networks-security-and-home-servers

[junior mulch]

The dd-wrt supports like every netgear except xr1000

[supple vine]

Of course

[junior mulch]

Literally lists XR450 XR500 XR700

No 1000

[supple vine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/128qe69/netgears_xr1000_is_the_worst_router_i_have_ever/

This title says it best

[odd epoch]

Pretty much the same story with OpenWRT

[junior mulch]

I'm really thinking trying to flash merlin

Asus routers use the same SoC

His symptoms are similar to what I had and cake fixed it

There's a logic thread there, just, no one's done it

It could really mess up the router

[odd epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/cake-lie-the-cake-is-a-lie-cake-is-a-lie-gif-19992579

[junior mulch]

It's the only one with support for the chipset but it's not supported at all

This would be a huge gamble

[odd epoch]

If it wasn't such an expensive router I'd be more willing to yolo it

[junior mulch]

Actually some of this is bs

SoC is the same but I think the other hardware differs

So there really is no guarantee

[odd epoch]

It uses an atheros WiFi chipset from my research

[junior mulch]

@supple vine was this on your page

[supple vine]

Yes and I set my PC up for every game I had

Before we tinkered with stuff last night I actually turned it off for some reason because I wasn't sure if it was doing anything

[junior mulch]

Hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNW0kyaIX0&ab_channel=LowPingKing

Tried this?

[supple vine]

So we tinkered with the settings a ton last night

And sometimes it would look better just to eventually be worse again

Was super fickle and Inconsistent

All my results of changing the congestion control and qos I sent last night and never got more than a B on buffer bloat

[junior mulch]

I mean the main issue remaining looked to be just the download bloat

And then maybe unloaded ping

[supple vine]

Which for some reason we couldn't fix

[junior mulch]

I'm still reading all sorts of stuff

[odd epoch]

I'm curious if a DNS change would help. Maybe the ISP DNS is too slow.

[junior mulch]

We did that

@supple vine tried this?https://forum.netduma.com/topic/50971-qos-upload-not-working-xr1000/#comment-369238

@supple vine I've had a really good idea

Is the XR1000 the only router in your uh

Apartment?

House?

Burrow?

...

Shoebox?

[odd epoch]

Hobbit hole?

[junior mulch]

Hm

[supple vine]

Yeah it's the only router I have

I was thinking about going to Walmart and grabbing a cheap one to test with and return

[junior mulch]

Oh dear

Well I'm on that same page rn

Read this

Couple this with the router handling isp settings and apparently you may have a bug with this router

And specifically (omg)

This router

It's the last one in the netgear stack not fully patched

If I could make a suggestion

Find yourself a cheap Asus Wifi 6 router

You can mesh this nighthawk to it, let the asus handle it all

Or even yeah, put a nice QoS/SQM little ethernet switch in the middle to handle it all itself

[supple vine]

Walmart only has tp link and netgear

[junior mulch]

It's becoming very apparent to me you have the same issue I only recently had, but I was able to patch my SoC due to supported firmware, meanwhile yours is lost to the sands of time

[supple vine]

Curses

[junior mulch]

Yeah go find an Asus

A nice RT

Or a gaming one

Or go looking for an SQM switch

Wifi 6+

Reason I say that is Wifi 6 genuinely has it's advantages coming from a router

I think, after reading what feels like

60...? percent

Of all the XR1000 posts

So many complaints, so many statements about "Duma 3.3 will fix it" and it's been years

[supple vine]

Right

[junior mulch]

I'm starting to think you can improve with a different device

[supple vine]

That's what I was saying last night that they are saying fixes are coming and haven't for years

[junior mulch]

That said, if what we had from last night isn't too bad and kinda works despite the ping not really shifting

That's also an option too

If it generally fixes things, good

But if not, I'd go find an Asus RT/TUF/Strix

Wifi 6

Flash merlin

[supple vine]

So I've never used multiple routers at once

Is that worth it

[junior mulch]

Enjoy the beauty of cake

[junior mulch]

Nowadays you can do something called mesh

Basically they tie themselves together and act as one

Only do it if you can expand your reach of your wifi

And need to

[glass moat]

that was why i was so surprised when fal said that it wasnt supported

[junior mulch]

Ikr

Like literally every other router

[supple vine]

I live in an apartment currently so I don't need crazy reach currently

[junior mulch]

Then it should be no worries

[supple vine]

I knew I was gonna need another router

[junior mulch]

I would go look at an Asus personally, cos they have merlin officially supported

[junior mulch]

Hey it was worth a shot

[supple vine]

For sure

[junior mulch]

If you didn't have the single most unsupported router in existence we'd be progressing

[rare spire]

I need a new router so badly, actually just a new wifi plan in general 😭

Verizon 5g internet

Dont even have a LAN cable with it

[junior mulch]

Well yeah

5G isn't lan

Just insane to me that a router is so bugged it literally comes with a 20ms slowdown as a feature

I wouldn't call it a bug except I've seen 3 people with the issue now unable to fix it

And the download bloat matches my own issue with poor SQM stock firmware

[supple vine]

ASUS RT-AX86U Pro (AX5700) Dual Band WiFi 6 Extendable Gaming Router, 2.5G Port, Gaming Port, Mobile Game Mode, Port Forwarding, Subscription-free Network Security, VPN, AiMesh Compatible https://a.co/d/eCtl5lz

[junior mulch]

So the answer is just, new router, cake

[supple vine]

This fire deal?

[junior mulch]

I believe this is merlin compatible

Expensive tbh

Try looking lower end

Put it this way I have better performance on my own net and I bought a $100 one

@supple vine https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-RT-AX3000-802-11ax-Lifetime-Whole-Home/dp/B084BNH26P/

[supple vine]

Was actively looking at that one lol

[junior mulch]

Just checking it's supported hold on

Yep it is

That is a good router imo, try it

[rare spire]

From the router to device i mean

[junior mulch]

Good for gigabit, has merlin, built-in security software

[rare spire]

Regardless, its garbage lol

[junior mulch]

110 dollars

Looks solid

[junior mulch]

Oh you have a router that does 5g wtf

I thought this was your phone bruv

[rare spire]

Yeah

[junior mulch]

Wtf

[rare spire]

Its a white box you plug into the wall

[junior mulch]

Alien magic

[rare spire]

Idek where the antenna is

It has like nothing

[supple vine]

Some KFC store use 4g internet and it sucks

[junior mulch]

How soon does that AX3000 deliver Act

[rare spire]

I despise this thing

[supple vine]

Says Saturday

[junior mulch]

Nice that's fast enough

Go for it

[rare spire]

My parents bought it because its 25 a month, but theres a reason its 25 a month

[junior mulch]

Once you have that, play around a bit

See if it's better

if not

Try this

https://www.asuswrt-merlin.net/download

[rare spire]

Cant even watch stuff in 1440p

[junior mulch]

https://sourceforge.net/projects/asuswrt-merlin/files/

[rare spire]

Despite 100mb

[supple vine]

Gotcha

[junior mulch]

Asus warrants this as long as you successfully update to it

So only 3 minutes of sketchy time

After that you're cruising

It should be fine tho

[rare spire]

I had to stop playing smash ultimate because of it

And i cant even play street fighter 6

Its painful

[junior mulch]

I bet you hate stick drift

[rare spire]

I have a japan import gamecube controller

No issues here

✨

[junior mulch]

And not a switch controller

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[rare spire]

I use a gc adaptor

[rare spire]

I do lol but not enough to get drift on them

If i want to play anything else i just use my ultimate 2c

[junior mulch]

YO

8BITDO FAM

[rare spire]

Ong ong

[junior mulch]

Le epic

[rare spire]

Makin fun of me for no reason, your own brethren 🥹

[supple vine]

A bestbuy 33 minutes minutes away says it has it in store

[junior mulch]

How much

[supple vine]

105 still

[junior mulch]

Solid if you're willing

[supple vine]

Sorry 109.99

[junior mulch]

I endorse it

109 is fine

[supple vine]

I can get canes if I go

[junior mulch]

Canes look cool with any suit

I dig

[supple vine]

Felix noooooo

[junior mulch]

I'm always guilty until proven innocent

[junior mulch]

?

[rare spire]

Also speaking of 8bitdo

[supple vine]

Canes is chicken food place lol

[rare spire]

https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Bluetooth-Swappable-Programmable-PC/dp/B0CCP6HLZR?th=1&psc=1

[junior mulch]

Oh is this fast food?

Ohhh

Bruv I ain't american

[rare spire]

I wanna get this thing and swap out the switches

[supple vine]

I thought so lol

[junior mulch]

TIL Cane's

Where's ur '

[supple vine]

You need to get canes on day

[junior mulch]

[supple vine]

One day*

[junior mulch]

Best we got here are cane stores

[rare spire]

Canes is mid

[supple vine]

Specifically with their canes sauce

[rare spire]

Its not bad

[junior mulch]

Put boba u4 blacks in

[rare spire]

But its just chicken

[supple vine]

I thought the same thing until I tried the sauce

Definitely mid without the sauce

[rare spire]

Sheesh those things are pricey

Oh wait no amazon is just a rip off

[rare spire]

I have not tried the sauce, got me there

[supple vine]

I only first tried it a couple months ago. Didn't really like canes before that at all

[rare spire]

I dont ever eat out so ive not had many chances

[supple vine]

I feel it

Yoink

[true venture]

I have an odd idea. If I buy a router and forward the ports I need for some game servers would I be able to just plug the router in anywhere I go and the servers will work?

[supple vine]

I think your IP address would change if you changed modems if I'm not mistaken

But I'm not anything near an expert at this stuff so definitely wait for another opinion

[feral eagle]

well ye if you are switching out network gateways and especially if you change location the public ip will change and you would have to send friends new address or change the addresses to any domains you might have setup (I didn't read whole log pardon if I misinterpret).

the internal addresses should be same on the systems connected to the router though

[glass moat]

hmm

if you set up a ddns you might be able to not need to change the address people are connecting to

though you'll either need to buy or find a free domain name

[supple vine]

You could use a proxy

Like I used tcp shield for Minecraft servers and bought a cheap domain name

[odd epoch]

Tailscale I think could handle this

[true venture]

Hmm so it's not as plug and play as I hoped.

I will look into TCP Shield and Tailscale.

I plan to host a public Minecraft server off my home network after I arrive in Alaska in a couple weeks.

For security is there anything I can do to secure my home network without making the ping horrible for the players?

[supple vine]

Tcp shield is ddos mitigation as well

Completely free if youre not doing anything crazy

[true venture]

What do you mean by crazy? Like user count or?

[supple vine]

Yeah like a ton of people with a bunch of mods or something

[true venture]

Typically around 100-200 Forge mods (most are performance and libraries) and for users it's around 10-50 people.

For hardware I plan to use 2-4 cores from 7950x3D's Frequency CCD and around 20GB of ram.

[supple vine]

Hmmm

youll probably be fine with tcp shield free honestly

worst comes to worst you can get the paid version for 25 a month

[true venture]

gotcha

[supple vine]

it worked really well for me once i got it all set up

[true venture]

any security concerns I should have? I have hosted multiple servers before with paid hosts but not from home yet

[supple vine]

Me personally i had no security concerns

i recommend looking into it a bunch beforehand if you are worried

[true venture]

I am not really worried. Just the cautious type that likes to know if there is something I missed if you understand what I mean. I understand that DDOS attacks are network attacks using bots to overload and crash a server which seems to be the most common thing for Minecraft and that the vast majority of minecraft gamers are typically incapable of hacking (actual hacking).

[supple vine]

Gotcha, yeah tcp shield shoud be able to help with the ddosing if that were to ever occur

@junior mulch on the new router without messing with anything

unloaded is a lot better and speeds are beautiful

[true venture]

Some Routers come with built in protection if I recall right?

[true venture]

I think Netgear had it? Like where if it detects suspicious traffic it will prevent it from gaining access until otherwise specified.

[true venture]

beautiful speeds

[supple vine]

for ddos i am honestly not sure but on my netgear router in the logs it did warn of dos attacks

they werent actually dos attacks but it was showing something

[true venture]

I used to have a really old Netgear router that my father bought so he can setup a vpn network on it in China.

[supple vine]

the reason im in this channel is because my expensive netgear router sucked lol

just bought an asus one lol

[true venture]

Oh okay.

[supple vine]

i personally will not be going back to netgear unless they change things up

[true venture]

Asus makes A grade or Sus grade routers?

[supple vine]

im not sure the rating but online ive seen lots of good things. in here as well

[true venture]

Gotcha.

[supple vine]

this is the one i just got

[true venture]

Wow that's way less than I would of thought.

[supple vine]

right

[true venture]

The Netgear we had from like 10 years ago was around $350 before import.

[supple vine]

the netgear one was more expensive and was not getting me my speeds

if you scroll up i sent a ton of screenshots

[true venture]

Did it's job well but I doubt it's still working lmfao. the thing's been sitting in a car in the snow for a year now

[supple vine]

im in my new routers settings and there is ddos protection

[true venture]

Do you think it's worth buying a good router not just for speed but for the sake of having a good UI?

[true venture]

Oh neat.

because the past year or so I have been in mexico and in 3 separate homes the Router has had a complete piece of s--- UI and by the time I had every thing forwarded I found it the community had something that blocks all incoming connections making port-forwarding a waste of time.

[true venture]

How is the UI? User Friendly or no?

[supple vine]

im not a genius or anything and the ui is fine for me honestly

pretty straight forward and organized

[true venture]

that is way better than the sh-- I have had to look at lately.

Disorganized and looks like a 90s computer terminal

[supple vine]

Felix i changed the dns to cloudflare and turned on the gaming QOS preset.

[supple vine]

that really sucks

[true venture]

I assume it supports port-forwarding?

[supple vine]

oh yeah

[true venture]

perfect. Would you say it's been worth the $100 you spent on it?

[west cape]

I was about to buy this but got the cheaper version

the 1800

[supple vine]

I can vouch for the one i got so far

[west cape]

Yeah it seems to be good

[true venture]

Thank you. I think I will probably purchase it once I am settled in Alaska then.

[supple vine]

Mexico to alaska is quite the move lol

[true venture]

Just put it in the cart

[west cape]

I bought a used - very good 1800s on amazon for like $42

[true venture]

Nice.

[west cape]

Gonna put openwrt on it

[supple vine]

sheesh

[west cape]

I did not know alpha was in mexico

Thats crazy

[supple vine]

said it here lol

[west cape]

Moving halfway across the world

[supple vine]

hot to cold

[true venture]

I have been here for about a year in a half now. Was in Alaska, MX, Alaska, Canada, California previously.

[west cape]

Oh true

[supple vine]

wow

sorry you had to live in Cali

[west cape]

[odd epoch]

As a californian I second this

[true venture]

I was there during 2022, lived in Lake Tahoe. The fire sucked but I enjoyed the Fall, and Winter.

Lived around Truckee specifically.

Is there a site I can use to test my ping to a location so I can get an idea as to what someone's ping might be to a game server?

Like for example to test my ping from here to Alaska.

[supple vine]

just found this

https://gameserverping.com/

[true venture]

not perfect but I noticed they have Canada, Alaska is just a little north west of it.

53ms from here to Central Canada so not bad

[odd epoch]

I have a VPN and I can run a traceroute to find ping times between nodes

Which game are you wondering about @true venture

[true venture]

Minecraft. Most of the people who play are in the United States.

[odd epoch]

What server IP/address? You can DM it to me if it's private

[true venture]

I wanted to know how good or bad the connection would be for someone in the lower states like Florida or Texas if they tried to connect to a server in Alaska.

[true venture]

Currently running it off of the Essential Mod.

[odd epoch]

Ok so that's a self hosted server, therefore you don't have an IP yet. Got it.

Right so what I can do is VPN to Atlanta and traceroute a government server in alaska

[true venture]

I'd really appreciate that.

I would like to avoid paying $80/mo for a server that performs worse than my PC can as a server.

[supple vine]

real

[odd epoch]

Yep that's why when my neighbor offered to sell me an old HP workstation with an E5-1650 I jumped on it. Offered him $100 and used some of my old storage I had lying around, and now it's my plex/dns/nas/steam cache.

[odd epoch]

~150ms

[true venture]

Hmm. Not ideal but playable for Minecraft.

By routing to atlanta before connecting to Alaska that increases latency correct?

vs a direct connection to Alaska from Atlanta.

[odd epoch]

I'm counting that, I subtracted the 50ms it takes from CA to GA

[true venture]

Oh.

[odd epoch]

That's why I did a traceroute, so I can see the times for each node hop

[true venture]

Well it is what it is I suppose.

[true venture]

gotcha!

Thank you guys for your help!

[supple vine]

np

[true venture]

I gotta go now so I will be back later.

[supple vine]

i tweaked some more

[odd epoch]

Well the latency is better but the speed sure isn't

[glass moat]

Personally I prefer cli management lol

[supple vine]

yeah im not sure why it did that i did not lower it that much

probably just isp being suck

oh god

i set upload and download backwards

sorry isp, for now

[glass moat]

[feral eagle]

Honestly even 150ms isn’t terrible, just as long as it is consistent

[supple vine]

updating a game and the download speed went from 15 to 50 when i fixed it lol

[glass moat]

Lmao

[supple vine]

im so used to it being download then upload

but this router has upload before download

this buffer bloat is tripping man

setting the bandwith setting to automatic seems to be better

does this warrant flashing merlin on it?

[odd epoch]

Ask yourself if it's worth the risk, because that's uncharted territory.

Worst case scenario you need a new router.

[supple vine]

what does merlin even do

[odd epoch]

It's a different firmware entirely, basically like switching from Mac to Windows

The different firmware will use the same hardware in an entirely different way

[supple vine]

so theres a chance it will be better at handling bufferbloat?

Felix mentioned cake

what is that

[odd epoch]

Yes, and that would be a plugin for QoS https://github.com/ttgapers/cakeqos-merlin

The buffer is handled on the software side of things so unless it's a hardware or ISP level issue a better firmware will help a lot

[supple vine]

i think the risk would be worth it

i mean the router and software has been out a while

should be on the safer side i would think

"Not recommended for connection up/down of 250Mbps or higher. Note: Users with higher up/down connections have reported lower peaks but better stability and user experience overall and continue to use Cake."

lol

[odd epoch]

They say this and then the screenshot of the status page shows 350

[supple vine]

true

now i gotta figure out how to flash merlin

[odd epoch]

That's one I haven't used before so I'm not going to be much help there

[supple vine]

watching a video currently

[supple vine]

okay

guess im on merlin

doesnt really look any different

[supple vine]

not sure how to install cake

used putty to ssh into the router and pasted the "installer" and it cant open a dir

maybe the merlin install failed or just need to reboot the router again

[odd epoch]

It might have a dual firmware backup system, and if that's the case you'd have to flash it twice

[supple vine]

was just about to flash it again lol

Firmware upgrade unsuccessful. This may result from incorrect image or error transmission. Please check the version of firmware and try again.

lovely

that would explain why it didnt have cake lol

[odd epoch]

Yep that would explain it

It's probably looking for a signed image

Which you can spoof to trick it into flashing anyway but then the image needs to be written specifically for that device

[supple vine]

but that would mean everyone doing this would have to do it

[odd epoch]

Only on devices that have that kind of lock

Other firmware does the same thing, where they'll have a specific basic image for a router that gets it to pass the signature check, and it's functional enough to flash the full version afterwards

[supple vine]

shoot

routers not supported for merlin

lovely

v1 is but this is v2

found some forks that are made for v2 though

https://github.com/gnuton/asuswrt-merlin.ng

official merlin fork

its on the merlin website

[supple vine]

we are on merlin now

got really worried for a second

[odd epoch]

Oh nice, I was about to suggest a different one that has support for it officially, DumaOS

[supple vine]

dumaOS can shut down forever

curse netgear

[odd epoch]

Oh is that what it comes with? What I'm looking at must be a modified version of the stock OS then

NetDuma

[supple vine]

thats what my old router had

DumaOS 3.0

the one with all the issues that the devs havent fixed for years depite saying fixes are coming

[odd epoch]

Yeah that sounds about right from the forums I looked at

They claimed to have "beta versions" with fixes but never released them

[supple vine]

yeah

my internet speeds change so much throughout the day its impossible to set proper bandwith limits

earlier i was getting over 900

now im getting 200+

like what

[supple vine]

turned off qos for the 5 most recent ones to see what speeds im getting

download would go to 800+ then drop to 500+

lovely

then only started getting 200+ randomly

having an isp tech come out here

got someone coming tomorrow morning cause this is insane

[glass moat]

You're getting so much more upload than advertised lmao

[supple vine]

enabled cake qos with bandwith limits

pain

[feral eagle]

Is this on wifi or ethernet

[junior mulch]

You enabled cake yeah?

Set cake to about, 70%-ish of your download, same for your upload (do 32-ish mbps)

Try test again see what it does

The settings for cake btw, you should be able to leave the settings either at 48 (default) or 42

[junior mulch]

This gives me hope tbh

Your unloaded dropped right down, so appropriate rule sets should fix that other bloat

Try setting your test device (wired) to be added to game boost

Insane to me that a nighthawk adds 10-15ms latency on it's own

[junior mulch]

The RT's are really good

[west cape]

Yeah they seem to be

[junior mulch]

Not the most amazing things but they review well

[west cape]

Got one coming monday

[junior mulch]

Not like an edge router

But good

[junior mulch]

If you run into buffer issues have a look into merlin like above^

Cake is a good SQM custom feature

Fixed my ass spikey latency right up

[supple vine]

yeah i have no clue why the router went crazy on the unloaded

but yes we are on merlin and cake

now

[junior mulch]

Keep messing with it lad it's already looking way better

The goal is you have most of your bandwidth and better latency

Remember to use game boost as well on the router

It also comes with endpoint security

[supple vine]

dude when i was on the merlin website and it said V1 was supported and not v2 and i checked my guide and it said v2 i was crushed

until i found that other fork

[junior mulch]

Ye ur good lol

I'm also on the other fork btw

So, qos, cake, set up dns properly

Automatic ip wan

Cake should be pppoe vlan or default

So -48 or -42

Mtu and mru may also need adjusting

(go from 1492 and go down 10 at a time)

From this point onwards I'd be shotgunning it out basically

Game boost every device that you play games with including the test system

All this^ should be everything you need to do to get a good latency result

If you achieve that with not full bandwidth, hell, even half the full bandwidth, that's a victory

[supple vine]

where is game boost lol

[junior mulch]

Side bar

It's a whole section

[supple vine]

mines does not have that

[junior mulch]

Hm

It's capable of it, weird

Oh

[junior mulch]

Gear up

It's called gear up

https://www.asus.com/au/support/faq/1053262/

Same thing different name

Oh wth it's not on the menu

[supple vine]

yeah i got scammed or something

[junior mulch]

Ah it's not available on US models

Interesting

Ok have you changed any of the other settings on the qos

Ones we didn't talk about

[supple vine]

not that im aware of

that screenshot has those settings

[junior mulch]

Ok did 42 give you the earlier results

For packet overhead

If it did try 48

[supple vine]

thats when i got this

but

my bandwith was set higher

let me test rn

[junior mulch]

Ok

[supple vine]

at the settings i screenshotted

[junior mulch]

Hmmm

Can you screenshot the other qos tab

Oh I think I know what this is

Ok yeah send me that screenshot

You still there mate

@supple vine

[supple vine]

sorry yeah working rn and was on a call my bad

[junior mulch]

Come back for a min lol

Instructions

1. Screenshot of QoS tab

[junior mulch]

2. In windows on the pc

Go to settings app

Go to update

Click on

Pause for 1 week

Then go to advanced

Delivery optimisation

You're looking for "Allow downloads from other devices"

Turn that off as well for now

Then go to network and internet

Click on your ethernet connection

Set your profile type to "Public"

And set connection as metered

With these things done, close everything else down (That you can obviously)

Including discord

Like right down

Then run that test again

I'm willing to bet that +45 turns to +0

If I'm right then we cracked it finally

[supple vine]

okie dokie

[junior mulch]

If it's still a little off, change the wan packet method to -48

Default basically

[supple vine]

Nope 😦

We are at +70 now

Download

[junior mulch]

💀

Was that +48 or +42

For wan packet

[supple vine]

42

[junior mulch]

Try 48

[supple vine]

Should I have mpu set at anything?

[junior mulch]

No

[supple vine]

And mode normal?

[junior mulch]

Ye

[junior mulch]

So did this tab not give a list of different tasks you can prioritise?

The QoS

For "Gaming, media streaming" etc

It should be below the QoS tab you screenshotted

[supple vine]

It did

[junior mulch]

Ok have you set those?

[supple vine]

Until I changed it to cake

[junior mulch]

Ah

Ok

Just checking

[supple vine]

Testing rn

Okay this test is bunk

Unloaded jumped to 132

[junior mulch]

Still bloating?

Oof

[supple vine]

But

[junior mulch]

Try reconnection to the router

[supple vine]

Not bloat

Weird

[junior mulch]

Yeah loaded will be fine

Cos unloaded bunk

[supple vine]

Oh yeah lol

[junior mulch]

Reconnect

Rerun

[supple vine]

Like my lan to PC right?

[junior mulch]

Ye

Also try swapping to the other DNS settings on the router as well if need be

You might find google or cloudflare is better, depends on your situation

[supple vine]

I did switch to cloud flare

[junior mulch]

Google may be better for you, we won't know without testing

If you change dns tho you need to reconnect otherwise the test is skewed

[supple vine]

Heres when I initially did that after just getting the router

[junior mulch]

Right

So google could be better

We won't know for sure

[supple vine]

Will try after this test

[junior mulch]

Ye

[supple vine]

Oh man this is bad

[junior mulch]

Unloaded spike?

[supple vine]

Way up

Like crazy

[junior mulch]

Ok swap back to -42

We're shotgunning settings so this'll happen

So 42 is the closest, we're just missing something still

[supple vine]

Switching the settings now

[junior mulch]

Yep yep

Swap to -42 then try google dns

Reconnect

[supple vine]

Switching to 42 then testing

[junior mulch]

Retest

[supple vine]

Then will switch to Google DNS and retest

[junior mulch]

Alr

[supple vine]

Still terrible

I have a contact ping to Google running and it's ping is spiking and sometimes dropping while running the test

[junior mulch]

Ok do google dns

[supple vine]

On 42

[junior mulch]

Reconnect to the router

[supple vine]

I would do that under wan right?

[junior mulch]

You must reconnect after changing dns

[supple vine]

Not under lan

[junior mulch]

Ye

Also under there, we will start changing mtu

So it should default 1492

After DNS change and reconnect, test 1492, down 10 every time

[supple vine]

Where it says wan mtu?

[junior mulch]

Ye

Default should be 1492, fill that out

Then adjust accordingly down with every test

Sometimes MTU being too high is what causes the nasty jitter/bloat

[supple vine]

Google DNS change

Changing mtu

[junior mulch]

Fascinating

Yeah set mtu try again

If that doesn't work, disconnect, reconnect to it

And reboot router as well

[supple vine]

Still applying settings for some reason

Well I went to reload the page and now the page won't load lol

Still have Internet tho

Still not loading

Should I reboot router

[junior mulch]

Rebooting takes a long time

Like 4 minutes

It will disconnect in that time so you may need to refresh

[supple vine]

The asusrouterm.com site can't be reached

[junior mulch]

Reboot it

[supple vine]

Didn't load Asus router.com still

I had to put the default gateway in to get it to load

Odd

Applying wan mtu again

Actually worked this time

[junior mulch]

Weird ok

Try test again

[glass moat]

Private DNS stuff sometimes acts funky
I always just use the router's IP aka the gateway IP to configure

Actually, maybe the problem is because you're not using the router's DNS so it's bypassed

[junior mulch]

Then why'd you tell me to use a custom one you butthole

YOU BUTTHOLE

[glass moat]

Well
Maybe you should've set up a private DNS server and pihole

[glass moat]

[supple vine]

Pain

[junior mulch]

Ok so google just slow? weird

[supple vine]

I blame my ISP

[glass moat]

Also why are you taking pictures instead of screenshots lol

[supple vine]

He told me to close discord lol

[junior mulch]

Try what 343 said, do no DNS

[glass moat]

Oh

[supple vine]

So I'm on my phone

[junior mulch]

I did

It adds bloat

I measured this

[glass moat]

Amazing

[junior mulch]

Try automatic DNS like 343 said but also do MTU 1452

[glass moat]

Default DNS you mean lmao

[junior mulch]

Sure

Auto, default

[glass moat]

Which would be the ISP's dns

[junior mulch]

Same thing

Mr pedantic

Smhhh

[glass moat]

It does sound right

Doesnt

[junior mulch]

I really have just taken to badmouthing you daily

[glass moat]

Autocorrect moment

[glass moat]

Is this my punishment for the unending stream of ralicx jabs

Just like how he couldn't hold back

[supple vine]

Poop

Asusrouter.com still doesn't work anymore for some reason

Fixed it

Was dns director causing it

[glass moat]

Tbh

Asusrouter.com is such a long name that it probably would be faster to just type 192.168.1.1 or whatever the subnet it's on

[junior mulch]

Tf is bloating this now

Wtf

[supple vine]

I have it pinned anyways

[junior mulch]

Lmfaoooo

[glass moat]

At least if you can use the numpad

[junior mulch]

What sorcery changed

[glass moat]

Also ☠️

[supple vine]

Dude I think it's the time of night or something

That's why I'm having a tech come in the morning to look at stuff

Because it should not be changing this much

[junior mulch]

Make settings like this

[glass moat]

My old ISP got faster at night due to less people using it

[supple vine]

You'd think so

Its 12 am

[glass moat]

Must be everybody watching.... Porcupine documentaries

No other explanations

[supple vine]

For real

Turned off qos and got this lol

[glass moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-what-what-the-what-the-hell-confused-gif-5148050941166749560

[junior mulch]

It's chaos

Is that nighthawk being used at all

[supple vine]

Hell

No

Its on the floor

[junior mulch]

Ok good

So something we've changed has made it go cuckoo

Hmmm

Ok recall

What's been changed so far

Anything you remember, it's important

Or we can take the easier road, just factory reset, start over

It was looking good at the start

[supple vine]

I mean I don't think we've changing anything crazy

[glass moat]

If turning off QoS improved it (assuming it wasn't just a freak coincidence) then it has to be one of the qos settings

[supple vine]

Hate typing on phone

Cake qos back on

[junior mulch]

Why does unloaded keep increasing

[junior mulch]

Maybe the initial settings isn't correct

Maybe we are supposed to be using another option

We may need to test all these for WAN packet choice

[supple vine]

Changed mtu back to blank, changed DNS to cloudflare, and set cake to 48 0 normal

[junior mulch]

Ok unloaded dropped like a stone

Good sign

So something else is at play

Set upload to 32mbps

download to 215mbps

Try that

Just for the test

If it still suffers, change mode to ATM

[glass moat]

Try cake set to 22 overhead and mpu 64 (this is the recommended setting from OpenWRT using cake)
Mode ethernet I think?

https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/traffic-shaping/sqm

[junior mulch]

Ethernet with vlan?

Lets just keep shotgunning

[glass moat]

Average networking troubleshooting

[feral eagle]

I may have forgotten but is this dsl?

[junior mulch]

It would help to know what his isp net type is

[glass moat]

Considering the speeds

Probably not?

Pretty damn fast DSL if so

[feral eagle]

you never know

[junior mulch]

It can be vdsl2, ethernet vlan, or conservative default

Based on what I remember

Mode might be normal, atm, ptm

Not sure there

[junior mulch]

WOOO

OK CLOSE

Drop download

MOAR

[supple vine]

I have spectrum ISP if that helps any

[junior mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[glass moat]

Was that with the settings I said or something else

[supple vine]

With this stuff

[glass moat]

Ah

See if the cake settings that I said helps or makes it worse

[junior mulch]

WAIT

Just

Drop download more

For now

Then we can try other stuff

[supple vine]

Testing this now

[junior mulch]

PRAYGE

https://tenor.com/view/the-fountain-hugh-jackman-brightlight-enlightenment-gif-5011749

[glass moat]

Imagine +200ms again

[junior mulch]

I will

Expl

Go get a coffee

[glass moat]

Just like ral-

[junior mulch]

GAH

WHY IT NOT 150?

[supple vine]

Good question

[junior mulch]

Lets try 343 suggestion

Also change mode from normal to ATM

[glass moat]

Isn't one of the options ethernet vlan

[supple vine]

Yes

[junior mulch]

We just got it back to 20

[glass moat]

Try that first since it seems like that's the recommended option

[junior mulch]

Are you sure 343

[glass moat]

We gotta try to find out

[supple vine]

This is Ethernet with vlan

[junior mulch]

Try mode atm

Instead of normal

I'm curious

[glass moat]

Here's the chart if nobody looked at the link I sent earlier

Also I'm making the assumption that you're using DOCSIS because of your speeds

[junior mulch]

It can also be fibre

[glass moat]

True

[supple vine]

Don't think it's fiber

Spectrum Internet

[glass moat]

Does it look like a tv cable

Into the modem

[junior mulch]

Gigabit can be fibre

[supple vine]

Coaxial

[junior mulch]

Coax is copper, copper not that fast

My gigabit is fibre

[glass moat]

Ok coaxial would be DOCSIS then

[junior mulch]

Ok I'm apparently stupid

[glass moat]

Also the most recent version of DOCSIS can do like

2 gig speeds

[glass moat]

Hmmmmm

[junior mulch]

Nice

It's horrible

Try the fibre settings

[supple vine]

That's not atm btw

[junior mulch]

Ye

Try the fibre settings, ATM

See what it does

Ok just confirming, spectrum is automatic IP for WAN

[supple vine]

Which ones fibre lol

My whole Internet is dropping when I do anything now lol

[junior mulch]

Ethernet with vlan

Yes it will

[supple vine]

We just did Ethernet with vlan but I'll change to atm

[junior mulch]

Yes

MPU 84

Mode ATM

[supple vine]

Yep 42 84 atm

[junior mulch]

Yep yep

Then give it a whip

[glass moat]

Whipper snapper

[supple vine]

Gonna try that again lol

[glass moat]

WHAT

[junior mulch]

MPU 64

[supple vine]

Didn't change anything

[glass moat]

Waddahail

[junior mulch]

MPU 84 mode PTM

[supple vine]

Un momento

[junior mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/novela-telenovela-shocked-zoom-omg-gif-25795602

[supple vine]

I could try the docsis preset

Which is 18 64 normal

[junior mulch]

Mode normal

[supple vine]

Testing

[junior mulch]

Yeah just that

[supple vine]

Okay okay

Not bad so far

[junior mulch]

If it goes back to +40 +0 I'm convinced it's some setting

Meaning cake is either correct or mostly correct

And possibly also windows in the mix

[supple vine]

Unloaded went up tho

[junior mulch]

Yeah this looks better

Ok I think this is the correct wan packet setting

[glass moat]

Wait are we still using Chrome

[junior mulch]

That could be a factor yeah

[supple vine]

Brave browser currently

Can switch to something else

[glass moat]

Hmm

Maybe it's time to edge

[junior mulch]

You could edge maybe

Log out of brave go edging

Try test there

[glass moat]

[junior mulch]

We are close

Fwiw we are really close

[supple vine]

I'm edging

[supple vine]

Earlier my speakers randomly said something to me

Like bumblebee from transformers

Scared the hell out of me

[glass moat]

Narrator off

[supple vine]

They are hooked up to my record player

Which had nothing on it

Had to have been a ghost

[junior mulch]

If it asks for the cube, ignore it

[supple vine]

Spirit box type jazz

[junior mulch]

Not important

They can wait

World destruction AFTER fixed router

[supple vine]

Edging

[junior mulch]

Ffs

[junior mulch]

DAMMIT

REeeeEEe

Ok unloaded and upload looks good tho

[glass moat]

We live in a society

[junior mulch]

Go back into the router

Change MTU way down

Lets try 1392

Then Download bring up to 240

Test agin

a gin

[glass moat]

I'd need a gin

After all this

[junior mulch]

You?

You need?

I'm replaying my own thesis here

[supple vine]

LOL

[junior mulch]

This poor dude and me poor dude

[supple vine]

[junior mulch]

"Just change to cloudflare DNS"

[glass moat]

Me ignoring my own latency issues since I don't even play multiplayer games

[junior mulch]

[junior mulch]

Oooooo

Ok MTU back to 1452

I think you have something trying to vampire your net on windows

[glass moat]

I get a b on bufferbloat and I'm like b for better than I need already

[junior mulch]

Make sure as much as you can on there is closed down

So just edging

Test once MTU is set back and you can confirm a bunch of programs are closed down

It can be literally anything

Even some rgb software

Cos then it'll shift you in the QOS queue

Download gets rerouted

God we're so close

That stupid download bloat

[supple vine]

Testing mtu 1452

[junior mulch]

1452 should flip the upload back

[supple vine]

It did but not to 0

[junior mulch]

How close

Like 5?

[junior mulch]

Good enough

Ok yeah I suspect your pc rn

Something is open that is reprioritising your router

Flush all programs you can

[supple vine]

Closed wallpaper engine and my mic software lol

Testing

[junior mulch]

Cos what I think is gonna happen here is you will get into a game, I bet the ping is now 20

20-25

But the waveform test ensures consistency

[supple vine]

Earlier even when I had the good score before Merlin I opened valorant and the ping was horrible

[junior mulch]

Steam, discord, even printer software

[supple vine]

Yep that's closed already since earlier

[junior mulch]

Yep anything that isn't core useful

Ok it went down a little more

Interesting

Keep closing windows programs

[supple vine]

Idk what else I can close

I'm gutted

[junior mulch]

Anything that isn't basic windows or edge

[supple vine]

Okay

Nothing left in my carrot menu

[junior mulch]

I'm a carrot guy but never seen carrots in my windows

Literally everything

[supple vine]

Autocorrect cooked me

[junior mulch]

Like no recourse

[supple vine]

You are not gonna believe this

[junior mulch]

I've seen a lot

I will likely believe it

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[junior mulch]

Hahahaha

Disconnect the ethernet

[supple vine]

Maybe it was a bunk test

[junior mulch]

Plug it back in

[supple vine]

Ok

[feral eagle]

anyone here happen to be good with traefik

[junior mulch]

We didn't change anything router side so that can't be a normal thing

Oh

Can you use your 4g/5g on phone

[supple vine]

How the hell is it worse now

I am lol

[junior mulch]

Get that off the wifi if you can

Fascinating

We just closed programs down

[supple vine]

Yeah

[junior mulch]

It should be absolutely better

Lmfao

[supple vine]

You'd think so

I'm saying I think my ISP is trolling me or something

Bunk modem or my coaxial sucks or something

[junior mulch]

Reboot modem?

[supple vine]

After lan reseat btw

[feral eagle]

well coax isn't the most consistent either

[junior mulch]

Lol