graphics-cards

[livid idol]

ocbase makes occt

mersenne.org is for prime95

(It's called that because it's computing Mersenne prime numbers)

[livid idol]

2021 and 4096 MiB

[solid glacier]

boom and then i should close everything and let it run for a hour or?

[livid idol]

Yep

[solid glacier]

graphs only? or tables to

[livid idol]

Graphs are good for a quick glance

[solid glacier]

and this is for cpu only? or is it gpu to i should have only cpu graphs up or

[livid idol]

CPU and kinda memory

[solid glacier]

Damn straight to 74C on CPU

76

[livid idol]

It'll bounce around pretty steadily

[solid glacier]

What’s to high?

80c rn

[livid idol]

90-100 is max depending on your CPU

[solid glacier]

Ight cool, it’s only reached 81

[livid idol]

Looks good so far. Watch out for major dips in usage or frequency.

[solid glacier]

Where’s cpu frequency

Am I blind

Lol

[livid idol]

You don't have that graph up but power works too

[solid glacier]

You sure? I can enable it and stop this and run it again

[livid idol]

If there's a drop it'll be reflected in power draw

[solid glacier]

Do you think i should test my gpu after aswell or no? Bc the rma people did and there was no drops on their end

Big alike

Spike*

[solid glacier]

So far eveyrhting is good almost been a hour

[solid glacier]

It’s done now what

Now what

How do these look

What shoudl@I do next?

[livid idol]

Seems fine to me

[solid glacier]

Do you think I should@run that overnight test still?

[oak rivet]

Have a feeling in hogwarts I would have more fps with a 6650xt

Driver overhead go brr

[livid idol]

Yeah that game is still a mess as far as optimizing, give it a couple months

[primal dust]

Current rig:
Ryzen 5 5600x
B550-A Pro with Gigabyte wifi/Bluetooth adapter
Samsung 860 1 TB Sata SSD
MSI RTX 1660 Super
The next logical step is to upgrade the GPU obviously, would a 3070 be a good step? Problem is it costs like as much as it cost to finish my build last time around I think

[livid idol]

3070 would be good, try looking used. Alternatively, a 6750 XT has about the same performance level.

There's 6750 XT models you can get for $400 right now new

[primal dust]

Huh, that’s pretty reasonable! I’ll start looking around

[livid idol]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6750-xt-rx6750xt-clp-12go/p/N82E16814930071

[odd siren]

7900 XT has dropped in price to ~$800 or less

Finally justifiably decent versus the market

[white bloom]

what couldve caused my gpu to goto 75c during a game that never went above 64 after i downloaded a driver update? its fixed now after i restart, but its never gone that high even during stress tests

[livid idol]

Maybe a glitch in the fan curve. If it doesn't happen again call it a fluke.

[balmy estuary]

kuku kaka

[oak rivet]

Asked my friends who got 6800xt and 3090 with a 10400f

Guy with 6800xt is getting more fps then us both with Nvidia cards in hogwarts

[livid idol]

Yeah there's that driver overhead and poor optimization at work all right

[heady turtle]

Yoo 7900xt now available for 800$ now things get interesting
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-7900-xt-rx7900xt-pg-20go/p/N82E16814930083

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4470566

[stable gust]

Hello guys

I was wondering when Rog Strix 4080 white will be available on Newegg and how to turn on notifications for it

If anyone could help me

[livid idol]

We don't work for Newegg so we can't really answer that. You can ask @cursive urchin but I can't promise they know either, it's not their department.

Notifications aren't a feature that I'm aware of. Most people use bots if they're that interested.

[stable gust]

Thanks

[stable gust]

How can I use bots?

[livid idol]

Well you have 2 options. Program one yourself and have it use API calls or pay a service. I don't know of any I just know they exist.

[oak rivet]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-rog-strix-rtx4080-o16g-gaming/p/N82E16814126597?Description=strix 4080&cm_re=strix_4080-_-14-126-597-_-Product

it is available?

but the strix card is only 100$ away from a 4090 it seems

[stable gust]

@oak rivet Nope, just black. I want a white one

[stable gust]

oh really

No the difference is $326

[heady turtle]

to the strix maybe but theres plenty of 4090s for 1600$

strix isnt even worth over 1250 maybe

not even worth getting a non msrp card this gen theyre all very overbuilt

[heady turtle]

just get the aero ? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g4KKHx/gigabyte-aero-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-gv-n4080aero-oc-16gd

[stable gust]

@heady turtle My build is Asus+Corsair. I really want that Rog strix card. I currently have Rog strix 2080 super White

Oh I cannot share pics 😦

[keen nacelle]

Strix tax isn't worth it whatsoever, just overpaying for a brand

[oak rivet]

A 4090 is enough faster to justify its little premium over a strix 4080 imo

Seems like the msrp of the white strix 4080 is 1599$ same as a msrp 4090

[sonic mural]

@ orange mushroom

[wicked hound]

$1509 4080 is a very bad deal when you can get a $1600 4090. While your PC may be an art piece, it is still primarily a compute machine. I'd highly recommend prioritizing perf over brand when the imbalance is this great.

[solid glacier]

okay now idk if i wanna get the 4070 ti or the 7900xt

[odd siren]

Oh damn, the new Arc drivers made a huge improvement again

[solid glacier]

what should i do next now cpu came to be fine after the overnight test

[livid idol]

Did they make the control panel a standalone app again or is it still an OSD?

That's what I'm waiting on to start recommending it

[livid idol]

Depends on how much you want extra features like DLSS and ray tracing. Are those worth $100 to you?

[livid idol]

I'm back to being out of ideas sorry

[oak rivet]

You can choose

[livid idol]

Oh that's new then. You didn't have the option before.

[odd siren]

No talk about that yet, but considering they're getting to AMD levels of price/perf parity now with better RT, they're making some quick strides towards being truly viable soon

[odd siren]

Oh I didn't know this, I hope it's better

[odd siren]

Between my experience of Ada and RDNA 3 I'd say XT at the new $800 price, but based on your problems I'd say 4070Ti just to see if it's any better cutting AMD out of the picture

[fading glacier]

however, coming from a 6900xt that will look like a sidegrade 😦

[livid idol]

DLSS 3.0 tho

[odd siren]

Given as many problems as there's been I feel like this isn't really a sidegrade in this situation

[livid idol]

And that 6900 XT has been nothing but trouble

[odd siren]

Yeah

[livid idol]

Yeah

[odd siren]

Yeah

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-seinfeld-gif-5355403

[odd siren]

Lol

[fringe scroll]

You can always pay me the 800 and downgrade to a 6700xt

[odd siren]

It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a gpu just be disgustingly difficult to work with

[fringe scroll]

Navi 22 moment

[livid idol]

Right. There's even documented cases of motherboards simply not liking a specific graphics card. Applies to all brands.

Try the GPU in another computer, it's fine. Try another GPU, it's fine. Put them together, it doesn't even post.

[oak rivet]

the intel arc osd thing was fixed like a month ago

[livid idol]

Ah cool. I'll start recommending that in certain cases then, it's a good value for recent games.

[odd siren]

A750 does seem quite nice at the 250-ish mark

[livid idol]

Basically a 3060 with extra steps in some games

[odd siren]

We need someone in here with more first hand experience tho, Ralic hated his

[oak rivet]

wish it had the 16gb vram tho

[odd siren]

Eh

It doesn't really need it

[livid idol]

Unnecessary at that performance level

[odd siren]

Like every other card at that class punches at 8gb besides the 3060 lol

Ok, 1080ti? But that's a 5 year old flagship lol

[oak rivet]

AMD Radeon VII

[odd siren]

LOL

[oak rivet]

certain someone was involved in creating both the intel and amd card

[solid glacier]

Hm

[solid glacier]

Hey the purple is my cpu frequency not my gpu

We read it wrong that was my Cpu with the 3 major dips not my gpu

[odd siren]

Something's really wrong there

[solid glacier]

Yea very… me and FAL read it worng we thought that was my gpu but that’s my cpu frequency

[odd siren]

What cooler is this cpu on

[solid glacier]

Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler

[odd siren]

12700KF is stock, yes?

[solid glacier]

Wdym stock?

[odd siren]

No oc

[solid glacier]

Like not OC?

Yea

It’s not OC

[odd siren]

This is time spy right???

It looks really like an OS level issue

[oak rivet]

during the gpu test its normal for cpu to idle tho

[odd siren]

No not like this

Cpu boost freq graoh should be a near straight line

That wild fluctuation is signs of hitching and instability

[odd siren]

60 fps on extreme sounds kinda normal

Maybe project lasso might help

So it's not fumbling with application priority

That way you can park other apps onto the e cores and dedicated the p cores to just the main app/3dmark/game etc.

[solid glacier]

So is the cpu frequency not normal?

[odd siren]

Not really no

It should be a straight 5ghz+ lock

Not a wild ride like that

I would consider looking at project lasso, it may help

I don't use it myself but there's a lot out there that do for 12th/13th gen

[solid glacier]

Should@I try reseating the cpu cooler?

[odd siren]

Nah

[solid glacier]

So there’s like no fix to this besides project lasso?

[odd siren]

I would wager if not the cpu itself having a problem (like, 1 in ten thousand chance) then it's OS level

Cos you've replaced everything else iirc

[solid glacier]

Is there another test I can run to test if it’s the cpu

I mean if it’s my CPU i could RMA it

[odd siren]

You could but I doubt they'd come back with anything positive

[solid glacier]

Hm I mean performance goes to crap after a week with a fresh install… idk if that’s cpu related maybe one of my Pins is bent?

[odd siren]

Nah if it goes to crap after a week it's probably not the cpu then

That's OS

Either a program or some level of corruption has gotten involved

[oak rivet]

using the performance power plan brings the cpu upto a higher p state always

[odd siren]

You've already rma'd the ram, maybe we try a different OS drive

[odd siren]

It should still be locked to a higher ghz even without it

[solid glacier]

Iv tried my HDD and SSD

[odd siren]

Have you now? Hm ok

[solid glacier]

Idk, bc I only have apex instslled and a browser and it still went to crap

[solid glacier]

Yea I tried like a week or two ago

[odd siren]

Try project lasso still

[solid glacier]

Iv tried windows 11 pro 10 pro and rn im@on a debloated windows 11 stilll doesn’t work I used Thisiswin11

What’s project lasso?

[odd siren]

^

https://bitsum.com/

[solid glacier]

Oh is it a OS? Like do I have to reset my windows or

[odd siren]

It works with windows

[solid glacier]

Never heard of it so I would need some help using it

[vital oriole]

it's just a program

[solid glacier]

So I just install it and be done with it or lol

Also should I unistall apex before doing this or

[oak rivet]

ideal lines should look something like this ig

[solid glacier]

What test did you do

[oak rivet]

timespy

[heady turtle]

7900xt is a bit better outside of RT anyway

[heady turtle]

They're both 800$ now btw

[odd siren]

800 and aib

[heady turtle]

Indood

[livid idol]

Hmm they continue to make good progress. https://youtu.be/xUUMUGvTffs

CS GO is finally playable getting over 300 fps

[odd siren]

any more strides like this and I will legit start offering intel systems as an option

[livid idol]

I was only waiting on them to fix the UI, which they have so I'd call it a valid option vs the 3060 or 6600 XT especially for 1440p

[odd siren]

they're down to about the 270-ish mark here for a750

Really tempted to try a card

need someone to keep dailying arc so I wouldn't be blind leading anyone lol

[livid idol]

Not bad for didgeridollars

[odd siren]

yeah for after imports that's phenomenal

[livid idol]

Hmmm

[odd siren]

yeah it's really tempting

[livid idol]

I'll bet dxvk would help a lot with dx9 games

[odd siren]

thanks windows hdr

[livid idol]

I just leave the auto hdr off lol

Washed out AF

[odd siren]

everything looks fine until I use the snip tool lmao

also I'm on the other rig rn

let's see

3060...

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[odd siren]

it's legitimately viable to buy an A750 here

242 usd

jesus I thought it was higher that's almost 1 to 1

I have a build for a friend that's waiting to go out that I'd love to source this card for but I bet he'd have issues

If I'd sold the 3080 by now I'd try picking one up

idk

I need a really good reason

[oak rivet]

Except csgo the gain was not really there in actual AAA titles tbh

It remains in that 3060 and 6650xt tier

Also said csgo felt stuttery compared to its Nvidia and amd brothers

[odd siren]

he said it was no longer stuttery

actually no I didn't hear the last bit

you're right

my mistake

[oak rivet]

🤷‍♂️

But yeah I expected bigger gains in the titles like cyberpunk

[odd siren]

they're working hard on legacy support rn

since that's their biggest shortfall

who knows? next update might be more rounded

[oak rivet]

I would like to see how their driver cpu overhead thing is like in a 720p low test

What is the weakest cpu with rebar

Ig 10100f

[odd siren]

8100f

or 8100

[vital oriole]

you can even go older

[odd siren]

yeah you can

[vital oriole]

i think x99 supports it unofficially

[odd siren]

those are just the enabled ones

[polar bison]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6513906.p?skuId=6513906

What do you guys think

[odd siren]

rebar has been around for a very long time

[livid idol]

X79 even

[livid idol]

$10 cheaper https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6650-xt-rx6650xt-cld-8go/p/N82E16814930070
6650 XT is a good value overall

[polar bison]

Can I ask how

[heady turtle]

How it's 10$ cheaper or good value?

[polar bison]

good value

[heady turtle]

It performs well and is relatively cheap

[odd siren]

$10 less for basically the same perf but a decent enough cooler

[polar bison]

Only thing is I do not want to ship anything to where I live so that is the only reason I'm not to sure

[odd siren]

@oak rivet a neat idea for your friend to try while he has the xtx idle power problems, plug his second monitor into his igpu

not a fix but a workaround if he has one

[oak rivet]

does a 5800x3d have a igpu

i have a feeling it doesnt

[odd siren]

it doesn't, rip

[oak rivet]

also this idle power thing seems to be vary wildly unit by unit

like you and a few others report below 50w and some report upwards of 80w

[odd siren]

it's been reported as "specific configurations"

so yes, it's not consistent

he could try changing his desktop layout and it might get better

but monitors in use, monitor hz and layout will play a role

also animated wallpapers but that's a given

[solid glacier]

Ye I did extreme

[oak rivet]

Still doesn't change anything lol

[solid glacier]

I installed that project lasso Felix what now

[solid glacier]

Which cpu test is the best on 3d mark to run?

[orchid loom]

why is the cpu jumping around like that

[solid glacier]

I’m unsure, I got a lot of people telling me different things lol. First people said it’s normal bc it’s a gpu gest? And a cpu frequency isn’t always steady?

That’s why I wanna run a cinebench test

[orchid loom]

let me run the test really quick what was it you were running in 3dmark

[solid glacier]

This one

It’s 20mins

[solid glacier]

Oh yea

Something’s definitely wrong with mine then

[orchid loom]

well

you got the same thing i got

[solid glacier]

Yea

but my lines were all over the place

[idle idol]

I am looking to upgrade from my RX 6600, is there any GPU's I should upgrade for 1440p

[livid idol]

What's your budget and what power supply do you have?

[idle idol]

500$

And 650e

650w

[livid idol]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-rx6800-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930048
That will do 1440p quite well

You'll want to make sure that's a good tier power supply though, what model is it

[idle idol]

Can't remember what kind of model but it's a Seasonic Brand.

[heady turtle]

You'd probably wanna check which model

[livid idol]

Seasonic could be very good or very bad

[idle idol]

Found the box it's a Focus+ Gold

[heady turtle]

Like almost every psu brand

That'll be grand then

[livid idol]

Yep that can handle the 6800 nicely

[idle idol]

Should I upgrade my Processor too?

I have the 5600X currently.

[livid idol]

Nah that's plenty

Especially for 1440p

[idle idol]

Alright,

[gray hearth]

Can someone help me with my new gpu it isn’t showing up in device manager or anything(3060 TI)

[livid idol]

Have you tried installing the nvidia drivers? It'll be a generic display device until then

[gray hearth]

Yea I did still nothing

The cards led are lighting up but no fan rotation

[livid idol]

Fans usually don't start spinning until it gets hot

If you right click the desktop and open the nvidia control panel does it show under configure surround/physx?

[gray hearth]

I’m gonna mess with it again tomorrow I’ll ask for help tomorrow if I need thank you

[sour estuary]

it's henie time

[limber dove]

ok i just joined here i have a couple questions ones a questions the others more of need for opinion..
rn i have a EVGA 3060ti in my rig i grabbed a 6700xt 12 gb the other day what would yall run?
next when you run dual gpu do they need to be the same brand or just the same card as in an msi card and say an asus card?

[livid idol]

What do you mean what would we run? The 3060 ti and 6700 XT are about the same performance level.
You can in theory mix and match GPUs as you please.

[vital oriole]

Drivers might conflict

[livid idol]

Might yes but in theory no. Theory does not always correspond to reality.

[sage kiln]

does RTX 4070 TI work well with the Ryzen 7 5800X 3D at 4k and 1440p or it'll bottleneck?

[vital oriole]

nah, it'll be good

[oak rivet]

At 4k definitely wouldn't hurt to aim for a 4080 or 90

[fading glacier]

It will hurt in fact

A lot more money, an F ton of money

[oak rivet]

I would be more comfortable doing 4k with a 3090

[heady turtle]

3090 is weaker tho lol

[vital oriole]

^

slower than 4070ti

[odd siren]

it'd do 4k tho

[vital oriole]

fair enough, the extra vram comes in handy

[odd siren]

Both can do 4K lol

[oak rivet]

both will need some help from time to time with a feature

[odd siren]

Sure but they'll both do it

[vital oriole]

^

[heady turtle]

Well ofc but why would you trust a weaker card to do 4k better kekw

[ebon parcel]

Got a new GPU. But it seems to have more ports for another power connector. Am I to use all of the ports?
Also when it's inserted into the motherboard the DP and HDMI ports are partially obstructed. Should I shave away the case to alleviate this?

[heady turtle]

Yes all the power ports on the graphics card have to have it turn on, and if you lift the gpu up before screwing in you should the dp and hdmi should fit fine if not send a pic of what you mean, if you're confused about the power you can send a pic of that too and what power supply you have(name ) (or pic if you're unsure)

[odd siren]

They'd both do 4K tho lol

I never said anything about better

[heady turtle]

Exactly but that's what safi was saying

[heady turtle]

^

[odd siren]

He says what he says not what I says

[heady turtle]

I'll says you in a minute

[odd siren]

THA-

THAT'S MY LINE

[heady turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-muahahaha-evil-laugh-gif-4482837

[oak rivet]

At 4k the 12gb vram is not ideal

[ebon parcel]

I have a photo of what the back of the computer looks like with the card in, but I don't know what my PSU is. Next time I'm home I'll somehow get a picture of that. Should I send that first pic here or in a DM or?

[heady turtle]

heres preferable

[ebon parcel]

Okay
So, you can kind of see how the ports are tucked just behind those horizontal pieces of metal. They are a part of the case and I can't simply unscrew them or anything. Idk if it's a good call or just plain crude to take some kind of saw or filer and shave off some of that metal

[heady turtle]

looks fine to me

[limber dove]

i wasnt meaning running a 3060ti and a 6700xt i meant is it possible to run two different BRANDS like an msi 3060ti and an asus 3060ti or two different brand 3700xts

[fading glacier]

is possible... but why?

you dont need more than one card at a time

[limber dove]

honestly cause i make more money than i need and like to buy cool stuff to look at to alleviate crappy symptoms of depression

the whole things gonna be water cooled too XD shi i got coolers on my m.2s

[oak rivet]

then sell all those midrange gpus and buy a 4090

[limber dove]

i had one a few weeks ago and i didnt like how big it was so i put it in my wifes rig

[ivory herald]

Unless for "work", is just more a waste than it ever was since "sli" is dead.

[limber dove]

again its strictly to make myself feel better not for the usefulness for my needs. i want to water cool 2 gpus in my build and get a big case and put a mini system in it to store movies pic and stuff. I AM FULLY AWARE TRUST ME I HEAR MY WIFES VOICE THAT ITS A WASTE OF MONEY.

[heady turtle]

No filter evading pls :)

[limber dove]

ok sry

[fading glacier]

well, then its doable

heck you can even buy a mobo with 4 pcie slots and fill them with gpus

[ivory herald]

Brand is largely irrelevant btw. At least you're thinking 3060ti/3070 instead of something even more expensive.

[wicked hound]

Buy a good primary GPU and a basic secondary GPU. Or just hook secondary GPU block to nothing but a placeholder.
That way you get the aesthetics of a dual GPU system without much sacrifice to wasting budget. Also, why does size of GPU annoy you when you are going to add a block to it (removal of 4090)?

[limber dove]

because two 4090s would be massive and leave no room for the second system in the case the gpu "1650 super" is already going to be mounted vertically then custom rbg plates for the cards another reason is the powerdraw from 2 4090s scares me and lastly i wont have room for other cards like usb pci expansion

[limber dove]

this is also a very big reason i dont want 2 4090s XXD also im leaning towards getting another 6700xt instead of another 3060ti ive only ever used nvidia and wanna try amd

[ivory herald]

Could. Multi-gpu for gaming on either brand is about equally useless so no loss there.

[wicked hound]

So some notes here:
-4090 PCB arent much larger then 3070 PCB in regards to width. Block height will almost always be the same. So size wont actually change much from 3070 to 4090 apart from length.
-Power draw can be fixed fairly easily with power limits.
-Remember my first point. Get a good primary GPU and a meh/null secondary GPU with a block. For your purposes the second one is for aesthetics and wont be used so no point in limiting the budget around silicon that wont be used. Just getting the aesthetics of two blocks is your main point.

[limber dove]

oh i know its useless im a hobbiest and tech just does something to me i cant tell you how many keyboards i got on my wall i dont use anymore when i meet someone new i just throw them a kb or mouse to help get them started i gave a friend an old 980ti the other day

[limber dove]

im not using a 3070 though im using an EVGA 3060ti oc 12 gb its a 2 fan even putting in the 6700xt is a big difference in size once in the case 2 fans compared to 3 fans which is why i was seeking opinions on the two in the begining

im also going to be using this case

https://www.newegg.com/satin-black-phanteks-enthoo-luxe-2-full-tower/p/N82E16811854088?Description=phantek&cm_re=phantek-_-11-854-088-_-Product

[wicked hound]

Are you or are you not liquid cooling the GPUs?

[limber dove]

yes i am

thats why im concerned about all the space

and its going to be dual system

so 3 gpus and 2 cpus all water cooled and depending on how that goes 1-2 pumps and rez

[wicked hound]

Height will always be the same regarding custom looped GPUs (one slot). So your main concern is width and length. Here is a mockup of GPU widths+heights. You should have more then enough room for the other stuff you've mentioned so far even with 4090s. I currently dont see why you are constraining yourself to small PCB GPUs.

So long as the two primary blocks you get are special with rear mounted IO you could even fit the 1650S at the top most likely.

[ebon parcel]

Idk if I can take it all the way out but here's most of my PSU

[heady turtle]

ive never seen that but it most likely has 2 pcie cables at least

should be enough

[ivory herald]

it's 500w and I see what looks like a couple 6pins but idk what else.

[ebon parcel]

I got it plugged in and powered on but I see nothing on the screen

[heady turtle]

can you send a pic of the gpu?

[ebon parcel]

With it already installed?

[heady turtle]

ye

[ivory herald]

I'm not gonna mention the ram (oops, I did). -- This is the biggest issue though:

[ebon parcel]

Aw

I got thr new RAM in blue because why not

So am I going to need a new PSU or maybe there's an adapter or?

[ivory herald]

Any "6 to 8" adapter or such would be pretty sketchy, yes.

[ebon parcel]

Oo- as in I probably should not try it or?

[solid glacier]

nvm

[ebon parcel]

I got a new PSU

[heady turtle]

Yeah new psu would be the best route

Pcie are supposed to be 6+2 pin connectors

[solid glacier]

Hey someone’s told me to do this “in the bios enable above 4g decoding and resizable bar.
may also want to set the pcie slot the gpu is in to gen 3”

[rocky mortar]

My pc is telling me to power down and connect all pcie power cables, they’re all connected though

[oak rivet]

If modular psu check that side aswell

[rocky mortar]

Modular?

I plugged in the cable and the side that looks like a ram stick

[hasty sphinx]

If you have a modular PSU.. check that the cables are plugged into the PSU correctly.

[rocky mortar]

No idea what modular means

It cannot be taken out if thats what you mean

Wothout taking a lot of screws out

[vital oriole]

Modular psu means its cables are removable from it

[pine rapids]

2x8p enough for a custom 12vhpwr cable?

or should it be 3x8p

[livid idol]

Depends on the power supply but usually if it's an A tier unit it's fine

[pine rapids]

gotcha, then i should be fine

its a v850sfx

[heady turtle]

Ok?

[odd siren]

Try it, see if it helps

[oak rivet]

https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1632680688968138752?t=6XgKw_Or3Ua_PWLKTz1-ow&s=19

Tom Warren (@tomwarren)

if you're noticing high CPU usage from Nvidia's latest drivers (531.18) you're not alone. Seems to be a bug with the latest drivers where Nvidia container uses 10%+ CPU after logon or after closing games. Rolling back to previous drivers will fix

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[primal dust]

Too good to be true?

[keen nacelle]

Not really, but I would verify it works before giving them the money

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CFtLAlMgJ4&t=548s

that 3050 is funny losing to the 6600xt even in some light rt workloads

ugh that a750 frametime graph lol

also seemed to have some black screen issues with a capture card

[trail hollow]

Any suggestions? I’m looking to upgrade my old pc from 2080 ti to either 3090 ti, 4070 ti , or 4080 and all the other parts to be compatible. I only play games like apex and Cod, and now getting into some 1440 or 4K games. Do you think 4080 is worth it for those types of games or should I go with 4070 ti? Also debating over i9 13900k or i7 13700k. Thanks

I only have about $2000 for the build

[hot bough]

If you're only gaming then there's no point in getting an I9 from this generation. A 13600k would be more than enough.

I'd recommend 4080 if you plan to play games at 4k while wanting a good amount of fps.

For 1440p the 4070 ti.

[trail hollow]

Thanks

Do you think a PNY 4080 XLR8 supposedly new but sold locally on facebook for $900 a good deal seems to low to be true

[hot bough]

It's possible, but I'd verify that the seller actually has it and that it's in working condition before buying if you do attempt it.

Plus if the vendor is local I'd recommend buying it in person to make sure they don't swindle you.

[odd siren]

going all next gen on 2K you probably won't fit an i9 or i7, not that those would be any better in games versus a 13600k anyway

for something like a 4070ti that is

[fading glacier]

yup, 13700 or 13900 is way overkill, a 13600k will do just fine

[odd siren]

and as we've said a buttload lately, i7 or i9 of last gen are trumped by the i5's of this gen in basically everything

[fading glacier]

4070ti also ok for 1440p, if you want 4k then go the extra mile for a 4090 or a 7900xtx instead of the 4080

[trail hollow]

Awesome thanks i actually got a deal locally on a i7 13th gen for 300

[fading glacier]

try to get some 280/360 aio for that beast

[odd siren]

it'd be 1440p this build

[odd siren]

that's good

[trail hollow]

what do you guys think on DDR5 ram speed does it matter 5600 over 6000

[odd siren]

I'd go ddr4

just every way cheaper and you can get faster sticks for less

[hot bough]

@trail hollow, take the 4080 locally if it's legit to stay within budget or go 4090 to maximize 4k performance but you'd go over budget.

[fading glacier]

ddr5 worth if go over 6400

if not, just stick to ddr4

[trail hollow]

oh ok Thanks @hot bough @fading glacier @odd siren

[fading glacier]

a 4080 at 900usd is way too sus, take it with caution

[hot bough]

That's why I said to meet them in person.

Since it's local.

[fading glacier]

and on a police station

[trail hollow]

can they fake cards just like how they do with airpods and all that

[fading glacier]

scams can take a lot of forms

[odd siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wGTz3y

like this

[hot bough]

Also pay with Paypal if you really don't trust it.

[odd siren]

ah wait forgot to link the ram brb

[hot bough]

So PayPal can hold the money for you till the product is verified.

[trail hollow]

sounds good

[hot bough]

Remember to do the buisness option and not the friends and family.

[fading glacier]

still if the 4080 turns out to be fake, just get a 4070ti or a 7900xtx

there is one pretty strong on the #tech-deals section

[odd siren]

https://a.co/d/3tpjFaJ
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dXwkNc
@trail hollow

[fading glacier]

man that ddr4 is so tempting

[odd siren]

using this ram, I'm 5% over budget but worth it (also monitor included)

[trail hollow]

ill check them out thanks

[odd siren]

it's $90 for good b die

[fading glacier]

easily 4600mt/s

with some luck

[odd siren]

Like, as good as some of the best ddr5

[fading glacier]

indeed

[odd siren]

so any ddr5 discussion is now irrelevant

[hot bough]

Why white ram.

[odd siren]

[odd siren]

cos cheap

[oak rivet]

Still don't think bandwidth heavy games it will match ddr5

[hot bough]

.... Nasta.

[oak rivet]

Like spider man to name one

[fading glacier]

games crave for latency

[odd siren]

you'd be surprised how overall good ddr4 and ddr5 still trade blows when pushed

[fading glacier]

and also b die can be overclokd to heaven

[oak rivet]

If its a new build why not just go ddr5

[fading glacier]

cause budget

[odd siren]

I'm already over budget

and also, why spend 50% more for the overall similar perf

[fading glacier]

[oak rivet]

With future generations being ddr5 exclusive you could also carry that ram over

[odd siren]

good ddr4 is just, makes any ddr5 discussion pointless unless you're doing like, file compression

[fading glacier]

unlikely

with future generations, this ddr5 gen will be slow af

[odd siren]

or you can wait until ddr5 is cheaper when you build later and net zero regardless

with ddr4 like that you'll be kicking for a while

[fading glacier]

best to get the current gen ddr5 instead of carrying over last gen slow ddr5

also im biased, im not into the "carry over" "future proof" thing

in 4 to 6 years best to make one big investment instead of one part at a time

the whole package

[odd siren]

well to me spending almost double for being almost the same perf under tune makes it totally pointless imo

and later on when you buy ddr5 on your next build it's not some old school ddr5 6000, it'll be what, 8000, 10000 xmp

when it's actually feasibly better

[fading glacier]

exactly my point

[oak rivet]

The 5800x3d and 7950x3d do pretty well with lower speed ram

[odd siren]

yes they do

because l3 cache

that's their quirk

but zen 4 x3d also still scales with ram

it's a bit more sensitive unlike first gen

[fading glacier]

and you get to the same point, faster ram in the future will scale better with x3d as well

so, best to get 8000/10000xmp faster kits instead of the lousy 6000 of today

carry over ddr5... pfff

[odd siren]

well, zen 4 x3d stops scaling at 6400

[fading glacier]

yeah but that zen4 limitation

we know next to nothing on zen 5

[odd siren]

ye

and very true

zen 5 might have an insane imc/fabric

[ebon parcel]

the GPU is in, it powers on, (even gets warm), but my computer thinks there's non installed. I also can't open the NVIDIA control panel

[lone pond]

camcorder camera filming ship fishing in heavy rain weather

Dival Siqueira Filho

/iamgine

[ebon parcel]

Is the driver for a 1080 ti supposed to crash my PC every time I try to install it? Even with the GeForce thing doing the installation, that's what happened to me.

[keen nacelle]

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[ebon parcel]

I'm still crashing

[solid glacier]

Another test but it was the Time Spy Stress Test

[heady turtle]

We don't have the mid journey bot here mate

[fading glacier]

journey, such a beautiful band

[heady turtle]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-takes-6-percent-of-discrete-gpu-market-q4

[odd siren]

Oh dear, only 6% instead of 9%?

That's still a 2/3 of AMD

[ebon parcel]

Does anyone else keep crashing when a driver is being installed?

[heady turtle]

I've a feeling that includes the ones they force down ppls throats in laptops tho

[heady turtle]

Maybe try DDUing

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[ebon parcel]

I've tried that

[odd siren]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-acknowledges-10-cpu-usage-driver-bug-after-exiting-games

Oh nyo

[vital oriole]

driver overhead

except worse

[odd siren]

But muh nvidia perfect

No error like AMD?

[ebon parcel]

I've tried getting older drivers but it still blue screens during installation. Is it a Windows issue too?

[odd siren]

Can you describe the blue screen error

It often will have an error description that will point the user in the right direction

[astral ginkgo]

hi

i need help

my monitor shows pixelated black with some other colors like rainbow

whats wrong with my pc

hello

can someone help me

[ebon parcel]

This is what I see every single time the process bar on the driver installation window reaches about half way

[odd siren]

Do sfc /scannow and chkdsk /r

That is likely related to the drive your windows is on

/the drive you're installing the drivers to (if it's a different drive for some reason)

[ebon parcel]

Oh so should I have been trying to install the drivers to the same drive the os is on?

[odd siren]

Are you able to try that?

[odd siren]

Also def check these

[heady turtle]

Wtf is with the hornet

[ebon parcel]

I'm at work right now. Idk if I can use Splashtop to access it.
I just remembered I left my computer with it unplugged from any source of power before I came to work anyway

[odd siren]

Idk I'll horn it u in a minute

[odd siren]

All good. I float around, we can run this later

[heady turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-gif-20239200

[oak rivet]

https://www.techpowerup.com/305557/amd-could-tease-dlss-3-rivaling-fsr-3-0-at-gdc-2023

might finally have that frame generation competitor

[ebon parcel]

Alrighty. I'm home. Btw where do I type those slash commands? And should I keep one monitor plugged into the motherboard?

[livid idol]

Administrator command prompt

Right click the start button

I've never seen monitors that plug into keyboards before though

[ebon parcel]

how do I do admin command prompt?

found it

[ebon parcel]

Back in a reset loop. I really don't know why this is happening.

[vital oriole]

At this point I would try making a boot media again

[solid glacier]

does this look good

[ebon parcel]

Making a boot media?

Also I managed to boot it in safe mode, use ddu, but instead of restarting, I installed a driver, but it blue screened as soon as I hit restart

[trail hollow]

4080 founders edition or msi 4080 trio?

[fading glacier]

none, go straigth to 4090 or 4070ti instead 😛

[trail hollow]

yeah its like 600 more i would if i could hah

[fading glacier]

then both are good

just get the cheaper one

[trail hollow]

cool thanks

any benefits 3 fans over 2

[fading glacier]

none

[trail hollow]

ok thanks

[fading glacier]

fe sport 2 fans cause those are larger, but perform the same as the 3 fan cards

cause the 3 fans cards have smaller fans

[trail hollow]

sounds good thanks

[heady turtle]

what country you in?

because if tis the US, the tuf is the best model atm since its msrp and super overbuilt

[wicked hound]

7900XTX is also generally a better buy then 4080

[trail hollow]

US

cool ill check them out

[heady turtle]

I'd personally get this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gCBG3C/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx7900xtx-pg-24go
But this if you do end up going 4080 (about same perf outside of ray tracing)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yRLFf7/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4080-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080-16g-gaming

[ebon parcel]

would it crash if I got a studio driver isntead of a game ready one?

[heady turtle]

No but it'll be less optimised for games and more towards production workloads n stuff

[oak rivet]

https://www.neowin.net/news/nvidia-geforce-hotfix-driver-version-53126-for-windows-1011-fixes-high-cpu-usage-bug/

[ebon parcel]

should I worry when it says "this device isn't using any resources because it has a problem."?

[livid idol]

Have you tried taking out the GPU and putting it back into the slot, or trying another PCIe slot altogether?

[ebon parcel]

Are you talking about where it fits on the motherboard?

[livid idol]

Yes

[ebon parcel]

I haven't tried another slot yet

[keen nacelle]

I'd also check windows install

[ebon parcel]

Good idea; I have tried several driver versions, they would all crash during installation. Once in safe mode, one did successfully install, but as soon as I hit restart, the computer crashed (bsod)
So it makes me wonder if it's the Windows version I'm currently on. And if either I should wait for the next update, or try to see if I can't use an older version

[livid idol]

You can always do a clean install to help narrow it down

[ebon parcel]

Doing a reset. Like I chose to keep files, but it said apps that didn't come with the PC will be removed. So I guess I'll have to reinstall other things like games, huh

[livid idol]

Steam makes that easy at least. Just launch the game and it auto installs the game and dependencies.

[ebon parcel]

Some of my games didn't come from Steam; I hope I can still redownload them

I wonder if this will get rid of all those extra outdated Unity projects.
But anyway I'm going to let it reinstall Windows while I sleep

[ebon parcel]

Idk if that worked. after I woke up, I came down to the computer on the 'it didn't restart correctly' screen. So I just DDU'd and wondering if I should take it to a repair shop or just wait until the next driver update or Windows update •/

[solid glacier]

https://youtu.be/K-L5plhivd4 so I set a frame limit thing on riva turner like I set it to 240 bc that’s my refresh rate, should I turn off amd freesync?

[vital oriole]

so you were running games uncapped

that's the issue then

freesync is good, keep it on

[heady turtle]

Nah shouldn't be having issues like that unless they are experiencing huge frame drops

[solid glacier]

I set a frame limit on riva turner and it’s smooth again

I had AMD freesync always on (even when I was having problems) so I set a frame limit on riva and it’s smooth again..? but should I still keep AMD freesync on

[cerulean rover]

Freesync is good for frame drops

[cedar anvil]

I think f up the gpu

😭😭😭😭😭😭

Im pretty sure the connector wasn’t right and was trying to fix it but somehow the click also got out when I disconnected

Did I f it up

[livid idol]

I can't really see what the second pic is but the first looks fine

[fading glacier]

seems like the clip from the pcie slot

[fading glacier]

it will be fine

[cedar anvil]

The click meant to keep it in place

[fading glacier]

neh, it can be on place without it

[livid idol]

You should be able to snap it back on

But yeah it's not required

[fading glacier]

its just a marketing gimmick

[cedar anvil]

The gpu is not going in here though

[odd siren]

The clip fell out by the looks of it

[cedar anvil]

Im lining it up perfectly but the left part of the gpu just doesn’t want to go in

[odd siren]

[livid idol]

Loosen the screws for the motherboard and shift it slightly

[odd siren]

Yeah some cases/gpu io can be a massive pain for pcie slot fitment

DON'T LET GO OF THE GPU

It'll be essentially floating when you click the gpu into the slot

No support

You'll need to shift the mobo back over, screw the gpu in, then screw the mobo in

You can let go of the gpu once it's screwed in

[cedar anvil]

It just doesn’t want to go in

And I’m legit scared at this point

[odd siren]

Can you still pop the mobo out of the case

[cedar anvil]

Yes

I can unscrew it completely

[odd siren]

Double check it clicks in place with the mobo out and flat on the mobo box

If it does it's not some absurd tolerance of those two, it's the gap between the mobo and the case

My 7900 XTX does this

It has no clearance in my mini o11

For the little tabs

[livid idol]

Sometimes the metal legs that go between the board and case get slightly bent

[odd siren]

Ye, or too thick

[cedar anvil]

This would mean disconnecting all those small cables

Thx god I am leaving the psu part for last

[odd siren]

Well you can also try just jotting the mobo to the right a little

Holding the gpu while you do it, very carefully

Like only 1 or 2mm

[livid idol]

Yeah you don't need to take the whole mobo out, just shift it over a tad

[cedar anvil]

Will still be

Aligned with all the points in the case or nah

I unscrew it

Already

[livid idol]

When you move it back into place it will be aligned

[cedar anvil]

So connect the gpu and them screw it again ah bet bet

[odd siren]

ye just hold the gpu up until the gpu itself is lined up and screwed in

[cedar anvil]

Now psu

But I really hope I didn’t brake the damn gpu

[ebon parcel]

So after putting in the old GPU, booting up, had the driver installed, I shut it off, switched to the new one, turned it on, and the screens were black. But, I was able to access and use the computer with Splashtop. Tho the aspect ratio was 4:3 and much lower resolution from either of my monitors (also there was one display). I checked the device manager and it shows no Nvidia driver. Nvidia control panel doesn't open, and GeForce experience shows that there is a driver available, but the download button doesn't work. So I shut it off, switched cards, turned it on again, and everything is normal. It's so weird.
I should also mention that I updated the BIOS

[idle idol]

Hey am I plugging in the Two 8 pins right?

[fringe scroll]

No does your psu have another 8pin?

[odd siren]

@idle idol what psu and what gpu

[fringe scroll]

Yuh

[fringe scroll]

If so def use the two separate cables rather than a splitter whenever possible

[idle idol]

Is 550w psu

But imma upgrade ASAP

Tomorrow

RTX 3070

Mb

[fringe scroll]

Oop

Umm

[umbral galleon]

Need a good amd cause nvidia poo

[idle idol]

What if I undervolt the GPU

A bit

[odd siren]

What kind of 550w

[idle idol]

Seasonic S12II

I think

[fringe scroll]

Yea and does it have two 8 pins

[idle idol]

No,

[odd siren]

Um yeah no definitely don't even try turning this on until you have a new one

Dodgy psu

[fringe scroll]

Damm

[odd siren]

What cpu do you have @idle idol

[idle idol]

5600X

So 65w tdp

[odd siren]

Grab this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n34BD3/enermax-revolution-df-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-erf650awt

It's in stock at Walmart, probably the cheapest one I'd suggest

[idle idol]

I was looking at the Thermaltake 700w from Best Buy

In store

[odd siren]

Link?

[keen nacelle]

Thats Thermaltake smart

I believe

Gross

[idle idol]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/thermaltake-smart-700w-atx-80-plus-power-supply-black/6339087.p?skuId=6339087

Ye

[odd siren]

That one's actually worse than what you have

[idle idol]

Lmao

Alright

[odd siren]

Yeah the D.F is pretty overbuilt, it's $25 more but it'll comfortably run your specs

It comes with all the latest and greatest safeties which is what you really want for something like a 3070

Nice 3070 btw

[idle idol]

Thank you,

[odd siren]

I had a TUF 30 series, it was a fantastic cooler

[idle idol]

Got it from 325$

For*

[odd siren]

That's, pretty great actually

Nice buy lad

[idle idol]

One more thing will a Semi Modular PSU work?

I found one for 750w for 90$

[vital oriole]

which one?

[idle idol]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-cx-m-series-cx750m-semi-modular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-black/6459241.p?skuId=6459241

For the ASUS TUF RTX 3070

[vital oriole]

cxm is decent

should be fine

[keen nacelle]

Can get the rme for $95

Much better unit

@idle idol

[sonic mural]

^

A c tier 750 for $90 is kinda steep compared to what else is out there

[keen nacelle]

Or d.f 650 for less

[idle idol]

Alright

That's in Walmart correct?

Katopac

Katopav*

[lone pond]

Question. I've been hearing a lot of problems with bad drivers on AMD's drives, does anyone know if they have been fixed? I am looking to get me a 6700xt/6750xt or maybe a 3060TI/3070.

[odd siren]

They recently seem to be addressing the MPO related driver timeout issue on AMD's end

[fringe scroll]

LETS GO

[odd siren]

As far as a new card you should easily pick an amd card for almost half the price of the equivalent nvidia one

[odd siren]

IKR?! waiting for rdna 2 to get the fix

[lone pond]

they and Nvidia both have issues, just different kinds in my experience. Nvidia's have always been the kind that annoy the hell out of me, but cause no real harm, whereas AMD's ones have been much harder to make happen, but generally more "wtf amd" than "oh that's kinda bothersome"
they're fine. I love my 6800

[fringe scroll]

WOOO

[fringe scroll]

Fr 🙌🏼

[odd siren]

Most real take on both sides ngl

I'd say the same

[lone pond]

I own both, so y'know :p

[fringe scroll]

My pc got called low end trash because i run amd 🗿

[fringe scroll]

He owns a 3060 and 9600 non k

[lone pond]

as far as picking a card, I'd just snag a $300 6700xt off of ebay and call it a day unless you care a lot about RT performance. I'm pretty sure used 3060 ti's run you about the same, but 8GB is a little rough for 1440p and especially 4K. idk what res you play at though. plus RDNA 2 overclocks like a champ (bar arbitrary driver limits), which is nice

[fringe scroll]

You can say that again I got 2.85 stable on my 6700xt

[lone pond]

sick! that's where the driver limit is, correct?

[fringe scroll]

2.9 is limit wont boost that high tho

No matter what I set the limit too

[lone pond]

my 6800 maxes out the 2600mhz cclock slider (runs at 2.55), but only at 1.08v. it can absolutely crank out a few extra 100mhz but AMD said no

[fringe scroll]

I unlocked the power limit aswell

So I saw 300w in furmark 💀

I game its fine tho

[lone pond]

jesus lol. I haven't hit it with a furmark run, but it does 330w in Timespy which is neat. stock is like 220 lol

I want to play at 1080p FHD easily, also try to get at 1440p. I'm going to be using either gpu for these games & programs.

Games - Battlefield, Predator: Hunting Grounds, maybe a couple COD games, MC, Need for Speed, Atomic Heart, Cyberpunk, & etc. Most of the games I'll be playing are fps shooter, high end & open world.

Programs - Blender, UE 4 or5, Unity 3D, Substance Painter, Clip Studio, & etc.

[odd siren]

6700xt will do 1440p

[lone pond]

Doesn't the 6700xt have 12gb?

[odd siren]

Oh WAIT

Blender??

Oh no, don't go amd

[fringe scroll]

https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.65783598.1621228285.1678384915-874733993.1674768210#advanced?test=spy P&cpuId=2845&gpuId=1376&gpuCount=0&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scor

Oh my

[odd siren]

Get a used nvidia card for blender

[lone pond]

yep, that's a big part of why I prefer it over a 3060 ti. 8GB just didn't hold up at 1440p in some of my games when I had my 3070 ti

[odd siren]

Blender is like a black hole for amd

Otherwise hell yeah, 6700xt

Used 2080 would be good

[lone pond]

Is there any Nvidia card that is just as good as the 6700xt or better that can do 1440p pretty easily?

[lone pond]

Ah

I believe I heard something about a future blender update doing good things for AMD but I may just be misremembering. I don't pay any attention to that stuff

[odd siren]

I really hope so, blender, maya* related tasks and RT are like the last 3 things nvidia has the stronghold in

[lone pond]

I hope UE5.1 gets insane adaoption, Lumen looks fantastic and runs extremely well on Radeon. I think that would be a pretty big breaking point for Nvidia's RT wins

plus their upscaling is absurdly good. looks better than DLSS in fortnite and gets similar perf gains

[fringe scroll]

Rt is stupid in alot of games anyway the performance hit and stutters are still to big

Also fsr is getting really good cant wait for there next refresh

[lone pond]

yep. definitely depends on the game and hardware though. CP2077 looks fantastic, even if it would practically be a slideshow on my 3060

Anyone have this card & know if it's any good?

[vital oriole]

nope

not for 649

no chance

at that price 6950xt will do

and it'll destroy 3070 in workstation loads

[odd siren]

Nah for that much you'd get a 3090 used

[vital oriole]

or ^

[heady turtle]

Or a 6950xt new

[odd siren]

Nah not amd

Not for blender

That's death 💀

[fringe scroll]

Geuss ima die than

[odd siren]

3070 Ti prices are whack like

For 150 more you get a card 60-70% faster

Used 2080/Super would be the play imo

[lone pond]

I paid $1100 for mine kek

it paid itself off via mining, but still-

[odd siren]

I mean there was at least proper scaling back then

[lone pond]

aye. got it in the shuffle too, so free board was nice

[odd siren]

Lol

[lone pond]

What is an equivalent to the a 6950xt on the Nvidia side?

[vital oriole]

3090ti

but 6950xt in blender falls apart

so 3090 would still dominate it

[odd siren]

3090 used my lad

$650

You look hard enough on* r/hardwareswap and you'll find it

[keen nacelle]

Could also settle with a 3080/12gb/ti used for 500-600

Tho extra vram of the 3090 I'd imagine is very useful for blender

[lone pond]

I won't mind spending $500. Maybe $600 max but I want something that will last me a good, long while. Looking at 3090 prices are heart wrenching lol.

[keen nacelle]

Used 3080 then

[heady turtle]

Or if you want new a 6800xt

[keen nacelle]

Blender

[heady turtle]

Where did they say blender?

I just saw felix say blender as if they wanted to use it for that

[oak rivet]

its also a different class of product to a 3070ti

[keen nacelle]

Idk, I'm just going off Felix saying it lol

[keen nacelle]

Oh right here

[heady turtle]

If you only want new, a 3070 isn't worth more than like 50$ over this imo
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9m3gXL/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-gaming-twin-edge-oc-video-card-zt-a30610h-10mlhr

Otherwised used up to 3080 should be doable

[keen nacelle]

^

Could probably find a $250 3060 ti used

[odd siren]

Well a 3090 is too for 650 used, I don't see your point

[keen nacelle]

Used 2080 ti might be worth over regular or super depending on price diff, extra vram could be useful for blender

Purely depends on price diff though

Tbh should just go for a geforce 256

[oak rivet]

a 2080/super are much weaker then a 3070ti didnt say anything about price tho

[odd siren]

Yeah they didn't, until after that

[keen nacelle]

The 2080 super is not far behind the 3070 ti

[odd siren]

So I don't see you point

Lol

[faint plank]

Hey, I am currently rocking a Radeon RX 5500 XT Mech Overclock Dual-fan 8GB GDDR6 PCIe 4.0 and was wondering what a good upgrade was

[keen nacelle]

what is the rest of your pc

what country are you in

and how much do you want to spend

[faint plank]

• Ryzen 5 3600 Maltisse 3.6GHz 6-Core AM4 Processor
• B450 Tomahawk Max AMD AM4 Motherboard
• Lian Li case
• Ripjaws V 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM

[faint plank]

and USA

[keen nacelle]

what power supply

@faint plank

[faint plank]

idr

[keen nacelle]

can you check?

wattage and model

[faint plank]

idk, my power supply is in a weird spot that covers that info

[ebon parcel]

Trying to get my new card working by uninstalling the driver with the old card, switching the cards, and attempting to install the driver. But when I use GeForce, it says that the package is corrupted, and when I try to install using the driver launcher itself I get this:

[livid idol]

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[livid idol]

That's the proper way to change GPUs. This deletes all references to the old card that might conflict.

[ebon parcel]

I still got that package is corrupt message

[solid glacier]

So leave it on? Even with my frame limiter thing in riva turner

[livid idol]

Test both, off and on

It's usually beneficial but in rare cases or cheap monitors it's worse

[cerulean rover]

it's good for when your framerates drop

[ivory herald]

Personally run vsync "off", gsync On, and the usual afterburner (RTSS) cap of 3ish fps under my refresh rate.

[solid glacier]

I never have V Sync or G sync on, but I did this RTSS cap I set it to 240 fps for my limit and things are really smooth, but if I turn off the limit then it’s back to poor performance

[solid glacier]

I don’t got G sync I only have free sync

[ivory herald]

Eh they're pretty much the same in use. Most monitors are freesync models. Gsync setting itself is generally an Nvidia gpu thing and AMD software would say adaptive sync or something.

[hot bough]

Hello, I am back. Could someone teach me what a MCM GPU is exactly? I am a bit confused about it.

[odd siren]

What confuses you sir

[hot bough]

To my understanding MCM uses multiple GPUs. Is it multiple GPUs inside one card working together?

How exactly is it different from what we currently have. Is it two GPUs working together, another input/output die or what's going on?

I can't seem to find a good article explaining in detail what MCM GPUs are and how they differ from what we currently have.

So, MCM is a multi-chip-module. So rather than one GPU module, there's 2 or more of them I get that I think but how do they work together?

So a Input/output chip will spread the data across multiple GPU chips to process more data at a time?

So kind of like having a lot of E cores on a CPU?

[odd siren]

Yeah, think of it kinda like, several cpu cores yeah

But they load themselves equally instead of occupying one

[hot bough]

Not as powerful as a p cores but by having multiple you get a higher capacity for data being processed?

[odd siren]

Nah ignore the p core or e core stuff

Think of it like multiple cpu cores

[hot bough]

Oh they are still equally powerful GPU chips?

[odd siren]

Well the gpu chips are all equal

Edit: nvm I'm wrong

[hot bough]

So each GPU chip is like having another CPU core.

[odd siren]

Yeah, there you go

[hot bough]

Okay now it makes a lot more sense to me.

[odd siren]

So instead of one huge die, they have 6 cut up in smaller chunks that work to the same efficiency as that large as heck die

[hot bough]

And the Input/output die gives instructions on what to process at a given time?

[odd siren]

The benefit is yield and thus cost

[odd siren]

I'm not really brushed up on this edit: nvm

Don't take that part as gospel

[hot bough]

Are there any downsides to a MCM design?

[odd siren]

Gpus are like, completely* different to cpus in reality

[hot bough]

Latency, power draw or?

[odd siren]

Not sure tbh

The reading out there would really all point to good things

Maybe communication between each gpu die needs to be synced? Not sure

[hot bough]

Would the IO die need to be upgraded? I feel that having to give IOs to multiple GPUs puts a lot more strain then just one.

[odd siren]

Edit: nvm

Given everything needs to work together one way or another I would presume

The architecture needs to be capable of handling and accepting each EDIT: mcd

[hot bough]

What does the CD part stand for?

[odd siren]

Graphics complex die

You know what, I'm way wrong, let me start again

[livid idol]

Not just "pretty much", they are the same. All modern gsync means is freesync that Nvidia has tested to be working. The old hardware for gsync is long gone.

[odd siren]

So I have this slightly mixed up, the gcd is the center processing chip, IO and graphical CU's are in this die

But the mcd's, memory chip dies, are the ones split off on rdna3

Or memory complex dies

They contain l2 cache and IF

But the principle is still similar, they all work in unison but they bring the yields down all the same

Here, this will tell you a lot better info than I could
https://www.techspot.com/article/2570-gpu-architectures-nvidia-intel-amd/

[hot bough]

Thanks.

[odd siren]

Np man, sorry I went off on a tangent lmao

[oak rivet]

Xtx being a gigachad here

[keen nacelle]

I went off on a tangerine

[spare relic]

Understandable

[umbral galleon]

What’s the best 6800

[heady turtle]

The cheapest

[wicked hound]

gsync hardware still exists. The recent Alienware AW3423DW had it, main thing that made the AW3423DWF cheaper and technically better (lower latencies, lower power draw, iirc move towards passive cooling, and cheaper) was removal of the gsync hardware module.

[lone pond]

I want a tangerine, give me that tangerine!

[livid idol]

It seems you're correct. I thought they had phased out the module completely due to every single true gsync monitor I'm aware of having a idle/sleep power draw too high to sell in states like California. They must have fixed that issue and brought it back.

[dull patio]

anyone recently brought a AMD GPU

with TLOU

[livid idol]

What about it?

[oak rivet]

Think he wants to know the claim process

[random walrus]

or wants to buy the key

[crystal storm]

Yo I just got a gigabyte 3070 8gig, but I need an evga 3080 ftw3 12 gig anyone got any deals on it?

[livid idol]

That's awfully specific. Any reason why that one exactly? It can be hard to pin down an exact model from last gen without looking at used.

[crystal storm]

Building a pc for a very annoying family member

[livid idol]

And they wanted that one for whatever reason I'm guessing

And I'm also guessing they want new parts?

Because you can get a 4090 for what people are asking on this 3080

[crystal storm]

No used are ok they're just annoying

[livid idol]

Ok

[crystal storm]

Like he's my cousin and he's spoiled asfk, my aunt wants me to build him one that she'll pay for

He literally only plays roblox but watches too much Linus tech tips and wants a balls to the wall pc

[livid idol]

Fun stuff

[crystal storm]

Right

Love it

Lol

[livid idol]

@crystal storm I think this is the best I'll be able to find without getting lucky on Reddit https://www.ebay.com/itm/364167872325

It's the ti which is better than the 3080 12gb anyway

[crystal storm]

Yeah

Price ain't bad at all

[livid idol]

(even if it is only a little better)

[crystal storm]

Thanks man appreciate it

[livid idol]

That's still fairly close to the price of a 4070 ti, bear that in mind as well.

Happy to help

[crystal storm]

Hey it ain't my pc

[livid idol]

Yep it's auntie's money anyway lol

But at least this way you know you didn't get her completely ripped off

[crystal storm]

True

Hmmmmm

I have much to consider

[vital oriole]

roblox pc moment

[livid idol]

Truly meme worthy

[vital oriole]

it's a mess of an engine

even speedy pcs can even fall apart on some games

[odd siren]

Interesting, what the 7900 XT lacks in RT it makes up in raster

[vital oriole]

but muh frame gen

[livid idol]

You mean on the 3 games that are supported by it? lol

[odd siren]

No

[vital oriole]

[odd siren]

You'll see what I mean later

[vital oriole]

im referencing to certain someone

[odd siren]

But it's essentially, pick your poison, overall performance is identical

[livid idol]

What did you expect from a game who's business model is literal child labor

[vital oriole]

and is coded in lua

out of all languages they could choose

they chose lua

[livid idol]

It's easy to pick up, getting back to that "child labor"

[vital oriole]

lmao true

and they make a fortune outta it with how much they take away from earnings

[livid idol]

Microtransaction central

I heard about one kid that made a super popular game and got a ton of robux that could have been cashed out for a fair chunk of money. They didn't realize and spent them on a hat.

[odd siren]

Wow CP isn't an nvidia fest anymore

AMD is better in raster

[livid idol]

1440p or 4k

[odd siren]

Both

Idk if I'm allowed to share it rn, the video is coming out later

And I mean for a game that barely looks better anyway with RT that's kinda awesome considering you couldn't even run it on AMD a year ago

[livid idol]

If by later you mean within 16 hours I can wait but if not... my DMs are open 😉

If it's from HUB then it's probably a couple hours from release

[oak rivet]

The game library seems to be over 15 now

Around 20 games or more have it iirc

And it makes the most sense in hogwarts due to how cpu bound that game is

[livid idol]

Are those the games that have actually launched or is this another RTX launch moment where they have a bunch announced, and their headlining game is canceled?

It took how many months for the first RT game to come out again?

4?

[oak rivet]

I saw the video

7900xt is kinda based let's just say

[stable gust]

Hello guys. Could someone tell me yhe difference between these 2

What is VGA?

[spare relic]

Sometimes people will call graphics cards VGA

[odd siren]

Jeez that costs more than a 4090