graphics-cards

[fading glacier]

yes

still most of the time the thermal compound is ok on the cards

[hot bough]

Got it.

I don't remember, does changing the IHS on a cpu void the warranty?

[fading glacier]

you can make it better, but also worse if you dont know how to do it

[hot bough]

Will try the card without changing paste first then.

[fading glacier]

99% they are fine on stock

[hot bough]

Got it.

[hot bough]

Wondering because I've heard that doing so can drop temps by as much as 15c.

[fading glacier]

it can, yes, but you must know how to do it, if you do it wrong you could harm the temps in return

[hot bough]

Figured.

[odd siren]

A 4080 will be well worth your wait in a couple months over a 3090 Ti

[hot bough]

What are the biggest differences between AMD and Nvidia GPUs for workloads like Modeling, Rendering, and gaming?

[odd siren]

Significant

But also not the end of the world on AMD

[hot bough]

Figured, so I guess I will keep waiting.

[odd siren]

You really want CUDA for workstation

[hot bough]

That puts Nvidia on top in that case I assume?

[odd siren]

Ye

[hot bough]

I've never used a AMD gpu so I don't know much about those/

[odd siren]

AMD have been designing their consumer cards for gaming anyway

Honestly my experience with RDNA 2 has been very positive

[hot bough]

That's good.

But based on what you're saying, I think I will continue sticking with Nvidia as my workflow is a fairly even balance between gaming and workstation uses.

[fading glacier]

what are you using rn?

[fading glacier]

the future appears very grim with the "less sell in" that jensen said

[hot bough]

3070 using EVGA's OC preset. been getting the job done but much slower then I'd prefer and I'd like to be able to run higher settings in the things I play and be able to record higher resolutions without affecting performance much.

[fading glacier]

you can pretty much wait for the 4090 anyway

[odd siren]

Can wait for 4080 or 4070 with a 3070

[fading glacier]

yeah easily

[odd siren]

So you'll def have the means

[fading glacier]

even if the scalpers attack you can pretty much wait comfortably well

[hot bough]

Which 40 series is coming out first?

[fading glacier]

4090

[hot bough]

Okay, checking that it didn't change.

[fading glacier]

still you need to beat the scalpers first

so probably a month to get one

with all the fuzz jensen said about the sell ins

[hot bough]

You mean get it within a month of release?

[fading glacier]

probably scalpers and bots will win the first batch of cards, its a probablilty

[hot bough]

Got it. Will probably keep enough for the 4090 on hand and get that before the other parts just in case then.

I am not going through the hell of paying 4,000$ for a gpu.

[fading glacier]

we will see

worst case scenario will be very few 40 series cards to keep selling the 30 series

[hot bough]

I had to buy my 3070 at the height of GPU inflation because my last PC died which made my computer cost drastically more.

[fading glacier]

and scalpers getting their hands on the few 4090s

[vital oriole]

i doubt it would be scalped too badly

eth mining is dead soon

that will make mining less attractive

therefore less point of selling

[fading glacier]

still the "less sell in" that jensen talked could lead to scalping, at least the first month

i mean, its a possibility

[vital oriole]

im just skeptical myself

[fading glacier]

i hope you are right and my fears are wrong

[vital oriole]

but anything can happen, still

[fading glacier]

i want to snatch a 4080 at launch

[vital oriole]

i just hope that it's not too bad

[fading glacier]

but that cryptic "less sell ins" is dreadful

[vital oriole]

nvidia might start with a few cards available only

to combat 30 series stock issue

[livid idol]

That statement reeks of greed and market manipulation

[vital oriole]

aibs are still rushing to sell gpus left and right lol

it's definitely greed

[fading glacier]

yeah i hope the same, that its just market manipulation

[vital oriole]

nvidia tried to not disclose the actual mining revenue too

it made them big money

[livid idol]

Be ready for a paper launch of 40 series because they're trying to make them coexist with 30 series sales for some greedy reason

[vital oriole]

like it's obvious

cause look at that 20gb 3080 that's just flooded china

that thing has no lhr

[fading glacier]

at least the first months will be out of stock everywhere

[vital oriole]

nvidia surely had been taking orders for miners

[livid idol]

That's also partially due to the ban on mining in China

[vital oriole]

and msi is even in it

[odd siren]

Well etherium is not truly dead yet so I understand a 20gb 3080 existing

[vital oriole]

yeah but it shows how nvidia had special versions just for miners

[fading glacier]

not yet

it will die in 1 week

[livid idol]

Mining ends in less than 4 days tho

[odd siren]

Does it? Proof of stake?

[vital oriole]

yes

[livid idol]

Yep

[vital oriole]

it's counting down

i might sell my rig after this

[keen nacelle]

With the eth merge I'm expecting an even bigger mass selling very soon

[vital oriole]

it's just a prebuilt

so i just need to clean it up and boom

[keen nacelle]

Prices are going to plummet imo, but ig well find out soon

[vital oriole]

money

[fading glacier]

yeah the merge will be a massive event

like the extinction of the dinosaurs

[vital oriole]

my 1660s probably won't make much if at all

there's still profit but it's in what

cents

[livid idol]

I'm of the same mind. A small spike will be followed by a mass selloff and drop in value

[vital oriole]

if i do get to other currencies

but idk, imma also watch the situation for a lil

before i try talking to dad about selling

[fading glacier]

as far as i know, the profitability on other coins is not worth the effort

[vital oriole]

rn yes

[fading glacier]

but maybe im talking out of my azz

[vital oriole]

but things could change

[keen nacelle]

It's not that far behind eth considering, but it will likely drop

[vital oriole]

once eth dies off

[livid idol]

Raven and a couple others are still profitable but summer 🥵

[vital oriole]

oof

[keen nacelle]

Rvn and ergo mainly

[odd siren]

Guess it's time to withdraw the little bit I had

[vital oriole]

etc has a lot of hash power tho

[keen nacelle]

If mining doesn't fall off one of those two will likely become the main one to mine, imo ergo since it Mines similarly to how eth does

Won't etc go with eth though?

[vital oriole]

people might flock to etc instead

no

etc remains pow

[keen nacelle]

Oh really? Then that's also a possibility

[livid idol]

If raven hits $1 I'm rich

[keen nacelle]

Maybe I should buy some small cryptos rn

Not a ton of money, just a bit in case it pops off

[vital oriole]

consider etc maybe

[fading glacier]

just imagine a massive hash rate on the new 40 series to justify mining operations on other coins

that could be hilarious

[vital oriole]

lol

[livid idol]

It would be a good time to buy and sell for the short term, then rebuy after the inevitable crash

[vital oriole]

they're gonna come with lhr

[keen nacelle]

I'll probably put like 50 or so into etc, rvn and ergo each

[vital oriole]

according to escanor

our nvidia man

[keen nacelle]

I wonder if fe will

[fading glacier]

damn escanor and the nda chains

[livid idol]

They're LHR by reports I've seen

[vital oriole]

^

[livid idol]

Since LHR has had time to mature I'll bet it applies to more than eth and ergo now

[keen nacelle]

Probably

[fading glacier]

in any case i have 1k stashed for a 4080, hope that will be enough

[keen nacelle]

Wouldn't surprise me

[keen nacelle]

But what if 3080s drop to $200

[fading glacier]

damn... when you put it that way

[livid idol]

Jensen won't let that happen, too much money to lose

[fading glacier]

but you know that will not happen, at least not new

[keen nacelle]

Def not new, I mean mining cards

[livid idol]

They would totally crash the market if they released all the GPUs they have in warehouses

[keen nacelle]

^

[fading glacier]

still 500 on 3080s could be a reality

[livid idol]

Not according to Jensen

[keen nacelle]

I really wouldn't be surprised to see 200-300 used

[livid idol]

Maybe used

[keen nacelle]

200 for a 3070 would be sick too

Considering that's a 1080 right now

[livid idol]

Hell I'd be happy if the 3060 was $200

[keen nacelle]

Fair enough

[livid idol]

*ti

Regular is lower

[keen nacelle]

Is it? Cool

[livid idol]

I saw blower 1080s going for $160

[keen nacelle]

I'm realizing I haven't eaten today

[livid idol]

Triple fan model for $175

[keen nacelle]

Except for a 10 piece from Wendy's

[fading glacier]

pasta ma friend

you cant go wrong with pasta

[keen nacelle]

I actually have some leftover cajun chicken pasta in the fridge

[fading glacier]

Australia and vietnam posting 4090s already with placeholder prices, damn, wonder if those leaks are fake

seems like we are getting extremely close now

[odd siren]

Eh

HECC

I GOTTA KNOW

[fading glacier]

seein it now on videocardz while having my coffee

[odd siren]

Ehhh

[fading glacier]

i can see 4090s before the end of the month, im tellin you

[odd siren]

Idk that store

Aorus pics when tho

Xtreme/master was gorgeous

I would willingly get one next gen if it looks as good as that did

[fading glacier]

still those prices.... yeah they must be place holders

[odd siren]

If they're that high I'm waiting for RDNA 3

There's just no way

Not when 3090's are nearly a third that rn

Here

[fading glacier]

80% more powerfuls than a 3090.... also 80% more expensive

hell yeah

[odd siren]

Be a wash imo lol

Would rather wait

[fading glacier]

Jensen must be desperate, if they are cheaper than 30 series... damn, if not... damn damn

[odd siren]

They won't be

[fading glacier]

but not THAT expensive either

[odd siren]

We can hope

Covid was the best thing to happen to nvidia

[fading glacier]

still holding my hopes for an affordable 4080

[odd siren]

With the mining boom

[fading glacier]

if not, well at least a 7800xt

[vital oriole]

eh

[fading glacier]

at the very least

[vital oriole]

nvidia rn needs to clear 30 series stock

they're not worried about 40 at all

so i think 40 series won't be exactly cheap but still not too far up

[fading glacier]

and it seems that it will release before amd

[odd siren]

3K usd for a 4090 is a bit extreme tho

[vital oriole]

3k? where do you even get such info from? kek

[odd siren]

It's got to be placeholder

[fading glacier]

it is

[odd siren]

The pcperth site

[vital oriole]

if it costs 3k imma just kms

[odd siren]

Ok not 3K

[fading glacier]

must be way cheaper

[odd siren]

Like 2.8 after converting

[fading glacier]

i see it reasonable for like 2k

not more

[vital oriole]

which country?

[odd siren]

Aus

[vital oriole]

ah

well aus has trash prices so expected

[odd siren]

We also have stunted nvidia pricing yeah

That's still crazy high

[fading glacier]

at least these leaks "confirm" that the 4090s on production were from gigabyte

4090s eagle 3x 🤢

[odd siren]

What wrong with eagle

[fading glacier]

too simple design 😦

[odd siren]

I have 2 eagle cards

[fading glacier]

they are just a box

[odd siren]

[vital oriole]

Eagle cools fine

[odd siren]

After we shared pasta love

[vital oriole]

Looks are just subjective smh

[fading glacier]

yeah i mean no disrespect to the cooling

but they are so... plain

[vital oriole]

All I need from a pc myself is

Works, cools good

Looks are just optional for me kek

Different case for laptops tho

I want some flair, but not gamery rgb stuff

[odd siren]

I'd shill hard for gigglebit tbh if the products they make weren't so polarising between actually ass and good

[vital oriole]

Like that understated looks

Literally why I'm still wanting to get victus

[fading glacier]

for now i have a healthy relationship with msi and evga

[vital oriole]

MSI PR team got a few people boycotting MSI lol

Like it's nothing to do with their products, sheesh

Besides MSI quickly changed their pr team afterwards

So I don't understand the hate

[odd siren]

My opinion of MSI became a lot better after the airflow cases started coming out

[fading glacier]

you cant say no to the dragon

[vital oriole]

But msi laptops are still kinda meh

They run hot

[odd siren]

I actually don't mind the GF66 we have lol

[vital oriole]

Especially the budget line

[odd siren]

For budget tier it's decent

[vital oriole]

For my area victus is simply better choice

[odd siren]

Ye

Or that one msi you mentioned before at like 700 usd or something

[vital oriole]

That's the gf65

Tragic batt life tho

[cerulean rover]

bleach loves them

they're about the only laptop that lets you oc ram

[vital oriole]

Ofc that one is a good one

I'm just talking about the more budget ones

[cerulean rover]

still, ability to oc ram is nice

[vital oriole]

Those budget options has no ram oc options

And that's a shame

[odd siren]

It's a game changer if you can use it properly

[cerulean rover]

Sad, but that makes the mid end MSI lineup more viable

[odd siren]

You go from jedec rather than xmp

[vital oriole]

I don't dig the budget lineup looks too

Too much red

Like it looks ugly

[odd siren]

It doesn't look as bad in person

But they could def ditch red and use white

Lol

[vital oriole]

I had a look in person at the older nitro laptops

And I would say I didn't like the redness of everything

MSI definitely has that similar vibe

[odd siren]

Red is a polarising colour

[vital oriole]

I just don't like it much

It's fine if it means I get a nice deal

My laptop is also red and black

I hate how the keyboard is hard to read

[woeful musk]

Opinions on the intel arc?

[hasty sphinx]

afaik, has really buggy drivers

also, intel hasn't been in the GPU game long enough to really be up there with AMD, let alone NVIDIA

[woeful musk]

Oh alright, just curious

[spice coral]

I’ll have an opinion when I get mine if I decide to actually use it lmao

[grizzled nimbus]

i mean

intel is the biggest gpu manu in the world

[livid idol]

Integrated doesn't count. Arc is a whole new ballgame for them.

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-the-simpsons-at-least-you-tried-fail-failure-gif-7859548

[hot bough]

What'd I miss?

[wicked hound]

Only good for video encoding due to AV1 encode (which ADA/RDNA3 GPUs may or may not do. I'd assume they will but who knows). Otherwise not worth it for the standard user (not surprising tho, first time is pretty hard to be worth it).

[spice coral]

I won a a770 lol

[patent latch]

Does anyone know anything about an RX A4050?

[livid idol]

Doesn't exist and probably won't. The A in front of the number is usually Nvidia workstation cards but RX denotes AMD.

Nvidia will probably make a 4050 GPU at some point but not any time in the next year

[wide pagoda]

What’s a good vertical gpu mounting kit for the phanteks G360A, with a 3090

[patent latch]

Sorry for the miss clarification. I mean the Nvidia RTX A4050 Workstation graphics cards. It’s like a Quadro.

[fading glacier]

yeah we know 😛 nothing so far

[heady turtle]

would highly recommend not to vert mounting can increase temps a lot and g360a isnt that wide imo

[livid idol]

All we have right now is the A4000, I don't see anything about an A4050

[wicked hound]

Nvidia hasn't used the tens digit in the it Quadro naming scheme since 2018. Not to mention out of all their Quadro GPUs they only use the tens digit if it's a low end Quadro card that only goes upto the hundreds digit (P620, K420, K620, etc). So there won't be a A4050. There is however an A4500, is that what you're talking about?

[patent latch]

Check this out on @Newegg: PNY RTX A4500 VCNRTXA4500-PB 20GB 320-bit GDDR6 with ECC PCI Express 4.0 Workstation Video Card https://www.newegg.com/pny-vcnrtxa4500-pb/p/N82E16814133831?Item=9SIA2F8GZX5520&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIA2F8GZX5520-_-09092022

[patent latch]

Ya that’s it a A4500

[livid idol]

What did you want to know about it?

[patent latch]

I was wondering if anyone has experience with the unit. I’m considering getting a Unit for 3D Rendering/ Gaming.

[livid idol]

It's not a gaming card, it performs pretty badly

It's more specialized than a standard desktop GPU

[patent latch]

If I’m correct it should be = to the 3070~| I’m more interested in pushing the limits of games. I have issues with my 3060 Ti because of its limited None ECC memory.

[livid idol]

In benchmarks and raw performance maybe but individual games need to optimize for the render devices, and no one does that for workstation cards.

[wicked hound]

ECC slows down memory usually, esp if its in use and trying to correct errors (which gamers would usually only see from OCing too hard)

Could get a used 3090 for $850(?) if you're looking to spend a lot

[livid idol]

GDDR6X has better error correction so maybe you want a 3070 ti instead

But yeah a used 3090 would be your best option possible, 24gb is good for rendering

And much cheaper than a $4000 workstation card

[hot bough]

What is the current expected release date of the 4090?

Curious because an article I read suggested as soon as the 28th or something like that.

[heady turtle]

could be, thin its supposed to be sometime this month

[hot bough]

I better start putting away the $ to make sure I get my hands on one before damned scalpers get them then.

[fading glacier]

you must be in the first 5 minutes

maybe 2 first minutes xD

[normal hawk]

Whats your workstation needs?

[pulsar pine]

what gpu should i get right now for a 5600x

[fading glacier]

that depends on your budget and the resolution you aim to play

5600x can pair very well with any gpu

[pulsar pine]

like 500

at 1080p

amd and nvidia options please n thx

[fading glacier]

you can very well pair it from a 6600xt for like 350usd to a 6700xt for 450usd... beasts on 1080p and 1440p

on nvidia side you could pair it with a 3060ti for like 450usd or a 3070 at 550usd...

at that budget

any of those cards can handle 1080p ultra and 1440p on very high

[pulsar pine]

oh okay thansk

thanks

[wicked hound]

@silent jay Your assistance would be appreciated.

[silent jay]

Eh?

Oh

[wicked hound]

Spam my dude

[silent jay]

yar

danke

[wicked hound]

Thanks

[silent jay]

Shrooms beat me to it by just a hair. lol

[valid citrus]

for amd gpus, does each graphics card from different manufacturers differ in performance?

specifically for rx 6600

[keen nacelle]

Not much, mainly cooling

I'd avoid mech

[valid citrus]

you mean msi mech?

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[heady turtle]

Just get the cheapest for the 6600's

[fading glacier]

the time is nigh

and to think amd was going to release 7000 series first and nvidia missin the xmas season... we were all deceived

especially that guy that thought 40 series will be delayed a whole year 😛

[vital oriole]

wth

already leakin?

[fading glacier]

yup, look at videocardz

the backside of that zotac is pretty dope

they have them on the packaging line already

[vital oriole]

design looks goofy on the shroud

[fading glacier]

for a vertical mounting those looks meh, but on horizontal the backside looks dope for me

[vital oriole]

yeah

[fading glacier]

not like im planning on a 4090 anyway 😛

and gigglebyte with almost 8 versions already, we need leaks from evga and asus already xD

sadly no 4080 sighted so far 😦

[vital oriole]

it's coming later this year, hopefully

if 30 series timelines can be used with this

[fading glacier]

hopefull late october or early november

seems like 4090 is poised to strike by the end of this month

to me it seems that those 4090s are already being shipped to the stores in preparation for the launch

thats my opinion ofc 😛

[hot bough]

Can you send me the leak site?

I'd love to checkout the images.

[vital oriole]

It's videocardz.com

[hot bough]

By the way, so you guys think the 4090 will hit by the end of this month?

Also thanks for the url.

"The RTX 4090 GAMING OC is listed at 4270 AUD (2916 USD), which is of course just a placeholder. Probably in line of what we usually see before each high-end GPU launch." I'm praying to g0d that this doesn't cost that much on launch in Nvidia's site.

[keen nacelle]

Def not on nvidias site

How much you can actually get it for, won't know till we see it

[stable crane]

a friend of mine bought a new graphics card to put in (old ish) prebuilt. But the graphics card power cable didn’t get send with it at the time. Is it possible to buy a new graphics card cable or is that a no go?

[cerulean rover]

If the prebuilt PSU doesn't have a cable with it, might want to change PSU

PSU cables aren't cross compatible

Unless you're asking for a riser cable?

[stable crane]

No just the power cable itself.

[zinc patio]

Is worth to change 3090 to a 3090 ti

[fading glacier]

no

[hot bough]

Unless you're looking for ways to spend money for small gains, I wouldn't say so.

The performance difference isn't very big at the cost of a whole new GPU.

I recommend you wait for the 4090.

[fading glacier]

even as a rich person, no... you should probably wait for the 4090 directly

[hot bough]

Look at what I just said.

Also let me correct what I said.

[zinc patio]

I was asking because i can return the 3090 and get the 3090 ti just payin like 20 dollar difference

I cant wait for 4090

Right now

[hot bough]

Oh, then yeah.

20$ difference then it's definitely worth the upgrade.

I thought you meant, you had a 3090 and wanted to spend another $1500 for a 3090 ti.

[zinc patio]

Because i can do the same return the 3090 ti and get the 4090what about the consumps?

[hot bough]

Are you asking for the power rating on the 3090 ti or 4090?

[zinc patio]

Is just microcenter things lol

[fading glacier]

dont know if you can get away with that trick on the new generation

[zinc patio]

3090 vs 3090 ti

[hot bough]

Doesn't the 4090 use the same 3pin cable as the 3090 ti?

[hot bough]

Not very big.

Maybe 50-100 watt?

@zinc patio, official PR for the 3090ti is "450W"

[fading glacier]

we dont know

[zinc patio]

So i can kept the 3090 and wait for the 4090? Instead to pay the difference for the 3090 ti?

[fading glacier]

best bet is to return the card and get your money back

then use the money to buy a 4090

but we know nothing about price and availability

you could end without a card for months in the worst scenario

at the end its your call

[fading glacier]

also power draw you should be the least of your worries. Im pretty sure reviewers will look first at how those card will behave handling transients when the embargo lifts

cause the transients on the high 30 series were frightening

[hot bough]

You can count on me for review.

[hot bough]

Transients refers to the power spikes correct?

[fading glacier]

yes

[hot bough]

I have $2,000 stashed away for the moment 4090 lands.

I am not putting up with scalper risks anymore.

[zinc patio]

You think that the price gonna keep dropping?

[fading glacier]

could be, maybe not

we will see after the announcement

[zinc patio]

The thing is that i have to go back to my country and in September 28 i have to be there

[fading glacier]

jensen wont allow the high end 30 cards to drop too much

[zinc patio]

So im trying to get the best deal

I just got 750w platinum and i bought the 5800x3d

[fading glacier]

well, you need to take the shot by yourself

[zinc patio]

The PSU can't handle the 3090 ti

I think so

[fading glacier]

no

even a 3090 will be at its limit

[keen nacelle]

I would not run anything over a 3080/6900xt on a 750w psu

[zinc patio]

So if i got the 3090 ti i have to buy 1000w

[keen nacelle]

plat means nothing

[fading glacier]

you will have shut downs most of the time

even more when you pair it with a 5800x3d

750 is awfully insufficient

[zinc patio]

So i gonna buy the 3090 ti and another psu

[fading glacier]

i should spend on a 1000w A tier psu to have peace of mind

on my opinion your best shot at a better prices "could" be after the announcement, like september 21 or 22

could happen... could not happen

you have to decide by yourself on that regard

[zinc patio]

I have a 750w seasonic focus platinum

What i can get 1000w

Any recommendations?

[fading glacier]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

any A tier of that list my man

make sure is a 1000w unit at least

look for one on you budget and you are good to go

[keen nacelle]

phanteks amp is $130 rn iirc

[muted slate]

I mean if your going to be upgrading that consistently and purchasing another high end nvidia card in the future then you'd mind as well get a 1200 watt unit so you won't have to buy yet another one in the future
Because from what I've heard the new ones are going to chew through alot of power

[fading glacier]

by that time he should replace it with a new atx3.0 psu anyway

so no much point

[muted slate]

Oh yeah I forgot about atx 3.0

When does that come out?

[fading glacier]

by the end of the year as well (most likely)

[muted slate]

Oh ok

[long ocean]

my second monitor keeps crashing my graphics card

usually when im playing videos

has anyone experienced anything like this?

[zinc patio]

Which one are atx 3.0?

[muted slate]

Atx 3.0 hasn't come out yet

[zinc patio]

Hell nah im bout to buy an evga supernova p5

Is good?

[muted slate]

Honestly if were in your shoes I would wait until the 4090 comes out and then grab an atx 3.0 psu when it comes out too but then again who knows if cards will go out of stock again like last time
Unless you need the 3090 ti like rn

Or if you can return the 3090 and get a 3090 ti for cheaper or the same price

[zinc patio]

Is at the same price but i still need to buy a new psu

[muted slate]

Yeah
When does your return period end

[zinc patio]

2 month but im leaving USA in 15 days

[muted slate]

oh ok

[muted slate]

He has a point. You could wait until after you watched the announcement and determine if you should buy a GPU/PSU now or later

[zinc patio]

I would wait thanks everyone

[muted slate]

👌

[livid idol]

RIP Intel Arc
Cancelled before celestial started development. Battlemage is uncertain, possibly just laptops.

[fading glacier]

official?

heard those leaks on moore's law but idk

[verbal mesa]

Does global graphics in the amd adrenaline software apply to all games?

[odd siren]

Not official no
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-arc-rumour-raja-koduri-twitter-response/

[fading glacier]

moore's law was very.... idk man... didnt like that video... too sensationalist

hope intel arc will continue, as bad as they are, we need them

[livid idol]

Marketing and the actual engineers and C suite execs are all on very different pages

When you're posting a $300 million loss with no idea when it'll become profitable, that's hard to justify.

[odd siren]

Hard to justify any of it really when it's all in a swirl like this lol

No official word yet so ima keep hoping

[random zinc]

4090 pic

[odd siren]

That heatsink be thicc

I actually kinda like the look ngl

[ivory herald]

Reminds me of the bottom of some cars.

[random zinc]

600watts tdp that’s why

I’m wondering how much power will the Rtx 8090 use

[odd siren]

They won't be able to keep jacking power up, not with power costs rising

[random zinc]

Water cool

3090ti uses 450w with 360 aim goes up only 45-50c

[odd siren]

Not the issue, the problem is people won't keep buying it if it runs like an air conditioner

[random zinc]

Heater*

[odd siren]

Sure, same scale of power usage

[random zinc]

Now I’m just waiting to see the price drop for the 30series

My 750w psu could handle it

[fading glacier]

2 days for price drops... hopefully

[vital oriole]

600w tdp

nah, i doubt that

[hot bough]

Lmao, you're right.

And yeah I kinda do like that zotac model.

Looks futuristic.

[vital oriole]

but idk about the cooling on them

zotac has always been meh

[keen nacelle]

Can't wait for a blower fan 4090

[hot bough]

Is that even possible without like a 4,000 rpm fan?

[keen nacelle]

Possible? Yes

Recommended? No

[hot bough]

True, and water cooling would void the point of buying it for the futuristic look.

[hot bough]

Hmmm, lmao you just reminded me of this 4090 joke from a year ago.

Where this guy made this fake 4090 the size of like a full tower PC case.

And it consumed so much power to where the blower fan even at 8,000 rpm couldn't keep up and it lit on fire.

[keen nacelle]

Ah yeah the 3090s glued together basically

[hot bough]

Yep.

[slim salmon]

i think i asked before but is a 6600 a significant increase over a 1660 ti? and is the 6750 worth the extra money?

[fading glacier]

check the pins on this channel

there is a rough chart comparing gpus performance

[odd siren]

I would say yes

Esp. if you get one that overclocks well

(6600 I'm talking about)

[keen nacelle]

If possible, I'd get 6650xt for$320 over the 6600 at 250

[wicked hound]

Zotac GPUs just makes it seem like some sort of old tech. I think it might be the box, seems like smth one would see for really old GPUs but without the character/main art design thing

I think random electronic stuff was experimenting with that kind of smooth look too back then, maybe not idk. But the design just feels so damn old

[fading glacier]

at least we know those are coming

we need the evga.msi and asus leaks as well

[odd siren]

Wait for zotac 4090ti holo

Rgb everywhere

Wth is the gamerock card gonna look like

They already did cringe rgb everywhere

[fading glacier]

the palit one?

[odd siren]

Ya

Rgb backplate?

[fading glacier]

man, i want the joker one

2 more months

[odd siren]

[keen nacelle]

Nah, just zotac

Only aib for all of 40 series

[fading glacier]

[odd siren]

https://tenor.com/view/zotac-3080-gif-18549684

Why does the 4090 zotac match their outfits perfectly

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/tin-foil-hat-jabrils-foil-hat-put-on-a-hat-wearing-a-hat-gif-18223681

[hot bough]

Lmao, what did I miss.

[hasty sphinx]

What's this?

[velvet grail]

Just got the 1080 (finally) and I can't test it out today, I noticed some discoloration on the PCB near PCIe connectors and some other small points, is it normal? I know it's usually caused by heat around the area but maybe it's just a bit affected because it's old

[vital oriole]

it looks like finger oil

nothing serious

[velvet grail]

Okei

The last owner probably doesn't care about the card much

Is there a significant bottleneck w 1080+9400f?

[odd siren]

no there wouldn't be

9400f should run that fine

in other news, mr. intel graphics once again saying arc isn't cancelled:
https://twitter.com/RajaXg/status/1569368896712617987

Raja Koduri (Bali Makaradhwaja) (@RajaXg)

@GamerMeld @GTechGeorge Attached is what we said in Feb'22 and are continuing to execute this strategy.

Likes

147

Twitter · Sep 12, 2022, 4:54 PM

[random zinc]

For servers? Yes

[fading glacier]

yaaaaay

[fading glacier]

normal? idk.... its used so the "normal" thing doesnt apply anymore

if it works, it works

[muted slate]

when do da 7900 xt come out

[fading glacier]

no one knows

[muted slate]

F

[heady turtle]

Soon ish

[fading glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

well, now the gigglebyte 4090 gaming oc was leaked, but nothing about evga or msi 😦

same heatsink and fans as the 3090ti tho... seems like they went cheap on imagination this gen

[cerulean rover]

Or it's just concept/prototype images still, final products might still be different

[fading glacier]

well.... they seem to be on the last step at the factories

packaging

https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gaming-oc-graphics-card-has-been-pictured

probably they are already on their way out to the stores in preparation for the launch date

if jensen will reveal them at september 20, im guessing those cards will be available before the end of september

seems like nvidia was well ahead of the game... we were all fooled

[patent latch]

Hello, I was wondering if anyone knows about the release date of the next generation “Quadro” or now called “A####” will be?

[fading glacier]

nothing so far

wait for the gtc keynote next week

[hot bough]

This wait is killing meh....

[fading glacier]

ikr

seems like the days are a lot longer lately

i want my effin pc now, yet raptor lake is on october and 4080 probably

in November

[hot bough]

......

Someone give me a shotgun.

[fading glacier]

probably those are delayed as well

[hot bough]

Dammit all....

Any idea when ATX 3.0 PSUs come out?

[fading glacier]

guess it

probably november as well

[hot bough]

......

https://tenor.com/view/anime-funny-just-leave-me-gif-14079057

[brisk flame]

what

is that font

lmao

[supple socket]

lmao

default font

[hot bough]

Leh smuuth fuant.

[fading glacier]

its the new font

for the 40 series

yeah kinda goofy i know

[hot bough]

Shoulda made it matrix style.

Numbers formed with numbers.

By the way, how do I rank up above regular+?

[ivory herald]

Same way you got to reg+, but don't spam. You can already post pics. Rank doesn't mean much and is mainly just related to how much people have talked.

[fading glacier]

yup, rank is not a competition

as long as you can share pics, then you are fine

[hot bough]

proceeds to send a picture for every square inch of my current and neck PC....

[hard grail]

is it a good idea to get a 3080 these days

or should i wait for the new gen to drop

[fading glacier]

wait at least for the announcement to see if prices drop a lot more

buying a high card right now is absolute insanity

[hard grail]

lmfao why arent the prices rn lower than usual?

ill wait for the announcement then

[odd siren]

people are comfortably buying

prices are still dropping tho

slowly tho

[fading glacier]

i mean, they are low, but there is a chance for them to be even lower

and, if you have the money to buy a high end card you might as well wait for the next gen high end card

[vital oriole]

it won't be much lower

jensen doesn't want to lose too much

[livid idol]

Artificial scarcity and market manipulation ftw

[hasty sphinx]

It isn't?

[hasty sphinx]

Buy a high end card now and then buy a high end card later :P

[odd siren]

If you haven't started competing now you've already lost

[hasty sphinx]

Exactly :P

I just kinda fell off talking in here a lot when I went on vacation. I focused really hard on my game because a patch came out that allowed me to make millions of gold lol

[fading glacier]

man, i saw a video where one guy grinded the back of a 1070 with a drill to repair it.... damn those are some mad skills

died a little inside when the drill started its job

but some mad skills inded, cleaning and solder/resolder caps on the card

youtube is such a magical place

[quartz gull]

Should I hop on a $60 970?

My current backup card is a 950

[fading glacier]

if you can flip your 950 sure

its a nice upgrade

[quartz gull]

My 950 is one of those slightly down clocked models

That has no external power

[fading glacier]

if not you can end with 60 less on your pocket for almost no reason

backup card is meant to do that... backup only

[quartz gull]

It'll probably be thrown into an Inspiron

[fading glacier]

not to actively play on that

just to hold you up until an rma

[quartz gull]

Ye

[hot bough]

Aren't 900 series cards losing driver support soon?

[velvet grail]

GPU testing (sowwy)

[hot bough]

.....

What nightmare did I just witness.

[velvet grail]

Don't ask

[hot bough]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-reactioj-anime-reaction-anime-honest-funny-roblox-gif-24898939

[wicked hound]

Not even that bad tbf

[hot bough]

Now I'm concerned....

I'm the person who redoes his entire cable management like every 3-6 months to try and make it better each time. I've redone the cable management on my desk 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

[fading glacier]

not soon, but they are next in line

maybe in a year or so

[fading glacier]

if it works leave it alone

no need to redo the cables every 3 months

in fact redoin its like calling an accident to happen

[hot bough]

I'm a perfectionist though.

And I have been indeed improving it each time.

[fading glacier]

not doubting on your mad skills at the organizational level

but every time you redo you are adding more unnecessary risks to your build

[hot bough]

But yeah, redoing it is risking a chance of mess up each time.

[fading glacier]

as the saying goes" if it works, leave it alone"

[hot bough]

I think what I'm gonna do once I do my next build is just spend like 6hrs setting up the wires as good as it can be.

Then leave it alone till I do a upgrade or smth.

[fading glacier]

👍

[hot bough]

https://tenor.com/view/strong-strong-man-mighty-muscles-muscled-up-gif-15393518

Aight time to put these muscles to work once the time comes.

Lmao.

By the way, how you doing Ravell?

[fading glacier]

doin fine, thx 😄 need more tech leaks to have a healthy day tho

[hot bough]

Agreed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZajuZA0P2ZI

been listening to this so far today as I code.

Noticeable but not distracting for coding.

[odd siren]

Dat be lookin Aorus thicc there

[vital oriole]

is that 4090 vision

oh wait that's lenovo legion prebuilt

looks so much like vision lineup lmao

single stick ram tho

if it's ddr5 i can understand

if ddr4, well big yikes

[fading glacier]

probably an 8gb ddr5

[vital oriole]

i doubt it

it's a rig with 4090

[fading glacier]

looks so lonely tho... all alone in the universe

[vital oriole]

at least 32 is expected imo

it has aio for cpu too

so that means higher end variant

[fading glacier]

true

at least a 240, not like the alienware jokes on a 120

[vital oriole]

least it's also standard

so you can likely just pull a case swap

psu won't be an issue since it's definitely designed with a psu that can power the gpu

[fading glacier]

alienware with a 120 😛 dell doesnt give a *** about standards xD

thats the r13 with a 3090 inside if im not mistaken

poor card

[vital oriole]

im talkin about legion tho

but the alienware is a mess and a half

i would be totally fine with it if all it had was 12400f and 3050 or something

and that 120mm aio would be a-okay

[fading glacier]

cant argue against that

[odd siren]

what if it was 32gb single stick

[vital oriole]

single stick is fine really

[odd siren]

it is, I just wanted to know how you'd react

lol

[vital oriole]

"dual channel" ddr5 moment

[odd siren]

legit waiting to see alienware give up on an actual decent 4 slot card and make a 2 slot 4090

since it won't fit with their standards

2 slot barely fits in their current design

[vital oriole]

4 dimm ddr5 boards are cringe

[odd siren]

not as cringe as the eventual alienware

[vital oriole]

lol

since laptops has 2 dimm slot for a lot of times

that means laptop better than pc

[odd siren]

[lofty crane]

hey so I am soon to buy a 3070 ti but theres a $50 difference to a 3080

should I consider getting an 3080?

[fading glacier]

go 3080

miles better

[lofty crane]

okay

[fading glacier]

however

what psu do you have?

[lofty crane]

at the moment I am making an list in pc part picker

[fading glacier]

you can easily go with a 650w on the 3070 but the 3080 will need a good A tier 750w at least

[lofty crane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qGzxW4

[fading glacier]

only for gaming?

[lofty crane]

uh yeah

its more for my friend

He said he won't use much space considering I get him a 1tb but I am not really sure as there is a hdd for $49-60 for 2tb and 7200rpm speed

[fading glacier]

oh wait

[lofty crane]

?

[fading glacier]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KmZdv3

cheaper and better

[lofty crane]

yeah..

[fading glacier]

you dont need a G cpu when you have a discrete gpu

they sacrifice a lot of cpu power for the integrated graphics

[lofty crane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/xYvqqs/asus-rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-ii-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-ii

I forgot to mention he is looking for a dark red theme

Would this decent?

[fading glacier]

yeah its decent, expensive for the brand but decent

you can also consider a intel system. a couple more bucks but better performance than the amd system

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MbYBxs

thats the intel version

[lofty crane]

Can I be honest with you? xD

I only know how to build amd for him

xD

[fading glacier]

oh, then ok, at least you have both alternatives at hand, both are good

intel is a tad better, but whichever you feel more comfortable

[lofty crane]

yeah they are expensive and good

[fading glacier]

not that much of a difference between the 5600 and the 12400f anyway, intel is a bit ahead but either one is ok

[lofty crane]

5600X?

[odd siren]

5600 is the same thing

it's literally just no X in the name

maybe .1GHz less if anything but will perform exactly the same

[fading glacier]

the 5600x is 30 pounds more expensive for 200mhz more on clock frequency

not worth on my opinion

3.4ghz vs 3.6ghz if im not mistaken

aside from that they are identical

[lofty crane]

fair enough

How about AMD7?

Like 2700x , 3800x and 3700x?

[odd siren]

nah not those

[lofty crane]

they are sheeet?

[vital oriole]

those aren't worth getting

[odd siren]

not worth losing the gains of Zen 3

[vital oriole]

at all

[lofty crane]

Okay so uh whats the option I can get?

the normal version of 5600 or the x?

[odd siren]

imo 12400f would be a far better idea

[lofty crane]

Sorry I am only familiar with amd

[odd siren]

I realise that lol

[fading glacier]

if you are going amd 5600 is far better that the x version, at least money wise

if they were like 10 or less bucks apart maybe the 5600x will be a better choice

[lofty crane]

but performance wise?

[fading glacier]

but not for 30 pounds, hell naw

[fading glacier]

they are identical

[lofty crane]

okay i go for normal version

you guys have a recommend nvem?

sdd ^

[odd siren]

MP33

[lofty crane]

I see a pro and a normal one

[odd siren]

if the pro is like 2 pounds more sure

if not nah

[lofty crane]

uh no

86 for pro

normal 72

[odd siren]

not worth

just normal

[lofty crane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/

I forgot ram

uh

[odd siren]

wrong link

that's just to a blank list

[lofty crane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/W2crtn

xD

[odd siren]

ya you forgot ram in this one, a few other things

[lofty crane]

He has a case and a few other things

what ram you recommend?

[odd siren]

that list doesn't seem too bad

[lofty crane]

I need like a 16x2

or x4

[fading glacier]

im against the strix on a budget but hey, its your money

[odd siren]

i'm not familiar with uk pricing but it's relatively alright, I think there's a cheaper 3080 tho available

[lofty crane]

not mine 😂

[fading glacier]

yeah the pny is 100 pounds cheaper

[odd siren]

pumpy

[fading glacier]

pny besto cardo

[odd siren]

ew wth is wrong with uk

[lofty crane]

lol

[odd siren]

Vengememes is cheapest

yuck

oh good patriots are a $1 more

jeez that was scary

[fading glacier]

yeah prices on uk are kinda wack

[lofty crane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JnDyQ6 here I put the ram

[odd siren]

don't need 64gb

[fading glacier]

no no

not 64

32gb max

[odd siren]

you could never use 64gb properly on a 6 core anyway

try this
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Xfb6yK

can leave out anything they already have

[fading glacier]

damn bro, you beat me hard with that build of yours

[odd siren]

I only just learned UK pricing

[lofty crane]

lol

[odd siren]

5 minutes ago

[vital oriole]

uk pricing is weird

[lofty crane]

okay so if I were to go for 32 max right

[odd siren]

uk is weird in general

[lofty crane]

I should go for 4x8gb?

[fading glacier]

no

2x16

[odd siren]

pato lives near there so he's almost weird

[odd siren]

no, 2x16

[fading glacier]

felix made you a great list

[odd siren]

it runs better

[fading glacier]

use that one as reference

[odd siren]

[fading glacier]

mine could be better, but im kinda lazy today 😎

jk brah

[odd siren]

[hot bough]

The only applications I can know of that uses 64+ gigs of ram are heavy 3D Modelling and rendering apps.

[livid idol]

Editing 8k HDR videos can use a lot too

[fading glacier]

and 16k images

mostly content creators can make full use of that much ram

[odd siren]

or servers

virtual machines

[fading glacier]

well, those are not desktop pcs anymore 😛

[odd siren]

basically anything beyond into a niche but you'll def struggle for that on a 6 core

[fading glacier]

ill put 64 gigs on my 13700 just to load all kind of shaders on mc

change my mind

[livid idol]

We don't know how the memory controller will react to that so it's possible if you use DDR5 that that'll be fine

[odd siren]

the weird flex

oh yeah 64gb on 12th gen is fine

just get 2 sticks

[fading glacier]

13th gen should have a stronger imc tho

[odd siren]

or go stupid levels like formula

[livid idol]

"Should" isn't always the reality

[fading glacier]

[livid idol]

Especially with some 13th gen just being rebranded 12th gen

[odd siren]

it was suggested on intel slides that they upgraded the imc

[fading glacier]

well the rumors say that everything below the 13600 is rebreanded alder lake

[odd siren]

but yeah should is not always a reality

[fading glacier]

13600k isnt... or so they say

[odd siren]

it'll still run faster

it's still 10nm

[fading glacier]

no doubt, still shady advertising

[livid idol]

A little faster, but we're getting to 10nm++++ or something

[odd siren]

I imagine if bclk oc makes a comeback we'd see better scaling

[fading glacier]

btw i was joking on then 64 gigs, ill rather spend that money on another nvme instead 😛

not that i need more space...but, why not?

still 64 gigs on ddr5 should be helluva expensive

[odd siren]

use that moneh to boost wegg

[fading glacier]

i was thinking on that you know

just to wear that pink flair

it will match my eyes

[fading glacier]

you cant handle the swag

[odd siren]

I really can't

[ivory herald]

Indeed. At least 13400 is like a locked 12600K though, while 13500 gets 8 Ecore.

[odd siren]

might be a bit easier

increased cache tho despite being alder lake based will def help in games

[cerulean rover]

Rumors saying a lot more e cores eh

[odd siren]

rumours be rumouring

[wicked hound]

Given the 13600K freq, 13500/13400 would be max of 4.9/4.8 whether they were Raptor or ALD. No IPC gains apart from more cache for Raptor so seems like ALD refresh didnt really change much as I assumed (Very little clock differences due to mid/low end CPUs. Also assuming those rumors are true). 13400 has same cache as 12600k and 13500/13600 have bit more. That said if greed wasnt in the company's heart there would prolly be a lot less clock stagnation and proper use for Raptor in mid end CPUs.

[white bloom]

What parts of a graphics card break first if the wattage is exceeded?

[fading glacier]

none really, it will shutdown

[livid idol]

If you force it to draw more power than it can handle by hard modding it or disabling protections then it'll just blow up, usually on the power delivery and sometimes cascading failures to the core and/or memory. This is very hard to achieve normally, since you have to bypass several layers of protections to get to that point. A stock GPU won't experience this unless it's defective.

[hot bough]

Would OCing a GPU using something like MSI Afterburner risk blowing up a GPU?

[livid idol]

No

You can max out the power limit using the stock vbios all day long, it's designed for that much power

It'll just give a little additional wear over time to the components

[hot bough]

Got it.

Man I wanna try OCing a 4090 so badly.

[livid idol]

Supposedly there will be a toggle between 650W+ power mode for ATX 3.0 PSUs and 400-450W mode for older 2.X units

[hot bough]

Interesting.

Currently waiting for the ATX 3.0 PSUs so that should be fun.

[livid idol]

The first one just went on sale

[hot bough]

What temps would be considered bad on a GPU that's been OCed?

[hot bough]

Really?

[livid idol]

On the core I'd stay under 90

[hot bough]

Got it.

[livid idol]

Yeah it was some silverstone unit I think

[hot bough]

So I should set 90c as my max temps during load.

[hot bough]

Those good?

[odd siren]

Which?

Please be decathlon please be decwthlon please be decathlon

[hot bough]

What would be a decent OC on my current 3070?

Thinking about having some fun with it again.

[odd siren]

I don't remember off the top of my head

[hot bough]

Should I start with:
+500 Core
+250 Mem

[odd siren]

500 core won't run

Try +105 core

[livid idol]

+100 core might even be unstable depending on luck

[hot bough]

Got it.

Did +100 just now.

And what should I try for mem?

[livid idol]

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/power-supplies/HELA850RPlatinum/

[odd siren]

Ah that one

[livid idol]

It's HELA new lol

[odd siren]

Sadge only 850W

[livid idol]

Keep in mind that triple transient load is built into the ATX 3.0 spec so it has to be able to handle PCIe spikes up to 1800W

[odd siren]

Ya but 13900K OC and 4090 OC'd can sustain 1000W+ easily lol

Sadge but ima keep waiting

[livid idol]

True but this is still going to be able to handle a 13900k + 4080 (~400W)

[odd siren]

Indood

But I want 90 Ti

[livid idol]

Or, it should in theory but testing is yet to be done

[odd siren]

I have a performance target for my big 4K screen so

[livid idol]

4k 170Hz TV wen

[hot bough]

144hz the sweet spot. Anything above that is just a cherry on top IMO.

[odd siren]

It's a 4K 144Hz

43 inch

[hot bough]

FV43U correct?

[odd siren]

So yeah, sweet spot I agree lol

Ya

[hot bough]

Decided to get one or two once I am back in China.

[odd siren]

Nice

[hot bough]

Not worth the shipping hassle while I am still here in MX.

[odd siren]

Kekw

4090 on basic screen when

[livid idol]

checks rtings HOLY $# https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85

Why

Just why

[hot bough]

Am I reading that right?

4k 240hz?!

[livid idol]

And 32 inches lmfao

[hot bough]

Don't judge.

[odd siren]

Screw that

[hot bough]

Some of us like that high density.

[odd siren]

Flicker at low fps

[livid idol]

4k32" is too small for me

[odd siren]

At 4k???

4K and low fps flicker is a nail in the coffin imo

Seems like it has early adoption issues

[hot bough]

What do you mean "low fps flicker"?

[livid idol]

It flickers when the fps is low?

[hot bough]

Ahh ok.

I mean, pair it with a 3090 or 4090 and it shouldn't be a problem.

[odd siren]

No with a 3090 it will be a problem

[livid idol]

With upscaling tech it'll be fine

[odd siren]

It doesn't sound like fun with cyberpunk

Halo infinite be a flickery mess

[hot bough]

Funny you bring that up.

[livid idol]

Fun doesn't sound like cyberbug

[hot bough]

netflix released a new show called Cyberpunk Edge Runners.

Great show.

[odd siren]

4090 Ti won't saturate a 4K 240Hz anyway

[hot bough]

Ahh true....

I play Halo Infinite so I know what you mean.

Lower end systems struggle at high settings.

[odd siren]

Infinite is fun ngl

[hot bough]

Agreed.

[odd siren]

First halo I enjoyed from 343

Feels more in line with bungie's gameplay

[hot bough]

Especially if you pay attention to the special jumps or special areas for those epic slides.

[odd siren]

Oh yeah

[hot bough]

Really gotta be skilled and time those.

[odd siren]

I need to finish the campaign

I was doing legendary runs iirc, can't remember if laso yet or not

[hot bough]

Mind if I add you as a friend on Discord and we play Infinite sometime?

[odd siren]

Well, slaso but still

Ah, I rarely get time to play man

Appreciate it tho

[hot bough]

Alright.

[odd siren]

I think I was on the final island area in campaign

Iirc

[solemn panther]

4 days

[fading glacier]