campaign

[gloomy canopy]

His Dante one-shot your Dante... with normal attack?

How much health does your Dante have sheesh

[gusty bone]

200k

it was crit

[gloomy canopy]

Why did their Dante do so much with basic attack lol... Neb buffed?

[patent tree]

Nebula does magical things.

[undone stirrup]

is this cat worth xD ?

[patent tree]

No. Only good tank is Chobba.

[meager ether]

No? Chabba isnt that great of a tank

Corvus, Rufus, Aurora, probably Cleaver are the top tanks in the game

[gusty bone]

87k neb buff and jet crit

[gusty bone]

you realiuze that asking inf brand new hero id kinda stupid no one knows yet

[tight cipher]

it's 50%, either it is, or it doesn't

[dusky cove]

cleaver is nowhere close to top...

[gloomy canopy]

Rufus Aurora Corvus Julius Asta Cleaver Ziri Luther Galabad is probably the order

[gloomy canopy]

Oh ok Neb buff lol I was gonna say that Dante must be cracked to deal 100k on first hit

[gloomy canopy]

He's good tho

[gusty bone]

kit look likes better astaroth but wil see ;;p

[gloomy canopy]

Spelling 100

[upper monolith]

@gloomy canopy Hi.

[undone stirrup]

weird i though this game run like

this character went fo server 1 frist then.. etc till 182

[gusty bone]

nah its smae time for everyone

[undone stirrup]

ahhh i see

[undone stirrup]

do you think nebula skins are worth ? to buy or no?

or spend my agility points on Dante ( Armor prenetration skin ) since ihave it lvl 10

[gusty bone]

dont buy neb skins yet

[undone stirrup]

so should i spend my agility points on dante ?

i have about 5k

[gusty bone]

yez

[undone stirrup]

i know iam asking alot is astral season worth ?

[gusty bone]

maybe dont ask every rando mquestion in xampaign section but yes it is

after coolant faceroling ch 15

can farm throwing knives finaly ;p

[spice rapids]

lucky 😢

i cant even beat runaway princess, how did u do it with that team?

[gusty bone]

that was so long ago

i punched thorugh it

but further in chapter its the same scheme

for most part

priests fo seymor are like al the time in chapter 15

[spice rapids]

how didnt u get murdered by magic dmg

i have a 70k dante and cant come close to beating second stage

[gusty bone]

possibly i had aidan

to surrvive i think, doria aidan etc

iris solves most of my issues with priest of seymour

[spice rapids]

ok ty ill try that

[gusty bone]

i know that part i used variouis comps

aidan fafnir doria tried varoiuus stuff

reached that asylum

[spice rapids]

might try that, actually

i have a big enough aidan he shouldnt die too fast

thanks so much!

[gusty bone]

😦 my low earth team wil take forever

[gloomy canopy]

Bro I used to do 5 a day... even now only 9 a day... I have a little over a week left now

[gusty bone]

ah

[gusty bone]

so what 2 months to pass this ?

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah something like that

If you get 13 a day, you have a little over a month

39 days

[gusty bone]

will see maybe will improbe titans means while though its rough

[gloomy turret]

i passed in 20 days

1 star fire

[patent tree]

I remember that Titan Gauntlet. Was fun. I think i actually cleared it one time.

Imagine if you needed to clear it and not lose any titans to 3 star?

[gloomy canopy]

I'm imagining like a normal campaign mission but it's titans instead

I would cry so hard lol my titans are mega trash 😭

And you can't even use baby strats or anything you need to have them actually strong lol

[gusty bone]

maybe much higher power i dont knoow

[dire oar]

Wave 4 water is as far as I get atm, before I die.

[nocturne ingot]

I think my team Yasmine is strong because I just beat chapter 13 with only level 90 with orange rank.

[patent tree]

It's easy until 14, 14 is a reality check for sure. I believe in you though. Yas is strong. I used her as main tank for the last two non Seymour missions of 15. Until then, was using Alvanor as main tank because the spheres are annoying.

[late rivet]

Hey all, I'm currently on Kharnak (Heart of the Capital mission, ch 14), and I am not sure which pet to level. I am leveling Albus (patron Kayla for me) and Oliver (usually patron to Astaroth, sometimes Jorgen). Both of them are currently about the same power level overall. Which one will be more helpful vs Kharnak?

I also need to level Cain at some point (Dante is one of my strongest heroes) but he is super weak right now, and I don't want to change my strategy just for campaign.

[dusky cove]

cain is main pet for dante teams,
albus - used mainly for guild raid and some events
oliver - patronage for tank is actually only use - just get him to violet and it will work for long time

most universal team pet, working for almost any team, is axel.. very important for any yasmine team where yasmine is not in front

[jovial smelt]

Jhu

[late rivet]

thanks, but I really don't want to start over with a new pet just for campaign. I have Oliver and Albus at violet and I want to keep leveling both of them. But I will focus on one of them for a while if it helps in campaign, then focus on the other one to catch up after I clear the campaign stage

So Axel is really not an option for me right now

[late rivet]

I don't have Jhu, and I don't have the resources to get him.

[dusky cove]

it is not just for campaign... actually jhu team is only one i know which can get hurt by axel as team pet - for almost any othe team it is best pet everywhere, especially in pvp

[patent tree]

Axel high enough can drop max damage received below 50%. So you can survive a 2 shot.

That is near max though.

[dim dove]

well, not that close. if u get him to abs star, ur fine at violet+2 even

if u stay at 5 stars, u need v+3, but not even one full gem, so thats doable in less than a month after getting him to v+3

[gloomy canopy]

Wdym? Jhu suffers with Axel team pet?

[gloomy canopy]

With Seb you can't

[dim dove]

jhu is super low health so others get hit harder

[dusky cove]

against some teams jhu is permanently at 1 hp...

[patent tree]

Jhu main ability is to stay alive, you want him to take hits. Having axel will have him be the lowest hp and distribute the damage to other heroes. ... I

[dusky cove]

jhu can't die, but his "not-dying" is applied after axel splits dmg and redirects 99% of it to others

[patent tree]

Because his extra crit damage does not apply to the limit or because it counts as a second hit and therefore turn a two shot into 4 shot?

[dusky cove]

seb's dmg is separate hit

[patent tree]

I hated being "one shot" while I had Axel on a hero. K'arkh crits with Sebastian would bypass my damage reduction.

[dusky cove]

yes.. you would get 2 hits - one from initial physical dmg, second from seb's blue skill

[patent tree]

Which is why i pushed to the 50% mark so it wouldn't happen.

[dusky cove]

unless it is jhu or any similar hero

jhu delivers 3 hits in such case - initial physical dmg, second hit with his green and then following 3rd hit from seb's blue

[gloomy canopy]

I don't think Jhu tank is common tho

[gloomy canopy]

At max level Axel can protect from that, Jhu and Seb combined can only do 94.6% of health

[gloomy canopy]

Against maxed Axel tho he can't one shot, it's just not enough dmg from green skill

[orchid vigil]

phew, finally runaway princess cleared

[gloomy canopy]

Nice, how long have you been playing? And how strong is your team?

[orchid vigil]

2months now and now after update my team lvl is raising quite fast 😄

123 lvl at the moment

[orchid vigil]

was able to beat it with my 'main' team, well Asta is not used that much as Dante doing Dante stuff lol

[undone stirrup]

iris is so good ? worth ?

[orchid vigil]

I use her when attacking, not on defense

[undone stirrup]

i see

[gusty bone]

shes kind of broken

[undone stirrup]

yea iam building her

[undone stirrup]

like you said same as this team

[gusty bone]

all the super though campaign mobs become easy with her ult

some are immunr to it but few

[undone stirrup]

my dante right now

trying to make him to 1 shot enemies

[orchid vigil]

I believe also that when my hero lvls matches against those enemies helps quite a lot...

I mean runaway princess mobs were 122lvl...

[upper monolith]

My hero's.

[orchid vigil]

oh well, Into the abyss is now the next obstacle...

[next osprey]

what hero should i invest in

[native nexus]

Zorgymus#2877 has been warned

Reason: Mass emoji

[coarse thorn]

Your level?

[jovial smelt]

You forgot

[meager ether]

HAHAHA u chose all the not top tier heroes

[stone topaz]

can any1 tell me a way to complete endless abyss in chap 15 as i cant find the right team, faceless+ corny combo i have left long ago as it is not efficient and very time wasting so i chose seb instead of faceless, but now in wave 3 there are 2 healers so that is also not working

[gloomy turret]

i used martha seb dante jhu iris or seb martha neb jhu dante iris and main pet albus

also i hope you didn't set those patronages like that

[stone topaz]

no

[dusky cove]

both - dante and yasmine should be able to tank campaign at this point so you can replace astaroth with something more useful

probably iris - there is high chance it will work

[sly pendant]

i didn't get fast enough

[cloud zephyr]

would be great if Julius actually have nine lives, but he has lower health

[patent tree]

For now

[warm ibex]

I used Dante Nebula Faceless Martha Orion - it dealt enough damage that the priests couldn't quite keep up

[warm wolf]

9 lives cat

[stone topaz]

@warm ibex

What can i do to finish the small robots

[patent tree]

Aoe damage helps a lot. Arachne will stun them, alvanor shield will protect from them.

[warm wolf]

after the miniboss level 120 for Julius event, they became HARD to defeat. ANY GOOD suggestion?

[stone topaz]

i dont need none of that, i need a hero which can damage all at once

like dante, but i cant get past the first wave when i use him

[patent tree]

Aoe damage is "all at once" i was just saying that those other heroes help in their own way. Arachne does do aoe damage as well. Maya, keira, Larz, plenty of aoe heroes to pick from.

What is stopping you from getting past stage 1?

[stone topaz]

time

i cant defeat the healer

[patent tree]

Who is not dead at time end? Do you sub dante for jhu?

[stone topaz]

no

dante i swap with faceless for the extra energy

[patent tree]

I see. Healer is annoying. Most use faceless and Cornelius. I used Alvanor and Cornelius.

[stone topaz]

i am genuinly confused

[patent tree]

Try dante for jhu, jhu is dingle target, good against bosses.

[stone topaz]

i dont know what to do

i reached last stage with, dante, yas, corny, martha and seb

[patent tree]

So, Cornelius heavy wisdom hurts healer and faceless copy skill tripled that damage to kill healer quick.

Who survived the third stage when you lost?

[stone topaz]

everyone

[patent tree]

On enemy team?

[stone topaz]

no one, because my yas ulted on one of the healers but then both of them starting healing the one i hit

[patent tree]

How is your Biscuit ?

[stone topaz]

havent touched him

[patent tree]

Unfortunate, biscuit prevents heals. Celeste instead of Martha?

[stone topaz]

my celeste is also very underdeveloped

[patent tree]

Other option is to set it on the back burner and return with higher heroes. Many suggest doing that. If you continue to develop your heroes, eventually you will be able to get past the obstacles without investing in counters.

[thorny wasp]

anyone tell me why jhu always dies first in Champaign chapter 14

[jovial smelt]

You don't need him

[thorny wasp]

O i see….what would suggest

[jovial smelt]

Actually, you do need jhu in the last level

I was replying to another person

[thorny wasp]

Ok I see thanks

[patent tree]

Depending where jhu sits in your hero layout, he might be killed by those electrocuting robits. Moat monsters hit front line hero, but some have different targets in mind.

[thorny wasp]

still lots to learn I’ll keep trying

[jovial smelt]

Jhu is tanky enough

[patent tree]

Depends on the jhu.

[dusky cove]

and remember there are mobs with energy drain (= no ult and protections from death) and paralysis (= no ult and protections from death)

[gloomy canopy]

Just raid them

[spare minnow]

I finished The King today, so I'm Dante tanking the Collant to get more of it.

[warm wolf]

i dont have that function as a f2p.

[dusky cove]

this function doesn't require any spending

[warm wolf]

sometimes it will work, sometimes said it cost $...that's why i m confused

[spare minnow]

If you get Raid from Winterfest That is the only way with out spending anything

[warm wolf]

nice. but i DONT have that. 😅

[spare minnow]

Yea That happens Around Christmas, So you have another half to 3/4ths of a year left to go, lol

[patent tree]

It isn't a guarantee. And if you ask for cleaver or totem, you get those as priority. If i recall correctly.

[warm wolf]

hahaha...yup, i heard a lot of GOOD stuff u can get! but i joined March so...i will BE PATIENT.

[dusky cove]

there are no any "sometimes"...
event bosses fight never depends on cash

[warm wolf]

thanks, bro! wish i will be LUCKY THIS time!

[warm wolf]

hahaha. i m SUPER HAPPY. THIS time it works for FREE and i won!! thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🤩

[dim dove]

not "this" time. every time.
just pay attention, thats all u need to pay 😉

[warm wolf]

yes, i will PAY attention, but NOT pay $

[dim dove]

if u pay a lot of attention and a little $, u can get much further than with a lot of $ and no attention

at 15€ i do better than some at over 3000€ in my guild.

but some spending is needed unless u want to toture yourself in campaign missions - or camPAIN like i would call it then

[storm jackal]

the best to pay is for the valkyrie ever week 🙂 This is cheap and brings faster fights, and also a bonus for the duengon 🙂

[warm wolf]

thank u ALL for ur advice

[warm wolf]

to fulfill the "mission" task, is that mean i need to get a 3 star on a NEW campaign chapter?

[coarse thorn]

In my opinion only Vip 1 is mandatory to be able to play the game. Vip5 is probably the optimum LOW SPENDING goal, but without raid from vip1 (or Santa gift) you really cannot play this game long term, unless you don't want to stay 5-6 hours in a row playing manually the same mission when you have to use 500-1000 energy from the gifts

[warm wolf]

thank u. but i did not get the answer i need yet. for the Julius new task , "complete 5 missions", so i need to get a 3 star on the NEW campaign chapter that i have not complete yet, right?

[patent tree]

No.

[coarse thorn]

Nope. You don't need a new mission. You can 3 star an already 3 star done mission

[warm wolf]

oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my team is not strong enough yet so i can not move on 😭

[patent tree]

If you are unsure if an action will complete a season quest... Raid one time and check the season quest progression. Otherwise, you might waste your chance to complete it.

[dusky cove]

raid works for all campaign quests except "use marksman/tank/whatever" type quests

[lyric cliff]

Can't beat last level of chapter 9 at heroes lvl 65

[dim dove]

try again on monday

[lyric cliff]

ok

[stone topaz]

@dim dove

I require your assistance

firstly thank you for suggesting jhu as he has been overall great not just in campaign

[dim dove]

nice it worked for u 🙂
allways happy to help

[stone topaz]

secondly i have reached round 3 quite easily with dante, seb, yas, jhu ( not baby anymore), and martha with cain as pet

now i dont know how to finish it

my ults that are ready

whoever i make my yas ult on the healers will get to it so i dont know what play i should use

[dim dove]

well i wouldnt use cain there. bc u dont use faceless, just do auto from there, should work

if not, just keep growing (dante mostly i guess)

[stone topaz]

does the team look fine

[dim dove]

not sure if seb has enough shield to keep u active against the drill thing?
if yes, its fine. if not, better use faceless

[stone topaz]

yes it does

auto nearly worked

but i did auto for half the time

when the 2 big guys were killed

[dim dove]

with time it works lol

maybe slightly stronger than u are

[stone topaz]

hm it worked for you

@dim dove what did you do in the final level

like what was the pattern

[dim dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsNRO5CtCc

search hero wars seymour in youtubeand click the first video. thats the pattern 😉

[stone topaz]

bruh

seymour?

[dim dove]

the last level

?

[stone topaz]

no i meant last round lmao

my bad

[dim dove]

lol..

when i first did it, i did martha-faceless - auto; stop auto a second before faceless would ult, wait till martha is also full, then martha-faceless-auto
after that its done.
while auto is off, use 3,4,5 to ult the other three heros in front

[stone topaz]

i see

but how did you get enough damage done to everything

[dim dove]

with the redo now i just autoed it bc im overpowered by 1.5 years

[stone topaz]

if only i have ka'arkh this would have been wayy easier

[dim dove]

my karkh was much bigger than your dante, so that was no problem

nah not really and dante is WAY better in the important things of the game

[stone topaz]

i need like a hero who does damage to everything because dante is practically useless

[dim dove]

the first time u will grind for items here is maybe a year away, so u dont need anything at the moment

[stone topaz]

@dim dove i did it again with a new strat

My dante made the small robots very low hp

so the healers would go for the robots

and until then my yas would target the healers while jhu finished other enemies off

and my this strat made me the closest to winning as i killed both the healers and the other 2 enemies

[dim dove]

nice
how strong are your heros?

[stone topaz]

not that strong

[dim dove]

show me numbers 😉

[stone topaz]

my yas is 94k, my seb is 82k, my dante is 90k, my jhu is 23k and my martha is 85k

[dim dove]

85k martha, holy cow

[stone topaz]

decent health

[dim dove]

my martha was that big after aurora was maxed outside asgard

[stone topaz]

why are people suprised

when i tell them about my martha

[dim dove]

bc unless u shoot for lvl 150 naos its not needed and could even hurt u

[stone topaz]

wait so should i not upgrade my martha

dam, another one of my mistakes

[dim dove]

not until u beat seymour.

and also not until u start to try to beat naos - but might already be enough

i think my first win against lvl 150 naos was with a 90k martha

[stone topaz]

ok who is naos

[dim dove]

anything beyond that is only needed for lvl 160!! osh. but even there, 120k is enough

[stone topaz]

ohhhh

[dim dove]

asgard minion boss

[stone topaz]

yeah

i do pretty bad at that, i have no team made for asgard

i pay 0 attention to it

[dim dove]

https://www.hero-wars.com?replay_id=1682398842939106569

[dim dove]

then do not touch your martha for at least a year

[stone topaz]

istg this game is full of rng

[dim dove]

your team is full of rng

dodge is rng based

[stone topaz]

lmao yeah

[dim dove]

crit is rng based

the only hero u have with non of those is martha, but due to artefacts and cain she also has both

and even without those factors u have rng in the game

[stone topaz]

@dim dove 1 small robot left lol

[warm wolf]

what is rng?

[dusky cove]

random number generator - commonly used for any randomness in games

[warm wolf]

cool. so we can not predict that if we use the crit hit heroes, they will ALWAYS deliver crit hit?

[dusky cove]

they have crit hit chance stat which increase chance for critical, target hero has main stat which decrease chance

so it is always some % to score critical

[warm wolf]

i think ADD the STARS on their artifact will HELP , too, right?

[upper monolith]

@warm wolf Hi.

[dusky cove]

why are you so abusing capital letters? it is hard to read

[warm wolf]

hi

[warm wolf]

i just like to emphasize on the key point. NO harm intended.

[tight cipher]

You just like to be extremely annoying, we get it

[patent tree]

Teacher David uses voice to type and has a certain verbal inflection that causes the program to type in all caps. I have encountered this before. You get used to it.

[tight cipher]

Yeah i get used to it, now need discord to introduce feature that removes that

[warm wolf]

i m not.

thank u 4 ur understanding. @patent tree

[outer widget]

hi

[warm wolf]

hi

[outer widget]

help me this stage

[warm wolf]

sorry, i m NOT there yet

[outer widget]

bruhh i am poor

[dusky cove]

this chapter is end of easy killing enemies 20 or 30 levels higher than your heroes...

you need to upgrade them more

[warm wolf]

so u mean if the enemy is level 100, u need to be 120+ to win?

[outer widget]

my level 81

[patent tree]

This chapter has high defense. Pure damage is the best option here.

[warm wolf]

so choose all the pure damage heroes?

[dusky cove]

and enemies are 120...

[patent tree]

You will start facing insane single target channel healers.

[dusky cove]

just level up and upgrade your heroes...

[patent tree]

So even as you progress forward, you will get stuck on the steps. Everyone gets stuck on the steps.

[warm wolf]

wow, so u need MAX 130 to win that enemy of 120?

[outer widget]

my team

[patent tree]

No. But it certainly helps.

[warm wolf]

wow, u got a long way to go...so am i....i m about the SAME level as u

[outer widget]

:))

[warm wolf]

it's great that u can move on to ch 14 with that level...wow...amazing

[outer widget]

rufus can't counter celeste

damage so big

[patent tree]

Rufus can't be killed by celeste.

[dusky cove]

easily... celeste deals magic dmg only and rufus cannot be killed by magic or pure dmg

[warm wolf]

Cornelius can counter celeste

[patent tree]

But, who uses Cornelius?

[warm wolf]

hahaha...that's why i m slowly developing him

[patent tree]

Cornelius by the way, very helpful in campaign 14 and 15bto take out the healers

Oft paired with faceless to double up on heavy wisdom.

[warm wolf]

cool

[outer widget]

bruhh i not up him:))

[warm wolf]

happy 4 u

[outer widget]

:))

[dusky cove]

not worth investing though, especially now with increased gold and exp shortages

[patent tree]

Most of his power comes from skill level and not magic attack.same with faceless.

[warm wolf]

so who u will suggest?

[outer widget]

yes, i need very very much

[warm wolf]

also, u need Corn for ch. 14 and 15, right?

[patent tree]

That is what he was saying, he doesn't want to invest in Cornelius and faceless.

[outer widget]

i thing is lian bcs skill her can deal with long stun

[warm wolf]

i will invest in Corn only

[patent tree]

I have faceless at orange, was used with k'arkh briefly. But I didn't use him in campaign, instead relying on Alvanor skill spam to increase magic attack enough for Cornelius to one shot healer.

[outer widget]

sure

[outer widget]

I'm learning the skills of cornelius

[outer widget]

i can earn 1m gold 1 day

and buy exp potion if i can

i am up skill for cornelius

hope he will be helpful

[warm wolf]

cool

[gusty bone]

meh i finshed ch 14 without leveling cornelius

theres is no need to rush campaign anyweay .. will be stuck on elemntal asylum forever anyway if titans arent highly invested anyway

[warm wolf]

what is ur team for ch 14?

[gusty bone]

for the most part martha dante seb neb iris/jhu

[gusty bone]

and celeste ocasinoaly aidan

[warm wolf]

what level r u when u beat ch 14? thanks 4 ur help 💪

[gusty bone]

120 or so

[warm wolf]

got it. i still have alot to do...

[maiden onyx]

good team in chapter 14

[patent tree]

That was forever ago. 91?

[warm wolf]

thanks! i thought ALL heroes NEED to be at least level 120 to beat ch. 14. NOW i have MORE HOPE 🥰

[storm jackal]

better is level 130 🙂

[warm wolf]

of course.

[hasty isle]

what's best team to pass chapter 11?

[warm wolf]

i m not there yet

[tight cipher]

Your main team, there is nothing crazy in there, just level up your main team a bit

[brisk shell]

Hints for 12-15 Chapters try to focus on cornelius get him gold max skills mainly 1st 1

Do the same for jhu you wont regret it

[warm wolf]

great advice

[grizzled sphinx]

these days you don't need Cornelius for the campaign just work on Isaac for a little magic protection

[warm wolf]

wow...but i thought cornelius can kill the enemy in 1 shot?

[patent tree]

Yes and no

Cornelius hits hard with heavy wisdom. But Cornelius alone won't one shot.

Having faceless will duplicate the heavy wisdom and two shot a healer.

Or buffing Cornelius magic attack enough, he will be able to pull it off.

We're talking a lot of magic attack here.

[dark ibex]

who do i need for a stun team?

[dusky cove]

absolute star mara

[grizzled sphinx]

instead of buffing his MA a ton you would be better off increasing AP to keep his boulder's damage from being reduced as much

[gloomy turret]

violet+3 mara much much much more important that 6*

[dusky cove]

right - used wong wording... meant maxed, but stars are less mportant part of it

[patent tree]

That is probably a better idea in hindsight, but i didn't use armor penetration heroes, isaac, morrigane, astrid?

Mara will increase stun duration for patron hero only. Her damage ability hits everyone for double damage, but it isn't amazing damage.

[dusky cove]

but for stun team it is key to increase stun duration

[patent tree]

For one hero.

[dusky cove]

so? this one hero stuns whole enemy team

144.8% for 1 star, 160.9% 3 stars and 200% increase absolute star

[warm wolf]

i c...wow...seems like level up 1 hero is FASTER and MORE effective 💪

[warm wolf]

wow!!!

[dim dove]

corny is still a waste of ressources

[gloomy canopy]

Literally just upgrading to lvl 100, maxing first skill, maybe doing MA glyph... it's np and no investment and totally worth the priest kills

[dim dove]

why waste things on that glyph if u just could use jhu (whom u need anyway?)

i have good glyphs bc i dont do such useless BS

[gloomy canopy]

Yea but Jhu alone won't kill the priests

I main Jhu and that didn't happen until I got Jhu Neb Seb to work

[dim dove]

i dont main jhu.
i used a 19k jhu for endless abyss along my main team (removed the tank)

now hes over 100k

[gloomy canopy]

And he killed the priests all by himself?

[warm wolf]

thank u, u 2, for ur advice. i will TRY to use Jhu first and if i can not pass, i will upgrade my Corn

[dim dove]

ofc not
its all about team comp.
but he did what i needed
if u throw him in with a 100k+ karkh, nobodys doing anything alone

thing is, corni is useless outside campaign

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah true... but what did you need from him that he added?

[dim dove]

i dont believe in doing useless things

[gloomy canopy]

I'd say he's ok for dealing with Iris

[dim dove]

killing the priests.

[gloomy canopy]

He was actually able to do it? Wow

[dim dove]

he helped, made it possible in the end. but ofc didnt do it alone.

[warm wolf]

i also learned that strong Isaac can REPLACE Corn

[dim dove]

karkh stun with mara + jhu attacks 😉

[gloomy canopy]

?

[warm wolf]

i heard that, if u have strong isaac, u don't need corn anymore

[dusky cove]

if you hurt priests with jhu, they will heal themselves allowing to kill others... when they stay alone they die

also remember exp potion and gold required to upgrade this useless elsewhere corny is much harder to balnce now

[warm wolf]

so...ur advice is?

[gloomy canopy]

Idk if that's true in the context of healers... maybe magic mages but not pure mages or healers

[gloomy canopy]

Oh true

[warm wolf]

still don't understand 😅

[gloomy canopy]

People probably told you Isaac can replace Corny because Corny is good at taking out magic heroes with intelligence main stat but Isaac is better. However, pure heroes and healers also have intelligence as main stat but they don't get countered by Isaac. In campaign, the difficulty in later chapters is healing from these healers (and nobody else in campaign before this really gets heals, so it's quite difficult. The enemies also become much stronger). So Isaac can't deal with those like Cornelius can

[dusky cove]

isaac with good mara can silence them for long enough but it is very unlikely to have strong mara at this point

[warm wolf]

understand now. thanks, bro! 🤓

[dusky cove]

and without receiving magic dmg isaac is very slow

[warm wolf]

i will remember to add mara to isaac. thanks!

[past prawn]

yes 5 to 6 star is 10% more stats

[warm wolf]

that is why i think adding stars are MORE important than adding skills

[past prawn]

you get way more stats from item level ups

take 2000 SS could get alot more CP and get more stats anyways + it take 3 years to max stars the normal way + it take probly 15 to max your pets items

[warm wolf]

15 years for pet?

[past prawn]

for all pets

[warm wolf]

wow...at least NOW i can be MORE patient now...15 years...as a F2P

[dim dove]

if u play smart u can cut off maybe 3 months per pet, that adds up to over 2 years already

[inner stirrup]

do I need to add anyone else than Jhu to complete chapter 14? and a bunch of levels of course

heidi astaroth jurgen I dont build no more

and how strong Jhu would I need if my main team is around lvl 120?

[gusty bone]

with low jhu you wil be praying he survives on a back of him perma ulting or he will die super easy in 14

[dim dove]

i just used my main team until i finally got impatient in endless abyss at team level 129.. the plan was not to level anything extra before reaching lvl 130

then i did that with a baby jhu at level 92 or something

19k power i think

[patent tree]

Good thing about Jhu is, you will never be disappointed that you invested into him. Jhu complete me...

[gusty bone]

yah jhu is fine he makes my second team daamge dealer for ga with almost no power

[inner stirrup]

what skills does he need leveled?

and does he need arti weapon leveled to start dealing dmg

[dim dove]

i just used this in the middle of chapter 15

[dim dove]

no

[patent tree]

Artifact weapon improves crit hit, but it isn't the most important thing. Jhu second skill does a % of damage to the enemy.

It is capped though.

[dim dove]

first 3 are needed more or less

but if the rest is strong enough, non are essential for campaign

so the more patient u are, the less jhu u need

took me like 4 days to realize shes good, was already 2 days late to the party lol

[patent tree]

Physical damage will increase the cap... I had it invested previously before that nerf so I don't know how it works now.

[dim dove]

but only started using her once she got available in CoW last fall

[inner stirrup]

well I need Jhu for lol osh anyways, but only mini Jhu there will be good too

[patent tree]

Iris is good because she converts damage into pure damage. Pure damage doesn't have a defense stat.

[dim dove]

for lvl 130 u need a 90k health jhu, rest not really needed

[inner stirrup]

and his skills seem to scale much more from phys dmg than from level, so he just needs health and nebulas buff

bigger nebula is better for main team than spending gold on jhus skills

well his second skill has rather okay improvement with levels

[gloomy canopy]

I would spend on his ult regardless, speed is critical when the only limit to damage when you already survive is the timer

[gloomy canopy]

Green skill is also a bit of damage yeah

4.6% at max level not too bad but also not amazing because of the dmg cap

[inner stirrup]

and in this dante team he would just need armour pen and phys dmg glyphs

not significant crits so no point trying to boost them either, unless for some reason I'd need sebastian on campaign

[gloomy canopy]

This is a Dante team? Didn't realize

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah you want Seb in Campaign

[inner stirrup]

do I need him at the chapter 14 steps?

[gloomy canopy]

Only if his ult is close to the level of the enemies, but generally yeah he helps all phys DDs with crit and pure, also the energy drains won't affect you as much

In earlier chapters there are also those sea dragons that push you back and the ice heads that slow you down and the naked ice harp people that mind control you

You can usually beat those lower level though

[inner stirrup]

yeah i'm at the steps at lvl 98, easy to get here but getting nowhere from here 🙂

well I got here at like lvl 93

[gloomy canopy]

By the steps do you mean RP, PoM, HW, etc.

[inner stirrup]

yes

[gloomy canopy]

Dying or time out?

[inner stirrup]

I think both not dealing any dmg and dying

I'll just try them at like lvl 110 and see if I need Jhu.. will get Jhu now when the next event starts anyways

[gloomy canopy]

You use Dante right?

[inner stirrup]

yes I dante iris

[gloomy canopy]

Maybe invest in Fafnir to replace Iris in campaign just for the AP

What's your Dante's natural AP atm?

Armor is usually high in c14 and c15

[inner stirrup]

8,3k

[gloomy canopy]

That's kinda low

[inner stirrup]

only lvl 29 solar skin, been building it for a while now.. we have skin stone event next

[gloomy canopy]

Are you focusing on his PA or agility before AP?

AP is a big priority

[gloomy canopy]

Do you spend outland coins only on skin stone chests?

[inner stirrup]

ofc

[gloomy canopy]

Why so weak then lol

[inner stirrup]

high dodge

[gloomy canopy]

That's a mistake, no point dodging if you're not gonna do any damage

AP is highest priority by far

How's his AP glyph?

[inner stirrup]

maxed but will get to 50 as soon as I hit 100

and his dmg is fine until now, and he does really well in pvp which is priority anyways to have good daily income.. but starting to need more ap for pvp too so i've focused on solar skin for a while now

[gloomy canopy]

Ok well definitely you need to focus a bit more on the AP, that would help tremendously

[gloomy canopy]

The thing is he does fine until you face higher levels with upg armor like in c14, then you're screwed

[inner stirrup]

yep but also he's too low level for those nodes anyways, will be better even after a week of skin stone event. And when I have Jhu also I can use jhu nebula isaac dante, even though dante doesnt get nebula buff he will deal a lot when isaacs arti buff is on

i guess those things that are tanking there are soulless things.. so iris doesnt help there

imo iris should then target someone with a soul

[gloomy canopy]

Don't do Jhu Neb Isaac Dante, Isaac is useless there. Jhu is also maybe kinda too... I would recommend Dante Neb Seb Faf Martha with baby Corny and Faceless available

[inner stirrup]

well I'm building isaacs arti primarily for everything below orange so he will be useful there and osh

as dante no longer needs others than oranges

later when I stop building dante I'll invest into seb and jhu and then crit becomes more meaningful

ap is better for dante pve

my guild has too big players with trigger happy fingers so I'm often too late to get a chance vs low osh so will need that ap sooner than later for that too

lvl 125 osh already has 22k armor

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah but you should probably have 22k AP or so to match it

And you don't clearly

Also Isaac lol gives arti for AP so not a big deal

[gusty bone]

lvl 125 kinda hits hard lol

[inner stirrup]

well my team is good match for lvl 115 osh, as it has less than half of that armour

9.1k

[gusty bone]

i noticed there is crazy jump beetween 115 and 125

[inner stirrup]

but if I use isaacs arti at like lvl 50 which will debuff armour by 9k then dante will do fine vs 125 osh too, and will probably need isaacs defense to stay alive vs 125 anyways

but i'll probably build a small lol osh team in the next month anyways, as I'm getting Jhu and ranking up seb and isaac a little

[gloomy canopy]

How's 125 to 130?

[inner stirrup]

https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Guild/Asgard/Guild_Raid/Osh_the_Eternal_Keeper#190

[gusty bone]

i dont know, i am on 4months odl seerver my guild can faceroll 115 but we cant do 125

[inner stirrup]

2.4m power for 115, 5.7m for 125, 10,4 for 130

so quite big jumps

and armour goes from 7k to 22k to 40k

[gusty bone]

my dante has 24k armor pen but it wil probably die without high rufus in front

[gloomy canopy]

Oh damn pretty big jump from 125 to 130 too

[inner stirrup]

yes double armour

[gloomy canopy]

Just invest in OSH or smth

[inner stirrup]

yes for later you cant get past that armour so need pure dmg

[gusty bone]

i have osh, i am tlaking about secondary osh team

i mean my isaaac is too low for 125

so not yet

[torn parcel]

Expensive to build two Osh teams

Build one to max first

[gusty bone]

yah i will not do that ~~

but than my dante is useles for 125 osh

[inner stirrup]

well maybe not max, he could use corvus for some pvp scenarios too so building a secondary team with osh in mind would work too

[gloomy canopy]

It's ofc possible to get past armor, just build Isaac arti weapon. And you need the phys to be high or else the pure will be low. But the pure damage is most of the damage anyway so whatever

[inner stirrup]

a corvus team can do 10m vs bigger osh too

[gusty bone]

the shperes on 125 hit bit too hard

[gloomy canopy]

Isn't it like 4k dmg only?

[gusty bone]

it melts 30k isaac, dante will not stand eiter xD

[inner stirrup]

yes lol osh team doesnt deal pure dmg either unless they go past the armour.. or well jhu does pure but sebastian needs the crits to happen and pure dmg doesnt crit

[gloomy canopy]

30k kinda weak lol

[gloomy canopy]

I don't get your point

[gusty bone]

yah but isaac is supposed to stand magic damage ;p and dante ... ytou know is fragile too it ;p

[inner stirrup]

well whats a typical lol osh team a player fighting 125 osh would have?

in power..

30k jhu, 50k seb 60k isaac?

[gusty bone]

i dont know yet but 40k isaac is must or will die midietly xd

[gloomy canopy]

My Isaac was good at 40k

I invested his health heavily tho

My Jhu was already like 100k probably, Seb 70k maybe? I forget

Neb and Martha probably both around 60k

[gusty bone]

that doesnt give shperes info

[inner stirrup]

yeah arti weapon and health is all he'll be getting from me too

hoping we get great storm soon so I can build up oliver and albus to blue

[gloomy canopy]

I would invest PA/agi because right now he does enough magic dmg absorption and he doesn't die but he also fails to kill all defense spheres on 130 which is no bueno and I get a few nightmares sometimes. Now he's 50k (55k maybe with patron)

[inner stirrup]

will probably build up axel to blue +2 in the meantime, as cain is already violet

you have only 50k isaac?

[gloomy canopy]

Don't build multiple blues, just go to violet one at a time

[gloomy canopy]

Yea lol I don't invest him that heavily. He has 250k health tho which is def not bad for such low power

[inner stirrup]

ofc i'll build multiple blues when we get great storm

[lament ivy]

how to beat the chapter 8 boss i failed many times

[inner stirrup]

as I can just buy the stones from there

for good price instead of expensive chests

[gloomy canopy]

I said don't build multiple

[gloomy canopy]

Brute force it lol

[torn parcel]

Patience... Build your team stronger and you will beat that boss in no time

[gloomy canopy]

Bruh no what no

[lament ivy]

i use a balance team to have many

[gloomy canopy]

You mean like spread investment?

[inner stirrup]

yes bro

[gloomy canopy]

No you'll get the stones from adv or CP anyway... you need to use GS to get CP ofc

[lament ivy]

i use martha, elmir, thea, astaroth, helios and my pet is oliver

[inner stirrup]

I dont need violet axel anytime soon, so oliver and albus blue first to be able to use their patron

[gloomy canopy]

Bruhhh 💀

[inner stirrup]

elmir ❤️

[torn parcel]

Drop thea and add a real damage dealer like Dante

[lament ivy]

ok

[gloomy canopy]

You can choose not to get Axel to violet but get Oliver to violet first or Albus to violet first. Don't do two blues at the same time for patronage, that sucks

[gloomy canopy]

Drop Elmir and Helios too lol

[torn parcel]

Starting off small lol

[inner stirrup]

meh you do realise that blue is like 3 days compared to 2 months violet?

[gloomy canopy]

🤡

[gloomy canopy]

Do you realize that blue gives like no stats and violet adds a whole extra skill?

[inner stirrup]

yes and getting that violet 3 days earlier doesnt make much of a deal, some extra stats is good anyways

720 armour from blue axel at low levle isnt completely meaningless either

dunno how much hp is it from blue oliver at around lvl 80.. probably few k

[gloomy canopy]

You can do what you want but the skill is like infinitely better than the stats

[inner stirrup]

ofc it is but violet is long time effort

but wait for next great storm is longer

so getting 2 to blue is good in between the events

as then can get the other of those to violet and start building the next towards that

without spending cubes on stones

[gusty bone]

prety sure next great storm is gona be in 2 weeks

not officialy but patterns looks its gona be

[inner stirrup]

yeah and its been like a week I've had violet

so 3 weeks I need to wait without building pets items

getting cp from the chests is really bad rate to then buy stones with them..

[gloomy canopy]

Violet is an effort but like everything else in HW spread investment is bad

One violet much better than two blues

[inner stirrup]

its not spread investment

[lament ivy]

should i invest in magic denfense

[inner stirrup]

its wise investment, instead of buying stones for cp

[gloomy canopy]

Ofc it is, you're spreading across two pets instead of one

[gloomy canopy]

Stones for luck or CP is much better bc luck is bound to happen anyway

[gloomy canopy]

Armor first probably, then MD, then hp

[lament ivy]

ok

[inner stirrup]

no we dont get stones for luck as we dont do adventure 1 or 2 anymore

and its not worth it to go there

[gloomy canopy]

Oh bruh those cost like nothing

Definitely buying for CP is best

[inner stirrup]

yes like nothing at the storm event

1000 coins I think

or get a chest for same amount for chance to get 25 cp

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah but at the storm event opening 5 at a time you can get around 2k CP easily... so worth it

[inner stirrup]

meh the page doesnt work https://hero-wars.fandom.com/wiki/Special_Events/The_Great_Storm#Storm_Legacy

a storm legacy chest has on average 18 cp, and it costs 750 coins

assuming one opens 100 storm legacy they get ~1800 cp

the small stones cost 1250, and they are worth 70 cp

price for cp is 18 coins each for stones compared to 41 when buying storm legacy chests

so the stones are a lot better investment if you no longer raid the small adventures

[gloomy canopy]

That's not actually that accurate

[inner stirrup]

https://h-w.fun/en/storm-legacy/ data from here

[gloomy canopy]

A lot of people open like 100 at a time and get these results, which is fine but it doesn't factor in the dupe rates

[inner stirrup]

that factors in that

see expected value

[gloomy canopy]

If you open in lower increments, then you get higher dupe rates

[gloomy canopy]

And it mentions increments?

[inner stirrup]

I know its a little better to open 5 at a time

rather than 100 at a time at first

but it wont get to 2,5x

[gloomy canopy]

In my experience, 1 chests usually yields around 33 CP

[inner stirrup]

well.. the chests dont only give us cp

[gloomy canopy]

Because 60 chests ends up at 2000 CP

So 1 chest is around 33 CP

[inner stirrup]

we get about 4200 potions which is nothing and 66 eggs from the 100 on avg

[gloomy canopy]

Ofc that's a lot of RNG too but it's fairly consistent

[inner stirrup]

but 8.8mil gold is the good prize there

[gloomy canopy]

🤣

[inner stirrup]

with cp

4200 pet potions is nothing but 9mil gold is useful

[gloomy canopy]

Yea well based on my experience, the best way to get small stones is to buy with CP, esp from GS bc the CP value is so good

[inner stirrup]

well a few stones and then rest on storm legacy just like I did before.. But a little more on stones now than before 😛

as my albus and oliver are liek this:

Well I could go back to building axel after oliver is violet though...

if I only buy olivers stones now

maybe i'll try the storm legacy chests first.. if 60 chests give me 2000 cp then i'll buy more of them instead of stones

[gusty bone]

60 cchest wl not give you 2000 cp

unles you have absurd luck

[inner stirrup]

as getting 33 cp and 88k gold per chest isnt too bad

well thats what Naughty claimed

[gusty bone]

meh i opened like 55 last time and got bettwen 600 to 1000

[gloomy canopy]

Oh wow very low lol

[gusty bone]

2000 is totaly unrealistic

[gloomy canopy]

It did for me

[gusty bone]

and avarage opeing of 50 chest is abouit 600

absurd luck than

[gloomy canopy]

Dupe rates are better 5 at a time I'm telling you

Lowest I get from 60 was 1425 CP

[inner stirrup]

yes 5 at a time is good for dolls and chests

[inner stirrup]

average for 100 is 1783

[gloomy canopy]

No way lol, 100 is def 2-3k range

Maybe my luck is just godly bruh

[inner stirrup]

well thats the data

but thats the data for buying the 100 at once I guess..

so it will likely be over 2000 for opening 5 at a time

blue albus as team pet is probably useful for osh fights though, so I'll stick to the plan of making first blue oliver and albus and then violet oliver

[gloomy canopy]

You just want green skill high for Albus when team pet

If you can hit good crits with Seb pure, you're gold for Albus charging

[inner stirrup]

though tbh grey albus is a lot of work to get to blue ;P

[gloomy canopy]

Only 3 ranks

And they're pretty cheap

[inner stirrup]

my oliver is green +1 atleast

will need oliver for isaac sooner than I need albus, not sure if I need olivers violet skill so soon yet though

blue lvl 80 oliver should be like 15k health for patron

not totally useless I guess

okay I'll just build olvier to violet and buy lots of storm legacy from the next event, you convinced me (its the gold I want really :D)

[gloomy canopy]

Ollie violet skill is OP, would recommend 10/10

[gloomy canopy]

Violet 3 stars level 100 was 26k health so maybe rethink that

4 stars is 30k health now I think

[inner stirrup]

and green 2 star says like 7k at lvl 61

so should be around 15-20k at blue 80

7,4k

as I still have axel to build also I dont have trouble waiting for third great storm event for albus

[gloomy canopy]

That doesn't sound right, no way

[inner stirrup]

well it is

oh sorry 3 star

[gloomy canopy]

How is that even possible? G1 doesn't have patronage ss

And by ss I just mean stones

[inner stirrup]

but yeah he seems pretty powerful as patron, didnt think he is that strong

oh he can patron iris

so I have use for him at main team too

[gloomy canopy]

For sure, his violet skill is OP but he only gives 100k health at max level so honestly not a ton

[gloomy canopy]

Yea if you don't want your Iris dying

[inner stirrup]

yeah if theres kayla I would use axel on martha and oliver on iris

[gloomy canopy]

Maybe Axel on Dorian and Ollie on Iris ngl

Martha will probably just die

[inner stirrup]

well usually marth lives with axel

but iris dies

oh btw its not the armour that the drommer warriors have the issue, they only have like 3.3k at the lvl 121

[gloomy canopy]

Really? I feel like it gets more later then

[inner stirrup]

its their agility

[gloomy canopy]

Agility gives armor

[inner stirrup]

no str I mean, main stat anyways

6890

it means my dodge chance is pretty low before my arti buff kicks in

[gloomy canopy]

Oh

[gloomy canopy]

I thought you said you had high dodge since your AP was so low

[inner stirrup]

if its equal to dodge value then dodge chance is 50%

yes I have high dodge compared to many dantes with higher power too

but they have really high main stat

thats why everyone struggles vs them

[gloomy canopy]

Your Dante only has 7k dodge?

[serene mica]

when is summerfest i need chaos particles

[gloomy canopy]

Not really, most ~100k heroes have 10k+ main stat

[gloomy canopy]

Wish for Great Storm then, sf is in June or July

[inner stirrup]

well 100k heroes are like lvl 120 thing..

not lvl 95 thing

and 100k dantes have usually below 3k dodge unbuffed, arti giving 5k

[serene mica]

@gloomy canopy thank you for telling me

[gusty bone]

arti gives almist 9k

[gloomy canopy]

100k Dante better have maxed arti weapon bruh

[inner stirrup]

yes at rank 6

[gloomy canopy]

And what 100k Dante has only 3k dodge lol

[gusty bone]

if you have 100k dante you better have it maxed lol

[inner stirrup]

well a f2p player with 100k dante might not have it maxed, as they dont have the coins to get the ranks

or cores either

but yeah, it gives more than 5k for 100k dante

[gloomy canopy]

Ofc they would, they concentrate investment

[gusty bone]

coins should get via certs

if not they screwed up

[gloomy canopy]

Pretty sure I had maxed Jhu arti at 100k but who knows maybe not

[gloomy canopy]

I def remember getting Neb ss for a solid while

But I still got the arti maxed by or around then

Wait actually I remember now, I maxed Jhu arti weapon right before 100k (around 90k). I was wondering if it would push me over but it didn't, around 95k then

[inner stirrup]

i'm vip5 and I concentrate investment 100% on dante and I have 5k dodge from arti at 60k power, so yeah probably I will have it maxed by around 80k power

[gloomy canopy]

VIP 5 gross

[inner stirrup]

I just need some more coins

[gloomy canopy]

VIP 69420 is the way

[serene mica]

@gloomy canopy can i send you a friend request pls

[inner stirrup]

it gives 5154 dodge.. anyways i've seen a bunch of ppl with 100k dantes post their stats and they have about 2500 dodge or less

unbuffed

[gusty bone]

mine 7k

[inner stirrup]

got dodge skin?

[gusty bone]

nope, just maxed glyph

[inner stirrup]

nah its not the glyph, its your items

[gusty bone]

bit into ascnesion

[inner stirrup]

but its not 100k dante

[gloomy canopy]

Sure but why?

[inner stirrup]

if its 7k dodge, more like 120-140k?

[gloomy canopy]

That's just bad investmnet

[inner stirrup]

nah its just that items before orange dont give dodge

[gloomy canopy]

Ofc it's glyph, that matters a lot

[gloomy canopy]

The items after Orange give like 5 dodge bro

[gusty bone]

glyph is 2k on its own if its 2500 dodge its wrong

items ascnesion etc

[inner stirrup]

1120 for lvl 40 glyph, how much for lvl 50? at what level is 60 max?

[gusty bone]

1950

[serene mica]

who thinks ziri is the worst tank she just shelters and leaves heroes behind her to die

[gloomy canopy]

Luther or Galabad probably worst tank, Ziri at least has most hp in the game

[gusty bone]

orange is just level 80 what do you mean

[gloomy canopy]

Bruh

[inner stirrup]

I mean you probably talking about 150k dante now

with red+7

[gusty bone]

what

[inner stirrup]

and your items and ascension giving you that 5k dodge

ontop of that 2k from glyhp

[gusty bone]

nah i have 110k red dante

[gloomy canopy]

Bro stop getting mad someone's Dante is better than yours 🤣

[inner stirrup]

lol

[gloomy canopy]

Ascension yea, arti book yea, items no probably not

[serene mica]

bruh galahad top damage

[inner stirrup]

arti book too yeah, lvl 91 with 4 star already gives 1,2k so 6 star probably around 4k

[inner stirrup]

1244 from items at red

assuming already built the cane at red level

[gusty bone]

i wonder myslef where 7k is coming from 🤣 but 3k is way too low

[inner stirrup]

anyways if 110k power dante has 7k dodge and the drommer warriors at lvl 121 already have 7k main stat, it means 110k dante wont struggle vs them much as they only hit every other hit until dante gets his ult and second skill in and they will miss like 80-90%

but 60k dantes will struggle really bad no matter what they built

[gusty bone]

well rthey couod ahve dodge skin insteas solar/winter/agility skin like mine

i am built for damage

[inner stirrup]

if they have maxed dodge skin they are like 80k

so anyways.. more levels so higher glyphs and dodge book will take care of it

[gusty bone]

oh i comepltyl forgot about book 🤣

[inner stirrup]

how much does your book give you? must be around 4-5k

[inner stirrup]

and weapon?

[gusty bone]

weapon isnt revelant since its not base stat

but its 9k

[gloomy canopy]

Look at your asc and arti book

[gusty bone]

ascnesion 660

rest must be in canes/thevies guild signets

[gloomy canopy]

8988 yeah?

[gloomy canopy]

Damn lol items be bussin

[inner stirrup]

its 1244 from canes and signets

funny how using multiple cane they can dodge more hits and be more agile 😉

[gusty bone]

5k from book + glyph 600 ascnesion 1200 items thats over 6k

i mean STAFf is agility iterm in this game

and not inteligence one ..

100k dante and 2500 dodge seems completly wrong

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah fr

[inner stirrup]

yeah they were probably around 60-80k without dodge skin, i remember wrong

[tight cipher]

i have 2,5k on 50k dante

[inner stirrup]

artifacts are pretty damn powerful when max rank

[inner stirrup]

how far are you at the campaign btw?

[gusty bone]

chapter 15 elemental aslum

[inner stirrup]

getting to lvl 100 will make my dante so much stronger with 700 extra dodge from glyph and must be a lot of AP more too

3360 from lvl 40 glyph

must be like 5k from lvl 50

[dim dove]

good news for u 😉

[serene mica]

all you need is vip 10 because you can get everything with it

[inner stirrup]

no, for vip5 you get everything you need

after that its just making the numbers smaller or bigger

no difference in gaming experience

[dim dove]

more just gives it to u faster.
but to me, vip5 also made the biggest difference. thats why i stoped there

[inner stirrup]

if you dont understand that and refrain from buying more you should train your fortitude

[serene mica]

@inner stirrup you can get 2 lesser hero soul stone chests a month thats equivilant to 1 large hero soul stone chest

[inner stirrup]

who gives a poop though?

you can get them from playing

[gusty bone]

its 10 reallyy for calendar, extra expedition more gold in tower

[dim dove]

have u ever heard of marginal utility? 😉

[gusty bone]

yah 5 is critical

[inner stirrup]

buying more than vip 5 is just weakness of mind.. for lower or bigger number

[gusty bone]

but 10 is stil beneficial

[inner stirrup]

its beneficial yes but doesnt make game any better like vip5 does

[dim dove]

thing is, higher vip makes a bigger difference in the beginning

[inner stirrup]

I dont want to compete with how much I am willing to dump at the game.. its a silly competition.. stay away from that

[dim dove]

at my point, there is not much value added from higher vip..
while in early game, getting double soul boxes is great.

but to get there early, u would have to buy things at bad rates

[gusty bone]

i mean nature seaosn is a lot of VIP points and you cant just grind totems

[inner stirrup]

yeah well getting strong totems just makes your game more of a burden and you know that..

let whales play that game

[serene mica]

i have been playing hero wars for 3 years

[inner stirrup]

who wants to be a bridge opener?

[gusty bone]

lol you need titans for other spots not just bridge

[inner stirrup]

yes but you are just giving in to the competition of spending

do you want to get into that competition?

[gusty bone]

competetion of spending rotfl

[inner stirrup]

you compete with others on how much money you are willing to spend

you dont have to

its not a great game, not getting many hormones for your brain to feel good

that is why you play

[gusty bone]

i dont know what nonsese you are talking about right now

[inner stirrup]

its not nonsense, you play because it produces hormones in your brain that sometimes make you feel good

you buy some things also for same reason, people do online shopping for items they dont need because their brain produces more hormones when they get that satisfaction

[serene mica]

i changed my username

[spice rapids]

impressively small for a +3

[inner stirrup]

now show how he does vs osh

I guess your guild has lvl 160 osh up now so pretty hard to test though 🙂

[serene mica]

my best battle

[inner stirrup]

he's not too far from my other servers Jhu at lvl 69

[spice rapids]

best one ever?

[inner stirrup]

well that team vs 125 is pretty rough

[spice rapids]

thats fair actually

i didnt look at level of osh

[serene mica]

@spice rapids my best battle this week

[inner stirrup]

yasmine would do a lot more with jhu seb team though, if you dont have lol osh team

but I guess it would be hard to keep so tiny jhu alive too

[serene mica]

no extra skins only default

[inner stirrup]

Lol yasmine osh without nebula on my baby acc

[serene mica]

what is the best event

[inner stirrup]

lol I was actually looking at the page wrong.. the drommer warrios have 20k str and 10k armor at that node

no wonder they seem to be hittin all the time even when arti buff is on..

for some reason they jump like 2,5x stronger in power from 121 to 122 lvl..

[dim dove]

elon musk likes this

[inner stirrup]

this is the way.. damn they should make a mandalorian game like this

[inner stirrup]

actually I tried it again now, dying is the problem.. shamans at the second stage did so much dmg I had no way of outhealing it even with celeste martha

20k+ intelligence and 70k magic attack on those shamans

warriors got 20k+ str and 52k phys attack

wtf the next node has even crazier drilling installations.. I aint touching dat shiz

[patent tree]

Galahad probably not the best tank for this fight.

I still hold that Alvanor is best tank, but I can understand why that is not for everyone.

Pure damage is your friend in this chapter. iris does a lot of damage.

Iris doesn't even need to be big.

[warm wolf]

but don't u think ziri hides in the ground gain energy but DOES NOTHING to help her team

[warm wolf]

what ch. r u talking about for using Alvanor?

[patent tree]

Chapter 14 and 15, Alvanor does wonderfully.

[warm wolf]

got it. hopefully i have the resource 2 upgrade alvanor...i dont even have him yet

[patent tree]

Don't bother if you don't have him invested already.

No sense building someone you will only use for this chapter of your life.

[warm wolf]

then WHO can i use? Aurora is my main

[gloomy canopy]

Time for Cornelius brotha

[gloomy canopy]

Yeah but when she isn't hiding she's a mid tank, her focus of hatred and whatever is not bad

[inner stirrup]

nah, he wouldnt ult fast enough there

just need more levels

and its not only the shamans, its the warriors too

high int and high str, dodge not very effective there.. they dont have armour penetration though so normal tank would work

[patent tree]

Ziri used to be considered the Pvp Tank when I started.

[gloomy canopy]

If you're using Axel team pet I think he can

[gloomy canopy]

Interesting times 🤣

[warm wolf]

i m working on it

[gloomy turret]

magic power.......

clearly visible

[inner stirrup]

Well I have just 60k Dante and rest of the team are like 15-30k, they don't have much total health yet either.. Concentrated resources... Just need levels really now

[gloomy canopy]

I see, so you're really relying on dodge here but it's not enough

[gloomy turret]

didn't expect this kind of damage from Juh

[inner stirrup]

yes I'm just too small for that.. the opponents suddenly get a lot bigger at that step

[inner stirrup]

lol nice for 12k jhu

[gusty bone]

thanks

[patent tree]

You were expecting more?

[serene mica]

can we all agree jhu is overpowered

[gusty bone]

in pve

in pvp he lacks burst against martha and martha is everywhere

[dim dove]

in lategame gold league martha wont be that present

bc there people come to terms with other useful combinations

but thats not relevant during the first year

maybe takes even longer on new servers nowadays bc biggest players will go south for CoW/asgard success on older servers

[gusty bone]

4 healers no martha 😄 :D\

[dim dove]

well

lots of money and no brain cell active to coordinate 😂

[gusty bone]

not really

on defense its hard to kill

[dim dove]

for now

[gusty bone]

many guilds had broken their teeths to beat this ;p

[dim dove]

later its all easy, just throw iris at it

[gusty bone]

i know i knoiw

dante iris can do it

[dim dove]

almost every DPS with iris as a converter

[gusty bone]

that guy has red dante too 🙂

though its a bit rarity faired team

its al red but nit high power but i wil not complainb since some guilds on our godl league cant touch this so they cant grab our foundry

[serene mica]

@everyone anyone online

[tight cipher]

Lmao

[serene mica]

whats your fav hero wars youtuber

should i make a youtube channel yes or no

[tight cipher]

idk why are you asking us

if you want to make yt channel you do that

[serene mica]

ok

@everyone i created a youtube channel

[left spire]

You're late to the game I believe.
And if you think you can @everyone, then you're clearly not socially adept enough to be successful. 😅

[spare minnow]

@everyone pings no one.

@Shruikan pings no one,

[patent tree]

@here is the key. Party up in this channel.

[serene mica]

@spare minnow can you please subscribe to my youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsDB3VLLVEevL_1sJjnhpJg 😀

[spare minnow]

I will if you subscribe to mine, https://youtu.be/26KoRpjWAlc

[gloomy canopy]

I one shot Martha, heavily disagree

[gusty bone]

good to know, not what iwas seeing

[gloomy canopy]

Try Jhu + Seb

[gusty bone]

i know

i do use that in GA a lot

[gloomy canopy]

🐮 or GW? In GW shouldn't you just use your main team?

[gusty bone]

but my guidl mate who mains jhu is doing crap in guild wars

[gloomy canopy]

What's the team 💀

[gusty bone]

i emant gha

[gloomy canopy]

Oh GA not GW or 🐮

[gusty bone]

i told him to make asta seb neb jhu martha
but he iant there yet ~~ he joined with crap
atm he has galahad jhu keira seb thea

[gloomy canopy]

You can't call that a Jhu team, it's disrespectful

[gusty bone]

well he has 87k jhu ;p

are you strugiling with yas ? because in Ga i found i have no way to hit yas ;p

[gloomy canopy]

I try not to attack dodge teams just because I don't want to lose

I have an easier time beating Dante tho actually

[gusty bone]

ah so i was right

[gloomy canopy]

Because when Jhu vs. Dante 1v1 (assuming Jhu has ult) then he can immortal himself

But when fighting Yas she paralyzes and ult is wasted without getting another ult

[gusty bone]

i can time out on yas using osh team ~~

[gloomy canopy]

I don't do that, one of us dies

Either I kill them or I die

My highest Dante with Cain killed atm is 142k with 6.7k Cain patronage

Highest Yas with Cain idk but probably around 120k

[inner stirrup]

how big galahad already? No point replacing galahad there with asta as galahad will also deal pretty good dmg with such a team

if asta is not built at all I mean..

[gusty bone]

hm 40k only not big deal to drop i guess

[inner stirrup]

ah yea

but I wouldnt also build asta there anyways

corvus seb neb jhu martha

[gusty bone]

i dont know if he has corvus

ugm 85k was old pic, looked recent 99k jhu now hmm

that should murder poeple

[inner stirrup]

I dont think galahad is so bad but if he has 40k galahad his Jhu will be doing most of the tanking :p

[gloomy canopy]

Based on the rest of the team I would think they probably forgor 💀 to invest AP

[inner stirrup]

I mean with seb and jhu galahad will also deal some dmg

[gloomy canopy]

There is definitely a point in replacing Galabad there... we have a reason for mocking him ruthlessly

[inner stirrup]

yes but with asta?

[gloomy canopy]

No with Aurora or Rufus lol

Asta is still better than Galabad tho

And Keira + Thea... bruh

No Neb to help Jhu with his 0 PA anyway

[inner stirrup]

yes martha and neb are more important to get there

[gloomy canopy]

But the tank should also be replaced pretty quickly

[inner stirrup]

but also no AP on that team

there is a lot of physical attack on that team if all the artifacts are built but no ap

unless big keira with winter skin

[gusty bone]

hmm have to recheck there how he is doing but had poor results in the past

[inner stirrup]

but then it would be only keira doing the dmg anyways

[gusty bone]

nah keira is like 60k

[gloomy canopy]

Jhu has substantial enough AP (same as Dante), but his PA is trash

For example my Jhu is ~115k or smth, his str is 11k+. His PA is barely 38k

If he were agi, the PA would be around 22k more

[gusty bone]

;p ;p