graphics-cards

[crisp tendon]

The photos in the user manual show an 8 and a 6 but I'll try and double check what is actually inside.

[crisp tendon]

Yup

One 6 one 8

PSU is a standard ATX

[heady turtle]

I'd probably grab this then and call it a day
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gainward-geforce-rtx-3060ti-ghost-lhr-8gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-20n-gw.html?awc=28821_1669913651_14157fa26492a31c45448bd48703bfd2&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=PCPartPicker _127079_Communities+%26+UGC

Ohh or this actually
https://www.ebuyer.com/1544229-gigabyte-radeon-rx-6750-xt-gaming-oc-12gb-graphics-card-gv-r675xtgaming-oc-12gd?wgu=267255_206719_16699137133873_c5dadd74de&wgexpiry=1701449713&utm_source=webgains&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=97907&utm_campaign=PCPartPicker, LLC_206719

[crisp tendon]

PSU is apparently 150mm x 87mm x 140mm, I guess it could be changed for a more powerful one 🤔

Would this be a decent PSU upgrade?
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-aerocool-integrator-mod-xt-psu-80plus-bronze-hybrid-semi-modular-atx-12v-120mm-fan

Physical dimensions match (height is 1mm shorter but that's it).

[heady turtle]

I wouldn't bother upgrading psu

Also that's a really bad psu

[fading glacier]

if you want some kind of "futureproof" go staight to 850w

most 850 are almost at the same price as 750 anyway

[heady turtle]

If you where to upgrade you don't need that much wattage as it's just for the gpu, and secondly you'd want a psu in a or b tier from
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[crisp tendon]

The problem is finding a PSU with the same physical size.

[keen nacelle]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vfBrxr/corsair-txm-gold-850w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020130-na

[heady turtle]

It's an egpu those numbers would be a huge waste of money

[fading glacier]

thats not a problem, the real probelm should be the price 😛

[heady turtle]

Current psu doesn't need an upgrade anyway

[fading glacier]

yeah but if both 750 and 850 are at the same price? which one should you choose?

[crisp tendon]

The PSU is held in with brackets that hold it in place, so anything beyond 140 won't fit 🤷🏻

[heady turtle]

Well yeah but 750w for just a gpu is redicolous, way too much

[fading glacier]

cant argue against that

[heady turtle]

The 300w unit will do just fine with a 3060 ti/6750xt

[fading glacier]

besides on that enclosure i doubt any 300w+ gpu could fit

[crisp tendon]

I mean you're meant to be able to get 100W out the thunderbolt port to power a laptop etc 🤷🏻

Not that in my case I can, since my Laptop doesn't power from a USB-C socket. But it would charge anything else you use it on.

[fading glacier]

yeah but power is draw, not given. the thunderbolt will not draw 100w if the power is being required elsewhere

[crisp tendon]

True

[faint zealot]

So I just got a pny xlr8 4080 and was wondering if the corsair 12vhpwr (type4) (600w) cable will replace the 3 pig tail nividia adapter.
Psu = RM1000x

[heady turtle]

Yep

[faint zealot]

Thanks didn't know if I could go from 3 pcie connections to 2

Was hard to find an answer online

[crisp tendon]

So why do 3060's have 12GB VRAM but 3070 only has 8GB VRAM?

[heady turtle]

Because Nvidia used 2gb chips of memory on the 3060 instead of 1gb

[random walrus]

3060 should have been a 6gb card with a cheaper msrp

But instead they gave it 12gb and made it what $330?

[crisp tendon]

Is a 3060 with more VRAM better say for Adobe photo/video editing than a 3070?

[oak rivet]

i think 6gb would be too low

the card is powerful enough to atleast need 8gb

[random walrus]

Nah

Should have been 6gb and like $275-300

I mean in the future 6gb won't be enough but for a 1080p budget card 6gb is reasonable

[heady turtle]

No it's not

They went 12gb because it was supposed to be 6 but but there was a shortage on 1gb chips

[fading glacier]

that was becasue bandwidth

[oak rivet]

[fading glacier]

The reason the 3060 uses 12GB is because 192-bit cards have 6 memory chips used over six lanes (32×6=192). A 256-bit card uses 8 chips on 8 lanes (8×32=256). The 32 is the memory bandwidth of each memory chip (32-bit)

Selling a 3060 with only 6gb could be look bad, so they decided 12gb

[oak rivet]

there are examples of games like forza where it easily uses more then 6gb on the 3060

[heady turtle]

Possibly that too but afaik it's because of the lack of 1gb chips

[fading glacier]

could also be true

[heady turtle]

Because it was mid shortage and the rest used 1gb chips

[fading glacier]

thing is, bandwidth was the limiter

imagine a 3060ti with 16gb instead of 8... daaaamn son

[oak rivet]

even if the card was 6gb dont think they would pass along any savings to the consumers

[crisp tendon]

So are you better with more RAM like a 3060 or a better processor like the 3070?

[oak rivet]

3070

[fading glacier]

depends on the workload

for gaming? best processor

for working station? more vram

[crisp tendon]

The biggest workload would be if I hooked up a 4k display to watch 4k content recorded on my camera or phone

My 980GTX doesn't have hardware decoding for H.265 which my phone uses

[heady turtle]

No chance

[crisp tendon]

So trying to view 4k videos from my phone in my laptop is just not possible.

[fading glacier]

still if you are not video editing big files, you can safely go with a 3070 at 8gb just fine

not like the vram would be a limiter for your things

[crisp tendon]

Imagine if it would be possible to share VRAM

[fading glacier]

is possible, its called paging

😛

[crisp tendon]

So an application would be able to share the 8GB VRAM onboard and the 8GB VRAM externally

[fading glacier]

but there is a penalty attached to that

[fading glacier]

if you work with an application that use that much vram then you should jump directly to a 24gb gpu... because clearly you are making money with your card

[crisp tendon]

🤣

[fading glacier]

like a video editor o some content creator

[crisp tendon]

I've not edited videos for quite some time

Our desktop that we built when I went to University around 2010 has an i7 860, 16GB 1333MHz DDR3 and an MSI 470GTX

Which only has 1280MB of VRAM

Adobe Lightroom complains a little about the lack of VRAM

[fading glacier]

with 1gb i wouldn't be surprised

[crisp tendon]

Hardly worth replacing the GPU alone

Not when the CPU is so old

[fading glacier]

i still have my e5200 from my time in high school

solid cpu paired with a 9800gt

and solid 8gb 666mhz ddr2

[crisp tendon]

Our first PC was a 1995 era single core 500MHz with ISA sockets

[fading glacier]

cant remember the first pc on my home... was something 80286 or so

[crisp tendon]

I remember having to enter Windows via DOS

[fading glacier]

well enough of the vintage memories xD not the channel for that im afraid

[odd siren]

Damn, it's already xtx month

[fading glacier]

thats right

12 days of xmas

[crisp tendon]

Can you use a 6-pin plug in an 8-pin socket?

[fading glacier]

yes

but it will limit that plug to 75w max

[odd siren]

You can but you won't get full power

[crisp tendon]

Can you buy a 6 to 8 adapter and get "full power"

[fading glacier]

yes

[odd siren]

Not recommended

[crisp tendon]

I saw someone say that the 6-pin carries the same power as an 8 but somehow I doubt it

[fading glacier]

yes

[odd siren]

Because it's a case that, (I'm guessing this is the same convo as the egpu one) the PSU can't supply it

[fading glacier]

the last 2 pins are just sense pins to give the card the green light to draw more power

basically those 2 pins are grounded

pins 1 to 3 are 12v

everything else is ground

[crisp tendon]

I've got a 6+2 cable in our desktop

[odd siren]

Ok you can't mix cables

Ima stop you right there lol

[crisp tendon]

Wait

Hang on

I'm not that daft 😄

[odd siren]

[fading glacier]

we cant be sure of that

[crisp tendon]

I just mean my desktop PSU originally came with 6+2 but we had to replace the PSU so now I can't remember what it has, whether it's 6+2 or a full 8.

[fading glacier]

every psu have its own cables, you cant mix cables from different psus

[odd siren]

Does it have text print on the plugs? Match the font

[crisp tendon]

Oh that I know.

Can't swap cables to the eGPU anyway, it's not a modular PSU 🤷🏻

[odd siren]

Hmm, I guess all eGPU's are like that then

The one I used a while ago was non-modular

[crisp tendon]

Well the Lenovo one I have is annoying because you can't replace the PSU

[odd siren]

Well neither

[crisp tendon]

Not because it's fixed in place, but because the only entry through the back plate is for the IEC socket

[odd siren]

The core x was basically tailored

It has a 750W tho so it could handle any gpu that fit inside though

[fading glacier]

Guess the gpu

[crisp tendon]

500W 😕

[odd siren]

500W? Does it have a brand or partcode on it?

[crisp tendon]

Hence why I was looking for an upgrade

LiteOn

[odd siren]

Oof I have no idea of that one

[crisp tendon]

LiteOn PS-8501-2VB

[fading glacier]

gtx 650 on my drawer

[odd siren]

Ok them saying like, 200? 300? Watts max is all likeliness a good thing

[fading glacier]

with its own adapter xD

[odd siren]

Random psus are generally considered like, e tier and you stay well away from the max

So this would probably be like, a max 6800 egpu enclosure

6750 or 3070

6750 would be the faster of the 2

Actually scratch that, only some 3070's

Gaming OC would work

[crisp tendon]

This might work:

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/dnrmsi-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ventus-3x-plus-oc-lhr-8gb-gddr6-ray-tracing-graphics-card-5888-core-1

[odd siren]

I didn't realise there were as much as 22 pcie pins on some models

[crisp tendon]

Tho it does say 2x 8-pin

[crisp tendon]

I found an Asus 3070Ti Strix with 3x 8-pin

[odd siren]

2x8 power

[crisp tendon]

Yes. But I won't be using it at full power

I'm not one for playing the latest AAA games

And my laptop only has a 1080p display

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-vision-oc-rev-20-8gb-gddr6x-ray-tracing-graphics-card-5888-core-181

1x 8-pin & 1x 6-pin

[odd siren]

You may as well get a lower power target one with 8 & 6 so you don't need to kneecap it

Better one at full strength than one kneecapped imo

[crisp tendon]

I'm not connecting any displays to it, even if I do it's likely to only be one 4K display that's colour accurate and I doubt I'd game on that.

[odd siren]

Wait

Why you using an egpu??

[crisp tendon]

So I can get slightly better performance in Lightroom. I might use it for some games.

[odd siren]

You'd need to run it off the gpu to do that

So yes, run it off the display

And even then the improvements will be really marginal if anything

Unless your laptop is really choking rn

Lightroom is by design a pretty lightweight adobe program, as photoshop also tends to be

It's gonna make a lot more sense if you were doing like, premiere or after effects

What's your laptop specs rn?

[crisp tendon]

i7 6700k, 64GB 2133MHz, 980GTX, 75Hz 1080p panel.

[odd siren]

Oh a desktop?

What psu is in the desktop

[crisp tendon]

330W power brick

[odd siren]

Does your motherboard have an nvme slot?

[crisp tendon]

It has two

[odd siren]

Using one?

[crisp tendon]

Using both

And both 2.5" SATA slots

[odd siren]

Ngl the 6700K sounds like the bottleneck there

[crisp tendon]

Well I can't upgrade anything

Stupid 100 series chipsets

[odd siren]

Can't change mobo and cpu and psu?

[crisp tendon]

Nope

[odd siren]

Specific reason for that?

Is it a prebuilt or something?

[crisp tendon]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-U716-Clevo-P775DM1-Notebook-Review.155740.0.html

[odd siren]

Oh it is a laptop

When you listed the specs I suddenly thought desktop my bad

[crisp tendon]

Yes. I can't change the CPU because of the chipsets, can't change the GPU because NVIDIA f*&ked everyone over with the 10xx series and changed the layout of the MXM card the GPU goes on

[odd siren]

Hmm

How much is your maximum budget?

[crisp tendon]

Also can't change the WiFi module to another Intel one because the newer Intel ones require something else on the CPU

The ethernet is a Killer model which, again, is now owned by Intel and they changed the Killer Control software and it isn't compatible with my model of Ethernet controller. 🙄

[odd siren]

I have a killer network module on my old laptop

Was actually pretty good considering

[crisp tendon]

Yeah, don't upgrade the software via the Intel assistant

[odd siren]

^

[crisp tendon]

£17,000 less than it was a month ago

😂

At present, minimal

Until I build up more money again after buying a car.

[odd siren]

So as little as possible

Ok

Does it have to be a laptop?

[crisp tendon]

I do like to take my laptop on holiday with me

A Steam Deck is good, but not perfect.

[odd siren]

Ok lemme have a look around

[crisp tendon]

I'm not playing games as much as I was when I first got it

Idk whether it was COVID or a change in work, but I just find it hard to find the time and energy after work to sit down and game.

I'd considered a desktop for home and using the laptop while away

But I lack space

I underestimated the size of the eGPU enclosure

And like I said I don't play the latest AAA games at 4k 120Hz so I don't need something too OP, even though I'd love a good full AMD Ryzen build

[odd siren]

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-msi-katana-gf66-11ue-081-fhd-144hz-i7-11800h-16gb-ddr4-512gb-nvme-ssd-6gb-rtx-3060-usb-32-gen1-w
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-asus-tuf-gaming-fa506ic-fhd-144hz-r7-4800h-8gb-ddr4-512gb-nvme-ssd-4gb-rtx-3050-usb-32-gen2-win1
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-medion-erazer-deputy-p30-i5-12500h-16gb-ddr4-512gb-ssd-6gb-geforce-rtx-3060-usb-32-win11-home
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-medion-erazer-deputy-p25-fhd1920x1080-ryzen-5-5600h-16gb-ddr4-512gb-ssd-6gb-geforce-rtx-3060-usb
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-asus-tuf-gaming-fa506ihr-hn019w-fhd-144hz-r5-4600h-8gb-ddr4-512gb-nvme-ssd-4gb-gtx-1650-usb-32-w
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/156-medion-erazer-crawler-e10-fhd-1920x1080-i5-10300h-8gb-ddr4-512gb-ssd-4gb-geforce-gtx-1650-usb-31

I picked from a big range, some have a better gpu than others

You might want to consider looking at used for some of these but the cpu is what really matters here

A much newer i5 or for some of them the ryzens they use should be much quicker in photoshop

Sorry lightroom lol

Scan doesn't have the greatest selection but the prices don't seem too bad considering

@crisp tendon actually does your motherboard have thunderbolt 3?

Sorry the laptop

Lolol

I just checked, it doesn't

So eGPU just simply won't work

A newer laptop would be a much better idea, I'm also having a look on ebay for cheaper ones (I'm finding some but filtering for legit sellers)

Oooo here's a really really really good one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125564064009

[crisp tendon]

Yes.

[odd siren]

5600H will slap lightroom out of the park and the seller is legit

Almost same price as the 3070

[crisp tendon]

XMG U716 definitely has Thunderbolt 3

[odd siren]

Oh well the article you linked didn't show a thunderbolt port sorry

[crisp tendon]

I've used a Startech TB3->2 adapter and an Apple TB2 to FW800 adapter to use an Audio Interface.

[odd siren]

Oh the 3.1 supports thunderbolt 3, ok

[crisp tendon]

Left hand side between the usb2.0/esata combo and two usb3.0

[odd siren]

Why don't they just called it thunderbolt there? Weird

[crisp tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[odd siren]

Have a look at this laptop

This will definitely be better for lightroom, ima keep looking

[crisp tendon]

Eh. CPU is the bottleneck for Lightroom thumbs

[odd siren]

Another one, cheaper
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225164955850

[crisp tendon]

It's still a workhorse

[odd siren]

Yeah I'm gonna size down the search as I find cheaper

[crisp tendon]

Maybe I should put the money towards a desktop instead 🤷🏻

It's just finding space for it

[odd siren]

I could give you a desktop list if you want

I was just keeping to laptop specs

Tho honestly 600 pounds for those specs is extremely good

You get the screen as well

[crisp tendon]

For home use the Desktop is easier

But more expensive

Since you have to factor in the screen

[odd siren]

Ok lemme look at pcpp

[crisp tendon]

Etc

Thing with a desktop is I can buy bits and pieces

Get down to the nitty gritty

Desktop wise I'd probably go full AMD

[odd siren]

Hmmm

I can shrink it down to like, 700 pounds without the screen

So far

Yeah I can't really shrink it to the point where it makes sense @crisp tendon

That msi laptop and that acer laptop will run rings around the desktop for cheaper

Even if I factor out storage it's still not better

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VxrGMb

[crisp tendon]

I mean, I spent almost £3k on this laptop back in like 2015/2016

[odd siren]

No I mean, the laptops I suggested

All 3 suggestions will slap that laptop

[odd siren]

But this is better

[odd siren]

And this is better

[crisp tendon]

Then I upgraded the NVME drives from 256GB Samsung 951's to 1TB's 970Evo's

And the RAM from 32GB to 64GB

[odd siren]

I can't build a desktop that's better than those two laptops

Is 600 pounds ok?

Or should we look for cheaper

I build list for 360 aud

Hmm, I could actually

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ysJwnt

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185672260133

@crisp tendon

You can buy an external drive reader for the remaining drives that don't fit btw, or just bluetooth the assets you need between PC's

The neat thing with clevo's is how much you can stuff in the chassis, but that also makes it a bit annoying if you want to take all that acrosslol

4600H should be a good 40% faster in lightroom

Over 6700

Let alone the other laptops, 5600H will be even faster and 10400h a bit slower than 5600h

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225269612680

[crisp tendon]

🤔

The thing with a desktop is you can spread the cost

With a laptop there is a large upfront cost

With a desktop you can build it over 6 months or so when you get paid

[odd siren]

True but I can't match the laptop specs for the desktop price lol

So it's worse value for money

I mean, UK is in general pretty wack for prices on electronics

[crisp tendon]

I mean, as I said, I don't play the latest games, the most demanding game I now own on Steam recommends a 2060

And I haven't even played it yet

[odd siren]

I know, I'm not really putting in specs with a gpu with games in mind

The gpu is for other adobe stuff

[crisp tendon]

Probably the most expensive thing will be a monitor

[odd siren]

When you need it

[crisp tendon]

You could have stopped at "The UK is pretty whack"

[odd siren]

Lol

I keep my true feelings hidden

[crisp tendon]

Yeah there isn't really a #politics channel 😄

But yeah my laptop would probably be fine for holidays, outings to my Grans or whatever where I need a laptop but not extreme processing power and taking to work so I can work on my reports (I prefer my own equipment if I've got to work in the on-site library).

But at home a desktop is probably easier and better because it's always there.

And the eGPU enclosure can always be used for something else or I could sell it.

After all it only cost me £93 or so.

Especially considering most of the time I'll probably be taking photos and sorting them at home.

[odd siren]

I'd sell the enclosure tbh and the clevo and just grab one of those 600 pound laptops

[crisp tendon]

The exception is holidays in summer etc.

[odd siren]

It's a really nice all in one value

I can even vouch for that msi one, I've used a similar model

[crisp tendon]

My Clevo has 4 drive bays including the two NVME drives

[odd siren]

It's very nice

Ya just get an external drive reader

Ez fix

[crisp tendon]

They're bulky

[odd siren]

Those work with usb and external power

Ya but it's not terrible

My lad you won't find a laptop taking 4 drives unless it's another clevo

And again desktop is, just poor value

[odd siren]

Well this is a problem

3080 eagle rgb cable

Any ideas where I'd find the rgb strip replacement? Or should I strip the cable? Or solder a new cable??

[fading glacier]

get the solderin iron

[odd siren]

I'd need a new specific cable to do that tho

I think the fans you can order for it use the same cables but I'm not sure

If there's a place I can buy the strip then 100% ima do it

[orchid loom]

what did you DO

[odd siren]

Honestly? Idk

I'm usually pretty gentle with this stuff

[livid idol]

Message them and they'll send a replacement

[odd siren]

Message who

[livid idol]

Gigglebit

[odd siren]

Ok

[livid idol]

Accessories are covered under the same warranty as the GPU usually, and it's definitely NOT supposed to do that

[orchid loom]

Ahh I see I infected you

[odd siren]

I guess we need to eliminate the source then...

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

@livid idol I submitted the request, any idea how long it took for yours?

[orchid loom]

[livid idol]

It can take a couple days to get a reply and we're heading into the weekend so probably early next week

[orchid loom]

i tried to RMA my mobo and they never answered

nevermind im dumb

[odd siren]

Ok

Well I guess I'll start learning my soldering, nothing to lose lol

[orchid loom]

no

[hot folio]

I know it is showing soldering to a pad, but same concept

[odd siren]

Oooo

This is very handy

[hot folio]

I solder almost daily so if you have questions or want advice just ask away

Building guitar amps is way too much fun

[odd siren]

I might on Sunday

Thank you

[hot folio]

I learned to solder from this document

https://www.robins.af.mil/Portals/59/documents/technicalorders/00-25-259.pdf

[hasty sphinx]

Thank you

[heady turtle]

Haahahagahahaha
https://youtu.be/tPbIsxIQb8M

[livid idol]

Yep it's the 1060 3gb all over again

[oak rivet]

dont think the 1060 3gb perf difference was this much compared to the 6gb

more like gt 1030 gddr5 vs ddr4

[livid idol]

True the 1060 was more like 15-20%, unless you filled the vram then it was 100% less when it crashed

And believe me, it was easy to fill 3gb. I did it with unmodded fallout 4 at 1080p low.

[oak rivet]

well it is as time went on in newer games

but during pascal era 3gb at 1080p was getting people by

[livid idol]

Fallout 4 launched before the 1060 tho

[oak rivet]

hmmm

even with the 970 with its 3.5gb i dont remember having issues

but yeah this 3060 8gb seems like a horrible act by nvidia

does not seem to be any cheaper aswell

[wicked hound]

Im still baffled Nvidia didnt call it 3050Ti

They dont have one for desktop afaik

Then again Nvidia really on the bad path recently. Havent really dont much good.

[fading glacier]

funny how to allocate less vram with only 4 modules they had to reduce the bandwidth as well.... the rascals

its disgusting

[heady turtle]

Because using 1gb chips would just be too hard

[fading glacier]

with 1gb chips they had to increase the bandwidth instead

to 256

ironic isnt it?

they had the chance to deliver a better 3060 but they mangled the already mediocre card even further

[hot bough]

I saw something about Nvidia bringing back the supers this gen, is it true?

[fading glacier]

rumors and more rumors

[odd siren]

I feel like they're trying to push stuff further up the stack in anti-consumer behaviour

It's definitely a 3050Ti

Much like the 4080 12gb is rightfully a 4070 Ti

[livid idol]

Shrinkflation at its finest

[solid glacier]

uhh

[wicked hound]

"rightfully", more like 4070 at absolute best

[odd siren]

I still would take any name of 70 over 80

And additionally a better price

[wicked hound]

Most likely XX60Ti tier, but I cant guarentee that until 40X0-12 and 4090Ti are released

[fading glacier]

😮 every 4080 is available at egg

thats kinda weird

[livid idol]

I guess scalpers finally realized no one wants them

[fading glacier]

bots gave up trying to scalp those cards

maybe some of those are just returned cards

imagine if the xtx fail to deliver

ppl will be in droves trying to snatch a 4080 xD

[livid idol]

Nah they're still overpriced, cost per frame is the same as the 4090

[fading glacier]

"same" if you compare them to msrp... which is not a thing on the 4090

[livid idol]

Well that's mostly getting back to those scalpers lol

[fading glacier]

sadly is the same for everyone on the web, you cant compare msrp to msrp

because the 4080 have msrp, while the 4090 not

almost 1400 for the suprim 4080, thats bonkers even for a premium card

weird to see a suprim available e_e

[odd siren]

Bots getting ready for xtx more like

Fingers on the buy button I stg

No hesitation

[fading glacier]

ofc, 30 minutes before ill have all the info ready

hope to get a red devil one

[livid idol]

Dreaming of pipes?

[fading glacier]

you know it

[cinder stump]

how much performance is lost when you buy a used gpu compared to a new one? say like a 1y old gpu

[livid idol]

None usually

Unless it wasn't cleaned ever then it could thermal throttle

Or if it was used for extreme overclocking

[cinder stump]

ah ok ty

[fiery valley]

what’s better, rtx 2070 or 6600xt for same price used?

[vital oriole]

6600xt easily

[oak rivet]

6600xt is closer to the 2070super

[hasty sphinx]

6650xt is closer to 2070s. 6600xt is closer to 2070.

[hasty sphinx]

Mhm. Table shows what I stated.

[oak rivet]

Hmmm

Well 6600xt is the stronger gpu compared to 2070 no doubt

[hasty sphinx]

For sure

[solemn panther]

4000 series 🤮

[fading glacier]

[haughty wedge]

I am having a problem with my graphics card and this error for it keeps on popping up can anyone help me with it?

[dreamy dragon]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[dreamy dragon]

redhawk#5428 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[swift cliff]

Does anyone know of a 5950x bottle necks a 4090 at 4k gaming?

[vital oriole]

No

Lemme ask one thing tho, is this a plan for a new build?

If so, don't get 5950X, or any AM4 ever right now

[swift cliff]

Nah, current 5950x build, sold a 90 strix for 1100

[vital oriole]

Aha

[swift cliff]

So thought about adding 600 bucks and getting a 4090

[vital oriole]

Yeah it won't be an issue then

Should be fine with 4090 at 4k

[swift cliff]

Thanks

[oak rivet]

Hell nah

4k is extremely gpu bound

[swift cliff]

Well, it’s almost 4k

I’m gaming on a g9

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/b80PS2fwPEI

Ofc it has dlss if the fps is not satisfying at thoese higher resolutions

[vital oriole]

Dude

4090 can handle 4k on any games

Not even needing dlss

[oak rivet]

Don't think soo

[vital oriole]

Cyberpunk is just an exception

[vital oriole]

And your standards are overly high anyway

Honestly speaking

You don't need rt max on any games to look good

It's just extra eye candy

Not all everyone plays is cyberpunk at rt ultra

[oak rivet]

Still good to take worst case scenario into the equation

[vital oriole]

Yeah, but it's an exception

Not a rule

Your favorite game isn't the only thing one should care about

[oak rivet]

[vital oriole]

RT is still honestly a gimmick

[oak rivet]

No it's not

[vital oriole]

It is

[hasty sphinx]

yes it is lol

[vital oriole]

It's just extra eye candy atm

[oak rivet]

Play dying light 2 with rtgi enabled

[vital oriole]

All games looks great enough with maxed out no rt settings

The extra reflections makes no difference when you're actually playing

Unless It's games like control where it really changes how things look

[hasty sphinx]

I mean honestly though dude be baggin on 4090 RT capability when he can only afford 2070 super RT. Like... it's still better than what he's got.

[vital oriole]

lmao

[oak rivet]

I am not aiming for higher res anytime soon

Just pointing what 4k with rt the fps can be like

[vital oriole]

Also I would say that comment posted above is just stupid

Since 4090 is significantly faster than 3090ti

What are people even expecting with generational jumps nowadays?

Like 100% increase?

[oak rivet]

My strix card is still the price of 6800xt people pay for these days

[vital oriole]

Its price tag is insanely high, but I would say it's not that crazy given the massive perf jump

[oak rivet]

Learn to talk without insults lol

[vital oriole]

I wasn't giving out any insults

[oak rivet]

The other dude

[vital oriole]

Ah lol

[hot folio]

Lol that doesn’t mean much

[hasty sphinx]

In what world is your used strix the price of a 6800xt?

[hot folio]

And ^

[hasty sphinx]

Cry more.

[oak rivet]

I paid 500$ for my card

That's what 6800xt goes for nowadays

[hasty sphinx]

So? can get a used one for $240

yours is used.

so therefore it isn't worth the $500 you paid for it.

[hot folio]

6800xt used are $500 anyway not new

[oak rivet]

[hasty sphinx]

Tell me you don't know what you are talking about without telling me you don't know what you are talking about.

❤️

[oak rivet]

well at 4k its seems to be getting 60fps with rt on which is nice to see

[oak rivet]

During peak shortage

https://youtu.be/GuIav71867E

👀

Ok

Seems like the stutters in calisto protocol is kinda solved to a good degree

But it's still seems to be insanely cpu bound

[random walrus]

This makes no sense to me. Single player game with only a few enemies on screen at a time

And quite intensive graphics options to boot

[cold pine]

hello yall

is the rtx 2060 still good now in 2022?

[heady turtle]

yeah its still a decent card but you probably shouldn't buy one unless you get a pretty good deal one one

[fading glacier]

the chat about the 4090 with rt being bad was so refreshing with my coffee

[cold pine]

bro i got a deal on the asus zenbook pro duo i9 for 1000 pounds

but the battery needs to be changed

[random walrus]

1000 not good for a 2060 if that's what's inside

[cold pine]

and does someone know how much does a battery for such a laptop cost?

[random walrus]

Probably $50ish but could vary

[cold pine]

isnt the 2060 worth like 200?

[random walrus]

Less than

[cold pine]

oh alright

[cold pine]

but it does have the i9 and 32gb ram with 1tb ssd so i think it is a good price tbh

it is not that much used

[fading glacier]

which i9?

[vital oriole]

I'm assuming 9980HK

On a thin laptop

Heck no, it's a bad deal

The i9 will throttle or have crazy low tdp it performs worse than 9750H

1k gets you much better new laptop, like ones with 3060 that has much faster cpu

Dual screen is cool but the laptop can't cool itself well

Plus 2060 max-q hurting perf more

[heady turtle]

What i9?

Probably like a 10th or 9th gen one which would honestly be a rip off

You can almost certainly find a 3060 laptop that would be better for £1000

[cold pine]

why is it bad?

[vital oriole]

Their performance is bad compared to new laptops nowadays

[cold pine]

its the 10th gen

[vital oriole]

Just because its name is i7 or i9 doesn't make them good

[cold pine]

but my budget isn't that high too

[vital oriole]

You can get 3060 laptop for 1k

[cold pine]

and i really want the asus zenbook pro duo

[vital oriole]

I can already see a few on amazon uk

[cold pine]

ik but not dual screen

what i like on this one is that it has 2 touch screens

[heady turtle]

The second screen on those asus are tiny

[vital oriole]

You're getting a cpu that is going to underperform severely on a laptop

[cold pine]

oh i understand

thank you for your advices guys

i am gonna see what i can do

[heady turtle]

Older high end cpus basically will be beat or or at least matched by a few gens older while being more power efficient

[cold pine]

but the new gens are pretty expensive

[vital oriole]

I wouldn't say the second screen is small but the laptop isn't worth it anyway

[cold pine]

why isn't it worth?

[vital oriole]

Old gpu and cpu

[cold pine]

yea

it is like 2 gens old now

[heady turtle]

Also used for the same price as a new one that would be better

[cold pine]

in ur opinion if i get a laptop like this how much does it lasts before it gets too lagy and old?

[vital oriole]

3 years at best

[cold pine]

oh

[vital oriole]

2060 with underwhelming cpu won't fare well

especially with high res main display

it's got 4k screen i think

[cold pine]

yes

[vital oriole]

that's pretty heavy for 2060

[cold pine]

and my work is mainly gonna be web dev and game dev

[cold pine]

the cpu can be changed?

[fading glacier]

no

[vital oriole]

No

[cold pine]

like can't i put a 3060 instead?

oh alright

[fading glacier]

no

[vital oriole]

It's not a pc lel

[fading glacier]

laptops are one life on most of the components

thats why you need to choose them well

[cold pine]

sorry i mean gpu

not cpu

[fading glacier]

not on both

[cold pine]

it is the same for gpu?

[vital oriole]

No on both

[cold pine]

ugh

[heady turtle]

for gaming? you can do way better

[vital oriole]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-15-6-Laptop/dp/B0B9GP5RKN

[fading glacier]

welcome to laptop world

[vital oriole]

Get this and upgrade ram and ssd

You'd be below 1000 easily

[cold pine]

it's not for gaming that im buying, i only play league of legends which requires really little specs and i work in web dev and game and app dev

so it isn't that much of a big deal

[vital oriole]

Lots of money for games and stuff

[heady turtle]

ah okay so youre more worried about cpu performance ?

[cold pine]

bro rn i have been working on an i3 4gb ram no gpu for like 5 years

[fading glacier]

even if not for gaming, that laptop still is a better buy than the 2060

[cold pine]

indeed

[heady turtle]

let me have a look

but you would also like to game on it?

but if its just LOL you could probably do that v nicely on a modern integrated gpu actually

[cold pine]

8gb of ram isn't gonna do it haha

[cold pine]

yes but i don't play high specs games

[fading glacier]

you can upgrade both ram and ssd on laptops

[cold pine]

yes

[fading glacier]

and it will be cheaper than the 1k

[cold pine]

yes i already upgraded mine to ssd

[heady turtle]

let me have a look as to what id reccomend

[vital oriole]

The laptop in that link can be upgraded up to 32 gigs and extra ssd can be added

[fading glacier]

so, you shouldnt be worried about the 8gb ram

[cold pine]

but it is still slow af (i3) u know what i mean 💀

[fading glacier]

i3?

[cold pine]

alright thanks

[fading glacier]

its a ryzen

[cold pine]

yes mine rn is i3

[cold pine]

im talking about mine

[fading glacier]

is faster than your i3

[cold pine]

yes ik bro

[fading glacier]

im not following anymore

[cold pine]

nvm

i was just saying that even after upgrading to ssd on my laptop it is so slow

[fading glacier]

ahhhh

[cold pine]

im not talking about that one u just sent xD

alright ima go now thank you 😍

[heady turtle]

id probably go with one of these https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-vivobook-pro-15-m3500qa-15.6-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-512-gb-ssd-silver-10234428.html if you dont mind not upgrading ram https://www.currys.co.uk/products/asus-vivobook-s-15-k3502za-15.6-laptop-intel-core-i5-512-gb-ssd-grey-10240522.html

if you wanna go 32gb then the one that was linked with the 3060

[lone pond]

Put together a pc for a friend
He has an Asus b550f and a 5600x, and a quadro p2000 that he got for free from someone
Put everything together, booted into bios with no issues (no OS installed at this point)
Then everybody in my family got covid except for me and my 7mo old, so things got pretty hectic for a week or so
No big deal because he didn't need the PC right away, told me to just hold onto it and install windows when I got a chance
So it sat for a week. Wasn't powered on or even plugged in to the wall
Finally got around to installing windows, made the installation USB and plugged in his PC
Wouldn't post. No bios. Motherboard LED lights up for VGA error
Think "wtf is this."
Install my old Rx 570 in it to check. Works fine
Somehow this p2000 died while sitting without being powered on
Only thing I can think of is that it was already broken and the guy he got it from got it to "work" by hitting it with a heat gun or something along those lines, and power cycling it by getting it into bios killed it again
But it just seems so strange that it worked right up until I turned it off. Just seems like if power cycling killed it then it would have died while I was in bios a week beforehand, not while it was sitting

He doesn't care because he got the gpu for free, but I'm just really confused by the whole thing. I don't get how it would die without a power source or like, even being moved. It literally sat on my desk in the same spot from when I built it and booted into bios until a week later when it wouldn't post

[oak rivet]

It's the ray count

a mix of very low roughness cut-off and very high amount of BVH structures.... that actually increases the quality of the RT substantially

[oak rivet]

You try the card on a different system?

[wicked hound]

I mean a lot of the time when hardware dies from age, it happens during the power cycle.

[primal stag]

Hello. I am not a super tech savvy person, however, I was looking at the possibility of upgrading my laptops GPU from a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650, and was wondering if there is an upgrade possible. I know it's easier to upgrade a desktop, but I can't even find laptop GPU upgrades on newegg.com

[oak rivet]

laptops tend to be integrated

cant really be upgraded unless you go the egpu route

[primal stag]

whats the egpu route? sorry havent heard of it.

oh external gpu

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/FZSMcKbuEnA

[keen nacelle]

egpu isn't worth it 99% of the time

[primal stag]

roger, so probably best to upgrade my CPU, and let it top out at that

[oak rivet]

i am confused

[oak rivet]

you have desktop or laptop?

[primal stag]

laptop.

[oak rivet]

then how are you upgrading the cpu

they usually are part of the board

[primal stag]

mine for whatever reason isn't integrated.

[oak rivet]

name your laptop model

[primal stag]

Nitro 5, one of the older ones though.

just had the back of it off upgrading the RAM, and noticed the CPU wasn't integrated.

could have seen it incorrect though, I'm not a professional.

I'll just stick with my current upgrades, even if I could find a compatible CPU, I might as well just build a nice desktop that is easier to keep up to date.

Thanks anyways!

[keen nacelle]

yeah i wouldn't bother upgrading a laptop unless it's custom built to be able to be upgradeable

which is almost always a waste of money

[primal stag]

My living space is super limited, which is why I went with a laptop. So for my circumstance it was the logical choice

[oak rivet]

What logic bacca said still applies regardless of your circumstance

It's about all laptops in general

[keen nacelle]

i was saying upgrading one

not buying one

[orchid loom]

You could build mini pc

Lol monitor pc

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-21322-01-20G-Radeon-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B0BMM9F62S?qid=1670002872&refinements=p_n_date:1249034011,p_n_availability:2661601011&s=electronics&sr=1-243&linkCode=sl1&tag=videocardz-20&linkId=84fafb1dabc2ee149ac06b8689c4fe8d&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

lol

[oak rivet]

why is the back blocked

thats just trapping a lot of heat in there

will have to see how it performs thermally

[wicked hound]

It will trap more heat, but I cant see it being much more then margin of error. Shouldnt be of concern for basically anyone, and if it is the thing that pushes the card into death then there were larger issues beforehand (ex: literally no escape for air inside of case).

[orchid loom]

Well air still blows out aide

It will do a L

[primal stag]

Tbh, if I build a PC, it'll be a full sized gaming PC. My laptop does everything I would need for anything else.

[orchid loom]

Well I mean you can build what you want but if you still want the whole portability they make pc cases that are small and still fit a gpu into them that can be portable

[primal stag]

That's fair enough, I appreciate that.
The last mini PC I had kinda crapped out in less then a year of having it, and finding parts was a pain, but that was years ago, so maybe it would be better now.

[lone pond]

Yeah I tried it in my PC, but I didn't want to mess with the drivers cause I'm lazy and don't really care (6800xt) so I tried it on my son's too (1080) and no luck
Didn't do anything with drivers on his either, but if the card wasnt dead it should have at least posted, even without proper drivers. I could see it maybe not working with amd drivers installed just because, so I tried on an Nvidia system too with no luck.

Again, it isn't a big deal to him either, since he got it for free and planned to upgrade anyway and I'm letting him use the rx 570 until he does. He doesn't play games or do any transcoding or anything like that anyway, literally just needs display out.
I'm just trying to understand how a GPU dies without power or doing anything that could physically break it

[oak rivet]

A770 aging like fine wine I see

[ivory herald]

Supposed to get better w/ age

[wicked hound]

I mean without knowing how the tests were done and if they were actually good, well within margin of error. Assuming the testing was done well and fair, still not that far outside of margin of error.

[cerulean rover]

or, maybe that guy installed more bloatware during that time lol

[coral walrus]

Do y’all think 1440p is a good match for a 3600x and a 3080?

[random walrus]

Might run into a cpu bottleneck in some games but probably not too bad? Not sure, could search YouTube for benchmarks

[odd siren]

I'd be more interested in that A770 graph if it showed lows

[random walrus]

yeah a 5 percent decrease (which again, could be margin of error) in exchange for more stable framerates would be well worth it for the arc line

[wicked hound]

As another small nitpick I have, I want driver versions as the labels. Driver launch dates can be given underneath driver versions if it's something one wants to include.

[oak rivet]

yes it will do fine

[heady turtle]

A whole 4fps increase.... Okay dx11 and see how well it does lol

Oh nvm why is launch on the bottom

[rugged thunder]

For the Xmas season
Might upgrade to a 6800xt or a 6900

Whatever I can get for a good price

Never see much coverage about the base amd gpus

[gray river]

i am looking for a gpu upgrade for an older PC. I have a Dell XPS 8700 with i5-4430, 16GB ram and an Nvidia GeForce GT 635 video card. I am looking to get a better video card for my daughter to play 'Fortnite". Any suggestions?

[rugged thunder]

Do you know how much power the PSU can supply?

[gray river]

it is stock, so i think ~460w

[rugged thunder]

How many pin connectors for the gpu?

[gray river]

it is installed on a PCI bus. is that enough of an answer?

[rugged thunder]

Ah

Low profile?

[gray river]

i believe so

[rugged thunder]

Hm

I believe the RX 6400 rn is a decent pic

You said Fortnite, lemme see if there's any benchmarks

Although we might have to wait for those, new season came out

[gray river]

new season => why i am on this chat

[rugged thunder]

Yeah yeah

I assume preformance changes from season to season

[gray river]

worked before, but on the lowest settings. i either upgrade the box or buy a new one for her to game on.

[rugged thunder]

Makes sense

Does she just play Fortnite I assume?

And nothing else?

[gray river]

for now, just Fortnite and i play too of course.

per Dell's specs on my 8700 - "one PCI-Express x16, single-width, full length
graphics card"

[rugged thunder]

I assume you'd rather just upgrade if you can

I'll see if there's something I'm missing on the system

[gray river]

i will still want to upgrade if it is easy and doesn't cost too much

i am just looking for better, not necessarily cutting edge. i don't expect a lot from this machine gaming-wise.

[rugged thunder]

Looking at a manual for it atm

Next time you can, see if you have those power cables in the image

Usually 6 or 8 pin

If so you have a few more options for the PC

[gray river]

Yes, i have a 6 pin in the case. it is not connected to the video card, it is just hanging there

[rugged thunder]

Pretty sure something as simple as a 1650 would be more then enough for Fortnite low settings now a days

[rugged thunder]

Alright that's good

[gray river]

i have not played around inside a PC for a few decades. which 1650 do you recommend? which manufacturer?

[rugged thunder]

Eh I'm looking right now

Maybe the 6500xt is worth looking at

Assuming you guys are just using 1080p

It's usually cheaper then said 1650

[gray river]

just using twin Dell 24" monitors

[rugged thunder]

Found this one on sale at the moment

Although it's pretty much a tossup between the 1650 super and this to my understanding

[gray river]

one is nvidia and the other amd, right?

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

AMD cards usually are cheaper then said Nvidia equivalents, but it's always worth looking around

[gray river]

great! i'll look at those. thanks for all of your help.

any issues changing drivers on my pc between nvidia and amd. i just need to remove all that is there for what i have and install new.

[rugged thunder]

Usually just need to install adrenalin/whatever is Nvidia's equivalent is

They install the drivers

[gray river]

👍

[rugged thunder]

Sometimes looking for used versions of these cards can help

If these two were the same price, the 1650 super would probably be the better buy

But ya know, GPU prices suck

[gray river]

yes, i am learning that these $$ are higher than i expected. it makes buying a new "budget" PC more attractive, since everything is newer.

[rugged thunder]

If you do have the budget

Buying a new pre built could be a decent overhaul

If you don't want to build a PC, which is valid

My first ever PC was a Pavilion pre built

[gray river]

not sure of my first brand, but it had a 30 meg hard drive

[rugged thunder]

Pre builts are kinda a minefield

Good ones do exist

Just gotta look for them

[gray river]

again, thanks for the advice.

[rugged thunder]

Don't mention it

Hope you find something good that works

[fading glacier]

1650 is an extremeley better buy than a 6500xt on that build

6500xt is plain garbage

[rugged thunder]

6500xt is also usually under $200

I said if they were the same price just get the 1650 super

[fading glacier]

yeah but is a waste of money on that setup

even cheaper is just a plain bad choice

[rugged thunder]

But knowing Nvidia

It will not be the same price

[fading glacier]

6500xt just have 4 lanes of pcie4 to communicate, his/her pc is pcie gen 3 so it will hurt the performance even more

not to mention that without rebar on that... nope just no

maybe at 100 could be worth for a extremely budget system... maybe

[rugged thunder]

i was gonna comment on a cpu upgrade but it felt out of place

[fading glacier]

6500xt at gen 4 barely competes with a 1650s... his pc at gen 3 will have the performance as a 1060 3gb

[quartz gull]

I only would recommend a 6500XT where you have a PCIE 4 compatible AMD CPU that can also turn on SAM

Idk where you are but used 2060's are going for about $180 here, I would try looking used before you touch cards like the 6500XT

[random walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903768190717411339/981666325866885180/unknown.png

For reference

[random walrus]

Are there 6 pin 2060 cards or only 8?

[fading glacier]

only 8

[random walrus]

So no 2060 then

Unless you used a 6 to 8 pin adapter which seems sus

[quartz gull]

1660 supers are usually $150ish used over here too, those are decent 6 pin cards

[random walrus]

That's probably the best card you can get with 6pin power

[fading glacier]

he can use a 2060 with the 6 pins as well

just limited in the wattage it can eat

[random walrus]

Pcie slot is 75w yeah?

So 150W total with that and the 6pin

[fading glacier]

yeah

should be 225 with a full pcie 8pin, but... its a 2060 after all

you wont get near that on a normal use

[random walrus]

Iirc founders 2060 was 160W so 150 should probably work

[fading glacier]

ill try to get an used 2060 over a brand new 6500xt any day of the week

6500xt shouldnt exist in the first place

[random walrus]

Yeah even if you had to reduce the power limit of the 2060 it would be a lot faster

[random walrus]

Well I'm all for budget cards but they should have better price to performance than the 6500xt

[heady turtle]

Hell 8 pin is enough for the 3060 ti

[random walrus]

6pin is 75 but 8pin is 150 right?

[heady turtle]

Something like that

[lone pond]

Not really sure where else to put this but is there a way to permanently disable whisper 2.0

It keeps turning back on in my geforce experience settings

and it locks my fps to 60

[hot folio]

Just speak louder smh

[lone pond]

True

I should have tried that

[wicked hound]

Tbf, my suggestion is just to remove GFE and use NCP.

Plus AB for better PWR/fan management if needed.

That said, dont have an actual solution to broken GFE apart from reinstall.

[lone pond]

whats NCP again

AB = afterburner?

I dont actually use geforce experience for anything besides instant replay/clipping and the FPS overlay which can easily be done in other programs

[oak rivet]

Think the only base cards are 6600,6700 and 6800

There is no 6900 non xt

[wicked hound]

NCP = Nvidia Control Panel
AB = Afterburner

[lone pond]

oh ok

[wicked hound]

If you're looking for replay, could do OBS. That has the option too iirc and shouldnt be a perf hit or anything.

[oak rivet]

GFE is just too convenient ngl

[orchid loom]

Nah we need 16 pin

600w 3060 ti

[sonic mural]

NCP = 2005 looking goofy ass software

Fixed it

Adrenaline >

[orchid loom]

Your bloatware

[solemn panther]

Huh. The 4080 16gb will be getting a price cut soon

[random walrus]

I heard it was like 5%

[solemn panther]

Only 5?

What a joke

[oak rivet]

And that's on the European market only aswell iirc

[heady turtle]

There's now a HOF 3060 ti with 275w or something that's all you're getting tho lol

[livid idol]

It has G6X too lol

[heady turtle]

The more interesting thing is more cores tbh

[orchid loom]

Yea

[oak rivet]

Sounds low

Pretty sure some strix or aorus cards already were or past 275w pl limit

[heady turtle]

It's 216w for the strix

[heady turtle]

That's not an official bios

[livid idol]

Considering it's HoF I wouldn't be surprised if it went well past the 275, that's always been the kingpin competitor model

[oak rivet]

the point of hof was to never have a pl limit

something ridiculous like 1kw

[livid idol]

On top tier models yeah

And the OC bios would have no other limits either like temp limit

So it boosts higher with no regard for itself

[oak rivet]

they are still voltage limited at 1093mv tho

[livid idol]

True, thanks to nvidia, but that won't stop them from making it easier to epower it

[oak rivet]

[fading glacier]

not a price cut but a price normalization in europe cause the euro situation, so the cards could be at the same price as the US cards

the media wants to clickbait everyone with that tag of "price cuts" xD

[wicked hound]

Yep, it be big dumb. No one is calling anyone out on it either which is also big dumb.

[wicked hound]

Should be easy to hook up an EV2 for most people. Could still epower for the ones that really go ham.

[restive prism]

Does anyone have experience with taking apart graphics cards to fix them?

I got a $20 1660 super in hopes of fixing it

[livid idol]

Whether it can be fixed at all depends on what the problem is

If it's that cheap I doubt fixing it would be easy, if not impossible

[fading glacier]

also, to physically fix actual hardware you should proceed in person, and a discord is not the right medium for that

i wouldn't spend money in something i don't know how to fix in the first place or have a backup plan with some friend/shop to fix it

[fading glacier]

https://videocardz.com/newz/colorful-confirms-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-graphics-card-same-specs-as-4080-12gb

900usd for a xx70ti card (if they use the same msrp)

at this point the 4060 will be an 8gb card at 700usd

[odd siren]

If it ends up being the same price I think people will be even madder. Lol

But they have said they'll be reducing the price on it so I don't expect 900

[fading glacier]

when they said that?

cant remember 😛

[odd siren]

https://youtu.be/V1O9oldh_g4

5:58 onwards

[fading glacier]

😮

[oak rivet]

https://youtu.be/omUTYlm2Al0

Seems to be a big bump now in dx9 performance

[random walrus]

40 series vs rdna3 is looking like a great opportunity for AMD to knock some sense into Nvidias pricing

Very excited to see AMDs budget offerings

Especially after the 6600/xt

[fading glacier]

yeah cause the rumors are stronger by the day about a 4080 pricing on the xtx class

if you add scalpers that could be even worse

it will make the 4080 the only viable choice if the xtx is overpriced or non available

[livid idol]

Not to mention rumors of a 7970 XTX or even a 7990 XTX

Which would have the power cranked up to almost the 4090

[oak rivet]

i think people seem to initially care about that but when they see the performance that ends up being a after thought

[livid idol]

High end buyers don't give a flip about power draw, case in point 4090

All they care about is the best for what they use it for

[vital oriole]

^

They can clearly afford a high power psu lol

[livid idol]

Personally I think it's a good move by AMD to let Nvidia brute force the top spot like that, since they can charge less for comparable products below that

Meanwhile Nvidia makes their uber expensive chip and no one really profits but them

[vital oriole]

I would say they do have better software to make them this confident

even tho i still find their pricing absurd

[random zinc]

7999xt?

[livid idol]

Maybe a refresh using GDDR6W would be that if anything

[random zinc]

prob sum new feature too

[livid idol]

Nah if nvidia can do a 3070 ti with nothing changed but the memory why can't AMD

[random zinc]

hows the performance of gddr6w

[livid idol]

It's nice that FSR is pretty comparable to DLSS by now though, and the encoder has caught up

[random zinc]

on the 6000 series?

[livid idol]

Double density, double bandwidth

[random zinc]

more heat?

[livid idol]

Not that we know yet

It's a thinner package size so who knows really

[random zinc]

cause gddr6x are hot

[oak rivet]

70 ti had some core increase tho

[random zinc]

they got more

[livid idol]

Yeah 6X is basically overclocked 6

[vital oriole]

but the 3070ti barely had any perf jump anyway

unlike the 3060ti with g6x

[random zinc]

why dont they just name the 6w to ddr7

[vital oriole]

it's because it isn't gddr7

[livid idol]

Because it's still the same memory, just packaged differently

[vital oriole]

^

[random zinc]

:/

[vital oriole]

basically an evolution to the existing thing

but it's still got double the bandwidth so

that's pretty cool

[oak rivet]

7fps nothing to sneeze at imo

[vital oriole]

7 whole fps

[livid idol]

Is that one game or an average

Outliers exist for everything, like the 3060 ti 6X beating the 3070 in some things

[oak rivet]

i was checking out memory bound games like valhalla

[random zinc]

if 6w have more heat it would be my next choice of a grill

[livid idol]

But yeah this is how they're repackaging the memory, instead of a PCB they're stacking it more tightly

[livid idol]

A whole 7% average

[vital oriole]

7% is small when price increase doesn't follow that

[livid idol]

Honestly surprised it's that high

[vital oriole]

but same

[oak rivet]

i mean the difference would be smaller if there was like no core count increase

[livid idol]

7% more performance for 20% more money

[vital oriole]

yeah but the price increase is way too steep

[oak rivet]

[livid idol]

$499>$599 is HUGE

[vital oriole]

cheapest 3070 i can see rn is $579

while cheapest ti is erm, 800+

[livid idol]

Which is a 38% difference lol

[vital oriole]

sorry, 749

but it's still huge jump

[livid idol]

29% then

[vital oriole]

and said cheapest model is ventus 3x

along with zotac trio

[oak rivet]

fine for a 3070

[vital oriole]

this is 3070ti

[livid idol]

Ventus is NOT ok with G6X

[vital oriole]

^

normal 3070 is even able to be cooled on dual fan

[oak rivet]

i would lean more for a used 2080ti compared to those two

[vital oriole]

ofc, they're much cheaper

[livid idol]

Or a 6800XT for cheaper new

[vital oriole]

hovering at $200-250 on hws rn

they're mostly oem cards but are dirt cheap

also i would say the same, 6800xt sounds nice

[livid idol]

OEM is fine, as GN has tested

[vital oriole]

ye they're fine

[livid idol]

It was the only part that didn't suck in the Dell PC

[vital oriole]

perhaps just loud lol

but they work as they intended

cool the dang thing

tho i would say they would do much better in an actual case with airflow

impressive how they survived being in dell cases

[livid idol]

Right? Dual fan 3090 you'd think would suck but apparently not

https://youtu.be/_8k5PCmFm7c

[random walrus]

Dell is so weird

Sometimes they're great but sometimes they're terrible

[vital oriole]

they have great engineers

just the bean counters making atrocious products in the name of profit and money

[livid idol]

Yeah, I suppose it does take a great engineer to make a chassis design from 1995 work in the modern day

[vital oriole]

lmao yeah

they did whatever they could with limitations

the fan mount bracket mechanism is so smart

basically screwless fan installation

[livid idol]

Well, something's getting screwed but it's not the fans

[vital oriole]

hm i suppose that's true

[odd siren]

Ooohhhh my

https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-preps-liquid-cooled-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-aqua-graphics-card

@fading glacier @hasty sphinx

Just this with z690 aqua OC

[oak rivet]

Reality left the chat

[fading glacier]

[heady turtle]

Dewwww it

[orchid loom]

Ew it's white

[fading glacier]

white is the new black

[keen nacelle]

now hold up there-

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-come-at-bro-ese-rat-gif-16181220

[hot bough]

What's the performance comparison between a 7900XTX vs a 4090 with ray tracing enabled?

At 4k of course.

[keen nacelle]

we don't know

but probably a lot

[hot bough]

Aight.

Btw any news on a potential 4090 ti?

[keen nacelle]

none that i've seen

[hot bough]

Ooof.

[oak rivet]

Rumours Mills say 4090ti will have more cores and stuff

The usuals that get increased

[fading glacier]

but the 4090ti was already released, at 9k usd

its called the rtx 6000

[fading glacier]

we already know that ray tracing is one generation behind on the amd cards

[hasty sphinx]

That looks so bae. 👌

[fading glacier]

7900xtx will feature rtx "comparable" to the 3090, according to amd themselves

so dont put your hopes on rt performance for amd, that card aim to crush the 4080 on raster only

but as bacca said, we know nothing yet

just... rumors

[hot bough]

aahhh ok.

Seems I am most likely gonna stick to Nvidia then.

[fading glacier]

well you either pay 2k+ for a 4090 or stick to a 4080, i dont think you will want a 4070 given your tastes for ultra high tech

😛

for us mortals, we rest our hopes on the xtx

[hot bough]

After the parts for my cpu side of the system arrives I will probs wait and order a 4090.