In 20 years it won't matter lmao
#graphics-cards
odd siren
fading glacier
500hz nano second? wut?
lone pond
There's new oled monitors coming out as well with nano second response times, with super high refresh rates as well
oak rivet
calisto protocol with ultra rt btw some games it really does change the whole mode
livid idol
You're green now so pics will work btw
lone pond
calisto protocol with ultra rt btw some games it really does change the whole mo...
DAMN
fading glacier
calisto protocol with ultra rt btw some games it really does change the whole mo...
callisto ewwwww... i will wait for dead space
lone pond
Okay taht looks sick
oak rivet
temporal upscaling in that game way better then fsr
odd siren
callisto ewwwww... i will wait for dead space
It literally plays like dead space lol
fading glacier
pretty much
livid idol
With a worse combat system
lone pond
Yeah
fading glacier
exactly my point
odd siren
Ah, sadge
lone pond
It's a shame, I really loved the concept
oak rivet
story based game the story was nice
livid idol
There's a reason it didn't get many awards though
odd siren
story based game the story was nice
You could say a part of this sentence is dead space
fading glacier
not even on story
odd siren
oak rivet
because they accidently released the wrong patch
fading glacier
no, because the game is dead space but worse
lone pond
And more expensive
lone pond
I want to, but I was still a child when it came out lmao
livid idol
They're really good games imo
odd siren
Dead space is awesome
fading glacier
callisto will be lost in the sands of time
oak rivet
many games will
odd siren
Mass effect was awesome too
fading glacier
tell that to skyrim
oak rivet
andromeda?
fading glacier
oblivion was bae
odd siren
Now I'm having a trip
odd siren
Assassin's creed 2
oak rivet
Doing stuff with aliens is fun in andromeda
fading glacier
hate everything after unity
oak rivet
Mirage is said to be small
fading glacier
if i wanted an rpg i just go mass effect
oak rivet
Kinda don't like how that sounds
fading glacier
assassin creed was like the splinter cell of the past
loved splinter cell so much!
up until blacklist ๐
fading glacier
yup
need some more splinter cell games tho ๐ฆ but seems like that genre is dead these days
livid idol
You know what else will never die no matter how much you might want it to? Pokemon
oak rivet
never got to play breakpoint
fading glacier
pokemon was fun as a kid... in fact pokemon still lives for kids
livid idol
need some more splinter cell games tho ๐ฆ but seems like that genre is dead thes...
Ubisoft and Tom had a bit of a spat and Ubi lost the name rights
odd siren
Tom clancy 
odd siren
God you reminded me of that rooster teeth moment with gavin and the grenade
Had me in fits
That was SOOO long ago
fading glacier
๐คจ
oak rivet
breakpoint was not successful like valhalla ?
odd siren
In the first(?) Rainbow six, you could put your face on your character
I need to find the clip
I need to watch it again
fading glacier
had the first rainbow six box... 4 cds
so long ago
man i feel old
hate you all
livid idol
My first multi cd game was starcraft lol
fading glacier
offf le diablo on 2 cds
livid idol
Brood Wars โค๏ธ
fading glacier
good times
livid idol
I remember when I discovered that you didn't need the disk in to play Starcraft. You just needed to update and copy a file from each disk.
Felt like cheating somehow
fading glacier
that time when we saw oursleves as real hackers just by doing those lil things xD
hahahaha
livid idol
@odd siren Too many F bombs in that vid lol
I don't like that I have to police that but I understand why I do
odd siren
Sadge
oak rivet
More xtx moments ig
livid idol
Broken game actually
It's a known issue
iirc the trick was to restart your pc every time you adjusted graphics settings ๐
livid idol
Change your quality and RT settings, I think that was the trigger. For some reason they don't actually change in game without a reboot.
I think it was GN that had to throw out a bunch of FH5 results because of the bug
fading glacier
ltt as well
orchid loom
bruh
heady turtle
who the heck return a 4090?
orchid loom
who the heck return a 4090?
scalpers
they trying to return to get there money back
idk if true but these popping with 4090s
scalpers thought they would win this year
orchid loom
this seems kinda weird
3000 series scalpers won that era bc there was barely no product but 4000 series we are having gpus made
livid idol
Hmmmmmm.
fading glacier
yeah seems weird af
there are no available on pickup nor in site, yet the page gives you the option... like... wat?
livid idol
Nah I'm passing on that. Can't afford it since expenses wiped my savings with this series of storms.
heady turtle
Tis only a joke but nice price also big sad
livid idol
I know, it's slightly upsetting that there's a 4080 FE that I could buy too under $1000.
heady turtle
Oh nice
livid idol
Only slightly though. I have no need or desire for a 4k only GPU.
ivory herald
Wild having 3080 faster at 4k than 1080 at 1080p. Won't go through hassle of selling/swapping (to 3070) too soon though. Partly thnx to sub-70w cpu, my 650w G3 can easily handle 100PL. UV is just to jack up efficiency & also not see 350W+. 
oak rivet
Soo anyone had any update on the amd idle power?
fading glacier
wasnt adressed on the last driver update?
oak rivet
Seems like xtx users still have it
livid idol
Seems like xtx users still have it
December driver has other known issues, including potentially removing thermal limits and killing cards
Or are you referring to the driver that just dropped
livid idol
Oh the multi monitor one. I've seen that with Nvidia too since forever.
random walrus
Idk why reviewers latched to that
gotta hate on non team green cards somehow
heady turtle
Idk why reviewers latched to that
First review i saw with it was Ltt, probably just something one of the writers noticed and was like that's awful high
orchid loom
@livid idol okay i think im finally understanding GPUs so 4090 uses 450W or less while gaming
2560x1440p gaming = 100W-250W
3440x1440p gaming = 200W-300W
3840x2160 gaming = 300W-450W
7680x4320 gaming = 550W-700W
so the point is not to pull as much wattage the point is to use same/less wattage while giving performance jump
3090 Ti pulls about 450W as well idk about res
conclusion its not all about power 
orchid loom
listen I had a big brain moment 
livid idol
Well your conclusion is correct but how you got there is a mystery to me
oak rivet
Think a more simple conclusion would be lock both gpus to 90 fps at 1440p and the 3090ti would consume more power
orchid loom
Yea that too
orchid loom
livid idol
We all know the 4070 will barely be better than the 3070 anyway
vital oriole
also as much as 7900xtx idles high, would anyone with a high end pc care?
they can obviously pay for bills
oak rivet
Nah you pay the difference you saved from a 4090 with higher power bills
livid idol
No I really doubt most people even notice
vital oriole
i know it's kinds copium but i mean, when the whole pc already consumes like 1000w, at that point your electricity bills would increase anyway
oak rivet
100w YouTube go brrrr
vital oriole
idle matters none as soon as load gets put to it
wicked hound
We all know the 4070 will barely be better than the 3070 anyway
4070 will be 50% perf of 3070
vital oriole
and like 100w idle isn't gonna cause any noticeable increase in power bills
orchid loom
also as much as 7900xtx idles high, would anyone with a high end pc care?
Well from a gaming standpoint cpu pulls about 100W and gpu pulls 300w rest is for system
vital oriole
that's not accounting for transients
orchid loom
๐
orchid loom
4070 will be 50% perf of 3070
With lower power draw
wicked hound
100w GPU idle can be a pain in a small room with no AC. I believe rest of my system power was 60w and I could feel the difference of 160w vs 80w (can get GPU idle to be 20w.)
oak rivet
100w GPU idle can be a pain in a small room with no AC. I believe rest of my sys...
0 rpm mode would be harder to keep aswell
orchid loom
I just say MAXUIMUM POWRR
OR just hook some solar panels to pc and use sun for pc power
wicked hound
ye, 80w wont save much even in the most expensive of energy places.
oak rivet
During gaming yes but don't want 100w guzzling down just for a YouTube video
vital oriole
it's not card breaking issue jeez
orchid loom
vital oriole
people acts like it's the worst thing about it
orchid loom
"It's very bad"
I mean there is a difference when it's running 100W 24/7
But what about Turing power limit down
Does that do anything
vital oriole
It does matter, but that's only for some cases
orchid loom
Like I'm leaving my pc on to download games overnight
orchid loom
Yea
livid idol
But who uses radeon on a server anyway kek
Linux users since radeon drivers are open source
livid idol
Nvidia is ass on Linux
vital oriole
It's a single game
wicked hound
Whats funny is the outrage of 100w idle by default but not about programs being ๐ฉ 24/7 doing the same thing. Discord practically breaks all efficiency points after streaming/webcam calls, 1GB of VRAM always in use and forces 3D clocks on GPU.
vital oriole
^
Discord literally makes your gpu run higher idle
And it leaks memory like hell
Granted they did seem to improve idle power draw with driver update
Shame how the same driver also seem to apparently kill 6800/6900 cards
oak rivet
Boycott discord
wicked hound
I mean idk tbf. vBIOS should be doing temp protection and not driver
orchid loom
And it leaks memory like hell
Mine doesn't leak memory and I noticed if memory usage starts to get to high it restart itself ๐
Man trying to get discord to eat all my ram so I habe a reason to buy 64GB smh
oak rivet
It's interesting take but discord never made my gpu run more then 300mhz
livid idol
Shame how the same driver also seem to apparently kill 6800/6900 cards
That was December driver, January is out now
wicked hound
It's interesting take but discord never made my gpu run more then 300mhz
Forcing of 3D clocks happens after streaming and/or webcam calls
vital oriole
Ah that's good then
orchid loom
Forcing of 3D clocks happens after streaming and/or webcam calls
Doesn't streaming take some sort of pc power
wicked hound
Doesn't streaming take some sort of pc power
Note past tense, not present
orchid loom
Hmmm
odd siren
During gaming yes but don't want 100w guzzling down just for a YouTube video
It doesn't
orchid loom
"After"
oak rivet
Xtx lover
odd siren
You saw in cultists safi, 3 of us had similar perf, I don't have the multi monitor idle issue
So idle perf increase is not related
oak rivet
odd siren
I've sent you screenshots of my power too
At a 60W delta I doubt that's being guzzled when we were all 2 fps between each other in your favourite portal game lol
orchid loom
I feel like 100W might be just with selected cards
wicked hound
"After"
Basically Discord fails to flush data, kill processes, stop certain API call, etc after stream/webcam processing stuff is turned off.
orchid loom
odd siren
It is kenzie. Not all, but definitely a lot
oak rivet
wicked hound
They've at least partly change some things recently, as I now have noticed VRAM usage is under the Discord process and not the DWM process like it use to be. However I doubt any issues are fixed as there is still the issue of VRAM data not being flushed when not needed anymore.
oak rivet
Sample to Sample variation not good
odd siren
Probably didn't ddu properly or something
wicked hound
Hm, it is pretty interesting that Discord finally moved VRAM usage to their actual Discord process rather then DWM. Can just restart Discord to deal with VRAM issue now.
I cant imagine many Discord users know how the heck to restart DWM (Under details in TM)
cyan steppe
would this be bad bottlenecking?
vital oriole
That's a good pairing
ivory herald
bottleneck says hello. (850mV setting btw).
odd siren
Surprisingly not too bad though
Would say that's minor considering 3080's score around 17-19K
ivory herald
Guy w/ 450w vbios & big oc hit 19k gpu, yea. Tomorrow I'll make sure it's at x16 & will do a few new runs fully stock or w/ an oc+UV. Above pic was only maybe 1850mhz. Indeed still literally 2x a 1080. 
oak rivet
That's 2080ti territory iirc
ivory herald
You're pretty close. (Ignore the 1 I marked in pic below). Will definitely pass those 2 people easily. Nice I got a fhr, if only to not see lhr around.
winged minnow
can u really make out a diffrence between native 4k and 1440p upscaled to 4k using dlss , fsr , Xess
oak rivet
too subjective varies people by people
winged minnow
man i should get a 4k moniter and a high end system to test it for myself
oak rivet
heady turtle
9-11% per thousand is a useless metric lol
fading glacier
random walrus
Maybe it's supposed to just be 9-11 per 1000?
1% seems low but it could be there's some survivorship bias going on idk
heady turtle
You'd think they would have noticed and added a reply or something clarifying
sonic mural
Maybe it's supposed to just be 9-11 per 1000?
No it's percent
Which is really concerning
If it was 9-11 per 1000 that would be totally acceptable for amount of rma
The issue is people who are rma'ing are being told there are no cards to replace theirs so it's kinda a waiting game
Plus some people don't even have a rough estimate of when they'll get a replacement card
odd siren
They should state whether it's all reference or MBA, very misleading since MBA was the highlighted problem child
Also this, from their source:
sonic mural
Who knows ig
Amd spokesperson tries to say rma rate is very low but the data suggests otherwise
Would make sense you wouldn't want to say "yeah we have an abnormally high rma rate with our cards" since it would only feed into the situation that comment describes
odd siren
Here they state it's specifically MBA
So the biostar cooler which is for AMD.com specific purchases
So yeah, that tweet is misleading
I would definitely believe a high rma rate on the biostar reference though
oak rivet
4090s power connector burning left right and center was also misleading
odd siren
Yes it was
That's a very good comparison
It wasn't until nvidia put out the official 2 digit number were we made apparent of how blown out of proportion it was
But I would def believe the MBA biostar just being garbage in general and have a high rma rate
Also implies there isn't a QC check for that cooler
Like,
oak rivet
this actually did nothing but increase 4090 sales here lol
heady turtle
If it was 9-11 per 1000 that would be totally acceptable for amount of rma
But then why they say per thousand lol
odd siren
I kinda also agree with pato there that measurement is a bit funky lol
sonic mural
sure funky but maybe just how they decided to put it
random walrus
https://youtu.be/oAbAXHKqrvM
thoughts on powering a 2070S with a six pin and a daisy-chained sata to 6+2 pin?
livid idol
SATA to 8 pin is a definite fire hazard. SATA isn't rated for that much power. Molex to 8 pin is slightly better if it's a decent quality adapter.
orchid loom
cerulean rover
Sata is rated for like 50w or something similar lol
odd siren
Lol, so I was right, they fixed the idle issues on the 7900 XT and XTX
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Adrenalin-22-12-2-drivers-significantly-increase-RX-7900-XT-XTX-power-efficiency-for-fps-capped-games.681665.0.html
There's now testing to support this that it's not an issue
livid idol
Technically beating them at least
odd siren
Technically yeah
livid idol
1W lower idle than direct competitor 4080
odd siren
Idk, they don't seem to be reflecting a lot of the problems that people are claiming, when it's more prevalent on nvidia anyway lol
But 4k playback is still an issue
Maybe I should stick my 4090 in the triple monitor rig
See how much power that draws for the lulz
I need the xtx waterblock first tho so I don't need to rerun any soft tube lines
wicked hound
https://youtu.be/oAbAXHKqrvM
thoughts on powering a 2070S with a six pin and a d...
Why in tarnation would they go the bad way. They could just do 6P to 8P and 2 SATA to 6P for it to technically be safe (but out of spec).
random walrus
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
livid idol
Right? 6 to 8 is totally fine, the extra 2 lines are only ground
Many power supplies tie the extra ground pins to the others anyway ๐
orchid loom
Sorry the data I found seems to be fake I'll habe to delete it
orchid loom
fading glacier
basically a way to reduce the price without pissing early 4080 owners
"is just a new variant"
clever
orchid loom
sudden frigate
So is it worth it to get an off brand gpu like Biostar or peladin to get a 3080? Or the tuf 3070ti is the same price
odd siren
What's the price?
warm yew
Hi, where can I find information of problems related to graphics cards ? I think I have a conflit between Inter and Nvidia, I lost Nvidia while Im working so most of the times I have to reboot teh system. Thank you
heady turtle
What's your issue?
odd siren
livid idol
Sounds like DDU time
heady turtle
Yeah worth a shot
livid idol
?ddu
neat ventureBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
heady turtle
I didn't know rommy took out the ! ones
Nah ! Is mee6 we moving completely to dyno afaik
livid idol
That's nothing new, cherry picking results and comparisons are industry standard by now
odd siren
Not to mention Ada is renowned for it's efficiency
RDNA 3 and Zen 4 came out dialed up to 11 out the gate
livid idol
4090 at 75% power getting 98% of performance be like
odd siren
You also have 13th gen flexing the same chops at extremely low power
AMD is clinging on, that said I still like the new cards despite the efficiency loss
livid idol
Not like AMD is though, 7950X at 105W is fantastic
odd siren
Yes but a 13900K at 85W is just as nice
12900K power at that little? That's some nice efficiency too there intel
Not to mention it games better than one
livid idol
I was considering all core loads but if you want to put gaming in the mix 65W mode is a thing too
odd siren
TSMC showing it's chops tbh
sudden frigate
What's the price?
3070ti tuf card $650. 3080 biostar is $699
odd siren
3070ti tuf card $650. 3080 biostar is $699
Would rather the $699 6950XT OC Formula off of Newegg
Would beat both of those in most of everything especially gaming
sudden frigate
Yeah but using for video editing. Need navidia
odd siren
You could get a 3080 used for like, 450
Not sure if stretching to biostar of all brands, is a good idea, but also 650 for a 3070 Ti is just nasty
ivory herald
500ish is more common, but indeed 70 ti at anything over 450ish is an ez no. The 6x bandwidth isn't worth the near-3080 wattage, lol.
livid idol
Also not worth the 1-2% increase in performance over the 3070 in most tasks
haughty musk
what gpu should i get for i5-12400f
fading glacier
it will work well with any last gen gpu, both 30 series and 6000 series
whats your budget?
heady turtle
Depends on the budget something in the rx 6600xt-6750xt range
haughty musk
whats your budget?
for pc overall or just gpu
odd siren
what gpu should i get for i5-12400f
we told you b660 ds3h ax is fine
haughty musk
we told you b660 ds3h ax is fine
gpu
odd siren
oh gpu? sorry I misread
haughty musk
nah no worries
heady turtle
Tbf they didn't specify they're just in gpu chat
odd siren
what's your total budget dusk
oak rivet
With a 12400f I would say sky is the limit in terms of gpu choices
fading glacier
8k and rt on ofc
haughty musk
what's your total budget dusk
$1130
heady turtle
6900/3090 really is the limit
That's so icky for a 6 core not even any e core cpu tho
heady turtle
I'm 90% sure i already made them one
oak rivet
Soo how much would you guys pay for this?
keen nacelle
I'd say somewhere around 1100
Maybe 1200
Cpus gonna be a decent limit unless at 4k, even then pushing it
eternal kite
Do you guys think a r9 290 windforce and a i7 2600 will run good?
sonic mural
Run what
livid idol
Roblox maybe lol
sonic mural
It'd be great for zoom
heady turtle
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VwGgfv
96$ for a b tier 650w detechie
livid idol
PSUs are getting expensive again
heady turtle
Yeah but that's at least a tier pricing
You can get both revo df and tt gf1 for cheaper
Like you could do this for 1150
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DnqnVw
odd siren
96$ for a b tier 650w detechie
Uh, that was $80 earlier today...
heady turtle
Makes more sense
odd siren
I'll make more sense of u in a minute
heady turtle
I'd still go 5$ more for modular and a tier upgrade tho
livid idol
I made a series of saved lists using parametric filters, so I can make pcpp do the work for me
Especially useful outside the US
heady turtle
Smh just git good?
warm yew
What's your issue?
nvidia deactivate automatically
livid idol
?ddu
neat ventureBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
livid idol
Use that to delete both the Intel and Nvidia graphics drivers, then install the latest of both
heady turtle
And make sure you're plugged into the Nvidia gpu if it's a desktop
Or well the one you want to use plug the monitor into that
oak rivet
soo asus pushed the 4070ti far enough out of the box to beat a 4080?
vital oriole
copium
sonic mural
I love how slow the 3090ti looks
wicked hound
soo asus pushed the 4070ti far enough out of the box to beat a 4080?
4090 sucks, 5% more perf for 100% more money. Time to boycott 4090 everyone ||/s||
sonic mural
Hey look! Looks like those testing people got lucky and got a working 7900xtx! /s
oak rivet
ivory herald
Yea no way at stock it beats a 4080 (so much) w/ only this:
wicked hound
Man if I saw such numbers I'd bloody well try like 20 different scenarios wondering wtf is going on. New OS, driver, game install. Different PCs. Different OS/driver/game versions.
ivory herald
True. Many of us aren't big fans of the frame gen thing. Not sure I'll even use dlss at all.
heady turtle
4070 ti HOF big why
south vortex
Is anyone here still looking for RTX 4090?
orchid loom
@solemn panther I don't think this is allowed
@wraith pasture do you wanna tag this
fading glacier
6600 vs 6650xt? how much is the difference in performance
keen nacelle
Just a guesstimate I'd say around 20-25%
keen nacelle
6600 non xt
livid idol
Oh non XT is definitely slower
keen nacelle
6600xt is around 5% ye
livid idol
Going from 90 to 109 fps on average is pretty significant
fading glacier
yeah i was talking about that with a friend
at the end he went for the 6600 non xt at 260us
a merc
told him that everything else below that was used market territory
orchid loom
How much difference from 6600 vs 4090
livid idol
It's only a 10 degree delta max for everything but the FE, but some are apparently only saved by lower power limits
orchid loom
It's only a 10 degree delta max for everything but the FE, but some are apparent...
yea
livid idol
How much difference from 6600 vs 4090 <:Sip:804415139591749662>
They're not really comparable since there's a CPU bottleneck using the 4090 at anything less than 4k and the 6600 can't do 4k effectively due to lower memory
orchid loom
They're not really comparable since there's a CPU bottleneck using the 4090 at a...
wym memory like the vram
orchid loom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4MIq8xf664 the 6600xt seems to run 4k not at good FPS but its going brrrrrrrrrr
livid idol
Wow that's just a bunch of average fps charts, kinda useless for this
orchid loom
lol
livid idol
What isn't shown is any stats like GPU/CPU/VRAM usage... does it even say what CPU?
livid idol
No that's just sponsored links
There's absolutely no evidence they actually used a 7600X to start with, and if they did that's a CPU bottleneck below 4k like I said
13900k at least has a chance at 1440p
livid idol
Ok, then 7600X with X670E, I too love spending more on the motherboard than the CPU 
There's still no evidence they're using any of those parts too, like an in game overlay showing cpu/gpu stats
orchid loom
Ok, then 7600X with X670E, I too love spending more on the motherboard than the ...
I can't stop the guy from buying it
You know how many people bought amd cpus
oak rivet
True but that's a $500 motherboard and a $250 cpu lol
Wdym a motherboard doesn't increase fps
More rgb more fps
ivory herald
Haha, of course meant $250mobo& $500 cpu. 
livid idol
That would at least get you a 7900X which almost makes sense
But no idea why the guy wouldn't get an Intel system for a lot cheaper... Oh yeah "sponsorships" so they're not paying for the hardware
oak rivet
Uncommon A770 w btw
heady turtle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4MIq8xf664 the 6600xt seems to run 4k not at go...
But why
heady moon
have a son(16) who's focused on putting 4090 into his PC, last time I built my own pc's was before I even had any kids. just looking for assist on anything I should be double checking when doing the upgrade...
some common sense has prevailed and it will be sometime before upgrade will happen, first change will be to upgrade b550 in his budget gaming micro-ATX tower to 1000W. obviously looking for prices to come back down
*on GPU, not PS
livid idol
You'll want to make sure the 4090 physically fits in your case, both length and thickness are greatly increased over previous generations.
You'll also probably want a bottom intaking case to feed the monster
Man this is just embarrassing, all that red on top of the chart... but none of it is current gen
solemn panther
Disgusting
livid idol
7900 XT is barely better than the 6950 XT, tsk tsk
solemn panther
In a few generations, PC gaming as a hobby will be in danger of being unaffordable
livid idol
Considering how long it's been since we had a decent low range gpu yeah
Last "good" one was the 1030
solemn panther
Lol
A majority of even budget gamers wouldn't touch that
In the near future Nvidia might be forced to crank their prices down if they want to remain relevant
livid idol
They saw how much we were willing to pay during the shortage and got greedy
solemn panther
Because this is entirely unfair, they are alienating themselves
Well the shortage is over. They need to stop
livid idol
Exactly. The only reason people were willing to pay so much is because demand was so high.
It's not high any more.
Plus the promise of making "free money" by mining with your gpu made people willing to invest more
heady turtle
Current gen gpu value sucks
solemn panther
One hundred percent
heady turtle
have a son(16) who's focused on putting 4090 into his PC, last time I built my o...
Especially for a 16 year old 4090 is extremely overkill
solemn panther
$2000 for a graphics card that weighs under 10 pounds.....
heady turtle
4090 at current pricing is worth it if you are Jeff bezos or you hate your wallet or you're doing professional workloads
solemn panther
When will companies like Nvidia ever decide that they can stay at a sustainable market value and not let greed take over... The customer is king, not you.
(only in a perfect world)
heady moon
the last few comments are all obvious and "no duh" comments! alot revolves around personal life specifics!
my first CPU was built for 500 from newegg, with a used LCD obtained elsewhere over 20 years ago, so believe me I get what yall are saying!
hot bough
Especially for a 16 year old 4090 is extremely overkill
I am confused, how is the person's age relevant to what they want/need?
But yes I agree a 4090 is overkill for most people.
heady moon
@hot bough RIGHT?!
hot bough
I will stop here but like I've seen 12 year olds do more professional work than an adult so age is a bad factor to base a person's wants/needs on. IMO.
heady turtle
I am confused, how is the person's age relevant to what they want/need?
It's the price
Imo it's too much for a gift for your child
Also seems like they're gaming so not needed
heady moon
lol, its not "A Gift", seriously busting out chores like hes never chored before!!!!
but yes gaming is what he does...
hot bough
lol, its not "A Gift", seriously busting out chores like hes never chored before...
Lmao, that's what a young friend of mine did for about 10 months.
He did chores every single day till he had $2300 saved up.
heady moon
he'll currently scrap a fresh sprinkling of snow off driveway, even if he just ran snowblower 2 hrs beforehand!
so 1000watt CPU, 4090GPU, 2x16GB(32GB) Ram in plans but should we be aiming higher to start with? can we get reasonable GPU operation out of 32GB Ram? I never did PC gaming on any level that were GPU based, while he talks of ray shading and 3D VR, weather or not he fully understands the specifics of what it is he's talking about!
but I suppose in that sense perhaps I've just taken my dad's place in not understanding just what it is that my kids talking about
heady moon
the last few comments are all obvious and "no duh" comments! alot revolves aroun...
see above comment
heady turtle
if theyve earned it sure but honestly theyd be better off saving the money
heady turtle
so 1000watt CPU, 4090GPU, 2x16GB(32GB) Ram in plans but should we be aiming high...
the thing with ram, if youll have enough depends on what youre doing, if you have enough, all that matters then is the speed of it
but 32gb is a nice amount for gaming
heady moon
and I fully agree with you and wish It could be changed, but again life specifics...
heady moon
but 32gb is a nice amount for gaming
thank you!
heady turtle
thing is you cant even get the 4090 at msrp
especially when 4080 is actually at msrp 4080 is deff the better buy
like this is the absolute most i would say is worth spending on a gaming pc atm (excluding peripherals but including monitor ) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rtxpv3
solemn panther
I hope they have a 4080ti 16gb with the same marketing stand point as the 3080ti. The ti was the answer to a 3090 for gamers. It would be nice to see near 4090 performance with a vram amount made for gamers in mind. However, the price is likely going to be trash.
heady turtle
except like a year later
solemn panther
๐ฆ ๐ฅถ
heady moon
like this is the absolute most i would say is worth spending on a gaming pc atm ...
Thanks for posting helpful and informative link!
heady moon
if my current tower has a depth of 363mm is there a GPU length range i should aim for? 4090 seem to be in 240 - 360mm range
fading glacier
yeah, anything below 363mm
livid idol
he'll currently scrap a fresh sprinkling of snow off driveway, even if he just r...
I appreciate a good hustle like that, lucky kid.
oak rivet
I was digging through even more benchmarks
When compute is at heavy play 1080ti falls below a 2060?
heady turtle
I was digging through even more benchmarks
Don't use those TPU charts they usually don't use the same ram/cpu setup from what I've seen
heady moon
This silly Ray-Tracing is what my son talks of in terms of for 4090, but just found article saying anything 3060 and up wins out for it
heady turtle
4090 definitely is the best
oak rivet
What article is that?
oak rivet
Article doesn't say 3060 wins over a 4090
heady turtle
Probably meant that a 3060 would be fine for RT
odd siren
He said 3060 and up
heady moon
oops, sorry. I have a brain injury and my thoughts often dont keep up with mouth/fingers
odd siren
And context probably implying vs amd
heady moon
And context probably implying vs amd
precisely
odd siren
I followed along don't worry 
heady moon
AMD was my jam 20 years ago! ๐
fading glacier
what all the guys tried to tell you all this time is that the 4090 is way overkill for only gaming.... your boi should be fine on a 4080 or a 4070ti, way more affordable
oak rivet
Unless 4k ray tracing ig
fading glacier
even on 4k rt the 4080 and 4070ti are enough
4090 is very close to a workstation gpu
unless you really need the 24gb of vram, its overkill
heady moon
3060 at 400 is a hell of alot more stomachable then 1500-2200
fading glacier
it is yeah, but i should take a 3060ti as the bare minimum
the 3060 is an ok card... not a great card
oak rivet
Well its performance is not comparable to those cards aswell
heady moon
3060ti is what i meant! ๐
fading glacier
he'll be happy
heady moon
oak rivet
That price seems damn good for a 3060ti
heady moon
when factoring price, there is a steep diff between 60, 70, 80....
oak rivet
Wonder why
heady moon
demand..."New"ness
oak rivet
Definitely not the performance
heady moon
lol, if only i could have my kid understand that!
random walrus
3060ti is awesome
heady moon
anything to speak of its Ray-tracing capabilities & performance?
heady turtle
3060 ti is great performance wise in raster (normal), decent in ray tracing too
Also remember a lot of the benchmarks you see will run games at ultra where it might look exactly the same at medium or low sometimes kneecapping your fps for no good reason
keen nacelle
3060 ti great gpu from personal experience
Handles every single game I've thrown at it at 1440p minimum 100 fps not including rtx max settings, aside from mw2
But mw2 is just terribly optimized
heady turtle
Warzone is also crazily cpu heavy compared to most games
keen nacelle
Why does my auto correct change terribly to terrible
heady moon
so when speaking of 3060ti, what should i be looking at in terms of CPU to match workload capabilities?
keen nacelle
13400f would be a good choice
12400f/5600 are both good choices too, just depends on price
fading glacier
F means no integrated graphics on the cpu
which you dont need if you are buying a discrete gpu, like a 3060ti
thats why F skus are cheaper
heady moon
ah yes, thanks for correcting my misreading
fading glacier
thats why bacca suggested F skus, to save money... you dont need an igpu anyway ๐
orchid loom
thats why bacca suggested F skus, to save money... you dont need an igpu anyway ...
Igpu saved me when I plugged in my 4080 and the basic drivers didn't show up
keen nacelle
Emphasis on you
heady moon
thanks for all info & assistance!
ivory herald
Also some people try displayport on a 1st boot or such & wonder why there's possible issues. 
orchid loom
Also some people try displayport on a 1st boot or such & wonder why there's poss...
Wym
fading glacier
display port on 1st boot most of the time wont work until drivers, hdmi is the way for first boot
fading glacier
my 3060ti made that
only hdmi worked until the drivers were in
was weird
funny enough
made the same thing when i installed it on my sis pc
first boot... no dp
but that time i was no longer concerned
now is happily feeding a 4k monitor thru dp just to play youtube and tiktoks xD
or
maybe you are right pato
because i never restarted after the first boot without drivers
maybe a restart was all it needed
heady turtle
because i never restarted after the first boot without drivers
What i mean by that is like sometimes if you hotswap dp while the pc is on it won't detect til restart so unless you turned on pc then plugged in monitor ๐คทโโ๏ธ
fading glacier
on both times i plugged the dp and turned on the pc
no signal
hot swapped to hdmi, bam! signal
then normal installation bla bla bla, drivers, and after that restart hot swapped to dp, bingo
obviosuly until that point the pc restarted like 3 or 4 times cause windows installlation and bios settings
so probably as you said, after the first restart dp was just ok to plug now
but never tried
๐
btw this memory bandwidth is kinda sad ๐ฆ
even more on gddr6 non x
vital oriole
128bit
fading glacier
heck even the 3060ti will destroy that card
oak rivet
soo they acknowledged the mistake
fading glacier
no s.... safi
ivory herald
It's obviously more a 1080p option. That bandwidth is close to a gtx 1080 for comparison, it's fine. Edit: callled it! Crappy testing .
fading glacier
will be a good option if priced accordingly
oak rivet
It's obviously more a 1080p option. That bandwidth is close to a gtx 1080 for c...
what will?
fading glacier
the 4060ti
fading glacier
no rebar on your card?
oak rivet
no turing does not have it
fading glacier
๐ข
random walrus
heck even the 3060ti will destroy that card
๐
oak rivet
yeah nvidia is smart enough to not regress performance per tier
vital oriole
it's gddr6?
fading glacier
yup
vital oriole
eh
vital oriole
i mean ada is different in how it handles bus width
so we'll see
but i doubt it will be like that
it's just leaks atm
oak rivet
this should be aimed at the upper end of the 1080p market
ivory herald
Are those specs actually close to.what it.might be? Slower than predecessor is ridiculous
vital oriole
it will at least have 256 bit if it uses g6
random walrus
3060ti OP?
random walrus
it looks more like 4060 spec
Yeah 4060 makes sense
vital oriole
160w is already suspicious
oak rivet
4070ti outperforms a 3090ti at 1440p with its 192 bit bus width
fading glacier
is gddr6x
vital oriole
huh
vital oriole
but my hunch says it's more like 4050
oak rivet
2070 had tu106
fading glacier
and not ad102
fading glacier
ik what you tried to say foxxy, just hope those leaks are worng
vital oriole
ye
fading glacier
but so far, it looks awful
fading glacier
but kopite.....
vital oriole
imma cry
fading glacier
i mean, hes pretty reliable... but just this time i hope he is wrong
oak rivet
hope its priced like 400$ and outperforms a 3070ti
fading glacier
Judging by the way prices are being handled, that seems to be a 600usd card
oak rivet
there still is the 4070 non ti that has to be slotted in between
fading glacier
yeah... at 700usd
vital oriole
that'll be 700
fading glacier
figures
fading glacier
4070 will perform as the 3080 just for the same price
there you have it
stagnation
vital oriole
thanks radeon
oak rivet
something something power draw ig
vital oriole
nvidia is very confident
vital oriole
even then 4070ti's at launch even sold out
at 1k too
then price quickly went back to normal
people will buy any ada gpu
at any price point
oak rivet
its a interesting architecture imo
vital oriole
it is just badly priced
fading glacier
totally
odd siren
Clock prolly go brrr
fading glacier
good cards, bad price
odd siren
3.2ghz?
fading glacier
Clock prolly go brrr
yeah must be at least 2400 to be meaningful
to translate to 18gbps effective
fading glacier
oh, i was talking about mem clocks
oak rivet
some 4070tis hit 3090mhz iirc
odd siren
fading glacier
วษษds ษo สno ษนวสแดษน วษฅส puษ หหหษนวสแดษน วษฅส oส วฦษษฏแด วษฅส สoษนษฅส puษ 'วษนแดษ ษฅสแดส สแด llแดส
fading glacier
So its true that in australia everything is trying to kill you?
fading glacier
oak rivet
the card will be 160watt only it seems
random walrus
I've heard it also has a tiny pcb
fading glacier
4 slots wide as well
odd siren
Inb4 noisy msi mech cards again
odd siren
4 slots wide as well
They all have the same cooler up to the 90's
random walrus
4 slots wide as well
Wait actually?
fading glacier
odd siren
Introducing the new 4050
They put up a master and it's as big as the 4090
Runs 28C at full load
random walrus
4 slot 160w
random walrus
Heatsink gonna cost more than the silicon
fading glacier
im in hell rn, all my system is at 40-45c at idle xD
both gpu and cpu
34c ambient temp.... truly a hellish landscape
random walrus
-5C/23F here
random walrus
Colorado is pretty nice I gotta say
oak rivet
They all have the same cooler up to the 90's <:kekw:741678350791081994>
4070ti strix is much smaller then 4090 strix it seems
random walrus
Hottest weather I've ever been in was around 46C
ivory herald
Those sort of temps is why I don't bench in "summer". Instead, outside it's currently below 10c & inside is.... 15-20c, guessing.
random walrus
But then I was also on concrete with concrete walls around me so the actual temp may have been higher
keen nacelle
Runs 28C at full load
That actually would be kind of interesting, if there was one model of each tier gpu that has a 4090 level shroud
Would be a waste of money, but people into ocing might be interested
keen nacelle
Possibly overall cheaper though
odd siren
Heh, probably
keen nacelle
Waterblocks are what, $100 min?
keen nacelle
Def would be an interesting alternative then
Kinda like strix tax but with a semi excusable reason
hot bough
I wanna see a 4070 with a cooler 2x the size of the aorus.
I wonder what the temps would be like lmfao.
Please Nvidia if you hear me, make a Chonkers Edition gpu with a gargantuan cooler!
quartz gull
It's snowstorms like today that make me thankful to have a 450 watt space heater inside my computer
ivory herald
Definitely was a good time of year for me to have a 3080, lol. I should be doing more tests near stock voltage/wattage for... sicence.
oak rivet
Definitely was a good time of year for me to have a 3080, lol. I should be doing...
Good time for anyone with a 3060 or above performing gpu
That 3050 shouldn't age well at all
ivory herald
Indeed the 3060 just makes me hope some people kept a 1080 (ti) even longer.
livid idol
Delusional, insane, or other? https://www.ebay.com/itm/275618966196
Remember they paid the insertion fee based on what they listed it for
livid idol
You can't even say it was a typo when putting the price because of how specific that starting bid is
vital oriole
i can literally get 3060ti used for basically half
better chances with 3060
but ti is possible
sonic mural
But can you get a xfx 3060(ti) in excellent condition?
Exactly
So the 570 better because it's xfx
vital oriole
lol
livid idol
More X more better
odd siren
XFX Xvidia RTX RX 3060 XTX GDDR6X
oak rivet
Delusional, insane, or other? https://www.ebay.com/itm/275618966196
Probably trying to squeeze out people who still think the situation is like 2020
odd siren
Fascinating
I'm witnessing my NT-H1 dry out on my 3090
The delta was constant for a week
Suddenly tonight, the delta climbed 20C
And I just ran a synthetic for a minute and now the delta is 25C
70.6- 96
Core used to be 73 and delta 83 under the same conditions
It's the second time it's done this
Delta is climbing extremely fast
oak rivet
vertical or horizontal mount?
odd siren
Horizontal why
This isn't a vapour chamber
It's the nt-h1 drying out
It's done this to me before
oak rivet
ps5 had some seeping issue when vertically mounted
oak rivet
It's the nt-h1 drying out
isnt it like a expensive paste aswell?
odd siren
Yes
But noctua paste has been extremely reliable
I have my first bad tube after maybe 2 years of using NT-H1 & H2
I'm taking pictures later, I put a LOT of paste on this mount
Thick full die spread
The first time this happened I had the thinnest amount leftover
Basically dust compared to what it started with
If anything I'm just fascinated
livid idol
Sounds like the same reason they recalled some batches of MX5
odd siren
Yes, doesn't it? Ima take it apart later and find out while also using a new tube
orchid loom
Hmmm 133W card
oak rivet
There is actually a 2 slot 4070ti
heady turtle
An aib model or like dell or something lol
random walrus
seems to be a trend with some of the newer cpus & gpus
they've had their power cranked top the max for 5% more perf
or in the case of some of the ryzen cpus no perf increase
heady turtle
post says inno3d
Ahh I'm fairly sure they had 2 slot 3070s too
Possibly a few 2 slot 3080s
And 4000 draws less power so i guess it makes sense
odd siren
For reference here's how I normally paste a gpu (yes, too much, on purpose, fight me)
Here's what the nt-h1 looked like
Note these 3 corners are completely dry
The first time I had this was way worse
It sort of didn't sink in what was happening until after I repasted the card the first time tho so I'm missing pictures but there was a lot less paste and it was after a fair bit longer
Temps are fine now tho
So yeah pretty sure I have a bad batch of NT-H1 on my hands. I wonder if there's a batch number or smthn I can reference
๐
cerulean rover
Probably somewhere in the packaging
odd siren
Ok no batch number but I have an invoice
heady turtle
Damm you gotta have faulty batch of it then yikes
reef heath
So i have a new tuf oc 4090 with coil whine, is there anyway to fix it or should i just return for replacement?
livid idol
What power supply are you using and are you using the adapter for the 12+4 pin?
reef heath
What power supply are you using and are you using the adapter for the 12+4 pin?
not using an adapter
this was recommended to me by someone
reef heath
it had the 600w for the 4090 variant so thats what im using instead of the given adapter
livid idol
Coil whine is just something that happens and may or may not be fixable by replacing other connected parts like the motherboard
If it's annoying enough to you when gaming then all you can do is return for replacement or RMA
reef heath
Coil whine is just something that happens and may or may not be fixable by repla...
never got this before till i replace my old gpu to 4090 and the new psu
livid idol
What does help sometimes is FPS limiters since it tends to happen more at high frame rates
reef heath
yeah its annoying, sometimes in chrome i just hear it sizing
solid glacier
Iโm so confused
So my RMA they received it but the email they sent me makes zero since
livid idol
This is why you don't use liquid metal on aluminum coolers
orchid loom
never got this before till i replace my old gpu to 4090 and the new psu
Didn't they said coil wine was gunna happen on 4090 just bc higher power limit
ivory herald
Psu isn't really the 1st or 2nd thing that contributes bad coil whine (of gpu).
reef heath
Lol this was in the article
lol that option is out, extending all cables connect would just be a hustle and waste of money.
orchid loom
Yea you could limit fps idk
reef heath
Yea you could limit fps idk
I understand that, but it also whines when im in chrome. Sometimes
orchid loom
Welp time to limit chrome
reef heath
Welp time to limit chrome
5fps
orchid loom
random walrus
I understand that, but it also whines when im in chrome. Sometimes <:pepehmmm:90...
could try disabling hardware acceleration
ivory herald
Yep, Cpus have long been good enough to not need gpu hardware accel for general stuff like that.
random walrus
I find on my pc a lot of stuff has blurry text when hw accel is on. Feels just fine with it off tho
oak rivet
seems like when you cap the fps you have lower power draw with the new drivers compared to the old drivers
fine wine is here already
heady turtle
Woah that's a big drop in power usage
hasty monolith
So is the current amd drivers ok to reinstall now for 6800 and 6900 series
vital oriole
yes
fading glacier
so far, yes
vital oriole
only december driver was affected
hasty monolith
so far, yes
I meant reinstalling the december drivers
hasty monolith
I just saw a new video on that
fading glacier
should be one from january
hasty monolith
should be one from january
Only dec drivers for 6800xt
fading glacier
then just wait on your current drivers
hasty monolith
don't get the same driver with the issue
The 48 gpus that was dead only 2 are new the rest were used and used for mining.
vital oriole
mining has nothing to do with core dying
unless the gpus were abused, which didn't seem to be the case
fading glacier
dont follow the mob mentality plz.... they just talk non sense without a bit of knowledge on mining
vital oriole
why are you insistent on using the december drivers at all?
just use the latest one
hasty monolith
just use the latest one
That is the latest one for 6800xt
vital oriole
nah watch the date
fading glacier
look at me, im using my 3080 with mid december drivers instead of the january drivers... why? because is more stable on my card
you dont need the last to be in top shape
if yours is working well, just go with it
or wait till some late january drivers
question.... your 6800xt is working well?
hasty monolith
question.... your 6800xt is working well?
Yeah. No issue. Core temps are in the norm. Only issue is coil whine im only like less than 1 foot from pc though
fading glacier
then chill on your current drivers until the next update
i dont see the hurry on your case
coil whine is something you need to accept in time... come attached with any gpu on load ๐
you can lessen the noise by limiting the frames, but thats on you
hasty monolith
This is my first pc i was gaming on my series x b4 this. Im not sure about all this drivers stuff tbh
orchid loom
look at me, im using my 3080 with mid december drivers instead of the january dr...
The only issue is when new games come out and you wanna play them they put the new games on the optional drivers and you can't play the game until you download it
Warzone 2.0 had that issue
fading glacier
well now you know, but at the end of the day is on you... if you insist on installing the december drivers then its on you
fading glacier
The only issue is when new games come out and you wanna play them they put the n...
yeah this is the only time when new drivers are justified. But if you are not playing the new released game of the month, then is almost no point
orchid loom
Yea
fading glacier
well.... you can play the game, just not well optimized
orchid loom
Well not for warzone
fading glacier
lame activision moment
orchid loom
Every time load into game it said update drivers
It wouldn't let you play on old drivers
fading glacier
ew
still dont know why i experience screen tearing on the latest driver
weird
ill just wait for the next one ๐
orchid loom
I had screen tearing when my monitor refresh rate was 60hz
I turned it up to 170hz and it went away
fading glacier
well im ok with my 144hz on the 527.56, but on the 528 my games start to screen tear my frames ๐ฆ
orchid loom
Lol
fading glacier
funny my geforce experience tell me that im in the latest driver
but the latests is the one from january... maybe my gpu know better
or the january one is not optimized well enough idk
are you on the latest kenzie?
orchid loom
Idk
oak rivet
certain games or features only work on latest drivers
specially frame gen for 40 series owners
that is not the latest
528.02 is
wicked hound
Hm, interesting theory. So maybe RDNA2 GPUs were dying cuz they were stored in a bad place for a while?
Also glad to see him not pushing for driver causing the issue. I just cant imagine a way for drivers to disable temp protections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ejlt-7-h9o
fading glacier
528.02 is
yeah i know
but since the 528.02 made screen tearing a thing on some of my games i rolled back to december drivers and im fine for now
oak rivet
orchid loom
hasty monolith
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Astronomically-high-Forspoken-system-requirements-...
I saw. 32 gigs ram 4 4k and 16 gigs for min spec. 4080 vs 6800xt ridiculous
fading glacier
not because the raster performance, dont be fooled
its because the vram
there is no other nvidia card with that amount of vram as a minimum
oak rivet
3090 is way above 16
fading glacier
3090 isnt 16gb
orchid loom
Not power full enough
fading glacier
im talking about 16 as the base
orchid loom
3090 isnt 16gb
Oh they just doing 16