networks-security-and-home-servers

[supple vine]

Think it's just Internet issue right now

I'm dropping pings without even doing anything

[junior mulch]

Try MTU 1500

[supple vine]

Welp it's completely down all of a sudden

[junior mulch]

[supple vine]

Ope it's back

Pinging google

[junior mulch]

Spectrum looking down the other end like magic is in play

Why you pinging that address

Is it the fastest you've tested?

Ping 8.8.8.8

That's google

[supple vine]

Its when I ping Google.com

[junior mulch]

Ah

Try 8.8.8.8

[supple vine]

I'm just using it to see my latency spiking and if it drops

[junior mulch]

Ye do 8.8.8.8 if you do that

[supple vine]

Okie dokie

Some fire internet

[junior mulch]

MTU 1500?

[supple vine]

Changing now

[junior mulch]

It may drop come back

[supple vine]

Yeah

[junior mulch]

If that doesn't work, 1492

If not that

1362

That wild inconsistent jitter likely has a lot to do with the buffer

[supple vine]

Mtu 1500

[junior mulch]

It's still bouncing tf

[supple vine]

Was 1492 before that so doing 1362

[junior mulch]

Alr

[supple vine]

Unloaded jumped

To 72

[junior mulch]

Ok too low

Try 1462

[supple vine]

Way better unloaded

[junior mulch]

1462 is good on a lot of services from what I googled

Specifically

[nimble sigil]

Did it work

[junior mulch]

I-

IDK MAN

PROLLY NOT LMAO

[nimble sigil]

KEKW

[junior mulch]

Hahahahahaha

[supple vine]

That huge ping jump was when it was doing upload

Where it dropped

[junior mulch]

That does look better

Hm

Stop ping testing

[supple vine]

Okie dokie

[junior mulch]

Try opening your cake upload download way up

Go up to 500 each

[supple vine]

Don't mind if I do

Was waiting to do that lol

Testing

[junior mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/1-sad-gif-13736063974553656612

[supple vine]

Man

[nimble sigil]

Ah yes

[junior mulch]

Haha

Ok clamp them both this time

180 24

[supple vine]

I'm destined to have 5% of my paid for speeds

[junior mulch]

Just patience

One thing we've definitely established so far is you can get close to good speeds

Additionally that nighthawk had ass unloaded

[supple vine]

For real

[junior mulch]

Extra 20ms lmfao

[supple vine]

Yeah was nuts

Had issues out the box. My dad was like this router ass and I didn't believe him

I'm sorry dad

[junior mulch]

Let me pull something up just to give you some confidence, hold on

This is possible, not with the same unloaded tho

[supple vine]

Its beautiful

[junior mulch]

Why does it just ignore the qos clamp

Lmfao

[supple vine]

I have no clue

[junior mulch]

Hmmm

[supple vine]

I was thinking the same thing

[junior mulch]

It's still close tho

Ok try 240 240

[supple vine]

Tested on my phone over wifi to see if it was different

Not really

[junior mulch]

That could still be device

But that looks not bad

Considering you know

Your plan is supposed to be 1024 40

[supple vine]

Right

Did you see my speed earlier

[junior mulch]

I know

I'm just saying for the sake of accuracy here

Try unclamping the upload to 240

[supple vine]

At 4:22 pm

Changing both to 240 and testing

Upload be wildin

[junior mulch]

Ok

That HAS to be the devices

[supple vine]

Random ahh upload speeds

[junior mulch]

Unclamp both

Go way up

700 700

[feral eagle]

How nice

[nimble sigil]

1000 time

[junior mulch]

Phone moment

[supple vine]

We did 1000 earlier

[nimble sigil]

Yeah my own upload latency is ass

[junior mulch]

700 700

[feral eagle]

Ye the wap is quite far too

[supple vine]

Yeah testing 700 now

[junior mulch]

If that buffer doesn't shift now I'm dead sure it's some priority list or programs vampiring the router

[supple vine]

No clue what programs would be doing it

[junior mulch]

Ok clamp back

280 280

Then test, send me ur QoS page again

[junior mulch]

Haha tf

[junior mulch]

Upload 240, send screenshot of QoS tab

Upload 240 MPU 0

Wait why is it 18 again

WAN packet overhead 42 mpu 0 mode normal

Upload 240

Test again

That would explain the variance if we went back to the wrong internet type

[supple vine]

Went to 18 when we changed to docsis

[junior mulch]

We had consistent results on 42

[supple vine]

It's been at 18 for over an hour now lol

Actually exactly an hour

Changed it how you said and testing

[junior mulch]

Ya when we flipped it to 18, it went haywire

Both times on 42, it was consistent

[supple vine]

You said it was better initially

[junior mulch]

I did but I didn't know it was still on 18

I thought we were off docsis

Just try 42 lol

[supple vine]

#networks-security-and-home-servers message

[junior mulch]

Even if the internet type is wrong

[supple vine]

I am

[junior mulch]

Oh I did say 18

[junior mulch]

I misread that same message

Oh but it's smooth

Ok hold on

Lets cook

Try unclamp the download again

Try 120 and also 500

[supple vine]

120 download then 500?

[junior mulch]

Either or

[supple vine]

Trying 120

[junior mulch]

Lets observe the effects

[supple vine]

Testing 500 now

Ran 2 back to back on 120

[junior mulch]

Ok 42 may have been the play

Cake seems to be still ignoring the QOS clamp

Upload looks good tho

We should leave upload as is from here

Upload, unloaded, as long as they stay consistent, excellent

Just deciphering the download issue then

Take note of these

We will try shotgunning these

Nat lookup we leave the same

I think we try priority queue first

[supple vine]

This is the 500 down tests

[junior mulch]

Ok so we can just clamp download to 280 for now

Set priority queue to something else

For download only

Try see if you can pick the same thing as the upload one

[supple vine]

Changing to diffserv3

[junior mulch]

I feel like I'm overclocking @frank scroll

[junior mulch]

Try another one

I can't see that menu so shotgun them

[supple vine]

Diffserv 4 now

[junior mulch]

We can speed up the testing I think by now

We just need to see download buffer

[odd epoch]

omfg you're right lol
DDR5 on Intel moment

[junior mulch]

Yep next option

[supple vine]

Last one, diffserv 8

Upload is on diffserv 3 btw

[junior mulch]

We leave upload alone from here lad

In terms of what we've achieved

All but download remains

[junior mulch]

Ohp

Test that one again

[supple vine]

Might need to do it a third time since the unloaded went up

Okay unloaded fixed on third

[junior mulch]

Ok I think us changing this is having no effect, go back to best effort

Next option

Flow isolation

[supple vine]

Okie dokie

[junior mulch]

Try srchost

[junior mulch]

Keep going through them until you see it drop to <+10ms

If none change anything, I get the feeling the PC again might be the issue

The consistency is really telling

[supple vine]

Been all the same until I got to hosts

2 more to test still

[junior mulch]

Interesting

Maybe hosts help

[supple vine]

Was a coincidence it seems

Unfortunate

[junior mulch]

Sadge

Well, my next guess, flip that back

Try a game

See if that one from last night has better ping now

Where you showed the servers

The consistency is a good sign tho, albeit no 1gbps anymore, consistent is way better for games, especially if peak times throttle down to this much

[supple vine]

Okie dokie

Not bad

[junior mulch]

Better?

[supple vine]

I would say so

[junior mulch]

Is it about where your friends have it

[supple vine]

I think

[junior mulch]

Extra couple ms is understandable

Try playing for a bit then

Let's set some realistic expectations here

[supple vine]

Can't right this moment but will later

[junior mulch]

The bufferbloat test is just a loaded metric

It won't be representative of games themselves in true form

Games should be better

So that consistent +40ms I suspect is something on your system(s) causing it

Figure that one out, boom

+0

But getting +0 can also be considered very unrealistic

Because it's a bufferbloat test

Some people physically can't improve it far enough to genuinely fix that, be it cos of the tech they use or the circumstances

[supple vine]

Right

[junior mulch]

So if playing games it is just way better like this, then we could consider this a solid outcome

[supple vine]

Hopefully the tech finds something wrong with my cables or modem so I can replace something and get consistent speeds

[junior mulch]

Ye

You can try test direct out of the modem to pc as well btw

If you get the same results that way then it's a setting we've missed

If you get way better, it's a router setting

If you get way worse, then it's the router working but something on the router/pc isn't toggled

If you get throttled down btw to this speed regularly I wouldn't hope for faster

I mean like in general, not today

I would leave it below your lowest speed

And if 280 hits that, solid

This would be the point where I'd drop a query on r/Homelab, tell them everything you've done, whether games are good/bad, and then, is there anything more you should do to fix your download

Most likely they'll say no but best to ask around for peer review

Someone might have something worth trying

Either way if the games are good from here then the nighthawk was the elephant in the room

[supple vine]

Right right

Makes sense

I'll let you know If I find anything ground breaking from here

I appreciate all the help

[junior mulch]

Ye np

Networking is a pain like this

Now imagine me doing this same stuff a week ago

@glass moat

For days

Having cake was what really set it in stone for me with the tests tho, my latency dropped to basically nothing after that

Yours looks good I just can't figure out what the last piece of the puzzle is

And in all likeliness you won't need that last piece anyway

So good luck with it lad

Maybe someone else might chime in later

[supple vine]

Somethings working against me

[junior mulch]

Yeah something's there

I had that problem but it was gone after cake

My upload would be good but download +40-ish

Couldn't work it out

Anw

[supple vine]

at least we got something thats consistent now

[nimble sigil]

What even is cake

I see

[junior mulch]

Food

[nimble sigil]

Yum

[glass moat]

Caked up

[supple vine]

@junior mulch they removed the splitters and now im getting my speeds as long as QOS is off

this is QOS completely off

[glass moat]

oh yeah those coaxial splitter are often bad

[supple vine]

apparently

modem was getting a bunch of errors lol

[glass moat]

i'm honestly surprised that they even used the splitters

[supple vine]

they were super old ones lol

probably from when the apartments were built

[glass moat]

NORMALLY they're supposed to just wire it straight into the modem without needing the splitters

[supple vine]

got rid of them completely

thats what he was saying

[glass moat]

also old splitters ironically may be higher quality than the new ones

like, houses in the '80s to 90's would ususally have better quality splitters than houses made like in the '10s and '20s

since less and less people are using it for cable tv

the contractor special™️ splitters

[supple vine]

kinda makes sense lol

[glass moat]

oh hey bufferbloat is being a bit better for me today lmao (i have absolutely no optimizations since im lazy and just use the isp router)

[supple vine]

im going to kill you for that internet speed

[glass moat]

lmao

[supple vine]

im going to take it from you

guessing thats fibre

[glass moat]

yeah

[supple vine]

too bad i live in bum frick nowhere

they are only installing fibre in places that dont have coax currently

[glass moat]

lmao

[supple vine]

google went to the city i used to live in and dug up a bunch of roads to lay down their fiber years ago then just left after they tore everything up

[glass moat]

you dont live far enough rural as my friend though
rural enough for celluar connection to be the fastest

[supple vine]

#blessed

[junior mulch]

Ooo so shaping it all again might bring that back to good

You still wanna use some kind of modern qos/SQM, I wouldn't run with nothing

Though good to see the speeds shot up

[true venture]

What does QoS and SQM mean?

[glass moat]

quality of service
smart queue managment

[true venture]

Thank you.

Might I ask what said features usually include?

Also what exactly is Smart Queue Management? Based on the name I am guessing it has to do with managing in and out going data.

[glass moat]

summary is that it helps prioritize latency sensitive packets or such, so that things that don't care about latency can wait a little longer, while something like gaming or video streaming may want some packets faster so that would be sent first

QoS is specifically the prioritization of packets

while SQM does QoS along with a few other things

[true venture]

Gotcha. Thank you for giving me a brief rundown, @glass moat.

Much appreciated.

[supple vine]

Sorry for not replying I'm currently away for the holidays but when I'm back I'll tinker and let you know what happens

[junior mulch]

Alr

[toxic inlet]

What are some good mesh systems? We have three floors and have gigabit atm running on a Netgear Nighthawk right now. The range is good, but not good enough for how much height it has to cover. We wouldn't mind spending more for newer features and support for higher speeds.

[glass moat]

maybe avoid tplink if you're in the US since it seems like the US goverment wants to ban tplink

with that in mind, maybe the eero pro 6e?

[toxic inlet]

Yeah

[feral eagle]

Is the nighthawk tplink?

[toxic inlet]

Looked at Eero Pro, apparently they sell your information, and I think there was something about if you have them delete it you can't use it anymore?

[glass moat]

eero is owned by amazon iirc

[toxic inlet]

No, Netgear

[glass moat]

there honestly isnt too many options for cheap decent mesh that isnt made by tplink lmao

[toxic inlet]

Yeah that sucks lol

What about Linksys?

[feral eagle]

I have been enjoying my ubiquiti system if you can do wired aps

[glass moat]

i see that ubiquiti has "mesh" aps but idk if they work in mesh? all the product images shows it as powered with poe

[feral eagle]

The only mesh systems they have in that sense are their amplifi sub brand i believe

It is on more expensive side

[junior mulch]

A sus

[glass moat]

hmm

[feral eagle]

Can’t you also mesh some netgear routers together

[glass moat]

maybe

[junior mulch]

Ay shash

[feral eagle]

If so could save instead of buying into a new system

[glass moat]

but does the original netgear router also support being used in a mesh

[junior mulch]

Oi shesh

Aye smash

Ee shosh

[toxic inlet]

https://a.co/d/a3rJjlf

That's what we have

[lapis tinsel]

Is this the channel to ask about an issue if my pc can’t connect to a router?

[karmic wedge]

Sure

[junior mulch]

PC's connect to routers?

[karmic wedge]

Man I want a local DNS server

[glass moat]

i'm jacking on

[junior mulch]

You're what

[karmic wedge]

Huh?

[glass moat]

yeah

[karmic wedge]

:0

[junior mulch]

[odd epoch]

I think you scared him off

[junior mulch]

[glass moat]

802.11bn / Wi-Fi 8 seems interesting.... AP coordination as a standardized feature

Unfortunately that would take another 3-4 years for that to come out lmao

[odd epoch]

bn? Both of those identifiers are already in use, there's plenty of letters that aren't, why would they do that? Ugh that's just confusing. I had a bgn AP in 2010.

[glass moat]

Lmao

Yeah I have no clue why they chose bn over pretty much anything else

[frank scroll]

I dunno much about networking. All I know is I've been meaning to make this 10700KF system do Pi-Hole lol

supposedly it's possible even tho it's not a raspberry Pi & my stupid AT&T gateway doesn't allow me to change DNS server

just like 50x more complicated lol

[feral eagle]

You should be able to manually change on the client device at least, but it is a lot easier if you can change it at router level

[glass moat]

pihole just needs to run on linux

idk if it needs to be debian based or if it works on other distros

it probably can since it's quite widely used

[feral eagle]

you can always just run it in docker

[glass moat]

true

which would probably be the better idea

[karmic wedge]

bruh what's even the point of paid self-hosted services? I self host so I don't have to pay for stuff 💀

[glass moat]

To be fair, development costs exist

[karmic wedge]

true

But I mean most other stuff is free lol

I mean I understand a whole operating system charging users for it (like HexOS apparently) but why some of the services itself? It's wild to me lol

I self host based on the belief that I don't have to pay for stuff anymore. If you're going to charge me so I can host your service? I'm not using you. I'm using my own resources to host your product. Have a donate link? Sure, maybe I'll donate if I like the service that much. But I'm not paying a monthly subscription to host your service

It makes me feel like an idiot investing in Plex when Jellyfin exists

[feral eagle]

depends on the service I would say. though nowadays most services offer the free version for homelabers and such while keeping full features for enterprise users which I think is fair

[karmic wedge]

Like "self hosters and home labbers get a free version, otherwise we're charging you to use our service that'll be hosted with our own resources" type of stuff? I understand that

Like cloud storage, I understand

[feral eagle]

not necessarily, many offer enterprise versions for on premise since that can be very important to many of their clients

[karmic wedge]

But I'm self hosting to save money. I have my own Nextcloud instance(s) and I'm willing to go through the stress of making it stable. It's worth it for me. As of now, I can leave it and not even touch it. I haven't had the chance to really use one of my Nextcloud instances but I just checked on it and it's all running perfectly fine. I even have it exposed to the Internet with 2FA enabled. I feel confident that I won't be touched

sorry long paragraph lol

[feral eagle]

my nextcloud broke 😦

[junior mulch]

Monkey

[karmic wedge]

Maybe I'm an activist to a group that doesn't exist yet lol (a group that hosts so they don't have to pay a subscription or wants better privacy, both of which are for my self hosting purposes)

[karmic wedge]

🐒

[feral eagle]

🐒

[frank scroll]

I saw that part but then I have to do port forwarding or something like that to make all router traffic run thru it? I'm not entirely sure but I also haven't really made much of an effort to make it happen yet anyway ngl

[feral eagle]

ye it's not too difficult. there is a lot of documentation out there

[glass moat]

none of the traffic goes through pihole exactly

pihole really is just a DNS server that filters out domains

and DNS servers just takes the requests (questions basically) of say "where's google.com" and the dns server would reply with the IP

no data packets for or from google.com would go through the DNS

[odd epoch]

The point is they either offer features no one else does or it's got an easier to use UI than others do. It's often something that you could configure yourself using various Linux packages but that takes time and effort to do.
You don't have to pay for it if you don't see the value in it.

[karmic wedge]

True but I feel like an idiot for paying for Plex when I could've just learned slightly more and use Jellyfin

It was only the $5 purchase on iOS's App Store just so I could have playback support or whatever the purchase was for (bought it like a couple years ago lol). But Jellyfin doesn't have that iirc; feels like a waste of $5 for not knowing at the time that Jellyfin existed

[feral eagle]

Ehh 5usd one time purchase is like nothing. Having some features locked behind their subscription can be annoying but tbh I don’t feel like im missing anything.

I do wish both had developed a bit more. Having used both for some time I prefer plex but both can be very finicky at times

[odd epoch]

Yeah each has their pros and cons. I also prefer Plex.

[frank scroll]

lol ya don't the ads or whatever like request info from the ad's server & pihole just goes, "lol sorry that server didn't answer" when in reality it just didn't try to contact it?

[odd epoch]

That's one way to think of it

[frank scroll]

cuz it knows that's an ad server

cuz some group of crazy people make a giant list? lol

I mean, thank heck for them but that's a lot to keep up with

[odd epoch]

The website says "ad goes here, find one on X server to put there", and the DNS says "oops sorry X server doesn't exist"

[frank scroll]

lol ya because it knows that server is just ads right?

[odd epoch]

There's some false positives but I keep a very long list of ad servers yes

[frank scroll]

there are like curated lists on github iirc

adguard keeps a list I think

[odd epoch]

My list is currently 155,685 long

[frank scroll]

I have adguard on my phone & it's pretty dependable

[odd epoch]

This is one that I use https://github.com/blocklistproject/Lists

Divided up by type of server to block

I just did the "everything" list and whitelist things as needed

[frank scroll]

like the ad filter for mobile for adguard is (I'm writing out the URL cuz heck): https://filters.adtidy.org/android/filters/11_optimized.txt

[odd epoch]

Here's a second one I use, from adblock ultimate https://filters.adavoid.org/ultimate-ad-filter.txt

[frank scroll]

for reference, that list would print out to 135 pages I just tried

[glass moat]

Sites: hey DNS server (pihole) do you have any stock of ads
Pihole: lemme go check walks into back, does a flip, walks out
Nope, there's nothing, even the manager says there's nothing
Site: damn ok

[frank scroll]

but how am I gonna get free weapon in terrible free Android game?

[glass moat]

Lmao

[odd epoch]

1984 pages if I printed it

[frank scroll]

jeez

the base filter for adguard is https://filters.adtidy.org/android/filters/2_optimized.txt

& the "EasyList" is https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/easylist.txt

[frank scroll]

good lord

[odd epoch]

Still counting how many pages this is...

[frank scroll]

lol I hope you're not counting manually

[odd epoch]

hell no

Windows is still "preparing preview" lmao

[frank scroll]

lol wow

[odd epoch]

still counting

[frank scroll]

heck I can get WinXP to boot but keyboard & mouse won't work lol

[odd epoch]

Might need PS/2 peripherals

[frank scroll]

damn

I put this file"autoInstallXPDrivers.exe" I got in Startup

& it's trying to run but needs me to click run

HECK lol

PS/2 would make it way easier but it's possible without it

I tried this little PCIe thing I have that connects to USB 2.0 header on the motherboard to make two ports

I figured oldest USB was most likely to work but

no dice yet

I thought maybe if I went into win7 & copied the drivers from Windows/System32/Driver Store it might work but

[odd epoch]

Nah it would immediately be flagged as incompatible

[frank scroll]

hey uh, you understand this stuff more than I do... maybe I can change DNS Server? or is that per device? hmm

nvm it doesn't let me set a DNS Server I dunno wth this does

[odd epoch]

No that would be setting the priority for DNS request packets

[frank scroll]

heck

ya this gateway is total trash for this apparently. I basically need another router then I gotta set the gateway to ip passthrough or something

I wish I understood this better lol

[feral eagle]

maybe there is something in advanced settings?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glass moat]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-literally-1984-gif-15073437220075643382

[glass moat]

It wouldn't be in NAT settings, default DNS is set in DHCP settings

Or sometimes it's separated and put into some other advanced settings blade

But it's a DHCP feature

[odd epoch]

everything that tries to print this crashes

I converted it to a pdf... and adobe errors out

[glass moat]

Lmao

I mean, you could calculate how many pages it would take by figuring out how many lines per page and using that to divide the total amount of sites blocked

Im assuming that each site is seperated by a new line and if not, then that complicates things

[odd epoch]

Well my pihole did all that for me so I'll leave it at that

[glass moat]

Lol

[karmic wedge]

See this is what I hate about AT&T. They make it difficult to use your own router as well

You can add your own router but it has to go through their "IP Passthrough" thing somehow. Goofy imo

goofy ahh router

Has an update like every month too. Downtime is whatever day of the month right at midnight

[junior mulch]

Tmw ur router asks for 20 minutes a month max and it's not good enough

[karmic wedge]

It's downtime nevertheless

And why right at midnight? Couldn't be 3am?

[junior mulch]

Go to bed earlier

Be more upstanding you insane person

Who stays awake after 12am

Uh

Me

[karmic wedge]

Depending on where you are in Australian, as of this minute, you're either awake past 12am or it'll be 12am in a couple hours

[glass moat]

i assume it's like DMZ

if their router is also acting as the modem or fiber ONT then it would make sense why you would need to use the ip passthrough in order to not double NAT

if they have a seperate modem or fiber ONT device, then it would be rather strange to also need to use their router then your own router lmao

[feral eagle]

time to find out if apps in truenas are any more stable since they switched from kubernetes to docker

[glass moat]

oh truenas switched to docker?

oh they still support k8s but also support docker now

[feral eagle]

Yeah they are deprecating k8s in newer versions of truenas

I want to give it a try again because in the past simply enabling apps on truenas would send my whole system into a boot loop

[glass moat]

💀

[feral eagle]

yeah I always thought it was weird. at first I thought it was a misconfigured app but realized it kept happening until I completely disabled the app service.
now I tried loading one random community app as a test and so far it is still alive. only abnormality I see is my zfs cache being mostly flushed but there is also a scrub running rn so idk

[frank scroll]

heck maybe I should do this now... actually tonight when it won't mess with anyone's wifi connections lol

[glass moat]

TBF it shouldn't mess with anybody's connection until their DHCP lease renews

Though if somebody is doing work from home currently, probably not the best idea lol

[feral eagle]

I feel like I should just consolidate these computers at some point

[glass moat]

truly a way to name

[feral eagle]

yes waifu naming scheme

[karmic wedge]

Get a Beelink computer, put Proxmox on it, Docker on Proxmox, thank me later

(Actually, idk how good of an idea this is. But I'm conservatively migrating my servers to this Beelink mini PC)

(Or just get a Proxmox PC built)

[feral eagle]

I used to run proxmox but im can’t say I am terribly good at multi socket management. For that I think I will stick to truenas as a main hypervisor. Since I am not seeing any instability with docker apps I might just move most of my apps to it

[nimble sigil]

What do those do

[feral eagle]

Honestly I don’t completely remember anymore. The top one I just setup with docker. One is for mostly web servers and management panels, one runs game server instances and media players. And there should be an external and internal proxy somewhere

[karmic wedge]

Portainer is for noobs. Just use the CLI functions of Docker

Bare SSH

(This is a joke. I use VS Code to SSH into my servers)

[feral eagle]

Yeah like half of the stacks at least are managed via ssh, especially since some are custom built images

[karmic wedge]

I wish I was at the point of making custom images

Not there yet

[nimble sigil]

Interesting

I've given a glance at docker stuff but I never really went through with researching it

[feral eagle]

It’s interesting. Lot of trial and error but once you get it working tis nice to have

[grave marsh]

I

HATE

WIFI

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[feral eagle]

just fix it

[west cape]

Fr

[grave marsh]

i did fix it!

spent 2h tryna troubleshoot just to call my ISP and be told they need to activate it... 30 minutes later and its working

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[odd epoch]

Ah yeah a lot of ISPs are weird about unknown routers on their network

I had to do the same

[grave marsh]

it was a new router supplied by them 😠

you'd think that wouldnt have to happen

but yes i agree i hate all ISP's

[odd epoch]

In a perfect world yes they would pre-activate the router but the system that registers the serial number to your account and the local node are probably not on the same network and can't talk to each other

[grave marsh]

yeah well for a solid 20 minutes i thought i just forgot how to use a coax cable and broke it

ffs

speeds are doubled so i'm chillin

[feral eagle]

Sometimes if you forcibly remove the lease it will work when a new router is connected without having to contact them

[feral eagle]

So I finally started taking a deep dive into tailscale and I'm starting to see how nice it can be

[nimble sigil]

I should do this

I wanna tailscale my moonlight connection

[karmic wedge]

I really need an HDMI switch for my PiKVM

Something I can change inputs remotely

[glass moat]

You could probably do that by rewiring the button on the switch to one of the gpio pins so the pikvm can remotely trigger it

[karmic wedge]

True. And I have an HDMI switch but it doesn't come with USB. Just HDMI

And I have a USB-only KVM switch but that's in use atm

[feral eagle]

So a km?

[karmic wedge]

yeah

[true venture]

Does anyone here have experience with the internet provider MTA Solutions?

I am planning on contacting them tomorrow about their Unlimited Data 1Gbps plan tomorrow and wanted to know if anyone here knows whether or not they block people from hosting game servers at home.

[odd epoch]

Even if they did it should be easy enough to bypass

Like the trick of using a vpn to bypass tethering speed restrictions

[feral eagle]

Isps restrict that kind of stuff?

[glass moat]

not isps, the mobility companies

which are often also isps

[true venture]

it can be bypassed? I was not aware of this. Thank you for letting me know.

[karmic wedge]

Just use Tailscale

The easiest VPN to use

Twinge also exists but I’ve barely used it

[feral eagle]

Well tailscale is more of a peer to peer vpn, if all of your devices are on the same network I’m not sure if that would help

[karmic wedge]

True. That’s still how I host game servers though

Starting to do it on Proxmox though so I can have a single LXC container being shared (per whatever I’m doing). I setup ACLs perfectly fine once on Tailscale and then suddenly my gf can't connect to our MC server (was working fine until it wasn't. Idk lol)

[feral eagle]

Honestly it can be more secure than opening more ports and handing out public ip if you setup correctly

Recently I setup mine so I can access my internal dns

[karmic wedge]

Google doesn't help as much as I'd like. How much memory would y'all put in a single system for multiple modded Minecraft servers?

(like 300-400 mods per server)

(Don't ask why. It's maybe like 5 at most MC servers)

One server takes like 4GB at idle 💀

[junior mulch]

@true venture ^

[karmic wedge]

Yo do we have another MC modder in here?

(open to CPU options as well)

[odd epoch]

32GB minimum should work I think, unless all 5 servers are preloading chunks at the same time

64 couldn't hurt, and game servers don't care as much about memory speed

[feral eagle]

I second 32gb, some modded servers recommend 8-12gb per depending on player count

[true venture]

Depends heavily on the kind of mods.

[true venture]

I have run multiple mc servers through hosting services and made more models than I care to remember. Caveat being most are under mc 1.16.5 though I have been getting into 1.18+ modpacks

Modpacks not models.

[glass moat]

a fair bit of the time, modpack developers may say the recommended hardware requirements for a certain amount of players

[true venture]

Brb like 3m?

[glass moat]

basically the more mods and players you have, the more ram you want

but there's also a caviat of java being kinda bad at garbage collection at high ram allocation

[true venture]

Back

[glass moat]

i think it was after like 10gigs of ram that java's garbage collector kinda doesnt work properly on default settings

[true venture]

Terrain mods chug ram like there is no tomorrow.

[true venture]

How many players do you expect and is this the kind of server where people will make massive builds with chunk loaders

I usually use about 20GB of ram on a optimized forge server with around 200 mods and 20ish active players. It's not the smoothest experience but definitely playable.

With MC especially modded with terrain or entity mods the more ram the better. Speed definitely helps but not as useful as just having a ton of ram.

[true venture]

64GB of ram you should be able to squeeze 3 optimized forge survival servers each with about 200ish mods and about 15-20 players.

This of course relies on your CPU being able to keep up with that kind of demand.

[karmic wedge]

Sounds doable

I've been thinking about getting some ten-core Beelink machine. My current Minecraft machine is on Windows but I'm tired of dealing with Windows to host MC servers. I wanna move to Docker but I'm thinking I should either build something good or just get a cheapish Beelink mini PC and load it up with storage and RAM (not just for MC servers though)

I'll probably load it with 64GB and see how that does (I think that's possible in those little Beelink machines)

I also don't need any insane case to house all of it (which is why I'm mentioning Beelink)

[true venture]

So I used to have a dedicated machine with a 5900x running the Pterodactyl panel. That was pretty enjoyable.

[karmic wedge]

I would go with a CPU like that but I'd rather have integrated graphics (unless you're running headless?)

[true venture]

It had 128GB of ram and I was running 4 servers with about 80 players total between them.

[true venture]

It was a dedicated host so I looked at the panel via my main PC.

[karmic wedge]

Yeah that's what I'm wanting

[true venture]

I haven't self hosted MC yet. How bad is it?

I am planning on dedicated 4 threads from my 7950x3D for a mc windows server.

[karmic wedge]

I've been experimenting with Crafty Controller in another PC running Proxmox. Super nice but I can't upgrade the memory in that machine. It's basically the only Beelink machine that you can't upgrade the memory and my dumb ass asked for it for Christmas. Kinda stuck with it now (only 24GB)

[karmic wedge]

Not too bad. I just want massive head room for hosting servers. So basically a really nice CPU and a vast amount of memory

And then whatever storage

But I thought I'd ask just to be sure. I feel like I go to Google, see the results I like, MC is on 1.16

Or people will ask for specs suggestions but it's only for Vanilla

Just never what I'm looking for lol

[true venture]

If you want help I am happy to give tips and etc. I ask the same of you when I try hosting a windows server in a few days after I talk to the ISP about a dedicated connection

I have been modding MC since 1.7.10

[karmic wedge]

Honestly this might be perfect enough. And then I'll upgrade the memory when I add more servers
https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-Desktop-Display-Bluetooth-Computer/dp/B0D9GCVPCX

[true venture]

I don't have much experience with mini-pc systems but honestly that CPU will be enough for like 3 mc servers that are heavily modded if you optimize the settings.

[odd epoch]

They use SODIMM so if it's DDR4 the max will be 64GB with 2 slots. Some have 1 slot so double check that.
If it's DDR5 you can do 96GB.

[true venture]

2 threads is the minimum I would do for a modded mc server even if it's like 100 mods.

[karmic wedge]

I've been using a Dell OptiPlex 3000 (micro PC) and it's been nice for the past couple of years. But I want slightly better upgradeability (like adding at least two drives and better memory compatibility, unlike Dell and their picking motherboards)

[karmic wedge]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. I'd probably do DDR5 regardless. DDR4 is a few years outdated at this point

[true venture]

Limit chunk rendering in the server side and install some mods to clear out mobs once every 3hrs or so.

Those two things alone make a massive difference

Setup auto server restart once every 4hrs to deal with ram bottlenecks on servers with high player and entity counts.

[karmic wedge]

Thinking about going with another Intel Beelink just for extra cores. @odd epoch what's your thoughts on that?

Having like a 10-core mini PC for this kind of application (and more in the near future)

[true venture]

If you are doing servers with a lot of terrain and entity mods I suggest 4 threads per server.

[odd epoch]

If those extra cores are e-cores... ehhhh that'd be pushing it

[karmic wedge]

So more cores = better then

and yeah more p cores for sure

[odd epoch]

More full cores best

[true venture]

Up to a certain point.

Like anything beyond 6 threads on a optimized server is mostly a waste.

[karmic wedge]

And it would probably all be hosted on Proxmox. So I'd probably containerize all of it and share it via Tailscale. I wouldn't even have to worry about ACLs at that point

[true venture]

Mostly depending on if you have the server setup to split chunk rendering tasks.

I will brb.

[karmic wedge]

I feel like 8 cores would be fine enough though. I've been hosting with a 5600G and it's been nice

[odd epoch]

Going off this recommendation that would mean for 5 active servers you'd want 20 threads

[true venture]

Emphasis on active.

[odd epoch]

If you don't have those kinds of mods then disregard

[karmic wedge]

these five servers would actually be mostly at idle and it would be when my friends decide to get on them (for context)

[true venture]

Oh then you are fine.

[karmic wedge]

There's probably gonna be like at most 10 on a single server and maybe one on any other server

[true venture]

Yeah you are definitely fine then.

[karmic wedge]

Like a traditional 8 cores 16 threads CPU would be almost more than enough (but still running other server-based apps along with that)

[odd epoch]

Yeah something simple like a 8700G can handle 2 active servers or so with 3 idle ones

[true venture]

2-3 threads ought to do especially if this is just for friends. Few minor hiccups won't kill anyone.

[odd epoch]

Well it's minecraft so a few hiccups will kill someone

But they can respawn

[true venture]

I used to run the mc servers for a business so I was very picky about how things ought to run.

When people are paying for content that can be lost they get very angry about losing it due to server hiccups.

@karmic wedge so to sum it up, 2-3 capable threads per server and about 20GB of ram. If you need tips on how to optimize the server settings just let me know.

[karmic wedge]

Bett thanks

I'll probably still start with 32GB

[true venture]

My biggest tip is don't go overboard on terrain mods. Those consume ram the most and there is not much you can do about it.

[karmic wedge]

Yeah that too

[true venture]

That is the most common mistake I see with modders

[karmic wedge]

(probably should've noted that these "modded servers" are Better Minecraft servers)

[true venture]

Not to mention the damned chunk errors that come with it

[true venture]

I mostly make my own mod packs so I don't have a lot of experience with those. If I recall they are Vanilla+ style right?

[karmic wedge]

Yeah

I love it and my friends are addicted to it

[true venture]

Yeah shouldn't be too ram consuming then. I usually make mod packs more inline with something like RLcraft/All The Mods where it's very heavily modded.

[karmic wedge]

Do you just plop your mods into a mods folder and put that onto a server? How do you make your modpacks?

[true venture]

I have been getting more into Minecraft but far more streamlined and only adding things that make a meaningful difference

[odd epoch]

Do one 32GB stick then. Adding additional is easier with sodimm, since it runs slower anyway.

[true venture]

Typically I just use the the mods folder however I will mess with the mods configs and I don't have the skills anymore but I used to change the mod code a bit yo optimize it that way if possible

[karmic wedge]

Or the alternative: I just see how this Beelink machine with a 12650H and 24GB runs for a bit. I got it for Christmas. It's probably enough for maybe like two MC servers for a second (just allocating some memory to each server)

And then wait for some better mini PCs to release (given AMD's new CPUs)

[true venture]

Mhmm that would work especially if this isn't a pressing issue

Honestly 3-4 threads from a decent CPU and a good chunk of ram then you will be fine.

I gotta go I will be back later

[karmic wedge]

Thanks for your help

Or I could just get a Minisforum MS-01

[feral eagle]

If you feeling fancy you could try setting up pterodactyl for managing server instances

[true venture]

I have never tried running a dual os. What will happen if I try to have Windows and Linux on the same desktop? I feel tempted to have a 1TB Linux drive with pterodactyl on it for making server management nice and easy.

[karmic wedge]

You have options for this:

1. Put them on the same drive. Select either when booting using Grub
2. VMs within either Windows or Linux
3. Proxmox so you can have both at the same time

[karmic wedge]

Can't find a Docker Compose file for that (unless I’m blind)

[glass moat]

It doesn't even have to be the same drive

[karmic wedge]

That too

I just woke up when I typed that

[glass moat]

Lol

[karmic wedge]

Wait bruh I’m such an idiot

I have 32GB to put in another server

I don't need to buy a new machine bruh

If I want more power from the CPU I can just upgrade it (currently running a 12500T. T-series CPUs may be hard to find)

@true venture I might've just found a cheaper alternative

Didn’t realize that I just upgraded laptops, old laptop having 32GB in it already. I'll just take that memory from the old laptop and put it in my Dell Micro (currently a 12500T and 16GB)

[feral eagle]

it can be a bit complicated. found one example with compose here: https://technotim.live/posts/pterodactyl-game-server/

it's split as a "panel" and "wing" instance so you can theoretically control multiple systems running game servers all in one place and even move servers across different systems. if you already have local dns with ssl setup it shouldn't be too difficult, or you could try with plain http to hook up

[karmic wedge]

I’m still thinking though that I should get another system just for Proxmox to do it all

Hmmmm

[feral eagle]

depends how you want to split resources and such really. lately I prefer to do everything I can with containers and only do vm/separate system for apps that really don't like containers

[true venture]

yeah that'd work, just as per the usual don't mix ram kits.

[karmic wedge]

I just moved my Windows (Pro not Server) server out of my room

I can't wait to have a cold(ish) room with that thing out of here

(It was just a 5600G causing the most heat in that thing but I found that it was the heat problem in my room)

[karmic wedge]

65W TDP 5600G in my living room TV stand. TV stand cabinet ambient temperatures

I plan on moving a couple of other things in there as well but idk how good of an idea that really is. But they're quite low powered too

[wide depot]

Just put in a couple Noctua PPC fans in the back of the cabinet to suck the hot air out attached to a controller

[karmic wedge]

It's a built-in cabinet. Can't do that

It seems like it's hanging around 75-78°F anyways

Hasn't even hit 78 in a few hours anyways

[true venture]

Move out to Alaska with me xD.

[karmic wedge]

sorry I prefer living not surviving 💀

[true venture]

Southern Alaska.

It's only around -10 at night where I am.

Celsius.

So 14f.

[feral eagle]

I want to visit juneau again

[olive mist]

Anyone know a budget Wireless Access Point/Wireless Client Bridge for cheap?

Looking for pff

Sub ~$80 AUD

[feral eagle]

prob just look on fb marketplace or ebay for used enterprise stuff

[olive mist]

hmmm

This looks decent?

[glass moat]

dell aruba??? lol

aruba is and has been owned by hp

[olive mist]

lmao

[glass moat]

afaik dell is.... hmm

[olive mist]

Troll?

[glass moat]

i dont remember what dell's enterprise networking aps were called

[olive mist]

Basically

[glass moat]

idk, it might be a legit listing and the poster was confused lol

[olive mist]

I'm looking for something to connect to building wifi

And then use the ethernet out to connect to the wan on my router

[glass moat]

hmm

you could also try one of those gl inet beyrls

i have one and it's quite handy, runs on openwrt (with a gl-inet skin)

i use it at my dorm (when i was at my dorm)

[olive mist]

hmm

[glass moat]

i'm not sure if enterprise aps can do what you want to do

since they're often PoE and most don't do wireless mesh

[olive mist]

ah

[glass moat]

the gl inet beyrl is wifi 6 (no 6ghz band though) but there's a cheaper variant that is wifi 5 if you only need that, but it's not a huge price difference, and it's honestly a solid unit

small enough to bring while travelling as well

[olive mist]

These ones?

[glass moat]

yeah, though those prices are like the msrp lol

[olive mist]

Yeah used market is annoying

[olive mist]

I might have to just get a used wireless router

[glass moat]

from the manufacturer's site

iirc cad is around aud

[olive mist]

Wireless routers are usually cheaper

[glass moat]

oh aud fell off

[olive mist]

eh

I already have a wireless router

I wonder....

If I could get a wired router for cheaper?

[glass moat]

you should either make sure that the router you pick supports openwrt/ddwrt, and/or supports repeater or bridging mode

[olive mist]

But then I can't connect to the network on wireless

hmmm

Should do

👀

There's also this chinese crap on amazon

No openwrt tho

[glass moat]

lmao

as long as it supports openwrt or ddwrt, it would be worth it as long as you have a use for it and the speeds are fine for you

[olive mist]

Might get this tbh

Looks fine

Had to delete all the ebay images

Doxxed postcode

[glass moat]

Lmao

[olive mist]

But yeah thinking of getting this

As an AP

Then using this PoS as my router

The main bottleneck is probably going to be building wifi-AP anyways

So figured that'd get me the best speeds

[olive mist]

Yeah there's a massive bottleneck anyways since I'm using building wifi

Uni life

So anything would do

Update:

FREE routers

Logically I should use the one with the best reception or AP and the slightly worse one for LAN right?

[feral eagle]

microtik sells low powered routers for like 50usd. what are you even using this for?

[olive mist]

Building wifi > AP > router

Uni accommodation shennaigans

[feral eagle]

what

[glass moat]

either making a private network or just bridging the uni (dorm?) wifi

[olive mist]

Both tbh

Basically

One router as a bridge

Which goes into the WAN of the private network

It's finicky

Holy smokes

That's a lot of LAN

Kinda tempted to use this as my main router rather as a glorified AP

[olive mist]

Turns out the fat "gaming" router doesn't support AP mode

Yeah I'm gonna have to the asus troll bottleneck router as the WAP

[olive mist]

Speeds gets slashed using WAP shenanigans

Oh well

Gotta have to do until I could upgrade

used to live with way worse so can't complain

[olive mist]

there's a lot of latency tho

hmm

hmm

ok

I attached more antennas onto the router (It had 1)

I suspect my testing config was causing latency

ok that did help

eh

ping's not that bad

[west cape]

Single digit ping isnt bad? Did bro live in a datacenter or smth

[feral eagle]

You mean you don’t have sub 3ms ping?

[junior mulch]

I live in AU so Mine's pretty bad too

11ms

[wide depot]

@olive mist @junior mulch 11ms for a wacky network layout is probably fine

Though the up and down pings are much worse for some reason

[wide flume]

Unloaded vs loaded

[wide depot]

Ah

Either way

For a crappy ISP router and a questionable quality cable pulled through the attic I think that's pretty good

[olive mist]

There is quite a bit of unmeasured latency tho

Going from the home router > first AP of my setup

Slightly annoying but eh

[errant dagger]

Bro gets lower ping than me

[karmic wedge]

@true venture coming back to the Minecraft talk. I forgot to ask, given that I have loads of DDR4 (and could easily get more without having to worry about compatibility), do you think a 2200G would suffice for multiple modded MC servers?

My friends are now wanting a Pixelmon server lol and I want to take a try at making my own modpack

I'd be worried about the processor atp I guess. And it's AM4. There's lots of room for upgrading (probably would go with a 5700G if they'll still be available by the time I get to that point)

[karmic wedge]

847 idk why it's so slow

[true venture]

Hmm, I think the 2200G is going to struggle a lot and I mean a lot with any more than 2 MC servers.

How severe the struggle is will depend on the mods you run.

I have a 5700G which I used to run a few servers off of it albeit with Essential because I didn't have access to port-forwarding.

I was able to run 2 decently well running servers on it with about 150 mods each. not a lot of players but they diid have massive constructs and chunk loaders so take that with a grain of salt.

[karmic wedge]

Maybe that MS-A2 from Minisforum is a good option to wait for then

[olive mist]

How's this as a repeater

Still doing the building wifi > ap shenanigans

The asus router is crapping out it seems

[glass moat]

worth a try i guess

[olive mist]

yeah it's dirt cheap

I wonder how good the Beryl AX is as a repeater

I'm doubting its capability based on the size of its antennas

Which is kinda why I'm leaning towards cheaper stuff

[odd epoch]

Remember that repeaters will run at half speed because it has to both send and receive data simultaneously to different points

So a 300Mb will run at 150

[olive mist]

Ah I see

So the Beryl AX's 574 mbps would run at half

Here's a stupid question

What if I use wan aggregation

That is, on
Building wifi > AP(s) > Router (this one)

Doubt it'd work

Too janky

[glass moat]

WAN aggregation is used for multiple internet sources like coaxial modem and cellular modem

also it's a load balancer or failover

[olive mist]

Ah so I can't use it to double my bandwidth

yeah knew it was too stupid

To work like that

[glass moat]

technically it can double your bandwidth but only if you have multiple clients

it wont double the bandwidth for a single download for example

[olive mist]

I could try using the crappy asus router?

But it's crapping out anyqays

That's why I'm replacing it

Or maybe it's my config

The asus router is set to repeater mode

With a lan going into the wan of my main router

[glass moat]

hard to tell since networking can be tempermental at times, and just one wrong setting can make everything not work lol

[olive mist]

Yeah I can't access the internet

And when I can

I have problems syncing to repos

That's why I want to replace the stupid AP all together

[glass moat]

wait

why are you using multiple routers

[olive mist]

the first router is basically a repeater

So I could connect to building wifi

Second router is to separate the network

[glass moat]

you could use the same device to act as both a router and repeater with openwrt at least

[olive mist]

Really?

[glass moat]

yeah

lol

[olive mist]

Hmm

So I'd be better off just buying one good router with openwrt support than this jank

Alright router shopping

Any recommendations for say

$100?

$150?

[odd epoch]

OpenWRT One

[glass moat]

i'd still stick with the gl-inet beryl ax https://store.gl-inet.com/products/beryl-ax-gl-mt3000-pocket-sized-wi-fi-6-wireless-travel-gigabit-router?variant=39880222769246
might be cheaper, select the asia pacific region, it probably would be free shipping

[olive mist]

Surprisingly more expensive than amazon

[glass moat]

interesting lmao

[olive mist]

Aud btw

[glass moat]

ah amazon also has a sale

[olive mist]

Based

[glass moat]

so yeah get from amazon in that case

[olive mist]

How does it compare to regular routers of the same price?

That's bigger in size

[odd epoch]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807609464530.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

[olive mist]

I know size is stupid but

Does size matter? Lmao

[glass moat]

oh yeah i forgot about the openwrt first party router lol

[odd epoch]

$89 unbrickable router with 2.5GbE

[olive mist]

hmmm

How are the wireless speeds

Wait

It supports PoE too?

[glass moat]

not really? larger does allow for passive heat dissipation, the beryl has a fan (which isnt active most of the time, and also is whisper quiet when it does under... idk what kinda load is required, i ran an artificial load on it since it uses linux and it wasnt audible)

[olive mist]

ah

The openwrt one doesn't come with a wifi card?

[glass moat]

no it's built into the board

[olive mist]

Oh what's the m.2 for

nas?

[odd epoch]

Storage for the OS or network share

[olive mist]

Is it needed?

[glass moat]

no

i think?

[odd epoch]

There's the normal flash that covers the basics

[olive mist]

ah

is it worth over the beryl ax tho

[odd epoch]

If you brick that you can switch it to boot off the M.2 instead so you can fix it

Up to you if it's worth it

It's got a few features that I do like a lot

[glass moat]

in terms of value for your money, that router is pretty hard to beat tbh

[odd epoch]

It's also USB C powered so you don't have to worry about the plug type thing

[olive mist]

USB PD right?

[odd epoch]

PD15

[glass moat]

it's about the size of a 3ds xl if you remember how big that was for reference

pretty similarly sized to the beryl

[olive mist]

Oh wow

That's pretty compact

The openwrt one is better if I want to future proof?

Looks like it's got a lot more feature than the Beryl AX

[odd epoch]

AX3000 Wfi 6

[olive mist]

👀

[glass moat]

"future proof" in the sense that it wont lose software support anytime soon at least

[olive mist]

More on the hardware side

Like say

[odd epoch]

Also future proof in the sense that the hardware is serviceable

[olive mist]

If I wanted to run small file server off it

Since it does run off usb pd

I could bring it along

[odd epoch]

Yeah there's a USB C port on the front you can use for that

Plus the M.2 ofc

[olive mist]

Portable file server sounds like a great lan party trick

[odd epoch]

Oh yeah nothing like a steam cache on your router

[olive mist]

Oh yeah I can store games on that

On a different note, how much could I sell a TP-Link C5400X for?

Thinking of selling this to fund my router

[odd epoch]

Looks like about $50 (USD) on ebay, plus shipping

[olive mist]

I'll take it

Hmmm

I could probably cover most of the router with this

[odd epoch]

I usually look at completed listings to get an idea of what price people actually buy it at instead of what people listed it for

[olive mist]

lmao

Ahhh the shipping

💀

Bumps it up to $167.64

[odd epoch]

That's still like $100 USD total

[olive mist]

True

[odd epoch]

Really cheap for a good router

[olive mist]

Ah screw it

I'm gonna get it

It's more versatile than the beryl

Plus it should get better wireless speeds right?

[odd epoch]

Same speed theoretically but the OS is better so you can do real customization and prioritization

[olive mist]

Yeah alright

Does it come pre flashed with openwrt?

[odd epoch]

The device will come with a default OEM Stock Firmware complete with LuCI GUI installed.

Yes

[olive mist]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

WHYYYYYY

[odd epoch]

Nothing in life is certain except death and taxes

[olive mist]

From a pure value perspective the beryl ax is starting to look better

💀

[odd epoch]

Here's the upgrade file if you want to update to the latest snapshot version
https://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/targets/mediatek/filogic/openwrt-mediatek-filogic-openwrt_one-squashfs-sysupgrade.itb

Upgrading the firmware from USB

prepare a FAT32 formatted USB drive that contains the sysupgrade file:
    openwrt-mediatek-filogic-openwrt_one-squashfs-sysupgrade.itb
remove power
insert the USB drive (in any of the two front USB ports?)
make sure NAND boot is selected
press and hold the button on the back side (the button labeled 'reset'?)
power up the device
wait for the LED to go green (the middle of the three front LEDs?)

The device will boot from NAND and the bootloader will reflash the kernel and root filesystem on the NAND.

[glass moat]

idk, both use openwrt and were designed specifically for use with openwrt from the beginning
though gl-inet uses a skin over openwrt, though you can still access the luci interface for more advanced configuration

[olive mist]

I'm starting to lean to back towards the beryl ax ngl after seeing the final cost when adding shipping + tax

[glass moat]

you wouldnt be going wrong with either option imo

[olive mist]

Yeah I'll get the Beryl

Less versatile but wallet feels better

Still miles better than any commercial routers

They're based in Hong Kong?

[glass moat]

ueah

[olive mist]

That seals the deal

[odd epoch]

A lof of tech companies are

[olive mist]

https://tenor.com/view/hong-kong-flag-gif-africa-gif-27417079

I was born there

[glass moat]

the openwrt one router is made in collaboration between openwrt (doesnt have a headquarters) and bananapi (which is an open source project lead by bipai in shenzhen) so it's also a neighbour basically lmao
bananapi provides the hardware production, openwrt provides the software, and also the design

[olive mist]

Open source is great for china tbh

[olive mist]

Epic shipping

Repeater mode

This thing rocks

With the crappy asus that barely worked before I was getting sub-100mbps

Now it works without a fuss and the performance is excellent

Thanks y'all for the excellent recommendations