now imagine on pl3
#graphics-cards
fading glacier
odd siren
Maybe 12100f, then 13600K with good ddr4 like ballistonks or 2nd hand bee ded
vital oriole
12100f as stopgap solution seems better for this current time
vital oriole
ye
fading glacier
no other choice ofc
vital oriole
there's b die finder
fading glacier
need to find a kit
odd siren
HP oem
keen nacelle
why 12700k on the b660
fading glacier
those were early modifications
😛
in the end i will probably take sips route
12100f and a z690 as a stop gap for rpl
need to study those later, effin friday T_T still need to go to work T_T
sturdy storm
Hi, need help.
Dunno what the hell happened, but my GPU (GTX 680 2G) randomly stopped working after a blank screen appeared with the cursor above and the screen flashing green just before it went off.
brisk flame
have you tried turning the pc back on?
sturdy storm
It was just entirely blank that time
brisk flame
what cpu u got
sturdy storm
Only working thing is the integrated one, which required me to take the gpu out to work.
I have an i5-10409
400*
sturdy storm
Ye
brisk flame
def sounds like a dead card to me
brisk flame
do you have a different system you could test it in?
brisk flame
do you have a different pcie slot you could test it in?
brisk flame
damn
sturdy storm
i dunno what happened
sturdy storm
which cable is which
brisk flame
the pcie power one that sticks out of the end of the card
6 pin i assume
or a dual 6 pin
sturdy storm
both are six
brisk flame
leave em out
brisk flame
power up the pc with the display cable in the gpu
see if the vbios complains, or maybe it wont even get that far if the cards toast
sturdy storm
rhe card is black when the power isnt plugged in from ym experience
9nly works with both parts
sturdy storm
plop it in nothing plugged?
sturdy storm
ye
alr
it is recognised, tv flashes but that's ut
and i can't understand that single beep thats happened since i got the pc stock, no gpu in it
but yeah
fans on the card recognised
thats all
obv no screen because the pc is weird eith two gpus lmao
brisk flame
would you say the behavior is identical to when the pcie power cables are plugged into the gpu
sturdy storm
you mind hoppin in a call to make it quicker lol
brisk flame
or does it seem to differ slightly
sturdy storm
idk
brisk flame
ion feel like call atm
sturdy storm
lol alr
brisk flame
but it really seems like your card is dead
dreamy dragonBOT
Meolsei#4905 has been warned
brisk flame
lol
brisk flame
theres not much you would be able to do to fix it, even if we knew what the problem was
sturdy storm
no output with no power cable but wjile it is connected to the mb with the cable in
that happened regardless
brisk flame
good to know
sturdy storm
ima try again with it all in again
brisk flame
you could probably resell it on fb marketplace or ebay as a dead card for like
20 dollars
but thats about it
sturdy storm
OH THANKS FOR THE GEARY ATTACK LMAO
yeah it wanted to be my little brother for a second it seems
because it suddenly is fine like nun happens wtf
brisk flame
um
sturdy storm
it acts up for no reason
brisk flame
OH
sturdy storm
but gets back to being fine
brisk flame
geez ok ok
sturdy storm
i hate this thing lmaooo
oh no
stop it ool
god i had a heart attack with that gpu
i mean hold on
sassy
is it possible that it couldve just crashed or something? idk mych here
brisk flame
usually when you plug and unplug things alot they come back to life
static buildup from dust
sturdy storm
i only needed one
brisk flame
maybe just a bad connection from dirty contacts
sturdy storm
okay uhh mightve been that then idk
lol
okay this pc has been so janky because were all too broke to afford a good pc
10 year old gpu
10th gen i5
a psu that slightly hangs bc the case didnt fit
all in a prebuilt
the psu only hangs because i had to get the case bent very slightly to fit it
i hate that
brisk flame
lol
sturdy storm
its bound to fall anytime
brisk flame
everywhere
20 dollars will get you a normal functional case
even if you have to offer people 20
when they have it listed for 30-50
what my phone case
my dremel case?
what brain
sturdy storm
my case is cursed
brisk flame
ive had my fair share of cursed cases
sturdy storm
brisk flame
tt smart 🤢
sturdy storm
we went at it
me and my parents are kinda struggling with cash so we just had to find whatever worked
brisk flame
if you can just find a way to zip tie the bundle of cables as they exit the psu, its would be secure
sturdy storm
I had a hard drive laying on that gpu before it died for obvious reasons (it was like 10 years old coming from a toshiba satellite)
brisk flame
assuming you dont care to put the side panel back on
just always poke around fb marketplace, you can always get some pretty cheap stuff there
as long as you know what to look for
sturdy storm
I give up with that side case because of the GPU 😭
drifting sequoia
finally in my hands
cinder dew
6500 XT or 6600 what do i get
cinder dew
how mush better
fading glacier
a lot more
keen nacelle
6500 XT or 6600 what do i get
Its the difference between a 1650 super and a 2060super
cinder dew
that is 10,000 more
fading glacier
you could youtube a comparison 6500 vs 6600
keen nacelle
It's far better
fading glacier
and you will see it for yourself
cinder dew
Its the difference between a 1650 super and a 2060super
....
keen nacelle
6500xt is very entry level, in a year it might struggle to hit 60fps 1080p low settings
fading glacier
youtube it, see it for yourslef
cinder dew
ok i get it
rugged thunder
The 6600 in my experience was very good
cinder dew
tysm
cerulean rover
fading glacier
6500 is not a wise save of money
cinder dew
😮
heady turtle
@cinder dew if you want a cheaper option look for rx 6600 non xt
cinder dew
i get 6600
heady turtle
Way closer to the xt
cinder dew
<@761503871700172820> if you want a cheaper option look for rx 6600 non xt
i am looking at a non XT
rugged thunder
He said 6500xt
cinder dew
i said 6500 XT or 6600
rugged thunder
Forgot that existed till now tbh
heady turtle
Oh I'm blind
cinder dew
np
keen nacelle
Or could check used prices on 1660 super/ti, 1070, 1070 ti, 1080, 2060, 2060 super, 5600xt
keen nacelle
Yes
rugged thunder
What great naming AMD has
rugged thunder
Going from my 6700xt to a 5600xt because it's funny
cinder dew
u know where i can cut price
fading glacier
try to get a cheaper case, idk
the cpu and your mobo are at the edge, maybe trying to go into used market for a gpu
maybe
the wifi need to go anyway if you want to cut corners
cinder dew
i cant get a used one
cinder dew
the wifi need to go anyway if you want to cut corners
that i will
fading glacier
yeah your other option is to go into a lower tier for a gpu
keen nacelle
Might have to be gpu
fading glacier
yeah take this chart as a guide to fish a lower gpu instead
courtesy or mr1111
i wouldnt advise a 6500... but is your budget
fading glacier
i mean, use the chart as a guide and try to find something to save some coin while not hurting that much your performance
thats a chart for performance
not for price
cinder dew
ok so i got it
fading glacier
at least your 610 mobo is pcie 4
cinder dew
for the cpu it is 10,000 and for mb it is 7,000 and
gpu it is 28,000
and for the psu it is 5,000
ssd 4000
case 5000
?
all added 59,000
fading glacier
and the memory?
fading glacier
personally, i will try to save more for those parts (or even better ones) instead of lowering my gpu power
but thats me
cinder dew
$100 = ₹7000
cinder dew
personally, i will try to save more for those parts (or even better ones) instea...
yea
fading glacier
sadly building a capable gaming pc is not cheap, let alone a powerful one
fading glacier
any less could mean: a. lower tier gpu or b. used market
fading glacier
then get a cheaper gpu, you already saw the performance chart, so you will know beforehand your performance hit
cinder dew
ok but what psu do i get
fading glacier
that depends in your gpu choice, lower tier gpus consume less power most of the time and it will save more on psu as well
cinder dew
RX 6600
fading glacier
550 more than enough
cinder dew
did u add more or no
fading glacier
add to what?
cinder dew
Watt
fading glacier
a 550w psu unit is more than enough for your build based on a 6600 gpu
fading glacier
a 12100+6600 will barely scratch the 300w usage
and any psu lower than 550w will be of bad quality anyway
fading glacier
exactly
sonic mural
tier B unit, yeah its ok
low pri c but yeah
fading glacier
really?
sonic mural
yeah
cinder dew
how is this tier B
cinder dew
it is only like 4,000
fading glacier
its an mwe v2, maybe you are looking at the v1
cinder dew
it is a v2
sonic mural
its an mwe v2, maybe you are looking at the v1
nah im looking at the v2 bronze non mod
cinder dew
it is 3,949
sonic mural
the b tier one is fully volt input, the one hes on is ~220v only
cinder dew
so is it good or goODDD
sonic mural
not great
cinder dew
the b tier one is fully volt input, the one hes on is ~220v only
it is 230v
sonic mural
yes ik
fading glacier
you have 110 or 220 on your outlets?
cinder dew
me?
sonic mural
its 220 in india
fading glacier
didnt know that
sonic mural
us usa people are just weird
fading glacier
cant argue agaisnt that
cinder dew
and i was thinking i was weird bc i dont know what u are telling
sonic mural
nah youre just normal, its us usa people who are just weird
cinder dew
yea what is 220?
sonic mural
the voltage the power supply needs
sonic mural
@fading glacier is there no more india pcpartpicker?
fading glacier
cant find it as well
fading glacier
risen was helping him last time, maybe pato could give us a hand
risen was well ahead into India prices
sonic mural
yeah risen is in india, he probs knows what stores and units are best value there
@magic wing hello
magic wing
Hm?
sonic mural
looking for good value 550w in india
magic wing
https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B08H5QR9FL/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ARTB0UJSI...
theres a deepcool psu that im partial to for cheap builds
sonic mural
india pcpartpicker vanished so i thought youd know about
cinder dew
theres a deepcool psu that im partial to for cheap builds
what is the watt
magic wing
what is the watt
whats ur budget for the psu?
sonic mural
def sn550 over p2
take it from me, i have the best variant of p2 and its pure garbage
cinder dew
this https://www.amazon.in/Deepcool-PK550D-Bronze-Certified-Supply/dp/B09TSRJ85N/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1Z5OUJ02WFJFO&keywords=deepcool%2Bpsu&qid=1661624587&s=computers&sprefix=deep%2Ccomputers%2C302&sr=1-2&th=1 or https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B08H5QR9FL/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ARTB0UJSIZQT0&th=1
what is better
@magic wing
sonic mural
thats the best there is?
sonic mural
its a low pri c
magic wing
its a low pri c
looks to be b
cinder dew
its a low pri c
yea
sonic mural
looks to be b
the b is a diff one
the b is the 110-220v one
full input
this one is low pri c, its a 220v only one
magic wing
ah
sonic mural
very sad
sonic mural
it is a 6600 so its nothing crazy
magic wing
good psus are hard to come by here
sonic mural
could be the best at the price
hard to know with amazon search lol
cinder dew
good psus are hard to come by here
is any ssd / M.2 1tb for 5000
this is the last part
cinder dew
https://www.amazon.in/Samsung-500GB-Internal-Solid-MZ-V8V500/dp/B08THW4S3T/ref=s...
is this the best
cerulean rover
is any ssd / M.2 1tb for 5000
cinder dew
i will see if i can get it ty
random zinc
yo guys i saw someone is selling a 1070 for 120$ should i get it?
livid idol
That's a decent deal
hot bough
Are the 10 series GPUs still worth using?
Just curious, thought that by now they wouldn't be able to keep up with modern titles.
fading glacier
depends on the price
1070s and 1080s are still good for modern aaa titles
but you need to find some good prices on the used market
hot bough
What would you say the average gaming pc on a budget uses? I want to make a testing pc later to test my game server so to get a assesment of how it'll perform on standard PCs, I am thinking of making a test setup.
fading glacier
a budget pc, new a 6600
hot bough
I5-12600F + GTX 1660?
fading glacier
used, something from 1660 and up
yeah it could go very well on a budget pc
could lower to a 12400 or 12100 if you will be only using for "budget gaming"
hot bough
I won't be using it for anything except for testing what the average user will experience in my game server performance wise.
fading glacier
12600 not worth anyway, you either go 12400 or 12600k
hot bough
My main rig is a I9 with a 3070 soon to be 4090.
hot bough
12600 not worth anyway, you either go 12400 or 12600k
Ahh kk.
Something interesting I learned recently is that apparently if someone does content creation surprisingly getting the non F variant helps a fair bit since it has some better encoders.
livid idol
Quick sync, yeah
hot bough
Gonna quickly make another test rig big, could I get your opinions on it once finished?
fading glacier
in fact is for the intel quick sync, some apps let you use the gpu+igpu for enconding/decoding
additional power always good
oh falcie was faster 😛
fading glacier
Gonna quickly make another test rig big, could I get your opinions on it once fi...
sure, feel free to share
hot bough
I like this community, you guys are all so friendly. (Much nicer then the people in that BuildAPC community....)
hot bough
sure, feel free to share
Thanks!
wicked hound
BAPC is a wild ride from the things I've heard from others lol.
livid idol
I like this community, you guys are all so friendly. (Much nicer then the peopl...
We get that a lot actually. Heard horror stories and general bad attitude things from them.
fading glacier
yeah we lurk around here a lot to help anyone needing a hand... friendly lurkers anyway... we learn a lot as well in return
hot bough
I won't bad talk BAPC to much as there are some nice people, but I must say the some of the moderators are not fit to be mods as they don't even follow their own rules.
Anyways, let's get off this subject.
wicked hound
Something interesting I learned recently is that apparently if someone does cont...
I'd look into info for whatever things you're using to see if it uses Quicksync. If not then iGPU may not be needed as much (as in, its basically only useful for debugging proposes when dGPU is being whack).
livid idol
Mx330-g air
wicked hound
Most of Deepcool isn't ideal price in the US
livid idol
If you're looking closer to $100 budget you've got bigger options like 4000D airflow and p400a digital
hot bough
I am trying to build a rig that resembles the average budget gaming pc as this system is for testing how my average player will perform on my game server.
wicked hound
Are you testing the game or the server?
hot bough
Are you testing the game or the server?
How the game performs and how they perform when on the server as that takes some strain off the PC.'
I run a modded MC network and I make custom mods.
The mods can take up a decent bit of performance but since my current rig far surpasses the average player's rig it's hard to test how my user's experience will be.
What's a good budget 240mm AIO?
Arctic?
sonic mural
Clc sometimes is on a great sale
wicked hound
Do you know the say top ten most used PC specs for your playerbase?
hot bough
Do you know the say top ten most used PC specs for your playerbase?
Unfortunately not, as we don't have a way to track it, and it varies a lot.
Plus, quite often the player's don't know what their own specs are.
wicked hound
Unless you got other usecases for this PC I'd recommend downclocking your CPU/RAM, disabling cores, etc
livid idol
Going by the steam surveys is a good bet still for what percentage of users are using what
hot bough
Unless you got other usecases for this PC I'd recommend downclocking your CPU/RA...
Probably gonna use it for some monitoring and the such.
wicked hound
Go with whatever other system to what you have rn so you have both AMD and Intel systems if you do plan on getting this PC for testing
hot bough
Go with whatever other system to what you have rn so you have both AMD and Intel...
Wouldn't the low end AMD and Intel system perform extremely similar?
Haven't been keeping up much with AMD as I use to.
livid idol
There's no current "low end" AMD CPU, they're using last gen stuff as the low end
hot bough
What's the performance difference between 1060 and a GTX 1660?
hot bough
There's no current "low end" AMD CPU, they're using last gen stuff as the low en...
Interesting.
livid idol
What's the performance difference between 1060 and a GTX 1660?
The 1660 is closer to the 1070 than the 1060 6gb. 1660 super is very close to a 1070.
hot bough
Ahh okay, also just looked at Steam's survey again and it seems most people have either a 1060 or a 1650.
% wise is almost exactly the same.
and apparently the most common Vram is 8gb.
livid idol
It would be pretty safe to get a 1650 super probably. It'll still be good in Minecraft.
hot bough
It would be pretty safe to get a 1650 super probably. It'll still be good in Min...
I've never checked the spec difference, what's the difference between like a 1650 and a 1660?
If it's small I might get the 1660 so I can at least add another flagship GPU to my collection.
livid idol
1650 super is almost as good as the 1060 6gb
hot bough
I've never used 10 series GPU so I don't understand how that translates performance wise....
difference between Super and TI?
fading glacier
you can use the chart on the pinned section in this channel
is a rough comparison of gpus
hot bough
you can use the chart on the pinned section in this channel
Thanks.
fading glacier
pretty useful for some performance to performance comparisons
sadly my gpu is not there 😦 i hate that chart
hot bough
So now I am left with this million dollar question.
fading glacier
if not 6600 is superior
hot bough
Do I continue building my 30 series GPU collection, or do I get the flagship gpu of the GTX series.
fading glacier
if you are a collector then the worthiness of an item is up to you and you alone 😮
cerulean rover
(it was never a flagship GPU)
hot bough
Wasn't the 1660 Super/TI the best performer of the GTX series?
cerulean rover
1080ti
hot bough
Really?....
fading glacier
even for today standards, the 1080ti is still a beast
cerulean rover
16xx was the budget 20xx lineup
hot bough
Now that's confusing.
livid idol
1080 ti falls between the 3060 and 3060 ti iirc
hot bough
Mhmmm, damn well this is annoying. I want to build up my flagship GPU collection but doing so would void the point of getting a GPU that performs the way I wish it to aka a budget GPU.
wicked hound
Wouldn't the low end AMD and Intel system perform extremely similar?
In MC, AMD can be a 💩 show sometimes. It was one of the games that was easy to get an internal bottleneck for me when modded (meaning not bottlenecked by pure CPU/GPU [shaders]). Usually with Zen2 and older. Tho as I said before, take a higher end CPU/GPU and simulate worse hardware with underclocks and disabling cores (CPU only).
fading glacier
no budget pc will field a flagship gpu anyway 😛
hot bough
no budget pc will field a flagship gpu anyway 😛
I know....
wicked hound
1080 ti falls between the 3060 and 3060 ti iirc
Yee that be correct. Only 500w 1080Ti is near equal to 3060Ti raster perf.
hot bough
In MC, AMD can be a 💩 show sometimes. It was one of the games that was easy to ...
Yeah I think I might go that route.
By the way, is it just me or does it seem ludicrous that people still want to charge 700 US for a 2080 ti still?
livid idol
Yeah they're deluded
wicked hound
Still $750 3080 12gb deals rn right?
hot bough
Still $750 3080 12gb deals rn right?
I had found a Asus Strix RTX 3080 ti for 780 US at the time I was looking at the 20 series out of curiosity.
The 3080 ti sold out though, but you can still buy their 3080 variant for the same price.
fading glacier
where?
fading glacier
dman, that was a hell of a deal
hot bough
Was available for about a week.
I thought about buying it but I'd rather get the 4090 when that comes out and buy the 3090 ti once those drop to $1,000-1,200.
livid idol
I've seen 3090 ti for $1050
hot bough
I've seen 3090 ti for $1050
I know though at the moment I am saving up for my 12th or 13th gen upgrade.
Also note, I am currently in Mexico so I can't get those same deals no more,.....
😢
fading glacier
hopefully if nvidia announce the 40 lineup on september then we will see the prices crashing all over the place
hot bough
hopefully if nvidia announce the 40 lineup on september then we will see the pri...
yea.
Would be sweet to have a 3090 ti and 4090 in my collection.
And I bet my brother would love using the 3090 ti assuming I am kind enough to let him use it.
livid idol
Also note, I am currently in Mexico so I can't get those same deals no more,.......
If you've got a passport you can get a PO box in Texas or Cali and hop the border to smuggle GPUs into Mexico 
hot bough
If you've got a passport you can get a PO box in Texas or Cali and hop the borde...
LMFAO.
yea, not today.
Would cost to much.
fading glacier
or pay a courier 😛
hot bough
That's a 2,000 mile drive from where I am each way.
fading glacier
i do that all the time
hot bough
Honestly considering that idea.
livid idol
True they do have services that do that
fading glacier
last build costed me 1200 usd in newegg parts and i paid like 100 in shipping
hot bough
My end goal is to have 1x Flagship GPU of every generation starting with GTX.
I'd maybe consider doing a radeon flagship collection later on.
fading glacier
here on my country 10th gen is the top of the line
hot bough
last build costed me 1200 usd in newegg parts and i paid like 100 in shipping
😢 I am about to pay nearly $500 in shipping for all my parts to be delivered to Mexico.
fading glacier
yeah, funny as hell
hot bough
Store, I am gonna have to ask you to drop those prices.
hot bough
For some reason all the big as all hell and flashy computer cases I want cost 2x more if I want it to be delivered to Mexico + shipping so I am curious.
fading glacier
Ecuadorian prices
hot bough
How hard would it be to make my own PC case?
fading glacier
like wth man, for real?
livid idol
Use the box the motherboard comes in, free case
fading glacier
thats why i prefer shopping on egg and ship everything to my courier on miami
hot bough
like wth man, for real?
For example the haf 700 Evo went from $450 to 820 + 150 for shipping.
fading glacier
6usd per pound
hot bough
I was like what the actual f.
fading glacier
holy eff
hot bough
And it's not just that case.
Almost every Full Tower or Super Tower I look at is experiencing this.
The most rediculous one was this.
The Thermaltake AH T600 should cost $299 + 30 for shipping but to send it to Mexico they wanted $467 + 1300 for shipping.
livid idol
I'm serious about using the motherboard box
fading glacier
yeah using the mobo box is a great idea
livid idol
Cardboard is non conductive
fading glacier
you just need to cut the slot for the gpu and the cooler
hot bough
What about wood?
fading glacier
nice too
livid idol
That's good yeah
fading glacier
livid idol
Just not glass or plastic
hot bough
brb.
fading glacier
want to check more local prices? seems like the gpu winter is on full swing on Ecuador
hahahaha
almost every store around here field those prices
even the used market is a no go here
odd siren
fading glacier
the funny part is the out-of-stock label
they have actual customers that pay those prices e_e
hot bough
HELL YEA.
Fisherman just came in and they got a lot of fresh fish, so I went down and bought a 8 kilo Mako.
I got some good eating to look forward to.
livid idol
Hoo boy that's a big fish
vital oriole
#graphics-fish
verbal mesa
Anyone have any speculation about how much a 3080 will drop to?
Like by the end of the year?
vital oriole
i can see them dropping to 600, maybe
fading glacier
80tis droppin below 600 will be very tempting indeed
normal hawk
I wanna 500$ 6900xt
opal iron
I hope thats not usd
fading glacier
guess what? it is
opal iron
fading glacier
Ecuador use regular dollar for day to day things
opal iron
Oh god thats worse than at the height of the gpu shortage
fading glacier
and yet some people still buy it at those prices
opal iron
6700xt for 1400 🤮
fading glacier
yeah sadly, customs is as troublesome as those prices are
unless you have some friends here and there... and... im talked too much
👀
grim galleon
What website can I compare GPUs in?
fading glacier
you can check yours or any other card by looking at its score here
for a rough comparison between different cards you can use the chart in the pinned messages in this channel
fading glacier
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
you can click on any card here and hit "compare" to generate a comparative table
grim galleon
Tysm
lyric willow
hey team.... how are we feeling about GPU prices now?
i saw a wired article today about how "now is the time to buy GPUs"
fading glacier
that depends on you, how old is your card and if you are comfortable with the performance of your current gpu
hot bough
Hmmmm, current prices can be found at MSRP or below which is fair but if you wait for once the 40 series is officially out, 30 series GPUs should see a noticeable drop in prices again.
fading glacier
well, im not entirely sure of that
everything can happen, no one here have a cristal mirror to predict that
hot bough
That's my speculation at least.
fading glacier
yeah, we can only speculate for now
maybe those prices will crash with the 40 series launch, maybe 40 series will experiment some level of unavailability and the prices of 30 series will skyrocket again... we dont really know
one thing is certain: prices will keep falling until the announcement of the new gens, after that we dont know
hot bough
Fingers croosed that it isn't the ladder.
fading glacier
hope so
imagine a weird scenario where the new gpus will be profitable on other mineable coins just like eth was.... terrifying
less power draw, more mining power
its unlikely, but... who knows
hot bough
I mean, although it's bad for gamers but would be good for miners.
fading glacier
either way it will make cards scarce as before
lyric willow
that depends on you, how old is your card and if you are comfortable with the pe...
im definitely weighing options but i might have a spare RX 480 sitting around here
i have an R9 290 that I suspect is starting to fall out of fervor with me... sometimes i get screen tearing
hot bough
I haven't started mining yet but probably will once I get the 4090 because I'd like to have some more money in my wallet.
fading glacier
thing is, as i said before, if your card isnt that old and you are comfortable with your actual gpu, wait for better prices or for the newer gens
if not, well, most cards are cheaper now, especially amd ones
when the newer gens will be announced probably a lot of people will flood the markets with their used cards and that will drive the prices down a lot
hot bough
when the newer gens will be announced probably a lot of people will flood the ma...
Hopefully should.
fading glacier
same thing will happen in 2 weeks with the merge
hot bough
Oh yeah.
fading glacier
most likely
hot bough
Mhmm, imagine 36GB of Vram.
fading glacier
3090ti was a strange card anyway
hot bough
How much more power that gives you.
fading glacier
vram dont give you gpu power
hot bough
Yes yes yes.
I know, I meant more in like other cases where you need extra Vram.
It won't affect performance so long as you have enough of it.
fading glacier
on games vram is a wasted resource past 12-14gbs
no games can use that much ram
designers on the other hand can enjoy the extra vram
hot bough
I was just imagining what modded MC at 8k and maxed out shaders would be like, that and for creator applications like 3D modeling which I do a bit of but definitely wanna start doing more.
fading glacier
still 24gbs of ram is plentiful now, in any case a 4090ti should sport something like 48gbs not 36 😛
hot bough
Lmao, that'd be even better but I feel like the Vrams are gonna have bad temp issues at that amount.
fading glacier
dont think so, micron is working hard on gddr6x to make more cramped modules, 3090ti use 12 modules 2gb each
future modules can field 4gbs per module or even 8
hot bough
By the way, is it just me or did the 4090 FE have a really odd way of relieving heat?
ivory herald
I wouldn't mind if the 70 ti and/or 3080 had normal gddr6. The 6x jacked up the TDP of 70 ti quite a bit. 4070 will be similar, supposedly only 8-10% better efficiency for the "70 tier" since it's 285w or so. (while 4080 is supposedly a nice 20% or so efficiency boost VS a 3080)
fading glacier
By the way, is it just me or did the 4090 FE have a really odd way of relieving ...
there is no 4090fe yet
so we dont know about their cooling capabilities
yet
hot bough
It's not officially out.
fading glacier
nor any screenshot
hot bough
Though I remember some site showing off it having a odd way of cooling.
hot bough
Could be.
fading glacier
could be everything but the actual fe cooler
hot bough
What was odd was that the fans were blowing in two directions.
Each side of the GPU had 1 fan.
fading glacier
that style is used on the fe models from the 80 and up
hot bough
Also not they were on the opposite side of the GPU.
fading glacier
its a blower style cooling
hot bough
Ahh okay.
I've never owned a FE model so that's new to me.
I've only had EVGA and seen Gigabyte and Asus cards in person.
fading glacier
air enter on one side and travel along a wind tunnel insde to the other end
where other fan blow the hot air out
fading glacier
yeah ik
hot bough
Ahh okay.
fading glacier
the other side have a fan on the other end
hot bough
Got it.
fading glacier
its a wind tunnel inside
hot bough
What's more effective, blower or non blower GPUs?
fading glacier
that depends on the manufacturer way of handlings their cooling systems
grim galleon
Is the Rx 6700 tx better than the 3060 ti?
fading glacier
fe models usually rest in the middle
hot bough
Say for example FE cards vs FTW3 cards.
fading glacier
there are some aib models worse than the fe models and some high end cooling solutions that beats the fe model
ftw3 cards are one of the middle to best cooling
ventus 2x are one of the worst as an example
x trios and suprims are very good as well
and the strix coolers are the best, at least on my humble opinion
not sure how good are the coolers on the gigabyte cards
lyric willow
I haven't started mining yet but probably will once I get the 4090 because I'd l...
are you talking about crypto mining? probably not worth the squeeze anymore, but depends on where you're at
grim galleon
I've heard gigabyte has bad cooling
lyric willow
if you're outside the US definitely not
fading glacier
Is the Rx 6700 tx better than the 3060 ti?
a bit better, yes
check the pins in the channel and youll see the chart
🥳
hot bough
So FTW3, Strix, X Trios, and XC3 Ultra cards offer the best cooling?
hot bough
By the way, would it even be worth getting the other branded GPUs if I plan to do CLC on the 4090?
grim galleon
Wish I could understand what you guys r saying
fading glacier
yeah, for 3080s and up xc3 is a no no
grim galleon
Y'all talking about fans?
grim galleon
Water cooling?
fading glacier
no, the fans+heatsink on the cards
hot bough
Odd, I have a XC3 Ultra and it keeps my RTX 3070 OC at around 40-50c under full loaded.
grim galleon
Ah
fading glacier
yeah on 3070s are ok
not great, not terrible
3070s and below are not power hungry cards
hot bough
My 3070 when oced to between 2000-2100 MHZ boost clock maxes out at about 50c during full load.
That good?
fading glacier
thats pretty impressive
hot bough
I can't remember the OC I did on the memory but I think it was +300mhz.
magic wing
Odd, I have a XC3 Ultra and it keeps my RTX 3070 OC at around 40-50c under full ...
heavily heavily doubt that this is true
unless you have the waterblocked xc3
hot bough
I haven't touched my GPU OC in like a full year.
hot bough
If it makes a difference a big difference which I think it does, my ambient room temps are usually 16c.
hot bough
Oc as over clocked?
OC = Overclocked.
grim galleon
Ah
hot bough
When I had the best performance, which was during the winter in Lake Tahoe temperatures were between 1-4c.
magic wing
If it makes a difference a big difference which I think it does, my ambient room...
it makes a difference but i still do doubt that its just 50c
hot bough
it makes a difference but i still do doubt that its just 50c
50-56c.
Haven't seen it go up to 60c.
grim galleon
When I had the best performance, which was during the winter in Lake Tahoe tempe...
-25 winters where I live
fading glacier
i have my doubts too, but i wont judge
hot bough
-25 winters where I live
Damn.
grim galleon
Yuh
hot bough
The most I can tolerate in shorts was -8c.
magic wing
my 6750xt runs at 110 hotspot
grim galleon
my old 3060ti was like 70c at 2000mhz
That's not even that bad
magic wing
hot bough
50 was on idle
That seems really bad....
hot bough
My idle temps are around 30-36c.
My GPU is currently hovering at 36c.
Does this mean I got lucky in the Silicone lottery on my RTX 3070?
fading glacier
at least on my environment, we have like 25-26c on the day and like 22 at night
hot bough
at least on my environment, we have like 25-26c on the day and like 22 at night
Ahh okay.
grim galleon
Oh god how do you not burn to death
fading glacier
and thats the cold season
hot bough
Oh god how do you not burn to death
mate, visit ShangHai.
grim galleon
Lmaoo
hot bough
The summers there are like a death sentence.
fading glacier
kinda
grim galleon
I've seen every weather, from -25 to 45
hot bough
37-41c during the day in the Summer.
fading glacier
now imagine that with suit and tie... yup thats my day
grim galleon
I've been to Africa and russia
grim galleon
now imagine that with suit and tie... yup thats my day
Daym
grim galleon
37-41c during the day in the Summer.
That's scary lmaoo
hot bough
now imagine that with suit and tie... yup thats my day
I can barely tolerate pants and a long sleeve at 4c, that's gonna kill me.
hot bough
I run extremely hot, so I hate any room temperature above 18c.
My prefered ambient room temps are 10-14 if possible.
hot bough
Okay, cold man.
hot bough
Mhmm.
Lmao, your answer reminds me of my pre-macho days where people used to mistake me for a girl a couple times a month.
grim galleon
Daym
grim galleon
It's a black screen
hot bough
https://tenor.com/view/astolfo-happy-gif-22218025
Astolfo.
magic wing
Who tf is astolfo
im guessing some anime stuffs
hot bough
hot bough
https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gif-22169650
Luffy.
hot bough
I've decided for the sake of future proofing since 40 series is now out and 50 will be out in like a year or slightly more I will get a RTX 3050 for my testing rig.
Are Zotac cards bad?
I've never used one.
hot bough
So it really comes down to aesthetics are that point?
fading glacier
those cards are not power hungry so most of the cooling solutions on them are good
yeah
hot bough
Also, are Zotac cards bad?
fading glacier
no, they are good
hot bough
I mean say if I wanted to buy a Zotac 3090.
fading glacier
well
cant tell really on high end cards
above 3080 the cooling is a real challenge, so i cant vouch for the zotac one, dont know about that one in particular
hot bough
Got it.
hot bough
By the way, does getting a non FE card really make a difference?
And would it even be worth it if I choose to do CLC later on with it.
fading glacier
most aib cards are ocd from the factory and most of them have better vrms and power limits for oc
fe are like "collectors item" aibs are most of the time better
most, but not all the time, always make some research before you buy
hot bough
Would it be worth it to wait for say Strix or FTW3 cards to come out even if I choose to do CLC?
Or do the other brand like actually have better hardware?
fading glacier
And would it even be worth it if I choose to do CLC later on with it.
there are frames for almost every high end cards, including the founder edition ones
if you are into clc for overclocking the hell out of the card just go straight to strix
hot bough
Got it.
Do the Strix usually come out at the same time or soon after the FE cards release?
hot bough
Got it.
fading glacier
maybe they go at the same time, maybe a month later
hot bough
What does AIB exactly stand for?
fading glacier
"add in board"
the long term is aib partners
because they add the board for the chip
odd siren
I mean say if I wanted to buy a Zotac 3090.
It's meh. Not really heard anything bad apart from that one time they forgot to put pads on (I think this happened with gigglebyte too)
fading glacier
the chip is either an amd or nvidia
hot bough
maybe they go at the same time, maybe a month later
Oh should be fine then. Not gonna have the $ saved up for the 4090 till say about 2 months after release.
odd siren
Unless you get a HOF tho
fading glacier
felix saving the day
odd siren
HOF stonks
fading glacier
how ya doin pal 🙂
odd siren
But trinity meh
magic wing
hof best white gpu
hot bough
It's meh. Not really heard anything bad apart from that one time they forgot to ...
Ahh okay.
odd siren
I'm good
magic wing
hof>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>strix white
odd siren
I found out my ILM was so bad over my 12900KF I'm gonna make a meme of it later
It's like, textbook bad
magic wing
I found out my ILM was so bad over my 12900KF I'm gonna make a meme of it later
I mean ill take it off ur hands if its really that bad
fading glacier
just get one of the walmart's ones
magic wing
fading glacier
odd siren
I mean ill take it off ur hands if its really that bad
Sure I'll send you my ILM
Basically trash once the Thermalright one goes on
fading glacier
man the video from gn today, total laugh
derbauer face on the thermal frizzly one
hahaha
odd siren
Ya
fading glacier
2 in fact
odd siren
$8
odd siren
It's comparable to the TG and TR ones
fading glacier
anyone can take a piece of metal and a hammer these days and they will perform better than the stock ilm
just saying
odd siren
anyone can take a piece of metal and a hammer these days and they will perform b...
You're gonna really think that when you see my stock ILM 
fading glacier
hahahaha i bet
hopefull rpl will have a better ilm
or ill ship one of the custom ones as well
odd siren
If they added two divots top and bottom it would be 130% better
Instead of just left and right
hot bough
This look good for a test rig? It's purpose is to emulate the performance of the average budget gamer's pc.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/brcxVw
sonic mural
Pretty unbalanced for most aaa games
fading glacier
an "average" should have a 12400 at most
sonic mural
Would step down to 12400f and get a better gpu
hot bough
Pretty unbalanced for most aaa games
Not meant for that.
odd siren
Can make it cheaper
odd siren
RAM, board(/z690), psu change, ssd
Gpu ofc but budget gamin
At that point tho go used 2060
hot bough
yeah 12400f and a 6600
Hmmm, sorry but I am a Nvidia guy.
fading glacier
yup
nvidia is only worth if you are into encoding/decoding which... not the point of that pc
for pure gaming, 6600 is the budget gamer aproach
sonic mural
nvidia is only worth if you are into encoding/decoding which... not the point of...
But now we got amf
odd siren
Yeah amf now
sonic mural
So now it's down to like if you really needed cuda for rendering or somethin
fading glacier
for now...
odd siren
Literally no reason to go with a low end 30 series over cheaper amd in gaming*
Even rtx voice has a comparable product
fading glacier
yeah on pure raster to raster performance the 6600 is better and cheaper
hot bough
nvidia is only worth if you are into encoding/decoding which... not the point of...
True though I'd rather get a different Nvidia GPU. Currently working on my Nvidia collection, will do Radeon gpus later in the future.
fading glacier
then get a 3060
plain and simple 3060
3050 is more like a 1660, the renegade and forsaken kid of ampere
hot bough
Hmmm, I feel like it's make it to powerful for my use purpose if I do that then.
fading glacier
hmmm fair point
sonic mural
And if you aren't doing a lot of multitasking or CPU heavy workloads, 12400f would be an easy way to save a couple hundred bucks
fading glacier
if you want to emulate a real player for your servers then get a 1060 and call it a day
hot bough
I picked out the 3050 because it performs close to the 1660/1060 while maintaining the average Vram in today's terms while also being more future proof as far as drivers goes.
fading glacier
or that
hot bough
Was looking at steam's survey and surprisingly, the avg gaming pc now has 8gb Vram.
fading glacier
And if you aren't doing a lot of multitasking or CPU heavy workloads, 12400f wou...
he is just trying to build a meme pc to test his servers as if that pc was an average player
sonic mural
Oh ok
hot bough
Yea.
fading glacier
so, a pure gaming budget pc
hot bough
I would never actually use it as my main rig.
Simply for emulating the experience of the avg player using a budget pc.
fading glacier
get a 750ti... im an average player
normal hawk
Could you ask your users what they have? They might be above or below average
fading glacier
his best bet is to look into steam statistics
most of the playerbase still use 4th gen and 1060s
normal hawk
his best bet is to look into steam statistics
No. Steam statistics is skewed by internet cafe's
normal hawk
most of the playerbase still use 4th gen and 1060s
^ that's why
fading glacier
the more you know
hot bough
Could you ask your users what they have? They might be above or below average
Not really, tried that before.
And the ones I do know the specs of are not your average gamer.
fading glacier
still you can fish an old gen pc on the used market as well to emulate a low end user, something 6-9th gen and a 1050
just as an idea
should be cheap
hot bough
Hmmm, I'd prefer building my own PC but I will keep that in mind in case I find a good enough deal.
By the way, Gigabyte Gaming vs Zotac.
Which one should I go with?
$10 difference.
fading glacier
depend on the model and the card
hot bough
RTX 3050.
fading glacier
either one is ok
normal hawk
I wouldn't buy a 3050. They aren't worth more than 249$
Hence why people are suggesting the 6600
fading glacier
nor i, but he is hellbent on a 3050
hot bough
How about 1660?
normal hawk
All overpriced
hot bough
Do they still update the drivers on those?
normal hawk
Do they still update the drivers on those?
Yes
hot bough
Ngl, kind of surprised by that.
normal hawk
They just stopped updating drivers for the 700 series lol
900 will be the next to go but that should be a year out at least.
hot bough
Updated the list a bit.
is it weird, almost every thing I have is EVGA even though I never intentionally like strive for EVGA stuff?....
fading glacier
They just stopped updating drivers for the 700 series lol
its a sad day for my pc indeed 
cerulean rover
is it weird, almost every thing I have is EVGA even though I never intentionally...
Missed the chance to put in an EVGA G6 650w there
hot bough
Missed the chance to put in an EVGA G6 650w there
Wouldn't that up the price?
Wait, actually lemme check.
fading glacier
yes
hot bough
Now I am curious.
fading glacier
g6 is expensive now
cerulean rover
Better PSU, same price, higher wattage
cerulean rover
g6 is expensive now
Pcpp said 80$ a sec ago
fading glacier
really? on egg and amazon is outrageously overpriced
oh the 650w
forget what i said
normal hawk
Sadge, 680m is better than the 750ti.
7000 desktop apus are gonna be crazy huh?
cerulean rover
Also just realized that's a 1660, I'd cut back a bit on the board and grab a 6600 lol
Don't need aio for 12400
cerulean rover
Then don't get aio and grab a 3060
fading glacier
fading glacier
se-214 will suffice
hot bough
Long story short.
This is a rig simply for testing how the average gamer would perform on my game/game servers while sticking to Nvidia.
Specs are referenced off of Steam's survey.
hot bough
A stock cooler would actually work for the first in 2 generations?
livid idol
They improved it
hot bough
Also lemme check, I think a Deepcool case might be cheaper.
cerulean rover
Long story short.
This is a rig simply for testing how the average gamer would ...
technically you'd be looking for like 8600k+1060 then
fading glacier
thats why i hinted at the uised market, to mimic the average budget player
most gamers these days still play on 6-9th gens
cerulean rover
12400 is a lot better than the average 6c chip
fading glacier
just fine
normal hawk
12400 is a lot better than the average 6c chip
There's really only one 6c chip better than it no? 12600(non k)
hot bough
Take into account, the shift in CPUs in a year to year and a half.
So I figured the I5-12400 would be a good balance.
cerulean rover
So I figured the I5-12400 would be a good balance.
Then 3060 would be a great balance
3060 perf kind of encompasses ampere and high end turing
Which, in the future, would probably become the average
If 1060 is the average now, 2060 would theoretically be the average next, more likely 3060/4060 as people upgrade
hot bough
True.
Yea, I think I am gonna do the route you said.
Hhere's the billion dollar question.
fading glacier
If 1060 is the average now, 2060 would theoretically be the average next, more l...
flawless comparison there my man
hot bough
Am I gonna find a RTX 3060 below $300 by some miracle?
cerulean rover
No
But you can easily fit it into your list
Because there's so many places where you can save a buck
cerulean rover
Back down to 1000$
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yrRVLs
350$ b stock 3060 is also still a thing if necessary
https://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=8
And also, 32gb ram is going to start becoming more commonplace, especially considering the price
hot bough
Nice.
cerulean rover
50$ for 16gb vs 80$ for 32gb, kinda easy choice imo
hot bough
True....
I also gotta keep in mind most people will buy 32gb of ram even though they'd probably never make use of it....
cerulean rover
Also, think of it this way, any advice we give you today is advice other people are getting today, and therefore, a year down the line, that will become more of the norm, and your build more the average
cerulean rover
No, but the stock cooler does
hot bough
Also, think of it this way, any advice we give you today is advice other people ...
True.
hot bough
No, but the stock cooler does
Got it.
Thanks for the help.
I think I will get this rig after I get the 4090.