graphics-cards

[cyan vault]

Uhhh I mean crashing while I overclock but that is expected

I didn't get a super fancy one just the base powercolor

[odd siren]

Ah yeah that's fair enough

But once the OC is dialed it likely will do it much less

[cyan vault]

Insane how it's like half the weight of my old GPU and at least 50% better

Just gotta get used to AMD overclocking cause it's different than afterburner

[odd siren]

Indeed

I have a thread that might be worth some reading if you are willing to put the hours in

One sec

[cyan vault]

I'd love to! Overclocking is super fun

[odd siren]

https://www.overclock.net/threads/xfx-rx-7900-xt-xtx-merc-owners-club-force.1803701/

Incredibly useful thread. Overwhelming amounts of RDNA 3 info

[cyan vault]

Not sure if I'm crazy also; is there more sensors in this than previous cards? There's like 1500 for power that I don't remember before

[odd siren]

Yes

There's a buttload LMAO

[cyan vault]

Too many....

[odd siren]

My XTX had like a whole page I sorted through

[cyan vault]

The more the merrier

Ray tracing performance isn't even that bad surprisingly

[odd siren]

It's really not

People underestimate it a lot with RDNA 3

But all things noted it's quite the improvement

[cyan vault]

Using fsr/rsr makes it on par with nvidia unless you wanna go crazy with like ultra ray tracing where it barely changes

[odd siren]

The market is to blame for a lot of this tho

4000 series also improved but they've priced it so what you pay for scales almost perfectly with the performance

[cyan vault]

I was really considering a 4070TI but the markups on the partner cards along with similar performance but just greedy nvidia I went with the XT

Can't deny the strength of a 4090 though. Those things are inhuman(?)

[odd siren]

I don't even blame it, the only caveats of the XT are RT, VR and blender

And even then VR isn't disgusting

[cyan vault]

I've heard people complain about VR, haven't tried it but will have to just to see

Doubt it's as bad as some reviews said. Someone gave it like 1 star and returned because vr was "unplayable"

[odd siren]

Some have called it pretty bad

I haven't really touched VR with mine yet either so can't really give any positive affirmations here lol

[cyan vault]

I do wonder; what's the point of 20GB of vram if most games don't even use 10? I'm at 1440P so that might be why, but even cyberpunk was around 8-10. Could also be for production I'm not sure

[odd siren]

20gb vram is really nice to have

It's an absurdly generous amount

[cyan vault]

It seemed super overkill

[odd siren]

Definitely nicer than 12 on the 4070Ti

[cyan vault]

GCD hotspot maximum is around 94C under OCCT power, average is like 90

[odd siren]

That sounds fine

As long as sub 110 it's no issue, but sub 100 is ideal

Gives some room to breathe

[cyan vault]

GPU power maximum was 480W 😭

How is that possible

[odd siren]

Spikes

Mine spikes to 550+

Nyooo dun give me ur covid

I'll be stuck if I got covid

Glue me to forks

I demand 1 5995wx for solvent

[cyan vault]

Is the radeon software the best OC tool for 7000 series?
Are there even any others?

[odd siren]

There's one other tool

MoreClockTool

It's like Adrenalin but simpler

Some people have better results/affinity to it

[cyan vault]

In your experience does fast timing actually do anything? Seems useless from everyone else I've seen mention it lol

[odd siren]

I find it only seems to make things worse

Less stable and not better

[cyan vault]

Interesting

And for min frequency; I've seen conflicting ideas about it. Does setting it actually matter?

[odd siren]

Mins and maxes I've had conflicting results

Often it will ignore them but for some people they have

*helped

The main three are power, vram and voltage

Work out the best vram clocks then start undervolting the voltage until it's lower but still stable

It'll boost higher with lower voltage

A lot of this stuff should be in the thread I linked

I'm not sure about XT but XTX a lot of people end up in the 2740-2810 region for vram

Rarely lower

[cyan vault]

Yeah I’ve been trying to OC but keep running into an issue where screen just turns full black, I hear like a click and it’s off 😪

Gotta find the right area IG

Only in furmark though

Yeah it’s like the SECOND furmark opens there’s a click and it turns off

[vital oriole]

Sounds like not enough power from psu

[cyan vault]

It runs every 3dmark test fine.. weird

Gonna try and log with heinfo and gpu z

Hm..

I have an igpu but it's disabled

So not sure what this could mean 😭

And it’s only in the 1440p benchmark preset

[odd siren]

I wouldn't opt for furmark anyway, it's just a power virus, not a good stability test these days

If you wanna see big power number and temps go brr? Sure, but that's about all it's good for lol

[livid idol]

At the same time, if it's crashing in furmark there's either an issue with the GPU or the PSU isn't up to snuff

There's a pretty quick spike in power when it starts so it's possible a transient load trips it

[odd siren]

I've never run furmark on the XTX

And tbh with the power profile it has I wouldn't be surprised if it straight up has issues

[oak rivet]

I see no better way to test a psu or the cooling capacities

Furmark with prime 95+linpack seems best way to test worst case scenario for a psu

And keep clicking the space button

[odd siren]

Or just occt power

[oak rivet]

That's not long enough

[odd siren]

For a GPU it's plenty long enough

Neither are stability tests for a gpu, you'll work out what's thermally stable ±5C in under 30 minutes

[cerulean rover]

Occt power is worse than both furmark and p95 smallffts iirc

Furmark just works its magic as a power virus

[odd siren]

It's pretty bad lol

Then you can stability test ram with whatever you want

[cerulean rover]

Iirc I got it to draw like 10w more with furmark+p95 smallffts compared to occt, tracked with hwinfo64

Although that was a while ago

[odd siren]

But even then, OCCT 3D isn't as bad and still more than what you should see in daily gaming use

[cerulean rover]

It's way better for stability testing

Although I like just running 3dmark ts

Quicker results ime

[odd siren]

TS stress test or tse loop yeah

[cyan vault]

Occt power works fine

Furmark is messed up idk

[odd siren]

I do that then +30-50mv on amd

[cerulean rover]

Somehow my ocs often don't trip occt's 3d test in half an hour and crashes in time spy in the first minute

[fringe scroll]

You can change the length it runs for

[odd siren]

Yeah they won't

[cerulean rover]

Dunno why that happens but meh

[odd siren]

Cos occt 3d is a static load whereas TS is dynamic

[cerulean rover]

They do have a dynamic load setting iirc

[fringe scroll]

On occt my system was drawing 750 from the wall 💀

[oak rivet]

Have to pay tho

[fringe scroll]

No you dont for power

[cerulean rover]

But yea I just like ts over occt when applicable

[odd siren]

Me too tbh

Or superposition 8k

[cerulean rover]

I like all the unigen benchmarks but I haven't used them in forever since I always have 3dmark downloaded and forget to download them

[odd siren]

I mean TS is fairly solid

[cerulean rover]

Heaven for testing vram though

[odd siren]

I always add margin onto it and I'm generally fine

[cerulean rover]

And superposition is an added layer to ensure stability

[odd siren]

Ye

[cerulean rover]

Ts(e) and superposition are both good

Best if you run both

[odd siren]

Hearing a click is telling of the psu btw

[livid idol]

None of those power tests are good at finding transient issues tbh

[odd siren]

But yeah I wouldn't stress, I would rather disregard it tbh if occt runs

Cos occt is already extreme

[oak rivet]

The beginning of furmark is a spike

[cerulean rover]

Furmark spikes pretty hard

[odd siren]

Mhm

[cerulean rover]

It's not like spiking over and over but if it'll trip, furmark is probably going to trip it

[oak rivet]

Clicking space rerenders the donuts creating a spike

[livid idol]

Ah that I didn't know you could do

[odd siren]

I would call that extreme of extremes lol

@cyan vault what cpu, how many psu cables are plugged in and what wattage is the psu

[cerulean rover]

Also what PSU?

[odd siren]

Ye

[cyan vault]

Sorry, out rn! 7700X, it has two power cables 1 8 pin 1 4 pin but I don’t have a 4 pin

PSU is enermax d.f. Revolution 850W

[odd siren]

Ok I doubt the psu itself is defective or overwhelmed by the specs

It's probably just tripping from OCP

[cerulean rover]

How is the GPU connected?

[cyan vault]

2 6+2 pins

Not daisy chained

[cerulean rover]

Revo d.f. is multi rail

Which connectors

[cyan vault]

Uhhh it just said pcie on them not sure

[cerulean rover]

I can't remember if it's 2 connectors on one rail or all on separate 12v rails

[odd siren]

Ooo if it's multi rail that could explain it

[cerulean rover]

Ye so how exactly it's connected might matter

[cyan vault]

Yeah not sure what that means

So like the slots on the PSU?

[odd siren]

It'll def matter

[cerulean rover]

Means it has separate trip points for each rail, which means it'll trip if a single rail goes over ocp trip point and not just if it'll trip based off everything combined together

If it's like 2 connectors on one rail, one on the other, best to spread the load out

[cyan vault]

Lemme try to draw where they’re connected afaik

[cerulean rover]

Looking at it now it has a really interesting setup

2 of the 12v rails are rated for 40a, 2 of them are rated for 25a

[cyan vault]

Idk the pcie I’m not gonna lie

It’s 2 of em

[odd siren]

Maybe try shuffling the pcie connectors around

[livid idol]

Here's how the rails are arranged for reference

12V1 and 12V2 are 25A, 12V3 and 12V4 are 40A

[odd siren]

So the 6 pin with the cpu

And the 8 pin on its own

Or pcie top bottom cpu in 12v2

[cyan vault]

Ok so put the CPU on the separate one, and the two GPU in the bottom pcie?

[livid idol]

CPU is in 12V2 right now

Which is fine

[cyan vault]

I might have one on the top pcie

[livid idol]

In which case it would be sharing with 12V3

[cyan vault]

I don’t remember I’ll check tomorrow

[odd siren]

It's better to have one in each rail isn't it

[cyan vault]

Oh maybe it’s on the bottom then

No clue

Ok I’ll make sure they’re all on their own

[odd siren]

Cos 40Ax12V is 480W

Which would make sense then if you're tripping the psu with furmark

It's tripping one rail

Granted somewhat over 480W

[cyan vault]

I think the max I saw was around 450 in other benchmarks

So I’ll check that and make sure

[odd siren]

If you have one in each rail it'd be a technical 960W of headroom (it wouldn't but it'd be higher than 480W+10%)

[livid idol]

It would be going higher than that during a spike

[odd siren]

Ye

[livid idol]

Up to 600W or so probably

(max)

[oak rivet]

https://twitter.com/ultrawide219/status/1637143496053383173

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[ebon parcel]

trying to keep my GPU from getting so hot but even when I lower power limit on MSI Afterburner the HWMonitor still shows that whatever the hot spot is got over 101 C . I guess I'll have to take it to a repair shop

[livid idol]

Have you tried ramping up the fan curve so more air blows into the case?

[heady turtle]

And or a custom gpu fan curve

[velvet grail]

Finally figured it out, and the way my GPU drops frequency is a bit strange:
<40C 2085mhz

40C & <47C 2070mhz
47C & <57C 2055mhz
57C & <62C 2040mhz
62C & <72C 2025mhz
72C 2010mhz

[oak rivet]

2010nhz at 72c sounds high you probably got some oc applied?

[velvet grail]

Yep

Overclock and undervolt

[oak rivet]

What is the fan speed % at

[velvet grail]

It maxes out a 65C

I made my own curve to make the GPU as silent as possible, my GPU doesn't run really hot, I was able to get 72C+ by slowing down the fans a bit, else my GPU usually runs like 62C max at 90% fan speed

[oak rivet]

At what power consumption

[velvet grail]

215w max

It's a 2080, rated for 225w but the UV keeps it below 210 when gaming

[oak rivet]

What was the aib model

[velvet grail]

215 only in benchmarks and stress tests

[oak rivet]

Also your room ambient

[velvet grail]

Gigabyte windforce 3x non oc

[velvet grail]

20C

[limber flax]

it isn't even at 80C yet

that overclocked undervolt is fine

[velvet grail]

Yeah I know

[odd siren]

That's the Nvidia boost table in play, its core temp dependent and will boost less as the temp goes higher

[velvet grail]

I know, I just wanted to figure out when the 15mhz drops occurred, because most card start from 50C and drop every +5C, but as you can see mine starts from 40 and drops every 7, 10 or 5C

[ebon parcel]

I've tried, but it still peaks at 100+. Is it not high enough?

I've also tried lowering power limit

[odd siren]

It'll be written to the vbios. Whether it's a deviation from standard turing I'm not sure, but that's definitely very normal

I haven't played enough with turing specifically to tell you where the freq drops start

One stepping of frequency isn't much anyway

Wouldn't notice it in a blind test that's for sure

[velvet grail]

Of course, 15mhz would barely mean one single FPS drop probably

[odd siren]

Ye

With Nvidia as well, the better your undervolt curve the better you can manage to offset the boost drop as it's working faster with less voltage

You can't avoid the boost table but you can def fine tune a curve to run better if not already

I do it a lot with 3dmark synthetics

Even at higher voltages/power playing a better curve is still meta at ambient

[velvet grail]

I was able to get my 2080 to boost at 2085mhz at 0.981v (it basically never gets to this frequency as it drops after 40C) and 2070mhz at 0.968v

So my 2080 never ever exceeds 1v

[odd siren]

Ye, for my 3090 it would run like, 2070, 2085 at the start of synthetics but boost would drop down at least a bin or two as the card warmed up to near 50C

[velvet grail]

this is the curve i use

[odd siren]

3080 did it too but at like, 2140 or something

That's a good curve

That's the proper way to do it

[velvet grail]

what voltages were you able to get for those frequencies?

[velvet grail]

I never bothered changing the lower frequencies or trying to undervolt them because it'd take so long and its probably not worth it

[odd siren]

For ampere? Oh the voltages were quite different iirc

3090 I think was around 1.05(?)

My 4090 does 1.15 locked

3080 I don't remember at all nor the 1650

[velvet grail]

yeah but a 4090 also has much higher boost frequencies

[odd siren]

And I haven't touched the 1080 in a long time lol

Ye but ampere and turing are also dramatically different architectures, not really apples to apples

[velvet grail]

i do have a 1080 in my 2nd build but i never took the time to undervolt it properly, i did some to get rid of the annoying coil whine and it worked

[odd siren]

This stuff falls under Nvidia boost 3.0/4.0 behaviour btw with what you're curious about

[oak rivet]

with 20c ambient ngl i think temps could be lower then 65c

[odd siren]

It'll read core and will downbin until it throttles at the core max

Think of it like, thermal velocity boost

Same principle but hardcoded

[velvet grail]

if youre talking abt my 2080, nah, I guess is's fine and also I tried 100% fan speed and i cant go lower than 61C

[oak rivet]

4070ti owners flexing their giant coolers on us

[velvet grail]

btw my 2080 is just a 2 slot card with a relatively smll cooler, even if it is a 3 fan card

[oak rivet]

if my room was at 20c i could aim for sub 60c at 250w usage

[velvet grail]

it'll depend on many things

fan size, speed, (cfm), cooler dimensions, other heat producing components on the card pcb that also affect the overall temp...

you can't just say 250w should do <60C temperatures

[limber flax]

yes, he can

he can say anything

whether it's feasible, reasonable or makes sense?

[velvet grail]

yeah but he won't always be right

[limber flax]

that's another issue

[oak rivet]

currently idling at 27c in a 25c room

[limber flax]

wooo idle temps low

[odd siren]

Skill issue

[limber flax]

effectively meaningless

[velvet grail]

same for my 2080, idles 23C with 40% fan speed

[odd siren]

Idle same as ambient when

[velvet grail]

using 40% cuz they're really quiet

[oak rivet]

oh the fans arent spinning

[limber flax]

oooo idlleeee

[odd siren]

Mine don't either

[velvet grail]

that's really good then

i wanna see mine what temp achieves with fans at 0%

[limber flax]

under load is what truly matters

[odd siren]

But even then

If it's in operating specs it doesn't

[limber flax]

under 100C?

is that operating spec for the die or

is it like 110

[odd siren]

Depends

Mobile is usually up to 100C

But pascal and ampere iirc throttle at 85 and 83-91

(adjusted ofc)

That's for desktop

I can't remember ada, one sec

[velvet grail]

my 2080 barely touches 28C with fans not spinning and few applications open (ds, hwinfo, afterburner...)

[odd siren]

Ada is 84 to 88

Ada mobile will be 100

[velvet grail]

of course heat will build up after some time so the card will get slowly hotter

laptop gpus 🔥

[limber flax]

laptop gpu smol cooler

big heat

[odd siren]

140W 4060 brrrr

[velvet grail]

I once undervolted my cousin's 1050ti mobile and was able to get it from 88 to 58C max

[limber flax]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-thats-hot-cool-amazed-gif-13488740

[odd siren]

Pascal has some renowned good scaling

I wouldn't mind dailying a 1080 again. It was nice

[velvet grail]

just discovered you can set the curve to look like this lol

instead of this

[oak rivet]

have a strix 1070ti lying around

[limber flax]

silence, then suddenly WHRRRRRRRRR

[oak rivet]

i think 10% within perf of a 1080

[velvet grail]

nah, it's quiet til 80%

[limber flax]

oh that's nice

[velvet grail]

but then it gets pretty loud i'd say

[odd siren]

The stepped curves are good for fan stop but if you don'tike sudden ramping it can get annoying lol

[velvet grail]

but i think it is just a way you see the graph, i'm not sure if it affects how it ramps up

[odd siren]

It does

[velvet grail]

ohh

[odd siren]

It's an instant jump from say 40 to 60

Instead of gradual

That's what I mean by sudden ramping

[velvet grail]

brah why does it even exist

[odd siren]

I mean, if you tune it well it can work quite nicely

Better to use the regular curve tho imo

[velvet grail]

i think it's better too

[oak rivet]

use the profiles with static fan %

[velvet grail]

I should lower my case fan speeds cuz they're a bit loud with gpu under load

[oak rivet]

just toggle the game profile on when playing a game

[limber flax]

yeah it's not a laptop

you really don't need to do that

takes out a whole hotkey from you

for what could be achieved using the fan curve

[oak rivet]

what hotkey lol

[limber flax]

you can set a hotkey to each profile?

or are you really going to go and open afterburner, click on it, and then minimize it again

more steps for a result that could just be achieved automatically

[velvet grail]

you always have 5 profiles available on ab

[oak rivet]

yeah

[limber flax]

yeah but you have to click on them to use them

[oak rivet]

precision has more iirc

[limber flax]

or you can set each one to a specific hotkey

why do that, when curve does fan speed for you?

that's literally my entire point

[velvet grail]

if it is blue it means it's being applied (curve/offset/power limits...)

it'll depend on the type of gui u use in afterburner tho

[limber flax]

i know how it works lol

i'm just saying if you're using it just for a fan curve, there's no point

i set my undervolt overclock to my first profile because that's all I'll ever be using, and I set my fan curve from there so I don't have to swap off of it when I'm done gaming

[velvet grail]

isn't the fan curve the same for each profile?

[limber flax]

wait, you're right

god damnit this was all pointless

[oak rivet]

ok thx for the idea got macros for days here

[limber flax]

fan curves still better though

literal set and forget

boop fan curve once, and you're set until you're unhappy with it

[velvet grail]

thicc spacebar

[limber flax]

it do be thicc

imagine setting macros for non-game things, couldn't be me

[velvet grail]

i'm probably the only one using a dell oem keyboard on a 1k build

[limber flax]

actually, wait i take that back

[velvet grail]

tomorrow i'm finally ordering the 5600x :]

[limber flax]

nice cpu

[velvet grail]

why does it keep changing : ) into 🙂

[limber flax]

not 3dx though?

:)

[velvet grail]

nah

[limber flax]

it's a discord thing

[velvet grail]

where do i disable it

i remember you could do it somehow, right?

i just cant find where

found it, i'm blind

[limber flax]

same

lmaoo

[velvet grail]

:)

[limber flax]

:(

[velvet grail]

7€ 128sd card real pog

need to buy rn

[limber flax]

shee

[velvet grail]

Like if I don't already have 4 64gb cards and 2 32gb ones

I also had a 128gb I bought for 12€ but i lost it

[heady turtle]

What's your fan curve look like in afterburner?

[heady turtle]

Ah make it go to 100% at 70c imo

Because it throttles at 83 so that way even if you have to max fans it shouldn't hit 83

[velvet grail]

100% when it starts to thermal throttle?? Lol

That's not good

[limber flax]

what pato said

i set mine to 100 at 75C

[velvet grail]

I found out why my 15mhz drops didn't look right the other day, I was looking at them while playing beamng drive, and using MSI afterburner (actually rtss) in game overlay but the sensor I chose for the frequency doesn't report correctly or doesn't report the actual one the GPU is running at

Gotta change that

I also discovered my GPU overclock/undervolt isn't stable in beamng (2055mhz crashes)

:'(

[velvet grail]

You should also reduce that fan speed update period

2-3000 would already be better

[cyan vault]

Yeah I had them on the same rail, moved it and it's good now!

Still an unstable OC but it doesn't turn off my pc lol

[odd siren]

Awesomesauce

We cracked the egg

[cyan vault]

Might’ve been my problem with the last card I had lol

Cause it had 3 8 pins

[odd siren]

Ooo what was the last card

[cyan vault]

3080

It would randomly go max fan speed and turn the display off

[odd siren]

Hmmmm, maybe

Depends on which plug was which maybe

[cyan vault]

It was also a defect in the model I had which is more likely lol

[odd siren]

Well, no use thinking about the spilt milk

[cyan vault]

I have noticed a little bit of coil whine(?) when loading into graphically intense games

Not sure what it sounds like but its kinda like "tss tss tss"

[odd siren]

Yeah that could be coil whine

You can eliminate it with a frame cap if needed

(may/may not work)

[cyan vault]

It’s only been when loading up one game never like during gameplay

[odd siren]

Ye

Loading screens can have insane fps

[cyan vault]

Oh fair

Not really a problem though, 7900 XT runs insanely quiet

Ah yeah the loading screen hits like 500 FPS sometimes

[ebon parcel]

is this better?

[velvet grail]

Yes

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/iHzcdr3wL3E

[normal hawk]

Impressive tbh. Especially the Fortnite with HW RT enabled.

6700XT is matching the 3060 Ti with better 1% lows

But then beating it at high instead of epic.

[oak rivet]

Because the rt in fortnite is super lite anything heavy rt related it still takes a bit of a dump

6700xt still the stronger raster card tho

3060ti has console like rt and dlss 2 going for it

Buyer has to weigh in their pros and cons at this point

[livid idol]

Fortnite isn't hardware RT, it's software based

Or did they make that a toggle? Because it's a toggle in UE5

[oak rivet]

There is a toggle for hardware based rt which makes the rt more accurate

That's where the Nvidia cards make some ground

[livid idol]

I see, so they did end up enabling that as an option. I don't play so I'm a little behind.

[woven compass]

#imagine hail with rain

[rocky mortar]

what manufacturers are good for gpus

[umbral granite]

Gigabyte, ASUS, PNY, PowerColor, MSI, are probably some of the better ones. XFX, ASROCK, ZOTAC Sapphire are all good brands, too

[rocky mortar]

is $570 too much for a 3070

[umbral granite]

Yes

I wouldn't pay more than $500 for a new 3070

If you want to consider AMD, you can get a 6750xt for $410 right now or a 6800 for $500 which both can be comparable or even outperform in some cases the performance of a 3070. 6800 being a little better. If you're set on NVIDIA don't pay more than MSRP or look into the used market.

[rocky mortar]

good?

[oak rivet]

Can get a 6750xt under 400

With game bundles aswell

[livid idol]

And with full warranty, renewed doesn't

[formal furnace]

Would shared video memory make a difference

Instead of it being 3gb would it work better than that because of the 8gb basically would it run games better

[livid idol]

Shared memory is a BS marketing thing, it's drastically slower than having the 6GB

Not just that but the 3GB model is actually slower than the 6GB by about 10%

[oak rivet]

Infinetly slower when runs out of vram in any relatively modern game

[livid idol]

Yeah when I had my 1060 3GB I was running out of memory in fallout 4 on 1080p medium (no mods)

It would start artifacting really badly

[oak rivet]

Oh you actually can't even launch halo infinite on cards less then 4gb vram anymore

[livid idol]

Missing textures etc

[formal furnace]

So basically a 4gb card or over go for

[oak rivet]

6gb will atleast launch every game still not ideal

[formal furnace]

So a gtx1660 super or above

[oak rivet]

If at a good price pretty much yea

[livid idol]

Most modern games require a 1660 minimum for 1080p 60Hz yeah

[oak rivet]

The a750 dropped to like 230$ in the US iirc

[livid idol]

Yeah that would be a decent option now that it's mostly fixed

[oak rivet]

Now it's in the price bracket of the slower 6600

I will take the faster card even tho the perf range could still use some work

[formal furnace]

what other gpu that you can find cheap on facebook would be able to go with that pc and also what should i offer on it since its listed at 299 i can show you the pc pictures if you want to see it.

[molten river]

I have a t3060 TI - some good gaming monitor

[odd siren]

Interesting, 40 series doesn't like ReBAR

On Intel???

[livid idol]

HUB again? I just started the video

Hmmmmm
This is why I have been recommending gigabyte lol

It doesn't apply to all games though, naturally

[limber flax]

Gigglebyte superiority

[oak rivet]

very much soo looks like broken rebar on intel

could test with rebar on in the intel system and black list horizon from rebar in profile inspector

[hardy badge]

Help!
I upgraded to a 3070 ti and for some reason the frames for CSGO have gotten worse. I can barely pull 200fps. I have a i7-10700KF processor with 32GB of ram. Any suggestions are welcome

[vital oriole]

From what gpu did you upgrade from?

This sounds like the cpu becoming the bottleneck from the gpu being too fast

[oak rivet]

lol

no matter how cpu bound or what fps is not supposed to become worse

[vital oriole]

I'm just making early speculations

Anyway it can just be that you might have to run ddu and reinstall gpu drivers

[hot bough]

Is this because of the better XMP on Gigabyte boards?

[livid idol]

That's one reason yes

Looks like leaving ReBAR off by default is the other

[hot bough]

What is Rebar?

[livid idol]

Resizable BAR

Also called SAM on AMD

It lets the CPU have direct access to the GPU memory. It has a couple percent gain in some games, a couple percent loss in others.

Or in the case of LGA1700, a 15-20% loss apparently

[hot bough]

Oh geez.

[hasty monolith]

Playing at 1080p using a 5600xt is more dependent on the cpu than gpu right

[livid idol]

Also depends on the game in question

[hasty monolith]

like persona 5 royal on pc

[oak rivet]

Lol they removed hzd from rebar whitelist in the new studio drivers

[ebon parcel]

For thermal paste should I get Arctic Silver 5 or MX 4? Also does anyone have recommendations for thermal pads?

[odd siren]

Mx4

Gc extreme thermal pads iirc are good, nice and squishy

Remember to measure 3 times before ordering the exact thickness you need

[vital oriole]

mx5 better tho

4 is discontinued

[odd siren]

No mx5 was discontinued

4 is better cos it doesn't separate

And MX6 is better than both

[vital oriole]

oh wait

it's the 6

that is the better one, okie

[oak rivet]

https://www.neowin.net/news/amd-2332-driver-brings-support-for-resident-evil-4-remake-the-last-of-us-part-i/

https://twitter.com/PellyNV/status/1638899508556832771?t=FVAusflbklhEkd40FttQWw&s=19

Sean Pelletier (@PellyNV)

New Game Ready Driver for Diablo IV Beta, The Last of Us Part I, Smalland: Survive the Wild, Deceive Inc., Resident Evil 4, Cyberpunk 2077’s Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode, and the arrival of DLSS 3 support for Forza Horizon 5!

https://t.co/ya3oNQpkgK

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 1:44 PM

For those on Nvidia

Frame generation adoption rate is soo much faster then dlss 2 initially is crazy

[wicked hound]

Well those doing Dlss2 are more then likely not doing too much extra work for dlss3 frame gen (afaik at least). Now that Dlss in general has been out for a long time and 2/3 are pretty usable the adoption rates should be pretty good.

[ebon parcel]

Is gc a specific brand of thermal pad?

[vital oriole]

ye

gc extreme

[waxen orbit]

as5 lol

[oak rivet]

https://videocardz.com/driver/intel-arc-iris-graphics-31-0-101-4255

everyone on top of their game for re lol

[ebon parcel]

Is there a way to find out how thick the thermal pads are on my GPU without disassembling it? Also if I can't get the pads in the thickness I need, should I layer thinner ones together?

[livid idol]

You can try to find out if someone has disassembled your exact model of GPU and reported the pad thickness, but odds are slim.
Layering pads makes them transfer heat much worse.

[fallen vault]

What should I upgrade my rx 5700 xt to? My budget is $450

[livid idol]

You could get a new 6750 XT for that. Probably won't need to upgrade your power supply that way. https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/GDvdnQ,RbYmP6/

Or if your PSU has enough oomph you can get a used 6800 XT

[oak rivet]

Or a new 6800

[livid idol]

Cheapest one of those I saw was $464 though, a little out of budget

And honestly not much better than the 6750 to warrant the $90 extra cost

[odd siren]

that's an amazing buy

[livid idol]

That works I guess, didn't see that earlier

[oak rivet]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6800-gv-r68gaming-oc-16gd/p/N82E16814932382?

Why is the link soo big lol

[odd siren]

remove everything after the question mark safi

question mark onwards are cookies

[livid idol]

And sometimes referral links but yeah. Metadata in general.

[odd siren]

ya there you go

works for every website

[livid idol]

I give it a 98% success rate

Amazon you want to delete ref= and everything after

[odd siren]

ah yeah amazon does the ref thing

but isn't that also after ?

?

[livid idol]

? is after ref=

[odd siren]

it is after ?

[livid idol]

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Internal-Gaming-MZ-V8P2T0B-AM/dp/B08RK2SR23/ref=pd_bxgy_sccl_1/141-0262700-0447232?pd_rd_w=Fp4Ap&content-id=amzn1.sym.6ab4eb52-6252-4ca2-a1b9-ad120350253c&pf_rd_p=6ab4eb52-6252-4ca2-a1b9-ad120350253c&pf_rd_r=96DRP3HMKJT0G4H6TGVA&pd_rd_wg=EHUIJ&pd_rd_r=0c6f4eb7-76b2-4e37-a546-3e34e0dc47a3&pd_rd_i=B08RK2SR23&psc=1

[wicked hound]

Except for Canada Computers: www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_64_1969&item_id=183432

[odd siren]

woah

whoooaaahhh

[oak rivet]

Also those who want a 4080 class product

[odd siren]

whoooaaahhhh

[livid idol]

yooooo

[odd siren]

[livid idol]

[odd siren]

Merc my beloved

also smh Fal linking 980 pros

evil ssd

[livid idol]

ik ik I'm bad

It's literally the first link that came up for me on amazon lol

[odd siren]

lol

[livid idol]

Well technically it was a prosiphon elite but that one had the metadata stripped already

So that was the first link on that page

[oak rivet]

https://twitter.com/JirayD/status/1639319522216755204?t=5dSyKOywylgK_sv57DZp_w&s=19

The good Hunter 🐀 (@JirayD)

@Dachsjaeger Someone at AMD has heard your prayers:

Likes

149

Twitter · Mar 24, 2023, 5:33 PM

Hope we see a stutter free future ahead

[vital oriole]

a future where game devs has more excuse to optimize games less?

the tech is cool in theory, but the practice is instead the result we don't desire

[livid idol]

Yep we're already seeing too many examples of that. Can't get 60 fps with a high end GPU? Just enable DLSS!

[vital oriole]

we're at a never seen before rate of games getting heavier within a year

all thanks to these technologies existing

even non rt titles suffers from this

[heady turtle]

Well if you're buying sure x)

[ancient crystal]

so: i'm not gonna be able to get a 3060 for a long time, i've got this silly intel graphics at the moment.

i was thinking about buying an RX 6400 so i can enjoy some diablo 3 and a few other not too demanding games

is this a good idea?

it's cheaper by a lot than the GTX 1650 and offers pretty similar performance.

cheaper by a lot.

[heady turtle]

I'd highly recommend buying used instead

[ancient crystal]

yeah, that is actually what i'm doing

for $127

[heady turtle]

You can get like 1060 6gbs for under 100$ now if you're in the us

[ancient crystal]

oh really

too bad i don't have the power for it

[heady turtle]

Wdym?

[ancient crystal]

i bought an HP and i'm living with it.

[heady turtle]

Ah no pcie power?

[ancient crystal]

no extra power. 6pin or 8pin.

yeah

[heady turtle]

That complicates things:/

[ancient crystal]

so the card i was going to buy is actually a close equivalent to a 3060, the RTX Quadro A2000. but I can't buy that right now, not for a long time.

[heady turtle]

Yeah hmm probably 6400 then

[ancient crystal]

they've got these SATA to 6pin/8pin adapters

[heady turtle]

What price are they used btw?

[ancient crystal]

but i still don't think the power supply will work

[heady turtle]

Never convert sata

[ancient crystal]

they're $127 where I looked for a nice not too large powercolor

[heady turtle]

Molex is ehh but sata is rated for maybe like 25w iirc

[ancient crystal]

lol @ that

[heady turtle]

Used?

[ancient crystal]

yes

it's a more recent card, they can ask for a fair bit i think

[heady turtle]

Hmm because you can get them for 134 new lol

[ancient crystal]

where

[heady turtle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qmZ9TW/sapphire-radeon-rx-6400-4-gb-pulse-low-profile-video-card-11315-01-20g

Maybe you can use that to leverage price a little more down?

[ancient crystal]

hmmm i'll be damned.

i can't get it lower because the $127 seller is a refurb on amazon

i don't really think of refurbs/used as being different

because used is used, and refurb is rarely much work

[vital oriole]

A used 1650 is feasible tho

[heady turtle]

I would yeah I'd say refurb is way closed to new and because it's from an actual retailer

[ancient crystal]

why do i choose the 1650 over an RX 6400

[vital oriole]

But 1650 low profile is hard to get anyway

[ancient crystal]

oh i don't need low profile

[vital oriole]

6400 is about the same performance iirc

[ancient crystal]

the card i was looking at is just the "ITX" but not low profile.

you suggested the 1650. I was wondering what about it makes it somehow a better idea

that's all

of course, brand loyalty isn't a factor for me

[vital oriole]

there's no brand royalty

1650 offers similar perf and is older, thus is generally cheaper used

[ancient crystal]

ah

[ancient crystal]

i found the RX 6400 i want on amazon for $99.99 but it's a low profile refurb and i'm not sure if it has the regular full length bracket

[narrow rune]

99.99 gonna blow your pc up

[ancient crystal]

it's an RX 6400, most used ones go for about $125-130

[lone pond]

Is it possible to put a gpu in my lenovo flex 5

[vital oriole]

nope

[heady turtle]

I mean it doesn't matter if it does or not tbh

[ancient crystal]

it does

you need to have a bracket that fits

low profile does not fit my PC

i don't want to go through the whole

contact manufacturer

pay them more money

wait 6-7y business weeks

the problem is, it's advertised as low profile and as a renewed product it is likely a refurb

which means, it probably was sent back with whatever bracket the user used and not the other

which means, it likely has a low profile bracket installed and is missing the standard one

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQA3cTPNicg

funny how a 6700xt and 6800 can actually play the game at those settings despite being cheaper

[ancient crystal]

i think this is mostly because AMD is just throwing raw specs out whereas nvidia is focusing on their unique technologies a bit more

i don't think either way is better or worse, but in the end the end-user should get the thing that suits their usage patterns most

[velvet grail]

Found a 3060 12gb (inno 3d) for 170€ near me, should I pick it up?
Sounds a bit too good to be real

[heady turtle]

The only thing is you won't be able to screw into the case as long as you don't shake the pc around it'll be fine

[heady turtle]

It would be a good deal if not broke or something

[ancient crystal]

i don't want to ghetto rig anything like that. i'll pay the extra $25.

[heady turtle]

Up to you but it really won't make much of a diff

[vital oriole]

Or buy a gpu bracket

As easy as that

[ancient crystal]

yeah i'm fine with the thing i'm gettijng

[fast timber]

Would it be worth buying a 7900xtx? Currently have a 3090 and 5900x.

[vital oriole]

Depends on what you do with it

But generally I don't think it's needed

[ivory herald]

If not 4k, then no

[keen nacelle]

Imo the only worthwhile upgrade is 4090

And that's only if you play at 4k 144hz and have money burning a hole in your pocket, or if you do workstation tasks that require gpu power like machine learning

[gilded crystal]

Im looking at getting a 7900 xt for my desktop and was hoping someone has found a good vertical mount

Also open to recommended upgrades to go with it. Ryzen 9 5900x, MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus, 32 GB (2x16) 3600 Mhz and 16 gb (1x16) 3200Mhz ram, EVGA 650W 80+ gold power supply

[odd siren]

Probably just the psu depending on the model

For vertical mount look up cooler master vertical gpu mount v3

[gilded crystal]

When you say model what do you mean? The graphics card would be a MSI Gaming 7900 xt Gaming Trio Classic 20G. The PSU I think I labelled correctly but its also been 7 years since I originally built this thing

[odd siren]

Considering the power profile of the cpu and gpu I would think a particularly good evga psu like a g6 could (probably) handle those two in the system

Also btw the classic is a bit of a meme card, 10$, 20$ more for a different variant will get you an actual performance gain between XT's

It runs the lowest possible power of all RDNA 3, less than even the AMD reference cards lol

So ye, depending on the psu I would say yay or nay on still using it

[gilded crystal]

The PSU is a supernova NEX650G according to the box lol. In terms of graphics card im just looking for something under $1k and will hold its own for year to come. The classic was just 850 so it caught my eye

[odd siren]

When did you buy this psu?

[gilded crystal]

Roughly 7 years ago lol. Its been running this poor rig the entire time. The PSU, RAM, GPU, and case are all from the original build 7 years ago roughly

[odd siren]

Wait are you running 48gb ram?

[gilded crystal]

Will be lol. I have a slow 16gb right now and was told to get higher speed and match it to the Graphic card. Figured may as well leave the original 16gb in there when I throw 2 more faster 16gbs in lol

[odd siren]

Nah sell the 16gb then go with the 2x16

You'll be slowing all the ram down by mixing kits

32gb is fine

But 32gb as a set, mixing is where ram gets really slow

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vTTxwc

[gilded crystal]

I thought as long as they were 2 seperate channels it would be fine?

[odd siren]

Nah man

Mixing is mixing, it trains the ram to slower timings

There's a good 30+ unique timings in ram set that a board sets up to run the ram at a certain speed so it's fast, and by mixing kits it has to run a set of timings that works for both different sets, which is often much slower

For the XT I picked, it has one of the best pcb's and best power limits for the GPU so you'll get the maximum 7900XT performance

And the PSU is solid, it'll handle the crazy power behaviour of rdna 3

Only 50$ more than just the classic MSI too lol

[gilded crystal]

The ram is all from Corsair. Im trying to find out what the actual speed of it is. I couldnt find that XT when I was looking but I also wasnt looking at brands I havent used before.

[odd siren]

It all being from corsair almost guarantees both sets are unique and built different underneath

Lol

They use a literal lottery of chips, it's extremely inconsistent

[gilded crystal]

Ive basically only used MSI, Gigabtye and Asus

[odd siren]

Asrock is a sub brand of asus, they're quite good with amd stuff

[gilded crystal]

Ill have to check what speed its running because I remember over building the ram lol. Ill look at the ASRock stuff but ive mainly been on Newegg because it all has to make it to Japan

[odd siren]

Ah I see

The asrock does have newegg available

The psu too

You should be good

[gilded crystal]

Oh i definetly dont have good ram lol. Task manager shows 2133 lol

[odd siren]

Lol

Alr one sec, I'll give you a kit to grab

Do you want rgb?

[gilded crystal]

I cant squeeze RGB sadly. I only have 40mm of clearance

[odd siren]

Ah I see, so you've already bought the 32gb 3600?

I'm guessing it's lpx

[gilded crystal]

nope its sitting in the cart with the classic right now

[odd siren]

I see

[gilded crystal]

yeah they are all lpx because it fit before

[odd siren]

Alr one moment

[gilded crystal]

It seems if I throw an extra 200 at it I can get an XTX which leads me to an entire new arena lol

Honestly at this point if raising the limit to 1250 is what it takes to make a future proof build for just the GPU then its a possibility. I just want to be able to run it for 7 years like I am doing with my poor 1060 6gb right now lol

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P3Vc8r @gilded crystal

If I were to choose between xtx and xt rn? Xt is better value

Xtx represents 16% more performance for 20% more cash

But if you want to go XTX, the same asrock model is yet again one of the best and it's msrp (999)

[gilded crystal]

Is it worth the extra cash to get the Taichi over the Phantom? All these make no sense to me lol. My 1060 was self explanatory with its name

[odd siren]

The best rdna 3 cards are liquid devil, nitro+, merc310, asrock phantom/taichi, asrock aqua, gigabyte elite

[odd siren]

Same card just different aesthetics

[gilded crystal]

Oh ok then lol. Neither of them fit the build color anyways so it doesnt much matter to me lol. As long as they are them same then the cheaper is my option

[odd siren]

Oh well what colour is the build?

[gilded crystal]

I was originally going for white because it didnt use to be as common but then realized that those parts are ridiculous. Want to stick with white and blue as much as possible since its in a case that was DCed in 2017

[odd siren]

What about black white and blue?

[gilded crystal]

Its not really a big thing for me. The case only has one small Plexiglass window on it that looks directly at the Ram and CPU so the graphics card is kind of hidden

[odd siren]

ah ok

well the merc 310 has a white backplate

I say white but it's silverish

[gilded crystal]

It wont get scene so the black is probably the best otion

[odd siren]

alr

[odd siren]

then yeah the asrock phantom gaming

[gilded crystal]

Thats the side view of the case lol. You cant see much in them

[odd siren]

ahh I feel like I recognise it

[gilded crystal]

Maybe. It seemed to be one of the largest you could buy for a while. I remember getting it and seeing that it could fit a 300mm Graphics card and just losing my mind at how small my 1060 looked

[odd siren]

nvm I don't

only 300mm?

ooo ah

hold on

[gilded crystal]

340mm correction

[odd siren]

oh ok 340 fits

safe

Alright here's the list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WwMvXy

I put both the XT and XTX in

[gilded crystal]

Yeah sent myself into panic there. I could alway remove some hard drive bays to fit it though lol. It only has like 15 HDD drive slots lol

[odd siren]

both will work with that psu

[gilded crystal]

all the storage lol

correction 11. Not including the SSD slots on the other side

[odd siren]

damn that's hella traditional

[gilded crystal]

oh yeah lol.

[ancient crystal]

that looks straight out of 2005

as such, i of course approve greatly

[hasty monolith]

Last of us part 1 comes out tomorrow. It says i need a 7900xt to get 4k. I have 6800xt with 5600 non x and 32 gigs ram i should be able to run the game at 4k right?

[fringe scroll]

Yes lol

If it actually needs that powerfull of a card just to be playable in 4k that's an issue

[gilded crystal]

apparently it was launched in 2013 and discontinued in 2016 or 2017. Ive asked AZZA about the case and they had even forgotten about this giant hunk of steel

[ancient crystal]

lmao

AZZA has wild designs anyway

i used to buy apevia and raidmax cases back in the early 2000s

like the first half or so

the Antec 900 was the best t hing at the time

but I couldn't afford it

[gilded crystal]

I think I mainly chose this case because it was cheap and large enough for a 340mm graphics card. By the time i remembered that I needed a case my entire budget was already spent on the other parts lol

[ancient crystal]

yeah, fair

the cable management isn't bad either

nor is the construction

people just immediately dismiss cases like that these days because it looks silly or whatever

[ivory herald]

Looks very similar to my circa 2008 CM RC690 in some ways, then cranked up to 11 in size

[ebon parcel]

I started to clear the old paste and pads when I noticed one of these matte black rectangular pieces is missing. Should I be concerned?

[brisk flame]

no

unless that chip is stuck to the cooler or something, but I highly doubt that

[ebon parcel]

alrighty

[livid idol]

Having one VRAM slot unoccupied is pretty common

[ivory herald]

Even 2 on some cards obviously(mine). Does that one above have 11GB or what?

[keen nacelle]

Could be 2080 ti or 1080 ti

[ivory herald]

That's what my pre-edit asked too. -- it's like if we ask someone if they drive a ford Chevy or dodge & just answer yes, lol.

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGXJVXgzNc

for anyone wondering its pretty one sided battle

[velvet grail]

I've found 2 used gpus online but I'm not too sure which one to choose...:
Evga SC 1080ti 11gb (220€)
And Asus dual 2070 super (200€)
Which one should I get? The main benefit I'd probably get from the 1080 is the 11gb vram but not much else, as it is has higher tdp (this model in particular is apparently a bit loud), and overall slightly worse FPS, I didn't find much about that 2070s model but I guess it'd be better... Right?

It's also a bit more difficult for a 2070s to pop it at this price so I think it'll be worth it even more, 1080tis sometimes come out for 200/220 but they're also older cards and less features

Should I go 2070 then?

[keen nacelle]

2070 super

[velvet grail]

Oke thanks

It's also a bit more good looking

[keen nacelle]

If the 1080 ti were like 30+ euro cheaper than the 2070 super, then sure, but especially with the 1080 ti more expensive the 2070 super is the better buy. It has dlss, rtx though that's meh, longer driver support, and better performance

Extra vram won't help a card of that tier in 95% of scenarios, and unless you do video editing, virtual machines, machine learning, or some other obscure uses, you are not in that 5%

[ebon parcel]

Oh is that where the RAM is on a GPU? I had thought the extra length of the 1080 compared to the 1060 was where the RAM was stored. Kind of weird, I guess, that they built the card to hold 12 but when they wanted it to just be an 11 GB card they just only put in 11. I had always been frustrated with how we can get more RAM but to get more VRAM we have to buy a whole new part

[vital oriole]

There's more to a gpu design than empty solder spots being left for higher end models

Like extra circuitry that enables the use of SLI (dead tech now but utilized with 1080 and such to enable multi gpu technology) or extra power regulation and management circuitry

VRAM, or Video RAM is closely tied to the vbios and the sku of the product itself

The amount has a limit to its usefulness, cause different types and standards of VRAM are configurated accordingly to cost, specifications of the core itself and segmentation

It's like how a 3060 having 12 gigs of vram isn't faster than a 3080 with 10

There's only very rare cases where having excessive amount of vram on a gpu that couldn't correctly utilize the extra available memory would be faster than a faster gpu but with less vram

Of course there's also unreasonable, or unorthodox configurations that comes out sometimes

cough nvidia's 40 series pricing

[obtuse pike]

Best graphics card under $250 tell me. Urgent

[ebon parcel]

I seeeeeEeeeee

I got my 1080 Ti for less than that on eBay

[vital oriole]

rx 6600xt

assuming you're in the us

[obtuse pike]

No bro. I am india

[vital oriole]

well erm

then find some used gpus i guess lol

[oak rivet]

Check how much a 6600xt or a 6600 costs in flipkart or India mart

[heady turtle]

Maybe an rx 6600 or rtx 2060 or something

[cerulean rover]

looks like 6600 starts at 24500inr (300$) and 3060 starts at 27300inr (330$)

[oak rivet]

which sites?

[cerulean rover]

https://elitehubs.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6600-gaming-8gb-gddr6-gaming-graphics-card/
https://mdcomputers.in/inno3d-rtx-3060-twin-x2-lhr-8gb-gddr6-n30602-08d6-11902130.html

[oak rivet]

3060 looks like the clear cut winner in this situation

oh its the 8gb 3060

💀

i would get the 6600 then for sure

[velvet grail]

Where the heck did the 8gb 3060 come from...?? I've never heard of that lol

[heady turtle]

They silent launched it

[viscid vault]

I mean isn't 12gb of vram just better than 8

[livid idol]

It depends

[hot bough]

Ehh sorta, it's like having extra ram.

[vital oriole]

8 gigs 3060 is not just cut down in amount

[livid idol]

Bus width is more important at that class of card

[hot bough]

No point in having more ram if the app can't use it all.

[vital oriole]

it has less cuda, and the vram bus itself is narrower

so yeah

lots slower

[viscid vault]

I see

[hot bough]

What they pointed out as well.

[livid idol]

Also remember that the bus being small was one of the main complaints against the 3060 to begin with

[viscid vault]

The RE Remakes graphics menu I guess spoiled me for knowing which settings add what amount of data

[vital oriole]

3060 8gb uses vram from 3050

you can guess how it's gonna go

[livid idol]

Should have called it a 3050 super or something

[vital oriole]

yep

or 3050ti

[livid idol]

But no, they didn't learn from the 4080 fiasco and decided to be deceptive again

[vital oriole]

^

and yet their mobile naming is far better

[livid idol]

Another thing to point out is the 3060 ti, which has 8GB of VRAM but a larger bus, getting a peak of 448 GB/s over the 3060 which has 360GB/s.

Then there's the G6X variant of 3060 ti that has 608 GB/s but that matters less at this class

[granite orbit]

hi. any suggestions for Graphic card under $550?

[livid idol]

US?

[livid idol]

Assuming US, this https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049

[granite orbit]

yes sir, thanks

[granite orbit]

Just to be sure it will worj with Intel right? i see it says AMD RDNA 2

[livid idol]

Yes you can mix and match GPU and CPU as you like

[soft flume]

How much is the 4070 gonna cost?

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

Nvidia doesn't even know what the price is until the day it's announced. Literally. That's what happened with the 3080 ti.

[soft flume]

Ok thx

I hope it’s like 650

[oak rivet]

Rumoured to be 750$

But that does sound kinda unlikely

[vital oriole]

700 for msrp cards 750 for non msrp from leaks

price reveal is on 12-13th april

[unique relic]

does the tuf rtx 4080 on newegg have global warranty?

[odd siren]

Anything you buy should come with some degree of a warranty

[unique relic]

ok yes I meant for repair if it becomes needed

I think they do refunds if I face a problem but I'm not sure about international repair

[vital oriole]

nah they don't have international warranty

[unique relic]

what about the protection plan?

[vital oriole]

Ya, but do read their policy

So far they seem to offer international service

[unique relic]

ok

[oak rivet]

@odd siren what was this picture about 4090 and overwatch?

Is that at 4k extreme?

[odd siren]

I think it was 1440p?

I found the screenshot but not the original convo

Here

It spikes to 740+W, it's basically transients which are mostly ignored

That's at 1.1V too, so nominal power would look more like around 500W on average

This is specifically with overwatch 2. Haven't tried it myself (dunno if I will tbh

[hot bough]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/HUNTVE-GeForce-Neptune-Tarjeta-gráfica/dp/B0BW6TTQ5T/ref=sr_1_43?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=U31R1KNFV59J&keywords=rtx+4090&qid=1680119331&sprefix=rtx+4090%2Caps%2C122&sr=8-43&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

What the heck is this rtx 4090....

[vital oriole]

it's a colorful 4090

lc version

[wooden fern]

Would a Ryzen 3 4100 pair well with an Arc a380? I dont really know about its backward compatibility with Cpus

[livid idol]

In general the GPU doesn't care what CPU you use. In the case of Arc you want a platform that has ReBAR which that CPU and at least a B450 board would have.

[wooden fern]

Thank you so much this really helps since my friend really didnt want to spend a lot.

[wicked hound]

Might actually be perf/$ regression from 3080-10. I dont think even Turing ever had perf/$ regression when comparing an older higher tier to newer lower tier GPU.

My perf estimates for 4070 are just above 3080-10 given Ada spec to perf curve. Hopefully Nvidia prices it well and my estimation is incorrect, but idk about that.

[sacred ore]

Wtf 💀

Oh that’s in pesos

But $5500 is still insane

[hot bough]

Ikr.

[odd siren]

Great card, not worth more than 1700 usd

[velvet grail]

Better.

[sacred ore]

Is that 175k or $175 and 971 cents

[ivory herald]

The former, because some places like to mixup comma & period for numbers. Note the currency symbol at the end.

[heady turtle]

The dot and comma being swapped annoys me because it doesn't make any sense lol

.x Implies x is less than 1

[sacred ore]

Yeah literally

[random walrus]

and commas are meant to just be separators for visual/ease of reading purposes

..do their numpads have a comma instead of a dot/period/decimal?

[heady turtle]

Afaik no

[frozen crag]

Why do I experience frame drops in like every game

[keen nacelle]

There are many pissivke causes

Possible

Could you make a pcpartpicker.com list of your build?

[autumn sonnet]

anyone know a 230$ pc build😅
if so please dm me

[keen nacelle]

a used optiplex

[livid idol]

Random used Xeon desktop from a recycler with an A380

[sacred ore]

You can get a chromebook for that price

[oak rivet]

performance gets crippled tho without rebar

[livid idol]

X99 has rebar

And you can always use this on any UEFI board https://github.com/xCuri0/ReBarUEFI

[oak rivet]

Older then 10th gen known to have buggy rebar iirc

[livid idol]

Better than nothing. And that package has worked as far back as the 2500k apparently.

[odd siren]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqdEbk8ONOO/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

nzxt

S👀N™

Likes

2896

Instagram

[hot bough]

Nzxt 4090?

[fringe scroll]

The all new nzxt hot box now with even less airflow 😁

[ancient crystal]

it looks pretty but probably not the best

all white designs like that are gorgeous, i've always thought

but, computers are not about looks

it's about what is best functionality-wise, otherwise you sacrifice some of that functionality for something prettier

[odd siren]

btw guys it's April fools thought I'd mention it

[fringe scroll]

Its the 31st kangaroo man

[odd siren]

[fringe scroll]

[heady turtle]

Sleepy tim flex

[odd siren]

weekend

[oak rivet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MTXNd9

was just making a build out of curiosity

and when the a620 comes could probably cut the board cost even more

[heady turtle]

The weeknd ™️ ?

Lol 4090, 850w and a 7600 cmon

[oak rivet]

850w is perfectly fine for a 4090 tho

thought this was cemented by now lol

[vital oriole]

i mean it's a decent list

but 6 cores for 229 is kinda too much these days

[oak rivet]

that is 6 cores which far outpace a 13400f and 12600k

[vital oriole]

i still don't like having 6 cores in the long run lol

[oak rivet]

fair

but i think of it like the 1600 and you get the last 600 something chip which was the 5600 for am4

[vital oriole]

can always upgrade once something like 7800x3d drops i suppose

since that mobo do be cheap

thanks to am5's insane standards even an hdv is decent

[odd siren]

I'd do 7700 with a 4090

If you wanted AM5

That or x3d

Can also do a cheaper cooler like ag620 or even ag400

And then put that towards a better ssd

I also think 10$ more gets you a better ddr5 kit iirc

Oops

Wrong cpu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KC2nxs

There we go

I would do this instead

[oak rivet]

Iirc the jump from 5600 to 6000 is more noticeable right?

[odd siren]

No, the sub timings are just as big if not bigger

Also any decent hynix kit should straight up do 6000 anyway lol

[oak rivet]

And the cooler seems good enough as all the non x chips are 65w targeted

[odd siren]

Yep

You can technically run all am5 just fine on a single tower if you're smart about it

But more importantly 7700 scales a bit better

That's sorta where I draw the line, like a 12700K, it's just barely there for a 4090 imo

And even then, I feel like there's benefits to pushing harder

Ideally, X3D or 13600K+

[oak rivet]

i mean if you use the 4090 at the res people recommend it for

[odd siren]

Meh, I'm still in that camp of taking the 8 core

[heady turtle]

Only 30$ more for a 1kw and if you 4090 money you can afford it, technically you could do 850w but i just can't recommend buying an 850w for it

[odd siren]

If you're gonna do zen do the best zen for games

[oak rivet]

i like intel but lga 1700 straight up seems dead at this point

[heady turtle]

It is dead but amd have only promised basically 2 more gens on am5

[odd siren]

I'd just go straight to x3d if you're considering an upgrade like this

[heady turtle]

Most people won't go from a 7000 to a 9000 series for gaming unless amd make some massive jumps in the next 2 gens

[odd siren]

X3D is likely going to match next-gen anyway

[heady turtle]

Depends on the games tbh

[oak rivet]

ofc if you have the money for it

[heady turtle]

Did you watch the ltt x3d vid felix?

[odd siren]

If you have 4090 money you def have x3d money

[oak rivet]

the point of the build was ultimate min maxed am5 build

[odd siren]

Yes

[odd siren]

X3d is still minmax lol

[heady turtle]

Yeah i mean x3d is fine but at current pricing (like 800$ for the x3d and the 900x3d doesn't make much sense cuz 6 cores just wait for 7800x3d)

[odd siren]

Well I am saying 7800x3d

I guess I'm not being super clear about it

PICKIE DA 8 CORE FASS BOI

[heady turtle]

Whens that's supposed to come out I thought it was end of march ie now?

[odd siren]

[odd siren]

Maybe now idk

[oak rivet]

it seems promising

[heady turtle]

No reviews from usual sources yet

[oak rivet]

official amd chart but still

[heady turtle]

You can never trust those

[odd siren]

Let's go post in r/AMD that we have one and see when they tell us the release date

[heady turtle]

Cherry picked

[oak rivet]

i expect perf to be in line with 7950x3d one ccd disabled

[odd siren]

Which is pretty much where it'll be lol

Within 2-3% of a 13900k/s

[heady turtle]

7900x3d is a silly billy

[odd siren]

Slower if direct die

Eh 7900x3d is funny cute

One ccd 7600x3d go brr

[oak rivet]

except a lot cooler overall on a better platform then a 13900k

[heady turtle]

Kinda makies no senses

[odd siren]

U make no sense

It's actually fine as a chip lol

[heady turtle]

If you need multi core get the 50x3d if you don't get the 50x3d or just wait til 800x3d

[odd siren]

Sure but you sacrifice a fair bit in production workloads

Like CAD zen 4 falls off a cliff

Absolutely no contest to 13th gen

[oak rivet]

e cores go brrr ig