Wonder how much difference he will see when he is doing 4k rt lol
#graphics-cards
oak rivet
fading glacier
sadly 12gb vram will age bad for 4k
fading glacier
i wouldnt go 4070ti when you can dive for a 3090 in the used market for less
oak rivet
Think he was planning on a 4080 and not 4070ti
odd siren
Go the next step down then. 3090/3090 Ti/4070 Ti all do 4k 60 pretty much
open dragon
dlss3 is a wild card though, that might age really well
i wouldn't want to bet on it but if you keep a GPU 5 years it might hold up
odd siren
dlss3 is a wild card though, that might age really well
Maybe, they need to fix the latency penalty the most with it imo
oak rivet
Definitely did for us turing users
odd siren
Let alone the spotty frame gen
fading glacier
i wouldn't want to bet on it but if you keep a GPU 5 years it might hold up
so, you are saying that a 3090/3090ti will not hold up 5 years from now?
open dragon
it might not last as long as a 40 series if DLSS3 gets adapted in a lot of titles
fading glacier
oak rivet
odd siren
If you get decent frames now and it's relative then it doesn't really matter
oak rivet
4k is just a hard resolution
open dragon
yeah a res that gets a lot easier the better things like dlss get
fading glacier
said it before and say it again.... 4070ti vs 3090: 3090 wins because 24gb vram will age better in the long run... dlss3 have nothing to do with "future proofing" in this comparison
both cards perfrom quite the same but the 4070ti is heavily handicapped on the vram department
open dragon
have you used dlss3? i don't see why it's less future proof outside of the chance it doesn't get put in games
oak rivet
Didn't he say he was looking at a 4080
fading glacier
no, he was looking for best value at 4k, you suggested him 40 series
which is a wrong advice
oak rivet
No he said 4k rt?
Even pato dude said 4080,7900xtx and 4090 lol
You realise how crazy hard this res is even without rt
heady turtle
no, he was looking for best value at 4k, you suggested him 40 series
honestly 4k especially with RT basically means stuck going this gen
odd siren
have you used dlss3? i don't see why it's less future proof outside of the chan...
It's a bit of a meme if I'm honest
vital oriole
dlss 3.0 is also not magic, it still has flaws but I gotta agree with pato
odd siren
<i have a 4090
soft heath
ah I also had another question. I always see brands like manli, inno3d, palit being cheaper than more known names like asus, zotac, gigabyte and so on. Are they good tho?
oak rivet
There other 4090 owners who actually play games and would like to differ
fading glacier
ah I also had another question. I always see brands like manli, inno3d, palit be...
soft heath
yes
open dragon
it has flaws, but if 5 years from now say TES6 supports DLSS3 and the 3090 Ti only gets 30FPS wouldn't the 4070Ti probably get 60?
fading glacier
5 years from now we will have 60 series and dlss 4.0
vital oriole
And you won't say the same
fading glacier
and dlss3 will be a dead tech anyway
oak rivet
Judging how heavily turing benefits from dlss nowadays there is weight to that
vital oriole
yep, it's a step before mcm
vital oriole
If you absolutely want to do 4k max then 40 series is the only way
fading glacier
heavily overpriced and just a stop gap
vital oriole
2 years of wait is long
open dragon
40 series sucks unless you wanted an MSRP 3090 but thought the performance was bad
open dragon
msrp as in the original msrp for 3090
vital oriole
but it still does 4k decent with 24 gigs vram
fading glacier
msrp as in the original msrp for 3090
you dont get 3090s or 3090ti at msrp, you just fish for them on the used market
open dragon
are there any benchmarks out there which saturate high VRAM?
oak rivet
@open dragon you are comparing 3090ti 4k dlss quality vs 4070ti dlss quality along with frame gen?
vital oriole
benchmarks aren't games
also why gotta frame gen be so big of a deal when in 2 years better frame gen will come anyway 
oak rivet
https://youtu.be/j5udAzvKQXk
@open dragon
vital oriole
it's irrelevant as soon as next gen comes
fading glacier
again, from a 4k persepctive, 24 vram beats 12vram every day of the week
vital oriole
dlss 4.0 is probably gonna be as good as it gets
if things go according to plan for nvidia
soft heath
any point in upgrading from 3070 to smth like used 3090 ti for 880€? Or should it come down to me just waiting?
vital oriole
eh, i wouldn't
open dragon
what would 4.0 do differently
oak rivet
You said 3070 is not cutting it at 4k
vital oriole
i couldn't say yet
fading glacier
any point in upgrading from 3070 to smth like used 3090 ti for 880€? Or should i...
best value on the brand new market is on the 4090 sadly, but best real value is 3090 on the used market
but on a personal opinion 3070 should last at least 2 years more for the 50 series
40 series is not a good generational jump form 30 series
oak rivet
Could use dlss balanced
fading glacier
to 20 series and down sure, but not on 30 series
soft heath
I’ll just not play at 4k then lol
oak rivet
Looks nativeish at 4k
soft heath
I guess that’s a solution
vital oriole
3070 is fine for 1440p still aswell
fading glacier
or lower some setting if you really want rt
vital oriole
vram might be an issue but 50 series is well worth waiting for
oak rivet
Df makes optimized rt settings could follow those aswell
fading glacier
sometimes max setting is enoug, ultra has diminish returns
vital oriole
what's the point of rt if you don't run graphics at high anyway lol
it doesn't really make sense
odd siren
There other 4090 owners who actually play games and would like to differ
If ur gonna rebute me like that then bring them here to tell me otherwise
open dragon
i feel like good RT could make medium settings look better than ultra without RT if designed well
vital oriole
^
but oftentimes it tanks fps for not much gain
if at all
gotta experiment with games
oak rivet
open dragon
oh wow 5950x is holding it back? I guess that means my 5900x definitely is
vital oriole
lol
that's a lie
it's just the game being heavy with rt on
old game with new tech implemented
especially said old game is known to be heavy to begin with
odd siren
Remember what I said about the 5800X bottlenecking? It's the zen 3 ipc
oak rivet
Well he is looking at a 4070ti and 4080 not 4090
open dragon
what's the easiest way to know my CPU is bottlenecking a game? is it just seeing my GPU under 100% or is there more to it
odd siren
13th gen, high end 12th, zen 4 and X3D are really just about the floor for the high end new gen due to ipc
Otherwise you bottle the cards
vital oriole
gpu usage doesn't really tell the whole story
oak rivet
Think you want the usage reading like these to know your gpu is the absolute limit
odd siren
(4070 Ti is supposed to be mid range in nvidias words)
vital oriole
some games are so light the engine limit just puts the high end gpu to sleep
if you play those that is
odd siren
Think you want the usage reading like these to know your gpu is the absolute lim...
I'm not taking apart 2 systems to stick it in my 5900X system just to prove a point
You can do it for me lol
By posting comments like that
oak rivet
OK don't do that then
odd siren
Yes I won't
The card is on water
I'd have to disassemble a loop for trivial discord arguments 🤡
oak rivet
I will do 10400f and 40 series this year soo yeah will see how that goes
oak rivet
4060 will be like a 3070ti?
open dragon
sheesh low ten series
odd siren
Here we go
3600X≈10400f against this mighty of a gpu
Lad was in the corsair server saying "is something wrong with my gpu?"
oak rivet
4090 is the only 40 series gpu?
odd siren
You were saying 4090 for a long time safi
oak rivet
Here we go
Still probably having a way better experience then me
odd siren
He would've except for the fact he was getting 900$ of his 1600$ purchase
vital oriole
wasting gpu power moment
oak rivet
Also you said him to do tse?
odd siren
No, I only watched
I don't like to talk in that server
TSE wasn't going to be much better TS you should see 36K-ish
And that's being generous
38K is more realistic
open dragon
finally a setup where my 7900xtx beats a 4090
oak rivet
110c is pog indeed
open dragon
tbh i have a 4090 on the way cause I want to do VR gaming but the xtx is great at everything else
vital oriole
time to pair 4090 with an i7 4790k
open dragon
i have the sapphire nitro it's never hitting 110
vital oriole
that problem is only on fe tho
open dragon
xfx wouldn't have fit in my case it's so long
vital oriole
and certain batches of reference only
vital oriole
xtx nitro is perfectly fine
odd siren
The nitro is the nice card
odd siren
But I'm putting this xfx on water so cooler doesn't matter
That said, cooler is fine really
But not if I want to shunt it
oak rivet
Also 100w idle?
vital oriole
it's a high end pc
oak rivet
Love watching yt at 100w
odd siren
Also 100w idle?
Try 47
vital oriole
who cares about idle too much
odd siren
who cares about idle too much
Also this
vital oriole
as soon as you put a load on it all that matters none anyway
odd siren
Why would I care when I have a power happy rig anyway
vital oriole
they're all hungry gpus
open dragon
I don't idle often but I can be under 100W while gaming
oak rivet
0 rpm mode can't be sustained at 100w
vital oriole
you don't need 0 rpm to stay silent
oak rivet
The fans kick in around 50c
oak rivet
you don't need 0 rpm to stay silent
This is just coping with the unreasonable idle power
odd siren
The fans kick in around 50c
No
vital oriole
it's coping yes but it's not an issue lol
odd siren
And again, 47W idle
vital oriole
it's not serious in any way
odd siren
For like, the 5th time I've told you
vital oriole
it's already a high end hungry gpu
odd siren
It's in the 40's
vital oriole
what are you expecting anyway
oak rivet
did you try multi monitors at 4k?
oak rivet
coz this chart exists
open dragon
I'm at 70W now with 3 monitors and like 30 browser tabs with video
odd siren
See? They fixed it
You should try listening Safi instead of the small jabs like a child
open dragon
so unless power usage goes up when I idle
odd siren
Watch ltt 4070 ti review foxxy
vital oriole
relatively decent that is
odd siren
They redid the xtx tests
vital oriole
hm ok, i'll give it a look
odd siren
And it's now quite a bit better
Would I say outright over 4080? Not yet
If they did that perf uplift again I would
vital oriole
idle shouldn't be a concern when you're already running like 1000 watts worth of hardware anyway
odd siren
Yup
oak rivet
odd siren
Kitguru as well
I basically never reference that unless I'm grasping for straws since it tends to have skewed results
Xtx/xt btw is not a 355w card
It's 550w
vital oriole
transients go brr
oak rivet
and does it beat the 4090 at those power draws is the question
odd siren
It beats the 4080 at those
vital oriole
it obviously doesn't, but the value is there in the price
odd siren
oak rivet
It's better value then a 4080
odd siren
'ey
oak rivet
But that doesn't mean it's good value tho
odd siren
We finally came around on something
vital oriole
yeah, but it doesn't have to be as fast as 4090
odd siren
That's correct Safi
vital oriole
it's still $500 lower than 4090
odd siren
All new gen is bad value in this market
vital oriole
but ^
oak rivet
4090 is a different realm tbh at those power draws should beat 4090 but doesnt
vital oriole
i do kinda miss the day when 6950xt was 3090ti perf, but ah well
odd siren
Ada is clearly the more efficient architecture, won't disagree
oak rivet
i find the 7900xt being not very far from 4070ti in rt more impressive
vital oriole
ada kinda cheats since power is controlled by tensor
it has this advantage right out of the bat
4090 stock will never go over 500w
odd siren
I agree, rt perf on rdna 3 is shockingly good for being a gen behind
If we consider it'll get better
It's beating ampere
That remains to be seen tho
Rdna 3 drivers could fall flat tomorrow and we never get a new update
oak rivet
rt overdrive should bring the 4090 to its knees from what i am hearing about it
odd siren
Bit of a meme again tho
oak rivet
the ray count is significantly increased will be interesting to see how it translates to cpu usage aswell
odd siren
If we just can't run that perf then it's better just waiting until it's possible be it either amd or nvidia
odd siren
the ray count is significantly increased will be interesting to see how it trans...
Don't use it as your only reference tho
You'll find yourself getting a lot of pushback if you do
Not from just me but lots of others
oak rivet
ehh at 4k even the 4090 does not seem like that much of a beast to me
at 1440p it is indeed a monster
open dragon
i'll let you know how it feels at 3440x1440p tomorrowish
open dragon
yeah can't wait to unpack the 13900k next to me tomorrow too
odd siren
Go for it
open dragon
what kind of cooling do you have for it to get at 6.1 ghz
odd siren
Lapped die, 3x360 rads in push pull
oak rivet
4090 at 4k should be the way to go and if the the title is too heavy those usually have dlss
open dragon
lmao ok i will hope I can get lucky to 6 ghz then
ivory herald
4090 needs 5k, lol. 4090 rounds up to 5k also. 
odd siren
lmao ok i will hope I can get lucky to 6 ghz then
Just a heads up, keep your vcore voltage below 1.32V btw
oak rivet
Lapped die, 3x360 rads in push pull
you see this btw
odd siren
Just a heads up, keep your vcore voltage below 1.32V btw
It can do more but this is to avoid degradation
I've heard...horror stories
odd siren
you see this btw
I can't take that picture seriously, like at all. Know why?
oak rivet
the card actually looks soo nice sad it has issues plaguing it
odd siren
also he uses that stuff to test other gpus aswell?
Go ask that in the cultists and see what happens lmfao
limber flax
LOL
odd siren
That's not a cooler issue 
limber flax
that's definitely not a cooler issue
limber flax
sounds like a "I used a random pcie adapter that isn't up to snuff and died the moment it was stressed in any way"
vital oriole
basically like "lemme pair this gpu with a random psu and i hope it doesn't explode"
oak rivet
there was a hxi in the back
vital oriole
but anyway, the card itself is fine. issues are being rma'd
amd eventually caved in and helped us
oak rivet
they ran out of cards to rma
limber flax
?
vital oriole
rma is literally just replacing the heatsinks
limber flax
how does a company "run out of cards" when literally the issue was the heatsink
vital oriole
they don't give new cards
limber flax
what are you on lol
odd siren
They're only replacing MBA anyway?
vital oriole
since the issue isn't the card, it's the vapour chamber
limber flax
NVIDIA actually had to replace the gpu and possibly the PSU
oak rivet
limber flax
"allegedly"
odd siren
The biostar coolers
limber flax
you know what that means, right?
odd siren
Are the busted ones
vital oriole
not all xtx is bad
limber flax
also, this
odd siren
MBA or amd.com cards are defective because biostar touched them
Nothing more to be said there
limber flax
it's literally just biostar coolers on the gpu
vital oriole
biostar, more like biohazard
limber flax
lmao
odd siren
you see this btw
Wouldn't surprise me if that exploded vrm was just biostar at work tbh
vital oriole
just amd being cheap really
oak rivet
any sn to check what cards biostar touched?
odd siren
At least, that's the word on the grapevine rn
vital oriole
problem solved
odd siren
Yes any reference that's listed as an aib, is fine
Aib *not biostar
Nor straight amd
oak rivet
sapphire has models which looks to be the same soo they are fine?
limber flax
what about BMD
solid glacier
Gonna rma the card'
heady turtle
Why? Task manager isn't even accurate all the time
oak rivet
The gpu is being utilised?
solid glacier
i tried figuring out my FPS problems/smoothness i tried legit everything i was told and even more, gonna RMA the card if it doesnt help gonna RMA psu
that doesnt gonna help gonna legit take a hammer to it
livid idol
Task manager utilization is very far from actual utilization
That could be 100% of the lowest power profile
solid glacier
yea ik im not using that for ulization
limber flax
?
solid glacier
?
solid glacier
The gpu is being utilised?
mhm when it drops so does my performing rate
sonic mural
sounds like how a gpu is supposed to work
solid glacier
i tried figuring out my FPS problems/smoothness i tried legit everything i was told and even more, gonna RMA the card if it doesnt help gonna RMA psu
that doesnt gonna help gonna legit take a hammer to it
reinstalled drivers, windows, windows on a dif drive reseating ram gpu replugged in my cables etc
left to try is my rma my gpu
gonna try installing a dif version tommrow before rmaing my card
hasty sphinx
i tried figuring out my FPS problems/smoothness i tried legit everything i was t...
Sounds exactly like the issues I had with my 6950xt. Tried everything under the sun including RMA. Same issues with the new card.
Popped an nvidia card in and no issues.
fading glacier
😢
random walrus
gonna try installing a dif version tommrow before rmaing my card
Depending on your specs it could maybe be a cpu issue
Big fps drops and stutters while gpu util goes lower maybe means cpu is doing something weird idk
open dragon
is there more to uninstalling and reinstalling drivers than DDU? legit getting artifacts on desktop with a 7900xtx and games aren't even opening now
heady turtle
And if you are dduing, you should be in safe mode
open dragon
i was in safe mode
do I have to install GPU drivers in safe mode too or just uninstall old ones
solid glacier
Tried DDU
solid glacier
Sounds exactly like the issues I had with my 6950xt. Tried everything under the ...
Gonna RMA and see what what happened
heady turtle
do I have to install GPU drivers in safe mode too or just uninstall old ones
Just uninstalling old ones
solid glacier
Sounds exactly like the issues I had with my 6950xt. Tried everything under the ...
What nvidia GPU should@I get
heady turtle
What's your budget?
keen nacelle
What nvidia GPU should@I get
1030
hot folio
710
solid glacier
💀
4090 here i@come
Nah jk
Gonna get the 7900xt
I’m gonna check my@cpu paste today
To see if it’s dry
Doubt it is bc my temps are fine
keen nacelle
if cpu temps are fine, paste wouldn't cause issues
solid glacier
It gets 72C is that fine?
keen nacelle
yes
solid glacier
When I first put the paste on and turned my pc on it made a like crackling noise
keen nacelle
?
solid glacier
When I put the cpu@cooler on etc gamed a little bit it would make a like idk how to explain the noise
Crackling tbh
keen nacelle
are you sure it was coming from that?
solid glacier
Mhm, I don’t think it will be coming from anything else
But I haven’t heard that noise is a long time
keen nacelle
ig it's a non issue then, I've no clue what would cause that thoughj
solid glacier
Yea same
heady turtle
Gonna get the 7900xt
just keep in mind there have been a few refrence cards that have an issue with the vapour chamber but if that happens to you, amd are offering replacements
livid idol
Yea same
Liquid cooler? Probably just air bubbles if so, nothing to worry about as long as the radiator isn't below the CPU.
solid glacier
Liquid cooler? Probably just air bubbles if so, nothing to worry about as long a...
Nope not liquid cooler
Ram Cpu cooler
Fan*
livid idol
Weird
solid glacier
It only@made the noise for a few days when I put the paste on my cpu
Tempting to check it but my temps are fine
livid idol
It might have gotten unbalanced and started skipping on the heatsink but that's unlikely
solid glacier
Hm
livid idol
Maybe a wire got caught in it
solid glacier
I’m so like bummed out on my performance issues
keen nacelle
xmp enabled right?
solid glacier
They were good for a day and now it’s back to being bad lol gonna rma the card
Yea
keen nacelle
have you tried a different drive?
solid glacier
Wym different drive?
keen nacelle
ssd/hdd
solid glacier
Nah, like yea I tried games in my SSD and hdd still same problem
But I did a drive test and there wasn’t any errors
Maybe I do one last full reinstall@on windows etc
Iv done that before though didn’t fix
So has to be hardware
gonnna rma it def
How should i package the card though lol put it back in its plastic or
heady turtle
Original packing if you have it
livid idol
Double check their rma instructions when they send them to you, it'll say. Make sure whether they say for you to keep accessories or not if you want to keep anything else from the box.
solid glacier
by using the cmd, run as administrator, in the cmd window type
Winget upgrade --all
Press y for yes, reboot and run it again till all packages are up to date, someone told me to@do this?
also i dont got the plastic wrapping the card was in
livid idol
That "plastic wrapping" is an anti static bag but you should be ok without it
solid glacier
should i be fine without it
solid glacier
by using the cmd, run as administrator, in the cmd window type
Winget upgrade -...
also should i do this?
livid idol
I'm guessing that updates windows packages. No idea if it'll help but it won't hurt.
odd siren
just keep in mind there have been a few refrence cards that have an issue with t...
@solid glacier this is just for XTX reference, not XT as far as I'm aware
But should you buy an xtx instead and have terrible temperatures, yes, you can seek out AMD for a replacement
heady turtle
Ahh okay my b
reef heath
Question https://pcpartpicker.com/user/SlashLilian/saved/Yj6cxr is the psu enough or i need to update it to 1k watts? Cause its cutting it close
odd siren
Question https://pcpartpicker.com/user/SlashLilian/saved/Yj6cxr is the psu enoug...
4K gaming?
reef heath
4K gaming?
3k gaming 3440x1440, i have two of it and one 2k monitor
odd siren
Multimonitor gaming?
What the heck is 3k
Are you going to be using one monitor for the games or all 3 lol
reef heath
Multimonitor gaming?
not really haha, one for gaming,other youtube and the 2k for discord.
keen nacelle
Question https://pcpartpicker.com/user/SlashLilian/saved/Yj6cxr is the psu enoug...
considering the rest of this build
why can't you spend the extra $50 for a 1000w psu
odd siren
@heady turtle
reef heath
What the heck is 3k
i call the 21;9 res 3440x1440 a 3k since its not 4k. In between 2k and 4k haha
odd siren
5900X bottlenecks a 4090 somewhat at 4K
So you're gonna be bottlenecked in a number of games
I'd go 4080 max
Or better yet XTX
odd siren
Yes but I wouldn't pay for a 4090 to not fully use it
XTX would be better
Even then, cutting it fine
reef heath
hmmm
keen nacelle
well, how much of that build do you already own?
odd siren
I'm guessing all but the gpu lol
keen nacelle
imo the only worthwhile upgrade is the 4090
reef heath
i have been considering that too xtx but its having also problems
odd siren
Yes but the 4090 will be kneecapped so not really worth it
keen nacelle
I wouldn't say kneecapped... it's not that huge of a bottleneck
in some scenarios sure
reef heath
im just waiting for the 4090 to arrive, if i consider keeping it or returning it.
odd siren
I wouldn't say kneecapped... it's not that huge of a bottleneck
At that reso it is
We've seen it in this discord
@reef heath could you do 5800x3d?
reef heath
dam, i didnt know that the 5900x was going to be a bottleneck for the 4090
i could but is that downgrading?
odd siren
Not for games it isn't
reef heath
i do know its good, since i see the perfromance difference in starcitizen by my friends
keen nacelle
could also oc the 5900x, no?
odd siren
OC doesn't really fix it
reef heath
could also oc the 5900x, no?
I did try that but mostly ended up crashing or failing to boot up
odd siren
Need a very good ram tune and even then it's not really enough
reef heath
cause if i am considering upgrading my cpu, might as well just sell the pc and build a new one
oak rivet
Think the 5900x is powerful enough to have a 1% lows above 60 in pretty much every game even when cpu bound
odd siren
You think that but funny amd goofy stability
1% lows go everywhere on ryzen
Ram tuning fixes that
odd siren
PSU is fine tbh
oak rivet
I was checking the 10900k out that thing seems to have 1% lows above 60 all the time
odd siren
You won't get to that 850W limit
I don't have time for this Safi
10th gen is a bad pairing too
keen nacelle
10100+4090 when
odd siren
You wanna use 2 year old cpus? Play 8k
reef heath
You wanna use 2 year old cpus? Play 8k
instant stutter
oak rivet
Best cpus or bust
odd siren
4090 doesn't show full potential without a current gen high end
oak rivet
It's funny 9900k and 3090 was soo popular
odd siren
The other gpus don't follow this as strictly
9900K is basically 10900K with 2 more cores
It's not the core count
It's the ipc
oak rivet
Soo basically you are saying 13600k or 7600x would be the minimum
odd siren
Just about actually
If not x3d
13600K/12700K is about right
Even then 12th gen can still bottleneck 4k
We've seen this here as well
12600K not brrr enough lol
reef heath
well thank you @odd siren for the infos, time to go back to youtube and learn more about this 4000s charade
oak rivet
Frame gen will actually help even when cpu bound 
oak rivet
In history we seen cpus keep up well but gpus fall off because games got incredibly heavy on the gpu side this year will be interesting to see how that pans out
oak rivet
Well yeah 4090 is truly a beast
Hence why people say amd has to use a 4090 to test their cpus instead of a 7900xtx
solemn panther
ok
odd siren
Danke
oak rivet
2080ti seems to have more sand then a 4090
odd siren
Mhm, bigger die indeed
fading glacier
heady turtle
4080 NOCTUA IS 5 SLOTS
oak rivet
4080 NOCTUA IS 5 SLOTS <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Is it announced
I see no official pics of it yet
heady turtle
heady turtle
Yes
oak rivet
Probably would cost more then 4090s
fading glacier
and its pretty ridiculous anyway
i can understand on the 3080, but in the 4080 is a waste
spare ember
the cheapest 3080’s i can find are on ebay🗿 is that a bad place to look?
fading glacier
https://youtu.be/uipnXM-uuGE
yeah, but on 1080p you can get even more fps and higher refresh monitors
1080p is the king of competitive
spare ember
what do u guys think about the price
fading glacier
every fps competitive player plays on 1080p
fading glacier
what do u guys think about the price
bad price if you are in the us
especially on a 10gb model\
you should look for something 600 and below
spare ember
🫡
fading glacier
650 is the most i should pay for one, and thats expensive for my tastes
spare ember
on a used one right?
fading glacier
yup
brazen oyster
Hi guys i need some help here, i think my GPU dont fit because the cooler is a little big 😅
If i put the GPU on the vertical mount can it fit well?
oak rivet
In the pic it seems to be fitting fine
odd siren
Uh no
That pcb is flexing down hard
I've never used a d15 @brazen oyster but can you move the second fan further up?
brazen oyster
Let me sii i think i can move it a little bit more
brazen oyster
In the pic it seems to be fitting fine
Do you think? Let me see
oak rivet
It's a tight fit could try clipping the fans a tiny bit upwards
brazen oyster
Ok let me try
odd siren
That needs a good 2 or 3mm more at least on the mobo side to properly fit that card
brazen oyster
It doesn't fit I have to apply a lot of force and I wouldn't want to break it hahaha
odd siren
Hopefully the fans provide it, D15 has always been snug against gpus
brazen oyster
That cooler is huge
odd siren
It doesn't fit I have to apply a lot of force and I wouldn't want to break it ha...
Yeah exactly, it's already kinda scary angle
brazen oyster
Yes
Any smaller cooler then? What you recommed? If is black better!
I want a black build
brazen oyster
Let me see
brazen oyster
R5 5600
odd siren
Oh what
brazen oyster
And the gpu is a 6650xt
odd siren
Noooo you don't need that much cooling man
It works with the cooler in the box it came with just fine haha
keen nacelle
214xt would do the job
brazen oyster
Yes man i do a mistake with that i fell in love with that and man....
keen nacelle
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jr2WGX/id-cooling-se-224-xts-black-70-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xts-black if you want it to match the black theme
oak rivet
The size of the d15 can mesmerize people
brazen oyster
The size of the d15 can mesmerize people
I see lmao hahaha
brazen oyster
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jr2WGX/id-cooling-se-224-xts-black-70-cfm-cpu-c...
This one fit perfectly then?
keen nacelle
easily
brazen oyster
easily
Question, my fans are Be Quiet! This brand has something like that smaller to match with the fans?
A small air cooler from be quiet
Like this one? @keen nacelle
keen nacelle
224xt is better
and you dont need to match thme
there's no benefit to matching them
brazen oyster
Ok
I'll go for the 224xt
I buy the Noctua from newegg but is not sold from newegg i can ask for a refund?
solid glacier
DO I BUY
brazen oyster
@keen nacelle thanks a lot for the help my friend! I was able to make the return of the NDH15 and I bought the 224xts 🙏
When i finished the build i show you the pics 🫡
mild talon
do you need to install drivers first before you install the gpu?
livid idol
No
But if you're upgrading from something else you might want to run ddu just in case
livid idol
Is the monitor plugged into the GPU, and not the motherboard?
mild talon
yes
livid idol
Is the power securely connected for the GPU?
livid idol
One of the exceptions then
ivory herald
Using hdmi or DP?
mild talon
ok
odd siren
for context for those wondering what XTX looks like when it's working well:
28C Ambient 540W peak
60% fan
heady turtle
540w shee
vernal pebble
Asus rog 3090 white edition back in stock?
heady turtle
Ok?
fading glacier
28C Ambient 540W peak
custom xoc bios? i thought the max pl on that card was 397w
odd siren
Nyope
The adrenaline reported is 400 but the actual total draw is higher
Also transients
solemn panther
oak rivet
i wonder for how much longer the 4070ti will be a 1440p ultra gpu
i might finally experience 1440p
heady turtle
That's like saying will 3090 always be a great 1440p card like duh
fading glacier
thought the same when i read "1440p ultra gpu" 👀
but at least safi will fulfill his dream of owning a 40 series gpu
oak rivet
<@1029306874887155783> so what you getting
Probably 4070ti by end of this year
But 40 series for sure
oak rivet
heady turtle
By end of this year??why even bother looking now
fading glacier
you could get a 4060ti at the end of the year or just wait for the 50 series anyway
heady turtle
Remember gpu gens are bi yearly
So they'd basically be waiting 2 years for 50 series
fading glacier
well, more like 18 months cycle
if he wait till december+the months already, that could be 14 months
so 50 series prolly by april-may 2024
oak rivet
Not dropping below 4070ti probably
Then you are below 3090ti perf territory which I don't want
fading glacier
save for the monitor as well
odd siren
you could get a 4060ti at the end of the year or just wait for the 50 series any...
Get XTX REEEEEE
At this rate ima almost pay for it myself 
fading glacier
heady turtle
well, more like 18 months cycle
Only if you count it as like 3060 -> 4080 for example instead of 3080 -> 4080
fading glacier
the longest cycle was the one for ampere, because the chip shortage and covid
but usually is 18 months
hmmmm
980 to 1080 was 20 months, while 1080 to 2080 was 28 months ... and 24 months form 2080 to 3080
seems like all my data was wrong after all
and 26 months from 3080 to 4080 :V
orchid loom
you could get a 4060ti at the end of the year or just wait for the 50 series any...
Yea but roumers are 4060ti gunna be 128 bit bus
odd siren
2 years
timid vine
odd siren
Nice msi
odd siren
livid idol
Uh oh. Roll back your drivers people, they might have disabled thermal protections accidentally. https://twitter.com/Buildzoid1/status/1612868725128019968
Twitter
keen nacelle
Uh oh. Roll back your drivers people, they might have disabled thermal protectio...
That's just impressive honestly
In a bad way
vital oriole
uh oh
livid idol
Krisfix in Germany broke the story, 48 cards came to his shop with the same problem. Dead or even cracked core, and the only common factor was the driver version being used was the latest from December.
vital oriole
Ouch
AMD done goofed again
This is why I don't early adopt radeon
Sometimes issues can appear, and it's gpu breaking ones
livid idol
I wouldn't consider it early adopting a 6000 series by now lol
But yeah I personally never buy the first gen after a major refresh in either tech or cars
hasty monolith
Uh oh. Roll back your drivers people, they might have disabled thermal protectio...
I have the dec amd drivers installed is there any issue or do i need to roll back drivers on my 6800xt
I have been playing for the last week mass effect legendary edition modded at 4k no issue. Gpu temps no issue. I have xfx speedster merc319 6800xt
hasty monolith
So install the may driver and the sytem should roll back driver to previous version right. Even if the dec update optimize gpu for witcher 3 next gen on pc it just wont be as good on may update right
wicked hound
Krisfix in Germany broke the story, 48 cards came to his shop with the same prob...
The fact those users aren't getting warranty for AMDs screw up is highly concerning
odd siren
So install the may driver and the sytem should roll back driver to previous vers...
It's more of a just-in-case measure. You definitely don't want anything to happen to the card, it's not certain if it's the driver yet, just a consistency in each story
Better safe than sorry
wicked hound
Even if out of warranty, AMD should replace cards they killed via drivers.
hasty monolith
My card has a 3 year warranty
livid idol
Still a pain to claim that warranty
wicked hound
Guess it's time to always keep temp protection via HWiNFO. Never thought I'd have to recommend that for non-XOC vBIOS users.
hasty monolith
All i need to do is to install previous driver to roll back the driver right?
keen nacelle
Don't you dare run your 3050 on anything less than a 1000w Plat unit
wicked hound
It must be a seasonic
Seasonic 3050 only
hasty monolith
Im also playing witcher 3 next gen rn it will run but it wont be as optimized with previous driver right cause dec driver had support for the game
odd siren
Im also playing witcher 3 next gen rn it will run but it wont be as optimized wi...
Advice is optional my friend
Personally I would be better safe than sorry
Esp. if they aren't honoring warranties
hasty monolith
I will probably roll it back. Then after i come home from work
livid idol
Im also playing witcher 3 next gen rn it will run but it wont be as optimized wi...
All the next gen update does it convert the game to dx12 and add ray tracing and mods. It'll run on an older driver.
wicked hound
I'd goto GN/LTT for warranties at this point, if they still are being big dump. Having internal contacts is nice for warranties.
livid idol
They'll probably have a new driver soon anyway, current one is over a month old
hasty monolith
Only got amd since gpu was cheaper than nividia and i just built my first pc
I really dont want yo do this every month if there are issues with every driver. Im new to pc gaming
oak rivet
odd siren
I wouldn't use furmark for undervolting
harsh compass
Im just testing it.. im using msi afterburner
last barn
solid glacier
RMA my gpu, rip without a pc for quite the time
I csnt go on it right since it has no gpu?
fading glacier
livid idol
I csnt go on it right since it has no gpu?
What CPU do you have? Some have integrated graphics
fading glacier
things like these make recommending amd gpus difficult
solid glacier
What CPU do you have? Some have integrated graphics
I7-12700lf lol doesn’t have integrated graphics
solid glacier
Won’t that mess things up?
I’m thinking about getting a good gpu and return it before 30 days when my regular one comes back lol
livid idol
I've got a HD 5770 I keep for the same purpose
You'll take a hit on restock fees if the return is even accepted
solid glacier
Oh true
What’s a cheap gpu I should get
If I get one though my windews is gonna pop up and say hardware changed and then I’m gonna have to get another key lol
livid idol
Nah that's only for the motherboard
Your license is tied to the motherboard serial number
Side note, some people are just delusional https://www.ebay.com/itm/295464223325
fading glacier
50 is the most i could pay for one
solid glacier
Bro what is that
solid glacier
Your license is tied to the motherboard serial number
Well that happened with my new ram set I had to get new ram same set btw and I still had to get a new windows key, wait my mobo comes with a windows key? I didn’t know that bc I had to buy one lol
livid idol
It doesn't come with a key, but once it's activated it's permanently activated unless you change to another motherboard
livid idol
Bro what is that
It's a cheap GPU meant for workstations. It has displayport.
Don't try gaming on it lol
lone pond
300 or less i forgot
vital oriole
so far it seems to be fine
hasty monolith
Im switched to previous driver for my 6800xt just to be safe
fading glacier
good boi
hasty monolith
Woof
keen nacelle
Would it not have made sense for nvidia to keep 30 series in production and reduced the price, and then sold it alongside 40 series?
Purely bc of how high 40 series pricing is
hasty monolith
Purely bc of how high 40 series pricing is
Close to 1500 to 2k usd for 4090?
fading glacier
Would it not have made sense for nvidia to keep 30 series in production and redu...
why would they? amd is helping them with the marketing of the 40 series
to think amd mocked the 12hvpwr connector and then karma came back to them on the vapor chamber of their reference cards
sonic mural
why would they? amd is helping them with the marketing of the 40 series
Not really when they had a 6950xt OCF for $650 USD
Yesterday lol
fading glacier
but thanks to the internet, everyone is blaming the drivers to burn cards
its a clickbait fiesta everywhere
funny thing, the original article didnt point the drivers as the issue... just the common thing between all the cases... but internet, you know... they need views
that will drive people to flock to nvidia outrageous prices just to avoid amd issues here and there 😦
sonic mural
And then some will still be scared of melted connectors (even though that issue was completely overblown)
fading glacier
yes if you think of 40 series, but the majority will flock to 30 series vs 6000 series, more expensive yes, but peace of mind vs the amd drivers killing gpus (i know that's not true, but internet is making sure to spread the word)
man i hate so many clickbaits on those so called techtubers lately. they just regurgitate news from other sites, spreading misinformation along the way
sonic mural
I doubt people will buy a ton of new 30 series with how bad the pricing is at high and low end
When you have 6600/xt/50xt holding low end hard, and 6950xt holding high end for somewhat cheap, there just aren't many people who will spend the extra imo
unique quarry
Starting to see some issues in games with my 2070 non super, I game a 1440p high setting was thinking of upgrading to 4080 but not sure if its worth price at this time or should i find a used 3090ti
keen nacelle
Starting to see some issues in games with my 2070 non super, I game a 1440p high...
I would look for a used 6800xt,6900xt,3080 10gb/12gb/ti or 3090/ti
6950xt too
hot bough
Starting to see some issues in games with my 2070 non super, I game a 1440p high...
There are two 4080 at MSRP right now on Amazon.com if you're still interested.
unique quarry
nice will check
oak rivet
In Steve's 12 game average the 7700x went from 218 to 240 when he swapped to the 4090
While the 5950x did not go up with 4090
hmmm food for thought
fading glacier
old news, we all and their grandmas know that the 4090 is extremely bottlenecked on anything but rpl and am5
same thing for the 4080
oak rivet
old news, we all and their grandmas know that the 4090 is extremely bottlenecked...
well yeah which was probably the reason why zen4 looked very weak during launch
they look much more healthy now
orchid loom
just wonder is stockX legit?
livid idol
just wonder is stockX legit?
Yes but you could be waiting months for whatever you order. They do presales, which are worse than preorders because they take your money and you cross your fingers it ships instead of them taking the money when it's in stock.
Some people reported waiting 9 months for a GPU during the shortage that was already paid for. And others reported issues getting refunds but that's less common.
livid idol
Too bad they don't say how long it took
livid idol
Ok, and I can say that Newegg is the best company that ever existed with absolutely no flaws whatsoever. Doesn't make it true. People get wires crossed, miscommunications happen.
fringe scroll
lone pond
Is 500 standard for a 3080 ti used on ebay? It's a really good price compared to the msrp but I'm always sceptical
livid idol
Sounds a little low but not suspiciously low
I've seen 3070s for under $300
3080s a little over $400
lone pond
Yeah, some have only been used for around 200 hours as well, fyi it's £500, so around $611
I was contemplating a 4070 ti, but I honestly can't justify that when prices are this low lmao
livid idol
Ah that does make a difference, I know the used market is a little worse outside US
lone pond
I'd say it's pretty good in the UK, for what it's worth
Forgot to ask if it's okay to post links-
There was an Aorus 3080 ti for £520, even showed the proof of purchase
Those with the previous high end cards seem to be upgrading lmao
livid idol
Links are restricted until you get to level 3 but I can see it still
lone pond
Should I dm it if you'd like to see?
livid idol
Nah I clicked it before the bot got it
lone pond
Nah, I just deleted it once I realised how massive the link was lmao
livid idol
Oh
Well I still got it
That's an auction btw so final price has yet to be determined
lone pond
Yeah, but most of them seem to be settling at that price
livid idol
But the seller seems ok to me. It's been a little while since they sold something but that's more a yellow flag than a red one.
lone pond
There was a seller with 1.7k sells and a 100% positive rating lmao
How the hell do you sell that much stuff-
livid idol
Lots of ways
Often small items that get sold a lot
I have about 800 last I checked, I do refurbished consoles and other random stuff
lone pond
Oh damn- Do you have any red flags I should look out for when buying a GPU off ebay? I know they have buyer protection, but I'd rather not deal with the hassle of that lol
livid idol
Sellers with very few sales should be avoided in general for high price items
Descriptions that are inconsistent with the item sold is another huge red flag
A good thing to look for when you click their profile is recent sales (just in case it's an old account that got hacked, rare) and sales of similar items in the past
lone pond
Ah, gotcha! The guy I was talking about sells mostly electronics as well, so I reckon it'll be just fine
Just wish I had cash 
lone pond
This entire scour for cheap gpu's has given me a new deep rooted hate for jensen lmao
Oop-
My message just got deleted
livid idol
Yep, watch the language pls
livid idol
Normally the bot catches that but sometimes they slip through
lone pond
If I do manage to snag a 3080 ti, that'll do me for ages though
livid idol
Oh absolutely. 1440p ultra in everything.
lone pond
That and it's cheaper than the 4070 ti, which is just slightly faster lmao
livid idol
My PC is in my bio
lone pond
That price made me gag, this just gets more and more expensive
livid idol
No kidding
Nvidia saw we were willing to pay $2500 for a GPU and decided to charge more lol
livid idol
I usually do too, it just makes more sense
But I had to buy a new GPU mid shortage...
livid idol
At least I didn't pay any markup, I stood in line at best buy overnight and got a FE
livid idol
Yeah, it was the last time that BB did the in store drops in my area too. I had a lot of fun there actually, a bunch of us brought our Switches and we played Mario Kart
Then we collectively boo'd and kicked out the scalpers when they showed up with 2 minivans full of people that didn't wait overnight
livid idol
Cops were called, it almost got to fist fights yeah
They ended up leaving when the cops rolled up
lone pond
Cowards
It seems like scalpers have died down slightly though, since most of them can't even afford the new lineup
livid idol
It's not that so much as people aren't paying the markups now
Especially since Nvidia already marked them up
fading glacier
It seems like scalpers have died down slightly though, since most of them can't ...
try to get a 4090
scalpers are all hot
lone pond
try to get a 4090
Why would I ever want to get a 4090 lol
fading glacier
just not buying 4080s and 4070tis
livid idol
Yeah 4090 is still impossible but 4080? They can't get rid of them lol
lone pond
No wonder lmao
fading glacier
Why would I ever want to get a 4090 lol
was an example about the scalpers... they are alive and well... not dying down as you thought
just not buying anything but 4090s
lone pond
was an example about the scalpers... they are alive and well... not dying down a...
I meant compared to the last gen, you'd get lucky to find anything in the lineup that wasn't snatched by a scalper
fading glacier
well last gen was plagued with chip shortage and miners
lone pond
True
fading glacier
this one isnt
livid idol
They tried to scalp the 4080 too but no one bought them. So they tried to return them and some were denied because returning 30 GPUs is kinda obvious.
livid idol
Last gen was a perfect storm, everything that could go wrong went wrong
lone pond
Isn't that murphy's law?
livid idol
Indeed
Covid hit, increased demand for GPUs for at home workers. Mining boomed, increased demand for GPUs. Covid damaged supply lines, less GPUs.
fading glacier
rough times
lone pond
In summary; Hell
fading glacier
you learned to love your gpu back then
was pure gold
if somehow your gpu failed... doomed
lone pond
Have fun with your old 1060 you left in the loft
livid idol
DLSS and FSR wouldn't be as far along as they are if it weren't for the shortages making people use their old GPUs so... silver lining?
fading glacier
word
oak rivet
well dlss was also released to make ray tracing more viable
lone pond
I don't see rt as a selling point though
fading glacier
dlss is older than the chip shortage
lone pond
It's a nice thing to have, but it's not something that should sway you to either side since it's still sorta new
livid idol
I don't see rt as a selling point though
It's still in it's infancy, it has potential to change everything graphically
lone pond
It's still in it's infancy, it has potential to change everything graphically
Yeah, I meant at the current moment; it shouldn't be
livid idol
But that's just it, potential
fading glacier
sadly more and more games are adopting rt, so......
oak rivet
its not sadly
fading glacier
eventually it will become a selling point
oak rivet
gladly
lone pond
Time will tell
fading glacier
sadly cause it forces people to upgrade
thats not a "gladly"
not everyone is made of gold like you safie
oak rivet
need more games like cp2077 where it changes the whole look
fading glacier
rt must be optional, not a must
livid idol
It's not forcing anything, you can leave it off and everything is as it was before
lone pond
need more games like cp2077 where it changes the whole look
And is optimised properly
fading glacier
but more and more games ar emaking it a must
odd siren
Xbox series S our hero of the next 3 years, making devs mad at minimum spec for 2 years running
fading glacier
It's not *forcing* anything, you can leave it off and everything is as it was be...
this is my point, but more and more games are adopting rt as the norm
lone pond
Wdym?
fading glacier
cause no rt, worse graphics overall
livid idol
but more and more games ar emaking it a must
The only game I'm aware of that forces RT is Metro Redux
odd siren
The only game I'm aware of that forces RT is Metro Redux
F1 22 iirc
fading glacier
you cant play redux non rt
oak rivet
F1 22 iirc
f1 22 only does at the ultra preset iirc
fading glacier
but still optional
livid idol
F1 22 iirc
Is it forced on though? I thought it was just enabled by default
oak rivet
also the rt is soo light in that game
lone pond
Graphics are amazing as they are already, I personally see no real reason to go past what we're already at, but instead refining it
fading glacier
thats called stagnation my friend clementine
odd siren
also the rt is soo light in that game
When you think about it all games are light on RT
Real RT when
lone pond
They'll reach stagnation sooner or later
fading glacier
not on our lifeitme
oak rivet
global illumination was nice in witcher 3 but needs to get rid of the micro stutters
lone pond
not on our lifeitme
We've made amazing progress already in graphics in the past 10 years, I'd definitely think in our lifetime, we'd have games that look like real life
fading glacier
When you think about it all games are light on RT
tell that to spiderman
lone pond
Depends how old you are I suppose lol
fading glacier
We've made amazing progress already in graphics in the past 10 years, I'd defini...
i mean, stagnation will not happen on our lifetime
oak rivet
spider man is really heavy on the cpu aswell hard to get gpu bound
livid idol
global illumination was nice in witcher 3 but needs to get rid of the micro stut...
I didn't have any micro stutters, just crashes from running out of memory since Windows is trash at mem management
fading glacier
turn rt on on spiedrman and the buildings will be another thing completely
oak rivet
specially when you turn the bvh to 10
lone pond
i mean, stagnation will not happen on our lifetime
But it might get to a point where the differences are so minor that they will no longer make a difference, it'll just keep on getting more and more like real life lol
livid idol
We're getting closer and closer to true projected 3D games in a wearable form factor
fading glacier
the push is to get real life graphics on higher resolutions
that will take a while
a long while
we are at the point where 1080p is slowly fading away
livid idol
Photorealism is coming fast, last estimate I saw was 5 years
lone pond
in 20 years we're gonna have 12k displays with a 500hz nano second response times lol