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#graphics-cards
fading glacier
stiff finch
Curious, will AiO make the GPU have a better airflow/temperature than on air cooler? Some people at Microcenter said it’ll help my GPU’s temp, since it doesn’t block or steal airflow. I have a noctua d-15 with a Lian Li 011 XL case.
fading glacier
no
an air cooler doesnt affect the airflow on the gpu
if you have a good intake like for example 3 120mm frontal fans, then usually the bottom frontal fan will blow fresh air to the gpu fans while the top frontal fan will blow air directly to the cpu cooler
in no way a gpu will block or steal airflow to the cpu cooler
cerulean rover
Main thing might be cooling backplate but eh
Unless you have FE, it doesn't matter
fading glacier
in fact the exhaust from the back of a gpu help with thermals to the cpu cooler and vrms
cerulean rover
(FE does exhaust upwards through the GPU so in that case cooler might be in the way)
fading glacier
oh rite
FE is an special case
but no, a cpu aio doesnt give better airflow to the gpu nor hurts the gpu thermal performance
cerulean rover
In general, if it ain't broke, don't fix it
If temps are fine now, then it's fine, no need for upgrading anything
odd siren
it's basically negligible if it's a front mount aio too
maybe 1 or 2 degrees, maybe 15MHz on the gpu which is like, less than 1 fps lol
fading glacier
but i want my fps! give it back!
check this felix
i was like wth when i saw this
odd siren
oh
that's ok
It's fine especially if there's no fan cutout on the bottom of the case
fading glacier
yeah, i mean, its not bad, just kinda weird looking
was impressed anyway, 5600x/3080ti on a 750 rm unit
odd siren
don't worry, I'm pretty weird too and I'm not broken yet
fading glacier
and here i am worrying on a 850g6 xD
fading glacier
oh no, thats part of the video i was looking
he was swapping a 3060 for a evga 80ti
fading glacier
and testing spiderman and gta
odd siren
spoopermans? 
fading glacier
yeah, i was impressed
worst case scenario if somehow the 4080 will be oos for months then ill get an 80ti as well
but still i keep worried about 850w not enough
odd siren
850w will be fine
fading glacier
yeah everyone and their grandmas told me that, but im still worried xD
odd siren
aib's looking to have 12vhpwr and pcie *8pin versions of their cards
fading glacier
thats how weird i am
odd siren
which I knew was gonna happen
fading glacier
aib's looking to have 12vhpwr and pcie *8pin versions of their cards
or at least weird dongles from 16 pin to 2x8
odd siren
yea exactly
you won't be out in the cold
they're reeling back power draw supposedly for 40 series
fading glacier
still nothing a mild undervolt cant solve
2 to 5 less fps for 70 or more watts saved will be a welcome feature
still 340w tdp should be ok on a 850w paired with an 13700k
hot bough
What's popping homies.
keen nacelle
pop rocks
keen nacelle
a gt 750 ti
keen nacelle
cosplay
hot bough
I looked up GPUs and that popped up.
white bloom
are founders editions built better?
verbal mesa
Does anyone know if there is a way to use trial software again like passmark 30 day trial?
I want to test my pc in the future to see if it has degraded or not.
livid idol
Wipe and reinstall windows
Doesn't always work, sometimes they check your motherboard serial number against their server
static narwhal
I feel like I own a piece of history now that EVGA won't be selling Rtx cards
livid idol
Then without knowing exactly how and where they have the info to track your trial install date there's nothing to be done except buy the software
livid idol
There's free stuff that does the same things ofc
hot bough
What do you mean EVGA won't be selling RTX cards?
static narwhal
Now I can't resell it if/when I get a newer gen in the future
It's like when an artist dies and suddenly their work is priceless lol
livid idol
Oh yeah didn't EVGA do the upgrade program for GPUs? RIP that
hot bough
Yes my friend I agree.
static narwhal
Oh yeah didn't EVGA do the upgrade program for GPUs? RIP that
JTC said they'll be keeping a back-stock of 30 series cards for warranties, but yeah, no more upgrades
livid idol
GN said the same
fading glacier
its the same info on all the channels xD
hopefully that will drive the prices down on the existing 30 series gpus
sad day indeed
hot bough
So what, they're partnering up with AMD now?
fading glacier
we dont know
xD
who knows, maybe evga will sail into another direction, we dont know 😦
maybe they will leave the gpu market for good
hot bough
maybe they will leave the gpu market for good
noOOOOO!!!
fading glacier
no kinpin for you
livid idol
So what, they're partnering up with AMD now?
They say they're not, and the GPU division is shutting down entirely
Somehow they also expect to not need to lay off more people in the process of downsizing
fading glacier
the sad thing is that 70% of the revenue comes form the gpu division
it will be a hard blow to swallow
livid idol
Revenue does not equal profit
fading glacier
you got me there
livid idol
They've had to cut prices hard on 30 series to the point they're almost taking a loss
fading glacier
now i feel bad for them to even wish for more price cuts on evga cards
too sad that nvidia turned their back on them
they will continue to take severe hits until the end of the 30 series stock
which they expect to happen by the end of this year
"The company already made ~20 EVT samples of EVGA RTX 4090 FTW3 cards, but will not be moving to production and has killed all active projects pertaining to cards — including KINGPIN cards" sad indeed
livid idol
It must have been a hard decision to make but apparently not as hard as working with Nvidia
It would be really hard to set an engineering and materials budget per GPU if you don't even know what they're supposed to sell for lol
fading glacier
yeah, while gulping down the loses from the 30 series
odd siren
They're seeing this as a chance to get out more than they'll ever get again methinks
livid idol
It really is the best chance they have to drop a toxic partner
fading glacier
maybe now they will be renamed to EPSU
livid idol
Apparently the PSU division is 300% more profitable
fading glacier
everything rn is a lot more profitable than gpus
sadly
and when the mining situation settle it will be worse
odd siren
everything rn is a lot more profitable than gpus
This is because they don't get enough time to budget things tho
fading glacier
more like overproducing thinking that the crypto dream will be forever, and now those cards are collecting dust
livid idol
Meanwhile, Nvidia: Let's sell all the most profitable models for $500-1000 less!
odd siren
Nvidia is in the broader picture largely at fault when I think about this, leaving numbers in the dark means they don't have a chance to really put the RnD worthwhile into a business that 4/5's of their company
I can totally get why they'd be pissed off, it's akin to shots in the dark (evga dark 
)
fading glacier
i dont think that, the fault lies on the aibs to me, they requested way too many chips thinking into the crypto paradise
to my eyes ofc
odd siren
Ya but they could've also been far better priced
fading glacier
true
still nvidia had to help them to carry on the gpu business. too sad nvidia gave them the finger
now asus will profit on this with the strix line
brace yourself bois, will be rough seas after all
odd siren
Think about this in reverse this is why aib's take a while with certain sku's like the strix
And they also have to deal with this scenario as well
fading glacier
also we dont know the situation with the other partners
maybe they are sour as well
no news form asus cards tho
so far
odd siren
If we put this in perspective, when Nvidia gets up on stage, this is when some boards like the strix, begin
That's disturbing imo
fading glacier
it certainly is
now the announcement will be even more spicy
imagine not seeing asus there?
odd siren
Not seeing EVGA is a bit scary lol
fading glacier
yeah we lost a lot of skus there
odd siren
Kinda makes me want to make sure I don't recommend a founder's card tbh
fading glacier
no xc3, ftw3, hydros nor kingpins
i never recommend a founder card anyway XD
they have meh cooling according to every review so far, not bad, not good either
plus the werid dongle
hot bough
When the 4090 comes out, do the AIBs come out at the same time?
fading glacier
ofc
odd siren
Not every SKU
fading glacier
but they will be there as well, much like the aibs on the amd announcement
odd siren
This actually makes me want to wait
fading glacier
on the mobos
hot bough
Just wanted to double check. When they come out should I work with this same ranking system to decide which one to get?
For NV Cards: credit of Pato
- Hall of Fame/ Kingpin
- strix/suprim/ gaming x/z/aorus master/aorus xtreme
- ftw3, XLR8
fading glacier
we will have the announcement with the initial aib models
fading glacier
Just wanted to double check. When they come out should I work with this same ra...
no
that chart is for 30 series
we dont know about 40 series
odd siren
Kingpin won't be there next gen
hot bough
Kingpin won't be there next gen
I know.
odd siren
And HOF comes out months after release
hot bough
Does Strix usually come out at launch?
hot bough
Ooof.
fading glacier
maybe the tuf series will be there
hot bough
Guess I'll have to wait and see.
fading glacier
yes, that should be wise
fading glacier
on the announcement we will have some aibs with the initial skus, not the complete lineup
20
on 4 days
wicked hound
Dont go by branding, wont help much. FTW3 was great for Turning but then pretty poor for Ampere. Strix was meh for Turing and great for Ampere. No one knows ADA yet so wait for reviews
odd siren
Ranking would be like
HOF>Strix>iGame Advanced>Suprim>Gaming Z>Gaming X>Aorus Xtreme>Founders>Tuf>Zotac in general>Gigglebit in general
I'm missing so many here too
fading glacier
oh the colorful ones
odd siren
Ya the iGame advanced and neptunes are solid
hot bough
Got it.
fading glacier
still wait pal, dont jump like that into the meatgrinder
odd siren
And that's by last gen vrm design and sample quality, the silicon lottery *can't be factored in there
fading glacier
thats why reviewers exists
hot bough
What's official release date?
fading glacier
no one knows
20th will be the day
chill
the only official date is september 20th
hot bough
My thirst for graphical power is making my blood boil....
But okay.
I will go take a ice shower and chill.
hot bough
I'm praying that the Strix comes out at launch.
Those look nice.
And tend to have some pretty cool looking waterblocks based on 20/30 series.
odd siren
The heck is happening
odd siren
I'm praying that the Strix comes out at launch.
It won't, it doesn't lol
hot bough
It won't, it doesn't lol
Don't be a kill joy man.
fading glacier
I'm praying that the Strix comes out at launch.
strix is the premium lineup, so dont expect it, could happen, could not, but the tuf is more likely to happen
hot bough
strix is the premium lineup, so dont expect it, could happen, could not, but the...
I know.
hence "praying".
fading glacier
it wont happen xD
if you want to be an early adopter you will probably have to settle for a zotac or a gaming trio, or the palit one, heck even galax
odd siren
If they're starting the design process for their card the same day 40 series is announced there is no way, at all, unless they butcher the hell out of the card's quality
You want it to take longer to come out
hot bough
if you want to be an early adopter you will probably have to settle for a zotac ...
I mean the Gaming X/Z and FE can usually be used with waterblocks correct?
fading glacier
and they will not butcher the sku
yes
almost every high end card can be used with wb
odd siren
Turning around from concept to production in a matter of weeks would be insane, I empathise with EVGA strongly on this with their engineering team
fading glacier
that doesnt mean all of them have the same quality
hot bough
If so, then even if it doesn't have the best fans I plan to put a WB on it once I am back in China so not a big concern for me.
fading glacier
ehhh fans are not the only factor in quality you know
hot bough
The PCB too right?/
wicked hound
The heck is happening
Thanos snap NE out of existence
hot bough
My heart's set on being a early adopter so all guidance on what to look for in the ones that come out at launch is greatly appreciated.
Like what should I look for in the ones that come out?
odd siren
They get given a reference design, and that design needs to be tested, fleshed out, upgraded upon to encompass their strix sku. Considering how familiar I am with the engineering process and how many people need to be talked to as well as all the tooling for it, it is simply just not possible to turn around so quickly for a premium design
fading glacier
vrm quality on the power delivery, power limits on the card, vbios, all of that also account into the card quality... not that impactful on low to mid range cards, but a thing to look on models to be water cooled... because you know... you water cool them to oc the heck out of those
fans and the heatsink are meaningless when you want to watercool them
odd siren
They have a good list of parts and know what's worthwhile picking for a design, but power planes, signal quality, software, firmware
It all needs to be made
hot bough
vrm quality on the power delivery, power limits on the card, vbios, all of that ...
Understood.
fading glacier
and even after all of that, you have to face the silicon lottery
thats the oc worst enemy xD
hot bough
and even after all of that, you have to face the silicon lottery
I am painfully aware.
odd siren
What you will see at release are decent reference or near reference designs that made quick decisions or easy gains
Or brands that didn't really do anything for their skus to make them better/not a lot of testing
hot bough
What you will see at release are decent reference or near reference designs that...
What do you mean by "easy gains"?
fading glacier
almost at the very edge of "barely passed quality control"
odd siren
What do you mean by "easy gains"?
Slight upgrade to the VRM/cooling/aesthetic
odd siren
Barely passed is a bit generalising, we aren't deep in this space
hot bough
thats the early adopter tax
Just like every thing else I see.
fading glacier
maybe i exagerated a bit, but he get the point
odd siren
But you won't see the really good skus until later
fading glacier
well the ftw3 skus were kinda good
hot bough
I do a lot of early adopting for fitness companies in like their hardware so I'm all to aware of rushed models.
fading glacier
and probably the ones at launch... too sad
odd siren
If we go by EVGA's story it just isn't physically possible
hot bough
But you won't see the *really good* skus until later
Got it. I will keep that in mind.
fading glacier
an xc3 4090?
odd siren
I mean the higher end
We had FTW3 at launch and those had new world issues
It all kinda comes together here
fading glacier
hmmm you are right
even if they were ftw3 cards, they were the first batch
not the ones that we see today
odd siren
Specifically 23 cards as a result of new world lol
fading glacier
days like this i hate you even more felix xD
i dont know if i had the mental strength to wait for the next year
hot bough
I need to get back to coding. Talk to y'all later.
odd siren
I'm not gonna wait, aorus xtreme me pls
Yolo
I'm gonna wait for rdna 3 and that's it really
fading glacier
we know next to nothing about that
should be here around october as well, but no leaks nor news about those
its painful
odd siren
livid idol
AMD is a lot more tight on the leaks. Often I think Nvidia and Intel leak stuff on purpose lol.
odd siren
For sure
fading glacier
often? we all know the leaks are intentional to create hype
question is, why amd doesnt want to create hype?
livid idol
I think Dr Su likes holding all the cards, so to speak. They'll do their internal testing and compare it to leaked competitor's data, and they seem confident that they're on par but they know until everything actually launches it's dangerous to make certain claims.
fading glacier
well leaks can backfire as well, its kind of a gamble to gain hype
hot bough
AMD is a lot more tight on the leaks. Often I think Nvidia and Intel leak stuff ...
Known strategy.
fading glacier
with that on the table we can expect a fierce competition on the gpu market, will be a heated xmas
imagine amd rtx performance crushing nvidia
😮
livid idol
At least RT can still be mostly ignored for the time being
odd siren
As much as it probably won't happen, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD really brought* the leg up on RT perf this gen
fading glacier
but we dont know how far ahead they are rn
fading glacier
As much as it probably won't happen, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD really broug...
this
we can only vouch for the current gen
solemn panther
It's unthinkable
fading glacier
we dont know if nvidia is still way ahead of the game... or not
odd siren
It was the biggest feedback in the loop when this gen released
Aside from workstation power
livid idol
It's possible to brute force RT performance by just adding more hardware, and that would be possible with their MCM approach
fading glacier
imagine if amd is brute forcing rt performance with the control rt leaks as reference
wicked hound
Nvidia has been doing a heck ton of research in RT tho. Wont be that long until its applied to games Id assume
livid idol
Beating Nvidia at their own game, literally, would be hilarious
fading glacier
my only hope is that rt should be meaningful this gen, not the gimmick of today
turning on rt and enjoy high fps like a default configuration
livid idol
Well so far I haven't heard of any games claiming to "revolutionize ray tracing" coming any time soon. Game engines need to catch up before RT can be any good.
solemn panther
livid idol
The new Unreal Engine has some promise but eh
odd siren
keen nacelle
Well so far I haven't heard of any games claiming to "revolutionize ray tracing"...
i saw something about "path tracing" a while ago
not sure how it works though
solemn panther
@keen nacelle path tracing is a more advanced form of ray tracing which relies upon simulating the path of light by bouncing back on a single pixel in random directions for a more faithful reproduction
To make it as simple as possible, it's more accurate to how real light works
hot bough
To make it as simple as possible, it's more accurate to how real light works
I am assuming more resource demanding as well to run?
solemn panther
Seems so
It's going to be very reliant on tensor and Rt cores
Also through the power of AI there's going to be a heavy use of de- noising techniques
fading glacier
unreal 5 is working with path tracing as far as im aware
solemn panther
If you watch two- minute papers, Nvidia has almost mastered how to get rid of the graininess of path tracing.
hot bough
Interesting. I am a die hard for RT so I look forward to seeing more games implement it.
fading glacier
you are a die hard for any high end tech things
hot bough
you are a die hard for any high end tech things <:Sip:804415139591749662>
Fair enough.
fading glacier
white bloom
i was in a smoke cloud in pubg and my gpu went to 359 watts while undervolted to 781mv and rarely goes above 230.... howd it goto 104% max power while so undervolted?
solemn panther
Interesting. I am a die hard for RT so I look forward to seeing more games impl...
We're in the same boat. RT is the future
fading glacier
i was in a smoke cloud in pubg and my gpu went to 359 watts while undervolted to...
even undervolted they can have transients
imagine not undervolted... 500watts maybe
solemn panther
I really enjoy seeing the progress of the tech, it's one of the first steps to truly photorealistic graphics
hot bough
Funny enough, mostly because my frames would die otherwise. I use RT in modded MC pretty often.
white bloom
is a transient a spike? cause it was consistent
fading glacier
hmmm which card?
livid idol
Smoke effects are more demanding in general
At least the kind that aren't just a 2D texture layered over itself
fading glacier
well time for my coffee break 😄 and some well earned sandwiches
livid idol
solemn panther
Smoke effects are still trash
So is AI for the most part
Only baby steps have been taken on those
white bloom
3080ti fe.. supposed to be a 350 cap.. maybe 400 if pushed
timid vine
oh cool
ivory herald
So is AI for the most part
Some of the best ai I've seen is in various games that at 10-15 years old.
abstract narwhal
I got my a380 want to put into a test bench and play around with it. I don’t want it to touch my daily driver. Looking forward to getting that going.
fading glacier
and what is stopping you to do that?
fading glacier
no no, i mean, he got his card and he wants to put it into his bench
what's stopping him i wonder o.O
fading glacier
test benches are just for that... testing, you can test it and sweep the floor clean after 😛
fading glacier
👀
hasty sphinx
I like intel cooties
livid idol
I just realized... Intel was playing the long game. They disabled AV1 in their processors shortly before they expected the Arc GPUs to launch. 
normal hawk
I just realized... Intel was playing the long game. They disabled AV1 in their p...
Which ones? 😮 1215U still has it at least
rugged rock
i need a gpu for this pc
DELL Optiplex 990 Desktop Computer (Intel Quad-Core i7-2600 up to 3.4GHz, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD, DVD, WiFi, VGA, DisplayPort, Windows 10 Professional)
im looking for a gt 710
or better
(im looking for something with opengl 4.6 thats compatable
solemn panther
whats your budget?
cerulean rover
What about
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3DWK1Z/
rugged rock
What about
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3DWK1Z/
Ok but is it compatible and how do I install it?
solemn panther
@rugged rock https://youtu.be/YVbjl69z3HE
solemn panther
Yes it is
rugged rock
Is that a 2nd gen I7?!
I think so
solemn panther
Just carefully align the card to the slot , and make sure you hear a clicking noise.
Just watch the video 😅
rugged rock
What about
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3DWK1Z/
Is there one that can ship to Canada for free?
harsh compass
Whats the best graphics card for $300-$400
modest stump
Are used gpus alright
keen nacelle
Whats the best graphics card for $300-$400
6700xt right at $400, otherwise 6700 at 370 or 6650xt at $300-320
harsh compass
Is 350 a good price for a 3060ti ftw3?
keen nacelle
Yeah
harsh compass
Alright Thank you I appreciate it
keen nacelle
Np
fading glacier
Are used gpus alright
for a good price, yes
harsh compass
Why do some gpu’s have 2 fans and some 3 does it matter and is it better to have 3
livid idol
Higher end models generate more heat, so larger heatsinks and an additional fan can help
fading glacier
3 fans are almost a must on higher end models
livid idol
2 fans is fine for a 3060 ti / 6700 or so
fading glacier
mid tier cards can go well with 2 fans, cause they dont generate a lot of heat
like what falcie said
livid idol
Just not the ventus or mech models of those cards
Ventus 3x 3060 ti is good enough cooling, but 2 fans struggles with the cheap aluminum
fading glacier
more fans on mid tier cards is always better, but that means higher price as well
better, but not a must. 2 fans on those is good enough
harsh compass
What about a 6700xt? It needs 3 fans?
livid idol
It depends on the model
harsh compass
Is there somewhere i can look up the model ranking based on how good they are
fading glacier
thats quite a good deal, but you should check if the card still works and retrieve it with a friend in case something odd happens
modest stump
It’s on a buying app
fading glacier
its a good deal, yeah
modest stump
Or
A less used one for $650
Bought in April this year
What you think
@fading glacier
livid idol
Lots of 3080s for around $500 on ebay rn
modest stump
Okay
Probably okay user?
Used
Never bought used
I have a period to return also
fading glacier
must be 500 or less to be a good deal
livid idol
Used is usually fine but it's good to have verification that it works, like a time spy result window showing a recent date
fading glacier
the one at 475 is a good deal, even with year and a half of use
if the card works fine, you can do a proper maintenance and that card will be at peak performance in no time
livid idol
Here's some from a pro miner selling off lots https://www.ebay.com/itm/265890104643
Yeah $475 is a good price
modest stump
Strix too
livid idol
Yep, even better
livid idol
Mostly just a good dusting, worst case repaste
heady turtle
As long as the miner took care of their cards possibly nothing
fading glacier
which is very likely, most miners took care of their cards, undervolting them
livid idol
They gamed on it
Yeah me too ||wink wink||
fading glacier
its funny how miners took better care of their cards unlike the gamers, i will trust a miner card over a gamer card any day of the week... unless on a 3090 ofc
modest stump
Never reapplied thermal paste on a gpu
livid idol
It's the same as a CPU, just a larger die area
modest stump
Disassembly tho
heady turtle
Bit harder to get the cooler off but there is plenty of guides on YouTube
modest stump
Ok
fading glacier
but usually is the same procedure.... 4 screws, a little twist on the cooler and plop!
but yes, look at a video on youtube, strix have a lot of videos on youtube
modest stump
Just bought it
modest stump
Me too!! Will keep you guys updated
$515 was the final price
After shipping and tax
modest stump
Yeah so far my build is gonna be like $1500
32gb ram an i512600k and 3080+ 2TB nvme ssd
fading glacier
sounds pretty solid
livid idol
It wasn't too long ago you were lucky to get a 3600X+3060 system for that price
fading glacier
it will rock the boat
modest stump
Yeah times changing
Better yet I’m selling my build to a friend for 1250
So very cheap upgrade for me
fading glacier
indeed it is
livid idol
That's a good way to do it
modest stump
Yep! Thanks for the help guys have a nice day/night
modest stump
😂
harsh compass
What do you think my powercolor rx5600xt itx would sell for
fading glacier
dunno, you should check your local market to have an idea
harsh compass
I checked hardware swap but nobody really has it
fading glacier
check ebay or fb marketplace to have a rough idea
livid idol
Maybe $150-175
fading glacier
just dont try to sell it here, its against the rules
harsh compass
Im not.. just looking for a good price
livid idol
Some people need the reminders, glad you're not one
harsh compass
Yeah, i like to read the rules so i dont get yelled at lol 😂
livid idol
You're ahead of about 75% of people then lol
fading glacier
yeah, you are ahead of me in any case
been kicked from egg before xD
mee6 is such a nice lad
livid idol
Mee6 has only ever had to warn me twice and only over "duplicate text" which was just amazon links
fading glacier
yeah funny, was an amazon link as well for me
warning first time, and other link kicked me out of the server e_e
at least i had my rank back
livid idol
3070
harsh compass
6700xt has 12 gb and founders has 8 is that a huge difference
livid idol
Absolutely no difference unless you plan on doing 4k gaming, which you shouldn't
harsh compass
I really am just torn between these two only because nvidia vs amd and raytracing and stuff so 3070 still?
livid idol
3070 performs better than the 6700XT in most titles
odd siren
cos price
harsh compass
Alright
livid idol
The 6750XT is a lot closer to the 3070
harsh compass
Alright Thank you
heady turtle
Also 400$ sounds used but you can get 6750xt for like 420 so imo 3070 should be cheaper if used
hot bough
its funny how miners took better care of their cards unlike the gamers, i will t...
Why is this?
fading glacier
why is what?
hot bough
the 3090 part.
fading glacier
because the gddr6x on the back of the card
livid idol
You need a solid metal or active backplate when mining on a 3090 to keep that cool
I burned my hand on my backplate when I tried mining on mine
fading glacier
those ones suffer a lot of degradation 24/7, its the only card with mem modules at the back and those are not actively cooled sadly, just as falcie said... they need a heavy passive cooling solution to keep those healthy
vital oriole
more vram amount doesn't always mean more better
hot bough
Got it.
vital oriole
There's apparently rumors about 3060 having new 8 gigs sku
With less bandwidth too
128 bits gddr6 instead of 192
And 3060ti with gddr6x
for 3060ti, let me ask nvidia. why, it doesn't need g6x
livid idol
3070 ti was barely different from the 3070, like 1-2% with the 6X
vital oriole
And a lot more heat
harsh compass
Can i put a rx5600xt in the same build as my 3070 fe? Just until i sell the rx5600xt would it benefit me? Can i even dual card it? With a msi z690 pro-a ddr4
livid idol
You can technically but games will only use one or the other
The only potential benefit would be if you do a lot of streaming, you can use the hardware encoder on the secondary GPU
harsh compass
Ahh okay gotcha.. i mean if it can only help until i sell it.. lol
livid idol
The drivers between AMD and Nvidia might interfere with each other and there's no real benefit for most people
I'd just DDU the AMD drivers out of the system after pulling the 5600XT out
harsh compass
Would a 750 psu support that? Do you think?
Have a link to how to do DDU the amd drivers?
rustic pulsar
Would a 750 psu support that? Do you think?
!ddu
dreamy dragonBOT
DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU
harsh compass
Oh thanks
rustic pulsar
first try lets go!
harsh compass
😂
harsh compass
I have a 12600k cpu with z690 mobo is a rx5600xt bottlenecking my cpu at all?
I know a 3070 upgrade would give me better fps because its better duh but paired with my 12600k is it better than rx5600xt
cerulean rover
what
3070 will be much better than 5600xt
you're not going to be gpu bound with 5600xt and 12600k
harsh compass
So my 5600xt is gpu bound right now? Until i get my 3070?
cerulean rover
ye
fading glacier
bottleneck is something you need to accept at some point
without bottleneck we should have infinite fps.
harsh compass
Well usually i do but i just wanna know if 12600k is paired well with 3070
fading glacier
you will hit a bottleneck at some point, either gpu or cpu
to my knowledge you can pair a 3090 with a 12100 without problems. cpus are way too advanced (speaking of current gen) compared to gpus to be a cpu bottleneck. most of the time the gpu will always be the bottleneckd one (if used on a 12th gen)
harsh compass
Oh alright thanks I appreciate it.. just didnt know how big of an upgrade a 5600xt to a 3070 is
fading glacier
its kinda big. like the same performance of a 2060 compared to a 3070
harsh compass
Oh nice alright that sounds good.. thanks for the idea of it
hot bough
Any new 4090 leaks?
livid idol
Potential pricing leaked on Friday but Nvidia always changes that last minute anyway
livid idol
This is the world saying you don't need a GPU that pulls 660W
hot bough
I have 2k saved up for the 4090 but still wtf.
livid idol
Hope you've got enough for a new 1200W ATX 3.0 power supply too
hot bough
Hope you've got enough for a new 1200W ATX 3.0 power supply too
5k put away for my next build.
So yeah, I should be able to fit in a 3.0 PSU but still.
That is just ridiculous.
random zinc
So yeah, I should be able to fit in a 3.0 PSU but still.
What psu u need for 4090?
Like 1500w?
random zinc
I heard that u can unlock 4090 to use 600w
livid idol
Supposedly they'll have a dual bios toggle with a 450W mode to run it on lesser units at the cost of performance obviously
660W high performance mode
random zinc
I wonder how much will 5090 use
hot bough
I heard that u can unlock 4090 to use 600w
600+400=1000w leaving me 200 wat headroom.
livid idol
I wonder how much will 5090 use
No clue, it's barely in design stages, but hopefully they swing it back towards efficiency
random zinc
600+400=1000w leaving me 200 wat headroom.
Hope it will be 3 or 2 nm
hot bough
I mean, I can't remember the name of the article but as far as Performance per watt goes, the 40 series GPUs are about 50% more efficient compared to 30 series at the same wattage.
random zinc
I mean, I can't remember the name of the article but as far as Performance per w...
Yeah bc it’s 5 nm
So 5090 should use the same power but more powerful
If it’s going to be 2 or 3 nm
hot bough
Hopefully so.
Not now, but come time around the 50 series is out I plan to have a RTX flagship collection.
hot bough
RTX flagships for certain. And above but maybe I will get the GTX flagship as well but I probably won't go much further back unless I find the cards for dirt cheap.
livid idol
They're sticking to RTX for now, calling it "ray tracing extreme" or whatev
hot bough
Cause people still trying to sell GTX cards at $300+
livid idol
I could see a 1080 ti for that, being roughly a 3060 in performance
random zinc
Cause people still trying to sell GTX cards at $300+
Yeah but people around my area are selling 1080ti for 200$
livid idol
Well now they probably are with the crypto floodgates wide open
random zinc
I will wait till I see the 1080 TI for $150 to buy.
1070ti are going for 150$
random zinc
I will wait till I see the 1080 TI for $150 to buy.
I gonna wait for the 100$ 3060
hot bough
I gonna wait for the 100$ 3060
Ok.
hot bough
Maybe.
ivory herald
I gonna wait for the 100$ 3060
By then 50 series probably out at least.
keen nacelle
By then 50 series probably out at least.
I doubt it, if 40 series has good stock I wouldn't be surprised to see $100-$150 3060s and 2070s/ supers
ivory herald
20 series is 1 thing (older). They specifically said $100 & 3060. 🤷♂️
keen nacelle
... I also said 3060
pulsar pine
if i got 450 usd what gpu should i buy
hot bough
if i got 450 usd what gpu should i buy
3070 if you can find it at that price.
pulsar pine
where tf am i gonna find a 3070 for 450
hot bough
There were some available at $500 just a couple days ago. I am sure you can get one for $450-460 if you work it.
cerulean rover
where tf am i gonna find a 3070 for 450
440$ on b stock
https://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=8
hot bough
where tf am i gonna find a 3070 for 450
On EVGA's B-Stock 3070s, you can get a FTW3 3070 for $439.
pulsar pine
3070 if you can find it at that price.
how about amd wise
hot bough
The closest would be the 6750xt but still not quite as fast.
pulsar pine
thx
hot bough
Based on a quick search, the 6750xts are currently more expensive then the B-stock 3070s.
wicked hound
Well, just combine the other whack Nvidia naming, Super Tie [Fighter]
near field
ok so
in the market for a used GPU <200
my current options are
RX 6600 or RTX 2070
PSU can handle either one
they perform pretty similar
need some opinions
fading glacier
both are similar, just get whichever is the cheapest for you
well 2070 is a tad better
price on both?
near field
I'm thinking of some casual streaming, how does RDNA2 encoding compare to Turing NVENC. Tried to search up some comparison but it mostly devolved into "my company better."
near field
price on both?
185 shipped
vital oriole
it's about equal
but nvenc has wider support
so it depends on the stuff you're doin to it
fading glacier
just as foxy said, both are good but nvenc has more support
keen nacelle
185 shipped
For streaming, 2070
heady turtle
Nvenc is about as good as rx 6000's encoder I'd say the real advantage is dlss
Also 2070 more powerful
2070 is more like 6600xt
winter sun
my current options are
3090ti
winter sun
I was kidding go for a 2070 cuz rtx 😉
keen nacelle
Rtx is a meme
Especially on mid tier cards such as the 2070, all it will do is tank fps
fading glacier
im not buying a 3080 and not turning on rtx, no sir
the card must suffer as much as my wallet suffered
dusky folio
"I paid for the whole speedometer so I'm going to use the whole speedometer"
fading glacier
(btw this is a joke, rtx is a gimmick)
heady turtle
im not buying a 3080 and not turning on rtx, no sir
You mean you suffer, 300fps to 60 kek
normal hawk
Only games its worth it in is Minecraft and Control.
because they are showcases 🥲
Maybe FH5 cause its so nice driving in with the fidelity cranked
wicked hound
Just wait 8yrs when Nvidia's current RT R&D gets into working games. Then a 3060Ti will be okay with RTing
heady turtle
Only games its worth it in is Minecraft and Control.
Yeah except it's the crap version of mc
normal hawk
Bedrock is finnnneee
wicked hound
What's funny is doing Java with good perf mods + shaders is still more performant then vanilla bedrock. Couldnt imagine how bad it'd be with shadered bedrock
heady turtle
Bedrock is finnnneee
Ehh terrible for multi player
normal hawk
Ehh terrible for multi player
Bedrock is great for multiplayer?
Xbox makes direct connections much easier and you can host your own bedrock server without having to do port forwarding
heady turtle
Plugins?
normal hawk
Yes there are plugins for bedrock
brisk flame
or just port forward because its easy
normal hawk
or just port forward because its easy
Leak your IP homie
brisk flame
like i would host a minecraft server for people i dont know
bedrock being crossplatform is pretty cool
other than that
wicked hound
Leak your IP homie
192.168.0.1
valid citrus
is powercolor rx 6600 xt a bad version of 6600 xt?
or is it mid tier of the different aibs
valid citrus
I'm trying to buy it used but not sure if I should trust them any advice would be appreciated
the only video I can get is:
would you guys trust it?
cerulean rover
the only video I can get is:
ask them to run gpuz at take a video of it if you can
valid citrus
the thing is they don't have it in the system anymore because they have a new gpu in it
valid citrus
is this it?
cerulean rover
would've liked to be able to confirm it was actually 6600xt and not 6600
odd siren
could ask for a die shot
cerulean rover
nothing identifiable from just that
nah asking them to remove heatsink is kind of asking for trouble for some random guy on the internet
odd siren
maybe
valid citrus
yea idk can I do anything if they don't have it plugged to a build?
cerulean rover
ig take picture of box is good enough
valid citrus
not of the box...
odd siren
yeah that's a 6600 xt
cerulean rover
aight that's good
odd siren
seller profile genuine? lots of good reviews, price seems to match the market?
valid citrus
they only have only 1 other listing and the 6600 xt is priced at around 300 cad
which is very cheap so idk if it's sus
odd siren
reviews?
valid citrus
none
odd siren
valid citrus
yea...
odd siren
we often don't encourage buying from people with no seller history
it can be a temp account to take the money and run
I'm sure a lot are genuine but scams exist in this way
valid citrus
hmm ok thanks for the advice
valid citrus
zamn
heady turtle
the thing is they don't have it in the system anymore because they have a new gp...
It'll take them 5 mins to swap it out seems like a lame excuse
valid citrus
oh ok I'll try to press about it
wicked hound
barcode where
"barcode"
wicked hound
nothing identifiable from just that
I mean kinda, found a 6600 fighter PCB "shot". They are different so it's unlikely to be 6600
Another difference is that non XT doesnt have these cutouts while XT does.
hot bough
Where do I find the live event happening tomorrow? The GeForce Beyond.
dusky folio
Will probably be on YouTube?
hot bough
Got it.
vital oriole
but will it beat nvidia
odd siren
livid idol
but will it beat nvidia
Doubtful since nvidia is willing to brute force performance by slamming 600W+ into the GPU, so AMD will win in frames per Watt easily
ancient crystal
I wonder if it is possible to 
a 3060 right now at decent prices
i was looking at prices and they're better but still not very good
ancient crystal
i've got a 5600XT and one of the main draws is DLSS
to switch over to the slightly better nvidia card
vital oriole
it's not slightly better than 5600xt lel, it's a lot better
but yeah, dlss is a nice thing
ancient crystal
it's nice because i can get a higher resolution monitor and not really worry about where my game resolution is at
harsh compass
i wouldn't do 3060 imo if you don't mind losing dlss
Hardware swap on reddit ive seen most 3060ti’s at 325 shipped.. 3070’s at 375-400 and 3070ti’s at 500 something and some guy was selling his 3080 for 5 something..
The prices are just still too high for me on newegg
keen nacelle
3070 tis only worth it if same price as 3070 or cheaper
ancient crystal
i'd honestly rather buy on the for obvious reasons
keen nacelle
6700 without fsr is better than 3060 with dlss at very similar prices
ancient crystal
i'm watching a hardwareswap thread
to see if i can acquire a 2070 for $250
that's a hell of a deal
oh, it's a 2070 Super
keen nacelle
I'd say that's an average price with the latest market drop
There's a flood of cards on the market. It wouldn't surprise me if we have $300 3060 tis on ebay very shortly
ancient crystal
i see your name and i can only think of bad anime tropes
but your advice is good
$250 just seems like a nice deal for that
it's better than my 5600
keen nacelle
5600xt comparable to a 2060 iirc
vital oriole
ya
ancient crystal
5600xt is kinda wack
i require a better GPU
i want some DLSS + a little better power
as i want to drive a 1440p monitor, but more demanding games i want to run at 1080p with DLSS
keen nacelle
A 6700 would be better than a 3060 with dlss
ancient crystal
FSR?
also, it really depends on pricing, new or used, what i buy
since a 2070 Super should be like a 3060 if i can find one for cheaper, i'll get one of those
i like DLSS
keen nacelle
2070s actually a bit better than 3060
vital oriole
fsr is amd's alternative to dlss, basically
ancient crystal
ahhhh
keen nacelle
And dlss only helps so much. At a certain point raw performance will more than make up for it
ancient crystal
do you even play games? or do you just mine .0001 buttcorns a day
keen nacelle
????
ancient crystal
"pc mining"
keen nacelle
Ofcourse I play games
vital oriole
What are you even talking about
keen nacelle
Foxy does
vital oriole
Oh, yeah
keen nacelle
More than I do lmao
vital oriole
I mine
keen nacelle
Well, you game on your laptop
keen nacelle
Why not parsec to your pc until you get your new laptop?
vital oriole
Planning to sell it soon maybe
ancient crystal
do you also sell your ruined cards to people who think they can play games on them?
vital oriole
Mining is chaotic now
keen nacelle
do you also sell your ruined cards to people who think they can play games on th...
My guy
ancient crystal
i'm not a guy or a bro
keen nacelle
I mined on my 3060 ti for over a year while gaming on it
vital oriole
Well, whoever you are
keen nacelle
"My guy" is a figure of speech
vital oriole
Mining isn't a bad thing
dreamy dragonBOT
Annika's trying hard#1983 has been warned
ancient crystal
oh right, four letter words
vital oriole
Since I care about the card and efficiency
ancient crystal
i'm just giving you a little 💩, don't worry about it
keen nacelle
Only time a card will be ruined from mining is if the miner doesn't know what they're doing
vital oriole
And since I have it constantly running, it won't have to go through heat cycles
Gaming is actually a more strenuous task on a gpu
Because no one runs a game 24/7 without doing something else
ancient crystal
Chubbyemu has a medical video about this guy who passed out in the heat of his massive mining setup and got heat stroke, permanently damaging his brain
ancient crystal
i hope you've got A/C yeah
keen nacelle
A single gpu will also not create that much heat
vital oriole
A single gpu creates so little heat
keen nacelle
Even 40, the dude had to be doing something wrong to have it be that hot
vital oriole
ye
keen nacelle
He probably didn't drink anything as well
ancient crystal
I feel like the GPU makers should charge extra for cards that can mine, and let people who only want to game have MSRP
long as they do that, i'm fine with whatever kind of mining
keen nacelle
There are dedicated mining cards
vital oriole
That's not as simple as it is
keen nacelle
Miners just don't like to buy them since they cost more and have less resale value
keen nacelle
Ethereum mining is also over now. Other crypto aren't worth mining either
So mining is pretty much dead for now
vital oriole
GPU mining won't be as big as it used to be anymore after this, at least for now
I've been feeling like selling my rig actually
odd siren
I feel like the GPU makers should charge extra for cards that can mine, and let ...
they make specific cards with mining in mind, think 20gb 3080 and 12gb 2060
keen nacelle
I haven't bothered mining since January
vital oriole
It still has warranty left
keen nacelle
Since profits are ass
vital oriole
Two whole years
odd siren
but they won't overcharge, ruins the point of profit
ancient crystal
@odd siren but are they taking the mining capacity away fro
odd siren
and ofc mining ded
keen nacelle
they make specific cards with mining in mind, think 20gb 3080 and 12gb 2060
20gb 3080?
Wat
odd siren
20gb 3080?
ya in china
keen nacelle
<@101107951401455616> but are they taking the mining capacity away fro
They tried
And it didn't work
vital oriole
It didn't work at all
keen nacelle
It's harder than you think
odd siren
keen nacelle
Miners didn't cause the shortage btw, if that's what you think
vital oriole
Mining gpus are for one, more expensive and offers less resale value
keen nacelle
They contributed some, but a lot of it was that there was a silicon shortage as well as the supply line back up
ancient crystal
i'm aware
vital oriole
There was a Boule shortage issue as well, I believe
vital oriole
One of the major gases used in fabrication of silicon wafer
keen nacelle
Ah
vital oriole
Or so Escanor has told me
ancient crystal
tabbouleh pretty good
give me some tabbouleh
and some hummus and some bread. hecc yes
vital oriole
He's one of the people behind desigining 40 series gpu
ancient crystal
40 series should be interesting
vital oriole
I'm waiting on 3060 laptop
keen nacelle
My next upgrade will be either 50 or 60 series
vital oriole
Heavily considering selling my desktop tho
ancient crystal
i want to get a 1440p display so i want to upgrade my 5600 XT
vital oriole
Should I do it?
keen nacelle
Well, after replacing cpu and mobo anyways
ancient crystal
i need to replace my CPU, my motherboard is fine
keen nacelle
Should I do it?
Why not use parsec until you get your new laptop
keen nacelle
i need to replace my CPU, my motherboard is fine
What's your mobo and cpu?
vital oriole
Just some quick cleaning and it'll be ready, well, that is if a slightly wonky gpu fan is fine
ancient crystal
i've got a B460 board with a 10400F, i want to get a 10700 or 10900, K variant of either
vital oriole
It somehow messed itself up from me cleaning it the first time
Been like that for a year
vital oriole
I can rma it but I haven't bothered to
keen nacelle
i've got a B460 board with a 10400F, i want to get a 10700 or 10900, K variant o...
I wouldnt bother, theyre not that much better unless you're doing multi core loads
If you're gaming, those cpu upgrades won't make a difference
odd siren
also vrm
ancient crystal
well the 10400F can't overclock or turbo as high as those others
keen nacelle
10400f is also fine for even a 3080 at 1440p
keen nacelle
well the 10400F can't overclock or turbo as high as those others
They won't be able to overclock either
odd siren
depending on the b460 depends if you can even use those higher chips in it without burning out the board vrm
keen nacelle
Since it's a b460
ancient crystal
@odd siren i know how to read CPU support lists
keen nacelle
And the boost clock doesn't really dictate performance
odd siren
<@101107951401455616> i know how to read CPU support lists
no that's not what I meant
keen nacelle
<@101107951401455616> i know how to read CPU support lists
Supporting and running well are different
keen nacelle
Basically, if the b460 isn't good enough the higher end cpu won't run well
odd siren
If you have a board with only a couple power stages it's not nearly enough for an 8 or 10 core
keen nacelle
It's like putting a high end engine in a low end car and expecting it to run well
odd siren
you'll literally slow death the pc
keen nacelle
Yes, bc with the 10400f with low power usage its fine
ancient crystal
if i'm going to buy all new stuff
odd siren
asrock infamously advertises wide compatibility for their chips, especially with AMD, with VRM's barely made to handle minimum power cpu's
it's common on A LOT of boards
cerulean rover
AMD still has a320/a520 series that's weird
ancient crystal
A320 lol
cerulean rover
But b460 locked memory is sad
ancient crystal
i'm fine with what it allows
keen nacelle
Yeah, I wouldn't bother upgrading from a 10400f without going to a new platform
ancient crystal
but then i'd just get a 12 series with DDR5
cerulean rover
B560 gives unlocked mem
keen nacelle
Just bot much to gain
ancient crystal
because you know, futureproofin everything
cerulean rover
Wait for ddr5 to get good then
keen nacelle
but then i'd just get a 12 series with DDR5
New cpus come out within the next two months
Also the 10400f is more than fine for a 2070 super
ancient crystal
the only rules of buying PC parts is never buy PC parts
keen nacelle
I run the amd equivelant with a 3060 ti
odd siren
but then i'd just get a 12 series with DDR5
ddr5 is basically pointless even still
good DDR4 board you still get better price/performance by far
keen nacelle
I think they know
vital oriole
just wanted to be sure lel
fading glacier
because you know, futureproofin everything
"futureproofing"
hot bough
It's almost time!
odd siren
well I have to put it in the pc first
fading glacier
fading glacier
imagine, my day just started
vital oriole
there's no such thing as futureproofing cause everything gets replaced with something better a year or two later
fading glacier
two? you are being optimistic
vital oriole
lol
odd siren
the best long lasting joke
ha
fading glacier
intel spits cpu evey 9 months
vital oriole
yep
keen nacelle
Not every 9 months
vital oriole
hey what can you do when you have needy oems
fading glacier
you know what's funny: intel make 2 gen for each platform... while am5 promises support until 2025... if amd pump cpus every 2 years like its been doing so far... then we will have 2 gens as well on am5 o.O where is your futureproof support? 😛
keen nacelle
you know what's funny: intel make 2 gen for each platform... while am5 promises ...
I mean, amd used the same socket on b250a as it did for b550s
But b250s don't support 5000 series cpus
So... doesn't really mean much
fading glacier
am4 was like 5 years, but am5 will be only 3
vital oriole
lol
fading glacier
according to Dr. Su
odd siren
I think this is the one
keen nacelle
Wasn't that the mobo that came out with 1000 series?