graphics-cards

[velvet grail]

Oooh
Lol

[vital oriole]

NT 6.2 is windows

[velvet grail]

Now i understand

Xd

[vital oriole]

I forgot which, but it's definitely modern windows

[velvet grail]

It's just heaven benchmark being silly

[vital oriole]

Ever since win 2000 got out every windows version ever are based on NT

[velvet grail]

Also 4gb 1080

[vital oriole]

NT is the kernel of windows lel

[hasty monolith]

didnt know that

[heady turtle]

Btw that's a pretty bad benchmark I'd use 3dmark timespy for keeping score

[velvet grail]

Did that too, got 7600 points

[heady turtle]

Graphics score i assume

[velvet grail]

I used heaven just to test stability for the oc

[velvet grail]

Yeah

[heady turtle]

Yeah it's not a good stability test

[velvet grail]

I've tried fur mark too

But no crash till now

[vital oriole]

You just run games you play regularly

And oc until it crashes or artifacts

[velvet grail]

The problem is I don't have any lol

It's the new build and haven't used it much (2nd build)

Should start downloading some stuff

[heady turtle]

That's a good start but it's a power/temp stress test, best thing to do is games you play, warzone 2 and overwatch are also pretty sensitive to unstable oc btw

[hasty monolith]

my 3dmarks score suck mostly on the graphics side until i get my 6800xt in a few days. have a 560 2gb atm. currently at 1600 overall though my cpu score is 8400 or around that

[velvet grail]

Yep, warzone gonna take a while to download

[velvet grail]

Well I don't expect too much from the 560

[heady turtle]

Overall score on 3dmark is pretty pointless best to look at the cpu and gpu scores seperately

[hasty monolith]

so anything above 80 % is great right

[heady turtle]

80% what?

[velvet grail]

You mean 80% above average score?

[vital oriole]

Huh?

What above average, system overall?

[hasty monolith]

i mean when 3dmarks say better than 80 %

[velvet grail]

80% better than other users?

[hasty monolith]

yeah

sorry i wasnt making any sense

[velvet grail]

Oh
I guess it doesn really matter for the 560

[vital oriole]

Eh

[velvet grail]

Unless you want to get top 1 overclock

[vital oriole]

That's just saying you have better pc than 80% of the people who has run 3dmark

[hasty monolith]

i meant when i get my 6800xt on wednesday

[vital oriole]

It's meaningless

It's like you having a better pc than them

Doesn't change the meaning lel

[hasty monolith]

oh thanks

[velvet grail]

Well with my 2nd build it says 38% better than all users

But I don't care

[heady turtle]

Depends how you sort, if it's overall it basically means nothing just that you a higher thread cpu than most other 6800xt users, if you sort by gpu score it's a decent indication on how you compare but need to keep in mind the top end are probably doing liquid cooling or liquid nitrogen, and the bottom few probably have it stock etc

[hasty monolith]

thanks. im gonna have it stock. with a reverse fan below it

[heady turtle]

You really don't need a fan below it tbh

[hasty monolith]

it came with the case. why not use it

[heady turtle]

Fair enough

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/UL7KIVI_hJg

just realized he still has that nixcus monitor from back then

[livid idol]

I can answer from experience yes they can affect the GPU. I got an extra 100 points on time spy changing nothing but the cable from a long adapted cable to a shorter straight through cable.

It's not significantly affected but it does matter to overclockers looking for every iota of performance.

[lone pond]

i found a rtx 4080 for 890$

do i get it?

[fading glacier]

smells like a scam

[odd siren]

Anything dead average or better is great, even slightly under

[graceful flicker]

seems fake, I've seen 4080s near me selling for way over 4090 msrp so I wouldnt trust that

[fading glacier]

bois

1060 6gb or 580 4gb? both at 60 usd

[livid idol]

Moar vram

1060 6gb

[fading glacier]

what about the price?

i thought the same, but good to know you guys agreed to it as well 😄

is for a friend, mined on both

[livid idol]

Gaming X too nice

[fading glacier]

luckily the seller is a friend of him, it will sell him the card with new paste and clean, not sure if those cards have thermal pads tho, but a repaste is good enough 🙂

it will go to a 12400 rig

will be a solid rig for 1080p 🙂

[livid idol]

Thermal pads are not super necessary on those GDDR5 cards

[orchid loom]

@livid idol i'm in a delema so are we allowed to bend cable or not reason i ask is bc i dont think 4080 gunna fit in 011\

Case I have rn

As you see the cable sticks out

[livid idol]

Yes*

[orchid loom]

011 case

I also see this person just bending the cable

[livid idol]

If it's just the cable bending it's fine but don't let the port bend and make sure it's firmly secure, triple checked and pulled on

[orchid loom]

Well I sent this pic people said it looks fine

[livid idol]

Yep looks good, at least as far as we can tell visibly

Give it a wiggle and a tug to be double sure

[orchid loom]

Okay

It seems secure

What is this

Is there any 90 degree adapters I can get to have the wires run under or above the gpu

[livid idol]

Not yet, cablemod should have them ready by the end of january for third party testing and full production in february

[orchid loom]

Oh okay

[oak rivet]

What some drivers did for amd

[livid idol]

As expected, that was one of the outlier games where the result was so weird it couldn't be hardware

Especially as an AMD sponsored game

[odd siren]

Rdna fine wine 🍷

[oak rivet]

Same day fine wine

[odd siren]

It's aging so well at 110C

[oak rivet]

That only seems to be the ref card for now

The aorus elite hwub used was under 60c at 350 to 400w usage

[odd siren]

I know

Reference like that tho is fatal

My xfx has no problems either

[vital oriole]

amd reference has always been just sad

with an exception of 6000 series

[odd siren]

Thankfully it's not all of them

My god if they came out with it and said "110C is expected" like they did with Zen 4 and 95C I would've walked

[vital oriole]

but if you're unlucky

[odd siren]

[vital oriole]

you're done lmao

amd won't accept rma

[odd siren]

They will now

[vital oriole]

cope with it, said amd

[livid idol]

Only cards that are using the reference cooler design

[odd siren]

Again, I know

[vital oriole]

ah, well that's better

[odd siren]

The vapour chamber at certain orientations

Varies with samples

[vital oriole]

at least they're accepting rma now

at first they tried to make 110c normal

lmao

[odd siren]

That also implies a high margin of error btw for those vapour chambers

[oak rivet]

Vertical mount seems to be a better situation

[vital oriole]

ye

[odd siren]

Not always

[vital oriole]

but that's just coping with a trash design

[odd siren]

Sometimes it's far worse

[vital oriole]

tbh ref 7900xtx should be avoided at all costs

due to the potential of vapour chamber being bad

[livid idol]

Liquid cool it and it won't matter

[odd siren]

For now*

[odd siren]

Still $200 left in the tank under a 4080 for a waterblock

[livid idol]

And that's ignoring the fact that 4080 at $1200 doesn't exist

[odd siren]

If anyone wants to send me an XTX to try fix dm me kekw

I def won't run it in crossfire first uwu

[oak rivet]

Well tbh the ref only seems to make sense price wise

The aib models too close to a 4080

[odd siren]

Eh, I mean, considering driver improvements will happen

1100 on XTX will start to make sense eventually I think

[oak rivet]

Well fine wine it to a 4090

[odd siren]

We were hoping but we both know that won't happen

Paper specs certainly gave the hope for it

[vital oriole]

it won't reach a 4090

the hardware simply couldn't

if it could it would've done so already

[livid idol]

Give it more juice and it'll easily beat a 4080. Too bad the tables are locked and that means hard modding.

[vital oriole]

hard modding, oof that's some involving process

[odd siren]

I mean

Shunting isn't crazy hard

That's all it really needs

Then they can improve the drivers to fix the constant spikes and it'll be a lot better

[near bridge]

What would be a good price for a 3070? I’m assuming around 400-600$

Used*

[vital oriole]

Nope

Good used price for 3070 is 300-400

If you're seeing one for 600 that's a scalper

[near bridge]

Dam lol

Where I’m from that’s 3060 territory

[ivory herald]

We presume USD/usa, just fyi.

[near bridge]

Mhm I’m from US

[ivory herald]

Lately even a 3080 on Ebay is only $550-600 often enough. R/hws can be good also. Takes some patience either way. (Edit: FBM/craigslist doesn't hurt to check also, but local markets are wild).

[near bridge]

Good to know, gonna make a mini itx build so I’m looking

[oak rivet]

Probably could be a strix or Aorus model aswell

Those still touch basic 3080 prices

[vital oriole]

and they're terrible deals nonetheless

[fading glacier]

finally got a 4080?

[livid idol]

Yes
And still having memory issues

[vital oriole]

lmao

[hasty monolith]

which gpus need to be liquid cooled from 3090/6900xt and up?

[fading glacier]

None

All of them can be air cooled

[hasty monolith]

why do i see some people have liquid cooled gpus

[fading glacier]

Water cool is a plus to get lower temps, but not a must

[oak rivet]

Okay with paying extra

It's not a necessity

[hasty monolith]

@fading glacier im getting a 6800xt tomorrow planning playing games at 4k. so its fine with air cooled

[fading glacier]

Yes

[oak rivet]

What air cool model

[fading glacier]

They are engineered to work on air

[hasty monolith]

stock from gpu

[fading glacier]

You can always water block them if you want

But the stock air cooling is fine

[hasty monolith]

im new to pc gaming so i dont want to mess around with liquid cool stuff maybe in next build in like 5-7 years from now

thx

[oak rivet]

?

Reference card?

[fading glacier]

I can feel your excitement/fear pal but chill 😀 it will be fine as l9ng as you build it slowly and recheck everything

[hasty monolith]

i have a xfx merc319 core 6800xt coming tomorrow

[fading glacier]

Building your first pc is a lot of fun

[oak rivet]

Yeah that is nice

[hasty monolith]

also do i need a gpu holder since its a long 330/340mm?

[oak rivet]

My pal has a tuf 6800xt which is freaking cool

Even under 400w load

[fading glacier]

Nah, nothing some lego blocks cant solve

[oak rivet]

Sometimes the gpu comes with one

[hasty monolith]

got a 850 gf1 thermaltake sale for 80usd during bf

[fading glacier]

👌

[hasty monolith]

thx a lot need to head 2 work rn

[orchid loom]

No that's my ddr4 the ddr5 didn't come yet fal

I can't read

I just wake up

[heady turtle]

None need it

[heady turtle]

Yeah they can be handy

They're pretty cheap anyway but yeah like it was said lego would do too

Anyway 4070 ti announcement is in 2.5 hrs

[fading glacier]

[keen nacelle]

Maybe they'll release a gpu with 2080 super tier performance with the low msrp of $400

[heady turtle]

Same as the 3060 ti

[keen nacelle]

Exactly lol

[heady turtle]

4060 at 400$ innovation

With 3060 ti performance

[keen nacelle]

It wouldn't surprise me honestly

[proven moss]

Heyo I am looking for someone who could possibly help me with amd drivers .my bad if this is the wrong place to ask

[keen nacelle]

What's your issue with them?

Are you getting driver timeouts, are you trying to install them, etc

[heady turtle]

Nah don't worry it'll be 10$ cheaper /s

[proven moss]

So my gpu went out about a week ago and my friend gave me his handy down to just get me thru for a couple months .and it’s a r9 270x in great condition. And it’s not bad for the games I play .and I guess amd has stopped supporting the drivers for them but I’m seeing people on Reddit and discord by pass the adrenaline software from error 182 and get the non legacy

[keen nacelle]

If 4070 ti loses to 3090 and is $600 msrp I'll laugh

[heady turtle]

It'll probs be like 800$

[keen nacelle]

Lmfao

[heady turtle]

It is the 4080 12gb so

[keen nacelle]

Yeah

[heady turtle]

They where gonna sell it for 900

[keen nacelle]

I'm glad I'm skipping this gen

It seems so disappointing

[heady turtle]

And also because 7900xt pricing is dumb it's well ye

[proven moss]

Trying to install them

[hasty monolith]

Same. Both amd and nvidia are having issue after issue

[fading glacier]

799 confirmed

on the nvidia slides

[orchid loom]

it will be funny if 4070 ti is also big

4 slot 4070 ti

[fading glacier]

doubt it

its a 285w card

[orchid loom]

well they used the same chassis on 4090 on 4080

[fading glacier]

no

cause the 4080 had an fe edition

we never saw a 4080 12gb

yup

[orchid loom]

🤔

[fading glacier]

so the 4070ti is aib modeled

[orchid loom]

oh sad

[fading glacier]

kinda

[orchid loom]

no FE

[fading glacier]

remember than nvidia forces manufaturers to offer at least 1 model at msrp

expect those to sell out fast

[hasty monolith]

When does ces 2023 start

[fading glacier]

in 2 hours

im expecting to see aib models at 850 and 900

with the usual strix at 1k

at 850 could be kinda reasonable, anything beyond that... meh

[heady turtle]

Oh yeah forgot about that

Tbf not really much point going a tier lower when only going one gen usually it's pretty much same perf

[fading glacier]

pato is writing quite the essay

[heady turtle]

Great so like 1000 of each: ventus, asus dual, zotac twin edge, gigab eagle, palit Jetstream, pny uprising , galax 1 click oc, inno3d twin

A total of uh like 8000 msrp carss ever kekw

[fading glacier]

[heady turtle]

Yes cars

Vroom

[orchid loom]

Powrt usage is down I mean you can go for a 3090 ti if you want 450W coming from it and higher power spikes

[keen nacelle]

What pato said

There is no point in going from a 3090 to a 4080

Or a 2080 ti to a 3070 ti

Or a 1080 ti to a 2070/super/2080

Going a tier down next generation

[fading glacier]

40 series is a good step up from 20 and below... anyone with a 30 series card can skip no problem this gen, maybe next gen will have better prices

[heady turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-finding-nemo-mine-mine-mine-thats-mine-lulugifs-gif-20827668

[keen nacelle]

I'd say anything under 3080 an excuse can be made to upgrade

3080/6800xt and up is just stupid to upgrade from to 40/7000 series though

Unless maybe you're doing professional workloads and are going for a 4090

[heady turtle]

Where the hell is intels ces stream btw I can't find it?

[fading glacier]

but ces is 1h30 away

[heady turtle]

3060 ti fe

[heady turtle]

That's Nvidias keynote idk is intels earlier or something?

[fading glacier]

i missed so many launches by now that even the 4070ti seems plausible for me

effin scalpers getting all the online cards

[heady turtle]

Yeah inb4 release date is feb

[heady turtle]

No luck with the xtx today ?

[keen nacelle]

Only available card is the one no one wants, 7900xt at $910

[fading glacier]

no, nothing

and i refuse to get a reference

once its shipped to my country, im bound to it

[heady turtle]

Was asking because amd drops their ref cards on tuesdays at half an hour ago

[fading glacier]

yeah, but im willing to pay an extra for an aib model

[heady turtle]

Oh right you can't really afford to rma it

[keen nacelle]

Just same timing, I was saying that in response to ravell not being able to get any cards

[fading glacier]

indood

[orchid loom]

Well yea I mean if you already have a 3090 but if you don't is 4070 ti good to buy then

[heady turtle]

Oh right i thought you meant just normal 7900xt pricing cuz there's xfx and gigab? Ref models for 910 exactly

Gotta wait for reviews

[keen nacelle]

Kenzie

You missed the entire point of what pato and I said

[orchid loom]

What

[fading glacier]

yeah, thats why even the 4070ti seems reasonable to my eyes

depending on the review

and the aib pricing

[heady turtle]

According to leaks its supposed to at least compete with the xt

[keen nacelle]

We never said the 4070 ti was bad to buy if you didn't have a gpu or a non high end gpu already

We said it was a bad buy if you have a high end gpu already

[orchid loom]

Ye

[keen nacelle]

You're arguing with yourself

[orchid loom]

[keen nacelle]

Not that it's a good buy, considering you're going to be paying $800 for an overclocked 3090 with new dlss

[orchid loom]

That's what I said

[keen nacelle]

Only chance I'd buy a 4070 ti is if it was being sold for $500

[heady turtle]

Gen over gen value really does suck so far

[keen nacelle]

I really don't know what they were thinking

[fading glacier]

lawl galax cards are triple slot

wth... its a 285w card!

[orchid loom]

sexy

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-face-palm-ugh-disappointed-hopeless-gif-16894365

[heady turtle]

Well most 3070s are 2.something slots so might as well make it a full 3

You're already blocking the 3rd slot so

[fading glacier]

but but... i can fit a 0.7 pcie expansion card

[heady turtle]

You cant i had a 2.5 slot gpu, had to take out wifi pcie card

:/

[fading glacier]

[hasty monolith]

4 the pcie 4.0 slot will a 2.5 slot gpu 6800xt fit in a atx case. Dont have anything using pcie slots . Wifi from mobo

[heady turtle]

yes

[orchid loom]

4070 ti is 1.8x performace from 3090 ti they say

[keen nacelle]

Maybe in ray tracing or with dlss 3.0

They also said the 4090 is 3x a 3090

[hot bough]

Not so much in rasterization though. If you really want to upgrade to a 4070 ti I'd first look up some review videos on in-game performance to see if the $ is worth it to you.

[oak rivet]

What about someone who has 2080 level gpu

4070ti might be it ig

[oak rivet]

Seems to be 5% worse then 3090ti in pure raster

[oak rivet]

4090 is a good jump over 3090

Not that I mean 3090 owners should go out and buy a 4090

[hasty monolith]

Did amd announce anything yet

[oak rivet]

Lemme grab coffee and browse videocardz

[hasty monolith]

Are the msrp for 4070 more reeasonable over 4080 and 4090?

[oak rivet]

Wouldn't say 799 for a 70 class card is really reasonable

[vital oriole]

that's not after scalping from retails too

i would say 4070ti is a better deal than 4080

IF it stays at msrp

if not then nope, just another expensive gpu

[lilac cave]

I need some opinions... Should I get a RX 6600 or a RX 6600 XT? I know that the 6600 XT is about 15% faster, but I've looked at some benchmarks and it doesn't make that much of a difference, but the 6600XT is about $280 while the 6600 is $220. Basically my question is if the extra $60 for the XT is worth it.

[vital oriole]

percentage can be big or small depending on games

but i would say it's worth it

look for 6650xt tho

it's usually the same price as 6600xt

[lilac cave]

Ok, thanks for the tip! I'll look into it!

[oak rivet]

big gap between 4080 msrp the strix tax would be higher then on the 3070ti

[heady turtle]

nowhere near 3x though

[heady turtle]

for reference, 3070 was 500 and 3070 ti was 600

[keen nacelle]

I like how we just casually bullied nvidia into unreleasing the 4070 ti as the 4080 12gb

[heady turtle]

for 100$ less nonetheless

[fallen tusk]

Is it safe for me to use a splitter on my pcie cable to power my gpu?

[fading glacier]

safe? no

it could work? yeah, totally... but safe... not at all

[wicked hound]

-$100 given no FE afaik

[orchid loom]

It's fine there will either be sparks and fire

That's all

[heady turtle]

Well you know there will be like a total of 6 at msrp /s

[wicked hound]

Assuming no FE I'd be surprised if there was even one at MSRP tbf. Esp after a month where AIBs discontinue all their cheap cards.

[heady turtle]

Exactly there will be a total of 6 msrp aib cards lol

Real msrp will probs be like 830$ or so

[random walrus]

Is the cable already split?

Like a daisy chain cable with 2 pcie connectors?

[rancid hill]

Rgb light startup in pc building sim be like

[sonic mural]

If you're able, I'd use the first connector on that cable and then use a whole other pcie cables if you have one

While daisy chaining is usually fine, just not worth added risk if possible

[fading glacier]

hahaha im having the time of my life watching gamernexus video on the nvidia ces announcements hahahahaha

damm good video xD

[orchid loom]

We love asus

[steel garnet]

what would u guys rec for an upgrade from a 5700xt sapphire nitro

lookin to spend no more than 500 :(

[vital oriole]

6800 or 6800xt

or maybe wait for 7700xt

[steel garnet]

is that gonna be a thing?

was lookin at the 6800xt

but all i saw was them new for 1 grand

:(

[oak rivet]

7700xt my estimate would be like a 6800xt

[orchid loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/1027yxp/nvidias_rtx_4090_mobile_gpu_looks_seriously_quick/

@fading glacier ik you said if close side panel melt will happen so what cable might they be using for it to be able to bent like that

[oak rivet]

Probably that cable mod cable

[livid idol]

Whatever cable it is, it isn't stock. Individually sleeved and combed, gotta be cablemod or moddiy or something.

[proven moss]

heyo this may be the wrong place to ask but im having some driver issues with amd .if any one is familiar with amd could u dm me and see if i can get my issue fixed.

[livid idol]

I'm heading to bed but this might help

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[hasty monolith]

Im getting 6800xt today

[gleaming tundra]

They’re greedy.

[heady turtle]

Oop reviews are out
https://youtu.be/N-FMPbm5CNM

[ivory herald]

Oh snap. Also from Safi pic (1% frames, but still)

[livid idol]

So this is what "3x 3090 ti" looks like eh?

[vital oriole]

nvidia moment

that's why i just take marketing buzzwords with a grain of salt every time

they all lie

[ivory herald]

Not a deal per se, but it kinda is VS 4070 ti. Was $500 until last 2 min. $200 over a used 3070 might be, but yolo. 3770+3080 is gonna be a hilarious combo for a minute on TimeSpy. (Waiting for more than just 13400F to be out)

[vital oriole]

not bad tbh

[ivory herald]

Preciate it. I partly still compare to how the FE msrp was 700 anyways. 2 yrs old doesn't really matter to me. Stomps my 1080 & at least I can game again

[oak rivet]

if someone can daily drive a 320watt gpu with a 550watt psu

pretty sure same thing can be done with a strix 4070ti

[keen nacelle]

my 3060 ti was fine on a 500w

3060 ti fine on a 350w lol

[oak rivet]

i mean i need to put each penny towards the gpu if i am to afford it

[celest thorn]

those prices 🤢

[oak rivet]

cx550m should do nicely

[keen nacelle]

hell no

[fringe scroll]

Lmaoo

[oak rivet]

the average 4070ti seems to consume less then that

[keen nacelle]

first off, cxm sucks at handling transients, which yes 40 series has lower transients than 30 series but they do still exist

[fringe scroll]

Im gonna push my 6700xt till my 650 psu trips

[keen nacelle]

I wouldn't put the 4070 ti on anything less than a B tier 650

[fringe scroll]

Safi what psu u have now

The 550?

[oak rivet]

cx550m

[fringe scroll]

Thought so just making sure u weren't doing another build or something ok

[ivory herald]

Not sure I'd put a 70 ti on that unless it's set 80PL or less at least. I've got a B/A tier G+ 650w and gonna do a decent UV on the 3080.

[fading glacier]

still remember that time when i was worried about a 3080 on a 850w

i was so young back then

[oak rivet]

3080 is like only a 2 year old gpu

[keen nacelle]

are you undervolting or just power limiting?

[oak rivet]

soo wins at 1080p

and loses at 4k

[ivory herald]

Just UV, leaving PL at 100-105. Mainly suggesting Safi & anyone w/ 40 series to try PL tuning only. Der bauer is at least 1 who found 40 series is different in this way.

[keen nacelle]

yeah was gonna say uv makes more sense to prevent bad transients in your case

ga transient management not good from what i've been told

[ivory herald]

Plus it's crazy how generous stock V is. Indeed UV will help the transients a ton. Current psu is a 2 yr old G3, new backup is a g1+/g+. I think the g3 is technically better, idk if I'll switch em for new gpu.

[vital oriole]

i also wouldn't do 4070ti with a 550w

even with a 10400 lol

leaves very little room for stability

[ivory herald]

Perhaps instantly put PL to like 70 or even 60, haha. At least the 4090 was great at 60PL. 70ti probably loses a bit more steam.

[heady turtle]

A 550w c tier are you mad

[vital oriole]

as soon as spikes happen, well there goes the system

shuts off

[oak rivet]

well i wish there were better psus for 50 bucks

[vital oriole]

it won't explode but still cause instability regardless

only thing you can do to cope with it is to limit perf with lower PL

which defeats the purpose of the upgrade

[livid idol]

2x transient load will make a C tier unit cut out so yeah B tier 650W minimum

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA-tQpQqD7U&t=4s

not for turing

thats a bummer

[livid idol]

Calling it now, that video upscaling is going to be a rarely used gimmick

It's interesting sure but use cases are so weird

[livid idol]

That's interesting. UE5 ray tracing doesn't favor any vendor while looking great anecdotally.

[oak rivet]

well the reflections in fortnite are not really there

[livid idol]

anecdotally

See also: opinion

[oak rivet]

Think these represents the actual ray trace capabilities of the cards

[livid idol]

That's hardware ray tracing though. UE5 is software based.

[oak rivet]

Well that explains why it's vendor neutral

[livid idol]

Exactly. Once more games adopt it that'll make the market much more interesting.

[oak rivet]

Well if it looks good like hardware rt in actual AAA looking games unlike Fortnite

I am all for it

[livid idol]

The key is accessibility I think. Software based ray tracing can theoretically be used on older gen cards like the still popular 1060.

[celest thorn]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-faulty-thermal-solution-7900-xtx-throttling

[livid idol]

Bout time they broke radio silence

Though that "limited number" has been pretty high

[celest thorn]

ye derbaur mentioned a poll that showed like 25% showing the issue

not so "limited"

[wicked hound]

UE5 is both

Depends on lighting API used

Dont know what Fortnite uses tho

[livid idol]

HUB said software driven in that game

[oak rivet]

There is a button for hardware ray tracing

Lumen itself used in fortnite seems to be software based

[orchid loom]

@livid idol interesting

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/dVF8TW

(also note I am not going to bend cable) im just cirous for the people bending there cables

[rugged thunder]

For some reason, neither of my GPUs are suddenly putting out any video

They both turn on and all that, just neither of them put out a signal, despite my first one being fine 30 minutes ago

[orchid loom]

are drivers doneloaded

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

I was just using it 30 minutes ago

I've already tried taking out the watch battery for a few minutes

That did nothing

Alright I think

I fixed something

I clicked the flash bios button and DP works

[solid glacier]

okay so my pc issue is my gpu isn't getting the right power...? not drops to much so its either a gpu draw power issue or my powersupply is messed up what do i do

[vital oriole]

What's your pc's specs? Tell me about everything down to psu

[solid glacier]

Gigabyte Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB 1TB SSD MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 Cpu Cooler-Deepcool AK620 Cpu-I7 12700KF 12- core Case-Phanteks Eclipse 5 fans- Artic P12 HDD- 2TB western Blue- 32GB of ram 2x16 GB ram 3600mhz Ripjaws sticks

[vital oriole]

Which psu?

The hardware shouldn't have any power issues if it's got a good one with enough wattage

[solid glacier]

850W gold EVGA

[vital oriole]

Exact model?

[solid glacier]

Super nova

[vital oriole]

hm okay

Then I would first verify if all the power connectors are correctly connected

What kind of drops were you talking about?

[solid glacier]

Yea gonna do that, it might be my gpu. Bc when gaming it drops to 50% usage doesn’t stay at 99 at 2k res and max settings

[solid glacier]

So it should be using 99% utilization and it dips by slot and when it does that my game feels like crap

[vital oriole]

Oh, it's more software or game issue

That's not related to power

Try reinstalling gpu drivers

No need to ddu for amd, just run the installer and choose clean install

[solid glacier]

When stress stressing the power watts the gou pulls stays at 250+ then drops to 40… then goes back up for a bit thrn drops again..

[vital oriole]

That could just be drivers not being stable

I would update it first

[solid glacier]

I got the latest gpu driver

22.11.2

[solid glacier]

Stress test was on AMD software it’s self

I tried on multiple games though

[vital oriole]

Wouldn't hurt to reinstall still

[solid glacier]

Reinstall the same driver?

I’ll do that and then I’ll recheck the pcie cables to make sure there all plugged in

[sonic mural]

to clean off drivers and reinstall, that amd adrenanline software has a factory reset option for gpu drivers

then its just a matter of doing that then reinstalling the new drivers

[solid glacier]

Oo I never knew that now I do

[solid glacier]

Could be possible if windows is using their drivers instead of mine to run games

[vital oriole]

Likely

But it's not the case since you do still have the correct drivers

[solid glacier]

Hm okay

[oak rivet]

it seems the turing and ampere counterpart of 1080ti are kinda pulling ahead these days

pascal probably not the first thing in nvidias mind optimization wise

[vital oriole]

to be fair the gpu is getting pretty old

it already lacks the latest dx features and stuff

[oak rivet]

well yes

cant expect it to be a 1080p ultra 60fps gpu forever

[ivory herald]

Many games just aren't built well also. Oh if I had the 1080 ti big dawg, wouldn't even be upgrading for a while. I know a 3070 or even 60 ti is plenty, but too late now. At least my cpu stays under 70w & I have a spare psu also.

[sage maple]

comeone ping me

[odd siren]

I'm not surprised but never heard such a terrible beatdown from the current 4070 Ti lmfao

Losing to cheaper last gen cards is disgustingly bad, worse than stagflation, gotta be honest

To say it's basically 3090 perf with dlss 3 and AV1 is really sad since 3090's go for 3/4 the price used

[oak rivet]

Pure raster it edges out the 3090ti at 1440p

[odd siren]

Steve was saying it edges the 3080 for 100 more msrp so I was actually being a bit generous there

[ivory herald]

(Some) 4070 ti tests are indeed relying moderately on dlss 3. Funny thing about msrp is that there's so many used cards around. Instead of $800 vs 700 (FE), it's 800 vs 550-600.

[odd siren]

Yeah no rewatching it, it's barely ahead of a 3090

I stand by my statement

[odd siren]

Not to mention RDNA 2 flagships making them all look just disgusting tbh

[oak rivet]

Well it's better then a 3090ti

The pricing could be a bit better that's about it

Rdna 2 rt wise is still too weak

Nvidia sometimes only competes with themselves lol

The amd best competitive gpu for the 4070ti is 7900xt

[odd siren]

It's not better than a 3090 Ti

And arguably worse* than a 6950XT lol

We should also note for your HUB reference Steve states some of those 1440p tests are cpu bound

[oak rivet]

The avg came out higher then 3090ti

Even in complete gpu bound scenario it's really close to 3090ti

[odd siren]

Yes but if you break down the titles that it beats the 3090 Ti it's usually by a big margin

Like, enormous

Otherwise it nestles between 3090 and 3090 Ti

Example

For GN's testing they had it in a much less favourable overall

result

[oak rivet]

Gn test suite consists of older games iirc?

Hwub had new stuff like requiem and calisto in there

Super easy to get gpu bound in those

[odd siren]

We need to consider two things

1. Outliers

Data that doesn't follow a consistent trend in a test can't be considered gospel

2. L2 cache

Ada has a larger l2 cache

Huge

For more cpu bound scenarios, this and ipc will push it much higher than the previous gen

Think of it like, the 5800X3D

Same idea

Remove the bottleneck tho? And it shows it's true colours at 4K

[oak rivet]

Yup these titles are on the older side

[odd siren]

It makes so much more sense to test 4k on this card as you force a bottleneck

[odd siren]

You should take these into consideration too, all games matter

Like cpu testing, you force a bound scenario

And eliminate variables

[oak rivet]

It's a 799$ card

[odd siren]

And so is an ocf 6950xt

[odd siren]

^

[oak rivet]

People buying it likely on a 1080p or 1440p monitor

[odd siren]

Sure, I eould agree it's for 1440p

But I won't agree that it's perfect testing for it

1440p doesn't force a bottleneck

People have argued this point with techpowerup for years

[oak rivet]

Where we know the gpus are the limiting factor for sure is in rt

Where it barely was different from 3090ti

Maybe with future game updates more advantage can be taken of the newer rt cores

[odd siren]

Ok, that much I'll agree, but RT is such a niche it's not very relevant

And additionally

why is it the same as a 3090 Ti, and not an uplift?

If it's gonna match in this market segment then nvidia ultimately did this to themselves

RT should be better, they made a big deal out of it each generation after all

Hell it should be entirely better, this entire new gen has been rubbish

I think this'll hit home what I'm really trying to say - if this new gpu was 600$? It would be fantastic

There's no real gain in value here over the current market, it's just complete stagnation, which ruins the point

[oak rivet]

Well the card also has frame gen

When turn on it should be nowhere near 3090ti level realm

Also less then 300w for sameish 3090ti raster perf

[odd siren]

And yet the same price

They shouldn't need to use DLSS to justify the point that it's better

It should just be straight better than the market

[oak rivet]

Frame gen can also be turned on without the downscaling of dlss 2 iirc

[odd siren]

Frame gen also introduces latency penalties which a lot of people don't like

So that's also not a totally convincing point either

[oak rivet]

Yeah absolutely no no for anything remotely online

[odd siren]

If you're frame obsessed you want less latency

It's just a terrible buy, parity to 3090, and ultimately costs more if you consider used

[oak rivet]

Yk some improvements have already been made

I see no fault in the card apart from the pricing

499$ and we be set

[odd siren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/102q5li/amd_is_recalling_some_batches_of_the_7900_xtx/

[solid glacier]

u sure?

it doesnt say drivers

[hasty monolith]

I went from rx560 to 6800xt only thing i did uninstall and reinstall amd driver

[solid glacier]

Soo 3 things are popping up

I got a amd gpu but I never seen Intel pop up

[hasty monolith]

What about intel r u talking about

[solid glacier]

got it nbm

[solid glacier]

okay so i reinstalled drivers still getting gpu draw drops so gonna try replugigng everything in

[verbal cedar]

does anyone have advice. my pc is 3070, ryzen 5600x, 16gb ram, with a 750w power supply. my issue is that recently started after my pc was working fine for a year is my gpu doesn't draw more than like 60 watts in games of stress tests. I clean reinstalled drivers and updated reset my bios to the stock options but it is still having the same issue

[odd siren]

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[odd siren]

Try this

[verbal cedar]

will this do more than a clean install?

cause the problem started when I haven't hade a different card

[odd siren]

Yes more than a clean install

1000% better

[verbal cedar]

ok thank you

[lone pond]

Is the XFX Speedster MERC319 Radeon RX 6750XT any good? Does anyone have it?

What is something that is better?

[sonic mural]

Well better would be a 6800 and up generally speaking

But depends on your use case and what price it is for you

[wicked hound]

TO THOSE NOT READING, CHART BELOW IS UNFISHISHED AND DOES NOT SHOW PROPERLY ACCURATE DATA

Quite late here, but GPU testing isnt so cut and dry here. With 2160p you do generally force a bottleneck on the GPU in general, but specifically it's the GPU memory (for moderately high end GPUs and better). That or anything else that relates to very high occupancy workloads (Intel Arc having so many low/mid occupancy issues as a half example). 1440p is mid to high occupancy workloads, which assuming when GPU bound at least, will change what the internal GPU bottleneck is. This can be seen with the 4070Ti being on average better or worse then the 3090Ti depending on game resolution with settings on max. Prolly the best way to go about this is my method used in my unfinished chart here. Find the outliers and remove them if they are bad data (cross compare with other data samples, see if source specifies data is non-GPU bound, etc). But use the resolution desired (1440p/2160p).

Also regarding this: Losing to cheaper [used] last gen cards is disgustingly bad, worse than stagflation, gotta be honest, that has basically always been the case afaik when talking about used market. Using the used market seems a bit unfair tbf, esp considering it's much more volatile to changes from say a crazy amt of people selling their old cards from mining/scalping. The point should be looking at a good increase for perf/$, for all generations. Pascal had above average perf increase with slight price increase, good perf/$ increase. Turing had normal perf increase (exception of RT) with huge price increase, terrible perf/$ increase. Ampere had bit below average perf increase (when power normalized) and normalish prices (on initial launch and near Ada launch), good perf/$ increase. Ada had above average perf increase and terrible prices, no perf/$ increase.

TO THOSE NOT READING, CHART BELOW IS UNFISHISHED AND DOES NOT SHOW PROPERLY ACCURATE DATA

[odd siren]

Please don't misquote me on this. I didn't context used here.

[wicked hound]

Where is a <$800 3090 tho?

[odd siren]

I did here, but 6900XT and 6950XT are both relevant new

And I won't call using the used market unfair either honestly. Given the state of the releases so far, I feel like I'm looking at the mobile phone market instead of something that actually shows a perf/$ gain

My argument actually stands stronger to that point. If buying used makes the most sense by far for getting, let's say a 500-ish 3080, why the hell would we bother with any cards* that cost close to or more than double that?

If I can get a $600 3090 in a reasonable trade, and the step up is a 800 ($850) 4070 Ti, why the hell would I do the 4070 Ti?

The reason the 4070 Ti does better at 1440p is the increase of L2 cache, as a result of better IPC

But that doesn't explain the value, nor justify the means

It's far from worth it

The reviewers unanimously hate it

It's a great card! Sure, but it's priced, horrendously

You should see gains from a new release, never stagnation

In this market, it's stagnation

If I can buy a 6950XT OCF for 780-799 and be basically at parity that's not an improvement

There are no echoes of a good change here like there was with Ampere or Pascal, this echoes* strongly of Turing, where we saw a pointless investment in generational change, they seem to want to try the same idea again on the market, after seeing the extent of ampere and crypto mining

And I still, believe that card is at 3090 parity.

Forcing a bottleneck is the proper means of testing a piece of hardware like this

I gave techpowerup flack for their testing methodology earlier, but that is for cpu testing. Their GPU testing is up there for some of the most thorough

People have wanted tpu to change their cpu testing for a long time

[wicked hound]

I wouldnt really say a 6900XT is much of a 4070Ti competitor tho. 6950XT I guess, but not really 6900XT.
Anyways going back to your used argument, I dont recall a time where your specific point wasnt true. Why does the used market even thrive at all, for the many, many years it has existed? Due to it being a better deal then new with certain drawbacks (whatever that may be, no warranty idk). What I dislike here is that your point isnt proving how this is worse then normal. If you want to make this a point, more data needs to be shown to say why Ada is worse then normal.
Also plz no average TPU tests without sifting through their data on moderately good GPUs. So many of their tests are 💩 as they arent that GPU bound (shown in my unfinished chart above, red text is what I consider "strange" data, meaning actual outlier or what I consider to be outlier). So far from what I've seen the 4070Ti is a 3090Ti competitor, not a 3090 competitor (unless maybe high occupancy workloads).

[odd siren]

Ok so you want me to pull gn charts which show mostly the same thing about it coming to reach with a 3090?

Fact is we are playing with a handful of percent

And sure, used is always relevant, but not so much to the point where other cards in the current market are stupid

Going out and buying a 190-210$ 6600 is a perfectly reasonable purchase and has been for some time

[solemn panther]

thats a lot of reading

[wicked hound]

GN also had a 500w 3090Ti instead of a 375w one. In tests I've seen where things are more normalized, it's a 3090Ti competitor.

[odd siren]

No

At 4k

It's close to a 3090

Hands down

I watched that review too

[wicked hound]

Refer to my first paragraph I posted about workload occupancies and how they change internal GPU bottlenecks.

[orchid loom]

just buy a 4090

[wicked hound]

4090 obsolete, buy 5090Ti

[odd siren]

I'm simply not going to rely on a scenario where you aren't forcing a bottleneck to see true performance

And my mind will not change on this

Because at that point, we can look at other parts of potential bottlenecking which makes it moot

I wholeheartedly refuse to agree

[wicked hound]

All you're doing is testing GPU bandwidth, not GPU performance

in layman terms

obv not 100% true, but that is my point simplified

[odd siren]

That is a fault of the card, not a fault of the testing

I've already stated why it does better at 1440p, and that I would recommend this card for 1440p

But being a stick in the mud about where I feel the 4070 Ti lies, is pointless

Not when there's enough reviews out there that, in a gpu bound resolution, it plays to that area of performance

We can agree to disagree

End of.

[solemn panther]

techie vs techie round one: completed

[orchid loom]

4k the new norm

[solemn panther]

no

[orchid loom]

okay 1 more year

[solemn panther]

not until 4k monitors equal the price of current 1440p mid-range models

[wicked hound]

I dont think 1440p is even the norm yet

[solemn panther]

in this server anyways

on steam survey, no

1080p is still king

[rugged iron]

is the RTX3060 good for streaming while gaming??

[orchid loom]

oooof

[rugged iron]

can i be alowed to send the link?

or this one the Radeon RX 6600 CORE Gaming

[solemn panther]

sure

[fervent knot]

aint reading allat

[solid glacier]

okay so i reinstalled drivers still getting gpu draw drops so gonna try replugigng everything in

[hasty sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/mic-drop-the-voice-boom-its-over-just-like-that-gif-23381184

[humble herald]

Pst question

Is there a stress test for gpu?

I think it's going to give up and want to make sure who's is it

[orchid loom]

[orchid loom]

I'm glad it ended that was so many words

[humble herald]

[ivory herald]

3dmark TimeSpy (extreme, which is 4K), Unigine Superposition, furmark. (I haven't used furmark in years though, often makes a gpu power/thermal throttle which maybe wouldn't allow full clockspeeds.

[oak rivet]

7900xt is the true competitor for the 4070ti imo

The rdna 2 gpus just fall of far behind in rt

[oak rivet]

With games getting soo gpu bound even at 1080p and actual next gen games aren't even out yet

Don't think it will be anytime soon

[humble herald]

How do I know what's good?

[ivory herald]

It's not like finding unstable ram. If crashes are rare & so are weird lines or glitches on screen, generally a gpu if fine for many years.

[vocal current]

Is the Intel A380 decent enough for a stream only pc.

[orchid loom]

CableMod Pro ModMesh 12VHPWR PCI-e Extension (Black, 16-pin to Triple 8-pin, 45cm) https://a.co/d/ex4Rm0X

Will this work

[fading glacier]

why not?

[wicked hound]

AV1 will take some time to have widespread adoption for streaming services. I also cant find any information if Twitch will do transcoding to VP9/HVEC/H265/H264 if a client doesnt have AV1 decode support (if not, client cant watch stream which makes it a fairly bad option for streamers).

[primal dust]

Obligatory “I’m not gonna cause a fire” pic?

[odd siren]

Make sure it's plugged all the way in

All the way

Aaallll the way

Yes, I need to say this 3 times to make sure

That's just how important it is

[primal dust]

I pushed very very hard on it. Also no idea why my friend needs a 4080, but that’s another conversation lol

[lone pond]

how do you know if your gpu has used chips?

like peladn

[livid idol]

An average person wouldn't be able to tell usually

[lone pond]

i mean I got it, and it performs well, I just don't know if its worth to return

[livid idol]

If it's performing how you expect then I'd say it's fine

[lone pond]

Ok because everyone hates on the brand but its working fine for me so i just wasnt sure

[livid idol]

It's not like it doesn't work, it's just scummy that they sometimes pass off used as new

[lone pond]

does the chips make it not last as long? or just speed

[livid idol]

Nah it should last as long as you need it to. There's GTX 900 chips that are just starting to die out and those are from 2014

[lone pond]

alright well ty

[livid idol]

np

[raven flame]

is 6800 better then 3070 not raytracing wise

[sonic mural]

Def pretty close

Would look at benchmarks from reputable sources for the specific games you'll play

But shouldnt be much of a difference on average

[raven flame]

i play beam mg and a few other racing games

[odd siren]

Rt in racing games isn't full RT afaik so shouldn't really matter much

[ivory herald]

Lookup 6800XT prices also, just in case. Amd has overall good value either way though.

[raven flame]

they are like $700 on newegg normal 6800 is $520

[oak rivet]

What racing games actually have rt

[sonic mural]

Maybe f1?

Maybe Forza?

[oak rivet]

Forza only does iirc

[raven flame]

yea

[sonic mural]

Idk I don't delve too deep into those

[oak rivet]

F1

[sonic mural]

Dawg idk it looks pretty good 💀

[oak rivet]

Think I need magnifying glass to see any difference

[sonic mural]

That's what she said

[raven flame]

6800 xt is 760 open box on newegg

[oak rivet]

Forza on the other hand does look noticeably better if you do rt with hdr on

[raven flame]

is 600 W enouph for a 6800

srry for spelling

[keen nacelle]

what model

[raven flame]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B2MwrH/thermaltake-toughpower-gx1-600-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0600nnfagu-1

[keen nacelle]

no

[raven flame]

oof

[keen nacelle]

issue is psu prices suck rn

[raven flame]

i rlly dont wanna spend $100 on a new psu this one is brand new

got it in july

[livid idol]

C tier so it won't blow up at least, it'll have protections

It just might shut down under heavy load

[keen nacelle]

^

[raven flame]

well i was told it was a bomb

[odd siren]

There's always undervolting

[livid idol]

AMD even has that as an auto option for UV

That would drop power use significantly

[raven flame]

how much wats do i need for 6800 then

[livid idol]

It's not about quantity, it's more about quality in the higher tiers

And a 6800 is a high tier GPU

[raven flame]

not rlly it uses 250 wats max under max load

[livid idol]

You can try it and see how well it does, and if it shuts down you know why

250W nominal means 400-450W spikes

[raven flame]

well ima just buy a new one i dont wanna deal with that how much wats do i need

[vital oriole]

should still be enough for a c tier 600w

[raven flame]

ok

[vital oriole]

400-450w spikes still leaves 150w for cpu and other stuff

or more

[raven flame]

i never put any of my stuff on full load my games are not that bad

[livid idol]

If you don't want to spend the money then don't, it won't hurt anything. It's just a known weak point if you start having trouble down the line.

[raven flame]

ok thanks bro

[oak rivet]

Well definitely don't be getting a weaker gpu to get a better psu

Rather wait and save more

[raven flame]

my dad gave me a pc from work with a $10 cpu and its not bad ngl

intel pentium SLGTH

[livid idol]

A dual core from 2010

[raven flame]

yep lol

[livid idol]

It'll be fine for browsing

[raven flame]

its $10 on ebay and $20 on newegg

ebay its used

nvm newegg one is used too

[ivory herald]

Anything better or close to my old E8400 is plenty for browsing and such

[livid idol]

It's the E5700. 2 years newer but lower bus speed. Fairly comparable I'd say overall.

[reef heath]

why are the 4090s has different MSRP price in newegg than the other sites?

[fading glacier]

cause those are third-party sellers AKA scalpers

you cant regulate scalper prices

also, there are no different msrp, msrp is unique and its 1599.

[reef heath]

like the tuf 1799 before now its 1819? msrp

[fading glacier]

thats aib model pricing

now that you mention it, aib prices went up o.O

doesnt matter anyway... out of stock

[reef heath]

yeah, thank you for checking.

is the shopblt.com a good source? trusted?

[fading glacier]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot folio]

You’re going to be waiting a year for whatever you buy

[lone pond]

Where could I sell my old gpu?

[reef heath]

ahh thank you sir

ohh alright thanks for confirming

[solid glacier]

okay so i reinstalled drivers still getting gpu draw drops what driver should i try now instead of the latest one that came out in decemebr

[odd siren]

What do you mean draw drops?

If you're expecting a gpu to stay locked at 450W or whatever tdp it has in games, all GPU's don't do that

Look at utilisation, not power draw

And even then that shouldn't be a perfect 100

[solid glacier]

noo like at 250w it stay during a stresstest and then it randomly spikes really low then goes back to noral

[fading glacier]

yeah, thats utilization

[solid glacier]

yea ulisation goes from 99% to 30-70 and when that happens my fps feels like crap and when it goes back to normal its fine

[odd siren]

What cpu do you have

[fading glacier]

so stutters?

[solid glacier]

yea

[solid glacier]

i7-12700kf

[odd siren]

Unusual behaviour

Are you still running the oc?

[solid glacier]

nope

[river sedge]

So I'm trying to upgrade from a 1660 ti to either a 3080 or a 4070ti which should I go for

[solid glacier]

im on default settings

[odd siren]

Hm

[wicked hound]

I just thought about GPU Draw Calls and not actually power draw. I'm a sad techie for not thinking of power draw. Sadge.

[odd siren]

I was thinking jaw drops but it's 5am here

[fading glacier]

depends on your budget

[solid glacier]

i think its my gpu bc iv done multple testing and only thing i can think of is just gonna rma the card

[fading glacier]

used 3080s can be found as low as 500usd

[odd siren]

6900XT is decent if you're pitching in that price range

[river sedge]

Wouldn't used 3080s have a lower lifespan or have a higher chance being doa?

[solid glacier]

so what should i do

[odd siren]

It's definitely unusual behaviour but it can depend on the game as well

[wicked hound]

4070Ti has terrible perf/$ compared to almost any Ampere GPU. It's not worth the extra 40%+ more money for 5%-10% more perf.

[river sedge]

I see

[fading glacier]

e_e no

has the same lifespan as any tech if maintenance is being made properly

higher chance of doa? wut?

[heady turtle]

lifespan is the same, some people might try to sell you borked cards as working but ebay protections are really good and if buying used in person you kinda wanna see it working in their house or have a testbench you can bring to try it out before buying

[odd siren]

Find someone who took good care of it and that 3080 will have just as much life in it almost as any new gen card tbh

[fading glacier]

there is no "higher chance of doa" btw

[odd siren]

If anything ampere will have a very long life as covid sent pc gaming through the roof

There's a LOT of ampere cards in the wild

[wicked hound]

Have another drive to use as a temporary new OS drive? Also have you done research on the games this is happening to, whether the used game is just terribly optimized? Are you sure BIOS settings aren't whack, or that BIOS is on an old version?

[river sedge]

I gotcha I was hearing a lot of the used cards was old mining cards

[odd siren]

Hay's suggestion is great @solid glacier , try a separate OS

[river sedge]

Which why I assumed the lower span

[odd siren]

If your windows is buggered that would explain the fps drops

[odd siren]

Mining means nothing

[heady turtle]

perfectly fine, most miners take better care of their cards even

[fading glacier]

yes, some are, but that doesnt mean that those are bad... it all falls down to the owner

[odd siren]

In fact if a person was mining properly with it, that card is better off

[fading glacier]

some gamers treat their cards worse

[odd siren]

People who just game with it don't check their temps are running worse than miners who control their card and it's environment

[heady turtle]

yall just copying me smh

[fading glacier]

"miner cards are bad" is just an urban legend... badly aged i might add

[cerulean rover]

Some good, some bad, same risks, don't discriminate based off workload smh

[wicked hound]

Yeah I don't really like the whole idea of recommending a new OS install if it's unknown if it is even the issue. So I tried to think of ways around it that wouldn't be overly complicated and that's the best I could think of.

Could also do a new partition, but that does leave one stuck with the two old management partitions.

[odd siren]

A separate OS on a separate system will eliminate a lot of variables tho

/even same system

Not saying reinstall

(yet)

[wicked hound]

I forgot to recommend seperate system. Yeah that's also good.

[fading glacier]

still if you think about it, a miner treat their cards better because they knew they were his tools and made money.... unlike gamers who just plug and play... gamers cards usually are the most filthy of the bunch, not maintenance at all

[wicked hound]

Hard to say. This was a fairly big thing, lots of people like "quick" and easy money and mining is just that. So it had a lot of attention, from both smart and unsmart people.

[cerulean rover]

Gamers: Less uptime, less chance of caring about card
Miners: More uptime, more chance of caring about card
Risk is basically the same imo

[wicked hound]

That said, don't think it's worth concerning oneself over.

[solid glacier]

iv resetted bios and DDU its my gpu

Iv tried windows on another drive still same issues

[odd siren]

Try a separate system

Pop that gpu bad boi into another pc

You'll really isolate it at that point (They may ask you to try this for an RMA anyways)

[solid glacier]

Don’t got another system tot ry sadly

[fading glacier]

a friend or something?

[solid glacier]

nah not really well my brother does but his is a prebuilt and hes on nvidida

Should i try a different recommended driver

[sterile zodiac]

Ok, for my server, which gpu is better? I have an AMD FirePro V4900, and an XFX R7 240 4GB.

the xfx has 4GB ddr3 vram, but the FirePro has 1gb ddr5.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/firepro-v4900.c578

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/xfx-r7-240-core-edition-4-gb.b7581

These are the cards.

[fading glacier]

technically you dont need a dedicated gpu for a server

so any of those can work

just get the cheapest or the prettiest

[heady turtle]

well it needs a gpu just not a graphics card

[sterile zodiac]

I just need something to run the display lol, so far I don’t use it for transcoding or anything

And I own both, they’re sitting around

I’m leaning towards the FirePro, it’s got faster vram

[heady turtle]

then whatever i guess the one with 4gb

[odd siren]

Interesting, newer drivers for XTX and XT have given it a small improvement

Picked it up in linus' 4070 Ti review

Where, in a sudden twist, the XTX is doing better than it in RT

💀

[livid idol]

Yep as expected. Too bad they didn't have those optimizations to start with but it's good they did it.

[odd siren]

Yeah it's now more deep between a 4090 and 4080 by the looks of it

[livid idol]

Indeed. The outlier games that were throwing off the averages are fixed.

[odd siren]

Now we can give the rdna 3 the kudos it truly deserves

Well, after the reference board recalls

[livid idol]

Reference cooler specifically, reference boards by third parties are fine

[odd siren]

Yes

Well

Aren't they all reference really?

[livid idol]

No

[odd siren]

All 17x55A(?)

[livid idol]

There's plenty of custom PCBs

[odd siren]

The customs only change input filtering tho

Weirdge

[livid idol]

Which is still different than reference enough to make coolers incompatible mostly

[odd siren]

Eh ok

I don't really know tbf

But I know which cards you mean

MBA

I wanna see more driver optimisation amd

XTX fast

[odd siren]

Le oof, blender still an issue for it tho

Le sadge

[oak rivet]

What would be the minimum for a 1080p ultra build these days

3060 and 6600xt ig

[livid idol]

I'd say a 12400 with a 6650XT would be great for 1080p max or medium/high 1440p. You can get a build list around $700 with that, sometimes less.

That would last you a few years at 1080p for sure.

[fading glacier]

minimum for ultra build? any pascal/turing used card on 1080p

[oak rivet]

Yeah I wanted to do some baseline analysis what's the minimum gpu for each res at ultra

[fading glacier]

ultra isn't minimum pal

[oak rivet]

Like 1080p ultra,1440p ultra and 4k ultra

[fading glacier]

you are mixing three different things

[livid idol]

4k is where things really get weird too

[fading glacier]

ultra, minimum, ultrabudget

6650xt is best for 1080p

not minimum

you can go ultra settings at 1080p on turing/pascal depending on the game

[limber flax]

I wouldn't trust whatever is sent out, ngl

I'll wait for the floatplane feature instead

[oak rivet]

By the looks of it seems

A 10900k limits a 6500xt more then it does a 3090

That's kinda funny to me

[fading glacier]

10th gen cant handle pcie 4.0 so a 6500xt performing worse is expected (4 lanes vs 16 lanes on the 3090). Is well known that the 30 series barely use the full pcie 3.0 anyway

6500xt at pcie 3.0 is like having an arc gpu without rebar

[soft heath]

What is the best value GPU that could get me to play smooth raytracing 4k? Should be possible with the new generation, no? My 3070 can't really do it anyway

[oak rivet]

at 4k native ultra rt ?

[soft heath]

Preferably

[oak rivet]

sadly 4090 is like the only that has on knockdown

[soft heath]

Oh gosh

[oak rivet]

4080 and 4070ti can also do that with some dlss quality at 4k

[soft heath]

hm sure DLSS is fine

[heady turtle]

Like 4080/7900xtx or 4090 are your 3 options pretty much

The first 2 should do it tho

[soft heath]

4090 costs 2k € around here, there’s no way I’m paying that

4080 is "only" 1.4

If I can get the 4080 and 7900xtx at similar price points, is there a clear favorite?

[soft heath]

Fair enough

PCIe 3 is not enough for a 4080, is it?

[oak rivet]

it is

enough

[soft heath]

mm okay

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/v2SuyiHs-O4

another mention the 40 series has frame gen

you turn that on it just rips through ampere

[vital oriole]

and it's not in every games

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/fqVMIAtMvi0

[limber flax]

Nvidia definitely isn't the best value

I'll tell you that much

Raw compute AMD still competes quite well

[soft heath]

Based on this and the prices that are available to me, the 4080 goes for 16.9 €/FPS, while the 7900 XTX costs 17.8 €/FPS. Is that not a better value for nvidia

to be fair that's just comparing those two cards

[oak rivet]

sometimes you gotta do your own math if its better value for you then go for it

[fading glacier]

go 6900xt or a used 3090.... every other thing is not good value rn

4090 is terrible value btw, just like the 4080

just as rommy said

dont hype that much for the 4090, you can get a good experience at 4k with a 3080/3090 for half the price

[odd siren]

Uhhh...pcie 3? What cpu would you be pairing with the 4080?

Oh wait 4k nvm

[soft heath]

i don't think I can get a 3090 below 950

[odd siren]

It's 5am

[heady turtle]

tbf could be like a 10700 or something

[soft heath]

Germany

[odd siren]

5800x?

[fading glacier]

you need to dive into the used market

[soft heath]

yes

[heady turtle]

while US prices have been tanking, rest of the worlds market hasnt nearly as much

[fading glacier]

rn if you want best value for 4k amd is the only way, or used market

nvidia is terrible terrible at best value brand new lately\

[ivory herald]

Even less fun when the tariff thing actually happens.

[odd siren]

Specifically RT will run but you'll be otherwise bottlenecked by the cpu ngl

[soft heath]

aw man

okay

[odd siren]

What board are you running

B450?

[soft heath]

msi b550-a pro

[odd siren]

Oh that's gen 4 my boy

Not gen 3

[soft heath]

ik but i have a vertical bracket installed

[odd siren]

Ah

[soft heath]

it only does 3

[odd siren]

Well it's neither here nor there anyway

You could do 5800x3d and 4080

X3D is a significant bump in itself

4070 Ti/3090(Ti) would be fine with a 5800X tho

[soft heath]

hmm I see it ends up just being a whole new computer