graphics-cards

[fading glacier]

hopefully by the time your wallet is ready then the 4090 will be a lot cheaper and accessible 🙂

[hot bough]

Yep.

[fading glacier]

if not... well prepare 2k+ for your dream gpu

[hot bough]

ik.

[fading glacier]

if i fail to get an xtx on the 13th then ill settle for a 3080

im tired of waiting

[hot bough]

ok.

I wish you luck!

[fading glacier]

will need as much as i can get, thx buddy

[livid idol]

That gap is supposedly closing, with AMD claiming 80% more fps over last gen due to multiple factors like new culling methods

And FSR doesn't look terrible any more, plus the encoder has caught up too. I like to see the effort and competition.

[oak rivet]

Did you see portal rtx?

In some rt titles there is just no competition amd falls flat performing worse then Nvidia lower tier gpus

[livid idol]

The one that claims the 3090 ti doesn't meet recommended specs?

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/n7UxeBzIXWw

[random walrus]

My issue with portal rtx is that it's not actually a seperate title, its doing the Nvidia remix thing

Which is good as a tech demo for Remix

But doesn't seem quite right to use as a benchmark idk

[oak rivet]

Still funny to see 6800xt lose to a 3060

[fading glacier]

not funny but sad 😦

as long as nvidia remains at the top unchallenged then prices will be terrible indefinitely

jensen will justify his statement "moore's law is dead" to keep prices as high as he can because... you have no other options beside us right?

amd need to step up their game somehow this gen

[odd siren]

The less we care about RT the better until it actually matters

[fading glacier]

thats why im with stevie on this... using portal rtx as a benchmark doesn't seem right.... in fact is terribly wrong

that was specifically created for the nvidia machine, is completely biased towards them

[odd siren]

That's true

[oak rivet]

you see the effects it provides in calisto protocol

its rather substantial and getting to the point its hard to ignore they are not there

[odd siren]

That's a difference of opinion

I will not care for RT until the performance impact is very small

And I've always felt this way about it

I'm not dropping my fps from 144 to 60

[heady turtle]

Half the time RT looks just as good as raster anyway

[odd siren]

Actual RT is a long way out as well

[oak rivet]

ok

[odd siren]

We won't see anything to that extent until the perf hit is fixed

[oak rivet]

lets not even talk about mirrors lol

tf i am supposed to do with all the fps if the game looks dog water

[odd siren]

^

[oak rivet]

think if the community demands better rt perf it will only help us

[odd siren]

Well throwing your money at it is a way of saying you're happy with it, not unhappy enough to want more imo

That said? I'm sitting here with a 4090, but I work CAD with it, not play games

[fading glacier]

yeah rt cant be relevant if the performance hits is that heavy

[orchid loom]

Games are fun

Just need to play more demanding games

[fading glacier]

and this is an opinion, you can have a beautiful game if you lower you settings as well, i mean you dont need that much fps just to enjoy a game, you just need to like it with what you have

[odd siren]

The last game I played was about a week ago when I went to see a friend

[orchid loom]

Bruh

[odd siren]

Before that, months ago

[orchid loom]

Ew

Lwave

Game on low settings

[fading glacier]

make

me

[orchid loom]

Is poop

[oak rivet]

lol

[orchid loom]

@fading glacier

[oak rivet]

did you try fortnite on 6600?

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-get-it-come-get-it-come-on-gif-18199469

[orchid loom]

I play all my games on ultra settings

Most are optimized now

[fading glacier]

what a chad

[orchid loom]

[oak rivet]

what games you playing on ultra

[orchid loom]

Well rn I'm playing prey

[fading glacier]

minesweeper last time he talked with us

full rt

[orchid loom]

Jokes on you idk what that is

[oak rivet]

fortnite is not easy on a 6800xt at 1440p ultra

[orchid loom]

@fading glacier I'm pretty sure if I get 4k monitor most games can handle at like 60FPS maybe

I would only need 4090 for a couple of games

[oak rivet]

thats ambitious

[orchid loom]

But there's also a new game coming out I wanna play

[fading glacier]

well it can handle 60 fps

he doesnt say at which settings

[oak rivet]

fortnite on 6800xt at 1440p ultra

[fading glacier]

[orchid loom]

Ultra or bust

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-come-at-bro-ese-rat-gif-16181220

[orchid loom]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-couple-gif-21978716

But

https://youtu.be/KbuTrshFJ3s

I wanna do this

I just need to put my green screen up and get a longer cable

Also I want 4090 bc I wanna play my quest in 5k

I tried on 3090 and it was poop poop

Smh

3090 won't run 5000x2000 120hz

[oak rivet]

[orchid loom]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VF9si_nnknU?feature=share

[hasty sphinx]

Is fortnite that demanding of a game that a 6800xt can only get 60fps?

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/rUOXwzq18Eo

[hasty sphinx]

Oh it got updated to a new engine?

[orchid loom]

yea unreal engine 5

brrrrrrrrrr

[hasty sphinx]

I've never played fortnite though. Was the update to the new engine a big increase in visuals?

[oak rivet]

Yes it does seem so

[fading glacier]

well, now this time we have a real news about a real price cut in uk

4080, 100 pounds less on an uk retailer, thats a good sign

not an nvidia official cut but seems like some retailers are ready to minimize loses by selling them at a reduced price, a good start nonetheless

[livid idol]

£100 would be about 10% assuming it's priced at msrp to begin with

Which they're probably not

[oak rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjaE2g4VOXI

i share the skepticism that these cards can take too much use of DP2.1, but having the option this gen is very nice for long term use

[random walrus]

I really like the reference cooler

no flow through though

[orchid loom]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/asrock-launches-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-xt-aqua-taichi-and-phantom-gaming-gpus

[random walrus]

I was literally just about to send the Aqua video

https://youtu.be/53xEoYkfT8k

[orchid loom]

Lol

[oak rivet]

all of these look smaller then i expected

[orchid loom]

well like linus said he things 4080 and 4090 are suppose to run more power then there rated for

thats why such large heatsink

but if you make 1000W gpu nobody gunna buy that

[oak rivet]

well if the performance scales up accordingly and you can cool it for daily use people might

[orchid loom]

I would mind a high wattage gpu

I like power

Brrrrrr

[fading glacier]

nah this is wrong and was already covered a million times, 4080s have the same cooler as the 4090 to save manufacturing costs by using the same heatsink on both models

wasnt about the power on the 4080

[orchid loom]

Well what about 4090 brrrr

[fading glacier]

and the cooler on the 4090 was that large because aibs were instructed to build a heatsink for a 600w card, but then they ended up with a 450w card

what i mean, even for the 4090 the cooler is overkill, but to save manufacturing costs they just rolled with it... along with the 4080

in the end, they will pass the bill to the consumers anyway

so, they aren't suppose to run more power... they were supposed to run more power, but in the end, they didn't

[orchid loom]

I mean technically 4x 8 pins should do 600W

[fading glacier]

in theory yes

but that doesnt mean that they are set to draw that much on stock

you can load a custom bios ofc

much like custom bios were loaded on 3090s to be fed over 700w with only 3 pcie connectors

[orchid loom]

Yea but running more power through the connectior it's rated for isn't that bad

[fading glacier]

you should ask that to the guys who run xoc

[orchid loom]

[fading glacier]

also i prefer a more efficient card over a high wattage gpu xD

more wattage doesnt mean more power 😛

its funny that nvidia keep trying to brute force performance by feeding more wattage

thats why the 4080 is a better efficient card than the 4090... 30% less performance than the 4090 but half the power used with very little spikes

[orchid loom]

Lol

[ivory herald]

I'll show this again, the 4090. PL adjustement possibly funky at super low levels is part of why I'd prefer 4080.

[orchid loom]

I pretty sure a 4090 can do 350W

Still being faster

[odd siren]

Might depend on the chip and board tbh

Gigabyte cards seem to be very inefficient for example

[orchid loom]

Lol

[odd siren]

I'm serious

Gaming OC pulls likr 600W happily yet the effective clocks can be absolutely rubbish

[orchid loom]

Should I buy this

[odd siren]

Meanwhile a binned Founders will do 400W+ but happily do 100MHz maybe 200MHz better

[orchid loom]

Tbh I like this

[odd siren]

Ok

Well it's a bad buy either way

[orchid loom]

I like the arous master gpus

So much RGB

https://tenor.com/view/despicableme-agnes-unicorn-so-fluffy-gif-3439312

[odd siren]

If I had another 5 hours to use today I'd be all over this 4090 stuff

[orchid loom]

Lol

[odd siren]

I have maybe 20 minutes left to try and scrape some decent score on TS

But I think I need the RAM dialed up to get it

So TSE in a couple minutes

My suprim is doing 3ghz+ tho

Yeah it's 3015 stable

Well TS stable

Probably totally stable a couple bins below that

[teal cairn]

VGA light on my motherboard is staying white, but boot light flashes green still. Any thoughts?

Note, no display being output

[livid idol]

Check your gpu power cables

Both on the gpu and psu

[teal cairn]

I uninstalled and reinstalled multiple times

I’ll check psu 1 sec

[fading glacier]

im afraid that i sound like a 4080 lover at this point 😛 but... in all seriousness, the card is great, the 4080 is a great great card... the bad thing is the price, and im on the same boat as everyone here... dont buy a 4080 cause its a bad buy not for the hardware, but for the price

Just, calm yourself and wait

[orchid loom]

[livid idol]

Yeah once XTX drops and puts the pressure on it should go down, unless they're being nvidiots again

[fading glacier]

try to get a 4090 at msrp instead or just wait till next year to see if the "supposedly" price cuts of mid december become a reality

[orchid loom]

Nah I'm just gunna work my butt off at work and buy 4090

[fading glacier]

thats pretty surprising coming from you... cheers for you pal

[orchid loom]

According to val they gunna make more 4090 in January

[fading glacier]

yeah just wait

[orchid loom]

Well According to my last paycheck I can make big bucks if I put work into it

I work 5 hours a day rn and made $500

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-frowning-coffee-gif-14597430

[orchid loom]

[teal cairn]

Nothing changed

[orchid loom]

hmmmm 4090

I NEEEEEEEEEED IT

[teal cairn]

Anyone else have an idea?

[odd siren]

Try reseating the gpu

[orchid loom]

blah

[random walrus]

At FedEx?!

[orchid loom]

yeA

[random walrus]

Holiday bonus?

[orchid loom]

no

[random walrus]

If FedEx actually pays $100 an hour I'm reconsidering my decision to attend college

[orchid loom]

5 hours a day 5 days a week

[random walrus]

Oh lmao

20 ain't bad but I'll stay in college

[teal cairn]

I’ve come to the conclusion that I can only have one ram stick in… I DONT GET THIS

WTF

[random walrus]

Is that still the 12100 or with new cpu?

[odd siren]

Interesting, so one stick might be dodgy?

If it post loops that's definitely a possibility

[teal cairn]

I tested both sticks

One of each works

But both do not

It worked on my old mobo

And my new one supports it

But it comes as a vga error when both are in

Tested in dimm slot 1/3 and 2/4 also

Ok well I yelled at my pc and now it boots nvm

[odd siren]

LOL

Clear cmos

Just to be on the safe side

[orchid loom]

12100f never switched back yet

oops

[orchid loom]

@livid idol I turned render resolution up to 500%

[orchid loom]

Since you reminded me I'm gunna switch cpus out and see if I can get better FPS

@livid idol you want some dinner

@livid idol @odd siren this is how the i3 came off

That middle means not enough pressure

[odd siren]

No

The middle is fine

I'm busy kenzie

Not now

[orchid loom]

Okay

[random walrus]

If you pulled the cooler straight up I think there might be some weird suction interaction that makes it look like that

[orchid loom]

Oh that's true

[random walrus]

Could be totally wrong but it kinda makes sense in my head

[lone pond]

I'm trying to figure out a good GPU to buy. I want one a little bit below $330. But a GPU that is $300 (little more or less) would be awesome. Anyone got any good suggestions? Especially those who bought one & works well.

[livid idol]

6600xt

Well, 6650XT

[lone pond]

U got one? Does it work well for you?

[livid idol]

Personally no but AMD cards have caught up to nvidia ones to the point of directly competing. 6650XT gets close to the 3060 ti in performance.

[random walrus]

6700xt vs 3060ti more fair, no?

Oh under 350 i see

[livid idol]

Yes 6700XT is slightly better

[orchid loom]

@random walrus okay new cpu in give me a few moments to test'

[orchid loom]

@random walrus here is resultes dont mine the ------ line i was AFK

[livid idol]

Looks more consistent at least

[orchid loom]

this is from diffrent date'

im 100% think its gpu bc its a 6600 so low power haha

[livid idol]

Yeah but now that you have a better CPU you can utilize a better GPU

Since the 12100 was maxed already before

[orchid loom]

yea

[oak rivet]

still find it surprising 12100 getting maxed out with 6600

[orchid loom]

its probs not that

its probs VR

VR takes a lot of compute power

[vital oriole]

12100 is 4 core

[orchid loom]

Ye

[fading glacier]

there are some timespy and firestrike results of the xt and xtx on videocardz o.O... hard to swallow D:

[keen nacelle]

How do they stack up?

[fading glacier]

kinda... meh

according to them its only 26-30% better than the 6950xt

timespy the xtx matched barely the 4080, 1-2% behind

in firestrike xtx got ahead the 4080 by 8%

[oak rivet]

And ? performs like a 10400 in games

[vital oriole]

yeah but that doesn't change how it is 4 cores, im just saying

core count doesn't translate to perf when you compare different arch together

[fading glacier]

[orchid loom]

[fading glacier]

now to wait for monday real third party reviews

[orchid loom]

So obviously we buy 4090 yes let's go to microcenter people

ROAD TRIP

You get 4090 and you get 4090 and you get 4090

[fading glacier]

?

[orchid loom]

It's like this meme

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-batch-ban-group-ban-oprah-ban-gif-21239786

[fading glacier]

4090 was out of reach from this comparative from a very long time

ik

[oak rivet]

It is falling behind 4080 even in raster workloads if that is to be believed

[fading glacier]

yup, seems like the 1.5x over the 6950 were big words after all

or so it seems

best to wait for monday for real reviews

seems like the 4080 price cuts will not happen at this rate 😛

[keen nacelle]

I wonder if they're doing thr same thing nvidia is trying to do, with giving their lower end cards the branding of higher end cards to mark them higher priced

Or if the performance just isn't there with the new gen

[fading glacier]

to release a 7950 xtx and the fabled 7990? i dont think so... you shouldn't fail your first impression

not after taunting nvidia about it size, power draw and the 12hvpwr adapter

[vital oriole]

eh it's amd

they're gonna do what they want

they used to say stuff like below 6 gigs of vram isn't enough for 1080p anymore until 6500XT came out

then they delete that marketing line

[oak rivet]

6500xt probably wouldn't exist if not for gpu fiasco

Come out as a good guy by releasing a cheapo gpu

[hasty monolith]

Is the power color red dragon 6800xt any good?

[vital oriole]

it's pretty good

[hasty monolith]

Thx its my backup choice after the asrock phantom gaming if it ever come back in stock

[odd siren]

For 200/300 less this is good enough imo

Sad that it's not better, but good enough to be compelling

[oak rivet]

true but if that chart turns out true it will seriously affect the mindshare of amd

[fading glacier]

problem is, we dont know how the aib will price their cards

cause we all know that the reference model is harder to get than an FE

so no msrp for us

i have 1.2k reserved for the xtx anyway, that is my celiling for a gpu

[heady turtle]

Is it?

Also if 4080 ends up being a lil bit better 1.2k will buy you a 4080 right now

[fading glacier]

well, is my ceiling

but im against the 4080 price, its a matter of principle

[oak rivet]

It's definitely not priced well but amd offerings should be cheaper coz the 4080 excels in quite a few things that the 7900xtx might lack in

[orchid loom]

Price isn't good but performance is

Brrrrrrrr

[fading glacier]

Indeed, reviews will be the turning point

monday will be the day of days

the ebay listing about the evga 4090 smells like scam all over the site xD

still 6600 usd for a extremely limited edition card is a steal

[fading glacier]

according to amd, the embargo lift and reviews will be on december 12th

no need to look for that info on other sites kenzie xD

monday will be flood with notifications from youtube

[dreamy dragon]

MightyQuinn#9072 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[odd siren]

Naughty quinn

Smh

[orchid loom]

It just popped up on my goggle

Google

[odd siren]

Goggle

[hasty sphinx]

Goggle

[quartz gull]

I've noticed that with a 4090, my power readout from the wall has been consistently lower than when I test my 3080 in the same system. 4090 is only puslling 275-350 watts most games while my 3080 would guzzle consistently 350+

My power limit is set correctly and I've checked benchmarks and I'm getting what I'm supposed to, It only pulls 420+ in heavy benchmarks. I wonder if there's just not much that can utilize the true power of the card yet

[odd siren]

The 4090 is very voltage limited, you need to find specific workloads to push the wattage up

If you want to, you can flip a switch in afterburner to unlock voltage control and add a bit more voltage to let it run a little faster

[quartz gull]

I mean

a lot of games I'm hitting my 144hz refresh rate at 4k

with maxed settings

My room already gets hot enough as it is

[odd siren]

I can do a burn in for 575W+ but even with the tests so far the card won't do more than 520W even with voltage up

[quartz gull]

I'm also limited to 450 watts btw

[odd siren]

I believe it that the card is very happy at lower wattages

[quartz gull]

My card only game with a 3 8 pin to 12 pin adapter

Plugging in a different adapter doesn't increase the max wattage

[odd siren]

Wait, wha

Is this the zotac?

[quartz gull]

yeah, some msi cards are also limited like this

[odd siren]

Power capping isn't that bad for perf but you should check the vbios database to make sure it's the adapter

Mine is an MSI

If it's the adapter get a cablemod custom

[quartz gull]

To be fair I don't want to go over 450 watts, I have an 850 watt psu lol

[odd siren]

Ah

[quartz gull]

rest of my build maxed out pulls around 300 watts

[odd siren]

I flashed a 600W vbios to the msi cos it came capped at 520W

Lol, the rgb works tho

That's the weird part

[quartz gull]

did you get a 4 8 pin or 3 8 pin adapter?

[odd siren]

I'm using the cablemod one

3x8

[quartz gull]

ah okay, interesting

[odd siren]

All 600W no probs

Yeah only the nvidia one artificially limits

[quartz gull]

I didn't know it let you unlock the wattage on these models that come with 3 8 pins

good to know

[odd siren]

Yeah you can do it with all of them

[quartz gull]

It's probably to protect dumbies that try to pull over 450 on 3 8 pins

[odd siren]

I'm on 3x8 tho lol

Just fyi 3x8 can do 900W+

On a good psu

The cablemod one is almost fully populated too so it's not like, 4 pins per connector like the nvidia one is

[hasty sphinx]

I was gonna say, I pull a constant 450w on 3x8pin, granted 3080 12gb.

[odd siren]

There's also pcie slot power

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah true

[odd siren]

So really you can to 525W

Or if limits be damned on a good unit?

[quartz gull]

My 3080 used to pull more power than my 4090, it's silly

[odd siren]

The 3080 also had poorer power behaviour than the 4090 does fwiw

4090 doesn't get stupid transients

[quartz gull]

my 3080 12gb would pull almost 400 watts sometimes in games

I think people undersold the efficiency jumps with lovelace fr

[odd siren]

Lovelace turned out completely the opposite of rumours lol

[quartz gull]

Everyone just saw the max power spec and went

[odd siren]

Yeah it's cool having a card basically run 350W if you want it to and be like 95% of it's perf lolol

FE stonks moment

[quartz gull]

and as gamers nexus found, unlike the 3090/ti, the transient spikes never exceed the power limit

but are much longer sustained spikes

[odd siren]

Ye

They're lower spikes

Better behaved

[quartz gull]

so the TGP is 450 watts with an average of like 300-350 usually

not a 3090ti's

"450"

with spikes up to 650 watts

when reviews came out about the transient spikes on the 3090ti I thought it was going to be like a PR disaster

but like no one bought them lol

I was rewatching transient spikes coverage, I didn't know the 3080 spikes up to 530 watts, more than a 4090 stock behavior 💀

I wonder with this level of power efficiency, maybe a 4050 or 4030 with 75 watt PCIE slot power? Would be great

Especially if it has 8+ PCIE lanes

[vital oriole]

not happening tbh

4050 probs gonna be a 200w card

[oak rivet]

wonder if they unlocked voltage control if the fps improvement would actually be substantial with overclocking

[vital oriole]

4090 doesn't really benefit much from ocing

since it already does that on itself

[quartz gull]

Everyone said that about the 1050 but they lowered it the wattage and did a performance bump over 950

We'll see I guess

[vital oriole]

keep in mind that 3050 was very far from 1650

despite being its supposed successor

it's miles ahead

[quartz gull]

3050 was the worst 30 series card imo

Worse than 3090ti even. The thing just makes no sense

Even a 2060 is faster

Yet it keeps going for $250-300

[vital oriole]

im not sure where you got that

[oak rivet]

vram bound games 3050 still has a lead over 2060

but for maxing out settings at 1080p i would never go below 6600 imo

[quartz gull]

Do people use 2060/3050 above 1080p?

I may be out of touch here lol

[hasty sphinx]

I used a 1650s for 1440p

[oak rivet]

dlss is a thing soo aiming for higher res is more common then usual

[vital oriole]

tfw 2060 used to be min for 1440p

years later things changed quickly tho lol

[quartz gull]

When I got the 2060 my idea was it was a 1080p card that was RTX in name only

Early reviews of RTX and DLSS were very lasting impressions

[odd siren]

It actually does up to a point

Depends on silicon but definitely good bins get a couple % more with the extra voltage

[oak rivet]

which point?

not locked upto 1093mv?

[odd siren]

It's locked to 1050 but 1100 with the slider

But epower will get you higher

[oak rivet]

If we count in some games like rdr2

Don't think it was even remotely a 1440p card

[ivory herald]

Meanwhile I can get a 1080 ti for $150ish or 2070S/2080(S) for $200ish. Indeed 3050 is quite underwhelming.

[orchid loom]

I like 3050 this dlss is nice

[fading glacier]

a 2070s will have dlss as well

3050 is much like the 6500xt... they shouldn't exist

[random walrus]

Well they should exist but they should be cheaper

[orchid loom]

Lol

[vital oriole]

if 6500xt was $100 i wouldn't have trashed on it so hard

but no, 199

that's just stupid

[random walrus]

Rx560 and gtx1050 were both like $130

Actual budget cards

Maybe lower cause 1050ti was $140 msrp

[random walrus]

In my experience DLSS is bad at 1080p though

And I doubt 3050 fares well at 1440p

[fading glacier]

agree

if you need dlss on 1080p to bolster frames then you definitely need a better gpu

[orchid loom]

I mean 6600 us close to 3050 and I'm using it on 1440p

[keen nacelle]

6600 is better than the 3050

By a decent bit

[oak rivet]

6500xt shouldn't exist and make 3050 100$

[oak rivet]

If you have a 1080 I would look at higher performance category

[random walrus]

6600 is a bit better than the 3050, plus the general consensus is that the 3060ti and 6700xt are the lowest 1440p cards

[orchid loom]

Ye

[random walrus]

Seems like it depends on the game but 6600 can be quite a bit faster actually

[keen nacelle]

Imo 3060/2070/6600xt/5700xt and up are fine for it

Just depends on settings you want

[random walrus]

Yeah depends on your standards

[oak rivet]

Ultra should be kept in mind

[keen nacelle]

Those gpus should all do medium 60 fps easily

Then again, at ultra 1440p I get like 40 fps in warzone 2 with a 3060 ti, so that generalization isn't really accurate

[random walrus]

Yeah I prefer to try and push for like 80fps even in slower games

[keen nacelle]

In most titles I should specify

[random walrus]

Warzone is both relatively demanding and not optimized

[keen nacelle]

Ye

Terribly optimized

No way a 13600k and 3060 ti should be dropping below 100 fps at medium settings

Considering I got a consistent 120+ in og warzone with a worse cpu

At ultra too

[random walrus]

5600x/3060ti gets me around 100-120 at 1080p but I haven't played enough to mess with settings

So they're probably auto set to high/ultra

[oak rivet]

I get cpu bound at like 100fps in wz 2

[random walrus]

Just finished my last final so in a few days I get to go home and use 1440p for the first time

[keen nacelle]

I'm not excited for my mid terms

I think I only have to take two though

While will be physics and math

[oak rivet]

2070s was just too crap soo unfortunately I had to return 1440p

[random walrus]

3060ti a little bit better yeah?

[oak rivet]

5 to 10fps yeah

I can catch up with the oc

[random walrus]

I think the most demanding game where I need stable high fps is Apex

Everything else that I play competitive is less demanding

[oak rivet]

I was getting 30 37fps in portal rtx with dlss balanced at 1080p

[random walrus]

Yeah well portal rtx is dumb

[radiant panther]

i just got my evga 3080 xc3 ultra and installed it, upgrading from a gtx 970. It seems to be recognized by my pc and working but do I need to download the evga driver specifically? I had the GEFORCE experience and up to date drivers installed through that but not sure if I should also download the evga driver. Thanks!

[random walrus]

Evga software would just be for the lighting or performance tuning

[oak rivet]

If you previously had Nvidia drivers that supports the 3080 and also the 970 it should automatically pick up

[random walrus]

Might go into GFE and manually check for update

[radiant panther]

yeah i did this and it says its got the latest

ok cool, thanks.

[keen nacelle]

3060 ti around 20-25% better iirc

[random walrus]

than 2070s nah

its like 5-10%

[oak rivet]

10fps is 20 to 25% better?

[keen nacelle]

Def not, one sec

I stand corrected

Around 13%

[random walrus]

depends on the initial fps

[keen nacelle]

11%*

[random walrus]

13fps is 10% of 130 but only 5% of 75

hence why % differences are better than fps number

[radiant panther]

does anyone know how to enable SSRTGI for Fallout4? When I hit Alt+F3 and add the filter I get a message saying the filter uses depth information not available to the application

[orchid loom]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/gigabyte-announces-custom-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-and-rx-7900-xt-graphics-cards-clocks-up-to-2680-mhz

[ivory herald]

Yea sold 1080 a few months ago. Good point though. Probably gonna go 3070 or maybe 3060 ti depending on how far prices are spread. I see 3070 for under $400ish sometimes now, it's great. Shopping Ebay for ballistix so the 12400 isn't setup yet. Can't wait to replace 3770.

[random walrus]

Should I be worried that my gpu hotspot hits 93C while gaming?

overall gpu temp is ~81C

the gap (~11C) stays the same when not under load, if that means anything

[oak rivet]

Doesn't really sound worrying to me

[hot bough]

ooof.

2,629.32 United States Dollar

so, so.

[odd siren]

Damn stil 2300

[hot bough]

2,376.50

USD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og-ap3baVQ0

4090 ti?

[oak rivet]

Like ampere still gotta be years away before we get the Ti variant

[hasty sphinx]

Sounds a little toasty, but still within safe operating temp. What gpu? I'd expect that from my 450w Aorus Master 3080 12gb when my room is 30c ambient.

[hot bough]

How can you survive in those temps....

My skin kills me in temps above 26c.

[oak rivet]

People are built different for different environment and have different tolerance levels

Surprising right

[odd siren]

You live in Mexico tho?

Isn't that like the weather where I am?

One day it's 15C, next 40C

Lolol

[hot bough]

It's a nightmare, you'd think I would be used to this considering I lived 10 years on a Island (hainan) in the south china sea which is near thee equater.

[hot bough]

My room temperature is 16-18c.

[odd siren]

God damn

That's me late at night rn

[hot bough]

xD.

[odd siren]

Followed by 32C+ days

[hot bough]

Question, would it be a bad idea if I reused the 140mm fans that came with my case to do a push/pull on a AIO?

It's the fans that comes with the Fractal Torrent (Non RGB).

[odd siren]

Should be fine

But p12/p14>the rest

[hot bough]

That's what I was thinking.

I'm having so much trouble trying to find the IHS dimensions on the H170I and LF2 360mm.

Found out the LF2 360 has a 38mm thick rad whereas the H170I's rad is 27mm thick.

[odd siren]

Yup, the LF2 brute forces better performance with a thicker rad

[hot bough]

Found a H170I within a $10 difference of the LF2 360mm so I decided to go with that and do a push/pull using the corsair fans with P14s. #old-cooling.

360mm rad on the front of the Fractal Torrent just looks way to out of place.

[odd siren]

Ok

[odd siren]

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-7900-xt-3dmark-timespy-firestrikes-scores-are-in

Hmmmm

At 4K it looks good

At 1440p tho

AMD is better at fire strike but time spy is a bit sus

AMD is usually better at fire strike tho

There's also OC scaling

[heady turtle]

Possibly beta drivers too so I'd honestly just wait reviews will probably be tomorrow anyway

[random walrus]

Rtx 3060ti, the XC from EVGA (2 fans)

[hasty sphinx]

Stock fan curve?

[random walrus]

No, I changed it for noise. Sits around 75-80% when gaming. I do have 2 fans underneath pulling fresh air straight at it

Over that 75-80 mark it gets exponentially louder with a more annoying tone

[hasty sphinx]

With 2 fans pulling straight air at it.. I feel that's too toasty.. I know it's only a 2 fan model, but..

It's still within safe operating temps so meh.. but dang lol

[random walrus]

Yeah it doesn't seem quite right. Any chance Argus Monitor overreports temp?

[hasty sphinx]

I've never heard of that. I use HWiNFO and Aida64

Those 2 report the same values so I'd say they are accurate.

[random walrus]

Ok I'll try with a different program later just to make sure

Also you know what

I just realized those bottom fans might be exhaust

I'm gonna feel so dumb if they are

Also they were a PAIN to install cause of the mobo and case combo

Ok k they are intake 😅

Only one is fully under gpu though

[hasty sphinx]

Hm. What do you have your case fans set to when you're gaming?

[hasty sphinx]

Oh

Ok. That makes way more sense

[random walrus]

I forget but like 80ish percent as well

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah, it's gonna be toasty in there.

[random walrus]

Yeah that right fan is definitely giving air to the CPU more than gpu now that I look at it again

[hasty sphinx]

That fan on the panel.. does that point right at your gpu?

[random walrus]

Yeah, it exhausts

I did run the system without that one and it was 1-2C hotter without

Pulls hot air coming out the side of the gpu and sends ojtside the case

[hasty sphinx]

Swap it around and see what pushing cool air into the gpu will do.

[heady turtle]

@random walrus mainly what matters is your hotspot delta i.e. diff between gpu temp and hotspot temp and main gpu temp

[random walrus]

Yeah like 11C

[heady turtle]

Also yeah those case fans look like they're being counter productive

Most cards pull air in with their fans

[random walrus]

You think it would be better without bottom intake?

[hasty sphinx]

His bottom fans are intake though

[hasty sphinx]

No.

[heady turtle]

So you're getting 83c core temp? It's not worrying but 83 is throttling your perf

[heady turtle]

Oh my mistake

[random walrus]

More like 80-81

[heady turtle]

Honestly maybe because you'd give it breathing room, can you do front/side intake?

[random walrus]

Haha

No

[heady turtle]

That's fine then

What case is it?

[random walrus]

Well I could make the little nocttua intake bit that's about it

SAMA IM01 / Tecware Fusion

[heady turtle]

I've never heard of that case 1 sec

[random walrus]

https://www.tecware.co/fusion

[hasty sphinx]

I honestly would try that panel fan as intake first. It looks like the bottom fan is bringing air in and the panel fan is just sucking it right out.

[random walrus]

Yeah I'll give that a shot

[heady turtle]

Oh yeah so you can do side intake then

[random walrus]

No room other than the small noctua

PSU & cpu cooler block off the space

Also I recognize that the overalls setup isn't the best for thermals and I'm fine with that as long as the gpu temps are safe

Back home I have bigger case & better mobo as well as a new 1440p monitor, so any ocing will be done there and not in this little thing

[hasty sphinx]

Yeah they are safe.

[random walrus]

Honestly I might try a slight undervolt, see if I can get a couple more degrees down

[hasty sphinx]

Just throwing possible little tweaks you can do with what is already at your disposal:)

[random walrus]

Thanks for the help yall

[heady turtle]

Yeah uv is great for getting temps down

[random walrus]

I tried one before and it was stable in my benchmarks but then crashed in game and I gave up lol

Now that I know how to do it it shouldn't take as long

[orchid loom]

Where 7900XTX

I need it now

[oak rivet]

In your dreams

[zenith merlin]

I was on twitch and my screen black out and then waited a few mins and everything is fine now... but that happen to me yesterday too with photoshop

anyone know a fix for this?

[rustic pulsar]

not sure if it will fix it but

1. Make sure u have the latest drivers (go check for an update)
2. If you do have the latest, ddu

.ddu

,ddu

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[zenith merlin]

I think I have the latest 22.q4 drivers

[hot bough]

This is just a random question but if a person dipped a GPU in water and took it out would the GPU still work if it's given time to dry before plugging it back in?

[odd siren]

Random indeed but it can yeah

But it needs to be dry

Like, left for a week

[hot bough]

Ahh interesting.

[odd siren]

Not a day, not a few hours

A week

[hot bough]

Are there any performance charts comparing AIOs?

I am trying to find out what the performance difference between the H170I and Arctic LF2 360 is.

[odd siren]

If you want to compare these two AIO's again ima tell you the LF2 is better

Cappellix is good on lga1700 but still meh overall

[hot bough]

Alright, I guess I will use the LF2 360mm even though it looks funky in the the case, though why is the LF2 better? It's thicker I know that but how does that translate to performance?

[odd siren]

Thicker rad > more fins and airflow > cooler liquid in the inlet to the coldplate > brute forced performance

Ignoring that the design is just in general good

[hot bough]

Got it.

Man how I wish I could use the 420mm LF2.

[odd siren]

Cappellix has the wider rad which is also good but the pump and block easily let it down

[hot bough]

So the problem with the capellix isn't the rad but the pump/block?

[odd siren]

Yup

The coldplate on the cappellix is great for lga1700

[hot bough]

Ahh, I've been looking at this from a rad only perspective.

[odd siren]

But that's the only reason it's basically meh

[odd siren]

Common mistake, it's all good lol

[hot bough]

What the hell.... The 360mm LF2 Costa $70 more than the 420mm...

Also sorry for having been so annoying with All the questions, I just want to really get this PC done right and look nice as I will be purchasing the parts soon.

[odd siren]

It's not worth $70 more

You can also look up LS720

[hot bough]

JACKPOT!!! Just found the LF2 for $ 60 cheaper and import + delivery fees included.

[hot bough]

Let me take another look at that.

Is there no black ls720?

[odd siren]

Silver or white

It'll go with the aorus 4090

And tbf the torrent has a bit of a silvery look to it

[hot bough]

Mine is the gun metal gray version.

[odd siren]

I wouldn't suggest it if it wasn't a good fit lol

[hot bough]

Which torrent do you have?

Which performs better ls720 or LF2 360?

[odd siren]

About the same

I would put my money on ls720 tho

Pump & block is a better benefit imo

[hot bough]

Mhmm I see.

Currently questioning if I should buy the silver version of my ram if I did this because otherwise, the AIO would be the only white thing in my case until the Aorus arrives.

[odd siren]

Which mobo are you getting?

You're.getting z5's right?

[hot bough]

MSI Mag Z690 Tomahawk WiFi.

Sorry for the typo, z690 not z790.

[odd siren]

I was about to say

Z690 makes more sense LOL

[fading glacier]

to me if he is going for ddr5 then 790 made mose sense

[odd siren]

Keep the ram black

Nah he's going with 6400's iirc

[fading glacier]

ah

yeah 690

[odd siren]

790 is like twice the price

[fading glacier]

true and not worth for that speed

[odd siren]

Keep the ram black @hot bough

The silver accent of the block will go with the aorus

The ram not really

Instead do uhhh

Black and white or black and silver custom cables

[hot bough]

Does cabletie I think that's the brand have custom cables for RM1000X?

[odd siren]

Cablemod?

Yes

[hot bough]

That's the name.

[odd siren]

Specific replacements for it actually

I can't remember which version it is

But you can get a standard black and white pack then get a 12vhpwr standard black and white

Black comb set as well

[hot bough]

I see.

Will probably look into that in the future to keep costs down in the meantime.

I guess I should also remember that if I do a push/pull on the AIO not much of it will be visible.

So it'll just be some white accents here and there.

[odd siren]

https://store.cablemod.com/product/cablemod-c-series-pro-modflex-sleeved-12vhpwr-pci-e-cable-for-corsair-black-16-pin-to-triple-8-pin-60cm/
https://cablemod.com/product/cablemod-c-series-pro-modflex-cable-kit-for-corsair-rmi-rmx-rm-black-label-black-white/
@hot bough

Would be these

Although you might need an extension for the 12vhpwr cos that psu is way up top

[hot bough]

Thanks, will keep that in mind.

The fans on the ls720, are they good? If so I will keep them instead of replacing for p12s.

[odd siren]

They are

[hot bough]

Is a exhaust fan worth getting in the Fractal?

[odd siren]

Not particularly

[hot bough]

Because I just realized I only have 3 A-RGB headers.

So if I do a push/pull I wouldn't be able to plug in the exhaust fan.

[odd siren]

It's fine, LS doesn't really need push pull

[hot bough]

Is the performance difference between the LF2 360 and the ls720 within the margin of error?

[odd siren]

Yes

But again, give me a ticket to get either, I'd pick LS

[hot bough]

Will probably get the LF2 360 then because a pure white AIO seems to just stick out to much.

[odd siren]

It's not all white tho

It's black and silver lol

[hot bough]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/DeepCool-LS720-generación-tecnología-ventiladores/dp/B0B1HC4BTW/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3PQR2D4MH0JHG&keywords=ls720&qid=1670796012&sprefix=%2Caps%2C168&sr=8-1

[odd siren]

That's the white version

But there's a black and silver version

[hot bough]

I can't find the black and silver version.

Let me try looking on amazon.com instead.

[hot bough]

That I'd love.

Problem is I can't seem to find it.

[odd siren]

Well I was specifically suggesting this one

Lololol

[hot bough]

Oh, I was confused.

Thought you were talking about the white one I found.

[odd siren]

Nooooo

White for white builds

[hot bough]

So I was skeptical on how it'd look.

Only place I can find it in black is Newegg and they want $50 more for it compared to LF2.

So I guess LF 360 it is.

[odd siren]

[oak rivet]

Unfortunately it's not legit lol

[fading glacier]

thought as much

seems pretty realistic anyway, a bit higher over the 4080 but lower than 4090

guess ill keep waiting for tomorrow and delete this misinformation for good

[oak rivet]

Yeah people who actually have the card tend to be scared af before review embargo lifts

[odd siren]

@hoary sun

[hoary sun]

is that 7900xtx ?

Looks nice actually

[odd siren]

Ye

And ye it does tbh

Like a more subtle ftw3 or strix

I like it too

It's probably a decent design as well, the last gen sapphire cards were

[hoary sun]

Yeah lets see how 7900xtx will perform

[hasty sphinx]

Giant light bar.. on back side of gpu that's smooshed against the mobo. I don't understand their design this go around.

[hoary sun]

I think it will look better when you vertical mount it

[odd siren]

Oh yeah it's on the back too what the heck

Maybe you get the ambient lighting from it all over the mobo

[hoary sun]

it looks weird but I think it will look amazing if you build it with correct mobo and case

[odd siren]

I agree

[hoary sun]

I just not expecting much from 7900xtx lol

I think this launch will be similar to 7000series cpu launch lol

[odd siren]

Welp, AMD pulled it off

It's on the low side of what I expected but it's good enough to make a convincing buy

[hoary sun]

Now Nvidia don't have to cut prices lol

[odd siren]

Pretty much yeah

The RT has gotten quite a bit better too

It's now on good Ampere levels, can't really say it's necessarily unusable anymore

@fading glacier XTX is worth it

[fading glacier]

indeed, im looking at benchamrks rn

rt isnt that bad as we thought

almost at 4080 lvls as well

funny on ubisoft games, the xtx beats the 4090 even at 4k

those games are well optimized for radeon

ok....

this one is idk how to put it

why basic quality?

that could be misleading

[orchid loom]

https://www.techpowerup.com/302034/powercolor-reveals-the-red-devil-7900-series?amp

[hoary sun]

Yeah it only performing better on very few radeon optimized games

[hoary sun]

Yes its at 4080 levels at similar pri ce as 4080

Not makes sense lol

[fading glacier]

i call that a wash

4080 is 200usd more expensive but a bit better overall

while the xtx is kinda better on some raster, the rt and other features balance the scale for both

not bad, but not good either as steve said

lol hub at the conclusion stated that the 4080 is a superior product

big words

[odd siren]

I would disagree with that completely

[rugged thunder]

I just hope this means I can get a used 6900xt for even cheaper

[odd siren]

If you are building a gaming pc it's easy enough to say the AMD choice makes sense

It's the same way we recommend RDNA 2 all the time here for new builds

[rugged thunder]

Don't think RTX is important enough for most people to be a selling point

[odd siren]

And even then RT on RDNA 3 doesn't look gross

[fading glacier]

"because in almost measurable metric, the rts 4080 is a superior product to that of the 7900xtx, the rtx offers comparable rasterization, significably better rt, better upscaling, uses less power and the media engine is better supported"

auch

[odd siren]

"for $200 more" tho

[fading glacier]

well, now to see gamer yisus review

[rugged thunder]

Am I wrong for saying there's probably more people using 1440p/1080p then 4K anyway

[fading glacier]

well, you dont buy a card like these for 1080p

that people dont need to choose

[odd siren]

You are right

[rugged thunder]

Those CSGO players will

[fading glacier]

they can be very happy with 500usd cards

[odd siren]

Like I get it, a 4080 is a bit compelling for the CUDA step up for workstation

[rugged thunder]

CSGO players when they get 700fps instead of 500fps

[odd siren]

But for this server no, RDNA 3 makes sense

[fading glacier]

but then again, if you need a card for workstation you jump directly to the 4090, scalper price and all

[odd siren]

That said a used 3090 TI is just better

[fading glacier]

at the end, the card will pay for itself

[odd siren]

Not really

It depends on the workload really

But you lean towards cuda

[fading glacier]

casue the vram is the same on both right?

[rugged thunder]

?

[fading glacier]

could be currency on some game

on some gacha

[odd siren]

Well there are plenty of workstation cards that nvidia makes that are tailored better for the situation

[orchid loom]

Welp time to buy 4080

[rugged thunder]

Selling gacha currency on eBay

[orchid loom]

[fading glacier]

kenzie just wai9t for a 4090

[orchid loom]

Ew

[rugged thunder]

6950xt used prices gonna look real good soon

[orchid loom]

Why would I do that

[odd siren]

Lol.

Idk Kenzie

Why would you do that

[hoary sun]

7900xtx for 800$ wen

[rugged thunder]

Buy 4090
It lights on fire
Finally RTX irl

[orchid loom]

Bruh

[fading glacier]

this, ill give a day for a headstart before every person on the internet start ranting about a lower price for the xtx

[odd siren]

(HUB is Techspot)

This graph undermines their 4080 preference

[vital oriole]

So it leads 4080

[odd siren]

Ye

[hoary sun]

Zotac white 4090 wen

[orchid loom]

Never

[vital oriole]

it's as amd told us then

that's nice

[odd siren]

It matches the 4090 in some cases, 3090 Ti in others, matches 4080 most of the time

[vital oriole]

jesus

[odd siren]

Slightly better in raster

[vital oriole]

4090 match in some cases

that's just nuts

[odd siren]

Ye, few but they exist

[rugged thunder]

Now we just wait for the driver fixes and we're all set

[vital oriole]

it's already decent

[fading glacier]

in the cpu bound cases

[vital oriole]

amd drivers aren't very bad anymore

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

[orchid loom]

Nope

They are vad

[rugged thunder]

They can always get better

[orchid loom]

100%

Horrible

[fading glacier]

still that graph with modern warfare on basic quality bother me.... why they dedcided to test cards on basic quiality?

[vital oriole]

i dunno why's that

it's like they're trying to make the cpu the bottleneck

[rugged thunder]

I'd assume you'd want a higher FPS in a shooter anyway?

No clue tbh

[fading glacier]

this one

[vital oriole]

it's a gpu benchmark

they're supposed to push the gpus hard

[fading glacier]

bothers me so much

[rugged thunder]

Maybe higher settings use RTX so it loses?

[fading glacier]

are you trying to make the xtx look better?

[rugged thunder]

0 clue haven't played MWii

[fading glacier]

you should try as a reviewer to push ultra on everything

[vital oriole]

rt is always optional in any games

[fading glacier]

im not paying big money for basic settings

[hoary sun]

RT is amazing

[rugged thunder]

Buy top end gpu
Put settings as low as possible
Win

[vital oriole]

cpu screaming in pain

[rugged thunder]

Seems like the CPU's problem tbh

[hoary sun]

12400f : pls no

[vital oriole]

it is a problem when said gpu can make 13900k choke

[oak rivet]

this was impressive

[vital oriole]

due to it simply being so powerful

[fading glacier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500101029157797899/1051866741296345169/image.png

[rugged thunder]

My 5600 vs the 4090 I am going to torture it with

[fading glacier]

this one in case you guys missed the basic quality

[oak rivet]

nvidia drivers being more cpu heavy it seems

[rugged thunder]

Gonna get a 6900xt but keep the 5600 because it'll be funny

[vital oriole]

only a few cases where it matches 4090

so imo i would say it's generally 4080 class gpu

slots between 4080 and 4090

[rugged thunder]

Didn't they say it was a 4080 competitor anyway

[fading glacier]

not so relevant because we all know that at 1440p the 4090 is cpu bound, 4090 is a 4k card

[vital oriole]

yep

[rugged thunder]

Getting a 4090 for 720p now

The PS3 won't know what hit it

[orchid loom]

He said this test is cpu bound

[vital oriole]

cpu torture

[oak rivet]

i think we have been over this it is still a lead

[fading glacier]

you cant call impressive a test on 1440p

[rugged thunder]

I wonder if I'd need a new cpu if I got a 6900xt

Doubt it

[vital oriole]

it's not a lead when the cpu is bottenecking

it's like saying one case where there's a lead means it counts for the whole case

[oak rivet]

the nvidia drivers have more overhead then lol

[fading glacier]

that is another thing that boil my blood every time a review put that on the table "drivers will mature this, or there" like... same thing for nvidia drivers man... you review a product at face value... you don't wait for "drivers to mature" because the drivers for the competence will mature too

not talking about your last statement safi, just came to my mind when you talked about drivers

😛

[oak rivet]

X is getting 12 more fps then Z at 1440p it is a win for x cpu bound or not

[fading glacier]

even if at 4k X get 10 extra fps, while Z product get 50 extra fps?

[vital oriole]

lol

[fading glacier]

4k is where the ground for those cards is

[vital oriole]

totally not skipping everything else

let's just focus on one thing and say one thing is better

an exception is not the rule

[oak rivet]

i will always look at my realistic use case which is below 1440p even

ofc 4090 is 600$ more btw

[vital oriole]

and have fun with cpu bottleneck

one doesn't need so much gpu power when they're not even utilizing the damn thing right

[fading glacier]

in your realistic case of below 1440p you simply dont look at a 4090... even you know that is way too much waste for your target resolution

[vital oriole]

^

[oak rivet]

well we are not cpu bound here are we

[rugged thunder]

Just get a used 3080 or sum for 1440p

Idk

[fading glacier]

yeah on your realistic case you should get some 3080 and lower

[rugged thunder]

That's what I'm doing this generation anyway

It'd be a good bump from my 6700xt anyway

[fading glacier]

i had the chance to get a 4090 but.... why? im playing at 1440p.... will be largely a waste of money for me

[vital oriole]

probably gonna cause some unenjoyable time too

cpu bottleneck do be bad

[oak rivet]

think i gotta pay my friends 50 bucks now

[vital oriole]

stutters and everything

[rugged thunder]

Hey my room is cold rn anyway so maybe a 4090 ain't too bad

[fading glacier]

lol gamer yisus made power spikes testing on the xtx

[oak rivet]

has worse rt perf then 3090ti

[fading glacier]

is as bad as the 3090

[vital oriole]

well i wouldn't focus on rt on amd anyway

[rugged thunder]

Never have never will

[vital oriole]

it's established that amd will never lead nvidia in rt

they'll just follow

[fading glacier]

the chiplet design is a power hog on consumption with some lengthy spikes in power

not good

[vital oriole]

600w+ spikes?

[fading glacier]

on doom eternal 4k

yup

[vital oriole]

sadge

same old spikes

psu trippers

[fading glacier]

ada wins on power efficiency this generation

by a long shot

spiks by almost a millisecond

[rugged thunder]

Would an older 30 series or 6000 series be more efficient for 1440p? I would hope so

[vital oriole]

ada's transient is well controlled

[fading glacier]

and much much coil whine xD

[vital oriole]

nope, not for 30 series

3080 can spike to 500w-600w

[oak rivet]

its on par with 4080 most of the time in raster for literally 200$ cheaper

[vital oriole]

we're just speaking of efficiency standpoint

price is out of the focus for now

[rugged thunder]

Guess I'll get that 6900xt used instead

[vital oriole]

im sure everyone is aware of its perf and value

[fading glacier]

spikes of almost 90% of nominal power yikes

[vital oriole]

7900xtx is a great value, but requires beefy psu

meanwhile 4090 demands less

only 500w peak

[rugged thunder]

Then again you should probably have a beefy psu no matter what

Still troubling though

[vital oriole]

not very troubling

something like 13900k probably only takes 400w at absolute full tilt worst case

that's nothing 1000w can't handle

[fading glacier]

yeah not a trouble, you will have an 850w at least anyway

[vital oriole]

or 850w but that's pushing it imo

[rugged thunder]

I think I do have a 850 watt psu

[vital oriole]

unless cpu is like 13600k

[fading glacier]

anything less and you are an idiot by not spending for a good psu for your expensive gpu

[rugged thunder]

Gold rated I believe

[fading glacier]

gold doesnt mean quality

we have gold bombs

[rugged thunder]

Pairing a 5600x with a 4090 for best power consumption

[vital oriole]

people saw specs of 4090 in the leaks and thought it would be a power hog

[fading glacier]

and we have some bronze exceleent psus

[vital oriole]

but nah, more efficient and behaved than 3090

yet it's much faster

[rugged thunder]

I would hope GPUs only get more efficient

[vital oriole]

they will

[fading glacier]

they did, look at ada

[vital oriole]

and i mean they already do

[keen nacelle]

Look at 20 series to 30 series

Higher 30 series was much less efficient

[vital oriole]

it's just that the highest end of gpus are hungry by nature

[fading glacier]

4080 is the most efficient card this generation

power talking

[vital oriole]

due to it being pushed for perf

[oak rivet]

this generation only has 2 cards

[rugged thunder]

Boo womp

[fading glacier]

4 so far

[rugged thunder]

The 7600xtx when

[fading glacier]

xt and xtx counts as cards from this generation

[oak rivet]

if we take only nvidia cards into equation

[vital oriole]

xtx name is only for 7900xtx and above

[fading glacier]

and they are bad in power efficiency

[oak rivet]

tiny lead over 4080 in 1080p too love to see

[fading glacier]

1080p.....

you shouldnt buy those cards for 1080p in the first place

[rugged thunder]

But it's funny

So

Worth

[vital oriole]

lol