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#graphics-cards
fading glacier
ivory herald
Look at the right side of this graph and realize 100+ PL really doesn't do much. 
toxic umbra
So I MSFS keeps crashing in regards to my video card. This is the associated event. I researched it and it said to do a clean uninstall of the NVIDIA drivers and reinstall. Performed this and still getting the error. I'm not OC'd in any way for or fashion. Other thoughts before I decide to just blow Windows away and reinstall everything??
"The description for Event ID 0 from source nvlddmkm cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.
If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to be saved with the event.
The following information was included with the event:
\Device\Video3
Error occurred on GPUID: 800
The message resource is present but the message was not found in the message table."
odd siren
!ddu
dreamy dragonBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
toxic umbra
It's more thorough than a clean install
I have not...i did try this one - https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
odd siren
Ah ok
toxic umbra
thats the same thing
Ah okay then yes ha
odd siren
You did this in windows safe mode?
toxic umbra
You did this in windows safe mode?
That I did not do...
odd siren
I've witnessed that first hand not fixing the issue completely so yeah you might want to try that
That's in regards to nvidia driver crashing and such, the windows event viewer is saying one of the critical files is corrupt or missing
Then when you've done ddu in safe mode, pop the latest driver in that you can use on your card
toxic umbra
okay...odd how I can run the sim at times for like 10 hours without issue, sometimes it only takes 20 minutes to get the same crash...but i'll try that in safe mode next here.
toxic umbra
Then when you've done ddu in safe mode, pop the latest driver in that you can us...
But yeah the latest for my EVGA RTX 3070 xc3 would be the game ready 522.25...didnt really have the issue on earlier drivers. Wonder if something got jacked when I updated
toxic umbra
Then when you've done ddu in safe mode, pop the latest driver in that you can us...
Should I reinstall the driver in normal boot then?
I also have v517.48 that worked well for me…not sure if I should install that or the latest 522.25
odd siren
Should I reinstall the driver in normal boot then?
Yes
And try latest
If same issue persists, roll back a driver
toxic umbra
If same issue persists, roll back a driver
Okay sweet thank you…of course all ways stable before the latest batch of Windows 11 updates and driver update. 🙄
odd siren
Yeah
This is assuming the gpu driver is the actual culprit, if you have any afterburner or precision overclock you can roll that back too
But nvlddmkm sounds like it's drivers
toxic umbra
This is assuming the gpu driver is the actual culprit, if you have any afterburn...
Yeah I have afterburner but just use it mainly for monitoring since I don’t have it overclocked
odd siren
Ok np
toxic umbra
Might run a chkdsk /f on the system while I’m at it
toxic umbra
Yeah if all else fails…freshy windows install lol oh the joys
nothing really there except - CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
Usn Journal verification completed.
Correcting errors in the Volume Bitmap.
Windows has made corrections to the file system.
No further action is required.
odd siren
Interesting, how old is your windows drive?
toxic umbra
Interesting, how old is your windows drive?
About a year old, SATA 1TB Western Digital Blue SSD
odd siren
Ok unlikely to be that then,
toxic umbra
Ok unlikely to be that then,
Yeah rest of the system is less then a year old...asus TUF gaming x570 plus, ryzen 7 5800X, G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64GB DDR4-3200 (XMP enabled)...and the EVGA RTX 3070 xc3 I just got 3 months ago
livid idol
nothing really there except - CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
Usn Journal ver...
It's worth checking the drive health with crystal disk info, just in case there's other or less obvious errors https://crystalmark.info/redirect.php?product=CrystalDiskInfoInstaller
odd siren
livid idol
I was wondering how long it would take him to e-power that
fervent sedge
So for the same price, is the 6800 xt worth going for over the 3070 for ultrawide 2560x1080 gaming?
toxic umbra
But nvlddmkm sounds like it's drivers
I am doing a test flight right now in MSFS after the DDU driver removal and reinstall...so we will see if that did it. So far so good.
toxic umbra
It's worth checking the drive health with crystal disk info, just in case there'...
Thanks! I'll probably do that as well just to cover my bases
keen nacelle
So for the same price, is the 6800 xt worth going for over the 3070 for ultrawid...
Yes
toxic umbra
So for the same price, is the 6800 xt worth going for over the 3070 for ultrawid...
Yeah Im running the RTX 3070 xc3 from EVGA in 4K...with Microsoft Flight Simulator I'm running in the 40's fps on Ultra settings
fervent sedge
Yeah Im running the RTX 3070 xc3 from EVGA in 4K...with Microsoft Flight Simulat...
goodness gracious i should maybe even consider a 3440x1440 monitor then
or just have a computer thatll run 2560x1080 for like numerous years
idk ill be happy either way
toxic umbra
goodness gracious i should maybe even consider a 3440x1440 monitor then
If it were me i would definitely consider at least 1440 👌🏼
livid idol
6800 XT is almost equal to the 3080, especially at lower resolutions
dense cliff
If I had a choice between buying a 6950 or a 3080ti which one should I go for? Not really into Ray Tracing but I do like VR and I'm not sure how well AMD cards handle that.
keen nacelle
If I had a choice between buying a 6950 or a 3080ti which one should I go for? N...
6900xt
6950xt is just an oced 6900xt
3080 ti is only 2% better than 3080 12gb
dense cliff
Cool and the 6900xt is cheaper and has more VRAM but I heard the video encoder was bad... I haven't owned an AMD card since 2008.
west flax
Should I get the Gigabyte Gaming 3080 12GB OC instead of MSI Gaming Trio 3080 10GB for the same price?
keen nacelle
Should I get the Gigabyte Gaming 3080 12GB OC instead of MSI Gaming Trio 3080 10...
yes
heady turtle
If I had a choice between buying a 6950 or a 3080ti which one should I go for? N...
6900xt or 3080 12gb are best priced atm in most countries
heady turtle
Should I get the Gigabyte Gaming 3080 12GB OC instead of MSI Gaming Trio 3080 10...
Country?
west flax
thx
livid idol
Cool and the 6900xt is cheaper and has more VRAM but I heard the video encoder w...
The encoder isn't bad just not as good as Nvidia's and that really only applies to streaming
dense cliff
Does it apply to quest 2 airlink as well?
livid idol
No
Streaming as in live streaming on the Internet
The Quest uses a totally different protocol
solemn panther
Yeah Im running the RTX 3070 xc3 from EVGA in 4K...with Microsoft Flight Simulat...
May I ask what CPU you use? Have you encountered any stuttering issues?
random walrus
Can anyone recommend good undervolting settings / guide for a 3060ti?
keen nacelle
could just limit the power to like 85%
random walrus
could just limit the power to like 85%
just with the slider in afterburner?
odd siren
just with the slider in afterburner?
I follow this guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUkPAVcb9Xc
ivory herald
Also read this, especially the UV and OC section https://github.com/LunarPSD/NvidiaOverclocking/blob/main/Nvidia Overclocking.md
odd siren
Once you get a feel for maximum stability targeting the curve can be really easy on ampere
random walrus
I tried messing with the curve but couldn't get it to be stable when actually in games
odd siren
Yeah you'll need to play around with it a bit
Also the card will change the curve values by temperature so you need to get that curve locked in at like, boot to windows temperatures (or otherwise backed off a bit from max)
But that vid hits most of what you need to do. I don't do a hard curve with that method, I do a soft curve and I can get it a bit more stable
random walrus
is unengine superposition good or should I use something else?
odd siren
Time spy graphics test 2 is good
But you won't get 100% stability from any synthetic
You gotta honestly play the games and get a feel
Or otherwise be conservative enough to not need to think about it (e.g 45-60MHz away from the maximum stable you can find)
hot bough
What's the performance difference between a 3070 and a 3060?
Working on a budget build for my friend.
livid idol
About 30%+ iirc
hot bough
Sorry I keep forgetting what "iirc" means....
livid idol
If I remember correctly
hot bough
In anycase, so long as my friend isn't running extremely high settings, I am assuming a 3060 should do the trick? He plays Minecraft, Destiny 2, Halo Infinite, and a couple other games.
livid idol
A 3060 is perfectly capable of 1080p high or max in most games
hot bough
Trying to keep the PC's total cost within $1200.
livid idol
1440p medium in many
hot bough
He only does 1080p.
ivory herald
60 to 70 is a pretty big jump, even the 60 ti is moderate and popular for this reason. Depends on prices at* purchase time of course.
random walrus
About 30%+ iirc
more
livid idol
Then a 3060 is fine. Also consider the cheaper 6600XT or 6650XT.
hot bough
He doesn't like AMD due to bad experiences with them.
random walrus
Trying to keep the PC's total cost within $1200.
including monitor?
hot bough
So Nvidia and Intel are the options.
hot bough
including monitor?
No, but preferably yes.
livid idol
Then he better be prepared to pay more for less
random walrus
@ 1200 you might be able to get a 3060ti or 6700xt
if not 6650xt is good
3060 fine but not great for the price
random walrus
$265 6650xt still available :)
livid idol
Damn that's a steal for basically a 3060 ti
random walrus
oof
random walrus
Damn that's a steal for basically a 3060 ti
it's a bit lower but yeah still a great deal
3 fan probably a bit overkill but just means it'll run quiet
random walrus
this fair for the price?
$100 more for a card ~10% worse than the 6650xt
also AMD drivers are pretty good now and only getting better
grudges from the 5700xt should be dropped
ivory herald
Indeed. drivers from amd are worst mainly when a gpu is newly released & they get pretty good when matured a bit.
hot bough
Can I get some thoughts on this combo? It's for my friend who's looking to get a budget gaming pc. No AMD.
He plays at 1080p on games like Minecraft, Destiny 2, Halo Infinite, Ark Survival Evolved, etc.
keen nacelle
You don't need to post in multiple channels
random walrus
keen nacelle
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQRYhk
Better but still no
random walrus
what would you change
keen nacelle
5600 is $130, neither needs such a good heatsink, non K 12th gen cpus don't do well with 3600mhz ram
Case is pretty meh, not terrible but there's better options
Psu is overpriced
And ssd is basically a glorified mp33 for more
random walrus
Psu is overpriced
cheapest semi/full modular that's higher than C tier I think
unless i missed one
keen nacelle
Asus tuf 750 is the same price
Not really needed but why not get the extra 100w for the same price at same tier
random walrus
non modular i think
that or pcpp isnt showing it
could be fiddled with more but just to give an idea of what's better than 12600k/3060ti
toxic umbra
May I ask what CPU you use? Have you encountered any stuttering issues?
I’m on a Ryzen 7 5800X and nope, no stutters! Just the system taking a crap after the last Nvidia update
solemn panther
wow
lone pond
is there any info on when rx7000 aftermarket cards release?
keen nacelle
December third I believe 7900xt launches
idle idol
RDNA 3 reveals/launches November 3rd, goes on sale December*
So they won't launch it in November, so they're most likely going to build up stock and actually release GPUs in December?
Unless I am being stupid here,
vital oriole
release is the debut date
not sale
sale date is a different term
so it's like felix said up above
random walrus
@odd siren @ivory herald so the two different guides do different things to the afterburner curve
Optimum raises points while Lunar lowers them
balmy magnet
this RDNA3 discussion reminds me of the Oceans 13 soft open/hard open debate lol
ivory herald
Optimum raises points while Lunar lowers them
Yea idk. After hitting apply mine is: (Just doing near stock boost w/ a decent wattage drop)
odd siren
So they won't launch it in November, so they're most likely going to build up st...
Launch ≠ release
Before I edited that I wrote the same thing cos it's stupidly confusing terminology, I agree
odd siren
Optimum raises points while Lunar lowers them
Raising or lowering, either way works (Raising is easier tho)
Just as long as you target a peak voltage for your peak clock
The rest after that should be a dead straight line
random walrus
I think I got it to work
went from ~225W to ~195
and around 6-8C drop
might work on it more later but this seems fine for now
actually part of that was probably putting power limit at 100
wary idol
Hey I need some help I am ok getting a 3080 Nvidia but would like to know are there different types of a limited time from Nvidia?
keen nacelle
Hey I need some help I am ok getting a 3080 Nvidia but would like to know are th...
What
wary idol
What
Ok I need help with which 3080 graphics card from the video is the best for gaming and streaming and recording
X out that video part
keen nacelle
Depends on country
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sG6p99/pny-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-uprising-video-card-vcg308012ltfmpb best for US right now
hot bough
Any idea when the next RTX 4090 restock will be?
odd siren
it actually looks really good quality
cooler isn't bad
power limits are good enough
the LCD and RGB strip are detachable and dynamic
fading glacier
F it the shroud, you will slap a waterblock anyway
the vrm kinda nice tho for your plans
odd siren
oh yeah and alphacool is doing the eiswolf again so definitely thinking with that in mind
fading glacier
exactly
odd siren
wth the cooler performance is actually really good too
iGAME
IGAME
YOU DID WELL AGAIN LIKE WITH THE ADVANCED
ivory gale
I was hoping for restock today but doesn't seem like that's happening.
keen nacelle
A 4090 16gb would be pog
odd siren
keen nacelle
$1400 4090 just less vram
keen nacelle
Or 4080 ti that's a 4080 16gb with a lot more cores
keen nacelle
Or maybe they'll go back to titan
keen nacelle
That way they could justify a $2500 price tag
odd siren
I don't doubt it for a minute that they'll at least try again
keen nacelle
Felix
odd siren
keen nacelle
13900k limited to 80w supposed to match 12900k no power limit
keen nacelle
I'm waiting for launch, not bothering to pre order
odd siren
so think mobile
fading glacier
how did you find that
keen nacelle
Or since my brother decided he doesn't want my pc, maybe grab a 5600 and just keep my mobo. Idk
odd siren
Hahaha you have a lot of free time
fading glacier
so, a new gpu shortage xD
odd siren
it should do, don't expect amazing gains
fading glacier
man those 4080s will be mythical as well, like unicorns
keen nacelle
There's plenty of previous gens
I wonder if nvidia is restricting supply of them
So people see $1600 as a steal
fading glacier
a fair amount of 30 series are goin oos as well... like they are making some kind of artificial scarcity
keen nacelle
Well, that and production has stopped
But there's more than plenty on the used market
fading glacier
there is no choice there.... neptune all the way
odd siren
ya
odd siren
like if I'm gonna do that, I think I'd do suprim
fading glacier
odd siren
my board is black reeee
fading glacier
i mean, waterblock can solver your color issues
fading glacier
odd siren
fading glacier
yeah the waterforce seems mediocre at best
odd siren
suprim I'm very sure will have alpha aio soon
fading glacier
plus the dongle
odd siren
I have to take 3 fans out
fading glacier
bye bye side panel
odd siren
cultists said that thing gonna melt
fading glacier
too tight?
odd siren
to quote "600W through a tiny pcb"
fading glacier
yeah, had the same thought
but who knows
but the connector itself is pretty tiny for that amount of wattage
odd siren
this is gonna sound dumb but even as stupid as the aorus looks
considering the limits of OC
It's still worth it imo
they all seem to wall at 3000-ish at ambient, maybe a little higher
fading glacier
yeah but you will try to push it to its very limits
so...
waterforce is ok for an average like me, but not for your goals
at least that looks to me
suprim on the other hand....
odd siren
yeah I'm measuring my case for it rn
I'm pretty settled on suprim air I just need to know it fits
fading glacier
shunt mod that thing and let it fly
odd siren
vertical I mean
keen nacelle
I wonder how the 4080 ocs
odd siren
shunt mod that thing and let it fly
sadly shunt mods do nothing
fading glacier
I wonder how the 4080 ocs
if amd lineup is weak, then the 4080 will be my last frontier
keen nacelle
Make a custom vbios
odd siren
I wonder how the 4080 ocs
it probably does a 3080 10gb sort of thing where it boosts a bit higher and gets close
odd siren
ada is voltage limited first and foremost
keen nacelle
I've high hopes for 7000 series
Unlike 7000 series, 7000 series seems promising
Amirite?
keen nacelle
if it doesn't I'll yeet 3 fans out for a few months
Just widen the case
odd siren
Just widen the case
- summons aorus master *
keen nacelle
Grab each side and pull
odd siren
I was checking vertical mount clearance vs. my current cpu block and the tubes
It'll fit horizontal if I remove a set of fans but vertical I might go with for now
odd siren
29th
heady turtle
Ok, I ordered the suprim
Owo how many monies
heady turtle
fading glacier
odd siren
heady turtle
Isn't msrp like 2800 Australian rupees?
heady turtle
Felix
fading glacier
msrp hahahaha
heady turtle
Oml
fading glacier
what a joke
odd siren
you get like, two options for msrp here
heady turtle
What about models like tuf and gaming x they're msrp in us?
odd siren
I did genuinely take it into consideration
heady turtle
Which ones?
odd siren
the gaming X was not in stock
you had tuf non OC which I thought about
and colorful battleax or whatever it is
It's not much of a concern for me anyway
If I wanted to save I'd exchange for a 13600K first
heady turtle
But 1k over msrp
odd siren
strix is almost 4K btw
odd siren
But 1k over msrp
only 600, I had insurance and paypal charges over the price I wrote
fading glacier
while delivering an ok card
odd siren
but yeah I get it, I paid over msrp
follow what I say not what I do
well all that I have left to get now is A die
the trifecta
fading glacier
pepperridge farm remembers
odd siren
heady turtle
Felixs wallet :$69.420 remaining
odd siren
I think ima flip the 5900X after this, put 32gb with it and maybe the 6600 and pass the 3080 on
ivory gale
Where are you finding cards 
odd siren
you'd think I'd show you after all that effort to stop you? 
heady turtle
Colourful taking evga place?
odd siren
good cooling
heady turtle
I wonder what it's like in eu
odd siren
I saw that and genuinely wanted to try it but nahhhh
odd siren
24+4 stage 55A vrm
cooling better than even the tuf??
like that's a nice card
I thought ampere's igame advanced was really good too but I know a number of people who didn't agree
that funny red ring one around the center fan
heady turtle
Aye
Can't tell prices cuz cannot find much stock lol
I feel if you buy a high end 4090 you almost gotta volt mod it right since aren't they all 450w pl?
odd siren
no
most are unlocked above 510W
but volt modding let's you push the power further yes
even if you set power to like 675W it'll still only really call for mid 500's (Tho GN's seems to want the whole lot regardless)
heady turtle
Nvm ignore that then
ivory gale
you would think they would be showing up on newegg considering the less big site drops over the last couple days but maybe not , maybe ill be waiting for a month
vital oriole
Should be available elsewhere if you don't focus on just Newegg lel
ivory gale
yea but that requires me transfering my crypto to an exchange and cashing it out with ach transfer which will take more time then its worth at this point possibly if newegg restock hits by friday
ivory gale
yea, the 4090 is the only thing tempting enough to motivate me to sell some junk nft's . so it may not be a bad thing for me to get it tbh. it could hold value longer then they might
lol
fading glacier
?
ivory gale
A couple got listed as recently launched or whatever it updated on nowinstock site but
I don’t think any actually came in idk
solemn panther
heady turtle
like, i actually was here as they are coming in this time still cant grab one
If you're near a microcenter you might have luck there
ivory gale
unfortunately not , Florida
ivory gale
... i had it this time after perseverance. Moved to cart, it password locked me out. dashlane log in for 14 days expired at the exact time and i had to find my master password to get into it again
rip
ill go onto to fight another day
sonic knoll
Hi! I have a plan to upgrade my 1660 super to a 3060 Ti. I am basically a noob when it comes to the physical upgrading of a computer. I have read a bit on some tips, and I know that I should check my PC power usage to see if I need to upgrade my PSU too. Anything else I need to know like compatibility? I also don't know if this is the right channel to ask questions in so lmk!
heady turtle
Hi! I have a plan to upgrade my 1660 super to a 3060 Ti. I am basically a noob w...
Just let us know your power supply model and wattage and as long as the model you want fits in your case (not a worry unless small or abnormal case)
hot bough
Basically, your concerns are:
- Power Supply: it's wattage and model
- Will the Graphics Card fit inside your computer case, case's will list up to what length of GPU they support.
sonic knoll
its a 500w bronze, but bronze is just the rating and not the model right?
heady turtle
I wouldn't put a 3060 ti on any 500w anyway
hot bough
Probably worth upgrading your PSU for like $80 to something with at least 650w and gold rating.
heady turtle
No gold has nothing to do with quality
wicked hound
I wouldn't put a 3060 ti on any 500w anyway
3060Ti is usually 1x8P no? Max of 225w average PL, transients shouldnt be too bad given low board PL. So ignoring quality concerns then 500w is usually enough for it. That said I wouldnt recommend buying a 500w to pair with a 3060Ti, but if you already have it then should be fine assuming PSU isnt bad quality.
livid idol
If you have an insufficient power supply it'll just shut off when it tries to draw more power than possible
Some power supplies kill themselves in the process
I do agree that as long as it's a C tier or better 500W should be good
The tier list is in the pins once you find the model
hot bough
Gold, bronze, etc is in reference to the efficiency of the PSU correct?
hot bough
Kay, so I do understand how it works. Wanted to double check.
fading glacier
there are some good bronze units and some trash gold units
heady turtle
Id in the us atm my choice would be asus tuf 750w for 80$
fading glacier
Never hurts to not waste energy IMO.
not noticeable for the average joe
cerulean rover
But depends on the PSU, if its like a 500w w1, definitely upgrade, if it's like a 500w T2 it'll be fine
cerulean rover
Never hurts to not waste energy IMO.
Really doesn't matter
Because ratings don't tell the whole story
livid idol
Never hurts to not waste energy IMO.
The amount of waste is measured in the single digits of watts, and really only matters on server racks where every watt counts
heady turtle
Never hurts to not waste energy IMO.
like less than 5%
cerulean rover
EVGA G2 is rated gold, more efficient than some platinum rated units
Because it actually hits the efficiencies required for it to be rated platinum, it just wasn't labeled as such
hot bough
Gotcha.
cerulean rover
Corsair CX-F, rated 80+ Silver, advertised as 80+ Bronze
heady turtle
like barely anything
cerulean rover
There's way too much that goes into it
heady turtle
Corsair CX-F, rated 80+ Silver, advertised as 80+ Bronze
but performs as gold with rgb off
cerulean rover
Just because it's rated a certain rating doesn't mean it's that efficiency
There's many units that are more efficient than their ratings tell you
livid idol
What was that unit that was bronze, silver, and gold?
heady turtle
cxf
cerulean rover
Cx-f
livid idol
Thought so, the RGB one
cerulean rover
but performs as gold with rgb off
It's officially rated Silver
Which is why I brought up silver
heady turtle
Aye just addinf also gold
cerulean rover
Iirc curve doesn't hit required efficiencies for gold but doesn't matter
livid idol
Yeah when you turn off the RGB it becomes gold lol
heady turtle
Iirc curve doesn't hit required efficiencies for gold but doesn't matter
With rgb off it do
cerulean rover
With rgb off it do
This is our primary source
heady turtle
The head of corsair psus not a good source?
ivory gale
By then they might be back in stock on the bright side
cerulean rover
The head of corsair psus not a good source?
Jonnyguru says it hits silver without rgb, bronze with..?
Efficiency curve from the certification:
https://www.clearesult.com/80plus/sites/80plus/files/manufacturer-certificate/corsair-rps0134-(cp9020217)-(cx650f-rgb)-1219.pdf
livid idol
What I heard was that it was bronze rated since nothing is silver any more, and then with RGB off it's gold.
cerulean rover
I know it gets better with rgb off
heady turtle
Jonnyguru says it hits silver without rgb, bronze with..?
Oh sorry I'm blind
cerulean rover
Iirc it couldn't actually hit all the targets for gold
Probably hit a few targets for gold though
heady turtle
It's like less than 1% off gold lol
Yeah almost gold
But I've never seen a psu with a silver rating advertised so yeah i guess bronze makes more sense
ivory gale
Fyi there have been some cards posted in new egg today if your like me looking for 4090 .just selling out fast atm.
hot bough
Fyi there have been some cards posted in new egg today if your like me looking f...
I can't seem to find them.
ivory gale
it was the windforce
but might have ended for now
idk
basically by the time it came up there was only a couple seconds each restock
ivory gale
Yea ... I have to get a 1599 model now because I have the new egg credit pretty much . Which is fine as far as the card itself but getting one might take awhile
hot bough
Aight.
hot bough
Do y'all think the RTX 4090 GPU will be in stock again in like 1-2 months at MSRP?
livid idol
By then we'll have AMD competing so probably
ivory gale
Hope so , somehow everyone is still talking about how the stock situation will be a lot better
So yea
ivory gale
the earliest i see them going up int he mornings is like 8 am for newegg so
fingers crossed for today
read some very vague articles saying some places would get stock in today yesterday lol
fading glacier
Happy to hear it wasn't the Aorus Master or Suprim.
i dont think the suprim air will be available anytime soon in egg... not on the site anymore
ivory gale
luckily i have a 7000D case... size shouldnt be an issue for me
vital oriole
torrent do be huge
fading glacier
hot bough
<@217356391675985921>
Thanks.
hot bough
What the heck is Newegg doing.....
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814133842?Description=rtx 4090&cm_re=rtx_4090-_-9SIBDCAJ980250-_-Product
livid idol
What the heck is Newegg doing.....
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814133842?Desc...
Third party scalper seller
heady turtle
LMAO
fading glacier
smells like newegg shuffle returning
ivory herald
Mmm, I love artificial scarcity.
ivory herald
There was a vid of someone holding that sort of setup by the mobo and gpu slipped out onto table. 
quartz gull
Today I learned the 3060 mobile has more cores than the 3060 desktop
quartz gull
I'd be more worried about it snapping a small board like that at that weight
fading glacier
the card is 2x to 3x more expensive than the board anyway
dreamy dragonBOT
Boooooost#9088 has been warned
livid basin
the card is 2x to 3x more expensive than the board anyway
The board is still expensive lol but luckily the way I held it, was safe either way haha
mighty hornet
It was his first day…. He got fired and they made him return the shirt.
livid basin
Why would anyone hold it that way ouch. Hurts looking at it
fading glacier
yeah, the board is expensive no doubt, but the gpu is way more expensive so, eff it the board
not only expensive... but non-existent at this point xD
mighty hornet
You think someone would know not to do that right? I mean the gpu is much heavier than the mobo, pick it up by the gpu or use both hands and hold it by both pieces
primal arch
Would anyone know if a RX 5600 XT is good card for the price of $140?
is it new? If so, yeah, pretty decent price
lone pond
is it new? If so, yeah, pretty decent price
It's used, but in it's original box and all that
There's like a bunch of them
Must've been a dude who built PC's and is getting rid of them or a scalper
Unsure
primal arch
I think 140 is a pretty decent price
but, caveat emptor... not sure if people use those for crypto farming or not...
livid idol
If done even halfway correctly mining doesn't affect the life of the card
keen nacelle
5600xt was a popular mining card
Not as good as 5700xt in efficiency or hashrate, but decent
Judging by the timing, likely mining cards, but as fal said doesn't really matter
oak rivet
💀
fringe scroll
Like how nones talking about the date
solar warren
If you had to upgrade from the 2080ti, what gpu would you buy? 3080, 3080ti, 3090, or wait for the 4000 series to show its true colors in the consumer market (4000 series prices went way up again)?
Also, why does this look sketchy asf:
random walrus
If you had to upgrade from the 2080ti, what gpu would you buy? 3080, 3080ti, 309...
Upgrade to whatever card gives you the performance you need
humble herald
Box only? Printed picture?
Um no
humble herald
Like how nones talking about the date
And as for the data that's when I built my PC
And right now I'm look for a gpu because I picked the wrong one
But why that's gpu is price like that I have not a clue
It could be newegg error
stable dirge
do u guys think that amd will compete with rtx 4000?
rustic pulsar
I have hopes that they will have better price/perf, not sure if they can compete with 4090 though
nvidia has come out on top over the last few generations at least (I think?)
stable dirge
Yea cuz i dont know if i should wait amd to release the new gpu's or if i should cop an nvidia card
rustic pulsar
Yea cuz i dont know if i should wait amd to release the new gpu's or if i should...
they come out in November so i would wait unless you really need a card
- nvidia prices will go down
stable dirge
ik
keen nacelle
do u guys think that amd will compete with rtx 4000?
I would be willing to be money that in real world performance, the 7900xt gets very close to the 4090
The 4090 is so strong, it's held back by its ports. It can only output 4k 120fps or 1440p 240 fps, which it does very easily. 7900xt I believe comes with better ports, meaning it could actually end up performing better in gaming
Well see
fringe scroll
The 4090 is so strong, it's held back by its ports. It can only output 4k 120fps...
Only "1440p 240fps" 💀
keen nacelle
Only "1440p 240fps" 💀
Oh it's very impressive, but if what I remember about the 7900xt, if its even 90% of the 4090, it will be better for gaming
But who really needs beyond 1440p 240fps or 4k 120 fps lol
Just a matter of price difference
fringe scroll
Lol seriously
keen nacelle
It's insane man, all these insane pro competitive gamers out here playing at 8k 144 fps, right?
And 4k 240 fps
fringe scroll
😭 8k 144fps
balmy magnet
i just want something better than my RTX 3060 lol
fringe scroll
Hey 3060 is a good card its just these new ones are insanely overkill lol
balmy magnet
i was lucky enough to only have to pay $279 for the 3060 (by selling my 2060 Super for $300)
ivory gale
in reality like, even with new titles and raytraced stuff/ new technology in games at worst could just keep 4090 forever at 1080 p and be fine 5 years from now on low settings i guess
fringe scroll
What lol
ivory gale
just that if something happen i went poor i could keep using the 4090 at 1080 p forever in fps titles
keen nacelle
in reality like, even with new titles and raytraced stuff/ new technology in gam...
So would the 3060 ti
The 980 ti is what, 2014?
fringe scroll
I dont think you're gonna have trouble playing games in 5 years
Especially with 4090 lol
keen nacelle
Still very good for gaming
fringe scroll
The 980 ti is what, 2014?
Yep and it still holds up in quite a few games
keen nacelle
The 4090 will be running games at 1080p 10 years from now with ease
ivory gale
yea thats nice to know for assurance lol
fringe scroll
Yep and it still holds up in quite a few games
Granted your not gonna get insane fps but still
keen nacelle
Yep and it still holds up in quite a few games
All games, worst you'd get it with is 1080p 60fps low
In a good few games high
fringe scroll
Yep
ivory gale
im just 30 now, i figure i have like a another 5 years tops playing competitively in online tournaments for my hobby if i felt like keeping up the training and practice. In other words , i dont mind going overkill atm lol
keen nacelle
The 4090 for 1080p is like nuking a dead horse
fringe scroll
Real
ivory gale
it depends ... for esports i somewhat disagree . Say your getting a 500 hz monitor that will come out soon and also have plans to stream during fps tornaments , record and upscale to 4k etc
thats definitly not the usual user though
basically its going to make your streams look better with less performance impact as well as recordings
still overkill even for that but its a use case
bottlenecks are weird though.... some titles probably get more at the cpu bottleneck with 3090 ti
wicked hound
But who really needs beyond 1440p 240fps or 4k 120 fps lol
Not with DSC, pretty easy to get 2160@240Hz
fringe scroll
Ok but WHY THO
livid idol
Rumors abound that new AMD cards will have DP 2.0
odd siren
do u guys think that amd will compete with rtx 4000?
There are leaks out of the 7900XT basically matching performance in raster to the 4090
So if the reveal goes well you'll see them possibly offer for 1000 or 1100 msrp and get far better $$$ value
And they can definitely afford to do that, their mcm design is much cheaper than ada's monolithic chips
odd siren
it depends ... for esports i somewhat disagree . Say your getting a 500 hz moni...
You need to be able to overcome the cpu bottleneck to manage that sort of performance in a lot of cases tho
For example R6S iirc has the same fps on 1440p and 1080p on a 4090
Complete cpu bottleneck
livid idol
MCM was a brilliant idea. It's basically like Ryzen chiplets. Plus you can have the less important part on an older node.
odd siren
Oh yeah, if they pull it off first try, they have a huge advantage this gen
Price wars could happen
livid idol
You need to be able to overcome the cpu bottleneck to manage that sort of perfor...
And memory. At those extreme fps numbers it plays a decent factor.
odd siren
AMD has every ability to reasonably keep the msrp they had before on their cards and play a hard price game
livid idol
Yep. All they need to do is price it right and the chips fall into place on their own.
wicked hound
I mean Ada already has pretty good yields. MCM will help a bit, but not to an insane degree (apart from getting all CUs/SMs near perfect bin causing less overhead for highest achievable stock freq). I'd assume biggest difference would be 5N wafer cost instead of 4N wafer cost, but maybe not.
fading glacier
it depends ... for esports i somewhat disagree . Say your getting a 500 hz moni...
haha i think you missed the memo.... at 1080p the 4090 is soooo bottlenecked that a 3080 will match its performance at that resolution.... like bacca said: nuking a dead horse on 1080p.... the heavy bottleneck remains at 1440p so largely a waste as well.... only at 4k the card truly shines for what it is
ivory gale
all good, i know you guys feel that way. i have no interest in 4k though if i wanted graphics ill just use it with my vr headset
fading glacier
point is, if you dont play at 4k then the 4090 is a waste of money, thru and thru
ivory gale
not to me, but so be it if it is
fringe scroll
Yep
fringe scroll
not to me, but so be it if it is
Bruh
Your not gonna notice a difference unless u have an insanely powerful cpu lol
At lower res
lone pond
If done even halfway correctly mining doesn't affect the life of the card
This is one of the pictures from the guy selling them
ivory gale
7950 x 420 mm aio individual core undervolting and +200 boost clock increase. even a slight difference would make it worth it for me. and that i know ill achieve in some fps going from a 3080 while also streaming. because nvenc has a harder performance hit . at 360 hz i can feel drops below it playing competitively easy.
fading glacier
all good, i know you guys feel that way. i have no interest in 4k though if i wa...
feel? the benchmarks are there my man, at 4k the card is 70% faster, at 1440 only 30% and at 1080p is just 10% faster than the 3090
ivory gale
can also play on high settings for the streams to look better along with av1
fading glacier
cpu bottleneck is real at that resolution
ivory gale
anyway, the 3080 is not doing it for me
fading glacier
and that bottleneck was benchamrked using the 12900k and the 5800x3d
ivory gale
it is , but there are different degrees of it. there will still be 1080 p fps increases depending on the game ive seen that much from benchmarks
fading glacier
it will even worse with older cpus
ivory gale
id be happy with 10-20% increase
fading glacier
10% increase at 1080p for like 2 grands?
well your money anyway
you can get a 3090 at 950 rn that will perform almost identical at 1080p
and even then the 3090 is a waste
ivory gale
yea no av1 though
lone pond
Judging by the timing, likely mining cards, but as fal said doesn't really matte...
I just wanted to make sure it's a good card for the price
fading glacier
av1 for 2 grands, as i said.... your money man, we cant go against your will at this point
i was ready to buy one at day one but the bneck is so big at 1440p for me to even consider. ill wait for 4080/7900xt instead... ill probably find the same bottleneck as the 4090 but for much much less money
odd siren
This is one of the pictures from the guy selling them
that unironically gives me confidence it's a working card tbh
clean room, sorted, clearly from mining
lad likely knows what he was doing
lone pond
lad likely knows what he was doing
He is strict as well
Scares me a bit my brother won't be able to buy it
odd siren
lone pond
My brother will be able to pay for it and do the signature and all
I think it's just the eBay account or something that would look odd
Since my brother hasn't used his in awhile
heady turtle
He is strict as well
That's a good thing imo
lone pond
That's a good thing imo
I have no issue with it, I'm just hoping he'll sell it to my brother
heady turtle
Since my brother hasn't used his in awhile
Any other friends/ family members have one with good reviews?
lone pond
Any other friends/ family members have one with good reviews?
Hmmmmm
I think I did try to place a bid on my account not too long ago
On a GTX 1060
One sec
I've done a lot of searching between monitors and GPU's
I don't know if that counts as activity though
I made my account on October 13th
Well again it's not gonna be my account buying it
I'm just hoping it all goes well
fringe scroll
Or should i just look on ebay lol
odd siren
not the place to ask here
if you want new I'd suggest RX 6600 at that amount
that's good for high 1080p
heady turtle
@fringe scroll no selling or buying here
fringe scroll
Ok
fringe scroll
<@852241324886720583> no selling or buying here
Nowhere on the server huh
heady turtle
Nowhere on the server huh
No it's in the rules
You can talk about you are buying etc i need help but
fringe scroll
Ok
Soo what would be my best option for 250 used prob a amd card right
Oh?
Might place a bid
Prob gonna go up in price tho
orchid loom
@livid idol idk what causing the issue I DDU and i ran the game and afterburner fine yesterday but today NOTHING WAS DIFFRENT why crash for everything thats running was same as yesterday why
orchid loom
nvidia driver issues again
I dont understand it ran fine yesterday i was gaming all day
like @odd siren i literally DDU yesterday
💀
orchid loom
are you overclocking with afterburner?
no just using OSD
orchid loom
it's the nvidia dll tho
idk whats corrupting it
orchid loom
1080 rn
orchid loom
yea i didnt switch yet
orchid loom
Needing an ssd for the pc then I can get that up
orchid loom
are you using the latest DDU when you do it?
I think so
odd siren
hmm
orchid loom
well what i can tell you is my ram is OCed
odd siren
yeah but you would have different bsods
I would think
what have you OC'd the ram to?
orchid loom
ik i had issues before when i Oced ram and i bsod but i ddu after
@odd siren I had issues with afterburner OSD crashing my drivers but I thought ddu fixed that
odd siren
you've only changed frequency?
orchid loom
you've only changed frequency?
And some internal stuff
odd siren
i mean for ram
orchid loom
Yea
odd siren
yeah tbh unless it was really bad ram or board to begin with I think you're probably ok
you could switch it back to eliminate it as a possibility tho
orchid loom
The pcie latch split into half
odd siren
you mean that little plastic thing yeah
orchid loom
But I'm sure the card is still locking into place
odd siren
I think we talked about this
orchid loom
Hm I don't remember
odd siren
those little plastic latches can be reattached
orchid loom
No it's like split in half
orchid loom
Yea
odd siren
you can try changing the ram back to 3200 frequency and then DDU and see how you go for a day
orchid loom
Well my ram is 3600
odd siren
oh, is it on 3600 or 3500
orchid loom
It's on 3500 for gear 1
odd siren
ok
that's not that concerning
try 3200 gear 1
ddu then game for a while and see if it's better
if it is then yeah it might've been the ram
orchid loom
Isn't 3500 better
odd siren
yes but in the unlikely event that it was the root cause then you can't use those settings to run 3500
orchid loom
@odd siren well I found like to bring in what I mentioned before
dreamy dragonBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
orchid loom
I had afterburner open before last time and when I close it my driver's work but when I use the OSD my driver's crash
heady turtle
You went into safe mode etc?
orchid loom
it was sent after the scan
odd siren
memory leak
orchid loom
odd siren
memory leak isn't necessarily bad oc
even though I say that, I would still suggest trying 3200 frequency
orchid loom
if i have memory leak wouldnt this go up
odd siren
sure
orchid loom
😛
odd siren
that's good too
odd siren
odd siren
ddu first then get the new drivers
orchid loom
i did
odd siren
okie
shy sluice
<@808772530017665024> nothing is stable
change any voltage besides DRAM?
orchid loom
change any voltage besides DRAM?
No
shy sluice
can you?
orchid loom
I don't think so
shy sluice
System Agent, CPU VDDQ, or VDD2?
orchid loom
Idk I'm just gun a run xmp for now
heady turtle
Uwu
misty wagon
Weird question
For the aorus masters gpu
The gpu temp display, should i use that or the nzxt z series gpu temp display
heady turtle
the aourus one
hot bough
I want me Aorus GPU so badly....
normal hawk
I want me Aorus GPU so badly....
its thicc
misty wagon
the aourus one
thank u ❤️ sorry for alte response
heady turtle
No worries
vagrant fulcrum
Who is buying all the 3080ti’s I only need one. 
keen nacelle
Who is buying all the 3080ti’s I only need one. <:bsod:907774428874702869>
where are you looking?
3080 12gb has been consistently $740 for near identical perf to the 3080 ti
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qFytt6/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-gaming-z-trio-video-card-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-z-trio-12g-lhr back up bc production is down'
but still decently priced if you're deadset on nvidia
ivory herald
Just so they know, this 1 is actually $810 and then a $30 rebate card.
knotty lion
can anyone explain random gpu spikes while doing nothing, and higher gpu usage with games that don't usually use that much usage
keen nacelle
Task manager is terrible for reporting usage
odd siren
Task manager just does that
keen nacelle
Id download msi afterburner
knotty lion
let me check
odd siren
Afterburner also reports proper usage amounts
knotty lion
when they gonna fix it in task manager cuz its kinda annoying to see
is my memory clock supposed to be locked to the highest while doing nothing
even my core clock feels higher then what its actually doing
i'm in a discord call with chrome open
on a webpage that has no animations
keen nacelle
Never
knotty lion
cool i like windows
odd siren
Yeah vram running high is a bit of a non-issue
If you turn off everything you're doing in windows that should also drop down like the core clocks
knotty lion
i'm at 1200 mhz
knotty lion
yeah
odd siren
Oh no which gpu i mean
knotty lion
while my memory clock is sitting at 7000
odd siren
Sorry
little tangle
Would it be better to get a 3060 ti founders or custom?
knotty lion
considering i don't have a igpu
odd siren
Again if gpu usage in AB is like, under 5%, you're fine
knotty lion
i think it makes sense that its running everything by itself
odd siren
Would it be better to get a 3060 ti founders or custom?
Whichever is cheaper
odd siren
Ye
heady turtle
Whichever is cheaper
As long as it's not msi ventus 2x, ventus 3x is okay for a 3060 ti tho*
little tangle
Thx
knotty lion
As long as it's not msi ventus 2x, ventus 3x is okay for a 3060 ti tho*
me having no choice but to get a msi ventus gp
odd siren
Ah well, not the worst decision someone can make
It's still a functioning and safe gpu
knotty lion
its a 2070 super with 2 fans
which still bugs me
if i max out settings i can get up to 80 degrees C
love turning my pc into a space heater
odd siren
Lol
knotty lion
i'm planning on going for an 3080 soon
but its gonna be a while
so idk if I should just wait
odd siren
You will probably want a psu upgrade with that
Now's a good time, also in a month is a good time
knotty lion
ssssssssss
thats the problem i have no control over my money
and i also don't work
odd siren
Meh, 2070s still perfectly fine
knotty lion
it is
would just be nice for a little more fps
but my dad is always telling me
you don't even play the latest games
or
you have a 1080p monitor why do u need more frames
odd siren
you have a 1080p monitor why do u need more frames
Honestly he's right about this
Lololol
knotty lion
fair
odd siren
2070S @ 1080p is almost overkill
knotty lion
i just want an upgrade for this computer
and tehn shove my 2070 super in my other computer
that has a 1650
knotty lion
if i don't play cyberpunk it doesn't matter
knotty lion
thats what i get out of it
knotty lion
3060 ti I'd say is the most I'd suggest for 1080p
2070s is like the same to 3060 ti
odd siren
3060 ti I'd say is the most I'd suggest for 1080p
Oh I thought they were similar my b (I went back to the list)
knotty lion
3060 ti is better ray tracing and dlss thats all
keen nacelle
2070s is like the same to 3060 ti
Not at all
keen nacelle
The 3060 ti is equal to a 2080 super
You're thinking of the 3060
It's about a 30% difference
knotty lion
i thought i watched an fps difference 2070s vs 3060 ti
keen nacelle
No
odd siren
Fps difference videos are so easily faked
keen nacelle
That's the 3060
odd siren
They can change the rivatuner display to say that
knotty lion
this guy seems legit
i know everyone else is pretty much fake
check out testing games it seems legit
keen nacelle
I promise you, 3060 ti is not similar to the 3060 or 2070 super
I would bet you thousands of dollars
Felix
I think hp sent me the wrong monitor
This looks more like 32 inches than 27
knotty lion
I promise you, 3060 ti is not similar to the 3060 or 2070 super
5 to 10 fps difference wowie
odd siren
Well I went and looked it up
knotty lion
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/GeForce-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-20...
no major price difference honestly
odd siren
The gap between the average 3060, 2070S and 3060 Ti is about the same
knotty lion
its a 10 percent difference
odd siren
3060>15%>2070s>15%>3060ti
keen nacelle
Mhm, because 2080 super is about 15% better than 2070 super
knotty lion
the problem is the prices are in such a bad spot rn
odd siren
So this graph is actually very accurate
keen nacelle
And 3060 ti is ewuivelant to the 2080 super
keen nacelle
the problem is the prices are in such a bad spot rn
Prices have dropped
keen nacelle
You can get a used 3080 for under $500 pretty easily, New one for $750 or so
knotty lion
You can get a used 3080 for under $500 pretty easily, New one for $750 or so
why would i want a used one
knotty lion
its used
knotty lion
I'm worried about what they used it for
keen nacelle
Sorry for not knowing everything about you I guess?
odd siren
Honestly with pc parts if it's kept in good nick it's the exact same as it was new as far as performance
Even mining, it takes a real idiot to break a card like that
keen nacelle
I'm worried about what they used it for
I mined on my 3060 ti for over a year and it's still in the top 1% percentile for all 3060 tis worldwide in benchmarks
Mining, if done correctly, does not affect a cards performance nor life span
Maybe the fans lifespan, sure, but those are easy asf to replace
knotty lion
Mining, if done correctly, does not affect a cards performance nor life span
can't trust the world
keen nacelle
Ok
odd siren
Lol
keen nacelle
I'm not continuing this
little tangle
Would it better to buy that gpu on Black Friday?
knotty lion
and i also don't wanna replace a fan
keen nacelle
I'm out
knotty lion
Would it better to buy that gpu on Black Friday?
its better to buy anything on black friday
keen nacelle
Have fun felix
dusky field
and i also don't wanna replace a fan
then just buy a new one 💀
odd siren
and i also don't wanna replace a fan
It would happen after your 2070S fan failed anyway
little tangle
its better to buy anything on black friday
I see
odd siren
Most likely
knotty lion
It would happen after your 2070S fan failed anyway
really hope that doesn't happen
because I can't replace anything as of right now
odd siren
Fans are doomed to fail
knotty lion
its been 2 years and its been fine
odd siren
Lol it's like $5 and then $5 for paste
knotty lion
so i'm assuming i don't gotta do that'
odd siren
2 years no
knotty lion
Lol it's like $5 and then $5 for paste
why can't i just attach it
why do i have to glue the