networks-security-and-home-servers

[real jackal]

yes

[olive mist]

hmm

do you have details on the streaming pc?

what you could do is streamline a lot of this

and host the file server on the streaming pc

I'd only really use the router as a backup server

rather than as a main file server

[real jackal]

i can send you the specs on it if you want

[autumn nimbus]

I wish discord had alt text

[olive mist]

sure

[olive mist]

discord should have markdown

[autumn nimbus]

true

[olive mist]

that way I can type $$ \int ^e^{2x} _x 5x dx $$

[feral eagle]

depends how you want setup and level of isolation I suppose. for split networks some will use a central network switch and connect a second smaller switch on a separate vlan rather than whole other router. WAPs (Wireless Access Points) can also be setup with multiple wifi network available for example: wifi, wifi-guest, wifi-iot etc.

some people might want isolated vlans so devices on one network can't talk to devices on another network. like if you are running a public server you don't want that server to call to your private pcs in case it gets compromised

[real jackal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vtF3t3 let me know if you can open the link. Although the ram is not that ram it is actually TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR4 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz (PC4-28800) CL18 Desktop Gaming Memory Module Ram TF4D432G3600HC18JDC01 - White

[olive mist]

that is definitely capable of running a file server

all you have to do is plug in hdd

and set up samba

that has several advantages

If you have files that the streaming pc needs

it won't have to go through the network

it can grab them locally

and there's just going to be a lot less traffic in general

[real jackal]

so it sounds like i need to make some changes then?

[olive mist]

We would need to know what your needs are

We can optimize your setup on a basic level

but other than that we can't do that much without more context

[real jackal]

would this change the method of how i transfer my files from my phone to the HDD on the network. Currently using cx file explorer and transfering them that way

[olive mist]

you'll be accessing files from a different address

if cx uses samba or nfs

in theory you just have to access the files from a different network address

[feral eagle]

having a NAS can be nice for that. for lighter files I just work on them straight from a nas. that way I can access on my desktop or laptop depending how mobile I have to be

[olive mist]

what you could also do

is you could virtualize your streaming pc

have one virtual machine running your streaming service

the other

actually errr

nvm bad advice

[feral eagle]

you getting complicated

[olive mist]

better idea

run something like openmediavault on the machine

then run the streaming service in docker

That's exactly how I run my nas

I have openmediavault hosting my nas

[feral eagle]

what streaming service is this btw?

[olive mist]

and on the same machine I have jellyfin running in docker

[autumn nimbus]

I was thinking about truenas

[olive mist]

also a good choice

I'm a FOSS shill

so I use omv

also a debian shill

[real jackal]

So i have this set up currently to control what devices use what network. The AX6600 controls all devices in the house. The Ax3000 controls items in my office. Since the Ax6600 is a gaming router i thought maybe i should move that router to my office since that is were i have the gaming pc and streaming. However i am not sure if that will make a difference since there are already connected to the switch that is being provided internet by the Ax6600. I do know about nas, but after i saw the prices. I found out about USB ports on the back of wifi routers which i went that route. I also want to try a new set up because i want to try a home lab sever if that is possible. Sorry if this is a lot of words again lol

[olive mist]

So

[real jackal]

one other item i like to add when i was first setting up the HDD's to the second wifi router it took me awhile for both of them to show up on the network. It would either be one or the other or neither. Not sure if is the HDD's themselves or how i have the set up through the usb port

[olive mist]

I assume you don't want the office devices exposed to the whole network

Or alternatively it's just an AP

[real jackal]

honestly doesn't bother me if they show up or not

[olive mist]

I guess my question is

Can the router be replaced with a switch

[feral eagle]

homelab server and nas often used interchangeably but yes off the shelf NAS's are often pretty expensive (from people like qnap, synology, etc) Doesn't have to be expensive though I often used random retired office desktops as homelab servers. If you take a somewhat decent desktop laying around you can install a NAS software like TrueNAS Scale, Unraid, etc. essentially what they do is handle all the network storage, access permissions and services you run on the system. though some are a little more tricky to setup than others.

[olive mist]

Yeah that's the good thing about homelab

It's uh

Whatever you can cobble together

[real jackal]

which one?

[olive mist]

The office one

Unless you're using it as a wireless AP as well

[feral eagle]

he is basically asking if all the office equipment can be run wired via ethernet

[real jackal]

only for items in the office which is a printer. That is wireless, and a nintendo swtich for my son, and a ps4. Also my cell phone other then that nothing else.

[olive mist]

Yeah that can stay as a WAP

I'd probably move the HDDs onto the streaming pc

But otherwise that's fine as is tbh

[feral eagle]

my personal server I use mostly for streaming movies and shows, phone photo backups, password managers,and game servers

[olive mist]

I have a decentralized server setup because quad cores

Skylake's running the more cpu intensive tasks

Haswell for literally everything else

[real jackal]

this is also something i would like to try but no knowledge in making a server whatsoever

[olive mist]

In your case you got a 5900x so

You can run a lot of crap in one machine

[feral eagle]

some are definitely easier than others, better to start one at a time. like my password manager I basically never touch because it always works but my photo backup I was fighting with 2 weeks ago because of an update that had breaking changes and ofc I didn't read the changelogs

[olive mist]

Yeah some services are pretty much just one docker compose file then you're done

Others can be really annoying

[real jackal]

i also have the device that i no longer use. Can i use this for anything to start a personal server? Lenovo IdeaPad 3 15.6" FHDTouch-screen Laptop Notebook i3-1115G4 8GB 256GB SSD Grey Windows 11 Home S

[olive mist]

Well yes

Throw the os of your choice on it

[real jackal]

here are the specs for it

[olive mist]

But tbh

[olive mist]

Might be more power efficient to just run everything on the 5900x

Seems like you got more than enough processing power on one machine

I'd only start offloading stuff to another machine if you're running into resource limitations

Kinda hard to saturate 24 threads

[real jackal]

well honestly no limitations that i am aware of. I kind of thought these could be a good chance to start some what of a home lab server by throwing the question out there. Cuz i find that kind of stuff interesting and wanted to see if what i currently have can be made into one maybe lol

[olive mist]

You can have a very capable server for sure

The 5900x machine can run a loooot of stuff

Even my quad core skylake can run a lot

I've offloaded some of my applications to my haswells

Since I didn't really want a VM running on the skylake

That'd suck up a lot of processing power (running a debian vm with light docker apps and a resource sucking windows vm)

[real jackal]

so one question since that is using for streaming would that effect the quality when i stream. Since the feed from my gaming pc goes into that machine through a capture card? Also in order to find the HDD's on the network would it be the same process of just making it a public device and mapping the drive?

also one more question any good videos to watch to learn more about setting up a home server?

[olive mist]

So you're offloading the streaming to the pc?

Are you streaming using the cpu? or do you have a gpu

A hardware (dgpu) would be faster than software (cpu)

[olive mist]

Yes

[real jackal]

Yes
The PC does have a GPU, but the feed is coming into the streaming PC through a capture card.

[olive mist]

Has to come from somewhere lol

If the capture card can keep up with the footage and doesn't do any compression

There should not be any quality loss

[real jackal]

Ok

Thank you

Also any good videos to watch learn more about a home lab server

?

[autumn nimbus]

I've been watching hardware haven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf_5FaVFnrU

[olive mist]

Do it yourself is my advice

Install a os

Mess around with docker

Best way to learn really

[feral eagle]

well yeah but you might want to do just a little bit of research first lol

[real jackal]

ok thank you everyone for the advice 🙂

[west cape]

My only docker experience was in a virtual lab

L honestly

[karmic wedge]

I use Docker all the time lol

I have a Proxmox server that's almost only Docker LXCs 💀

[feral eagle]

Docker is nice cuz you can experiment with configs on your laptop or desktop and just push it to a server easily once it is running well

[karmic wedge]

It's even nicer when you have a Proxmox server and you can just setup containers within Docker (that is, Docker containers within an LXC container lmao)

[olive mist]

How well does that work

I just make a vm for docker

[karmic wedge]

Actually works super well

I have like three reliable LXC containers that are just Docker

[olive mist]

Ayyy

Finally got winapps setup

I will say

Winapps does not like tiling

Bruh

I hate windows

Straight up crashed when I tried to sign in

Turns out it's more stable if I just... run the rdp session instead of having the applet

I might just sign in to my apps using the rdp session and then use winapps

[autumn nimbus]

Now I need to flash something onto it

[karmic wedge]

That thing looks like it craves Linux Mint

But I could be wrong. What's in it?

[autumn nimbus]

absolutely nothing I formatted the drive earlier lol

I plan to put truenas or something like that

[karmic wedge]

I meant the other specs

[autumn nimbus]

a

4790 and 8gb ram

[karmic wedge]

K or non-K?

Probably non-K I bet

[autumn nimbus]

non k

[karmic wedge]

Yeah TrueNAS looks ideal for that system, especially given the amount of drive bays

If you have a 3D printer, see if you can make 5.25"-to-3.5" drive bays and fit even more drives lol

[autumn nimbus]

I'll need a proper psu to get that many drives into it

[karmic wedge]

Worth it imo

What kinda of power does that PSU outage? (I can't read the side very well)

[autumn nimbus]

350, not much

[karmic wedge]

Yeah definitely upgrade that lmao

[autumn nimbus]

other way I could do it is by getting an external bay, but that's dollars that could go to psu

[karmic wedge]

Yeah I'd just get a cheap Corsair CX550M or something (idk if they still make those)

[autumn nimbus]

2021 models

the cx650m is available for 75 buck

[karmic wedge]

That sounds like an okay price

Sounds properly adjusted for inflation lol. I remember getting mine for like $50 when I first got it. First PSU and it's still used for a server (I really should swap it though because it's seen A LOT of hardware configurations over the past nine years 💀)

[autumn nimbus]

for now all it's going to do is have a 1tb pool which isn't much lmao

2 1tb drives mirroring each other? idk

maybe I could do two pools with 4 drives

with a new psu

what I don't have currently is any mounting screws lmao

I ordered a screw/hardware box but it went out of stock and they canceled the order

[karmic wedge]

bruh

Other kits shouldn't be too expensive though tbh

[autumn nimbus]

it's ridiculous seeing computer screw kits that don't come in full multiples of drives

I don't want 10 hard drive screws, that just means I can mount two

[autumn nimbus]

there really aren't that many decent psus available atm that have more than 6 sata powers

https://tenor.com/view/cat-running-running-man-running-away-gif-21987958

well maybe a silverstone essential

has 8

[olive mist]

Bit skeptical about silverstone

How's their psus in the server space

[autumn nimbus]

idk

essential is b on the spl

the one I looked at anyway

better than the other stuff I would consider

it's all c or c minus

tbf they are 40 or 50 bucks, essential is 70 or so

[olive mist]

Oh not bad

I'd be comfy running that 24/7

[autumn nimbus]

but muh power billz ,':)

[olive mist]

Well

Depends on how much it draws on average

If 99% of the time it's sitting idle

It's not going to be that bad

[autumn nimbus]

ideally I would like it to wake on lan when asked of, and otherwise just perform its disk health checks on a schedule

[olive mist]

Good idea for a backup server

[autumn nimbus]

Yay it likes the ram

Oops I set the date wrong

[autumn nimbus]

I was hoping the capture card would be fine for accessing the bios but it's really hit or miss :')

[autumn nimbus]

@olive mist :3

I plugged it directly into my computer

I was trying with the switch I got but it refused to deliver a web interface IP address when it was in between the two

I got it connected from wondows ICS so I assume it has internet access

[olive mist]

Based

Can you run docker on that

[olive mist]

Managed?

[autumn nimbus]

unmanaged

pretty sure

5 port lil guy

[olive mist]

That's peculiar

[autumn nimbus]

I guess I can't do that 😭

[olive mist]

It should just work

[autumn nimbus]

arggh

[olive mist]

What switch is it?

[autumn nimbus]

linksys se3005

[olive mist]

What if it's a routing problem hmm

Do you have dhcp enabled or something

[autumn nimbus]

I'm not sure

[olive mist]

Try setting a static ip on the server

[autumn nimbus]

do I gotta go look for that via windows or on the modem's gateway?

[olive mist]

I'd set it on the server

It's a good idea to set a static ip for servers anyways

[autumn nimbus]

tru

when I had the switch in between the two computers, it said the cable was unplugged

when they were both socketed properly

[olive mist]

The switch said that?

Sounds like the switch is doing some shenanigans

Could be a switch issue

[autumn nimbus]

in the windows network connections

[olive mist]

Oh

Hmm

[olive mist]

Was it the right ip address tho

Uh

[autumn nimbus]

on the ethernet thing, it was disconnected

[olive mist]

How are you connecting to it

Do you have a router

[autumn nimbus]

ethernet directly lol

[olive mist]

Wait

So the server isn't plugged into LAN

On your router

[autumn nimbus]

I didn't wanna put a wifi card in the server

don't have room for it to be wired :(

via modem

[olive mist]

You can probably get a router

And use it as a repeater

That's what I do

[autumn nimbus]

like it takes the wifi signal and ethernets it?

[olive mist]

lil beryl just goes into the switch

I think what's happening

Is that there's no DHCP server

[autumn nimbus]

yeah probably

[olive mist]

Because you don't have a router doing router things here

My devices are still managed by the router's DHCP server

[autumn nimbus]

I was looking at someone's guide of setting up ICS and they said it should show a window that tells you the IP address of the shared internet

and that just didn't happen

[olive mist]

I mean

It's probably supposed to be connected to a network

I'd try hooking the server up to LAN

That'd probably fix most of your problems

[autumn nimbus]

yeah

it works as it is at least lol

only accessible via my computer I guess, but working

I hope the switch can still work at least

I can return it if not

the thing that people were saying was wrong was when somebody would use realtek nics that were on the motherboard and such, which this one is exactly that

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/106t4gb/truenas_scale_error_the_web_interface_could_not/

like this

or rather when the same post was put on r truenas

https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/106t1co/web_interface_could_not_be_accessed_error_new_to/

[olive mist]

I'm pretty sure it's a networking issue

Rather than a nic or switch issue

If you have a spare router

You can test it by plugging the switch into the router

And then connecting the two

[autumn nimbus]

no spare router </3

maybe I could plug my laptop and all in one computer into it downstairs

or another laptop

[olive mist]

You can probably use a laptop as a DHCP server

For a LAN

[autumn nimbus]

why not this puter :3

[olive mist]

Because when you turn it off

The DHCP server goes off

[autumn nimbus]

well it didn't dhcp anyway

[olive mist]

It's probably not set up as a DHCP server

Usually the router does that

Which... There is none

[autumn nimbus]

I'll have to test if the switch is working at least

[olive mist]

Yeah what you could do is set up a laptop as a DHCP server and plug everything into the switch

[autumn nimbus]

can take the switch and some puter downstiars and set them up at the modem

[olive mist]

The laptop should route the traffic

[olive mist]

That also works

[tardy flower]

chat, is this a good router? gonna replace the spectrum router

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-AX1800-Router-RT-AX1800S-Subscription-Free/dp/B09M9477NS/

[glass moat]

for a bit more you can get the openwrt one

fully open source btw

[autumn nimbus]

My linksyst se3005v2 no worky </3

Tested to see if I could use Ethernet at my laptop through the switch from the modem

No sign of life

Just the blue led on the front of it blinking regularly with none of the ports blinking

I guess I need to talk to the seller about it and then arrange return

[autumn nimbus]

I think the power supply that came with is inappropriate for it

though idk

the supply says 5.9v 1a

the switch says it's rated for 12v 0.5a

these things can't step up to 12v from 6v can they?

[glass moat]

yeah that's a doubling in voltage
possible but usually the operating voltage range is within like a volt or 2 at most from a dc power supply unless explicitly said that it could do a wider range

which from what i see it doesn't

[autumn nimbus]

yep,,,

I had a 12v 1a ac adapter on hand from a yamaha keyboard, the switch is happy with it

[karmic wedge]

@olive mist @west cape Which MC version should I use?

Probably for Vanilla. I might make a BMC5 server later too though

@west cape send me a friend request. I wanna make a group with you, Vim, and I (for the MC server of course)

[west cape]

Not a big deal as long as it’s not past 1.21.4

So I guess .4 why nit

[west cape]

Alr

[karmic wedge]

@limber hill

[karmic wedge]

@turbid sonnet come get this poop sniffer

[turbid sonnet]

@karmic wedgeThanks

[hollow fractal]

Any recommendations for 4 bay drive I have been looking not sure if I should go with tower or something smaller

Lots and lots of photos

I want to see if there is any safe remote versions so we can use it out of state

[hollow fractal]

So many pictures..

[olive mist]

I'm confused

Are you trying to digitise these photos and put it on a NAS?

Or is it just unrelated

[hollow fractal]

Putting them into a nas 4 bay but also digitizing them 😭 my sister is sorting them

[olive mist]

So why do you need four drive bays exactly

Redundancy?

[hollow fractal]

Ya pretty much

Photos going back to 1945 and older

We are basiccly doing Photos that we had and at my grandparents house because then we can give out to family and friends

So we have at lest a centralized?

Otherwise people will take pictures and never give them back and such

I'm trying to find a way remote access as well 😅 because the photos came from my grandparents house who passed away so there are photos of everyone

[olive mist]

At that point you should just custom build one

Used optiplex + a couple of drives

Quite cheap

I'd look for a modern cpu though

To minimise power consumption

[hollow fractal]

I have drives it just the building part other being small compared to a full desktop

But price wise looks like desktop is cheaper

[olive mist]

There's also practicality aspects to consider

Desktop is more flexible

[hollow fractal]

That as well

I just have to figure out how to set it up as a a nas because that stuff I have no clue like Linux or is there a another methods so anyone can turn it on and use it at home

[olive mist]

There's a lot of options

I personally use Openmediavault (Debian based)

But other people here might have other suggestions

[feral eagle]

actually I'm thinking about building a new server aiming for efficiency this time around

[olive mist]

n100? 👀

[feral eagle]

Maybe not that low power

[olive mist]

Regular alder lake?

What's your current server

You might be able to get away with freq limiting it

[feral eagle]

Im on like ivy bridge i think

Lol

Rn i idle at ~140w. Im just going to move over the gpu and network cards

[glass moat]

idk what your gpu is but it's probably like a third of that power

[olive mist]

Oh wtf

I'm on haswell and skylake

Yeah even upgrading to 6-8th gen would be decent

I recommend coffee lake because cheap 6 cores

[feral eagle]

it's pretty efficient but ye gpu takes up a bit. intel a310

what if i used the 9900k in my desktop rn 😳

[olive mist]

Honestly could be mitigated by just getting a better cpu

If the iGPU doesn't matter as much you might be able get away with an older cpu

That also happens to be low power

[feral eagle]

I think rn i just do a lot of transcoding with the gpu

[olive mist]

n100 might be best if you don't need the cpu tbh

[feral eagle]

I feel like that might be underpowered, at least in the ram sector but idk this is what I run

as well as a vm for music server

[olive mist]

Hmm

Yeah coffee lake would be a good alternative then

Not the most efficient but it's cheap

[feral eagle]

either way im gonna have to figure out what im gonna do about the drives

[hollow fractal]

n150?

i'm just wondering if my board will show up or not now that i bought it😅

[olive mist]

Doesn't really solve the ram limitation issue

The chip's more powerful sure but ram is a bigger factor here

[karmic wedge]

Rip to this channel

[crisp shadow]

Fr

[west cape]

[gloomy stump]

cats can't smoke

D:

[west cape]

What a waste of energy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhqoTku-HAA

[west cape]

https://nztcdn.com/files/6daf5d6f-0fce-44da-8153-cc1ea535ccd1.webp

[gloomy stump]

NOOOO!! D: DON'T DO IT CAT! HAVE CAT NIP INSTEAD

[west cape]

Smoked in 3 puffs

Impressive

[crisp shadow]

All for a crap ton of approximate intelligence

[west cape]

You are absolutely correct!

[toxic inlet]

Any recommendations for a mesh system that doesn't have buffer bloat? Got three Google Mesh Pros (WiFi 6e version) right now, it's horrible when I'm on Zoom.

Internet is only gigabit, however I would prefer to have support for 2+ if it's not insanely expensive.

Or maybe there's an option I can change to try to fix it? Zoom just brings it to its knees.

[crisp shadow]

Lmao

[glass moat]

cat bong

[frosty rover]

0.0

[crisp shadow]

@limber hill missed one

[crisp shadow]

who keeps sending stuff here

[fresh matrix]

Bots

[crisp shadow]

same as #no-mic-chat ig

[glass moat]

Bots send a single message in every channel they have perms for

Some server owners are making channels that insta Ban if you send something in it to get rid of those bots automatically

[crisp shadow]

Oooh

Let's do that

[glass moat]

lets have a channel at the very bottom of the channel list named "hell" and everyone that talks there is damned forever

[crisp shadow]

Nah cuz the bots go top to bottom

[glass moat]

True but I don't want to see the channel

Or actually

Maybe we can have it at the top of the list but hid it for anyone with regular or higher

Though...

Sometimes regular roles get hacked too

And even vip sometimes

I don't think I've seen any higher role get hacked though

Just vip and below

[crisp shadow]

Yeah idk why but it's always the nobodys

[crisp shadow]

@turbid sonnet

Kick his butt into next freaking month

[crisp shadow]

@limber hill here and #no-mic-chat

[crisp shadow]

@turbid sonnet

[hollow fractal]

is Truenas scale a good os server for starters becuase if i'm doing everything by hand i might need help

someone suggested another linux one a while back but forgot which one i have never used anything linmux before

o wait nevermind it's TrueNAS Community Edition (CE) now

[glass moat]

There's truenas, openmediavault, rockstore for open source
And then unraid for paid

[hollow fractal]

Ok thank you

[glass moat]

In terms of ease of starting.... I don't think any option is "hard" and they all have good documentation

[hollow fractal]

o ok thanks

[feral eagle]

Truenas isn’t too difficult to setup, just have to take the time to read through the documentation as mr man said

Maybe the most difficult thing would be file permissions if you are doing multi user?

[hollow fractal]

And that's the issiue for me reading 💀

I'm the one type who does the quick setup then changes it later

I'm a visual learner so I have been watching YouTube videos

[humble lark]

ive got a pretty long question. ive gotta start it with my reasoning though. Im setting up my laptop as a server for really whatever i wanna experiment with. truenas was the first option since almost everyone talks about it and having network storage would be pretty nice. i also heard that its got docker so you can install alot of other stuff if you want. in mind i only have game servers for testing right now. im looking around and it seems like other people dislike this configuration because of how much ram truenas needs. some recommend 16gb as a base but say that only 8 is actually needed. so instead of truenas i see people running truenas in proxmox. my main question is if i run truenas in proxmox then would the 8gb minimum allocated to it be exclusively for truenas?? whereas if i just ran truenas alone but used docker in it would the docker containers be able to pull from the 16gb pool of my laptop as needed?

[feral eagle]

Imo it would probably be more resource efficient to run truenas baremetal but the ram usage depends on your config. It is typically recommended to start with 16gb of ram or 8 as a bare minimum. The more storage you have in your zfs array the more ram is recommended and some features are also more ram intensive

Proxmox is nice but yes you would have to set up a vm for truenas that would lock in that ram as opposed to docker which shares resources with the host

[real jackal]

Hello, need some help what i can do with this laptop as far as for using it to start a server. It is a HP Notebook - 15-db0043nr. Processor: AMD A4-9125 (2.3GHz)
Graphics: AMD Radeon R3 Graphics
Memory: 4GB DDR4-1866 RAM

the hard drive is damaged cuz when i boot i get an error code that it is failing

i plan to replace it with a new 1TB plus i also want to add a 256 SSD since that is the max it can hold. I also plan to upgrade the RAM to 16GB. I wanted to see if maybe i can start a jellyfin server with this. OS would be TRUENAS. Also wanted to try mabye having it run pihole ad blocker, and maybe home assist

thoughts?

[feral eagle]

The most demanding app would be jellyfin which you may be able to use the gpu with. Though with only 2 drives, one needed for boot, you will not have redundancy in the event of a drive failure

Unless you want zfs or the nas storage capabilities of truenas. You might just want to run a hypervisor like proxmox and run the apps in a lxc container or vm. Both would have some learning curve to them

[real jackal]

so there is not an easy choice then

[karmic wedge]

You won't be able to run much with that. Even Windows would be a struggle to run

@real jackal If you really want to get into self hosting on the cheap, look into anything with an Intel N-series CPU. Go for something like an N100, N150, or N300

[glass moat]

excavator athlon dual core.... i dont think it's worth upgrading
i agree with motor with recommending you buy a mini pc (something like a hp pro/elitedesk or such would be pretty good)

for a nas though, even mini pcs arent really ideal

[karmic wedge]

Yeah I'd just get a whole new PC. That laptop isn't even worth using for anything. It'll just cause more frustration than usability, no matter what you do with it lol

[real jackal]

ok thank you for advance

now i know not to put money into it lol

sounds like i should trash it then

[real jackal]

do you recommond any?

[karmic wedge]

Beeline S12 Pro. It comes with an N100. But you should also look at their other PCs to see if there's something that fits your specs requirements and budget better

[real jackal]

well i do have any specs requirements yet since i am just starting it

[karmic wedge]

TrueNAS would be a bit of a stretch for any starter server imo. But you should be able to run Jellyfin and an ad blocker with ease with that thing

[real jackal]

ok i will look into that

[upbeat crag]

Hey

Do you have any ideas for what to do with:

[glass moat]

there isnt really much you can do with that
at least for most residential plans

just stream or something

it's honestly way overkill

[upbeat crag]

Yeah I know but it's only like 72$ a month including a streaming service

I'm saying only

Because it's considered cheap

For that kind of speed

[glass moat]

that's a pretty decent deal tbh

[upbeat crag]

Yeah I really don't need more than 1Gbps 2.5Gbps

But it's cool to download GTA 5 in 5 minutes lol

[upbeat crag]

Yeah that's what I thought

I guess I could host a plex server and stream to multiple people at 4K at the same time

With that kind of speed

[karmic wedge]

Idk man that seems pretty slow ngl. Might be kinda hard to watch YouTube at 480p tbh

[blazing bluff]

Not sure if this is the place to ask but I'm trying to switch ISP, does anyone have any tips on how to switch?

Like which websites I should use to shop for different providers

And buying vs renting modems

[feral eagle]

you could try a site like this https://broadbandnow.com/

hopefully they shouldn't be charging you rental fees. but regardless I would rather buy my own router then theirs since they are often really crappy

[glass moat]

buy like 99% of the time

[fresh matrix]

What isp are you atm?

And where are you located?(general location, don’t doxx yourself)

[blazing bluff]

Spectrum in CA

It's really pricey 😭 It's like 90ish used to be like 50 ish for 300mbps? Now they are 400mbps but I feel like it's the same as 300mbps.

[blazing bluff]

They are 😭 It's like 10$ per month

I'm getting fed up, I just haven't gotten to it because I was away from home for a bit, should have tried to switch sooner tbh.

[true venture]

I personally love Spectrum.

I used it in Truckee, CA.

Pros/Cons:

• Very expensive
• Great customer service
• Reliable internet
• Good routers with a good UI in my experience.

[true venture]

If you are switching I suggest Buying a router and the ISPs available to you will vary widely based on where you are at in California.

[true venture]

Spectrum is charging you for a router???

I was paying about $100/mo for Unlimited 1Gbps in Truckee, California with them. No router fees other than the initial installation.

This was 2022.

[fervent stump]

Hey y'all. I ain't too sure if this is the right place to ask, but I've been running a second router off my main router for years. I stopped for a few weeks because the LAN cable to the second router died. Now I set it up again but the main router has NO INTERNET, while the second router does work.

How the hell do I fix this?

The internet also goes out quite frequently on the secondary router.

[glass moat]

if you are bridging the network instead of using a dual nat, if you have 2 dhcp servers running, that may cause issues

i assume you want to use the 2nd router as a wap since you are connecting to both networks, so basically you have the first main router set as a router, then connect the 2nd router to the first with the lan ports, and disable the dhcp server on the 2nd router, and set it to be in the same subnet.
some routers have a mode you can switch to though, which then you enable access point mode and connect the cable to the wan port (though check the manual of the 2nd router to see if it wants something different)

[fresh matrix]

@fervent stump

[fervent stump]

I dont have the manual for the second router, sadly. But I'll try everything you said tomorrow. It's currently 1am where I live and I've got to sleep lol. I'll keep ya posted if it works or not. Thank you!

[glass moat]

you should be able to find the manual online if you look up the model, but you probably wouldnt need to use it

[jovial bolt]

Is SQM worth using on home network with constant lag spikes or should I look into buying a gaming router ?

I’m having constant I’m assuming buffer bloat where my ping will randomly jump from 40-60 ping to 200+ causing stuttering.

I’m on Ethernet and wifi seems to be better which is usually the other way around lol

[glass moat]

short answer: "gaming" routers arent worth it, if possible, see if your current router supports openwrt or ddwrt, and use cake qos

if wifi is better, check your cable to see if you're using at least cat5e, cat5 had some crosstalk issues and some older installations may still have just cat5

you can test bufferbloat with an online tool

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat

[jovial bolt]

I get considered a caution logo for gaming, I use cat 6 cable and my router is a eero box

[glass moat]

do you have a screenshot of the results though

[glass moat]

Cable internet I presume? (coaxial)
Your unloaded (best case scenario) latency is a little higher than ideal, though you might not have the SQM setup on your router or it's not good enough
Make sure that it's set to games if possible to make sure your router priorities those packets

[jovial bolt]

currently sqm on at this moment

and yes its coax

[glass moat]

try doing a test with it on and one with it off to see what difference it made

[jovial bolt]

its around the same

maybe a few ping difference

always has low latency on gaming

[glass moat]

i guess it might just be a bad sqm algo? it is strange that it didnt really make a difference

unless the bufferbloat is coming from the ISP

[jovial bolt]

that's why Im wondering if using a gaming router may help

[glass moat]

that could be a cause of consistent latency increases

gaming routers would unlikely make a difference
the site does recommend the eero 6 pro for their sqm so assuming yours even has a similar quality, then it might be an ISP issue
you could potentially call their tech support line about the latency increases under load so they could investigate on their end

[jovial bolt]

yeah I'll try calling tmr when they open

trying to see what model eero I have

[feral eagle]

and this is an eero router not ap right? I think they are one of the ones that make a lot of mesh systems

[jovial bolt]

Mine is the Eero 6

I have my regular router

Then it’s being I think bridged to the eero box

[jovial bolt]

I bought a router today to replace my eero one, does this seem better? Im getting a c still but all is passing

[glass moat]

Looking at the latencies, it had not improved by any significance, and could honestly be attributed to margin of error
If anything, the new router is worse (slightly higher loaded download latency, slightly lower download speed, higher latency spikes)

[jovial bolt]

Maybe it’s my Ethernet cable?

Maybe it’s not cat6

[glass moat]

You could try another cable in case

[jovial bolt]

other then that it has to be a isp issue which at that point I cant do anything

[glass moat]

But even if it's like cat5 not e, the symptoms of a bad cable is usually low speeds and potentially higher latency across the board, instead of 30 unloaded and 136 loaded

[jovial bolt]

cause we have the up to date top package

and even a expensive router didn't fix it

[glass moat]

Did you call the ISP
Usually it's an issue they can check on their end and fix within a day or 2 at most

[jovial bolt]

what should I tell them?

[glass moat]

Tell them that you're experiencing bufferbloat and have tried 2 different routers and there was little to no change to the loaded latencies, and then ask them to investigate if it's a problem on their end

[jovial bolt]

so what does does the unloaded stuff mean

and does lower or higher mean better

[glass moat]

For latency/ping, lower is better

[jovial bolt]

so isn't my unloaded being low better then it was before though

[glass moat]

Unloaded means the most ideal but unrealistic test of latency with very small data packets to see how long it takes for a packet to go round trip from your browser to the test server
Loaded is a more realistic representation of latency by sending larger packets (like if you're streaming video or playing an online game)

[jovial bolt]

like playing games my ping seems to be more stable and a bit lower

but arc still lags but I think it may just be a game sided issue

but bufferbloat site still says I have it

so I'll have to call isp tmr I guess

luckily I only paid 25$ for it since it was on clearance

[glass moat]

To be perfectly honest, a $20 (even if the original price was like $40) router is typically pretty shit lol

[jovial bolt]

I think original is 150$

This one is a ax3000

[glass moat]

what model?

[jovial bolt]

Linksys Hydra 6

[glass moat]

in that case there doesnt seem to be any glaring issues, though also relatively little test info on that specific router

[jovial bolt]

My guess is a isp issue

Maybe got us in a bad server or something maybe idk how it works

[feral eagle]

neat

[jovial bolt]

Screw you

Why is your upload so high lol

[feral eagle]

lol I have to brag when I can, I spent too much on networking equipment 😭

I have a symmetrical gigabit connection on fiber so the speed are pretty consistent

it's funny cuz I have a friend down the street from me with the same provider but their coax instead of fiber and he always complains about outages

[jovial bolt]

Which should I select?

[feral eagle]

you typically only want dhcp

[jovial bolt]

idk what the best settings to use on this router and what to keep off

[karmic wedge]

If you don't know what you're doing, keep everything at their default settings

@jovial bolt ^^

(Life lesson for anything tbh)

I just realized that this was last month. Man I haven't been in this server for a while lmao

[jovial bolt]

😂😂😂

I changed routers completely since 😂

[karmic wedge]

bruh 💀

How has it been?

[noble berry]

is the tplink ex920 axe7800 a good router? I want to replace my isp one and still keep one 2.5gig ethernet port and good wifi

found it used for 70€

[jovial bolt]

better found out most of our wifi issues was related to a broken main line from our provider

[karmic wedge]

Bruh

It's always the ISP's fault

[jovial bolt]

called and asked about any possible server issues and they sent a dude out and he saw the line broken and fixed it

our isp sucks

[karmic wedge]

Man wtf. They should be able to detect that lol

What ISP do y'all use?

[jovial bolt]

eastlink

[karmic wedge]

man what is that 😭

[jovial bolt]

not sure what the american equivalent is

it's a canadian provider

[karmic wedge]

I've never heard of Eastlink. It's either Canadian-specific or just some local provider

[jovial bolt]

yes canadian specific

it's like a child of bell

[glass moat]

Pretty much what I expected NGL lmao

I think all Canadian ISPs are only in Canada?

[jovial bolt]

The new router did increase the speeds exponentially though

Yes they are

Besides bell

Pretty sure America has bell

I think

LOL

[glass moat]

I don't think so?

[jovial bolt]

probably not

My new router gave me some qos options

Manages the many devices better

[glass moat]

Apparently Bell used to be owned by at&t

But is currently owned by a Canadian company

By used to, I mean up till 1975

Was owned by at&t/American Bell from 1880 till 1975

[feral eagle]

Everyone used to be owned by at&t

[noble berry]

just realized if I change my isp router I won't have rj11 ports for the voip phone. is there a simple solution other than keeping the isp router connected to the new one?

[glass moat]

that's tough
in your case, your router also acts as like a FXS gateway, and as far as i'm aware, there aren't really any drop in replacements for the isp provided one; you could buy 3rd party ones easily, but idk if your isp would sell anything like such

note that using like another service for the voip landline will often be cheaper than the ISP provided one

(from what i've seen here in canada, the isps are asking for anywhere around 15-20 dollars a month to add a landline)

and then the 3rd party may be as low as around 5 dollars a month

[noble berry]

in my case landline is included with the subscription. tbh I could just remove it since it gets used few times a year

I'll keep looking for cheap solutions if there are any

[glass moat]

You could ask the isp

They may not have a solution but they also might have one

[noble berry]

the isp customer support is rarely helpful and they take days to respond, I could use that time to look up solutions on my own

[glass moat]

Or you could do both

[noble berry]

I think I'll remove the landline phpne entirely anyways

I'll keep you updated on what I'll choose

[glass moat]

Alr

[real jackal]

Question what are some options I can do to provide more than 1.0gb to a laptop?

[glass moat]

Usb NICs I guess

Why do you want or need this though

[real jackal]

trying out networking and home server

i had a old hp laptop just laying around and i firgure i could use it to try out a home server without buying anything for now

[glass moat]

Gigabit speeds should be fine for most applications that you would use a laptop for honestly

[real jackal]

thought as much but i figure i ask wasn't sure if there was anything to improve from 1gb ethernet

thank you as always

[glass moat]

Usb NICs aren't expensive but if you're not limited by the gigabit port, you might as well just stick with it

[real jackal]

well i haven't started it yet i was just asking as for future proofing if i choice to contunie using it down the line

[glass moat]

Idk what your laptop specs are but especially for something like a Nas, which would benefit from higher networking speeds is much better on a desktop PC so that you can connect drives to it instead of using usb drives (which is more cursed and less reliable)

[real jackal]

The laptop would not be used for a Nas specs are bad for it I was thinking more simple apps like smart assist and maybe pihole just to start out and try

Plus it only has a 1tb hard drive and a 256 m.2 so not a lot of space for a nas

[glass moat]

Yeah both of those things would need not even 100mbps lol

[real jackal]

Oh good to know wasn't sure if I needed it or not lol

Thank you 👍

[crisp shadow]

idrk if this is the correct channel but like wtf

changing the cable doesn't help

wifi is even worse

my dad consistently gets 400Mb/s both ways so i know it's my computer(keep in mind this is also after having to replace the mobo)

[glass moat]

try on like speedtest.net or the bufferbloat test becuase this doesnt really say much about packet loss or latency or whatnot

the latency it does mention is just the unloaded latency

also this is the right channel indeed

[real jackal]

Another question so I have a 2tb external hard connected to a tplink router. It's so my wife can pass photos and videos while in the home. This tp link router is getting Ethernet provided to by a tplink switch. The tplink switch is then getting Ethernet provided to it by another tplink router. That also provided wifi to mostly everything in the household. If I wanted to open a port for remote connection to that 2tb which router should I do that?

Hopefully this makes sense lol

[glass moat]

That depends on how you connected the 2nd router and if it's configured to be a repeater/ap or if it's being used as another NAT router, but assuming you did configure it so that you only need to port forward the main router, I would still recommend using tailscale over port forwarding as it's more secure

[feral eagle]

I second the use of a vpn like tailscale over opening ports for remote connections

[real jackal]

So how do you add tail scale to a router?

[feral eagle]

tailscale is the solution I prefer but tp link routers do not support software like that at least that I know of. if you have storage attached to the router it is essentially acting as a nas where I would prefer to do on a separate system or single board computer like a raspberry pi in which case you can use pretty much any software you like.

With the current setup you probably would have to opt to setup a openvpn or wireguard server on the router which many routers do support. then you just have to setup the client on the phone or laptop you are using remotely

from what I am seeing there is a section in the routers advanced settings called VPN Server which is where any of these options would be setup

this is a guide I found on tp links website: https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/1239/

[real jackal]

Thank you very much greatly appreciate 🙏

[glass moat]

i was thinking of you using the laptop as a tailscale subnet router https://tailscale.com/docs/features/subnet-routers

[real jackal]

Your right I could do that

[noble berry]

both 200€: rog ax11000 pro or asus be92u? both deliver excellent performance but I'm struggling to choose between the two. be92u has a few extra nice features but seems less stable as it's newer, idk if all issues have been solved yet

[glass moat]

wifi 7 routers in general are not worth it currently https://youtu.be/-5o_Qu3XToQ

[noble berry]

I don't really care about wifi 7. I know both get to ~1.6gbps on wifi 6 5ghz close range, which is enough plenty. I was mainly looking at other specs like the slightly more feature rich interface on the rog vs the extra 2.5g ports on the be92u

I've seen a few reports about stability on the be92u but no idea if software updates fixed anything so far

[glass moat]

both support asus merlin firmware but neither support openwrt or ddwrt if that matters to you

[noble berry]

no, I'm ok with their stock firmware, it's good

[feral eagle]

these new wifi standards are evolving faster than the client devices are updating to support them

[noble berry]

I know, I'm just trying to figure out which ones best if they're both the same price

[glass moat]

looks like the ax is rated for higher bandwidth than the be

[midnight loom]

Exactly why i did not even bother with the newest wifi 7 routers. I snagged a 2021 Wifi 6 Asus Router on ebay that went for $200 new, got it for $40.

So much of what's come out in the last 5 years besides graphics cards has been the most minimal and unnoticeable of upgrades, see Peripheral Sales extreme slump from Mice to headsets, people realize that tech that came out 5 years ago is just as good as the stuff coming out now

Kind of like the apple phone, the only real point to upgrading at a certain point is so you can show off having the most expensive useless camera

[glass moat]

even things which would be a large upgrade are generally perfectly fine even if you don't

[midnight loom]

Ex: I hate the new solo pod headsets, I grabbed another brand new Jaybird X2 for $15, they retailed for $150 back when, sound is tuned still excellently compared to newer

Also Jaybird was a casualty of the Peripheral sales dropoff, nobody is buying headsets anymore when they last 5-10 years

[glass moat]

I have no idea what specifics you're talking about but audio quality has basically plateaued for at least 20 years, if not more
Only things that have improved since then is just wireless audio fr

[crisp shadow]

so I think my parental control software might be a security hazard

my folks use qustudio to time-limit and monitor my usage(dw I understand exactly why I need it and they have nought but good intent)

however

when it locks me out

it signs me out of my google accounts

this is quite annoying as it means i have to relog everyday, but I think it's also backdoorable

qustudio isn't written very well, it's laggy, sometimes just straight up doesn't work, and it's not hard to exploit from what I've found

so it's not a stretch to presume that there are some holes in the security

anyone have knowledge of how the code woks and what vulnerabilities there are so I know where to cover my bases?

[noble berry]

just got the ax11000pro 👀

perhaps temporarily

[glass moat]

i'm not familiar with any parental control software, but if you're sure that there's some serious security vulnerabilities (that don't require access to your LAN at least), it would be better to ask your parents to use some other software; i'm sure there's probably at least a few alternative options

[crisp shadow]

There are but they aren't free

[feral eagle]

No built in os parental controls?

[glass moat]

looks like there are a few flaws from this research study

[crisp shadow]

Nah

[crisp shadow]

Aight thx I'll pass it along

[glass moat]

Some of these proxies do not properly perform certifcate validation. For example, Qustodio and Dr. Web accepted intermediate certifcates signed with SHA1, despite the enhanced collision attack on SHA1 [42]

KidsPlace and Qustodio leak session authentication cookies via HTTP, with validity periods of one year and two hours respectively. Even with the 2-hour cookie in Qustodio, the attacker can easily access sensitive information about the child including the child’s current location, and history of movements. The attacker can also access remote control functions on the child phone, such as block all incoming/outgoing calls.

honestly, i don't think there needs to be like specific monitoring of apps and such

i think the ideal parental control would be to do 2 things

1. set time limits using built in parental controls (which most modern devices have)
2. set network filtering to block domains for the child client device

imo too much risk when you're using an online solution (especially free) to log everything your child is doing

only exception for the "free" is if it's FOSS

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_events/1582978/betrayed_by_the_guardian_-_security_and_privacy_risk_of_parental_control_solutions.pdf here's the paper btw

[feral eagle]

somehow I overloaded my router

[karmic wedge]

bruh what did you do

[feral eagle]

I really don't know. happened when I was downloading a game, capped out at ~600mbps and then things started braking

probably something to do with how I have the vlans configured along with ips/ids running and a few VPNs running some of which are receiving data 24/7

[fresh matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-down-pump-the-brakes-stop-chill-out-gif-20087795

[karmic wedge]

@wind vigil What advice do you need?

[quaint stirrup]

wrong ping btw

but

[karmic wedge]

Lmao whoops

[quaint stirrup]

At most 2 slots for HDD

1 SSD slot would be nice

and under 400 USD

or

12000 NTD

IDK about getting used stuff

[karmic wedge]

Ah gotcha. You mean a prebuilt NAS. Personally, I build my NASs. I'd consult Reddit to see what they'd say. They might say like Terramaster or Synology (probably Terramaster)

[quaint stirrup]

gotcha

[karmic wedge]

For used stuff, you can go to https://serverpartdeals.com/

[quaint stirrup]

A quick search tells me that Terramaster doesn't exist so some steps ona built NAS

?

[karmic wedge]

I forgot which prebuilt brands exist lol. Reddit probably has whole Excel document somewhere lol

[feral eagle]

not sure what exactly you are looking for but i'd also look at other options like qnap, ugreen, unifi, etc. synology has a history of trying to lock down what hard drives you can use and they ended up losing a lot of trust because of that

[feral eagle]

is anyone here familiar with hosting matrix servers? seems difficult to find any definitive info on it

[crisp shadow]

I want to

[karmic wedge]

Just use the LXC install

[feral eagle]

there is a lxc install of it?

[karmic wedge]

Synapse. Not barebones Matrix, but it runs off of Matrix
https://community-scripts.org/scripts/elementsynapse

That's what I use (though, nobody in my friendgroup using it yet because we're still on Discord for now lol)

[real jackal]

question i have a tplink router that is acting like a nas it two external drive connected to it. I want to mount it my casaos server. I used the webiste GUI to add the drive, but i am unable have some of apps read from this drives. How do i fix that?

[true venture]

Assuming you have a NVMe drive for your OS and probably games, would you rather have A or B in addition and why is that?

A - 2x3.5" (35mm thick) and 2x2.5" (9.5mm thick)

B - 1x3.5" (35mm thick), and 6x2.5" drives (9.5mm thick)

@karmic wedge @feral eagle @crisp shadow @glass moat

This is for the Portable PC I am designing which is 26.713L in size.

[glass moat]

what are the 3.5" drives going to be?

just hard drives?

[true venture]

HDDs, I personally don't use them but I am curious what folks who do use them use it for. All my storage is kept on high capacity nvme to conserve space.

[glass moat]

for a portable pc, i don't think hdds are needed to be considered due to their sensitivity to shocks

(kinetic shocks not electrical, though electrical would kill them as well probably lmao)

[true venture]

Gotcha, so just have one 3.5" slot for marketing purposes and if someone is trying to cheap out on bulk storage?

[glass moat]

i'd say so

some cases don't even include a drive cage anymore

[true venture]

I've noticed that.

[glass moat]

honestly if you could fit 2 3.5" drives without making the case larger than the option with 1, then it's fine to put 2 since you could put a 2.5" drive in it instead

but if it does need to be bigger, then might as well do the option with 1 since it's not as common to use a hdd anymore

[true venture]

Both A and B have the same case size

[glass moat]

hmm

[true venture]

I am simply trying to maximize usage of the space between the PSU cage and front intake.

[glass moat]

you could also try making it so that you can either use 2 3.5" drives or have it be a slightly more smaller but stackable like 3 or 4 2.5" drive bay?

though it depends on what orientation it is in so that you can get airflow through it

[true venture]

Issue is there isn't enough length to put them flat and rotating it sideways vertical speaking, will block the CPU rad intake on the left. Rotating to the right may interfere with motherboard pins.

The front and top fan intakes will ensure the drives get some airflow

If I opt for only 2.5" drives I can squeeze in a dozen of them by laying them down flat though idk what someone is going to do with a dozen 2.5" drives in a portable PC.

@glass moat

[glass moat]

lmao

realistically, most users probably would only have a m.2 drive and that is enough
maybe just one more 2.5" drive if their mobo doesnt support it

[true venture]

Mind if I get your thoughts on the part support currently?

[true venture]

Agreed, so I guess option B is the best balance then.

[glass moat]

yeah i guess

[true venture]

26.713L or 290x220.5x414mm

MOTHERBOARD:

• ATX
• mATX
• iTX

GRAPHICS CARD:

• 4 slots depth
• 155mm height (includes power cable)
• 384mm length

ADD-IN-CARDS

• Unlike the Meshroom s v2 this case has PCIe slots available when a full size (4 slot) GPU is in use. 7 to be exact. 2.5" and 3.5" drives affect the available length.

RADIATOR 120-360 side mounted:

• 402 length
• 85mm depth with fans.
• 125mm width

FANS:

• Top 2x120
• Front: 3x120
• Side: 3x120 (where the radiator goes)

COOLER HEIGHT:

• ~105mm with a 4 slot (80mm thick) GPU.

POWER SUPPLY:

• SFX
• SFX-L PSU

Storage:

• 6x 2.5"
• 1x 3.5"

@glass moat

The radiator and GPU are placed vertically and parallel with the front side panel to maximize space. The panel that's usually Tempered Glass to look at the parts for context.

What are your thoughts and do you see anywhere for improvement?

[crisp shadow]

B

[karmic wedge]

If the 2.5" drives are SSDs, I'd go with route B. 2.5" hard drives are much slower on average than 3.5" drives

[true venture]

Route B it is.

[glass moat]

It could be whatever you want to put in it; they're just designing a portable PC case

Both options have more drive slots than anyone would use typically anyways

[gritty radish]

Anyone have experience with these things? I loved it when the company hadn’t tanked yet. Any alternatives?

[feral eagle]

Can’t say I’ve heard of them. Was there something specific about them you liked?

[gritty radish]

It was a hardware-based privacy and internet security plus ad-control device with network-wide functionality. It used some sort of tor feature to create anonymity for basically network shrouding in a massive network of fractured data.

It sped up our network by also blocking specific data and network access attempts from ad providers before they reached our computers.

Closest I’ve seen in Pangolin security. Pangolin’s not based on privacy as much as security... but Winston offered legit features for totally blocking Facebooks’s trashy bloat.

[glass moat]

you could use pihole plus mullvad vpn on the router (you'll need to use a router that supports openwrt or such, asus merlin firmware should also support it)
and make sure to also use a privacy browser such as mullvad browser or tor browser

[feral eagle]

I know a lot of openwrt based routers like on gl inet's product lines have built in vpn support, tor, dns based ad blocking with adguard, etc but somethings like ad blocking is better done from within the browser

[glass moat]

adguard/pihole ad blocking gets blocked by less sites in my experience

i go on some blogs and it detects my adblocker when i use a browser adblocker, but not when i use a dns adblocker

[quaint stirrup]

Anyone have reccomendations for a mini PC under 250 that has a PCIE X4 slot for a LP SD card reader ?

also Just intrested

how does one make a Homemade NAS

[glass moat]

cheapest way to do it would probably to get a HBA or DAS from ebay, and use an old office pc running truenas or other NAS os

i would recommend having at least 3 drives for any nas though so that you can use raid 5

raid 1 is not worth it typically because you'll only get half of the storage you pay for

and i also wouldn't recommend no form of redundancy

with 3 disk raid 5, you'll have 2/3 of the storage you paid for

though if you get 4 disks, you'll have 3/4 of the storage you paid for

[quaint stirrup]

whats a DAS

[glass moat]

but the risk of 2 drives dying increases, so at some point of expanding the amount of disks you have, you should do raid 6, which is 2 drives worth of space used for parity data

DAS is direct attach storage

[quaint stirrup]

How does the softwere/ connection part work

[glass moat]

basically a dumb drive enclosure that connects to your pc, though a DAS typically does RAID on itself, which is sometimes less ideal

[quaint stirrup]

Wait if I do that am I able to like connect to Mac or phones ?

[glass moat]

depends on the filesystem written to it ig

a das is definitely less convenient if you need to access the files from multiple devices and want it always online

it is best to use a HBA so that the NAS os can check the health of the drives, while on a DAS (that might be using raid) would only report as a single drive on the system, so if something fails, you might not be notified

[quaint stirrup]

This would be intresting to learn huh

[glass moat]

though it is worth noting that some enclosures have a JBOD (just a bunch of disks) mode which does report all the disks, but you need to specifically look for a DAS that has that feature

[quaint stirrup]

I might just get a prebuilt NAS and learn more of this in the future I'm ngl

I'm like

Busy for the next 2 years

[glass moat]

if you have an old pc you don't really use lying around that also isnt ancient (so that it is more efficent), getting a hba + like 3 drives should not be too expensive

the basic configuration for a NAS is very simple

the OS does it all for you pretty much

[quaint stirrup]

nope I don;t have anything like thag

School doesn't like to give us stuff

[feral eagle]

building a nas is essentially building a pc but with slightly different hardware to accomodate more drives, or network cards and such depending on what your needs are. for a basic nas setup really you just need a functioning pc and some drives

[quaint stirrup]

nor used stuff

[glass moat]

actually yeah most mobos support enough drives to not even need a hba

only like OEM ones don't or microatx ones

if you get an ATX mobo, chances are they have at least 4 sata ports

if not 8

[feral eagle]

yeah hba is nice if you need a lot of drive or use sas drives or something. problem with many drives is now you need to find a case to fit all of them lol

[glass moat]

lmao

you could 3d print something to hold them ig

[quaint stirrup]

Jonsbo NV10 and Framework 12

[glass moat]

assuming you have a 3d printer

[quaint stirrup]

I have like

4 tb combined

and a 250gb HDD

[glass moat]

it's worth noting that getting a prebuilt nas typically does not include any drives outside of a small disk for OS (and sometimes it doesnt even have that)
you'd probably be spending like $200-300 on a small prebuilt NAS + another $500-800 on drives if you get higher capacity stuff

[quaint stirrup]

so like

[feral eagle]

that reminds me i 3d printed a phone holder for my car and it's holding up surprisingly well

[glass moat]

i wonder how long most 3d printed filaments hold up to UV exposure

[feral eagle]

damn, bots say you send message too fast

[glass moat]

there's probably tests out there

yeah they were listing things one message per item 💀

you should be listing things in new lines in the same message like

• here is item 1
• and this is item 2
• this is item 3
• and how about an item 4
• perchance

[quaint stirrup]

how do I do like the bulletpoint part though

[feral eagle]

I am concerned about the heat in the summer but we'll see. I printed it out of petg-cf so maybe it can survive a bit longer?

[glass moat]

i have no idea about how different polymers react

[feral eagle]

I only remember bullet point is opt + 8 on mac, idk about windows. to line break you just hit shift+enter

[quaint stirrup]

So

• A620 ITX ? with 3400G
• https://www.jonsbo.com/en/products/N3.html in this
• Get some HDD
• Job done ?

[glass moat]

it probably would be better than pla at least which is probably the worst for this

[glass moat]

needs a space directly after the -

[quaint stirrup]

• like this ?

Ah

[quaint stirrup]

So is this correct or ?

like how my thought process is making the NAS

[glass moat]

also yeah that seems like it would work as long as you find an ITX board with 8 sata ports
or you could get a 8 port sata HBA

[quaint stirrup]

Surely there could be a adapter for it

Maybe I'll get a MATX one

[glass moat]

looking at pcpp, most sata ports on an am4 itx mobo is 4 sata ports, so you'll need an hba for that case

[quaint stirrup]

remind me what's a HBA again sorry

[glass moat]

host bus adapter

[quaint stirrup]

I see

[glass moat]

it basically adds more sata or sas ports to your pc

[quaint stirrup]

What about LGA 1700

[glass moat]

itx? or matx?

matx looks like it has a few boards out there with 8 sata ports

though realistically are you making your first nas have 8 drives?

[quaint stirrup]

ITX

[quaint stirrup]

na like 3 drives max

[glass moat]

ok if you only need 3-4 drive bays, then both am4 and lga1700 has itx mobos with 4 sata ports

any future expansion would require a hba

[quaint stirrup]

Gotcha

• AM4 ITX ASROCK B550M ITX AC
• Jonsbo N2
• 300W PSU ?
• I need a OS reccomendatioN
• Does SSD work in a NAS like this ?

[glass moat]

yes, ssds will work, and would be faster

it is worth noting that SSDS tend to have a more... uhh how do you say this... similar lifespan? so normally in datacenters, ssds will have more importance with a staggered install so that they all have different ages, so they don't die all at once
hdds tend to die more randomly so deploying them at the same time is generally not an issue

[quaint stirrup]

I see

I was Just asking a double checking

OH THIS IS PERFECT

If i Have a ITX board NAS then that also means I get to have a PCIE SD card reader

[glass moat]

in terms of os.... maybe compare between truenas or openmediavault, both are free

[glass moat]

hmm, though most itx boards only have a single pcie slot though no? an HBA if you want to expand in the future, will need to use the pcie slot

[quaint stirrup]

are does Linux Distors or ?

[glass moat]

also why don't you use a usb sd card reader? sd cards are slow enough that it will never be able to saturate the 5gbps interface of usb 3

[quaint stirrup]

Intresting I might just get a USB SD card readear

[glass moat]

they are linux based i believe

[quaint stirrup]

Do HDD models matter that much ?

[glass moat]

ideally you have NAS rated drives, which are meant for 24/7 operation in proximity with other drives

but for a small case like this, regular hdds should probably be fine

you just want them to all be the same size though

[feral eagle]

most servers run on linux distros, many are configured through webui's I really like truenas but it depends on what your needs are

[glass moat]

capacity

[quaint stirrup]

OH I'll just ripp the HDD from my PS4

[glass moat]

arent those hdds kinda small though in terms of capacity
Actually aren't they also 2.5" hdds

[quaint stirrup]

ye

[glass moat]

i'd probably avoid 2.4" hdds since they tend to be slower

[quaint stirrup]

I'm thinking like 2 tb in total

Or 3tb

[glass moat]

though it's also fine if you must ig

if you have mismatched drives though, assuming you go with my recommended raid 5 approach, you would be limited to the smallest drive for the raid pool

[quaint stirrup]

Do you need to buy HDD from the same brands or >

[glass moat]

no

[quaint stirrup]

yay

How does HDD health work ?

[glass moat]

if you don't need redundancy and have at least 1 backup of any important data, you could just do drive pooling instead of raid, which would give you the full storage of the drives, but if any one drive dies, all the data on that one drive will be lost

[feral eagle]

yeah like this

i plan on replacing the smaller one eventually

[glass moat]

there's not really any easy way to measure that, they just fail when they do

they show signs of drive failure but there's no like health bar that actually is accurate

it's either working perfectly, dying, or dead

the 3 states of hdds

[quaint stirrup]

Oh I'm using this to like

Save Camera photos

HDD once dead can be revived right ?

[glass moat]

technically speaking, yes

practically speaking, no

[quaint stirrup]

okay

is there a diffrence between
3.5 HDD for NAS
or
Normal 3.5 HDD

[feral eagle]

when hdd dead then hdd dead. in raid setups depending how you have it you can replace one and resilver it to the raid so everything is normal. if too many drives die at once though...

[glass moat]

reviving a hdd requires a donor hdd of the exact same model to take some parts out of to swap with the dead hdd

[quaint stirrup]

So how does one back up data ?
by saving it on another drive ?

[glass moat]

you'll expect to pay around $2k usd for this procedure

yes

ideally on a different drive on a different device

as a reminder, redundancy is not a replacement for backups

[quaint stirrup]

I see

[glass moat]

it just helps prevent data loss

[quaint stirrup]

So If I have 6 HDDs
3 HDDs should be used to backup data ?

[glass moat]

you only need to backup important data

irreplaceable data

[quaint stirrup]

Photos ARE irreplacable data

[glass moat]

yes

[quaint stirrup]

Again

[glass moat]

if you fill up 3 drives with irreplacable data, then you'll need to have a 2nd copy (or even a 3rd copy) of all that data

[glass moat]

there is a slight difference, though it is mainly that the hdd manufacturer validated it for use in a enclosure that is vibrating from all the other hdds in it, plus 24/7 use with alot more read and write cycles

[glass moat]

typically the way to go about this is the data you access most frequently would be stored in higher speed storage, like ssds
and the backups would be in slower storage, such as HDDs or archival tapes

SSDs/flash storage should not be used for backups though because of bit rot problems

[quaint stirrup]

and theortically In this build I'm only able to Connect to one PC at a time

[glass moat]

wdym?

[quaint stirrup]

Like

If I build this NAS how would I connect the NAS to my PCs

[glass moat]

a nas can have as many devices connected to it at the same time as long as the cpu can handle all that throughput of data

[quaint stirrup]

So if I carry this NAS to college maybe I can wirelessly connect to it on my laptop maybe ?

[glass moat]

the NAS os would be acting as a SAMBA server or uh... whatever windows's built in network storage standard was as well

depends on firewall rules in the college

[quaint stirrup]

well theortically it works right

[glass moat]

if you leave it at home (assuming you will still live at home) you should route the NAS onto tailscale so you can securely access your nas from outside of your home network

if you live in the dorms, you should also do that

most public networks have firewall rules that block connections such as a nas

[quaint stirrup]

what's a tailscale

[glass moat]

most places don't block tailscale vpn though

[glass moat]

it's basically a service that allows you to put your lan stuff accessible from outside your lan, but securly as you do not need to port forward or any of that

you access your network via a vpn

and it's routed through tailscale's network

[quaint stirrup]

Aight

I'll ask when the time comes again

[feral eagle]

hello people, looking for security systems for a 30-40 camera deployment. I'm seeing most recommend Axis or Avigilon. Just wanted to see if anyone here had any thoughts

[true venture]

@karmic wedge @wide flume do you guys have experience setting up a minecraft server? I am having a hard time trying to figure out why my port forward is not working. I am able to connect with Localhost.

I am on a Vsol router and here's the area for port forwarding to my understanding.

Stard/End port and Source port are set to 25565

Server IP is set to my pc

Protocol I have set to TCP/UDP

It requires me to put a EXTERNAL IP PREFIX LENGTH so i set that to 24 per google's recommendation

[wide flume]

Sorry, no

[karmic wedge]

Don't even bother with port forwarding. Just use Tailscale. Far more secure and miles easier to use

[true venture]

Gotcha.

[true venture]

I was recommended playitgg is that a good alternative as well?

Is tailscale linux only?

[karmic wedge]

It's good but it doesn't give you as much freedom

Though, it's easier to use if your server members aren't very technical

[karmic wedge]

Pretty much all platforms

[true venture]

Do you mind helping me in a vc real quick?

I have the NeoForge server installed, just need to solve this port issue.

[true venture]

Can you elaborate on this? Is it not as simple as punching in a IP like a normal server in MC?

[karmic wedge]

Can't do vc now. But yes it's basically just like entering an IP address

Install Tailscale on the same machine you're running the MC server on and share your (MC) node to your friends. They'd just enter the node's IP address

Super simple. If you've done maybe like a week's worth of studying networking, Tailscale will be a breeze

[true venture]

Oh ok

I will use tailscale per your recommendation then

It works!

Thank you

[karmic wedge]

Perfect 👍

[true venture]

this is the IP I copy and share yes?

I am connected to the server through it though my friends are not seeing the server.

[karmic wedge]

You have to share that node with your friends. They'll also install Tailscale during this process

That IP address isn't a public IP address btw

[true venture]

Oh they need to install it as well.

[karmic wedge]

Yes

[true venture]

I think I should use Playit then since they are by no means technical

[karmic wedge]

Might as well lol

[true venture]

yeah they are being pricks about getting tailscale

[karmic wedge]

Heaven forbid lollll

I feel that pain. One of my friends ended up buying a Realm for us to play on

Some of our friends are on console though (yes, this is BE)

[true venture]

Do you have any experience with PlayIt?

[karmic wedge]

Very little but it's way easier than Tailscale. Your friends won't have to use anything

I just like Tailscale for MC servers because it's free and mostly hosted yourself, also given that I already use it

[true venture]

fair, I loved how simple it was to get going

[karmic wedge]

If you do any other self hosted projects, I highly recommend Tailscale

[true venture]

any idea what's wrong?

PlayItGG

[karmic wedge]

I wouldn't know. I don't use PlayItGG lol

[true venture]

I think I got it working

I made a mistake on the previous setup

[true venture]

Got it working, me and 3 other friends were playing without issue.

[feral eagle]

Running a mc server i somehow convinced a lot of my friends to install tailscale. Not all of them are very technical but they all got it working without my help

[crisp shadow]

Tailscale screwed my internet

[feral eagle]

In what way did it manage to do that

[crisp shadow]

My upload used to be 50-100Mb/s

Now I'm lucky if it goes higher than 1 Mb/s

[feral eagle]

well that doesn't sound right. you have an exit node enabled?

[crisp shadow]

Idk

Even after logging everything out of it, resetting dns, and deleting my account it still doesn't get close to 10

I would say it's a port issue but it started at almost exactly the same time I got it

[feral eagle]

hmm ye it sounds like it could be something else that happened to occur at the same time

[crisp shadow]

Oh and also it followed me onto my next mobo

And I know it's not a router or cable problem, wifi gets about 200 up and down, my dad gets 400 both ways, and I've tried it with a different cable

[feral eagle]

Windows?

[crisp shadow]

Yeah

[glass moat]

tailscale shouldn't really do that, something else definitely happened at the same time coincidentally

"followed me onto my next mobo" did you reinstall windows at all?

or at least reinstall wlan drivers

er

lan drivers

[crisp shadow]

No I just put my old drive in

I can try reinstalling it later

[true venture]

Some of my friends are so lazy they can't be bothered to put mods in a mod folder 🤦‍♂️

Literally spent like 20n asking me for a CurseForge pack code instead of spending 3m to download the 4 mods I sent him and put it in the mod folder which I provided instructions on how to do in CurseForge.

.

Side note, the server has been working great with PlayIt.gg. we've been playing the Medieval MMC5 Mod pack with some QoL mods for storage added. Y'all are welcome to join. Dm for the server ip cause I don't want to sent it in a massive public group.

There are 5 of us who play every day currently.

[crisp shadow]

Do I have enough

[true venture]

Time in the mod pack?