graphics-cards

[lone pond]

no water block

[odd siren]

Ur blocking Alex?

[lone pond]

no dummy

[odd siren]

So no water block

?

[lone pond]

AIIIIIR i need a plaine to cool down alex

GET ME A PLAINE NOWWW

[odd siren]

Using ur asrock jones on a plane ?

[lone pond]

yessss

it makes him cooler and cooler and faster

https://tenor.com/view/wow-oh-my-god-omg-shocked-surprised-gif-15089848

that's what the people will do when they see this master piece

[odd siren]

How much faster is asrock jones over alex jones

[lone pond]

1% faster

we need to be better

[lone pond]

now he is 10% slower I NEEEDS YOUR HELP

[odd siren]

Overclock him sum more

[lone pond]

THAT WONT WORK [WINDY] WE NEED MORE POWAAAER!!!

He Died....

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

It Was To Much

.R.I.P.

[brisk horizon]

@odd siren I pulled the trigger on the Asrock 6950 xt...✅ and then saw an email offer from eBay for $700 for a used rog strix 6900 XT. edit: The rog strix is beast and I was watching them earlier this year but couldn't pull the trigger for $1200-1500+. I think the asrock is better buy over a used card...

I think the holiday return policy says this item is non-returnable... Sooo... I'm buying a new case if it doesn't fit the meshify

[fading glacier]

oc formula is a beast as well

[brisk horizon]

The card fits without the bottom front fan. The card fans can probably pull air thru the front panel but it will run a little warm, so I should start looking for a new mid-tower case that can hold a 330mm+GPU with fans on the front panel

[livid idol]

I still suggest fractal pop air, decent priced midrange case and plenty of GPU room

[heady turtle]

Unless they need an external drive port or want the funky colours I'd recommend either the focus 2 of the g360a instead

[livid idol]

How much GPU clearance does the g360a have?

[odd siren]

Something ridiculous like 400mm iirc

[heady turtle]

Up to 400mm ye

[odd siren]

It's actually exactly 400mm

Wtf my memory

[heady turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-super-smart-not-dumbt-all-spongebob-worship-gif-15742321

[livid idol]

That'll work then

[ivory herald]

For comparison my RC690 w/ hdd cage "modded" out probably does have 430ish mm of room considering psu length and room for 2x140mm fans. old midtowers are fairly spacious considering the cd bays at the top, which have a fan up there for a nice literal wind tunnel towards cpu.

[hasty monolith]

who uses cd bays anymore

[fading glacier]

🖐️

[hasty monolith]

just brought my new gpu 6800xt merc319

though wont arrive til 2nd half on january but i really dont care

[ivory herald]

More like who uses their brain anymore. Actually the big thing is my specific case had room for 4 cd drives, or 1 drive & a fan. Might want to pop in a dvd that's also not "online". Adaptable is good. Tbh that's just my 3770 setup currently and the 3080 + 12600k/12700k setup will be caseless for a bit until I decide.

[livid idol]

Me. They're useful on older PCs, office PCs with tight security, and there's useful add-ons you can put in extra slots like fan/rgb controllers and extra USB ports.

[fading glacier]

cd bays are more useful than you think @hasty monolith

still relevant for office work

[hot bough]

RTX 5000?

[fading glacier]

are you going to plan for the 14900k+5090 now? 😛

[graceful flicker]

That’s just gonna melt your pc

It’s going to turn into a kiln

[fading glacier]

too soon for that

we know next to nothing on both

at least we know about the 14th gen.... everything about the 50 series is a big rumor with no basis for now

[livid idol]

What we know about 14th gen is really weird. Intel is having trouble with their new chiplet tile design. We're looking at an i7 with 6p8e so far. They wanted to do 8p16e but their process is having issues.

[fading glacier]

yeah no i9 nor i5 this time

will be hard to sell an i7 with 6p8e

gotta love tho the amount of misinformation the techtubers are creating to clickbait people

with the rtx50 series

[livid idol]

No there's an i5 I saw

Just no i9

[fading glacier]

probably missed that one

[livid idol]

We're also not expecting 14th gen until 2024, 2023 for laptops

Zen 4 3D is going to be a fierce competitor if that's the case

[wicked hound]

inb4 11900k definitive edition. i9 = barely OCed i7

[hot bough]

Nah, just curious. Already ordered half the parts.

Waiting for next payment to buy the CPU and Mobo.

[fading glacier]

😛 nice to hear that pal

still 14th gen and 50 series are way off... like mid 2024

14th gen rumors point as delayed and the gpu cycle is usually 18 months so so

[rancid hill]

.-.

._.

[cedar comet]

anyone happen to have some insight into why my gpu seems like it's filled with molasses out of nowhere

i have this as reference

[ivory herald]

Don't ever use UBM.

[cedar comet]

i just needed something to confirm i wasn't losing my mind

[fading glacier]

if you smoke or vape near your pc then the fans will suck that into your hardware

[cedar comet]

i do neither, but even if i did i regularly use compressed air to clean the fans

[fading glacier]

aromatic candles have the same effect 😛

[livid idol]

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[livid idol]

Never hurts to run when having weird problems

[cedar comet]

I'll give that a try, thanks

just very confused. I've been playing halo on this pc for months and never had any problems(other than the fact that i need to disable my second monitor and put my main one into 1080 and have all settings on low, but it's a 1660 so i'm not expecting the world)

and recently i get stutter in virtually every game i play, it's intermittent and not constant but in an fps it's mind numbingly frustrating

i also used to be able to have games like sea of thieves at a decent setting, mid to high, and now everything needs to be on low quality

worried the cards just dying

[livid idol]

Possible but unlikely

More likely a recent update corrupted something and ddu will help

[cedar comet]

i very much hope so, gonna give it a go now. thank you for that i wasn't even aware of it

[livid idol]

That's why we're here 👍

[heady turtle]

It's completely useles

!ubm

[dreamy dragon]

`UserBenchmark is NOT a reliable source of information and has been blanket banned in many hardware communities such as r/hardware and r/intel for what started as an anti-AMD bias but has spiraled into delusion.

In fact, they tried so hard to skew results in favor of Intel's midrange that they even cannibalized Intel's own high end. For example, according to UserBenchmark, the i3-9350K is rated higher than the i9-10980XE.

For a similarly convenient quick-and-dirty hardware comparison website, we recommend using PassMark instead of UserBenchmark.

PassMark CPU comparison: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
PassMark GPU comparison: https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php
Want to know more?: https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg`

[heady turtle]

If tou want something for comparison check the other sites

[cedar comet]

dang wasn't aware of all that, thanks for the information

just ran ddu and am installing drivers now

heres hoping

[livid idol]

1660 has been around long enough and is low range enough that the results will be skewed by all the overclockers also

[cedar comet]

i figured as much

but something really felt wrong when i did that myself and was still getting the same issues after about a dozen and a half different tweaks

[livid idol]

A better test would be running time spy and comparing your results that way

[cedar comet]

i was on the verge of installing csgo

but after i had the same issues in about 5 different games i figured it was a bigger issue than halo being the most unoptimized game in existence

well it would appear ddu broke rtx voice which i couldn't give a rats ass about if it means i can play my games again

i assume that'd be fixed with a reinstall anyway

[heady turtle]

Yes it breaks it because it uninstalls it it basically deletes anything that says Nvidia etc

[graceful flicker]

the 1660 isnt that good though, yeah?

wasnt it just made for vr support

[livid idol]

It was supposed to be a cut down 2060 without ray tracing and nvenc

[graceful flicker]

lol

weird card tbh

[hasty monolith]

is 3dmarks a good place to test new gpu benchmarks?

[heady turtle]

not really is was a great budget card

[heady turtle]

ye just make sure you select one gpu, sort my graphics settings and use the leaderboard

[hasty monolith]

just tested with placeholder gpu -rx 560 2gb until i get my 6800xt next month. do i need full version of demo is good enough?

[cedar comet]

i got it for free so meh. had a 1050ti and it's a bit better than that so it'll hold me over till i can get a decent 30 series

[graceful flicker]

ah thats cool

[hasty monolith]

gl with that. decent could mean 3090ti lol

[graceful flicker]

what

i think he just means like a 3060 or smtn

[cedar comet]

im shooting for a 3060ti

don't really need more than that tbh

[cedar comet]

buttery. f'in. smooth.

i love you thank you so much

[fading glacier]

3090ti aint decent, is a bad deal

when you think about it, any nvidia card is a bad deal rn, unless used

[wicked hound]

"till i can get a decent 30 series" implies one is talking about performance, not perf/$. GIven a 3090Ti is like 65% perf of a 4090, and prolly ~60% of a 4090Ti (if you care about future releases of a generation being taken into consideration for tiering), pretty much makes a 3090Ti a mid end card. Sadly Nvidia is going to BS their way to the moon and pretend that their 4060Ti is a 4070Ti, so it'll still be considered "high" end to Nvidia fans.

[graceful flicker]

nah bro 3090ti goofy asf

please only get a 4090

otherwise you are just trolling

[idle idol]

dealing with hardship with raytracing on a RX 6600

[fading glacier]

you shouldn't go raytracing on a 6600 😛

any rt below 3080 is a serious tank in performance

[idle idol]

I am tempted of picking up a 3070

tbh

[ivory herald]

At $350ish it would be a decent value. I see plenty on Ebay for barely more than some 60 ti's.

[wicked hound]

I mean also, Bedrock has pretty poor perf now. On java with fabric perf mods and shaders I managed to get better perf then Vanilla Bedrock. Would probably have a better time with java tbf, plus shaders just are kinda better on java.

[livid idol]

Minecraft is the only reason Java still exists

[oak rivet]

Settings are for modern games defined here as AAA titles released in the last 2-3 years. GPUs are the lowest-end markers for each 60fps (frames per second) tier.
Non-ray traced ("raster") gaming:
2160p60 16:9 High settings- Enthusiast (6800 XT / 3080+)
1440p60 16:9 High settings- High end (2070 S / 6600 XT+)
1080p60 16:9 High settings- Mid range (5600 XT / 1080+)
1080p60 16:9 Low/med settings- Low end (1060 6GB / 980 Ti / RX580 8GB+)

This next list leans towards a heavier ray traced experience, assuming the user is interested in any amount of RT future-proofing:
2160p60 16:9 High settings- Enthusiast (4090+)
1440p60 16:9 High settings- High end (3080 Ti / 7900 XTX+)
1080p60 16:9 High settings- Mid range (3070 Ti / 6900 XT+)
1080p60 16:9 Low/med settings- Low end (2070 S / ArcA750 / 6750XT+)

Would you guys believe this to be ideal for each scenario

[fading glacier]

Rt future proofing? Ok thats new

[vital oriole]

rt future proofing is just a meme atm

since every gen rt seems to have massive jumps

[rancid hill]

what

I wouldn’t really see 6900xt as a 1080p card at all but maybe I read that WRONG

[vital oriole]

it's with rt on

[rancid hill]

Ohh ok yeah that makes sense

[vital oriole]

which is also a bad recc imo

rt still in its infancy

[rancid hill]

It’s playable

[keen nacelle]

who would buy a 6900xt to run at 1080p just to be able to use rtx over 1440p

[rancid hill]

ngl

I never really thought 6800xt was predominately a 4k card

[vital oriole]

besides who uses rt on lower settings lmao

it's useless weight for the gpu to pull

[keen nacelle]

6800xt is a 1440p card

[vital oriole]

heavier than running the game maxed out while looking worse

[keen nacelle]

it's fine at 4k, but i still say that 4k is a meme on anything but 4080/4090/7900xtx

[rancid hill]

3080ti/3090/90ti and 6950xt can handle 4k decently

[keen nacelle]

i mean

even with those you have the drop settings to hit 60 fps in some scenarios

not including ray tracing

[rancid hill]

I don’t really think it’s worth upgrading If you have one of these cards though

[vital oriole]

yeah no, not at all

dropping another 1k for a marginally better gpu

[keen nacelle]

people who have money pouring out their ass still will

[vital oriole]

that's just steep

but ^

[keen nacelle]

or people who just enjoy wasting money

even though they don't have it to spare

two people in this server I can think of

[rancid hill]

Next upgrade is worth it when switching to 8k is popular

[keen nacelle]

i dont think that will be for a while

[rancid hill]

probably either next gen or the gen after

[keen nacelle]

partially due to 8k high refresh not even existing

[rancid hill]

That’s true

Didn’t think about that

[vital oriole]

4k high refresh has only existed recently

[keen nacelle]

wouldnt surprise me if people are running 4090 at 8k60hz

i doubt they're even getting 60 fps tbh lmao

[rancid hill]

^

[keen nacelle]

maybe with dlss 3.0

[rancid hill]

I would never want to play with 60hz

Ain’t a chance

[faint kindle]

Definitely not but if it’s 8K it’d be cool to see

[heady turtle]

8k is a pointless Res tbh I don't see things going over 4/6k

At the point where 8k is actually higher ppi than a 4k display you'd want to sit further away from it to see the full screen which means you won't notice as much so you should just get 4k

[livid idol]

60hz is fine for cinematic games like Assassin's Creed. Most single player games for that matter.

[normal hawk]

If your screen is really good(4k) and you use DLSS or FSR at the distance for 4k theres less of a difference between 1080p and 4k than you'd notice.

its the same situation as 4k on an 8k monitor with the same settings

But in 8k's its even worse because very few games actually have 8k textures

[heady turtle]

Huh?

I'm think your misunderstanding my point

also eh DLSS is almost flawless i have never noticed a difference on native and DLSS at 1440p performance

which is the recommended 4k setting

still thats a rendering issue not a PPI type issue

[normal hawk]

I'm saying you won't notice a difference lul

1080p upscaled to 4k and 4k upscaled to 8k.

Unless you were like analyzing things you will not notice.

[heady turtle]

Oh i see

[fading glacier]

👀

still we missed the point

i want to rt future proof my gaming experience 👀

[orchid loom]

I love RT

I turn it on in all my games

[fading glacier]

need a 6900xt for 1080p experience with rt future proofing

your 6600 will die in a heartbeat

[orchid loom]

Let it suffer

[fading glacier]

[jaunty dome]

I’m looking at getting a 3070, is getting a refurbished/ open box worth it? Or should I wait for a new one instock

[livid idol]

Refurb is fine depending on who is selling it

I'd honestly just buy used off eBay at that point though. There's lots of 3070s for around $350.

[hasty monolith]

should i use use sam with my 5600/6800xt at 1440p/4k ultra?

[jaunty dome]

I was looking at the ones shipped directly from Newegg

[ivory herald]

Anything over $430ish is a pass from me, considering 3060 ti msrp was only $400 & what a used 3070/3080 goes for lately.

[livid idol]

There's no reason not to at this point, there's a lot more games where you get benefits and less where there's a penalty by now

[hasty monolith]

is it ok that i use pbo the cpu and xmp/amd equivalent the ram?

[livid idol]

All that is fine

[hasty monolith]

sam does a penalty?

[livid idol]

Only in very specific games and it's only 2% max

[hasty monolith]

thx. i wasnt sure. since this is first pc build.

now comes waiting. 6800xt wont arrive til january lol

[jaunty dome]

Is the peladn 3070 worth looking into?

[fading glacier]

no

[ivory herald]

If pato or anyone remembers my gpu search talk, changed to 3070 hunt because $300ish vs $500ish is a pretty moderate difference right now. Plus, still 70% or so better than the 1080 & not such a big wattage increase.

[livid idol]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295432927411

[sage kiln]

Hello every one which GPU works the best with Ryzen 7 5800X ?

[odd siren]

Would pair anything up to like a 3090 @ 1440p with that one

/6900XT

[fading tide]

Hello, I got my husband a computer for Christmas and we’re having GPU issues. I’ve tried updating the drivers, rolling back the drivers, discharging excess static electricity and reseating the GPU. We continue to get the same error (Code 43) for the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070.

[fading tide]

Any tips? Ideas? At this point I’m thinking our best option is to return it for new.

[odd siren]

Try ddu?

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[fading tide]

Shoot. It didn’t work. Did the DDU, then reinstalled the drivers and rebooted and still seeing the same error. I think it might be a bigger issue. When I disable and enable the driver again then the whole computer goes black. But it’s not rebooting. I have to hard reset the computer to get it to shut down and come back up again.

[fading tide]

Likely just a bad part.

I’m just going to return the thing. I’ve exhausted all reasonable tech troubleshooting on a brand new device and don’t want to miss my return window. Thanks for the help!

[hasty sphinx]

Are you by chance using a riser cable?

Looking online, it seems people using riser cables are reporting the error as well as others are reporting that some software on their PC is causing the error.

[sacred cargo]

Hello there guys! Finally looking to replace my ancient 1060 3GB with something shinier for next year in the 300-400 range

Purely for gaming, no professional work

I'll be playing God of War and mostly FromSoft titles on Steam

My CPU is a 5800x, and 16GB of RAM

[keen nacelle]

6700xt or 6750xt

[sacred cargo]

How much VRAM should I be looking to get? That part always confused me

[keen nacelle]

Vram doesn't dictate performance, it can limit a gpu but even 6gb is sufficient for gaming right now

8gb will last a while

[hot bough]

Vram usage also varies by the res your playing at right?

Cause at max settings on Halo Infinite 1080p, it uses about 6gb of vram but in review videos when they upped the resolution it went closer to 8gb.

[sacred cargo]

For bog standard 1080p gaming, 6GB is good gotcha

And @keen nacelle what's the advantage of the 6700xt to what Nvidia has in the same price range?

Sorry for the noob q's but really appreciate your answers, guys!

[keen nacelle]

6700xt is a but cheaper than 3060 ti for almost 3070 tier performance

[sacred cargo]

Lovely! Thank you so much!

[fading tide]

Oh interesting, I did not see a riser cable, no.

[odd siren]

Curious, is GPU-Z a good way to check if these new XTX cards are using A0 silicon?

Cos mine's reporting "C8"

AMD has said this prefetcher stuff is a non-issue but I'm still curious if there's a simple way to know lol

[sonic mural]

Just ask it nicely

[odd siren]

[lone pond]

is Peladn good?

[hot bough]

How many watts do you guys suppose the Titan GPU would consume?

[graceful flicker]

im gonna buy corsair fans

because i want all my rgb to be in one place

[hot bough]

I feel you there lmao.

It gets hectic once you are past 3 RGB softwares.

[graceful flicker]

ahahhahaha its going to be 160

mmm

ok fine\

as long as they arent $30 a fan

i need 4

[hot bough]

Usually about $10 per pop.

[graceful flicker]

fans frickin suck

im gonna pay $20 for an rgb exhaust

smh

[hot bough]

Still better than $30/fan.

[graceful flicker]

i guess

like my fans are fine

but i want rgb

it will look so nice

[hot bough]

It keeps your computer from being a useless piece of junk, so kinda a necessity.

[graceful flicker]

i meant fan prices

[hot bough]

The Arctic p12/P14s have an RGB version.

[graceful flicker]

i did not mean fans themselves

[livid idol]

No more than 700W overclocked, the dual 16 pin is more for stability and safety

[odd siren]

They can't get that titan to use more without melting basically

[graceful flicker]

actually

im not buying new fans

im just buying a new case

they will come with fans

[hot bough]

Oh, hahahaha I feel you there. The fans I purchased a few days ago costed a crud ton.

[graceful flicker]

yes and i dont have money

i would like to get more ram, but it was $70 for 2 dimms so not gonna happen

but what i really need is a new gpu lol

thats all i really need

my gtx 1080 is nice though

[hot bough]

Because during the testing phases the connectors melted due to all the power right.

[odd siren]

No the pcb

[livid idol]

No they had trouble cooling more than that

[odd siren]

The pcb itself

[hot bough]

Oh damn.

[odd siren]

The connectors can do over 1500W when seated correctly

I think it was zotac that validated that

[hot bough]

Lmao, do you guys think a 13900K and Titan GPU can run off a RM1000x?

[odd siren]

No

Also, no you don't need one

[livid idol]

Not overclocked

[odd siren]

Titan is going to be an insane price if it ever exists

[livid idol]

I doubt it'll exist

[odd siren]

I also don't believe the renders they look sus as hell

[livid idol]

Just proof of concept stuff right now

[odd siren]

I can believe it existing but not based on what's been shown

I also see that thing costing a fortune over the 4090

[hot bough]

I am curious as to what the perf will be like.

[odd siren]

It would be full AD102

[hot bough]

Cause didn't someone say it'd be around 2x the perf of the 4090?

True 8k gaming perf lmao.

[livid idol]

Titans can be, historically, over $5k

[odd siren]

I had to dig for that one

It wouldn't be 2x perf

Try ~10% better @hot bough if it was the full die

If they increased the bus width and improved the 6x bandwidth you'd see a little more

[livid idol]

Right, because the 4090 already is a partially disabled die so if the titan used the same, fully enabled die plus all the extra power available, maybe double the vram to increase bus size, it could be as much as 30-40% in my estimation

They'd have to do a dual gpu card to do double performance

But SLI is dead so that won't happen

[odd siren]

Which they couldn't

Even on the same pcb

Would unalive itself

[livid idol]

Previous dual gpu cards needed SLI or Crossfire to use the full board capability

[odd siren]

Double vram wouldn't really do anything it's be more the speed of it and the bus width that would give a decent gain

So if we said, say, 512bit bus

Then the memory up to 24gbps

[livid idol]

Right but it would be easy to double density and speed using GDDR6W from Samsung in a smaller package size from old GDDR6

[odd siren]

The die can fit 48gbps by spec tho

Hang on lemme grab my pcb shots

[livid idol]

Have you seen that one yet? The GDDR6W?

[odd siren]

Ye

One sec

[heady turtle]

Best way is sending them to me for inspection i swear I'll mail them back

[odd siren]

Yeah so looking at ampere, this rear pcb layout looks very similar if they just wanted to slap another 12 chips on

So they'd be using more 6X not 6W

If they used the same pcb

[hot bough]

I wonder, why is it 2 GPUs can't be made to run as a single unit for all apps?

Software?

[odd siren]

They can, just devs don't bother with it anymore

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

I don't remember, does Linux support E-Cores?

[odd siren]

Not sure

@heady turtle @livid idol if I can manage 100C mem temp on my card and the memory heatsink and backplate are hot as heck, should I repaste?

[livid idol]

Rudimentary support yes, it's not as advanced as the MS thread scheduler

[livid idol]

Repad, yes

[odd siren]

Aaaaa I don't wanna do

:PANIK:

[hot bough]

Does the LT720 come with thermal paste? I forgot to check.

[livid idol]

Yes some people reported it's pre-applied too

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

Man I can't wait for all my parts to arrive.

[heady turtle]

Repad and or just loosen and tighten the backplate screws sometimes

[wicked hound]

Quite unlikely tbf. >384bit bus hasnt happened for Nvidia GDDR GPUs in a longggg time. It'd prolly result in a die redesign as AD102 prolly cant do >384bit bus. The easy way is to just do 24Gbps GDDR6X instead of 21.5Gbps GDDR6X. Would result in ~11.6% more bandwidth. Full die would result in 12.5% more SMs. Both upgrade would result in prolly 5% - 10% more perf.

[graceful flicker]

hello

[random walrus]

I hate how so many people are overreacting to the 1650 taking over the 1060 in the steam hardware survey

Take a look at the gaming laptop market for a few years before the 3050 existed and it's so obvious why the 1650 is such a high percentage

[heady turtle]

Did people really care lol?

They're in the sameish range of perf and was a huge seller and still kinda new

[random walrus]

Yeah people are like WhY dOeS tHe NeW MoST PoPuLar caRd HaVe LesS VrAm?!?

[random walrus]

Also I think 1060 6gb is a decent bit better

[wicked hound]

I mean, to regress in raster perf over 3 years or whatever is pretty much a meme.

[heady turtle]

They're both a little bit better but like cloe enough

[random walrus]

1060 6g seems to be at least 15% faster, guessing 3gb variant is the one that's really close to 1650?

[heady turtle]

4gb ram is fine for 1080p low also

[wicked hound]

Dont forget it's 1650, not 1650S

[heady turtle]

It's hard to gauge kinda but both 1060s are a bit better

Yes yes

But like 10-15% or so

[wicked hound]

Ignoring mobile stuff, 1650 wasnt really that great

[heady turtle]

Don't get my started on low end mobile

When 1660 ti's are cheaper than 3050s

[odd siren]

Ffs

Just wasted a ton of K5 for nothing

Temps are worse

This poor tuf card

It's hitting 100C AGAIN REEEEEE

I literally have K5 flooding out the sides around the pads

I don't remember it being this bad before

I'm not exactly rushing the mount, being very careful with the spreading

My core+hotspot is 5C worse and mem temps are unchanged

@heady turtle @livid idol bad techies

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-screaming-confused-confused-screaming-gif-15736028

[odd siren]

And you know what I agree, I don't feel like they'd go through a 3090 Ti and a 4090 pcb revision just to not use the full thing for a larger die titan

[heady turtle]

did you screw it evenly n stuff?

[odd siren]

I don't know much about bus width stuff so more an off-hand comment

Yes

[heady turtle]

skill issue?

[odd siren]

I did it so carefully I took that whole time

[livid idol]

Huh? I just got home what's going on

[odd siren]

2 hours

Repad did nothing Fal

[livid idol]

Then you used the wrong size pads

[odd siren]

I can't with K5 pro

Impossible

Lol

Original pads are destroyed so can't use those either, it is just a ripw

[livid idol]

I'm not familiar with the K5 pro so I can't really comment on that

[odd siren]

I can't even blame the k5 for it cos I managed like 75C mem hotspot on the 3080 and like sub 70's on the 4090

[odd siren]

It's just suffering

I ain't actually mad

[heady turtle]

its that thermal paste type stuff LTT showed off a while ago

[livid idol]

Yeah I looked it up, interesting stuff

[odd siren]

Yeah Alex from LTT was a moron with it, it's good stuff

If you're careful too it's not too messy but you'll never leave a pcb totally clean after

[odd siren]

Yesssss

YESSSS

It's the case fans

REEEEEEEE

IT'S THE CASE FANSSS

92C now

Yeeted the rad fans and now it's 10C better

Core temps 5C better

Ok time to get rid of the EK's

[heady turtle]

Told you you had skill issue

Also easy fix : slap fan on backplate ez

[odd siren]

I'm not gonna do backplate fan

But note for the masses, EK aio fans are kinda terrible at low rpm

I bumped them from 900-ish to 1400rpm and that much temp change happened

But also loooouuuudddd lmfao

[wicked hound]

EK fans are typically not known to be good in noise normalized perf

[graceful flicker]

guys my hyper 212 is totally fine with my cpu

i dont know why it would be hitting limits of 95C like one user said

[orchid loom]

🤔

[vital oriole]

are we gonna have another case of hyper 212 believer lmao

[hasty sphinx]

You probably aren't putting a very heavy load on the cpu if that 212 is keeping it cool.

[vital oriole]

^

Or you just ran it stock power limit

Which you're missing out on perf kek

[hasty sphinx]

If that's the case, you prob could have saved a ton of $ and got a 12400 or even 12100

[vital oriole]

It's like running 12700K at 12400 speeds

[graceful flicker]

no no no

its bad

but im not overheating

[vital oriole]

well yeah, that's good for just stock power limit

[graceful flicker]

hmm

ill see

idk

[vital oriole]

with better cooling you'll get the full perf it could give

[graceful flicker]

that will be nice

but i dont have the money for an aio right now

i need to buy an aio and then buy a new graphics card

[vital oriole]

if it's working fine then i would get a gpu first

then get an aio

[wicked hound]

My 212 cools my OCed 0P + 1E core 13900k just fine, wat you talking about???

[orchid loom]

Stop trolling the kid

[oak rivet]

thought this is was graphics card and not cpu

[odd siren]

Anything can be a graphics card

With the power of Play-Doh in your hands anything is possible

[graceful flicker]

is this a scam

[trim crow]

hi i want to get a graphics card for my pc but i have no idea where to start

[livid idol]

What's your budget and country?

And what do you have currently?

[trim crow]

no budget, usa, im not sure ill send a ss of what it says

[livid idol]

No budget? 4090. You can find them around $2300 right now.

[odd siren]

With a good psu*

[trim crow]

oh! okay i didnt know it was that easy thank you

[livid idol]

Yeah he's right though, you'll want a top tier 850W power supply for that as well

[trim crow]

my pc was prebuilt so idek what my power supply is
if i open my pc will i be abble to see how many watts

[odd siren]

Should be able to see the model name and wattage

[livid idol]

Yes, there's a label on it that'll say everything, model number etc

[odd siren]

It'll also matter what cpu you have and what resolution you play at

[livid idol]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BGJRHX1X + https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rme-series-rm850e-850-w/p/N82E16817139301 =

[ivory herald]

Thnx to people upgrading there's many used top end 30 series for under $900, lol. Better not have 1080p for that 4090.

[trim crow]

thank you guys!!

[oak rivet]

do wonder if tiny tinas wonderland can max it out at 1080p

coz 3090ti was maxed out at 1080p in that game

[livid idol]

Reviewer reported no cpu bottleneck so I assume that would mean a gpu bottleneck, unless it's another part

[lone pond]

Hey, I have a question I am building a SFF PC with the 7600x and 7900xtx will the SF750 be enough for my build. 32GB Ram, 2 NVME M.2 and a 240AIO

[heady turtle]

I'd get an 850 unit like the
Cooler Master V850 SFX gold or evga 850w gm

[lone pond]

if i went with 7900xt which i might a 750 is good then

[heady turtle]

Was better going with a 7900xtx there's a pretty big perf difference

[lone pond]

the SF750 i would think with a 7600x should be enough

its actually better the CM and EVGA PSU

[oak rivet]

It should actually be fine

People have done 12400 and 3080ti sff builds with that psu

[heady turtle]

Sf750 isn't better they're both around the same perf and 850w is an extra 100w

Plus I'd get a different cpu

[lone pond]

SF750 can pull close to 920w

before OC trips

Quieter

[odd siren]

SF 750 will be alright but I wouldn't use a 7600X

You could manage a 12600K/13600K for most of the same price

Tho a new i5 might be pushing it what with the XTX basically running 500-550W with the constant spikes

[vital oriole]

would wait for 13600 maybe?

[cerulean rover]

120% margins are pretty normal, v sfx gold 750 does 880w before tripping, and it's not that good of a thing, protection mechanisms are in place for a reason.

If you're that set on sf750, just know lot 194448 to 201148 have problems and Corsair is conducting an optional replacement

[oak rivet]

Yes it's easy to max out gpus in that game

[cerulean rover]

Also, while SF is better than GM, V sfx gold and SF are approx the same quality

[ivory herald]

Possibly locked SA like the 12400/12500 would personally make me lean towards 12600K & forget the extra 4 Ecores from 13600K.

[heady turtle]

That's assuming below 13600k actually has 12th gen cores that's only been a rumour

[ivory herald]

I did say possibly. Suppose we'll find out pretty soon huh. I resisted the urge to get a used 12600K so far. I really should confirm the 12400T & mobo totally works.

[oak rivet]

Hmmm wonder what fps of those T sku cpus are like

[heady turtle]

Probs close enough to a 12100 in games as single core perf wouldn't likely change that much with less wattage

Nvidias CES announcement has been confirmed for 3rd Jan @ 8am PT

👀

[oak rivet]

[heady turtle]

Lol

[little tangle]

Should I buy a Gpu that is brand new or a used GPU that is like new ?

[little tangle]

Thx

[random walrus]

might check ebay as well

there's a ton of those dell 3060tis going for ~300usd

oem card but it does have 2 fans and a decent looking heatsink with a passthrough backplate

[lone pond]

can someone find me a 3060 for 300-450

[cerulean rover]

prob just go for the 3060ti for 420$
https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8

[heady turtle]

Or gigabyte 6750xt for 400$ assuming you're in the US

[lone pond]

thx

[lone pond]

yeh i’m in the us

[livid idol]

3060 ti would probably do ray tracing better but 6750 will do almost everything else better

[wicked hound]

Also worth noting that RT on a 3060Ti isnt really useful anyways, so I generally wouldnt really worry about RT issues anyways.

[livid idol]

Fair point

[random walrus]

I've been playing the raytraced Metro Exodus on my 3060ti and it works pretty well

[livid idol]

It could RT at 60 fps on 1080p with DLSS on

[random walrus]

Not many games utilize it enough for it to be a selling point

[livid idol]

Indeed it's still effectively in it's infancy.

[random walrus]

1440p with Quality dlss, med/high game settings is 60 fps in outdoor scenes and more indoors

[wicked hound]

I mean, MEEE is like one of the two games with a good DXR implementation.

[livid idol]

The 3060 is starting to catch up to the 1060/1650 as the most common GPU on the Steam survey so hopefully we get more and better RT implementations

[random walrus]

imo Tensor is more of a selling point than rtx

[wicked hound]

DLSS and DLDSR are pretty nice. Tho it can be concerning for game devs to just rely on it for lack of optimization (which with the trend of bad game releases now-a-days, doesnt make me feel confident this wont happen).

[hasty monolith]

my displayport cable died on me. is there a specific type of dp cable i should get? im getting a 6800xt next month.

[oak rivet]

Ngl metro exodus cheats a lot with how it uses ray tracing

Playing it realised why it's soo much easier to run then cyberpunk with rt or portal rtx

https://youtu.be/sJ8Wa-9uqH4

tim mentioned in the vid how dlss seems to be better at lower resolutions like 1080p but fsr and dlss get much closer at higher resolutions like 4k

seems like a good conclusion to sum it up

[random walrus]

?

They fully rebuild every environment to be used specifically with raytracing and you say they're cheating?

[oak rivet]

its very hybrid if you compare it to something like portal rtx

[random walrus]

To be clear, we're talking about the PC Enhanced edition

[oak rivet]

Metro exodus uses spacial probes and isn't path traced

[random walrus]

well if it looks as good as it does and runs over 2x faster than portal rtx i honestly dont care if they "technically didn't use raytracing"

[wicked hound]

Recursive RTing isnt exactly super easy either. Also just cuz it isnt PTed doesnt mean it isnt RTed. Either way, hybrid is part of the reason that makes MEEE actually have a good RT implantation. We are still many generations away from budget mid end GPUs doing pure RT/PT.

[fading glacier]

[hasty monolith]

Which is better dp 1.4 with dsc or hdmi 2.1?

[odd siren]

2.1

DSC is sacrificing quality using compression

[livid idol]

Only if it's true hdmi 2.1 and not "2.1" that's really 2.0

[wicked hound]

Not to mention DSC is sometimes buggy. Random features can just fail to work.

Off the top of my head, Nvidia Surround (thing for making one game use multiple monitors) doesnt work with DSC.

[ivory herald]

I sure do like DisplayPort. At each "tier", it's not even close. My hdmi use is only (older) tv/monitor sometimes, or after using all DP ports.

[hasty monolith]

my 6800xt has hdmi 2.1 and my monitor is 4k144 m28u with 2 hdmi 2.1 ports. both ports work with my xbox series x at 4k120

[hasty monolith]

plus dp 2.0 is only currently used by 40 series and 7000 gpus atm

[livid idol]

Didn't they use DP 2.1 on Radeon 7000? And Nvidia still has 1.4 on 40 series

[hasty monolith]

oh

@livid idol what u mean by true 2.1?

[livid idol]

The organization that certifies parts for HDMI compatibility allows manufacturers to call ports 2.1 when they only work up to 2.0 bandwidth

Which is very anti consumer but what can we do except look at reviews

[hasty monolith]

so im good right? m28u can do 4k120 via hdmi 2.1 on both hdmi 2.1 ports with my series x

[livid idol]

Yep M28U is true 2.1 and can do its full rated 4k 144hz on HDMI

[hasty monolith]

thanks. wasnt sure which to use 2.1 or dp. now to get another hdmi 2.1 cable

[fading glacier]

40 series is handicapped at dp 1.4

[lone pond]

has anyone reported melting cables with the 4080? does it also have the issue?

[plucky gyro]

anybody have any ideas why my screen sorts of lags when I do certain things after upgrading my gpu?

upgraded from a 2060 to a 6700 XT but im experiencing some sort of lag that i never had before

[keen nacelle]

have you ddued?

[plucky gyro]

yea i used it to remove all the nvidia stuff and download radeon software after

[oak rivet]

Is it really handicapped

It can be argued that the cards are not powerful enough to always need more then dp 1.4

[livid idol]

Yes, considering the most you can do with DP 1.4 is 4k 120hz without compression. The 4090 can get 4k 240 fps in a lot of games with (or sometimes without) DLSS.

[fading glacier]

the issue was solved before the 4080 launched, most if not all the cases were due to user error anyway

[fading glacier]

not powerful enough for the benchmark games, but any other game lower than that is handicapped cause the 1.4

the benchmark games are not the only ones that people play

while the xtx is less powerful than a 4090, games can go beyond the 4k/120hz on dp 2.0... just the most intensive games cant even do 80 fps on 4k

[livid idol]

"User error" combined with a poor design really

[fading glacier]

also this is a poor excuse from a manufacturer standpoint on a halo card

a terrible one i might add

[livid idol]

Yeah really, what's their excuse for not putting the latest tech on a card that regularly costs over $2k

[oak rivet]

This was linus point in the 7900xtx short-circuit vid

Where he said 7900xtx has the latest dp stuff

But is the card truly powerful enough to take advantage of it

[livid idol]

In a lot of games yes

[fading glacier]

it is

[oak rivet]

Seems like your ultimate cod bro gpu then

[fading glacier]

you are just comparing a 4090 with a xtx, which is not the right comparison.... you should see performance on 4k overall

while the 4090 manage a lot more fps, it is limited by the 1.4, the xtx manage less fps, but at least it can show more than 120fps

whats the point of having 180 fps vs 150fps

when the 4090 can only show 120 and the xtx can show all of the 150?

thats the point

[oak rivet]

Guess gotta wait for next year games to comes which are mostly ditching last gen consoles

[fading glacier]

you have a beast of a gpu, but you handicapped your own halo product

[oak rivet]

The extra muscle of 4090 should really start showing there

[fading glacier]

extra muscle or not, the limiting factor is still on the hardware itself

the xtx have a lot more room to grow on raster, just by beign dp 2.0

while nvidia failed at that

[oak rivet]

[fading glacier]

everyone and their grandmas acknowledge that the fatal flaw on the 4090 was the wonderful decision of using 1.4

[vital oriole]

i was surprised to see that 40 series still had dp 1.4

[fading glacier]

Lets says that the 4090 is ok as long as you dont go beyond 120fps on 4k... cause no game can go beyond that on 4k anyway

[oak rivet]

Well the point is correct could probably throw that in there as it is a 1600$ gpu

How much extra would it be cost wise

[fading glacier]

tbf no 40 series card should have 1.4, not even the 60 class.... because that is stagnation in my opinion

even if you wont use it, it should have 2.0

[vital oriole]

^

the year is 2022 lol

i don't see the point of output being limited

[rustic pulsar]

any chance of a "4090 V2" with DP 2.0

[livid idol]

We still don't even have a 4070 yet lol, ""4070 ti"" comes next month

[rustic pulsar]

lol

dp 1.4 is 4k 120hz right?

[livid idol]

1.4 is

[livid idol]

See here

[rustic pulsar]

typo my bad

[livid idol]

Ah yeah np

[rustic pulsar]

120 is fine imo but thats 8 bit and (i assume) no HDR

what about 10bit 4k HDR lol cause thats what im planning on upgrading to

[livid idol]

It's funny that the HDMI port out specs the DP on the 4090

[rustic pulsar]

then im going hdmi lol

[livid idol]

DP 1.4 25.9 Gbps, HDMI 2.1 42.8 Gbps 🙃

[rustic pulsar]

any downside to HDMI?

instead of dp

[livid idol]

Not really

[rustic pulsar]

can it still do 10bit HDR

[livid idol]

Should be able to

[rustic pulsar]

nice

[livid idol]

HDR for sure because TVs that support HDR and only have HDMI 2.1 exist

And 10 bit is more of a bandwidth constraint

[rustic pulsar]

then i dont see why people are complaing about dp 1.4 and not dp 2.0. Just use HDMI... maybe if the monitor doesnt support it

[livid idol]

It's only too bad the card has only 1 HDMI port

[rustic pulsar]

ohh ok yeah

4k250 on that tho

[oak rivet]

Noticed how the ventus 3x shroud gives the assumption it is a big card but on the side it looks thin

[livid idol]

Ventus is usually like that yeah. It's their barest bones model with as little metal as they can get away with.

[vital oriole]

makes me wonder how ventus 4090 would do

but nvidia forced every aibs to actually do a decent job, so idk

fingers crossed

[livid idol]

Ventus 3070 ti was already struggling so I can only imagine

[vital oriole]

i mean even zotac 4090 is fine now

actual proper cooling

[livid idol]

Zotac was fine for 30 series too, they're just a meme

[vital oriole]

true that

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/zotac-3080-gif-18549684

[vital oriole]

1080 mini looks funny

it's tiny for a 1080

works at least

[oak rivet]

Had a zotac twin edge 1660ti

The cooling was fine

But the size was just too unsatisfying to look at

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-thats-what-she-said-gif-4084628

Yes I'm a child sometimes

[vital oriole]

we're all children sometimes

[oak rivet]

Well when I see 4090 I start chuckling like a kid

[peak hatch]

my 7900xt and 7700x build is having issues with crashing, constantly saying driver issues on witcher 3 and on spider man it's saying device hung... any help?

[civic nebula]

hello i’m looking to buy a used 3070ti and i’m talking to a guy that’s selling one, i asked him for a cpu-z a screenshot to see if the cards real and that checked out and he also sent me a 3d mark result, the graphics score was 14972 with a high of 75C for temperature

is there anything else i can ask him to make sure it’s good to get

[random walrus]

sounds fine

still good to pay using something with buyer protection

[livid idol]

Score is a tad low but that's probably not overclocked

[odd siren]

Make sure the history is genuine of them and that they let you use like PayPal goods and services (will protect you if anything is wrong)

[random walrus]

15k seems about right

[odd siren]

Yeah 15K seems right imo

18K is a normal 3080

[random walrus]

3dmark site says average 3070ti score is a 14828

[odd siren]

Yeah I just saw that

[civic nebula]

He’s living close to me he just doesn’t have a way for me to get to his space to check it out so videos is all there is, it’d be a hand off

[odd siren]

Very much a 3070 ti level of perf lol

Do goods and services

If you do cash you can't take it back

[civic nebula]

I am aware, that’s why im trying to make it as certain as possible that the cards good to go

[odd siren]

Unless he brings the whole damn pc to show you it's a 3070ti then I would take protection

Kekw

[civic nebula]

he’s provided pictures etc

[odd siren]

Anything else would be like, temps

[civic nebula]

idk what else to ask for to be sure

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-loz-legend-of-its-gif-4598758

[odd siren]

One might say one of the sticker codes that show the sku of the card

E.g ASUSTUF3080O12G

[civic nebula]

can you clarify

I have that code and it checks out with the receipt

and the card type i’m pretty sure

[odd siren]

Well then I think they've done just about enough

How much is it

[civic nebula]

520EUR which is a very good price considering he says he’s only used it for 6 months out of the year he’s had it

[odd siren]

A little high but not unreasonable

I look online in EU and I see 3070"s for 540 tho

OC 3070 ≈ 3070 Ti

[civic nebula]

from what i’ve looked around here that’s one of the best prices going around

at least comparing to buying new

[odd siren]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/DwpzK8/inno3d-geforce-rtx-3070-lhr-8-gb-twin-x2-video-card-n30702-08d6-171032lh

Not sure which country you're in but a quick glance I find this

Either way 520's not too bad considering

[civic nebula]

would this be the code you’re talking about ?

sorry for bad quality but he sent it through messenger

[vital oriole]

yep

that's the code

[civic nebula]

is 3D mark enough to cover temps or should i have him run something heavier to make sure

[vital oriole]

3dmark is fine enough as a benchmark for quick gpu testing

[odd siren]

Yep that even shows the DOM that sticker

46th week of 2021

[civic nebula]

that’s a good sign

[odd siren]

15 minutes of 3dmark on loop would be sufficient

Or heaven or furmark really

[civic nebula]

i was gonna have him run heaven too

[livid idol]

I'd be unconcerned about temps tbh since they'll vary so much by what case it's in

[odd siren]

Heaven is fine

[civic nebula]

that’s true

[odd siren]

Well sure but you don't want them to be gross

[civic nebula]

i’m just trying to be as sure as possible

[vital oriole]

the gpu is also fairly new

[civic nebula]

it doesn’t seem to be a scam but trying to make sure

[odd siren]

I myself am suffering from gross gpu temps

[livid idol]

75C is pretty normal for a Time Spy run, I'd call that good personally but feel free to dig more

[odd siren]

75C hotspot after time spy is on the higher side

Oh oops wrong reply

[vital oriole]

probs because it's on stock fan profile?

[odd siren]

Ah true

[vital oriole]

most people just runs stock

[odd siren]

If it's stock fans that makes sense

[livid idol]

Plus it's probably in a H510

[odd siren]

Pretty sure it's no scam

[livid idol]

Those things are too popular

[random walrus]

stock fans, probably no undervolt either. I wouldn't worry about 75C

[odd siren]

You have all the necessary details, just make sure you buy with protection

[vital oriole]

imma assume it's in a bad case and running stock fan profile

[odd siren]

And take a buddy with you to the handoff

(if you can)

[odd siren]

Have you seen the guy behind the NZXT cases is making the hyte cases?

[vital oriole]

people loves their tempered glass front rgb cases

[odd siren]

They have a new case coming

And it looks amazing

[random walrus]

especially if using cash

[civic nebula]

add pic but from what i can see it was over 60 from the start, is that concerning or normal?

[odd siren]

It's like, H510 but actually functional

[livid idol]

Yeah I saw the GN vid on the "Y4D"

[civic nebula]

bad pic*

[vital oriole]

that's normal

[odd siren]

Ya it's a working h510 basically

Which is great

[vital oriole]

stock fan profile leaves gpu idling fairly warm

[odd siren]

Kill that damn nzxt case with something just every way better

[livid idol]

Plus the new cooler looks interesting

[vital oriole]

since the fan turns off

[civic nebula]

I see

alright thank you guys very much you’ve been a big help

[odd siren]

The new cooler omg

[livid idol]

Glued two rads together, double pumped in the rads

[odd siren]

I was gushing

480mm of standard rad

Slapped into 240

That thing will be good, expensive, but good

[livid idol]

Yep I don't blame them for targeting performance of the best 360mm with that thing

It be thiccc

[odd siren]

Nor pricing

Won't care if that's like, $250

Will shill for 360 variant

[livid idol]

I could see $175

That would be as close to custom cooling as possible in an AIO at that point

I could see the alphacool monsta rads beating it but it'll be a good bout

[odd siren]

I mean it's great to a point

It's one promising aspect of several to make a good aio

Good/suitable coldplate can do a lot as well

[livid idol]

I forgot, they're doing a LCD too so this is probably accurate

[odd siren]

Think, those 4090 liquid suprims use 240 rads

And quite happy with 240mm too

[livid idol]

Sure but that's a hybrid cooler and that's only for the core

[odd siren]

Still doesn't miss the point of a 240 rad taking over 400 watts continuous

[livid idol]

Yeah true enough

[odd siren]

It's a brute force method

That said, I like it

Break the convention Hyte

Give us a first taste into a market of varying rad sizes

[livid idol]

Indeed, break the mold. It's good for everyone.

It's astonishing that a relatively new and very bold company managed to take over the #3 best seller spot on Amazon

[odd siren]

Agree

It's fascinating to me that they have the means to do it again too

Y40 at 70 bucks please

That will kill the h510 for certain

[oak rivet]

Ran furmark for 2 hours at max fan speeds temps seemed to have reach equilibrium of 75c

Would you call that good enough

[livid idol]

I thought Steve said Y4D would be around $150 but I could be mistaken

[odd siren]

More than good enough as long as you picked the right settings so it used full power

[oak rivet]

It maxed the tdp of 320watt

[odd siren]

Then it's good

Especially for turing

[odd siren]

I missed this so idk

I was half paying attention, half helping pato oc

Legit I'd buy a Y40

Not that different to my O11 mini air

[oak rivet]

There is a hyte y40?

[odd siren]

Yes. Soon ™️

(CES)

[oak rivet]

Wonder what 4070tis will be the same size as 4090s

[livid idol]

https://youtu.be/hCnDB4CxBno?t=246
Timestamped, $150-160

[oak rivet]

Man that's a lot of cooling

[odd siren]

Sadge

[livid idol]

It's not final yet but that's what info he got

[odd siren]

Well hopefully it eventually goes on sale for like $90

[livid idol]

84mm worth of it

[odd siren]

I wouldn't be shy to buying a Y40 tho, another unique design

[oak rivet]

The vertical mount only thing sucks

[odd siren]

Nah not really

Not with 4 slots

[livid idol]

"Unique", eh. It's a H510 that actually breathes.

[odd siren]

Yes

They did what nzxt couldn't imagine possible

Which is dumb but true

Instead we got the urinal of the H5

[oak rivet]

Soo it will be a 5000d and p500a competitor?

[odd siren]

Relatively speaking kinda

[livid idol]

4000D is the target since that's the #1 seller, at a 5000D price

[odd siren]

Yeah it's more like a premium 4000D

Which is fine, it's aesthetics first

[livid idol]

Aesthetics without compromising too much performance is the important part

[oak rivet]

Well at 150$ it's competitor is more of a 5000d

[livid idol]

Yes, but it's smaller like the 4000D

[oak rivet]

Soo found out some 2080ti FE were dying if you ran furmark for 8 hours on it

https://youtu.be/q_55HcY31FQ

Lol

[livid idol]

Yep, back when furmark was the thing that used the most sustained and concentrated power

[oak rivet]

soo you cant flash different vbios on the new amd cards?

[odd siren]

I don't remember being able to do that on RDNA 2 either, just the correct one they ship them with

But MPT works so you just use SPPT instead

• shrug *

[oak rivet]

mpt really works ?

[odd siren]

They're still testing it afaik but they've been able to change the powerplay table

They have beta SPPT's around rn

[oak rivet]

well idk how many of these are true

[odd siren]

MPT isn't locked

They just changed the initial hex code for the PPT

It's still there

I really hope that isn't FrameChasers btw

[oak rivet]

it is

[odd siren]

He's on a crazed trip about AMD rn

[oak rivet]

ye its funny asf

think he runs ubm

[odd siren]

Haha, I'd believe that

But the XTX isn't really as bad as they're painting it

My AIB card has zero problems so far

[oak rivet]

has to be a bit more cheaper at around 800$ imo

[odd siren]

Yes and no

Looks good cos the 4080 exists

But yes, not really price/perf gain

Like the 4080

It's the least evil of the new gen tho

[oak rivet]

the 4080 has a good lead in a lot of things

[odd siren]

I'm not gonna discuss numbers again

[oak rivet]

rt ik its not everyones thing but 4080 and 4090 are really good at it

[odd siren]

XTX has a good amount of OC headroom

I'm waiting for alphacool's wb and mpt to become final before I push that card harder

[oak rivet]

soo whats with that vram downclocking thing

[odd siren]

I couldn't really replicate that

Might be different because I have a 550W tdp limit

Vs the reference

As J2C found the red devil doesn't really do that either

[oak rivet]

soo maybe could try experimenting with a tdp limit

[odd siren]

I could

If I had time for it rn

Lol

Working 6 days a week rn so overclocking is on hold atm

I would be alright trying it tho once mpt is out

[supple yarrow]

I've been looking for a asus radeon rx 7900 xtx tuf oc everywhere and can't find it anywhere, it's like it hasn't been released, many sites don't even have it.

[keen nacelle]

xtx has been oos since it launched yes

[heady turtle]

Check amd.com on Tuesdays, sometimes Thursdays at 2pm gmt for drops

[civic nebula]

hello can someone help real quick

gpu + pay related

psu *

i’m getting this one

will these 2 pcie cables be okay for it

i think it needs 2 8 pin connectors

[cerulean rover]

Plug in both of those separate cables, don't use the pigtail cable

[civic nebula]

there's only 2 seperate cables, a molex cable, 2 cpu ones and 2 sata ones and then the mobo cable

so yes I will be connecting the 2 8 pins

thank you

[hot bough]

What would happen if a 4090 is connected via a 3.0x16 riser?

Would it run a lot slower or same speed?

The riser limits the bus speed I think?

[ivory herald]

Lose 3-5% performance, maybe a lil more depending on actual load/game.

[hot bough]

Ahh I see, was curious cause Fractal makes a Vertical GPU mount for the Fractal Torrent.

Which I thought would be cool with a 4090. xD.

[hot bough]

Would be the same on a 4.0x16 riser?

[heady turtle]

no

[odd siren]

Pcb spec only goes up to 4.0

[hot bough]

Oh, then what's the point of 5.0x16 being on so many boards?

[odd siren]

Cos it can

[hot bough]

I see.

[odd siren]

• shrug *

You can do a lot with 5.0, more than just a graphics card

[hot bough]

Oh all goes well my cooling stuff should arrive in a few days.

[odd siren]

16x5.0 is 8 nvme at full speed for gen 4

[hot bough]

Multiple M.2s?

[odd siren]

Ye

You got it

Improving the spec is always a good thing, it also helps sell a platform as longer lasting with marketing

[hot bough]

Fair, fair.

[odd siren]

But it doesn't always need to be that way

Nvidia is reusing the 3090 TI pcb designs for the high end 40 series with AD102

[hot bough]

What does that mean?

[odd siren]

Probably half the reason DP1.4 is still a thing on those cards if we think about it

[odd siren]

It means that the 3090 Ti was almost a trial for the next-gen cards, a prototype

If you check a 3090 Ti vs. it's equivalent 4090 counterpart, cooler differences will be there but the pcb's are very alike

[heady turtle]

nv said 3090ti was prototype with new connector and stuff already

[hot bough]

Gotcha.

Well I am gonna cook now so see you guys later, thanks for teaching me new Info.

[odd siren]

Okie

[lone pond]

anyone know if paeldn is good

[fading glacier]

no its not

[hasty sphinx]

What GPU should I grab around the $500-600 mark? Used or New doesn't matter.

[vital oriole]

new would be 6800

or 6800xt if possible

used 3080ti is doable

3090 if lucky

[heady turtle]

Straight from Nvidia france... Now taken down

[odd siren]

Dude only the Ti supports hdr?

Smh first dp 1.4 now this

[cerulean rover]

inb4 it gets proper dp 2.0

[odd siren]

Would legit demand a refund

[cerulean rover]

imagine 4080 super and 4090 super and the only difference is dp 2.0

[hasty monolith]

are there any gpus that use dp 2.0 outside of the arcs?

[odd siren]

RDNA 3 does

But I believe that's actually 2.1(???)

Can't remember if 2.0 or 2.1

[vital oriole]

pcb reuse be like

3090 was the base for 4080 and 4090

[ivory herald]

It's nice when a 4080 uses 4090 cooler.

[hasty monolith]

finally my 6800xt i ordered a week ago is geting shipped arriving next thursday. no more 560 2gb

[vital oriole]

just sad when the board came from 3090

and nvidia didn't bother to revise it

displayport 2.0 where

[hasty monolith]

so does that mean 4080/4090 users are stuck using dp 1.4 or hdmi 2.1?

[vital oriole]

yep

expect people demanding refunds once 4070ti hits the shelves

it's just silly since 4090 and 4080 are so fast

[hasty monolith]

thats a big thumbs down on nvidia part

[vital oriole]

only to be limited by display output

[hasty monolith]

agreed. so hdmi 2.1 is only slightly faster than dp 1.4

[livid idol]

It's more than slightly

HDMI 2.1 is capable of 4k 250hz

[hasty monolith]

i just realized that

[ivory herald]

Yay to only using 1080/1440 & 165hz for now so DP1.4 is still plenty.

[hasty monolith]

monitor that support that will be very expensive

[livid idol]

Well yeah, but if you're getting a 4090 you can afford $1500 for a monitor

[hasty monolith]

true.

[livid idol]

That's the best way to take full advantage of the 4090 after all. Besides 4k VR.

[hasty monolith]

i couldnt do vr i feel sick to my stomach when i did vr at comic con 1 year

[livid idol]

Probably had the refresh rate or fps too low for you

Motion sickness was common before but it's gotten a lot better over the years

[hasty monolith]

probably. but vr systems cost as much or more than a console these days. everything is going up but our paychecks

[livid idol]

Funny thing about that. They've been debating the $15 minimum wage for so long the living wage is now $25.

[hasty monolith]

so a 5600/6800xt at 4k i should use a hdmi 2.1 over dp 1.4

[livid idol]

Assuming the monitor is capable of true HDMI 2.1 yes. The part that sucks about HDMI is they're allowed to call ports that only meet 2.0 bandwidth 2.1

You also need a decent cable for 2.1

[hasty monolith]

yes. m28u. rn i have a regular hdmi 2.0 cable from pc to monitor (old rx 560). getting 6800xt next week. will get hdmi 2.1 cable as well

[delicate oyster]

pbs news anchor just retired

😦

Judy woodruff (sp)

sorry, not the best forum....

[ivory herald]

#general-chat

[gentle rover]

Is 16gb of vram overkill? Will I ever even be in need of more? And do I need more vram if I’m trying to run multiple monitors like 2-3?

[random walrus]

1. not really, on the higher side for gaming though 2) most likely yes but you'll probably want to upgrade your gpu for other reasons before 16gb becomes too little 3) I don't think so

[gentle rover]

Ty!

[random walrus]

np

For gaming you probably dont need to care too much about vram, just find a card with the performance you need

[oak rivet]

16gb vram is nice to have

If you like using higher textures packs

[livid idol]

I rarely get close to using my full 12GB even in high detail games using DSR to render in 4k

I just finished my test gaming session, heading to bed now lol

But yeah I was just running No Man's Sky on ultra 4k HDR and only used ~9.5GB

[normal hawk]

I use 12GB in Skyrim at 4k due to my mods 😦

[graceful flicker]

saw someone selling a 4080 for 2300 lol

[heady turtle]

That doesn't even make sense

You can buy 4090s for 2k

[ivory herald]

Could've bought Suprim LC for $1600 at 1st also. Bunch of clowns.

[lone pond]

I need a 6800 for the best price

In canada any suggestions?

[keen nacelle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/P36qqs/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6800-pgd-16go

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/26Lxydc-3K8

Soo would say Aib cards doing much better or is it more of a problem with the chip

[heady turtle]

yeah sems to be a problem with the vapour chamber

[sonic mural]

Why do British people add random letters in words that don't need them
/s

[wicked hound]

Just commit mod abuse and say it ||/s||

[orchid loom]

Where'd the manager

[velvet grail]

Overclock + undervolt on tha 1080

2025mhz 59-60°C

Noice

[oak rivet]

this was kinda unexpected for me

[velvet grail]

When it first launched I only knew the price but hadn't seen any benchmarks so I got surprised when I saw that it was more powerful than a 4080 (in most games) and yet still cheaper

But power consumption isn't really nice to see

[fading glacier]

nor the temps

[velvet grail]

Ooo nice
I should try some vram oc

Got an AVG temp of 60C during the entire benchmark

[hasty monolith]

nice. is nt still good?

[oak rivet]

The Aorus elite used in the video was under 60c at 350 to 400w usage

[velvet grail]

What you mean for nt?
Excuse my ignorance

[hasty monolith]

yeah. i havent seen it over 10 years or so.