graphics-cards

[rugged thunder]

I saw the short comings understandable

I never cared for Ray tracing, so that probably influenced it

Maybe I have bad eye sight, but I think games can currently fake the lighting well enough

Sure it's not gonna be some Pixar tier lighting

But it's good enough

[odd siren]

I've liked the 6600 so far too

[heady turtle]

Check your emails for receipts or just open your back panel

[fading glacier]

jumping from 6600 to 6700xt is a small jump... not worth the money to me

waiting for the 7000 series will be a better decision to my eyes, 6600 is good enough to wait, besides rumors point the launch of the new amds gpus before the end of the year

[rugged thunder]

I have the manual for it

Just not home atm

[rugged thunder]

It was just a bday thing

The only other thing I could think of rn is a new case

[fading glacier]

i mean, you do you, that was just my opinion if i was the one with the money 😛

[rugged thunder]

[rugged thunder]

Turns out

Couldn't get a 6700xt if I wanted too

[fading glacier]

👀

[rugged thunder]

I have an 8 pin and 6 pin GPU power cable

But that needs 2, 8 pin connectors

The bruh

[fading glacier]

technically you can power an 8 pin with a 6 pin only

the last 2 pins are just ground and signal

the first six are the ones with the power

[rugged thunder]

Huh

Wouldn't I need those last 2 pins for ground and signal

[wheat crag]

U sure your power supply doesn’t have two 8 pins?

[fading glacier]

in a 6+2 connector the last 2 pins are ground and signal, that serves to let the card know that it can go full power

[odd siren]

What psu is it

[fading glacier]

he mean the 7600xt uses 2 8 pin connectors and his psu its an 8 pin and a 6 piun only

[odd siren]

This is still a burning question lol

[rugged thunder]

Pretty sure the 650 watt

[odd siren]

Bbq

[wheat crag]

Bbq psu

[odd siren]

I wouldn't run a 6700XT on that even if it had the cables to let you do so

[dreamy dragon]

Keitherette#1994 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rugged thunder]

Shiste

There we go

PSUs for me are a pain to install

[odd siren]

It's not a great one

One sec

[rugged thunder]

I got it for like 50 bucks on sale

Somethin low

[wheat crag]

There should be some better ones for like 60-70 range

It should work tho

[rugged thunder]

Discord why did you make the picture sideways

[wheat crag]

R u sure there r no 8 pins tho?

[rugged thunder]

One 8 pin

One 6 pin

[rugged thunder]

The 6 pin

[wheat crag]

Well if that’s all the cables the best thing u can do is get a different psu

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

[wheat crag]

Iirc bq is the one with the pre attached cables

[fading glacier]

still he can power up the 6700 with the 8+6

the last 2 are just signal pins

[rugged thunder]

What do the signal cables do

If they apparently can be left out

[fading glacier]

inform the card that can suck full power

if you dont plug them the card will be half power

voltage limited

[rugged thunder]

Oh

[wheat crag]

Yea I’d just exchange the psu

Not worth it imo

[fading glacier]

that one is also true

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

Just gonna be a pain to do over

[fading glacier]

instead of upgrading the card, upgrade the psu first

[rugged thunder]

Something like 700 watts should be fine

I think

As long as it has a better pin layout

[odd siren]

Or just a better quality one

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

Dunno if a 650 watt one would be much cheaper

[odd siren]

Tuf bronze 650w, supernova gt are two good ones for mid-range

Supernova gt has been on b stock for 850W at $50

I know you don't need 850W, but it's cheap as hell

[fading glacier]

anything above 600 will be good if you get it cheap and good quality

[keen nacelle]

Gt 650

I think its on amazon for $65

[keen nacelle]

Just use pcpartpicker.com

[rugged thunder]

And I assume I would need a better case?

Lemme see the 6700xt power draw

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/49VG3C/evga-supernova-gt-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-gt-0650-y1

6700xt would be fine on a 550

And likely a 450 lol

What case do you have?

[rugged thunder]

I mean you think it'll be too hot for my case?

H510

Yeah

[keen nacelle]

Mx330-g air is $60

Just ugly

[rugged thunder]

I mean

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air

[rugged thunder]

My pc sits under my desk

It does not deserve to be seen

[keen nacelle]

If you want smthn nice looking, g360a, 4000d airflow, h510 flow

I say h510 flow since you might like nzxt

If you do it's fine, just mediocre

[rugged thunder]

I have no brand loyalty

I only got the H510 cause I needed a case that minute

[keen nacelle]

Then mx330 g air

[rugged thunder]

And best buy sucks

[keen nacelle]

Good airflow

[wheat crag]

My bestbuy is Goated lol

[rugged thunder]

can I just unplug the led

[keen nacelle]

Yes

[rugged thunder]

When I get paid A DAY AFTER MY BIRTHDAY COME ON

I'll start looking more into it

[wheat crag]

R u talking bout the led on the case?

[rugged thunder]

Fans

[wheat crag]

Oh

The case

Looks kinda meh imo

[rugged thunder]

Once again
I don't look at the case

[wheat crag]

Corsair 275r af is cheap I think

[rugged thunder]

I would rather use the H510 if I can

Selling cases in my experience

Not fun

But the 6700xt could be too much? Dunno

AMD for me runs pretty cool

How does the 3070 compare to the 6700xt?

Similar pricing but the 3070 uses only an 8pin

What do yall think

[odd siren]

Little bit faster but I wouldn't use a BQ with it

[rugged thunder]

BQ not good enough?

Nvidia says a 650 watt psu is recommended

Groan

[odd siren]

Tier c

I'd at most use it with a 6600 like you've done

[rugged thunder]

Damn

Might skip an upgrade for my birthday

Dunno what else to get

No good Lego sets coming out

[cerulean rover]

Put the money on steam

[rugged thunder]

Gamble for tf2 items

[cerulean rover]

Buy dlc

[rugged thunder]

I don't think a cpu upgrade would be worth too much

The 5600 seems pretty good

[odd siren]

No point imo on a 5600

[rugged thunder]

It just does what it needs

Which is good enough

[odd siren]

You can use a 5600 competently on pretty much anything sensible rn

[rugged thunder]

I don't think I've seen the cpu bottleneck

And for $180 I won't complain

I probably went overboard with ram

32 gigs

I bought 32 gigs BEFORE I went to 1440p for some reason

[odd siren]

Which 1440p screen?

[rugged thunder]

It's a uh

X27q

Got it on sale for $250

I'm liking it alot

[odd siren]

Yeah I can see why you'd want to step up then

[rugged thunder]

The 6600 can do 1440p

[odd siren]

6700XT/3070 and a supernova GT 650W would be good

[rugged thunder]

But kinda struggles in some games

Mostly stuff like RDR2

[odd siren]

Well yeah

It's not ideal

[rugged thunder]

I do play alot of legacy titles tho

Mainly old COD games, TF2

Arcade cab emulation

[odd siren]

TF2 prolly like 300 fps lol

[rugged thunder]

Cold war runs like garbage

But it's cold war

Engine sucks

[rugged thunder]

I play on ultra and usually get some 200-250

If i got a lower config I could definitely get 300

[odd siren]

Or alternatively you could sell the monitor for a g241/switch it to 1080p and just be ok with that until later

If you need high refresh it could definitely handle that @ 1080p*

[rugged thunder]

My current monitor is 165hz

I mainly went 1440p because "well I play older titles so the games I do play with do well over 165hz"

Plus its nice for movies

I would one day maybe want ultra wide but most games aren't made for ultra wide still

[odd siren]

Oh I mean for like, newer stuff for now, just switch to 1080p if it's slow

Sit a bit further back if you can

[rugged thunder]

The only game I could complain about performance tbh is cold war

Even warzone sits at 100 most of the time

And RDR2 sometimes going to 50 won't kill me

[odd siren]

Cold war gets how bad tho?

[rugged thunder]

Can just drop to 40 when it usually plays at 80 or 90

Then again, I don't play CW often

[ivory herald]

I like my 1080p + 1440p setup. The former for games, the latter for everything else.

[rugged thunder]

Maybe like

I could get a better sound system

Or sowmthin

Rn I have 2 dinky logitech speakers

[ivory herald]

Last good speaker setup I had was a Logitech Z680. I'm well accustomed to headphones over the years though.

[odd siren]

Tried increasing the power limit of the card yet?

[rugged thunder]

I have tried OC

Maybe I did it wrong but I never saw much improvement

[odd siren]

I think OC is difficult for cod

Iirc

Higher power limit and slightly pushed clocks, higher vram at default timings might work for a quick and dirty oc

[rugged thunder]

Maybe a chair with subwoofers built in like an arcade seat

[odd siren]

Might get you to 45-ish

[rugged thunder]

Dunno

Not alot of Yt videos talk about overclocking a 6600

I think my model has a max power draw of some 120

I was originally gonna get a 6600xt but that's too small of a jump

And I doubt the base 6700 will be much better

I'm just in a stinky spot

Any true upgrade will pretty much mean redoing the pc itself

[odd siren]

Yes they oc to 120w

[rugged thunder]

What did you say to check gpu Temps with

For some reason task manager says I'm IDLING at 50°

Somehow

Are my fans not on or somethin

[odd siren]

The same thing you use to OC with

[rugged thunder]

Msi after burner

[odd siren]

Idle at 50 is fine the fans are probably turning off and on

[odd siren]

No

Amd adrenaline

Afterburner is for nvidia

[rugged thunder]

Ah

[odd siren]

You go to I think performance tab

And then tuning

[odd siren]

Ye click tuning

Then go to custom

A whole panel opens up

One of them is power limit and it should have a slider you can enable to go up to 20%

[sonic mural]

It's a "voltage slider"

Aka, the worst thing in adrenaline

[odd siren]

Can push up the voltage slider too to 1.15

[rugged thunder]

like this?

[odd siren]

Ye there you go, then go to gpu tuning, push the voltage slider up too

Increase the minimum and maximum core clocks up a little bit

Let's say 2350 and 2550

[sonic mural]

Have you done tuning with adrenaline?

[odd siren]

A little bit so far

[sonic mural]

So you can agree the voltage offset slider is awful?

[rugged thunder]

Off topic but damn 480p looks 10x worse then I remember

[odd siren]

I just pushed it up tbh, if it's wrong correct me lol

[sonic mural]

It's just weird, it doesn't work like how it should

[rugged thunder]

What

Voltage (mV)?

[sonic mural]

It's hard to explain the mechanic of but the offset slider just sucks

[odd siren]

I'm aware that some rdna 2 cards have driver limits on voltage at least

[rugged thunder]

For me it's already all the way to the right

[odd siren]

Like silicon will go further than it's allowed to

[odd siren]

Ye 1150 it should say

[odd siren]

Then change core clocks minimim and maximum

[rugged thunder]

yup

to what?

[odd siren]

Actually leave max where it is

2549 is fine

Try 2349

For minimum

Then do vram, slide that all the way to the left, leave timings on default

Then make a custom fan curve on the right side

[odd siren]

Advanced control under vram

Slide it all the way

[rugged thunder]

Leave it at 1750?

[odd siren]

Gddr6 is quite competent

[rugged thunder]

That's all the way to the left yeah

[odd siren]

To the right

1900 it should be

[odd siren]

Yup now last is fan tuning

You can make a quick fan curve if you want or just manually set it to never turn off

On my card 70% fan speed is barely audible

[odd siren]

Since it's 120W and your temps are already decent I'm not too worried about anything specific on it

[sonic mural]

Basically too if your max clocks are set over ~2600, it'll just ignore the volt slider when going above that

So it makes it kinda pointless when actually pushing cards hard

[rugged thunder]

Mine is 2549

For the gpu

[sonic mural]

Then yeah it'll listen to it

[odd siren]

Fan curve might be a bit aggressive but you'll find out soon enough

Hit apply changes

[rugged thunder]

Max frequently and all

[sonic mural]

On a lot of the rdna2 series you can get over 2600

[odd siren]

Then on that same spot on the window you can save the profile to revisit later if it's unstable

[rugged thunder]

how about this?

[odd siren]

Ye that's a bit better, idk how loud xfx fans are

[ivory herald]

It's gonna look extra bad strechted over a 1080p screen bruh

[rugged thunder]

Think I saved it

[rugged thunder]

1440p

[odd siren]

Applying ≠ saving

Just for note

If it's unstable the amd card will reset itself to default

[rugged thunder]

I applied it, and saved the file

[odd siren]

But you can try that on cold war see if it's slightly better, we technically haven't increase the max, just given it a better power envelope to try at those harder rendering moments

[rugged thunder]

should I try this?

[odd siren]

Stress test has almost always failed me on that adrenalin

[rugged thunder]

Ah

[odd siren]

But I've been stable so far in TS GT2

So ymmv

[rugged thunder]

cold war moment

[odd siren]

Lol

If it's unstable, scale down the clock settings a bit and try again

[rugged thunder]

download is too intensive go back

[odd siren]

Iirc cod games are sensitive to oc (like a lot) so you might need some time to find a range where it starts getting better

[rugged thunder]

overclocking for black ops 2 I lied to you

[odd siren]

You can also try timespy gt2 stress testing if you want sanity like mine lol

Or superposition

[rugged thunder]

Activision when someone overclocks

Time to test

300fps in the menu !!!

...and I am getting 30fps in game

The hell

[odd siren]

Perhaps unstable

[rugged thunder]

What should I do?

[modest reef]

is your framerate capped in-game?

[rugged thunder]

No, shouldn't be

Menus for some reason getting 15fps

Lemme check again

[odd siren]

@rugged thunder

Start with the vram clock imo

Instead of 1900, try 1850

[rugged thunder]

Hold on

WHY DID COLD WAR SET RAY TRACING TO ULTRA BY DEFAULT

[odd siren]

It detected the performance gains

[rugged thunder]

"Hmmm 6600, must be a beast at ray tracing"

In game I got 30fps with ultra ray tracing

But like

30fps blows in a COD game

[odd siren]

That's suprising for RT tho

Lol

[rugged thunder]

Yeah

[odd siren]

300 in the menu at first what the heck

[rugged thunder]

I remember cold war always having performance issues

Like just looking it up

After a few updates the performance tanked

Especially compared to warzone

Which I would call a much better looking game

Like, the gun models are amazing wtf

[rugged thunder]

gpu junc temp got to the mid 80s

that bad?

[odd siren]

Still fine

Fps better?

[rugged thunder]

It's a bit better

Fan yells even at 70% lol

[odd siren]

Oof

You might be able to tune them down a little

You have hotspot headroom for it

As I said 95C hotspot* is the temp you don't really want to be continuously above

[rugged thunder]

Tf2 is well

Tf2

Bit unoptimizted

But I'm saying at the 200-300fps range

[odd siren]

So the lows are a bit better?

[rugged thunder]

yeah

[odd siren]

Perfect that's what we were going for

[rugged thunder]

TF2 has BAD issues with just dropping fps when in a larger team fight

[odd siren]

You can squeeze the minimum core clock up a little I think

But I've noticed when it's too much it just ignores the setting

So you could push up both min and max

But I wouldn't do much

Maybe another +50? Otherwise you'll need to really stress test it

[odd siren]

Other thing you could do is ram oc on your 5600 but that'll give only a little bump as well at 1440p

And cod also hates ram oc lol

[rugged thunder]

drops to 148fps

lmao

[odd siren]

Dropping to 148 isn't that bad tho

Still north of 144

[rugged thunder]

I know

Still pretty bad drops if you had a higher refresh rate monitor

I could use some garbage "comp" config

But eh

Not worth the graphical hit

[odd siren]

If it seems just better in general though that's good

[rugged thunder]

Yea

[buoyant token]

Pathetic, I play with 5 FPS, on fivem

[rugged thunder]

Skill issue

[buoyant token]

https://a.co/d/fDME9UZ

Is this a good card?

[vital oriole]

that price is terrible

don't get it

you can probably get 3070 at that price

but 3060ti for sure

unless you really want white, cause white tax is steep kek

[rugged thunder]

Jesus yeah

For $500 get a 3070 or somethin

6700xt

[vital oriole]

yep

6700xt can be had below 500

[rugged thunder]

I see then at like

$450

Kinda often

[vital oriole]

sapphire pulse is 489 rn

one of the best 6700xt models

[rugged thunder]

I'd get one but my current psu ain't good eno

Enough

[buoyant token]

I’m looking for a white gpu, so if you can find one for a good price that’ll be great

[vital oriole]

mech 2x is dummy cheap atm

but it's crap

[celest salmon]

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Advanced-ZT-A30820J-10PLHR/dp/B09PZM76MG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=313ET735LP3US&keywords=3080&qid=1659329366&sprefix=3080%2Caps%2C93&sr=8-2 is this look good

[rugged thunder]

White specifically? GPU racism

[vital oriole]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TDvdnQ/powercolor-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-hellhound-video-card-axrx-6650xt-8gbd6-3dhlv2oc

this one

[vital oriole]

meh but it'll do a-okay

bad price tho

[rugged thunder]

6650xt?

That's a thing?

[vital oriole]

ye

[buoyant token]

Lol, yea I’m going for an all white build

[celest salmon]

i cant find any 3080 with 12gb under 800 in amazon or newegg

[vital oriole]

sits between 3060 and 3060ti

why 12 specifically?

[celest salmon]

because is faster than 10gb

[vital oriole]

there's practically no perf difference

nope

only very slightly so

just get a good 3080 model and it'll do better than that zotac

[celest salmon]

oh aight

[vital oriole]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zsmmP6/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-lhr-10-gb-ftw3-ultra-gaming-lhr-video-card-10g-p5-3897-kl

[celest salmon]

cthanks

[vital oriole]

like this one

779 on newegg

[rugged thunder]

If I get bday money

I'll get a 6700xt

[celest salmon]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097S6JDMV?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 this one?

[rugged thunder]

That's all I really ask for anyway

[vital oriole]

look at newegg

amazon is out of stock

[rugged thunder]

A 6700xt for me seems like a decent upgrade for the price

But ehhh

Will wait

[ivory herald]

why are you saying to get the 10GB model when it's within $20 of the 12GB.

[vital oriole]

because it's a zotac lol

and they're trying to hit below 800 here

[buoyant token]

ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX™ 3070 Twin Edge OC White Edition LHR 8GB GDDR6 256-bit 14 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Gaming Graphics Card, IceStorm 2.0 Advanced Cooling, White LED Logo Lighting, ZT-A30700J-10PLHR https://a.co/d/9QxWUi7

This good?

[vital oriole]

that's more like it

[livid idol]

Mostly only at 4k

[buoyant token]

Ok nice

That card will save me about $400

[vital oriole]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B098Q4QTQX

but get this imo

better cooler design

a tad cheaper

[ivory herald]

Ah. I mean I was gonna mention the $750 TUF, but currently out of stock.

[vital oriole]

rip

[buoyant token]

Is there any performance difference between the two?

[vital oriole]

probably not much

but the extra fan will make the gpu quieter

and cooler

[buoyant token]

Ok, it kinda sounds like the opposite but ok

[vital oriole]

the 3 fan one has better heatsink too so

that's why it can run cooler and quieter

[buoyant token]

Ah

[celest salmon]

@vital oriole

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097S6JDMV?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

is this the same model

from newegg?

[vital oriole]

ye

[celest salmon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/48NNY9 everything will fit right?

once i put all the parts together

[vital oriole]

gm

hm*

is this new build?

[celest salmon]

yes

[vital oriole]

cpu and mobo can change tbh

12400f is same performance

[celest salmon]

yea will it work?

[vital oriole]

that'll save you money

[celest salmon]

I play cpu inteisve game so i need the l3 cache

[vital oriole]

it doesn't matter

12400f still has stronger gaming perf tbh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GggLd9

[rugged thunder]

If I can find it at a fair price

Might snag a 3070

Eventually

It seems getter then a 6700xt

Better

Both are around $500

The 6700xt nearing $450

[vital oriole]

3070 is often faster yes

[rugged thunder]

AMD has been good but at the end of the day, bang for buck matters

[livid idol]

6750 XT is pretty close in price to 6700 XT and beats the 3070

[vital oriole]

ye

[rugged thunder]

That is also a card that exists?

Weird ass naming

I'm seeing that over the $500 mark

[livid idol]

This should help with the price/performance balancing at least. https://youtu.be/bISWIk5pUH0

[rugged thunder]

It's

Probably best to wait a while

[livid idol]

With AMD still on track for an October launch of GPUs yeah

Nvidia's considering pushing things back as far as next year

[rugged thunder]

The funny

[heady turtle]

Should probably do, send a pic when you're home

[heady turtle]

Oh you're gonna want a new psu

[rugged thunder]

Yea

8 pin and 6 pin

Is stinky

[heady turtle]

Not only that bq isn't a great psu

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4xGnTW/phanteks-amp-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p650g_us01

Id do this probably

Or this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7pmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-pe-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-1

[rugged thunder]

Might do that for my bday

[lone pond]

BQ more like barbeque

[rugged thunder]

New Case

New PSU

[hasty sphinx]

Who dis?

[rugged thunder]

Wha

[hasty sphinx]

"New phone psu, who dis?"

[rugged thunder]

[livid idol]

That was a bad pun at best

[rugged thunder]

That wasn't even a pun

[hasty sphinx]

Not a pun, but only bad because I had to explain it lol. Cringe though yes

[livid idol]

A play on words then

Combined with an obscure pop culture reference

[rugged thunder]

So

Just a bad Family guy joke

But yeah

Wait for new cards

Or a lucky sale

[livid idol]

They've already been below MSRP but the prices might go a bit lower still

[rugged thunder]

Is it really worth it

Is the question

And it's probably not

The jump from 6600 to 6700xt or 3070 probably ain't worth the costs

The card (probably some $500)
New PSU (anywhere between $50 and $100)
Probably a new case

[hasty sphinx]

It could be worth the cost. It depends on the person. Do you need the newest out for increased price when a cheaper card thats still good enough to run any game is available?

[rugged thunder]

I've mainly been playing legacy titles

Your older CODS, TF2, Quake

Sometimes I play something modern

Like RDR2

Doom Eternal

Would say GTA but like, no

Online is just poorly optimized

[hasty sphinx]

So the question you should ask yourself is.. Do I need to spend way more for the newest thing when a cheaper card that's still considered current will serve my purpose?

[rugged thunder]

Most likely not

Unless I really wannt push those tf2 frames

Not much else to upgrade then

[hasty sphinx]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Otherwise you'll end up like me.

[ivory herald]

The typical upgrade itch. If all I played was L4D2 and similar age stuff, would've been ok w/ the 970.

[rugged thunder]

I will eventually get rid of the H510

Probably

[odd siren]

Sell it

then get another h510

[rugged thunder]

Eh, looked to the used market

Ain't much cheaper

Maybe $100 at best

I seach 6700xt on mercari and it gives me a 1650s

Same thing

Oo 3070s on mecari are decent enough

[keen nacelle]

I would not trust a gpu from mercari

[rugged thunder]

Gotta wait till Thursday to decide tho

I've sold on mecari but I have never bought

Is mecari just bad for pc parts or somethin

Never knew

[heady turtle]

Check r/hardwareswap on reddit

[rugged thunder]

Then again I think mecari is something Facebook related

[heady turtle]

Nothing to do with Facebook

You're thinking of FB marketplace

[rugged thunder]

Oh yeah 3...followers

"Oh boy he's selling again I GOTTA see it"

[rugged thunder]

I legit keep forgetting the 6750xt exists

Bruh

[modest reef]

https://youtu.be/MjYSeT-T5uk

[fossil talon]

saw that as well

[fading glacier]

luckily none of those cards will be released anytime soon

they have a lot of times to fix that

i hope

[livid idol]

Problem is they were designed to compete with current gen... But next gen will be out soon

[wicked hound]

designed to compete with current gen
compete is a pretty generous word there too lol

[ivory herald]

Yep, been pretty much a duopoly for a long time.

[wicked hound]

Given how meme worthy Intel drivers are rn (like who allows such things?) and with how late their GPUs are it does seem like it'll be a few generations before Intel will every be worth it. Apart from maybe being able to pick up some Intel GPU insanely cheap on used market due to terrible drivers

[jaunty mango]

why would a graphics card be underperfoming

i have a decent cpu

and my rtx 2070 is barely at 50-60% usage

[cerulean rover]

Underperforming in what metric and compared to what

[jaunty mango]

destiny 2

it should be doing almost 120 fps at max settings

it barely pulls 30

[cerulean rover]

(insert destiny 2 being really unoptimized)
But what about other games or benchmarks like 3dmark

[jaunty mango]

i havent seen a reference but halo infinite can barely do 60 at max settings

lemme fire it up real quick to get exact numbers

[cerulean rover]

Do 3dmark timespy demo if you can, or similar benchmark

Benchmarks nice for just checking performance and ruling out software issues

[jaunty mango]

destiny could be the issue but then why would another person with the exact same card down to the model have 3x my performance with the same settings

[cerulean rover]

Tis why I say do a benchmark

Benchmark gives solid numbers we can compare with first

[jaunty mango]

aight

ok maybe it might be destiny

cause now my gpu is maxed on halo

although its just the title screen?

and discord is lagging reaaaaaly bad

my whole system is being really unresponsive even on just the lobby screen

[odd siren]

Maybe try ddu

!ddu

[dreamy dragon]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[jaunty mango]

i dont think thats normal

yea ima do that

[odd siren]

I've had weirdness like this and sometimes DDU is a perfect fix

[jaunty mango]

i just upgraded straight from my old gtx 770 drivers

[odd siren]

Yes then def ddu

[jaunty mango]

i thought that would be fine cause you know same brand but i guess not

[odd siren]

Nah always do a full clean install of gpu drivers between gens and brands

[jaunty mango]

yeaa

[fading glacier]

What about using 3d markspy ti help you see the problem

[jaunty mango]

I’ll do that in a minute after I reinstall my drivers and see if that helped

[jaunty mango]

where do you acquire this

cause i can only find the $30 steam version

[cerulean rover]

On steam, scroll down, demo

[odd siren]

There's a demo download on that page

[jaunty mango]

aight

[cerulean rover]

Demo functions basically same for the purposes of a quick run

[jaunty mango]

ok performance is still the same after driver reinstall so ima do the timespy

time spy results

[livid idol]

It appears to be performing as expected

[jaunty mango]

dang

idk whats up with destiny then

[livid idol]

So it's probably a game or settings issue

[odd siren]

Yeah likely settings

Like yesterday when we had someone's cod game randomly turn on like RT and ultra settings and tanked the fps lol

[fading glacier]

Destiny is a poorly optimized game anyway

[jaunty mango]

well yea

[fading glacier]

Plus dont do rtx, unless its mc

[jaunty mango]

i was just expecting better i guess

destiny doesnt have rt

[odd siren]

It should do better, you're right

Just need to find what makes it click lol

e.g turning off vsync sometimes fixes that

[jaunty mango]

aight

ill fiddle with that in a bit

im gonna play halo for a bit

[cerulean rover]

What CPU do you have btw

CPU score looks really low

[livid idol]

Judging by the Vega 11 it could be a 3400g

[west dust]

My results were like that with a 3090 ti

[rugged thunder]

Not good enough

4070 ti or bust

[sonic mural]

yeah its 100% a 3400g

[cerulean rover]

Yea uh that's not a great CPU

[cerulean rover]

Do remember APUs are 1 gen behind, a 3400g is Zen+, and therefore more like a 2600 but only 4 cores

[cerulean rover]

Assuming it is a 3400g, is it? @jaunty mango

[vital oriole]

it's more like um

2300x tbh

[livid idol]

Which would 100% explain why it feels like the GPU isn't performing like it should. I bottlenecked a 2070 with my 2700 overclocked in a lot of games.

[cerulean rover]

Same lol

[lone pond]

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/29690431

those seem pretty bad for 2070super

[vital oriole]

it's cause the cpu is bottlenecking it

hard

[jaunty mango]

Sorry just saw the pings

Yea it’s a 3400g

I didn’t assume it was a CPU bottle neck cause other games run with both cpu and gpu at 100

Halo infinite for instance

But I guess I was wrong lmao

Aight is the ryzen 5 5600x a good pair for the 2070S

[livid idol]

You can go for the non-x 5600, cheaper and just as good

[jaunty mango]

Aight

Now the only thing

[livid idol]

But yeah certain games will hit those CPU cores more, creating that GPU bottleneck. Then it'll seem fine in others.

[jaunty mango]

I still have a b450 mobo

Technically has support

[livid idol]

That's fine, just update bios

[jaunty mango]

Would it cause any issues or bottleneck with the cpu?

[livid idol]

I have a 5800X on X470, it works perfectly fine even overclocking

[jaunty mango]

Alrighty

What’s the difference between the 5600x and non-x anyway

[livid idol]

And the 5600 is a low power CPU by comparison so even a lower end B450 would be fine

[jaunty mango]

Is it just a slight performance increase?

[jaunty mango]

Ok

[livid idol]

100 MHz and a lower base clock iirc

[jaunty mango]

Ok

[livid idol]

https://youtu.be/ifI9nnmW5sg

[jaunty mango]

Aight

[livid idol]

It's more of a difference in production tasks but gaming is nearly identical

[jaunty mango]

What’s the price difference anyway

[jaunty mango]

Would it help with streaming at all?

Or is that basically all relagated to the gpu anyway

[livid idol]

5600 is currently $150, about $50 cheaper than 5600X
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box

[jaunty mango]

Aight

[livid idol]

Nah production means more like blender and stuff

[jaunty mango]

Ah

Aight

If I’m upgrading my cpu I wanna get a new case

The 2070 just barely squeaks into my current one

[livid idol]

You can if you want but it shouldn't be much hotter than your current cpu

[jaunty mango]

Well it’s not the cpu I’m worried about

I’m almost suffocating my gpu

Kinda a yikes rn

[livid idol]

Cut a vent with a Dremel

[jaunty mango]

Lmao

I don’t think that’ll help since the feet on my case came off

[livid idol]

Flip it 🙃

[jaunty mango]

I think I’ll just spend like $50 or so on an actual case that doesn’t look like I ripped it from a dell

[livid idol]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air

Best low cost case I know of

[jaunty mango]

Yea

I’ll consider that

[random walrus]

will using a Ryzen cpu with an rx6600 provide a significant performance boost over an intel cpu?

[livid idol]

No

[rugged thunder]

It makes it slightly more convenient

That is it

[rugged thunder]

I am pretty sure 6700xt uses 2, 8 pin connectors for power

Yeah

I was gonna go 3070 but it's usually another $100 more

So that kinda influences that

That and idk about buying used gpus from ebay

Still have a day or so to decide

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/X96p99/sapphire-radeon-rx-6700-10-gb-pulse-video-card-11321-02-20g

[rugged thunder]

I was thinking XT, as I'm jumping from a 6600

Which only kinda does 1440p

Lemme see how the non xt version preforms

[keen nacelle]

6700 in between 2080 and 3060 ti

but imo really not worth upgrading from a 6600 with new gpus just around the corner

not unless you can get back most of the new cost

[rugged thunder]

I guess

I was thinking getting used

But ehh

For my bday I might just get the new case and psu

Just eh price wise

Dunno

Better case than a H510

[normal hawk]

That's a low bar

[rugged thunder]

That is the joke yes

Something with good airflow

Doesn't look ugly

And won't cost my soul

[fading glacier]

im on the same boat.... upgrading from 6600 to 6700 or 3070... not worth to me

especially with the new gen around the corner

but you do you, i guess

upgrading to a 3080/6800xt... well thats another story.. well worth a shot

and even at that point i should wait for the gpu crash when the newer gens are officially announced

that will be the lowest point, most of the ppl will panickily try to sell their 30 series to buy the 40 series, happened before, can potentially happen again

with 4070 and 4070ti rumored to beat 3090 and 3090ti... well..

still 400w on that rumored ti variant is way too high for a 70 class card xD hopefully the real ti will feature 300w or something

[rugged thunder]

I'm probably just gonna upgrade my case and powersupply now

With my bday money I saved up

[heady turtle]

@rugged thunder please no nsfw emotes

[rugged thunder]

Eggplant hitting man in face

You smell

[wheat crag]

I sorta doubt that

I mean people will sell cheap but not panic sell

Like last time with their 2080 ties

[keen nacelle]

which i7 and compared to what

[fading glacier]

happened before, could happen again... its a possibility

[keen nacelle]

sigh

5600 is enough for any gpu that currently exists

i would get a cheaper cpu than a 12700kf and a more expensive gpu

such as 5600 and 3080 or 6800xt

[fading glacier]

or a 12400f

[keen nacelle]

5600 is cheaper rn

[fading glacier]

yeah, i was thinking in something like that, like 600 series mobos prices kill the advantage as well

then why ask?

well the i7 is pretty much overkill for gaming, can go toe to toe with the 5900

[keen nacelle]

not to mention 12700kf is pointless over the 12700f if youre not ocing it

and no offense, but someone who doesn't even know the name of the cpu they have should not be ocing a cpu

[fading glacier]

6800 is a good gpu for 1440 and some 4k, could match a 3070ti and almost 3080

[keen nacelle]

not really

3070 ti? yes

3080 very much no

[fading glacier]

well, not almost then 😛 noted

[keen nacelle]

you called it a 1200kf

[fading glacier]

thing is, you have a good cpu+gpu combo

overkill for 1080 and very good for 1440... ok for 4k

still overkill cpu for gaming

[keen nacelle]

nah, 6800 fine for 1080p

3080 and 6800xt imo is where youre overkill

where did i get heated

um

thanks?

i was very concerned about your place of residence

[rugged thunder]

Always seeing it for below $200

I've seen it for $150 once or twice

[keen nacelle]

its 150 atm

[rugged thunder]

I've never had it bottle neck on me

Then again my gpu isn't a 3090ti

For its price though I really can't complain

I was gonna get an 5600x originally

Idk why i didn't

[keen nacelle]

not much of a reason

5600 is cheaper and 3% worse, if not less

[rugged thunder]

It was like $30 more

I was kinda a cheapo

I couldn't look up reviews atm and just went with my gut

[keen nacelle]

whatd you get instead

[rugged thunder]

Just the base 5600

[keen nacelle]

then thats fine

$30 for 3% better perf isnt worth it

[rugged thunder]

It was $180, and the 5600x was like

$210-220

[keen nacelle]

yeah, not worth it

[rugged thunder]

Plus the 5600 probably runs cooler

I'm still using the stock fan

[keen nacelle]

that's fine

[fading glacier]

3 more months bacca, 3 more months 😄

[keen nacelle]

for rpl?

[fading glacier]

yup

[keen nacelle]

mmm

[fading glacier]

hope ddr5 keep the trend of going cheaper and better

[keen nacelle]

there can be an argument made for ddr5 now

[fading glacier]

yeah

[keen nacelle]

im contemplating it

[rugged thunder]

I forgot about ddr5 tbh

[fading glacier]

im keeping an eye on those

depends on how good the 700 series mobo can run 6000 memory modules

anything lower will be ddr4 for me

[keen nacelle]

if 7000 series is a good bit better than 13th gen, ill consider it

since i can sell my current pc and more than make up the difference

[fading glacier]

thats a possibility as well, but the beta tester status is kinda down for me 😦

looking at 6 bios updates on the first month

[odd siren]

I think sips raised a good point. Their basic compatibility on AM5 needs to be usable

[fading glacier]

unlike rpl, there is almost no news about the 7000 series.... they are shrouded in mistery 😛

[odd siren]

No random disconnects or restarts on AM5 would be nice

My 5900X has been good tho, but there definitely was flakiness when I first got it. Usb disconnects was one of those

[keen nacelle]

i really don't need the extra power of next gen, i just don't need anything immediately

[odd siren]

Logging into windows with nothing starting up was another

[keen nacelle]

and since it's close im waiting

[rugged thunder]

Windows shuts itself off

Doesn't want to speak to you

[odd siren]

Yeah had those too

[sonic mural]

atleast theyll have more consistent heat density, there wont be something like the 5800x with single ccx where a single tiny point runs insanely hot

[odd siren]

I fixed that with soc LLC which I shouldn't do

[odd siren]

True

I'm actually hoping the ihs in general just works better

A lot of latent heat gets stuck in the die outside the cores

[sonic mural]

also lga is epic since no more people pulling off cooler and cpu at same time

[odd siren]

I did that and gave myself a heart attack

[sonic mural]

💀 any bent pins?

[odd siren]

Nope, completely flawless lift

[sonic mural]

thats lucky

[keen nacelle]

idk how i didnt do that

[sonic mural]

like, really lucky

[odd siren]

Word to the wise, always warm your paste before lifting an am4 chip

[sonic mural]

its not huge deal to warm up

[odd siren]

I'm a bit of a religious man now

[sonic mural]

just gotta slightly twist side to side and break the seal

[odd siren]

No it really is, I couldn't pry the cooler off at all

Even twisting

[sonic mural]

doubt

[odd siren]

It was stuck like cement

[sonic mural]

stock paste can be pretty bad sometimes tho

[odd siren]

It was nt-h2

Lmao

[sonic mural]

bruh

[odd siren]

The system had been off for a couple days and it was pretty cold weather

Well, once it was off I had to really think about it

I prepared a cushion landing to get the cpu to land on if it fell and carefully levered it off the cooler

Rolled on it's side softly down the pillow (rip the pillow cover)

[fading glacier]

im in the same boat again, my pc is just a glorified web browser rn, so im waiting, no extra power needed rn but i want to secure the very best for the next 6 years

why? just because

still i miss doom eternal and warzone some days

[rigid peak]

Hi, I hope someone here might be able to help me. So everytime I power on my PC, if I don’t shake the mouse or tap my keyboard, my GPU won’t produce any output. The fan on it spins, all the fans and RGB in the case turn on, but the GPU light doesn’t come on and nothing happens
(If there is a better channel for this please let me know)

[fading glacier]

try to put your gpu on the other pcie slot

if it works there then probably your main pcie slot on the mobo is kida weird

could be a power issue on your card as well

[sonic mural]

Could also be a bad display cable or a monitor not set to the right input or something

[random zinc]

guys can i use a 8 pin on a 6 pin gpu? the 8 pin cant spread to 6 pin

[vital oriole]

yes

most 8 pin cables are actually 6+2

[random zinc]

its not

it just 8

[vital oriole]

you can split the 2 extra pins

can you do that on yours?

[random zinc]

its dual sata to 8 pin

[vital oriole]

oh

well then no

it won't fit

[random zinc]

then i should cut it?

[vital oriole]

no

don't

[odd siren]

Don't use dual sata to 8 pin

[random zinc]

well this is

[odd siren]

Use 8 to 6+2

[random zinc]

yeah ik but this 8 pin cant split to 6+2

[odd siren]

Would not use that cable at all

Lol

[random zinc]

well the power supply onthe dell optiplex doesnt have a pcie power connector

[odd siren]

Oof

[random zinc]

i m trying to put a rx 6500xt in it

[odd siren]

Which optiplex?

[random zinc]

3010

from 2012

i believe

[odd siren]

How does it not have a 6 pin

[random zinc]

its a 270 w psu

it only has 4 sata and cpu / motherboard power connector

[ivory herald]

if it isn't "6+2", then it doesn't go to a GPU (excluding specific legit cables/extensions)

[random zinc]

so it wont fit in a 6 pin

and im asking it can i cut it

[ivory herald]

no. what is the other end of the cable?

[random zinc]

dual sata

🙂

[ivory herald]

SHOW

[random zinc]

here

@ivory herald

[wheat crag]

Dang those cables r mustard flavor

Looks like two satas

[random zinc]

yes

dual sata

[odd siren]

Probably one of the most dangerous cables to use in any 2022 gaming computer just for all the kids watching

[random zinc]

ay the gpu that im will use only use about 80w

it wont set my house on fire thats fine

[odd siren]

I know, just a public service announcement

[random zinc]

what do i do now i have a gtx 960 is the system and i want to upgrade ( also broke )

[odd siren]

Well you definitely can't cut it

Reason is the satas use up to 7 cables there

[random zinc]

well can i run the 6500xt on the pcie x16 slot?

[odd siren]

Mix of ground and I would think 5v?

[random zinc]

with out power connector

[random zinc]

runs fine on my 960

[odd siren]

Yes but you don't cut it

[random zinc]

so i cant fit in to the 6 pin female adapter

[odd siren]

You need a different cable

[random zinc]

think this means that i need to steal my mum credit card again

[random zinc]

well ok i just found a 20 $ 400w psu

[odd siren]

Different psu would work

Try a 450-550w tuf bronze

[random zinc]

out of my budget

max is 30$

second hand

thats what im trying to find

[odd siren]

I would keep looking and keep checking here to verify if it's a good psu

[random zinc]

just found this for 20 $ each

[odd siren]

Don't just buy any old unit

Check the model #

Lots of PSU's are bombs

[random zinc]

i gonna buy the evga one

if its around 20$

or another option is to buy a single sata to 6 pin

[odd siren]

There are a number of EVGA bombs

[random zinc]

well can i sue them

[odd siren]

Sure, you could probably do sata to 6 pin

Be a better idea than a no name psu imo

Both ideas dodgy tho

[livid idol]

All of these are trash that either shouldn't be used or shouldn't be used for anything with a GPU

[random zinc]

I’m broke that why I go for cheap options

[livid idol]

You'll be even more broke if your house burns down

[random zinc]

I got fire extinguisher

[livid idol]

And if it catches fire with you not there?

And even if you do extinguish it there's a strong possibility the computer dies

[odd siren]

We aren't trying to be cruel we are genuinely suggesting to make a proper investment

PSU's are often one of the neglected sides of a PC and you really should get a decent quality one

[livid idol]

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

[random zinc]

It’s my second pc so I’m mainly using the other one

[odd siren]

You can afford to wait until you have the means to buy a good one then imo

[random zinc]

Also this pc coust 55$

[odd siren]

Don't go a cheap route on the psu

[random zinc]

Yeah but I don’t need that much power

[odd siren]

That's not the point

[livid idol]

Ok but don't get any of the ones in that picture, they're all F tier from what I can see, which is the "will explode" tier

[odd siren]

Point is you are using on old, low power psu with dodgy cables, or 2nd hand dodgy psu's sold cheap for a good reason

[random zinc]

So a bronze rate is good?

[livid idol]

Bronze is just an efficiency rating

[odd siren]

Bronze, silver, gold≠quality levels

[livid idol]

Nothing to do with quality at all, there's gold units in F tier

[random zinc]

So I have this one is this one decent?

[odd siren]

@sgee have a look at this list. It has been comprehensively made based on tons and tons of reviews brought together by a group of power supply fanatics. It's a highly trustworthy source.

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Pick anything on this list that is tier c or better

[odd siren]

E tier, nope

[livid idol]

E tier, the "avoid if at all possible" tier where they put things that won't necessarily explode but can damage other parts

[odd siren]

Try this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bVD7YJ/asus-tuf-gaming-b-450-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-tuf-gaming-450b

[livid idol]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174944114546

Keep in mind you might need to get a replacement cable or 2 with that

[random zinc]

I sue this won’t be a bomb?

[vital oriole]

cxm is better than whatever that thing you have is

[livid idol]

It's C tier but it's missing the modular cables

Corsair cables are easy to get and cheap if you need them

[vital oriole]

ye

overall it would be hella cheap

[random zinc]

Yeah but I don’t have a card to pay for that

[fading glacier]

if your psu dont have a gpu connector then you should not try to connect a gpu adapter there, probably not enough wattage to supply a card that need a 6+2 power source... plus a 270w psu probably cant cut it anyway D:

[odd siren]

Hmm