the assumption

[oak rivet]

4060ti 16g probably will sell well out of pure desperation

Good upsell

[livid idol]

Yeah probably costs them another $25 to make so decent margin on that upgrade

[wicked hound]

It will be same die with same mem bus. So cant be 3060 scenario. At worst would have to be 1060 scenario, which is cut down of same die. Which it also isnt cuz it be confirmed to be same exact die config.

[wicked hound]

Pure desperation of needing VRAM on a 144p card. After all, 720p already needs 48gb. ||/s||

[solemn panther]

144p card. Heh

[heady turtle]

Wow surprising

[rain aspen]

Hi!
How do you compare the different model of a manufacturer using the same GPU???
Example, how should I choose between those Gibabyte 4060? https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX™-4060 ???? Everything seem same, except the size (and the aero is white...)

[lone pond]

they'll all perform basically the same, which is to say that you shouldn't bother with any of them because $300 for a 4060 is daylight robbery

[rain aspen]

What you mean? It's a ripoff, you think??? Or reverse? 🤔

I might go for 4070...

[lone pond]

counteroffer, get a sub $400 used 6800 instead

unless you need CUDA, Nvidia's offerings all suck atm for the most part

[rain aspen]

USED part? no please... I DEFINITELY need to replace with 1660 TI... I might need to check requirements for F1 2023... (are they published yet?)

FOR now, AC Valhalla sucks, almost unplayable 😦

[lone pond]

what's wrong with used?

regardless, Nvidia's lineup sucks

[rain aspen]

Happy Pill, I always been a Intel/Nvidia fanboy... 🥲 Changing for AMD is a big step for me... 😨

[lone pond]

I've been intel/nvidia up until lately. AMD Ryzen and Radeon are both fine

[rain aspen]

and I'm kind of confuse to know what should I get in AMD lineup...

what is 4070 equivalent, BTW?

[lone pond]

6800 xt more or less

AMD hasn't launched an RDNA 3 card that directly competes with it

[rain aspen]

I build a new pc last month, gonna need to change the graphic card soon...

ok thanks...

[lone pond]

The only performance difference you're gonna see if thermals since companies only design and manufacturer the heatsinks on top of the GPU itself

[oak rivet]

Uhh Ac valhalla should be more then playable on a 1660ti

[rain aspen]

@oak rivet Not in a battle! YES it's playable, but with recommended settings, it's lag fearly often, in a battle. Yes, I can walk, jump, sailing on as ship without problems. But in a big battle, it's freeze, sometimes.

[oak rivet]

What's your cpu and resolution

It was fine when I had a 1070ti pretty close in perf to a 1660ti

[hot bough]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204342243773?hash=item2f93bf31bd:g:FwIAAOSwK19kZ4q0&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0JsuUxoJWLlI9PCGPhEH9jcLN16Bs01tG4zyS73ua6qwFE%2BvZw9Rzx%2Fy9%2BKBGTVRsqmltsXyKX8Cfjjd2JiefLmYPnIOxe3Lduy8mj2NAJgikiXZWpi1CrL%2BpEeMcpd0pWA%2BV47jFRu7n2vXXok90%2F5VHEh553Kfb7iVSwjWmHme8%2BUbdNI6sP9mEFTJziULkrSStQenyL%2FOEwFaQfoTV9Su0WqHZ5VWhouWskPmVurXQUYNLTlQ6wuvSfhM1q6RCzotuwnKv232Dqjb%2BymtfbE%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR8Kkoc6GYg
this is tempting? Shall I try to get it for my server?

They also have a 30 day return.

[fringe scroll]

For what you're doing with the server no

[hot bough]

cheaper than the gpu on amazon.

My 10700f needs a gpu.

[fringe scroll]

It's a bid

[fringe scroll]

I'm well aware

[fringe scroll]

You're not getting it for that cheap

[hot bough]

$30?

[vital oriole]

4 days left too

People often bids last minute

[fringe scroll]

Absolutely not

100

[hot bough]

ooof.

[fringe scroll]

90 if you're lucky

[vital oriole]

It will probably reach 100

[hot bough]

Currently waiting to know if they'd even be willing to ship to mx.

[fringe scroll]

1070 isn't a slow card

Also founders makes it worth more for whatever reason

[sacred ether]

Anyone have a rx6600 and have occasional crash problems depending on the game?

[shy flicker]

I was hardcore intel last 2 computer builds. Went with the 7900xtx and its an amazing gpu

dont be afraid bc of a name

[heady turtle]

try reinstalling drivers with the clean reinstall option, and maybe try different driver persons

[limber flax]

Versions

[heady turtle]

Yes that auto correct no worked correctly

[dreamy laurel]

1070ti edges out 1660ti

[dreamy laurel]

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[heady turtle]

Regular amd clean install is actually better than ddu on just reinstalling amd drivers from what I've heard

[dreamy laurel]

Oh ok

[heady turtle]

Error 404, potatoes found

https://tenor.com/view/diy-hack-maker-patato-gun-weekend-project-gif-3411164

[somber vector]

Is the rtx 2080 still worth buying

[livid idol]

Yeah it's a good card for 1440p still

It would depend on what price it's at ofc

[primal dust]

Dumb questions, if I’m looking at a 6750 XT does the brand matter a lot, or should I match it with the motherboard brand? Is three fans usually better than 2?

[livid idol]

In general 3 fans is better but not required unless you're in a hot environment or have a case with bad airflow

(just avoid mech 2x)

[primal dust]

Ah, so not the MSI mech 2x one then?

[livid idol]

Correct. The cheap aluminum heatsink they use means it's the worst model of all.

[primal dust]

AsRock is generally pretty good?

[livid idol]

Yeah asrock GPUs are generally good

[lone pond]

Any 7600 XT benches out or any leaks as far as the price goes?

afaik full navi 33 is called the rx 7600 non XT. nothing on Navi 32 yet, but it's kind of questionable if they'll use cut down N32 for a 600 XT tier product

and if the do use Navi 33 but with an overclock or something, then it's probably not worth considering over the non XT

[solid glacier]

Anyone know what the link is for the windows install on the USB drive

[lone pond]

Hmmm, interesting

Thanks

[solid glacier]

Any chances of fixing a crooked montior? Just realized it’s crooked tilts down

[coral yew]

Would a 3060 Ti be a good option to upgrade from a 2080 super?

[lone pond]

they're literally the same card lol

don't bother

[coral yew]

Well my card is screwed up so I'm trying to find something newer to change to

[lone pond]

if you don't need Nvidia specific features you might want to see about sub $400 rx 6800's on ebay. super neat cards if they're within your budget. if you have a deal on a 3060 ti then that's totally valid too, just be aware that it is basically exactly the same card you're coming from, just more efficient

[coral yew]

Alright thanks

I'd probably want to stick to Nvidia

I like using Ansel

[livid idol]

4070 isn't a terrible deal, and there's the 4060 coming soon we expect to perform like a 3070

[coral yew]

How much might that be? I am looking to switch sometime in the future

Currently the one thing wrong is none of my DP ports work -_-

Then I only have one HDMI port

[livid idol]

The 4060 will be $300, 4060 ti 8gb $400, 16gb $500

[coral yew]

Alright

I'll probably wait and go with a 4060 Ti then

[livid idol]

The 8gb 4060 ti launches in 3 days

[coral yew]

Oh cool

I still will probably wait for next month or so to buy it

[balmy magnet]

I am thinking of the 4060 Ti myself, but wanna see benchmarks before i get it

[livid idol]

It might be a good idea to wait for the 16gb model. There's a couple games that use more than 10gb VRAM at 1080p medium.

That will launch in July

[lone pond]

hopefully by then the 8GB model will have been panned and rotted on shelves long enough for AIBs to drop prices

[livid idol]

It's the first model that's keeping the same price as the previous generation from nvidia

I don't see this one rotting on shelves

[lone pond]

considering it's barely an upgrade over the card it's replacing I'm not so sure

but perhaps I'm wrong

[livid idol]

Says who

[lone pond]

says nvidia lol

their own slides indicated it's basically 3070 performance

and that's nvidia's chart. so 3070 perf at best lol

[livid idol]

Considering the 3070 is still at $450...

[lone pond]

and I'm sure it will remain at $450, but that doesn't take away from the fact that no one is buying 4070/ti's despite them being better value than new 3080's through 3090 ti's. i don't see why this would be any different

plus 3070's are like $300 on ebay, so there's that

[lone pond]

forgive me, I'm tired

better value than new 3080's through 3090's, not used

I need sleep-

[vital oriole]

Efficiency is where it's at though

[lone pond]

Efficiency is the selling point the average gamer probably cares least about tbh. As long as it doesn’t bake me alive in my room (thanks 3070 ti) I couldn’t really care less how much power it pulls

[vital oriole]

Germans does care at least

Most countries doesn't yes, but in some it could sell well

I'm not defending the card, just pointing out of an exception

[livid idol]

DLSS 3.0 then. Better ray tracing. As much as those don't matter those are actual selling points.

[vital oriole]

And those too

[lone pond]

Europeans aren’t real people. /j

But more seriously, even if you pay a lot per kw of energy, the actual cost to run your pc for a few hours every is still pretty negligible. The argument of cost over time from power draw has always sounded dumb to me, because it’s basically meaningless unless you either play games for a living or are an actual child who has infinite free time because no job

[vital oriole]

Thing is, 3070 is still like 2x the consumption of a 4070

Or 1.5x

4060ti is similar case

Perf gains are disappointing and all, but Nvidia is clearly selling DLSS and efficiency, they don't wanna sell hardware itself too much. Gotta keep the margins high lel

[lone pond]

Sure, but 1.5x a small number (ie cost to run a card for a few hours a day for a year) is still a pretty small number. Percentages are meaningless in absence of what they actually work out to be

[vital oriole]

If it doesn't make a difference, then how come does 4070ti sell well when it released in germany? Let alone 4070, that thing sells even better because of lower price

Considering 6950XT has gotten cheap there too

Sure you can say people prefers Nvidia more than AMD, but I don't think they'd pass up a top end gpu for similar price as lower tier ones

[lone pond]

You’re asking the wrong question. A card selling well doesn’t mean it makes sense, it means people think it makes sense. Which is a fair point, sure. There are some regions where I’m sure a 4060 ti will sell well. But overall it’s probably going to be lackluster. See the 4070 ti not selling well despite selling well in Germany by your own estimation

[livid idol]

Power cost in germany apparently dropped 40% in March, they're down to 0.11 euro per kWh

[vital oriole]

I was simply pointing out that they have a selling point in places that they can sell

I agree it makes no sense everywhere else

[vital oriole]

Hm, that's nice then

[lone pond]

Adding onto this, if you play two hours of games every day for a year on a 250w card at $0.40 per kw, that only adds up to $73 USD per year in electricity cost from the GPU. assuming a 4060 ti pulls around 160w, that’s only going to drop by $20 vs a 250w 3070

And that’s at $0.40 USD per kw, which is utter insanity

[lone pond]

Absolutely, that’s totally valid. I’m only pointing out that overall it’s not going to sell well, and that your own point is evidence of that. The 4070 ti sold well in Germany, and yet overall sold poorly. The same will likely be true of a 4060 ti

[livid idol]

Who only has 2 hour gaming sessions though ||/jk||

[vital oriole]

Yeah, that's valid too

[lone pond]

People with jobs 😭

lol

[livid idol]

I know that pain all too well

[vital oriole]

I still enjoy seeing Nvidia having to freeze production on 4070 with how poorly it sold

In order to keep prices from sinking

[livid idol]

I've been trading sleep for gaming lately, I need to stop

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go trade sleep for gaming

[lone pond]

hehe, I’m going to do the opposite. I’ve gotta be up in 5 hours so I’m going to dip. Nice chatting, cya around <3

[vital oriole]

Good night

[livid idol]

g'night

[lone pond]

thank you!

[coral yew]

If I were to get a 4060 Ti would I need to get a new PSU? Currently running a 650W

[livid idol]

Nah

Even a C tier 650W could handle it easily

[coral yew]

Alright

Had someone else telling me I needed to and really don't want to have to so figured I'd ask here too lol

I felt like I shouldn't

[livid idol]

It's a 160W GPU lol

[coral yew]

Ah lol

Oh nice these cards have two HDMIs instead of just one

[livid idol]

Maybe they meant for the 12VHPWR connector, but it'll come with an adapter

[coral yew]

Cool

Yeah I was just looking to see if I could see the power connector

I don't see one in the images I just looked at

[livid idol]

All of the 40 series cards use one 12VHPWR connection

[coral yew]

Alright

[livid idol]

Except potentially the 4090 ti if it ever exists in the outside world, which would have 2

[coral yew]

This one looks like it has a regular 8-pin

And just one

[livid idol]

That's possible. There was rumors of some AIBs deciding F the rules and putting the 8 pin

[coral yew]

Huh

Yeah

[livid idol]

One 8 pin would be capable of handling 150W (according to spec) plus 75W of slot power, for a max of ~225W without breaking spec

[coral yew]

Cool

Yeah this one says it draws 115W and recommends a 500W power supply

My current recommended a 700W lmao

I haven't noticed how efficient they've become since

[livid idol]

Newegg is tripping

OFC it's the lowest price in 30 days

[coral yew]

Lmao

[livid idol]

It didn't exist 30 days ago 🙃

[coral yew]

I just got paid apparently

Lol

I'm probably waiting to buy this in July for the 12GB variant

I definitely need more VRAM

[livid idol]

*16GB

[coral yew]

Oh damn

[livid idol]

More will serve you better in the long run yeah

[coral yew]

8GB works pretty well for me atm but I do plan to try newer games eventually so it'd help to have that extra VRAM

One of them being Ark II

Going to buy Ark Ascended when that releases

[livid idol]

There's some games where you'd get a really bad experience even at 1080p right now, like hogwarts and tlou

With only 8GB that is

[coral yew]

What's tlou?

[livid idol]

the last of us

[coral yew]

And I don't plan to even touch hogwarts

Ah

[livid idol]

Game devs are sick of having to optimize and compress for such low amounts of vram so we can expect the requirements to only get higher as more games come out

[coral yew]

Yeah

[livid idol]

Thanks nvidia for forcing so many people to use 8GB for 4 generations

[coral yew]

Yeah I was wanting to get more vram but saw that that literally was not an option unless I got a 3060

[livid idol]

It's really sad yeah. Some games the 3060 is actually beating the 3060 ti now despite the average performance gap thanks to the vram.

[coral yew]

Dang

Also I'm assuming the 4060 Ti will work better with raytracing than my current gpu?

[livid idol]

The 8GB vs 16GB 4060 ti reminds me of when nvidia pulled this the first time, with the 1060 3GB and 6GB.

3GB was enough... for a time

[coral yew]

Yeah

[livid idol]

Now it's less than the minimum in so many things

[livid idol]

yes 100%

[coral yew]

I had a 1050 Ti which had 4GB lmao

Cool

I liked playing with raytracing but it performs horribly without me lowering the other specs

[livid idol]

DLSS 3.0 is cool too for games that use it

20 series was never going to be good at RT

[coral yew]

Quite a few of my games do so that will be nice lol

Fair

That was kinda why I wanted a 2080 honestly was mainly RTX

I bought it around when it first released

Surprisingly I guessed well on when I'd retire it

It's the longest lasting component in my PC

Well other than RAM

[livid idol]

Wow that's unusual

[coral yew]

I've only added more RAM

Well when you buy an 8th gen CPU to pair with a 2080...

[livid idol]

A lot of people do the opposite, they'll get a better CPU before they get a GPU because it's cheaper and a lot of people play at 1080p where the CPU matters a lot

[coral yew]

I just play at 1080p because I don't notice much difference between 1080p and 4k

So never saw point in buying a 4k monitor

[livid idol]

65% of people on the Steam survey still play at 1080p

4k is nice but you need a very large monitor to enjoy it properly

[coral yew]

I have a 27" and a 32" curved display

[livid idol]

I'm very content with 27" 1440p. At 24" 1080p is great still.

[coral yew]

I also have a drawing tablet I tend to use more as a display than a drawing tablet XD

[livid idol]

If you count lower resolutions, it's 77% of people at or below 1080p

[coral yew]

Dang

[livid idol]

So that would include 16:10 resolutions on laptops for example

[coral yew]

Also probably doesn't help my monitors were gifts

Which I also helped pick out and really hertz mattered more to me than resolution tbh

[livid idol]

Surprisingly 5% are still on 720p

[coral yew]

Dang

My 27" display is 144Hz and the 32" is 60Hz

[livid idol]

Every phone I've owned in the last decade has had at least 1080p lol

[coral yew]

Lol same

Also yeah my original build was a i5-9400F, 16GB RAM, and the RTX 2080 super

Oh I was wrong it was 9th gen

[livid idol]

I had a moment of doubt but I double checked, a decade ago I was running a LG G2 which does in fact have 1080p.

[coral yew]

Dang

[oak rivet]

With dlss and fsr even more people are at 1080p or below

[livid idol]

Well, yes, but the survey doesn't check rendered resolution only monitor resolution

[supple grove]

I was on 720p 32" 60hz for 4-5 years before I got a new monitor

It was fine, but right now I have a 32" 1440p 144hz monitor, and it's also ips compared to va

So miles ahead

[hasty sphinx]

Going back is almost impossible huh

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLk8xzePDg8

🍿

[lone pond]

kek

what a shocker, it performed exactly as expected

[oak rivet]

wanna see something hilarious

[oak rivet]

[lone pond]

tremendous gains, nvidia

I applaud this new GPU

[livid idol]

Uh oh https://youtu.be/Y2b0MWGwK_U

[vital oriole]

waste of sand again

[livid idol]

Oh no it matches the 3060 ti

[vital oriole]

..yep, as expected

[livid idol]

Oh Nvidia what have you done

[vital oriole]

128 bit vram bus is lethargic

give back 192

128 is like so 2012

[oak rivet]

barely matching a 2080ti at 1080p

[vital oriole]

ye

3060ti pretty much

[livid idol]

Now Steve is comparing it to Skylake and that is NOT a good thing

[oak rivet]

which steve

[livid idol]

GN

Dang GN does not hold back when they roast a product

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-gif-15192144

[oak rivet]

give some recap

i find him hard to watch compared to hub

[livid idol]

Someone slap Linus. His review is too positive.

I'll recap GN in a bit, gotta drive

[keen nacelle]

Damn, literally just a renamed 3060 ti for the same price

That's hilarious

[fringe scroll]

3060ti with dlss3💀

[keen nacelle]

I want whatever nvidias smoking

[oak rivet]

Which requires more vram to utilize properly

[keen nacelle]

First a renamed 3080 for $100 less, now a renamed 3060 ti for the same price lol

[oak rivet]

A recap of everyone

[livid idol]

No, see, you just enable re-bar so you can use system memory, and hope you have enough of that. Which a lot of 1080p gamers don't. And many don't have re-bar without bios modding.

[odd siren]

Dang nvidia, I didn't think you could do worse than the 4070 but here we are

3070 for $400 - 4060 Ti

Congrats

A grand total 10% improvement over 2 years

I like how HWUB is listed twice in that twitter post

[livid idol]

"2016 called, it wants it's resolution back"
"One of the worst GPU launches we've ever covered"
"Nvidia marketing is focused on 1080p because at higher resolutions, performance falls off a cliff and plummets into oblivion so far we expected an Imperial guard to show up"
"embarrassingly impotent GPU"
"The A770 is starting to look good"
"Revolutionary generation to generation consistency"
"16GB can't save this GPU, it's impotence is insurmountable"
"This card may be dead on arrival, and the worst card they've produced in years... it's at Intel skylake on skylake on skylake level of limp product"
"We're at waste of sand levels, and rapidly descending. Soon to be a waste of molecules."
"This is actually unbelievable, like bad"

All that in just the first half of the video.

[livid idol]

It's not even that, it's only about 2-4% better than the 3060 ti. You can overclock a 3060 ti and get that in 15 minutes.

[odd siren]

I haven't watched reviews but that just makes it a joke

[livid idol]

It is a joke. Nvidia shot itself in the foot and then tried to hobble across the tracks. Toot toot, here comes AMD with the 7600 in a couple days.

[odd siren]

7600 about to rock the scene

Not as quick but it's poised to undercut

OH NO

@livid idol

256 bit bus vs 128 bit

The older card is better in workstation

[livid idol]

Yep that's what they shot themselves in the foot with

[odd siren]

Hahahahaha

[livid idol]

Or maybe you could say threw themselves in front of a bus?

[odd siren]

Skylake on skylake is great take

This gpu is doa

[livid idol]

AV1 is the only new "worth it" feature and that's still a niche feature

[odd siren]

That's purely encode support

3060Ti has decode

[livid idol]

Yeah it's good for streaming to youtube

But that's about it

[odd siren]

So for literally 97% of people this is basically worse or stagnation

[fringe scroll]

Real

[odd siren]

You got the streamers who must use AV1, and you got the 1%'ers obsessed with frame gen

[fringe scroll]

Cough

[livid idol]

It doesn't even get high enough fps for frame gen to look good

[odd siren]

Imagine being able to buy the same perf for 50 less - 6700XT

[fringe scroll]

I want fsr 3

[odd siren]

[livid idol]

I do love that nvidia compared in their slides, 3060 ti with DLSS 2.0 vs 4060 ti DLSS 3.0 frame gen. What an improvement in fps!

[fringe scroll]

Or used like the guy who paid 260 for mine💀

[odd siren]

Almost tempted to just give up on 50 series

These numbers are sad, 2 gpus in a row now that look disgusting

[fringe scroll]

Yeah?

[odd siren]

4060 is gonna look worse

[livid idol]

It gets better if you think a couple months into the future. When the 4060 ti 16GB comes out at $500 it'll be competing with the 6800 XT

[fringe scroll]

Is there any recent news on the new fsr

And whether or not it will actually be decent

[odd siren]

Idk

I have been out of the loop for a few days now

[fringe scroll]

Dang

[odd siren]

I imagine that

Given rdna 3 has proper ai acceleration

It'll be something proper itself

[fringe scroll]

Well for rdna 2

[odd siren]

I've seen that they're bringing frame gen

[odd siren]

No clue, probably still something there

[fringe scroll]

Ok then

We'll see

Ehh who needs upscalling

[odd siren]

Honestly no one

Just live with your proper reso

[fringe scroll]

Just brute force your way with 6950xt

🗿

[fringe scroll]

Brutus force

[livid idol]

I use DSR all the time. I like older games. Plus having the secondary monitor as "1440p" upscaled on the desktop from 1080p makes the cursor movement across them more natural.

[odd siren]

It's really sad that the only two gpus worth something in 40 series is the halo card and the card everyone screamed about until it got a 100$ cut

I like that the 4090 was a huge bonus forward, but they didn't need to facilitate such exact price to perf scaling so every dollar gives a return like this

[livid idol]

I'm glad to see that everyone is mostly on the same page. This sucks. Nvidia, do better or else.

[odd siren]

Well it's disgusting

At this rate the 4050 will make tangible sense cos the rest look horrible

[fringe scroll]

Or else nothing tho because there's so many people who don't know better

[odd siren]

4050 is a literal 3060 6gb

[livid idol]

Why do you think so many people still have a 1060/1650/1660. They know it's not worth upgrading.

[odd siren]

What worries me the most is people will still buy it

Duopoly perks

[fringe scroll]

Yeah

[livid idol]

Oh yeah people will buy it, when they're forced to.

[odd siren]

No normie would look this close

Nah man, bigger number better

[fringe scroll]

Real

[odd siren]

I still see fanatics over these cards

Enthusiasts will be the ones waking up to it

[fringe scroll]

Floppa said the ocf has the best pcb

Will this matter at all!?!??

[odd siren]

It does

[fringe scroll]

Unless I'm sub ambient

[odd siren]

6950 ocf right

[fringe scroll]

Yuh

[odd siren]

Yes

By far

[fringe scroll]

Sorry missed that part lmao

[odd siren]

Including current gen

It's above and beyond

[fringe scroll]

What's so special about it

[odd siren]

The power delivery is insane

[livid idol]

Better, more stable power = better, more stable clocks

[odd siren]

21 phase @ 90A*

For a 450W card

[fringe scroll]

Oh damn

Wtf

😭

[odd siren]

It runs amongst even the 4090's

But the filtering is also stacked

And the chip is binned

[livid idol]

Put 1kW vbios on it and don't even worry about exploding

[fringe scroll]

I didnt know the power delivery was better

[odd siren]

The cooler can run 525W easy

[fringe scroll]

My supernova tho

[odd siren]

You could honestly run more and the chip would die first before the board

[livid idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h48ozMZP70Y

[odd siren]

And that's even if you could

6950 won't draw anywhere near the nominal 1500-ish watts

So it's just like

Insane overkill

[fringe scroll]

Wonder how much power I could get away with

On my 750w

Daisy chain fun

[odd siren]

You could very easily bench and trip ur psu

[fringe scroll]

Well duh but I wonder how high I could set the limit before I need to worry about tripping over current protection

[odd siren]

Idk

[fringe scroll]

Inb4 I melt my 2 8pins

[odd siren]

I'd avoid daisy chaining that but anw

You're going beyond spec

[fringe scroll]

💀

[fringe scroll]

I kinda have too unless I get a sketchy adapter

[odd siren]

Or a better psu

And go 6900xt instead

Be sane with ur choices

[fringe scroll]

I just bought this mf lmaooo

Rip

Anyway

Yeah psu

[odd siren]

||inb4 delid||

[fringe scroll]

Delid my psu

Yes

[odd siren]

Yez

Open the lid on that box

Unlid

Youtube.com/dannyboi13

Psu unlidding 2023

[fringe scroll]

13

[odd siren]

Evga edition

[fringe scroll]

Yes

[odd siren]

Sponsored by wegg

[odd siren]

13

[fringe scroll]

Supernova gt go kaboom

[fringe scroll]

It would be cool if I could use the extra cpu 8pin but can't 💀

Why would they add that but not an extra pcie 8pin smh

Ok whatever used psu time

[livid idol]

Supernova, you think it's over but
A supernova don't stop

[fringe scroll]

Yuhh

[livid idol]

||sorry I like powerman 5000 lol||

[fringe scroll]

LOL

[fringe scroll]

Do I take the risk of a used 850w💀

[livid idol]

Nah don't worry about it. 750W is actually fine for a 6950 XT. As long as you don't try to push 500W.

[fringe scroll]

Yeah hmm

My cables will be fine anyway I mean floppa pulled 500w throughout an 8 and 6 pin 💀

[livid idol]

Yep it'll be fine

I've seen 1200W through two 8 pins also

[fringe scroll]

It's a good 750w atleast

[fringe scroll]

Damnnn

[heady turtle]

Wow the 4060ti sucks

[stiff finch]

Always has been

[heady turtle]

Yeah but it suck sucks

[keen nacelle]

I'm assuming huge price cuts will follow soon, once they see how absolutely awful sales are

I'd say $300 would be the most I'd pay for it

$400 4060 ti, vs $270 6700... hmm /j

[lone pond]

$300 for the 16GB model tbh

[heady turtle]

nah 300 for 8gb and 350 for the 16gb would have been fine

[lone pond]

Soooo, there’s still hope for the 7600 XT?

[heady turtle]

always has been

[rain aspen]

I'm lost... Should I simply go for a good 3060, 4070 TI or AMD with 7900 xt????
BTW, still waiting for canadian price for the 4060 TI 8gb... 😑

[hot bough]

Ray tracing/DLSS: RTX 4070 TI
Rasterization: 7900XT

[rain aspen]

got it

[hot bough]

also one more thing.

Apparently google might be integrating a type of DLSS into chrome so you'd need a RTX 30/40 series to use that.

@rain aspen

[heady turtle]

3060 is not even in that class and 4060ti is a laughing stock so not that any way

[wicked hound]

Well, that is what you get for trying to market a XX50 tier card as a XX60Ti ig.

Might even be worse now that actual data is out and I can get proper perf curve

[heady turtle]

honestly, its 4060 at best

[wicked hound]

I looked at GNs video, going to look at others soon. But it didnt even come to 3070 raster perf in FHD. That means my Ada spec/perf curve overestimated what 4060Ti would be. So the 4060Ti might actually be below historical XX50 tier when basing off of % perf to full die card.

[heady turtle]

It perfed like a 6700xt in ltts vid I haven't watched others

[odd siren]

The more I think about this the worse my feelings get about it - instead of jacking up the price $100 like they did the 4070 and failed, they've given us the same price but less performance than the expected uplift

In other words Nvidia just pulled the scumbag move and it's got it's just desserts

[lone pond]

a 15% price drop for a card only 5% better than its last gen counterpart is pretty meh imo. I'll meet you in the middle at $325 ;)

[heady turtle]

Agree but at least it would actually save you money then

[oak rivet]

https://wccftech.com/amd-fsr-3-might-generate-up-to-4-interpolated-frames-be-enabled-on-driver-side/

If it is driver side gtx cards won't be able to use it

[oak rivet]

Lol can see eye to eye with tech deals on this one

[spare relic]

I eat VRAM for breakfast

PCB and silicon strudel

[lone pond]

I used a 3070 ti at 1440p on high and ran out of vram on pretty much all of the games I played that weren’t indie or early 2000’s titles

[fringe scroll]

Ok

[oak rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[noble cave]

Sheeeeeeeeesh my EVGA 2080 Super XC Ultra undervolted replaced with an ASRock 7900XT stock yielded a very impressive and pleasing result! I was not expecting this much performance increase https://i.imgur.com/QG4x6mC.png https://i.imgur.com/PEdsfct.png

[wicked hound]

You know, updating my "Random collection of 💩y GPU data" with 4060Ti stuff, XX90 isnt really even a new perf tier tbf. It's just the "low tier" Titan that Nvidia sometimes releases (Titan vs Titan Black, Titan Xp vs Titan XP). Except now it's at "high tier" Titan prices with 2x inflation increase and without special drivers. How fun.

[odd siren]

OH GOD

I BOUGHT ONE

[wicked hound]

I mean yeah, but also Nvidia did drop the ball with not doubling VRAM on Ampere like their historical standard (double VRAM every two gens).

Game dev companies are getting more lax with optimization, who knows what'll be what in the next few years. It isnt a confirmed "This GPU dead now", but it is concerning.

[odd siren]

Ofc it can be concerning, but at the same time, 5 minutes of tuning your settings can fix 99% of it

People have these lofty expectations of mid range cards

Meanwhile my 6gb vram experience has been absolutely dandy

[wicked hound]

Speaking of fun VRAM issues tho: My 3GB experience was interesting when I didnt know Discord took 900mb of VRAM.

[odd siren]

Me too

[livid idol]

Don't forget when nvidia was enabling screen recording by default and using 1.5gb at 1080p

[wicked hound]

GFE? I havent used that in ages so I wouldnt remember

[livid idol]

Yeah shadowplay

It's going to become more of an issue as time goes on, we already have at least 5 games that use more than 8GB at 1080p

[vital oriole]

That's certainly true

[livid idol]

1080p gamers

That's the majority

[vital oriole]

Everyone is in the wrong in this mess

[livid idol]

You'd expect your $400 video card to do better than 1080p low this day and age

[vital oriole]

GPU makers not giving more vram at a fast enough rate, and games getting increasingly vram demanding

But tbh, suddenly invalidating 8gb vram people is dumb

Cause this amount has been around for many years

Imagine watching your 2080 suddenly become unusable cuz "oops we don't use less than 8 gigs"

[wicked hound]

tbf I think it might be soon with Console VRAM being able to reasonable cap out at 8GB - 10GB. Combined with even not great PC port optimization that could be 10GB+ of VRAM usage at the same experience, which a 4060Ti has enough perf to do.

[livid idol]

Yeah it's fine for now but what I really want is to make people aware that this is a rapidly evolving problem. UE5 games are coming that are going to suck even more VRAM.

[vital oriole]

rip people with older gpus then

Ironically enough 1650 is sitting on #1 spot on steam

That says something about people

[livid idol]

TLOU uses 9GB at 1080p low

You literally need DLSS just to run it at 1080p

[vital oriole]

tfw you can emulate tlou from ps3 and it will run better and use less vram

[livid idol]

Have you checked for texture pop in and LOD issues?

[vital oriole]

i also think some games adjust vram usage according to the gpu's amount

or simply deferring to ssd

or even ram

[livid idol]

There's games that won't outright crash but will fail to load high res textures when it runs out of vram

[vital oriole]

I want 4050 laptop

6 gigs vram sure but currently I'm on 2

[wicked hound]

Yes you can dial back settings, but this comes to the principle bottleneck kind of thing. It's the thing that will eternally piss you off that Nvidia and game devs did big dumb and you paid a high price for low tier perf. Or you paid basically console price on just the GPU alone for it to be "wrecked" by said console despite said GPU having everything but one tiny issue to beat the console. It's just the kind of thing that you keep getting annoyed about, I prolly would if VRAM issues and only VRAM issues became the norm for me.

[livid idol]

Time stamped https://youtu.be/WLk8xzePDg8?t=1142

[vital oriole]

I mean even amd isn't really free from this

[wicked hound]

DLSS?

[vital oriole]

The loud small %

^

I just have to butt in sometimes cuz it can get out of hand

[livid idol]

Callisto protocol becomes a stuttery mess at 1080p high, not even max

fair

[vital oriole]

tbf

[livid idol]

Plague tale too tho

[vital oriole]

Modern games looks good enough for me even on low

It's not like roblox or something

[wicked hound]

tbf there needs to be a balance of "need more VRAM" and "its fine" train. Give Nvidia an inch and they'll take a mile. The supposed last minute 16gb 4060Ti being released is cuz of "need more VRAM" most likely. Also remember that issues like these start out small, cuz it's literally a growing type problem.

[vital oriole]

Nvidia is getting bitten in their ass for 4070 selling poorly at least

[hot folio]

Really? I just played through it at 1440p high settings and I didn’t get a single stutter

[livid idol]

RT off probably?

[vital oriole]

You got 6950xt

smh

[livid idol]

Oh yeah that'll do it lol

Plenty of vram

[vital oriole]

I want used 3060 laptops more than anything tbh

[wicked hound]

Cuz of this, I do feel like the current complaints are warranted. Not cuz it's a major issue rn, but cuz Nvidia will take the mile.

[vital oriole]

Complaining does nothing though

Best way is to not buy the gpus

[hot folio]

Didn’t go above 6-7Gb of vram usage tho with RT on

[vital oriole]

That hurts em directly

[livid idol]

22:21 shows Plague Tale 1080p high RT on https://youtu.be/WLk8xzePDg8?t=1142

[hot folio]

I’ll launch it up soon, I’ll take another look

[vital oriole]

Nvidia be selling DLSS 3

Not gpu, but DLSS

[livid idol]

It's the third gen of RT and nvidia is still selling it hard. I think it's valid.

[wicked hound]

Poor 4070 sales + poor 4060Ti perf + lots of pre-launch controversy online looks to have made Nvidia make a last minute 4060Ti 16GB. Idk if we'd get that without the online controversy (assuming 4060Ti 16GB was last minute).

[vital oriole]

I doubt 4060ti 16 will be faster

Sure it has moar vram to use but bus width is still a mere 128 bit

[wicked hound]

It wont be faster for exception of games that have VRAM issues

[vital oriole]

Of course

For an additional $50, yey

[wicked hound]

Same exact card

$100

[livid idol]

The average user would hear the marketing and think "RT gud, make gaem pritty"

[vital oriole]

$100, right

btw 4060ti is already like $500 here in thailand

7% vat

If I add $100 4070 is already within possibility

[livid idol]

And they should think otherwise because the 6700/6750 XT beats it for cheaper

[wicked hound]

I found it funni that AMD beat Nvidia in hecking RT

[vital oriole]

In which way?

We haven't seen 7600 reviews yet ree

I wanna see the 7600 reviewed so badly

[wicked hound]

6700/6750xt

[vital oriole]

Last gen lowered price though

That's why I wanna see 7000 offerings

[livid idol]

7600 soon, we'll see how screwed low end is in a a few days

[vital oriole]

7600 is already on Amazon

[livid idol]

Yeah I mean reviews

[vital oriole]

$269 is good if it performs like anything i hope to be

watch it be 4060 perf

which is.. mildly underwhelming

[livid idol]

If it can beat the 3060 I'll be happy at that price

[vital oriole]

yeah

[livid idol]

3060 is still more expensive than that

[vital oriole]

wait a year maybe and watch 7600 drop to $200 new

stonks indeed

[livid idol]

Cheapest 3060 is $310 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sM8bt6/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-gaming-twin-edge-oc-video-card-zt-a30600h-10m

[vital oriole]

below msrp but not good price

[livid idol]

I want what nvidia is smoking

[vital oriole]

3060's msrp was 329

[livid idol]

Yeah it only took 2 years lol

[vital oriole]

yep

too little, too late

[livid idol]

Nvidia's excuse that more vram is more expensive is BS. Not only has AMD shown that it's still very profitable with more, independent market analysis indicates that 8GB of GDDR6X VRAM should cost $25 when bought wholesale.

[odd siren]

I still can't believe they're basically selling us a cheaper cut down version of a 3060 Ti at the same price as if it was better

[livid idol]

But AV1!

[wicked hound]

What density ICs and what binning tho? 21Gbps to 24Gbps is apparently 40% in price more allegedly.

[livid idol]

The same kind they used on the 4060 ti

[wicked hound]

4060Ti is 6 not 6X?

[livid idol]

I probably misremembered a detail then

Not sure which detail but the price was definitely $25 to go from 8GB to 16GB on the 4060 ti

[wicked hound]

Yeah no way it costs $100 extra even with industry standard 3x price increase from BOM

[livid idol]

We should be using G6W by now anyway

Double capacity AND performance

Same package height

[wicked hound]

Isnt it same perf at same bus width? Each 6W chip has two 32bit channels instead of one 32bit channel. So one 6W chip will pretty easily double perf compared to 6X.

But when used on GPUs that never increase bus width generationally (Thanks Nvidia and AMD, also most likely mainly TSMC), bandwidth wont be increased

[livid idol]

Yes it's 2x32 instead of 1x32

Oh actually it was a shorter package height, my bad

[hot folio]

Is the 4060ti seriously just a glorified 3060ti?

[wicked hound]

At high occupancy workloads (2160p), yes

[livid idol]

Yeah pretty much

1440p it gets a couple more frames than 3060 ti

1080p it gets close to a 3070 in some titles

Occasionally beats it, like in Forza

[hot folio]

Lol another 2060 super vs 3060 situation

[livid idol]

And when the 16GB model comes out it'll be another 1060 3GB vs 6GB situation

[hot folio]

I forgot the 3Gb 1060 existed

[livid idol]

Except that time the 3GB was actually slightly worse core

[hot folio]

Was the 4Gb vs 8Gb RX480 a big difference?

[livid idol]

This time it's the opposite, but still somehow bad if you think about it

Yeah especially these days, 4GB is not enough any more

GDDR7 is coming soon too

We'll hopefully see refreshes of current gen with G6W and next gen will have G7

[hot folio]

3060 GDDR7

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/QqUkq_F3-Ko

6700xt ripping it a new one

[vital oriole]

don't trash it no more, nvidia will cry

or just halt production

[livid idol]

Well... halting isn't really an option. They're locked into buying the silicon already.

They already tried to get out of that and TSMC said "oh hell naw we got a contract"

[vital oriole]

lolol

That's even funnier

[odd siren]

Worse. For anything that isn't gaming or lower power draw, it's worse

Av1 encode? FG? Meh

Not a big deal at this tier

Especially when new gen cpu's can do AV1 even though it's slow af

[livid idol]

AV1 needs more adoption to be a selling point anyway. It's only just been added to youtube. Plex can use it but the target device needs to support AV1 decode so it's pretty limited.

[wicked hound]

Any CPU that can reasonable work can do software AV1 encode slowly. But RPL doesnt have QSV V9 (AV1 hardware encoding).

[livid idol]

Software encoding will murder a 16 core CPU

[odd siren]

Does it not?

[livid idol]

(at 4k)

[livid idol]

Not until Arc iGPU replaces the current one

[oak rivet]

Frame gen increases vram usage which it is already at the edge

[odd siren]

Ah ok yeah I looked it up, I thought the 770 was like some arc derivative

My bad

[livid idol]

Weird when it's rendering at a lower resolution too

[oak rivet]

Yes in forza frame gen decreases perf and stutters all over the place

Need like 500mb to spare to see decent gains

Also the card is pcie 4.0 8x

Soo wonder if it loses perf on gen3 systems

[livid idol]

Not much, Roman tested that

He ran it at 4.0 x4 mode to simulate 3.0 x8

[odd siren]

Can't wait for the x4 4.0 128bit bus 4060 8gb for 300$

3060 8gb performance for 50$ more

Sorry did I say $250? Cos they don't sell for that do they 💀

[fringe scroll]

That's what I'm gonna do, 100dollars cheaper on wegg and is practically the same thing when overclocked just slightly slower memory

[fringe scroll]

@grizzled nimbus I've made up my mind

[grizzled nimbus]

hm?

[fringe scroll]

6900xt

No 50

It's 100 coin cheaper

[grizzled nimbus]

used?

[fringe scroll]

Open box

[grizzled nimbus]

6900xt's are usually more expensive new lol

[fringe scroll]

On wegg

[grizzled nimbus]

what model?

[fringe scroll]

For ocf

[grizzled nimbus]

heavily dictates your oc

wegg open model is very iffy, good luck

[fringe scroll]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx6900xt-ocf-16g/p/N82E16814930057R?Item=N82E16814930057R&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-930-057R-_-05242023

[fringe scroll]

Oh?

[grizzled nimbus]

youll be able to get your money back if it doesnt work but make sure you document everything

video opening it, take photos, and do a real stability test

[fringe scroll]

Okay, I'll keep it on the back burner for now

[grizzled nimbus]

🫡

[oak rivet]

official amd claims

[hasty sphinx]

I have a XFX RX 580 GTS XXX Edition 8gb that runs good in the temp department. No OC. However, I noticed in games that I often get screen tearing. I've set vsync on/off, reinstalled drivers (this also happens on a fresh install of windows with fresh install of drivers) I was wondering if this means that it's towards the end of it's life?

[oak rivet]

monitor has vrr?

[lone pond]

on nvidia's part, sure
and no, I wasn't maxing out settings...

[livid idol]

Early report on the RX 7600 confirms MSRP is $269 and it beats the 3060 by ~10%. That's exactly what I was hoping for, it's not a super powerful card but it isn't meant to be. It's meant to undercut Nvidia at the same performance tier. The 3060 is STILL $310.

[oak rivet]

It will drop below 250$ pretty soon I reckon

Apparently it's very cheap to make

[vital oriole]

I'm not sad about that

[lone pond]

ah so that's why you're so hot and bothered by the vram thing lol. I'll enjoy maxing out textures on my 6800. I hope you like ultra performance dlss if you want to do the same ;) (being mildly facetious if you couldn't tell)

[livid idol]

Once the 4060 launches it'll probably go down yeah

[vital oriole]

269 bucks for 10% more perf than a more expensive last gen gpu

[oak rivet]

7900xt at 750$ sells

[vital oriole]

Sure less vram but it's still cheaper than a 3060

6700xt would still stand its ground as of current

[lone pond]

4060 is an 8gb card isn't it?

[vital oriole]

No

12

Oh 4060, yep it's 8

[lone pond]

typo lol, meant the 4060

[oak rivet]

It is

[vital oriole]

cheaper than 3060 but at what cost

[livid idol]

Typos are fun 🙃

[vital oriole]

it's not even any faster than 3060

dlss 3 helps but that's not really a saving grace when 7600 can be had for less

or 6700xt for same price

[lone pond]

looking forward to seeing if I can make my 3060m go faster than it lol

[oak rivet]

When it doesn't run of vram dlss 3 works

[oak rivet]

Playing newer games on a rx 590 8gb all settings low but textures at ultra

Still looks decent

Good luck doing that on a 1060 6gb

[lone pond]

tbf, at that performance level vram isn't nearly that big of a concern. 30 4060 isn't going to be playing new games at good settings for very long

[vital oriole]

I know people are different, but for me medium, or sometimes even low settings qualifies for "good settings"

[oak rivet]

Yeah but frame gen needs some spare vram to work properly

With 8 there is no headroom for frame gen

[vital oriole]

Then again I'm still running 2gb in 2023

And probably will be until ~2025 lol

[lone pond]

fair. I define good settings by the price you pay for the card. the this point if I'm paying $300 I want at least 1440p high at 90ish fps

[livid idol]

I do not miss my 1060 3GB one bit. Stupid thing came out AFTER Fallout 4 and it still artifacted running out of vram.

[oak rivet]

Oh boi

[lone pond]

considering we had that last gen for $400

[oak rivet]

I am sure 970 is doing better these days with its 3.5gb

[vital oriole]

I just continue playing older, or lighter games

[lone pond]

based. my two most played games are minecraft and modded Empire at War (2006 game) lol

[vital oriole]

I even one or two times played stuff as old as 2000

First deus ex game lel

[livid idol]

Wasn't that the GPU that had 3GB fast vram and 0.5GB super slow, so when the buffer fills it lags like my brain when I open the fridge?

[vital oriole]

I couldn't stand the og graphics tho, had to put on DX10 shader mod

UE1 dark scenes are way too dark

[oak rivet]

It was 3.5gb fast and 0.5gb slow

[lone pond]

yep

[oak rivet]

4gb total

[livid idol]

Ah right

[vital oriole]

I think it was like

3.5 gddr5, 0.5 ddr3

[livid idol]

They had a whole class action lawsuit for that and everything lol

[vital oriole]

yep

I kinda remember it blowing up youtube

[oak rivet]

With the 1070 they doubled vram

Good days

[vital oriole]

Pascal was Nvidia's mistake

Too good that they lasted too long

..If we don't talk about 3gb 1060

[lone pond]

pascal was really good, but I think people also forget that it wasn't some gift from god lol. I mean, they were selling a 104 die for $700 lol. prices fell eventually, but still, that's nearly $900 in today's money for a 104 die, and people were flipping out over $900 for the "4080 12GB"

the best part about pascal was the mining deals tbh

Turing also made it look fantastic by virtue of being horrible

[vital oriole]

For a while I was wanting 1060 laptops, specifically 6gb

But unfortunately I never got money lel

Floating around 400-500 in used market

[livid idol]

Hey remember that time nvidia launched a GPU with a smaller memory bus than its predecessor but the same memory size? Nope not the 4060 ti

[lone pond]

if my memory serves, wasn't the 960 at least somewhat panned on release for offering poor performance? I may be wrong, it was a long time ago now lol

[livid idol]

It was totally blasted because there were times when it would lose to the 760

[lone pond]

nice lol

sounds very similar to today :p

[livid idol]

Looks like history isn't Nvidia's strong suit

[lone pond]

indeed

[vital oriole]

Again

That's why I say 128 bit is so 2012

and why nvidia should just quit slapping 128 bit into gpus already

[lone pond]

it worked well enough on the 6600 tbf. but the 6600 is also quite a bit below $300 right now, and had (admittedly a small amount of) infinity cache helping out

[vital oriole]

6600 has infinity cache yeah

we dunno if it really helps, but it seems to still perform acceptably well

[livid idol]

That was the case with all the RDNA 2 cards. That's why they perform better at 1080p, decent at 1440p, and meh at 4k.

[lone pond]

^ yeah I was about the point that out

[vital oriole]

Still though I still am gonna say 128 bits is too narrow for x60 gpus

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/live/zq8TXgKaQok?feature=share

Gonna play some fortnite until then 😤

[lone pond]

when do they drop?

[livid idol]

The reviews?

[lone pond]

yeh

[livid idol]

I don't know the exact time but nvidia embargo lifted at 6AM PST/9AM EST

I assume sometime around there

[oak rivet]

Says 11pm Aest

[livid idol]

PM?

Oh right that's aussie time

Forgot they were on another continent there for a minute

So yeah 6 pacific

What a baller PC setup. A 4090 for gaming AND a 4090 for streaming.

[oak rivet]

He is super good at fortnite

[vital oriole]

11pm in aussie time?

that's about 9pm in my time

i can catch the reviews

[livid idol]

You were on that weird half time zone right? Or is that someone else

[quartz gull]

The GTX 750, 950, 1050, 1650 and 3050 had 128 bit bus width. A x60Ti card having that is absolutely absurd

I'm not surprised they didn't also cut it down to x8 lanes too if they're cost cutting so much...

[odd siren]

Oh boy

Beautiful thumbnail

[quartz gull]

Welp imma go watch that

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/Yhoj2kfk-x0

🍿

[keen nacelle]

This gen is just a flop huh

[oak rivet]

Verdict

[hot folio]

Just when I was having hope for the 7600 being so cheap

[fringe scroll]

RAHHHHHH

[hot folio]

Still doesn’t change the fact you should get a 6950xt

Smh

[fringe scroll]

MOFO IM SPENDING MY LIFE SAVINGS ON THIS JUST FOR YOU TO STFU

And you prob still won't 😭

"Your 5900x is slow get a 13900k"

NO

[hot folio]

buys a 6950xt too slow, should’ve gotten a 7900xtx

[fringe scroll]

No because you would say that

[oak rivet]

Consumes like 4060ti

[fringe scroll]

I'm slow

[hot folio]

We know

[fringe scroll]

U ain't see nun

[fringe scroll]

I saw the same ocf model open box for 100 less

It's a 6900xt thi

Same core just slightly slower memory and lower clocks

But I was told newegg open box is iffy

[vital oriole]

tbh

7600 performed just about I was expecting

It is not a good showing in the grand scheme of things of course

[oak rivet]

Like 10% efficiency jump

🚮

[vital oriole]

In its defense

It has beaten 6650XT lol

[oak rivet]

By 3fps

[vital oriole]

Still faster

I guess people were expecting 6700 or something perf

[oak rivet]

The problem being 2gb more and extra perf aswell

At the same price

[odd siren]

The 7600 looks...okay

[vital oriole]

I'm aware of 6700's existence lol

[odd siren]

Not great

[hot folio]

But mah vram?

[vital oriole]

But 7600 is okay

[odd siren]

At 270 it's a decent launch price

[vital oriole]

Just okay

[odd siren]

Yeah, just, okay

[oak rivet]

It will drop below 200$ then it will be pretty decent

[hot folio]

7600 better because higher number

[vital oriole]

$250 and it would be sweeter, but as is it's okay

[odd siren]

Not TERRIBLE like all of 40 series lower end

[vital oriole]

lol nah, 6600 never went below 200

i wouldn't see 7600 dropping below 200

[odd siren]

It was 190 at boxing day

[vital oriole]

huh

[odd siren]

Boxing day? Sorry black friday

[vital oriole]

either way it'll be cheap

like $200-250

[odd siren]

That's 200

Sir

[oak rivet]

Around 200$

[odd siren]

Yeah but not below it

[vital oriole]

i don't mind the pricing ngl

unlike 4060 at $300 with no perf increase

[odd siren]

Personally I think the 7600 is a better reflection than the 4060 Ti trash that literally is stagnation over 2 years

But I wouldn't give it a trophy

It's, just okay

When the sales start

it'll be great

[vital oriole]

I don't have much expectations for 7600XT then

Probably 6700XT lol

About $320 I'm guessing?

[oak rivet]

Still a bad value when this 6700 here exists

[odd siren]

You got to look at this a bit less critically, one is just launching, the other is heavily discounted

[vital oriole]

^

[odd siren]

The launch msrp of those cards was much higher

I brought this up ages ago

[vital oriole]

i remember seeing $400

[odd siren]

Amd is competing with itself on price

[vital oriole]

or something higher

the very thing that's making these gpus great deals is coming back to be their bane, at least temporarily

[odd siren]

The 6950XT is going to make the mid range rdna 3 look like total 💩

But the mid range can be discounted more

[vital oriole]

yup

[odd siren]

After time

[oak rivet]

Until the rdna2 stock dries out ig

[odd siren]

Yes

If you're considering a current market state, it's not great

Absolutely

[vital oriole]

by then we will have cheaper 7000 gpus sitting waiting

[odd siren]

But in 6 months

When we have 20% off sales (maybe)

That 7600 will look amazing

It's a proper generational jump over the 6600

[oak rivet]

3050 will be in more shambles

[odd siren]

4060 I predict to be rubbish

4060 Ti was way below the belt on the ada curve

[vital oriole]

4060ti was as I expected

lame ass trash

[odd siren]

4060 is likely going to be a similar reflection of Nvidia's commitment to being in line with $'s invested = scalable fps

[oak rivet]

Well 4060ti 16g is yet to cone

[vital oriole]

4070 i could halfway accept, but any lower skus really gets crappy

[odd siren]

The 16g is a waste of time

[vital oriole]

16g is $100 extra though

[odd siren]

Yeah 100$ extra is ridiculous

Those chips aren't worth 100

[vital oriole]

makes it $500 lol

[odd siren]

They're capitalising on fomo's

And vramlets

[vital oriole]

16 gigs of weak core and bus width

128 bit

[odd siren]

The bus kills that card

[vital oriole]

exactly

[odd siren]

There is no reasonable use for 16gb on that card

With a 128bit

[vital oriole]

even a gtx 560 was 256

[oak rivet]

12🤷‍♂️

[odd siren]

They're just doing it to play to media

[vital oriole]

"here we gave you vram"

[odd siren]

Well they didn't

[oak rivet]

No one asked 16 on this anything but 8

[lone pond]

i got that exact one at the top

[oak rivet]

Chad

[odd siren]

HUB has manufactured this situation first-hand where another sku exists with the demand he wanted on newer cards and thus idiots will buy it out of fear of vram loss

[vital oriole]

^

[odd siren]

Idiots are gonna subscribe 100$ towards a 3060ti with 16gb vram for the price of a 6800 xt

I can at least give AMD props for noticing the bell curve and undercutting it a bit

It's not exciting, but it's not bad

[vital oriole]

i had a feeling nvidia was making this dirty release

and boy was my gut right lmao

[odd siren]

40 series in comparison looks like regression

[oak rivet]

Well 4090 👀

[vital oriole]

$500 for the "good" version of 4060ti

[odd siren]

Yes they butchered their entire stack for one card

[vital oriole]

^

[odd siren]

Cos everyone said the 3090 was pointless for gamers

And it was at the time

It's a titan card

For titan things

[vital oriole]

Now they're making us say 4090 is best value

[oak rivet]

Yeah big gap between the 80 and 90 this time

[odd siren]

Like ai acceleration or simulations

[vital oriole]

Cuz anything less sucks

[odd siren]

I could wax on for hours about this

At least rdna 3 looks good on the whole

[vital oriole]

Well I would personally say the good value ends at 4070ti, sort of

[odd siren]

Efficiency is not on the same level but it's good enough

4070ti is good value cos

People complained

It was originally going to be in line

And worse

[vital oriole]

It was the 4080 12 that wasn't

[oak rivet]

In line with the 7900xt msrp

[odd siren]

Yes and now the 4080 uses ga103

[vital oriole]

Thank god it relegated to a 4070ti

[odd siren]

I go back and forth between the 4070ti being garbage cos 6950xt exists and okay in new card terms

7900XT is just plain better

For the fact raster it wins by a mile now

[vital oriole]

If only 4090ti would drop to something like $750

70ti*

[odd siren]

4070ti should be 700 or less

[vital oriole]

ye

[odd siren]

When 7600 even breaches 250 it'll be a great buy

And it'll continue to get better

I remember when the 6600 dropped and we found it not the best

[vital oriole]

It was less than not the best

Saddening perhaps

But eventually the price fell so things got better

[oak rivet]

A lower msrp does go a long way for countries which are not the US and in the eu

[vital oriole]

6950XT at the time was also not very good buy

[odd siren]

Near 6700xt perf for 250 or less will be really nice for gaming

[vital oriole]

Now they dropped almost 50% the price

[oak rivet]

The price drops after launch never applied for us 😭

[odd siren]

Well US is lucky

Everyone else gotta wait a while

Discounts have hit us here

The nitro+ I bought came at a 30% discount

Granted, launch prices here were kinda garbage

[vital oriole]

Launch price of anything here has 7% tax added to them

[odd siren]

I'd love to see that little 7600 in an sff build

That would look really cool lol

[vital oriole]

btw 4070 blower is apparently a thing now

[rain aspen]

4060 ti not yet on newegg .ca neither amazon.ca but I see some (Gigabyte) on Canada computers ....

[vital oriole]

Why are you wanting to buy it?

You're better off buying radeon

[odd siren]

Don't bother, get a used 3060ti

[vital oriole]

Or ^

[odd siren]

Same performance for so much less

Or rather better in workstation and basically the same in games

[rain aspen]

oh yeah?

[odd siren]

Mhm

4060ti is a cash grab

For "here, newer is better" buyers

[vital oriole]

4060ti is a legal scam

[rain aspen]

since now the price is dropped, I see a HUGE difference between 4060 and 4070 ...

[odd siren]

4070 isn't great either

[keen nacelle]

4060 ti is a renamed 3060 ti

[vital oriole]

4060 is even worse deal

4070 is meh too

[rain aspen]

i mean 4060 ti of course 😛

[odd siren]

4070 is ok if you get it from microcenter with a $100 gift card

That's the only time

[vital oriole]

$100 steam gift card for opening csgo cases

[odd siren]

And even then, for anything not gaming it sucks

If you're looking at a 4060 ti, consider an RX6800

[rain aspen]

neirest microcenter is in manhattan I think... 6-8 hours cars drive 😂😂😂
And I'm affraid that Canadian custom charge me a lots of taxes when I come back🥲

[odd siren]

Beats the pants off it for a similar value

[keen nacelle]

Yeah, are you just using your pc for gaming?

[odd siren]

Ya man I know, just saying it's like the only decent time lol