They do
#graphics-cards
odd siren
It may be dead end but RPL is solid
Just don't screw up the contact mount
I'll multicore u in a minute
oak rivet
but from what i see zen4 is on parity with raptor lake in single core stuff with better platform with how am4 turned out not something i would like to miss out on
odd siren
Ehhhh not really on par
X3d is def on par
Zen 4 is more like a halfway house between 12th and 13th
If you asked me which aged better 12th or zen 4 I'd def say zen 4
But zen 4 at the time costed a fortune
oak rivet
yeah platform fee was way higher with the ds3h being the cheapest for a long time
odd siren
The ddr5 price is still a problem
To me 13900k takes the whole cake
Whereas 7950x3d/7800x3d? They kinda get there but also take a few L's
And a few W's
For a gaming side of things 7800X3D should be a no brainer if it doesn't stay at 450 for long
Cos a 13600K still looks good if it does
oak rivet
first few months it should be bit inflated in price ig
odd siren
Yup, AMD is pushing the new platform
If they were desperate they'd drop it at 350 but they know the chip will sell
People are waiting
The 7950x3d is bloody 1200 rn lmao
oak rivet
odd siren
Hey it came down a bit
Was 1200 yesterday or something stupid like that
But I do think if you're considering a minmax build, a cpu with a bit more life will reap dividends for sure
7800X3D will sit up top for quite a while
At the very least an 8 core imo, there are games that scale up to that many
oak rivet
its actually pretty interesting how the 7950x3d is at top in 720p results with the 4090 and 13900k is on top at the 4k results by a hair
heady turtle
I'll multicore u in a minute
odd siren
https://tenor.com/view/loading-thinking-shiba-inu-gif-25291442
U wouldn't believe it
odd siren
its actually pretty interesting how the 7950x3d is at top in 720p results with t...
Cos x3d scales better
heady turtle
U wouldn't believe it
Believe these?
odd siren
NUTZ
oak rivet
vram is still tending for me
heady turtle
4070 non ti msrp 600$ from press meeting leak 
heady turtle
its from a press meeting so should be ill try find the article
skull emoji tho its supposed to be 3070 ti perf
oak rivet
3080 10gb
With frame gen,way better power efficiency and ser which dramatically improves rt perf
oak rivet
The adoption is way faster then fsr 2 or dlss 1 at launch
vital oriole
yes but i wouldn't take it as actual perf imo
oak rivet
Also installing that deepcool cooler was soo easy
5600x
32gigs royal ram
4090
Actually crazy how much the 4090 let's the 5600x breathe compared to the 3090
velvet grail
Should a bequiet sfx power 3 450w be enough for 1080ti + 9400f? If yes, I've got two choices on 1080ti's: gigabyte aorus master or rog strix. Which one would be better?
lone pond
Should a bequiet sfx power 3 450w be enough for 1080ti + 9400f? If yes, I've got...
should work. 9400f pulls like 65w, and either the aorus or strix 1080 ti are 280ish watt parts. that leaves a decent bit of headroom for everything else in your system. as far as choosing between the two 1080 ti models, both are super overbuilt and perform the same, so just get the one you think looks nice or the vendor you prefer
ivory herald
Strix is my suggestion. Had a non-Ti, but the cooler was really good & quiet. I suggest looking up undervolting either way
livid idol
1080p medium uses almost 10GB VRAM 💀
A 3080 10GB will run out of VRAM at 1440p medium 💀
https://youtu.be/_lHiGlAWxio
Ultra need a 16GB+ card
oak rivet
1080p medium uses almost 10GB VRAM 💀
A 3080 10GB will run out of VRAM at 1440p...
Hope this puts some sense into Nvidia and shifts the vram paradigm as 10gb or higher as the new minimum
livid idol
AMD dominating that chart, especially in the lows thanks to the extra mem
oak rivet
Ye
oak rivet
AMD dominating that chart, especially in the lows thanks to the extra mem
This thread is a interesting read and puts some things into perspective
livid idol
Yep we've had 8GB cards forever it feels like. It's overdue for a change.
livid idol
Even then. You'd expect a 60 class card to be able to do 1080 high on modern games at least, but 8GB isn't cutting it for this game.
The 3050 isn't able to do 1080p medium without stuttering
fringe scroll
I'm running at ultra 1440p (quality fsr) just fine on my 6700xt lol
livid idol
Well yeah that's basically 1080p ultra upscaled to 1440p
fringe scroll
But that drops it down to like 900p
fringe scroll
Well yeah that's basically 1080p ultra upscaled to 1440p
Exactly lol
oak rivet
That is also a 12gb card
livid idol
Yeah and it slaps the 3070 ti because of that 12GB
oak rivet
Yeah and that's not even the right comparison lol
3070ti was always compared more to rx 6800 non xt
ancient crystal
so, i just bought a 4GB RX 6400 and got this in email: Congratulations! Your new purchase just earned you a code to redeem the game The Last of Us Part 1 when you buy select AMD Radeon™ RX 7000 and RX 6000 Series graphics cards or systems!
will it VRAM? (probably not)
oak rivet
It will run ofc but just not resolution and settings you would like to hear
livid idol
It'll run at 1080p low with FSR on
oak rivet
Yep we've had 8GB cards forever it feels like. It's overdue for a change.
ideally what should have been for the same price
last will be correction for a 3090ti lol
livid idol
I think the 3070 would be fine at 12GB, doesn't need to be 16GB
But the 3080 only having 10GB was a slap in our faces
Even the 2080 ti had 11GB
wicked hound
I think the 3070 would be fine at 12GB, doesn't need to be 16GB
They are working with keeping the bus width the same
12GB would be 192/384 bus, neither would be nice on 3070
Unless Nvidia moved to 6X for 3070, that'd give it same bandwidth
fading glacier
Also installing that deepcool cooler was soo easy
Gz on your 4090 man 😄
vital oriole
that's not his build
velvet grail
I really can't decide between the 1080ti aorus or rog strix... They're both good and have some nice features but which one would be better in term of cooling and noise? Also can I use the front hdmi on the aorus for a monitor? Or is it only vr
oak rivet
I would go for Aorus
Looks better overall imo
It seems like this was a topic at question even a year ago
velvet grail
Sorry for the tag @grizzled nimbus but I got a quick question: are your Rog strix 1080 fans loud at 75 to 100% speed?
Because I'm really undecided between these two as they're both the same price but I can't find many comparisons with both temperature and noise levels...
I really prefer the look of the strix but I'm not sure how loud and hotter it is compared to the aorus
ivory herald
Probably would be "loud" at 90+ %, but personally mine never had to go over 60ish % fan & stayed under 80c easily even before undervolt.
velvet grail
I'll jus go for it. This is taking all day to decide which one. Saw a small benchmark showing heaven 4.0 70C with fan speed lower than 40%, which is perfect of course. Strix is my choice now
cyan vault
Any resident AMD card users- is there a way to auto apply your overclock on boot? Current one I have is 100% stable but every time I boot or enter sleep mode I have to go into radeon software and redo it. Super annoying!!
velvet grail
What program are you using to oc?
grizzled nimbus
Sorry for the tag <@369668313208324100> but I got a quick question: are your Rog...
when i had the card, they never had to go higher than 40%
Use a static fan speed, not a curve
but the 1080 strix was never really “loud”
lone pond
Unless Nvidia moved to 6X for 3070, that'd give it same bandwidth
they kinda did tho. 3070 ti was just a g6x 3070 with a few extra shaders enabled. I'd have been happier with 4 gigs of extra memory and a reduced bus for even more similar to stock 3070 performance. if that's what the 3070 ti had been I may have even kept my old one
nvidia having so much g6x was honestly something they should have better used imo. 21gbps 16Gb g6x gives a 3060 8gb basically the same bandwidth as a 15gbps 192 bit 'real' 3060
cyan vault
What program are you using to oc?
Just base radeon. Not sure what else is good for AMD
Sorry for late response!
vital oriole
g6x adds heat for no performance benefit on lower end cards
so i don't think it's beneficial lmao
thanks to nvidia being complacent, but people will buy their stuff anyway
Nvidia for features, Radeon for vram
I get people arguing that Nvidia is greedy and all for not giving us the vram we "deserved" but it's starting to kinda get old
lone pond
g6x adds heat for no performance benefit on lower end cards
read again. 21gbps G6X on a 3060 8GB gives it the necessary density to actually work on a 128 bit bus while also having (roughly) equivalent bandwidth to a 3060 12GB. thus you'd have a 3060 8GB that actually performs like a 3060. you're welcome to disagree with the usefulness of G6X, but your reasoning is bad
in that specific situation it does result in a pretty significant performance uplift, as evidenced by the performance gap between the 3060 12 and 8GB models
livid idol
The 3060 8GB was more than just a memory change though, some compute units were disabled
vital oriole
Where did you get that it had perf gains?
From everywhere that I have seen, the 8 gigs 3060 is often slower
All because Nvidia has cut down on the die
There is no 3060 with g6x
It is only equipped with g6
I think you're talking about 3060ti
But then again that situation offered next to none perf gains too
livid idol
3060 ti was also only G6 just a wider bus
livid idol
Not the original model though
vital oriole
Fair enough
livid idol
That one came after the 3070 ti
vital oriole
In 3060ti's case at least perf hasn't been reduced
livid idol
(thanks Nvidia for making things so confusing we don't even know what parts we're all referring to)
velvet grail
The 1080ti strix got sold yesterday before I was able to get it :/ should I go for the aorus or another strix? In terms of cooling which one is better?
velvet grail
when i had the card, they never had to go higher than 40%
What temperatures are you getting under full load at 40% speed?
grizzled nimbus
The 1080ti strix got sold yesterday before I was able to get it :/ should I go f...
go for aorus, doont bother waiting or paying more for a strix
they both look and perform great, im sure aorus isnt loud
velvet grail
Why not...? I mean I really like the design of the strix... They're both the same price. but is your strix loud?
grizzled nimbus
i dont own a 1080 anymore
grizzled nimbus
Why not...? I mean I really like the design of the strix... They're both the sam...
if theres another strix for the same price, yeah thats fine, but if youre paying more its jus tnot worth
velvet grail
They're both 200€, strix doesn't include box and aorus does
grizzled nimbus
i dont own a 1080 anymore
just saying, neither of the cards will be their quietest at their stock fan curve and voltages, for best results, either set a static fan speed or make a good quiet curve, as well as undervolt, pascal benefits from that on the higher end cards
velvet grail
So you'd say I should go aorus for the lower noise levels?
grizzled nimbus
i wuoldnt know if aorus is quieter, but if theyre both the same price, i'd personally go strix cause i like the card design more
velvet grail
Me too, I saw a video where the strix basically is 10db louder past 75% fan speed but I think I'll never need to push it that far... Maybe 60% speed is already enough to keep it calm
grizzled nimbus
likely
odd siren
I feel like this is really overthinking it
grizzled nimbus
can always undervolt, pascal is not hard to tune
vital oriole
i agree with felix lmao
grizzled nimbus
I feel like this is really overthinking it
yeah, im the same way, so i get it
odd siren
Well I get that too
odd siren
But if it's that much of a justification get the strix yeah
grizzled nimbus
looks better and can probably be tuned to be quieter
and if youre lucky strix will be one of the binned variants
and strix will probably resell better 😅
velvet grail
Going for the strix again. I just think it would look better in my build
grizzled nimbus
theres no like 2070supers or 2080s in your area for the same price tho?
velvet grail
Don't care about box or not
velvet grail
theres no like 2070supers or 2080s in your area for the same price tho?
Only a asus 2070s for 200€, I've tried getting that but the seller doesn't reply and it's been 4 days
velvet grail
- if from FB marketplace and I'm not getting a warranty if the product isn't working
Italy prices are always a bit higher than most other places in Europe unfortunately
grizzled nimbus
sadge
velvet grail
Also found another guy on fb marketplace selling a 3060 for 170€ but he's selling many other cards and they all look like from many different countries and all of its prices are sketchy
grizzled nimbus
considering i paid like 200 for my 1080 non ti a year ago, thats really not bad
velvet grail
Too low to be real
grizzled nimbus
yeah not worthm 3060 isnt faster than a 1080ti in most cases anyways
velvet grail
considering i paid like 200 for my 1080 non ti a year ago, thats really not bad
Here rn they're usually 250 used...
Now 200
grizzled nimbus
Italy moment
velvet grail
But still people are trying to sell them for 350/450€ too
grizzled nimbus
yeah happens here too 💀 some guy has a 1080ti founders up for like 400$
odd siren
Don't care about box or not
I would for resale
Actual value in having decent packaging 💀
velvet grail
yeah not worthm 3060 isnt faster than a 1080ti in most cases anyways
Yeah, maybe the fact that it is a newer gen rtx would have been better in some cases but not really worth it
velvet grail
I would for resale
Why would I want to sell it, 1080ti would probably last a long time on my second build
(I could always get a box from eBay, they sell those for 20-30$ usually)
odd siren
Ya but when it finally comes time to sell, it's nice when the box is free
Not just the box either but the inserts that keep it from shuffling
velvet grail
You make me indecisive now
odd siren
Safe postage 
Were it me I'd do the aorus
You think, in 3-4 years time that strix name won't justify the price of a box 💀
velvet grail
At this point I should probably go aorus for the cooling performance
velvet grail
You think, in 3-4 years time that strix name won't justify the price of a box 💀
Going aorus for thermals and box 
velvet grail
I'll eventually use some stickers to cover the orange parts of the card as they don't really match with the build...
Why does gigabyte like to add these stupid orange details on their cards... They look like pumpkins lol
oak rivet
Aorus looks better aswell
lone pond
From everywhere that I have seen, the 8 gigs 3060 is often slower
that's what I'm saying. the 3060 8GB is slower because of the reduced 128 bit bus. 128 bit bus x 15gbps memory = 240GBps memory bandwidth. as opposed to the 360GBps (192 x 15/8) on a 3060 12GB. by using 21gbps G6X modules on the 3060 8GB you get a bandwidth of 336GBps, hardly a difference between the default 3060 configuration
the core itself has the same number of shaders, so performance otherwise should be the same.
lone pond
The 3060 8GB was more than just a memory change though, some compute units were ...
the GA106 die was cut down, sure, but according to TPU they have the same shader count. bus width, and consequently memory capacity, is the only tangible change on the die
vital oriole
Huh I guess I wasn't up to date with the info
What I knew for sure was that the vram bus got reduced
It borrowed vram from 3050
oak rivet
It get less fps soo that's what matters
lone pond
exactly. I'm saying that a hypothetical G6X card wouldn't
vital oriole
It would just not have any benefits
lone pond
but it would lol, I just spelled the math out for you
the performance gap between a 3060 8 and 12GB is due to reduction in memory bandwidth, correct?
vital oriole
It would but at the cost of having less amount
And increasing cost
If we ignore cost, g6x 8 gigs would be plenty for it
lone pond
It would but at the cost of having less amount
not at all true. 21gbps G6X comes in 16Gb 32 bit wide modules. 4x 16Gb modules results in 8GB of vram
lone pond
And increasing cost
Nvidia got a pretty sick deal on G6X and pretty clearly over supplied on it, hence the G6X 3060 ti SKUs. in a norma world, sure, I'm merely saying that in this real world it would make sense
lone pond
OG 3060 has 12 gigs tho
I'm not making an argument about the 3060 12GB, nor did I ever say it should have G6X memory
my argument was specifically for the 3060 8GB, and to a lesser extent and alternative 192 bit 3070 ti SKU (that ofc does not exist)
anyway, I've gtg now. real life is calling
👋
vital oriole
See you around, it was a good talk
random walrus
the performance gap between a 3060 8 and 12GB is due to reduction in memory band...
IIRC the gpu die is different as well but I could be wrong at least according to TPU the die is the exact same
lone pond
~~IIRC the gpu die is different as well but I could be wrong~~ at least accordin...
I suppose they could have easily cut down some GA104 dies as they already are with some 3060 12GB SKUs, but the shader count is the same between the 3060 12GB and 8GB. the 3060m is the only 3060 variant that differs in shader count. so the only meaningful difference to performance between the two desktop models is still memory bandwidth
odd siren
3060m be the fast boi tho 💀
lone pond
I have one actually. it's pretty cool. incredibly power limited so I'm gonna shunt mod it when I get the chance, but even at stock 65w PL it's doing pretty well
odd siren
I have a 140W one and it slaps harder than the desktop cards 
lone pond
I have a 140W one and it slaps harder than the desktop cards <:kekw:741678350791...
nice. I take it yours is an actual laptop one, right?
odd siren
Ye
lone pond
ah gotcha. I've got a jank af Aliexpress 3060m on a desktop PCB and I've been looking all over for a functional higher power limit vbios lol
odd siren
You might be able to mod a working vbios
I have 0 clue how to do it but there are eggheads out there who would know
lone pond
interesting. afaik Nvidia has super locked down on their vbios stuff since kepler, but I guess the fact that a bios exists for the part in the first place would indicate that you can get around it if you're smart enough...
lone pond
haha, I see lol. well thanks for the heads up, I'll keep my eye out <3
odd siren
normal hawk
According to ETA Prime who works with a lot of handheld companies to do reviews, the ROG Ally is in a prototype phase and is a real product they are considering.
heady turtle
possible leaked 4070? https://youtu.be/BNpFh96aINE
oak rivet
this is fake lol
random walrus
30% more money for 15% performance increase
oak rivet
this channel did this fakery during the 7900xtx aswell
heady turtle
oh sadge
vital oriole
bruh
livid idol
Cable mod 90 and 180 degree adapters are out for 12VHPWR
https://youtu.be/jkFuTBJGvwM
cosmic bluff
I won't have the time to watch video. so short question would this help with certain case compatibility with the cable not having tension?
hot bough
Cable mod 90 and 180 degree adapters are out for 12VHPWR
https://youtu.be/jkFuT...
Probably gonna get one of these.
livid idol
I won't have the time to watch video. so short question would this help with cer...
Yes that's the intended purpose. It's only a few mm tall so you don't need to worry about the cable pressing against the glass. It's also metal with a thermal pad to dissipate heat lol.
oak rivet
3060 actually managed to do what the 2060 failed at
fringe scroll
It hurts me to see that 3050 so high up
oak rivet
The 580 is the top discrete amd gpu sku and that is soo far down below
random walrus
It hurts me to see that 3050 so high up
Also sad to see 2x the 3060s vs 3060tis
wicked hound
Novideo is best, Ayymd sucks ||/s||
livid idol
Intell me how you really feel
fringe scroll
💀
vital oriole
It hurts me to see that 3050 so high up
cheapest nvidia thing will sell regardless
especially with people who only buys local
livid idol
At least the 3050 isn't the 6500 XT
vital oriole
lol yeah
limber flax
It hurts me to see that 3050 so high up
I am part of the problem
odd siren
bro that's a laptop
fringe scroll
What the hell
odd siren
shut
odd siren
fringe scroll
Makes sense
odd siren
small detail
limber flax
HAHAHA
odd siren
poor danny and his 13yo mind couldn't handle
limber flax
YES ONLY 900 FOR THE 3050 DESKTOP
fringe scroll
Yes 900cad 3050
limber flax
what a steal
odd siren
seeing that steam survey hurts
it's like all the high end cards don't mean jack
just commit urself to 60 class like a normie
livid idol
Steam survey has some issues of its own, like those Internet cafes that have their computers counted 100 times each
What we could really use is better first party data, like if Newegg would tell us how many of each model they sold directly, not counting marketplace.
livid idol
It's a dumpster fire yeah
You have to be super specific to not get crap recommended, and at that point just build it yourself
odd siren
THEY TRYNA TUK OUR JOOOBSS
sonic mural
I'm confident it just looks at what crap they have on their shelves collecting dust then just turns around and reccomends it
livid idol
Considering how many times it recommended the H212 maybe it's going by all time sales data
sonic mural
livid idol
And the H510 for that matter 
sonic mural
Yeah
odd siren
imagine recommending the same gaming experience at 3 different prices
sonic mural
It really makes nice $700 lists I mean sgeeeesh
sonic mural
imagine recommending the same gaming experience at 3 different prices
And imagine they're still far over the original budget in the question lol
Like I get having one on the budget, one a bit above, and one a bit below
But this is insane
livid idol
Below? Nonono this is a SALES tool
sonic mural
Gotta get those kids with their parents money to blow it all somehow, right?
livid idol
I can't wait for those build videos: "An AI recommended this PC, how bad is it?"
sonic mural
"hey mom Newegg says the best PC I can get for $700 is actually $1800"
livid idol
At that point you give up and go console lol
sonic mural
I can't wait for those build videos: "An AI recommended this PC, how bad is it?"
I actually played around with chatgpt at one point. For not being able to see real time prices, it actually was alright
Reccomended stuff like the rmx which is fair enough
Atleast it didn't reccomend any fire bomb units
livid idol
Yeah chatgpt had a few decent, if outdated, recommendations. Just feed it all your criteria. Clearly the wegg bot is not chatgpt.
If you have to format your request in a very specific way and give it half the build, it's just a 2010 chat bot not AI
sonic mural
We just need to teach weggbot !buildhelp
And then have it just ask endless questions till they give up
random walrus
Yeah chatgpt had a few decent, if outdated, recommendations. Just feed it all yo...
With GPT-4 having acess to new information via extensions/plugins we could potentially see an up-to-date version of this
random walrus
Steam survey has some issues of its own, like those Internet cafes that have the...
Maybe hopefully this is the reason the 3060 is so high
sonic mural
I would be willing to bet most of the reason for that is because "oh wow 12gb vram so it's faster than a 3080 10gb for half the price"
random walrus
That hurts me
solemn panther
8gb
limber flax
Lmao
ancient crystal
fortunately, i have no desire to ever play TLOU again after playing it on PS3 a decade ago
so, my 4GB card is sufficient for what i play for now
solemn panther
Valid
ancient crystal
i mean
i could use some better performance for FFVII intergrade
and i'd like to be ready for FFXVI when it comes out
but those are really the only games i can think of
oh also, i need something that'll run nier automata without the drivers absolutely imploding
automata i get a slideshow, whereas with replicant i get 60fps
automata is less demanding
solemn panther
Games I have yet to play
ancient crystal
good games to play
esp nier replicant is really good story-wise
automata also really good
and both those games don't need you to be a JRPG nerd to enjoy them
automata is developed by platinum, and the replicant remake is toylogic
solemn panther
Okay 🤔
ancient crystal
platinum needs no introduction, toylogic is Yoko Taro (creator of nier) latest studio
squenix has done well diversifying
by pulling out very old games
and then also making new ones that are in different genres
imo the best things a dev can do is make games that run on a variety of hardware, and make games that appeal to everyone
the indies are winning that. graphics don't matter as much these days as good art
solemn panther
Agreed
ancient crystal
gotta get that 4090 so we can play TLOU
or strangely enough a 3060
because VRAM
lmao
still making me laugh how weird those requirements are
it's not nvidia's mistake at all
it's definitely naughty dog's problem
solemn panther
Developers are getting less and less time to optimize their games due to inpatient investors and leadership
solemn panther
They always need money ASAP
ancient crystal
people gamble too much
solemn panther
Yeah
ancient crystal
if your investors need money right away, that shows they're gambling in ways they should never have done
solemn panther
That's why you never preorder anything anymore
ancient crystal
yeah
oak rivet
it's not nvidia's mistake at all
It is lol when the competitor is giving more for the same price
ancient crystal
well, the point is
nvidia shouldn't be blamed for it because any other game runs fine
aside from the small handful
it's not their fault for not anticipating stupid requirements
nvidia and AMD both have great products out there
ancient crystal
i'd buy whatever GPU suits my budget/needs, essentially
odd siren
it's definitely naughty dog's problem
Tmw PS3 graphics take up the most absurd vram counts
vital oriole
bruh
vital oriole
32 more is less margin for nvidia
way less once you scale up lol
laugh at people all you want anyway, they wouldn't care nor hear you
im not defending nvidia but if they did that, price would have gone up further
gotta keep the margin
odd siren
They have no excuse for 10gb vram using basically ps3 graphics lmao
vital oriole
the game is badly optimized ya
it just doesn't matter to care too much about vram capacity when it's the game to blame
don't accept it and cope with it, ez
oak rivet
Yes but 8gb vram is lowend or utter scam at 500$ 2 things can be true at once 👍
odd siren
DF really showed the game for what it was worth
odd siren
Yes but 8gb vram is lowend or utter scam at 500$ 2 things can be true at once 👍
Come back when it's like 15 or 20 games
solemn panther
Soo sad
oak rivet
Also there is also the discussion of 64gb ram now
odd siren
64gb ram has been a requirement for a number of games for years
And the advent of ddr5 cemented this inevitability
32gb is still plenty
ancient crystal
cite which games require 64GB for basic operation
vital oriole
the only way they will add more for us is us not buying from them
hurt em at their wallet
odd siren
cite which games require 64GB for basic operation
Star citizen comes to mind immediately
ancient crystal
but i know people who run it with less
so how does that work
by "basic operation" do you mean "everything on ultra" ?
oak rivet
Run and run good are two different things
solemn panther
Star citizen hasn't been released yet LMAO
ancient crystal
well also you need to take into consideration that "good" is subjective
just because it can run better on an expensive GPU doesn't mean most people care
vital oriole
lowering settings is also a thing
it's not a console where you're locked with one setting
hasty sphinx
lowering settings is also a thing
The horror
ancient crystal
lowering settings is the best thing. lowering settings saves money
solemn panther
^
limber flax
lowering settings is the best thing. lowering settings saves money
You know who not to listen to, right?
Just want to be sure you're not listening to the troll
vital oriole
lowering settings extends the usability of said gpu too
oak rivet
If I have to play at medium rather just not play the game and do something else while saving for better gpu
vital oriole
sure have at it, just don't push it to other people and make them freak out
ancient crystal
You know who not to listen to, right?
I know this, yet I still feel compelled to say my peace.
lapis zinc
Sooo I was wondering what gpu would be good if I wanted almost the same graphics as a Xbox series s I’ve been on consol and now planning to go on pc
vital oriole
What is your budget for a new pc?
Since you've been running xbox series s, I'm guessing 1080p or 1440p would be your resolution goal
lapis zinc
Yes!
I’d say $1200-$1400
Is it possible to achieve the same performance as a series s?
With that budget??
vital oriole
You will absolutely annihilate the series s with that money
lapis zinc
And just to clearify I am the noob and barley have any clue when it comes to pc
vital oriole
Does this have to include peripherals?
lapis zinc
You will absolutely annihilate the series s with that money
WHAA REALLY?!?!
vital oriole
Series s isn't very powerful lol
lapis zinc
;-;
vital oriole
It's definitely decent but far from as powerful as a thousand dollar pc
lapis zinc
I don’t know any better I’ve lived of that and a decade old windows 8 laptop
lapis zinc
No
vital oriole
Gotta make sure I'm looking at the right market
lapis zinc
Europe
vital oriole
Hm, eu then?
lapis zinc
Yes
vital oriole
Which country if it's possible?
lapis zinc
Sweden
vital oriole
kk
lapis zinc
Oh btw just asking did you mean budget for just the gpu or
The whole build
I meant the whole build?
vital oriole
The whole build
I was also asking whether do you need the budget to include monitor, mouse and keyboard
lapis zinc
No
lapis zinc
Oh really?! That’s so nice
vital oriole
https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/Y4cwd9 @lapis zinc
Here's your list
Funny how the list ended up being all amazon
Easier for ordering cuz you can do it all in one place
vital oriole
Sure
vital oriole
You want a compact build?
I can go for smaller cases if you want
I went with amd because it's cheaper than intel for your region
vital oriole
Having a mid tower case doesn't add much other than space for future parts
lapis zinc
Yeah
vital oriole
This case can take up to 405mm gpu length
That's more than enough to occupy high end gpus
vital oriole
Both quieter, faster and cooler
lapis zinc
Tho Why 6core
vital oriole
It's fine for gaming
lapis zinc
Doesn’t Xbox series s have 8core
vital oriole
I can add to 5700x but I fear it'd go over your budget
xbox series s 8 core is about as powerful as this 6 core
lapis zinc
Oh I see
vital oriole
lapis zinc
I am willing to go bit over the budget
vital oriole
I'm squeezing it in here for reference
Better cooler will make the price go up a bit more
Something like this
lapis zinc
Oh that’s fine
vital oriole
Don't worry about warnings
If the motherboard somehow lacks updated bios with microcode that supports the cpu, you can update its bios with a usb drive
vital oriole
If you want the best gaming cpu as of current, well among one of the best. Plopping 5800X3D is an option
vital oriole
But it's another bump in budget
lapis zinc
Would that be worth it or?
lapis zinc
Hm it is?
vital oriole
Unless you really want to use nvidia's features
Like shadowplay, rtx voice and all that cool stuff
6750XT is about 3070 performance
lapis zinc
I don’t really know what that stuff is ;-;
vital oriole
shadowplay lets you record games without losing performance
rtx voice is a piece of ai noise cancelling software
it's great for voice chats and such
lapis zinc
Oh yeah most games I play I use voice chat
And I usually end up in American servers I guess try just good company
vital oriole
But honestly, 3060ti is not far behind at all
There's only some games where it notably loses, but it's not a big downgrade
lapis zinc
Ah just wondering would it crest bottleneck I think the term is??
vital oriole
Bottlenecking will always happen no matter what, but don't worry about it
lapis zinc
Now I’m kinda just throwing terms in trying to learn ;-;
vital oriole
The hardware I chose for you will run all the games perfectly fine
lapis zinc
Oh wait I didn’t see any hardware-
lapis zinc
OHHHH
vital oriole
Hardware is things you can touch physically, basically
Software you interact within the hardware
vital oriole
It's all good, we all start somewhere
lapis zinc
Aww thx!
lapis zinc
Is it true if you have really power gpu that Minecraft look weird
livid idol
No idea where you heard that
keen nacelle
^
livid idol
If you have a 4090 (highest end) it looks fine, it's just the game doesn't use all of the GPU power
keen nacelle
unless youre running 4k with rtx and max render distance
lapis zinc
Is that bad?
lapis zinc
Ah I see then
livid idol
unless youre running 4k with rtx and max render distance
plus heavy reshade mods
lapis zinc
I’ve been playing on Xbox
I am satisfied by their graphics
Tho I do like little more smoothness
jade glacier
I've heard that amd doesn't do vr as good as Nvidia does, is that true?
keen nacelle
Yes
coral nexus
aye, will a 650 evga (gold +80) work fine w/ a 6800 xt gaming x trio 16gb Msi gcard?
vital oriole
it will, but it's kinda pushing it
coral nexus
damn, alright, wasnt trying to plug in a new one. Safe than sorry I suppose. Better to buy a higher psu than.
Thank you
or I guess I can just buy a 6750, not that much diff, but I wouldnt have to unplug my stuffs.
keen nacelle
aye, will a 650 evga (gold +80) work fine w/ a 6800 xt gaming x trio 16gb Msi g...
What model
naive bane
a regular game gpu bench mark is the same thing as furmark?
Im scared to run furmark lol
fringe scroll
Im scared to run furmark lol
Furmark won't damage your gpu aslong as it's not overheating (modern gpus have protection for this)
And no running a game is not the same
Furmark is a power virus it will push that card to its absolute limits
Now... are you checking temps or stability?
oak rivet
Can name some games which act like furnark if you want
naive bane
Now... are you checking temps or stability?
Everything as I buy 3080
Can I simply run a game and see if everything is fine?
fossil root
I'm a newbe, have a Lenovo Desktop Computer ThinkCentre M93P Intel Core i5 4th Gen 4570 (3.20GHz) 16GB DDR3 240 GB SSD Windows 10 Pro 64-bit . It has
Slot 1: Low Profi le, PCI Express 3.0 x16 (40w max)
Slot 2: Low Profi le, PCIe 2.0 x1
Slot 3: Low Profi le, PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 elec, 40w max)
Slot 4: Low Profi le, 32-bit PCI 2.3
I need a graphics card upgrade that equals or exceeds, Nvida GTX 660 or AND Radeon HD 7850 and will fit in the above listed slots (all are empty) and work in my computer. My budget is $100 to $150 can you give me some suggestions? thanks.
naive bane
Can name some games which act like furnark if you want
Sure, which? And what to look at while testing and for how long?
oak rivet
The metro series are very notorious for this
Basically kinda ignores undervolt a lot of the times
lone pond
a regular game gpu bench mark is the same thing as furmark?
modern nvidia cards auto throttle when running furmark because nvidia got tired of their garbage vrm designs blowing up
there is virtually zero risk to running it on a 3080. I don't recall if Kepler or Maxwell was the last generation where furmark was actually a problem
ancient crystal
I'm a newbe, have a Lenovo Desktop Computer ThinkCentre M93P Intel Core i5 4th ...
if you can find a low profile nvidia GTX 1650, or a low profile AMD RX 6400, either should work fine. getting more with the system you have is probably not super wise, but buying one of those should satisfy your needs
livid idol
The 40W slots are concerning there, you'd need a card with a 6 or 8 pin power too.
ancient crystal
ah 💩, i missed the wattage
fossil root
Thanks for the info, Broke down and purchased Diablio 2 remastered, since I've run Diablo 3 and Immortal didn't expect any issues, even with an older computer. The power requirements maybe a pain- have to a card that uses 40 watts or less. I'll see whats out there.
livid idol
You can use a card that needs more power if it has a 6 pin power plug too
Assuming the power supply has said 6 pin connector
fossil root
Haven't opened the case in a while, I'll check, thanks again for the advice and explanations. In 93 I got Doom on shareware cost me about a grand in upgrades to make that work......probably going down that rabbit hole again.
livid idol
You can build a fully new entry level gaming computer for about $700 with room to upgrade later. Let us know if that becomes the path you want to take, we'll put a list together.
fossil root
That is truly tempting, if I can't micky mouse this graphics card, I'll take you up on that.
naive bane
rain aspen
I see that Rtx 4070 are not released yet but I see asus rog 4070 everywhere? How come? And they expensive...
random walrus
I see that Rtx 4070 are not released yet but I see asus rog 4070 everywhere? How...
4070 Ti maybe?
rain aspen
Yes... I thought that TI cards where an upgrade of non ti caed 😅??
random walrus
Yeah they are. Not sure why ti is out but base model isnt
rain aspen
Ok... I'm not crazy 😄😄😄
livid idol
Yeah they are. Not sure why ti is out but base model isnt
Because they tried to launch the 4070 ti as a 4080 and everyone lost their minds, so they had to cancel and rebrand it
random walrus
Because they tried to launch the 4070 ti as a 4080 and everyone lost their minds...
@rain aspen
fringe scroll
🗿
livid idol
Ah cad, that makes a difference
Looks like the market in maple syrup land is still terrible
You may be best off waiting and seeing how the 4070 compares, unless you want to look at the used market
rain aspen
You can buy hundreds of can of maple syrup at that price...
rain aspen
Absurd comparison really
Yep... 😄
normal hawk
You can buy hundreds of can of maple syrup at that price...
Get a budget GPU and all the maple syrup you want with the money saved
cyan vault
I've had my 7900 XT for about 2-3 weeks now-and I've been noticing some really weird temperatures
At idle with default fan curve, no overclock at all it gets way higher than I think it should
Seems to sit around 50 right now idle and it gets up to 65-75C even with 100% fan curve
livid idol
You're sure it's idle and a background process isn't using it?
I know discord will misbehave sometimes and use a ton of GPU for no reason
cyan vault
You're sure it's idle and a background process isn't using it?
Afaik it's idle, I'll kill all the processes and run it at stock for a few minutes to see.
livid idol
I had discord using 60% the other day with just a gif and 2 png images on screen
Had to disable hardware accel, again
hot bough
what's the performance difference between GTX 1660s and RTX 3050?
cyan vault
I had discord using 60% the other day with just a gif and 2 png images on screen
Yeah it’s sitting at 53 stock with nothing besides Radeon open
I had wallpaper engine open before but it doesn’t seem to have been the problem
56 now
livid idol
what's the performance difference between GTX 1660s and RTX 3050?
Not much difference tbh
Hmm weird indeed. And you say the fan is at 100%?
cyan vault
Well running stock it gets there, if I just put it to 100% no overclock its around like 40 maybe?
Didn't notice this issue until today and I did just so happen to update drivers today, tbf
livid idol
Yeah it is sounding like DDU time to me
hot bough
Not much difference tbh
3050+12400f vs 3060+11400f which do you think would be better?
Picking out a prebuilt for my friend.
livid idol
3060 hands down
hot bough
same price.
hot bough
3060 hands down
Gotcha, we're on the same page then.
cyan vault
Yeah it is sounding like DDU time to me
The horrors that drivers bring 😢
livid idol
Indeed. I've noticed people needing to clean up a lot more frequently lately too, for all brands.
livid idol
7 year old CPU will struggle with fortnite etc
Fortnite gets 30 fps on 1080p low with a i5 6500
hot bough
really?
oof.
So that's a no. My friend wants a Prebuilt to run Fortnite, his budget is $600.
livid idol
Wow what a guess I made lol
livid idol
A 3050 could do it (so a 2060 would also by extension) since that game relies heavily on the CPU
A 3050 can do 1080p high at 100 fps for that matter
hot bough
how would a GTX 1660 do?
odd siren
About the same
hot bough
as the 3050/2060?
odd siren
Ye
hot bough
gotcha.
odd siren
1650>1660>3050>1660S>1660Ti/3050 Ti>6600/3060 8gb>3060 12gb/6600XT/6650XT
Is what my small brain remembers
With effort
livid idol
You're remembering the 3050 twice for some reason
odd siren
You're remembering the 3050 twice for some reason
Meant to be a Ti
Don't blame the smol brain
livid idol
Is there a desktop 3050 ti
livid idol
How's this system?
That one should handle fortnite nicely, 12400 is great
hot bough
Great.
livid idol
Looks like you can expect 60 fps stable at 1080p high
hot bough
👍
livid idol
(assuming HP hasn't choked the CPU again)
odd siren
Wow it has a functional side vent
HP managed to achieve the brainlet basic case design that Dell couldn't
livid idol
Looks like the CPU will be pretty choked off but at least you can leave the side panel off in the worst case, unlike alienware
Or slap a fan over that side vent somehow to pull air better
odd siren
It looks like it already has an exhaust fan so it's probably fine
Like yeah not great but far better than dell lmao
normal hawk
So that's a no. My friend wants a Prebuilt to run Fortnite, his budget is $600.
Steam deck and install windows.
Jk. But it would work
limber flax
So maybe...
rustic pulsar
Just out of curiosity, are these cards the same?
heady turtle
Just out of curiosity, are these cards the same?
1) https://www.pbtech.com/produ...
Correct, they're both 4090 HOF's although I'd never buy either as an end user for obvious pricing reasons
rustic pulsar
Correct, they're both 4090 HOF's although I'd never buy either as an end user fo...
looks like the pbtech one has boost clock of 2610MHz and the newegg one has 2625MHz. But i'd assume same PCB, cooling system, and binning?
also prob wont get one too much money for what +2% perf
heady turtle
looks like the pbtech one has boost clock of 2610MHz and the newegg one has 2625...
The newegg one looks like its a factory oc card although for hof i didn't think they had 2 versions, are you just looking for a white 4090? because the HOF is super overpriced because it's limited quantity and designed for extreme overclocking
rustic pulsar
The newegg one looks like its a factory oc card although for hof i didn't think ...
Im justing looking at what I cant afford lol
Do u know if the OC one is binned differently?
I probably get like 4080 or something but waiting till graduation in June
heady turtle
Im justing looking at what I cant afford lol
Do u know if the OC one is binned d...
Probably not I'd imagine their maybe trying to enter into the boarder than XOC market
rustic pulsar
Probably not I'd imagine their maybe trying to enter into the boarder than XOC m...
ahh got it so just marketing schemes
heady turtle
Most likely yes
cyan vault
Rate my efficiency?!
livid idol
-1W
Syntax error, divide by zero
oak rivet
merc 310
heady turtle
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xt-rx-79tmercb9/p/N82E16814150877?Item...
I'd get this instead, cheaper and just as good as the merc
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-7900-xt-rx7900xt-pg-20go/p/N82E16814930083
quiet oasis
It has rgb tho🫣🫣
Might consider
But i dont like the looks
And since this is my first decent gpu, i want it to look good
vital oriole
rgb can be turned off
quiet oasis
Still the merc310 looks cleaner
vital oriole
You're only looking at the side when it's in tbh
quiet oasis
Its cleaner on the sides too
No ugly transparent plastics
Plus its clocked a little bit higher
heady turtle
Nothing you can't do in 2 seconds in the drivers
And you won't notice the difference between a factory oc card and not
I'd also check the sapphire pulse see if you like that, same price as the asrock
cyan vault
Just a question I thought I would ask- is it normal to see low CPU usage in some games? I've been playing RDR2 at 1440P max with a 7700X and 7900XTX and my CPU is always super low clock speed. Frames are good, but just wanted to know if this behavior is normal or what
livid idol
Very normal at 1440p
oak rivet
You can use dlss or fsr quality or balanced to see a bit more cpu usage but rdr2 is just too gpu bound nature to end up cpu limited
oak rivet
you have the slider turned upto ultra quality ?
try these
has the best ratio of perf to visuals
the AA options dont matter if you use fsr btw
fringe scroll
the AA options dont matter if you use fsr btw
I found fsr to make the crappy ground textures look better
random walrus
Nah get outta here
random walrus
People spend $1000+ on a rig and $200+ on a monitor then willingly use TAA smh
And then say VA smearing is bad lmao
TAA is cheap, in more ways than one
Devs use it to half bake their effects
And in almost all applications it has bad temporal ghosting
I hate how bf5 & bf2042 force it on
random walrus
I hate how bf5 & bf2042 force it on
Plus tons of other recent games
fallen vault
RDNA3, wait for it or get RDNA 2? (Midrange)
random walrus
RDNA3, wait for it or get RDNA 2? (Midrange)
RDNA 3 is already here
fallen vault
I mean mid range GPUs. 7900 is outside of my budget.
fallen vault
Okay
oak rivet
TAA is cheap, in more ways than one
If you have the raw gpu horsepower to spare there is dldsr on the Nvidia side
And just turn of any AA
A solution for games which have no dlss
random walrus
Pretty sure dldsr isn't really raw power, it's just running dlss on your native res and downscaling
random walrus
if you have raw gpu horsepower you should use SSAA or 8x/16x MSAA
random walrus
You are rendering at a higher res then your monitor res
yeah it uses dlss tech to do this I believe. render at native -> use dlss to upscale to higher than native -> downscale to native
I could be wrong/thinking of something else but i think that's what it does
random walrus
seems like it isnt solely downsampling
unless the 1080p fps number is vsync or cpu bound
oak rivet
Don't think soo some think 1080p is piss easy for gpus but it really isn't
coral nexus
am I missing something or is RX 6800 GAMING X TRIO 16g better then a 6750 XT OC?
green harness
am I missing something or is RX 6800 GAMING X TRIO 16g better then a 6750 XT OC?
A 6800 is faster than a 6750xt
cyan vault
has the best ratio of perf to visuals
I get good frames either way but this is what I normally use lol, just put it on ultra and see that. Even ultra with resolution scale up the leaves look bad though...
Vegetation in general looks iffy in rdr2 not sure if I have wrong settings or somethin
ember eagle
Price wise, a used 3090 (600$s) vs a 4070ti for 700$
vital oriole
I would head for 3090
vital oriole
^
oak rivet
missiing out on frame generation and way better power efficiency there
need to weigh up the pros and cons
random walrus
Vegetation in general looks iffy in rdr2 not sure if I have wrong settings or so...
This is most likely TAA
odd siren
Tell us your problem
blazing sphinx
Tell us your problem
i want to upgrade my gpu but i dont know what card i should get
odd siren
Alr
blazing sphinx
i have a rx 580 and want to stay with radeon
blazing sphinx
This includes the psu name and wattage
i forgot the name but its 750 - 800 watt
its corsair though
thats all i know
odd siren
Need the full name my friend
Also need the rest of the pc specs
And while we're at it your budget
If I don't have a full snapshot then it gets hard to recommend something without a catch 22
blazing sphinx
Also need the rest of the pc specs
im pretty sure its the rm750e
i have a ryzen 5 3600 with 16 gb of corsair vengeance lpx and a 1tb samsung ssd
vital oriole
that's a good psu then
blazing sphinx
And while we're at it your budget
budget is like 300 and 350 at most
odd siren
Alright, that makes it easy
vital oriole
can do something like 6800 maybe?
odd siren
RX 6700
vital oriole
forgot the price
odd siren
Heck even 6750xt I think is exactly 350
odd siren
That's about the limit I'd go with a 3600
blazing sphinx
just found that one before you send it
odd siren
Cheapest 6700 is 330 anyway so the extra 20 is easily worth it ye
7% more money for like, 15-20% more perf
blazing sphinx
Cheapest 6700 is 330 anyway so the extra 20 is easily worth it ye
i also had a question about my cooling
odd siren
Go on
blazing sphinx
i have 4 corsiar fans and a corsair aio and i feel that my fans are not cooling as they should
i tried to adjust my curves but i couldnt
youtube was no help
odd siren
If you have an aio in the pc for the 3600 you're pretty much overkilling it
blazing sphinx
wdym?
odd siren
Unless it's some 120mm
Aio is just overkill for a 3600 to begin with, they run fine with the amd stock cooler
Any 240mm is overkill period
odd siren
For 350 budget? Not really
blazing sphinx
aight
blazing sphinx
yeah i needed a new monitor as well mines now is pretty bad
blazing sphinx
Then maybe cpu later
thanks for the help though
odd siren
I'll give you a couple to look out for
HP X27Q/X32
Gigabyte G27Q/M27Q
Any of those 4 at 220$ or less are really good buys
1440p 144hz+
odd siren
thanks for the help though
Np
ancient crystal
i'm mad that the monitor i bought at newegg said 165Hz in the image but i missed the description saying 75Hz (the actual refresh rate)
it was a minor mistake, but it threw me off
i didn't get to see that it was 75Hz until i got to use it
...more than 30 days after buying it
so it's on me, naturally
i still want the high refresh rate
hasty monolith
that sucks
random thunder
i'm mad that the monitor i bought at newegg said 165Hz in the image but i missed...
What brand?
ancient crystal
Acer
nova grail
Is my gpu screwed
livid idol
Try a new cable, port, and monitor before you make that call
nova grail
Try a new cable, port, and monitor before you make that call
switchin cable ports fixes it temporarily
this is the worst its been
its usually just streaks upon startup
never during use past the first 10 seconds of being online
ill order a new cable
naive bane
ill order a new cable
Wait, connect it to mobo first
velvet grail
Wait, connect it to mobo first
What if there's no iGpu?
velvet grail
switchin cable ports fixes it temporarily
Maybe it's one of your monitor connectors...? Have you tried another input?
oak rivet
a sneak peak
naive bane
heady turtle
sweet
random thunder
wow just bought mine asrock but did it go up in price i dont remember it being 1120.00
I swore it was a thousand a couple days ago
lone pond
a sneak peak
just vram things™️?
lone pond
Also muh Nvidia better at rt 🤷♂️
I mean... if it's better at RT in raw performance but is running out of vram it's still stronger at RT. just not better if that makes any sense
still though, happy to be vindicated. nobody liked when I pointed out that Ampere would age like crap because of the memory capacity 
oak rivet
still though, happy to be vindicated. nobody liked when I pointed out that Amper...
You are having a degraded visual experience aswell it's not even about fps or lows anymore
The process there shows active usage not even allocation
nova grail
Wait, connect it to mobo first
what
nova grail
What if there's no iGpu? <:pepehmmm:903335097305034783>
what is this
oak rivet
what is this
Very weak graphics processing unit that resides in cpus
heady turtle
wow just bought mine asrock but did it go up in price i dont remember it being ...
It was ye
nova grail
connect it to the mobo first, so you can see if the gpu is faulty straight on
oh throw a hdmi into the mobo? got it
heady turtle
oh throw a hdmi into the mobo? got it
That'll only work if your cpu has integrated graphics so if you're on amd, the cpu will end in g, if you're on intel, the cpu won't end in f
random walrus
You are having a degraded visual experience aswell it's not even about fps or l...
Overallocating vram
Set the texture budget to something within spec and it will look fine
nova grail
nah my 5600 doesint have oe
green harness
That'll only work if your cpu has integrated graphics so if you're on amd, the c...
Zen 4 has integrated graphics on CPUs w/o a g
livid idol
Overallocating vram
Not exactly, game engine devs have been complaining about 8GB for a long time. It takes a lot of work to compress and optimize all those 1440p textures and they're just done with Nvidia's BS so they're barely trying in hopes that Nvidia starts to suffer and changes their ways.
Meanwhile Nvidia doesn't care and they're banking on GDDR7 next gen to solve the problem, but the 24Gb chips they need won't be available for a long time.
oak rivet
we will have a interesting vid soon 
lone pond
Meanwhile Nvidia doesn't care and they're banking on GDDR7 next gen to solve the...
but don't worry, they'll be an AI company by the time it matters, we'll all be usibg Chat GPT by then, trust me 
gilded crystal
My case took some modifying so it's no longer pretty but managed to shove a 7900xtx in it lol
vital oriole
jank 100
heady turtle
Zen 4 has integrated graphics on CPUs w/o a g
Okay well them too
But they're new so i kinda forgot lol
gilded crystal
jank 100
If it works it works. Didnt have any power tools so I just bent the aluminum until it broke
vital oriole
i approve of the jank
gilded crystal
i approve of the jank <:kekw:741678350791081994>
The graphics card has its nice vertical mount in there so it doesnt move. the only things unsecured are my HDDs that are used to store all my dashcam footage from my old car
naive bane
should i start selling my 3080 right now or it won't matter 1 year from now when rtx 5xxx will come out? i just think that it will take much longer to sell the 3080 when rtx 5xxx will come out, is this true?
odd siren
Sell it if you no longer need it, keep it if you still do
3080 is a plenty capable card, people still are happy on 2080Ti's
I don't feel like it'd take any longer, rather you'd just accept the lower market price
naive bane
Sell it if you no longer need it, keep it if you still do
its just that my current 3080 took 4 months to be sold, i dont wanna wait that long
fringe scroll
3080 is a plenty capable card, people still are happy on 2080Ti's
"Still happy with 2080tis" like its a cheap card 😭
naive bane
"Still happy with 2080tis" like its a cheap card 😭
as a 2080ti ex owner, i agree T_T
oak rivet
A 3090ti or 4070ti is a better place to be at for a satisfying gaming experience 👌
vital oriole
lol
odd siren
"Still happy with 2080tis" like its a cheap card 😭
Pretty fair to compare two high ends from two gens tho imo
vital oriole
Used gpus will always sell at the right price
odd siren
Considering the 3080 will be that "2080 Ti" 2 years from now
vital oriole
And well, once every new gen comes
The older gpu has to get cheaper
It's not gonna take longer to sell, but needs to be cheaper to sell
But if I were in that situation, I would sell once it no longer delivers what I want
ancient crystal
i think actually many people are still happy with 1080Ti
it depends on your needs entirely
odd siren
Yeah absolutely
ancient crystal
i've got an RX 6400, i am mostly fine with it
i want to upgrade later, but that's not what i'm concerned about now because my games play reasonably well
keen nacelle
A 3090ti or 4070ti is a better place to be at for a satisfying gaming experienc...
HAH
Meanwhile my 3060 ti doing 100+ fps at 1440p in nearly all games at high settings
People considering high end as the bare minimum is absolutely hilarious
ancient crystal
also, people considering a 3060 Ti as being a low-end card is rather funny when the 1660 Super/Ti still exist as RTX-less competitors
they're not as good, but they're still pretty interesting as low-end cards
good 1080p/1440p performance
i mean some games are better optimized than others
and it shows, a lot
fringe scroll
i think actually many people are still happy with 1080Ti
I loved my 1080ti
Played everything at 1440p
ancient crystal
completely maxed out, i'd imagine
i definitely want a better GPU but i'm just not sure which, or how i want to go about it
heady turtle
Lol why in the world would you buy a 3070ti at current pricing
oak rivet
Exactly you buy a 6950xt
hot bough
Pato, Incase I forgot, Thank you for the windows iso the other day.
heady turtle
You didn't I don't think but thanks again
ancient crystal
https://youtu.be/7H7epxa5ris
this guy using the word "trigger" to describe people getting upset about his video is dumb and it's really hbard to take him seriously
being triggered is a legitimate psychological thing and it comes from receiving trauma, usually earlier in life
coral nexus
6800 msi trio worth it, under 500$?
oak rivet
6800 msi trio worth it, under 500$?
Yes
coral nexus
I’m not a huge fan of nvidia cards, I think the last one used was a 660. Still have that dinosaur. Anyhow 6800 is equivalent to a 3080, slightly diff specs, but I assume if I can get the card it’s worth it. Could go for a 6900, but I don’t think theirs a huge difference to justify the price of a 6900
lone pond
being triggered is a legitimate psychological thing and it comes from receiving ...
the internet changed the meaning of the word, if you don't like it then change the internet 👍
lone pond
6800 msi trio worth it, under 500$?
only if it's well under $500 considering they go for sub $400 used semi-regularly
coral nexus
I can find them used for 400ish on eBay, but uh lol I’d have a hard time trusting computer pieces from random joe on eBay.
The real issue is I may just have to upgrade my psu, which is why I’m like I’ll just go with a 6800, if I can get away with a 6900xt or better, for the price point I’ll do that.
ancient crystal
the internet changed the meaning of the word, if you don't like it then change t...
the internet doesn't get to rewrite useful medical terminology. not going to argue with you about this nonsense, instead i'd suggest you read some psychology textbooks and delve into the part about trauma responses.
lone pond
the internet doesn't get to rewrite useful medical terminology. not going to arg...
I'd suggest you stop caring so much 🥱
lone pond
I can find them used for 400ish on eBay, but uh lol I’d have a hard time trustin...
money back guarantee is insane. if you buy on ebay you're set
lone pond
sounds like projection mate
oak rivet
I’m not a huge fan of nvidia cards, I think the last one used was a 660. Still h...
It's better then a 3070ti but a bit slower then a 3080
It's the 6800xt which is the true 3080 competitor
coral nexus
I thought this was where we discussed tech for pc. Go to whispers homie.
ancient crystal
i'm not letting my DMs get sullied with this nonsense, so i'll just stop responding.
lone pond
It's better then a 3070ti but a bit slower then a 3080
they overclock like a champ though. you can max out the sliders on basically every sample if you give it the MPT treatment. easy > 3080 performance in raster
coral nexus
money back guarantee is insane. if you buy on ebay you're set
What cha mean, like if it’s not a good card? Just return it?
lone pond
What cha mean, like if it’s not a good card? Just return it?
pretty much. contact ebay if it's DOA or not as described and you get your money back
lone pond
Oc doesn't count in a buying decision
kinda silly if every sample does that though, isn't it? if it were random and not every one was going to do it, sure, but given every 6800 will OC to > 3080 performance I think it's definitey worth factoring into the purchasing decision
ancient crystal
the best way to get money back on a faulty ebay item is the buyer protection thing
oak rivet
You can also get a xt have out of the box 3080 perf also the thing you mentioned as a bonus
ancient crystal
basically, if you fill that out then paypal will just take your word for it as a customer and debit the seller's account to pay you back
lone pond
You can also get a xt have out of the box 3080 perf also the thing you mentioned...
sure, what's your point
oak rivet
Out of the box 6800 is not 3080 perf
lone pond
and?
coral nexus
So if I go with a 6800, I’d be okay. Without upgrading my psu, if I go for a 6800xt , 6900xt, I assume I definitely need to upgrade psu. Currently it’s a evga 650 gq + 80 gold.
ancient crystal
how much power do those things take?
lone pond
again, if every 6800 will do > 3080 performance with 30 seconds worth of fiddling, it's worth considering in the purchasing decision
lone pond
how much power do those things take?
6800 stock is a 220-250w card, closer to 300-330w if you max it out
oak rivet
You can also do that to a xt soo just have a gpu which has a higher baseline if you have the money